OMG I RAN OFF A CENSUS PERSON

[xTruthSeekerx]

No, but WE do.

 

WORD
dont tread on me f**kers

[Georgiacopguy]

This might work better than that helmet...I'm jus' sayin'...http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/security/a0f3/

[Orgetorix]

Does anyone know what information we're legally required to give under the Constitution?

You're only Constitutionally required to answer how many people live in the dwelling. Just that one number, nothing more.

[centexan]

Excellent.  The GPS stuff is way over the top.

The link below is to a 750kb .pdf government document.  I saved it to my hard drive (right click + save as), so I can review it before the jackals come around.

http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/Questions_Planned_for_the_2010_Census_and_American_Community_Survey.pdf

The pdf gives the year each question was added to the census, and the original (1790) look pretty reasonable, but after that it starts becoming pretty intrusive.  What I did last time was fill out a few questions and then dealt with the minions they sent out to follow up.  I answered nothing additional and lectured them.  They hated it.  This time, with the internet, I'll be able to back up my lecture with print outs.

[Monkeypox]

You're only Constitutionally required to answer how many people live in the dwelling. Just that one number, nothing more.

Do you know exactly where that can found? 

I'd like to have it ready when they come...

 

[xTruthSeekerx]

Do you know exactly where that can found? 

I'd like to have it ready when they come...

 

[chrsswtzr]

Good for you man 

You did the right thing.

[centexan]

"Representation and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers ... . The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."

-- Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution of the United States

Constitution ratified in 1789, first census in 1790.  A simple head count and maybe in 1790 sex and race (for purposes of assigning reps), but since women got the vote and slavery ended, there's no reason for those questions now--not to apportion representatives.  They justify a lot of the questions on the grounds of taxation.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html

[SimpleMan]

You're only Constitutionally required to answer how many people live in the dwelling. Just that one number, nothing more.

Has anyone got away with this in the past?

[trailhound]

You're only Constitutionally required to answer how many people live in the dwelling. Just that one number, nothing more.

Has anyone got away with this in the past?

Last time they came to my place i had a rowdy crew over and the windows were open. I opened the door and he looked terrified and a bit shaken,not sure what he overheard us talking about Before i even said anything he said all i need to know is how many people live here and we can skip the rest

[Orgetorix]

Has anyone got away with this in the past?

Alex Talked about it in detail last week or the week before. He "got away" with it in the 2000 census. You're not really getting away with anything, just staying within the law.

[lord edward coke]

Census Refusal Penalty Now Up to $5000
Posted by Eric Garris on February 10, 2010 03:05 PM
In my article posted on LRC yesterday (Tuesday), I stated that the maximum fine for census refusal was $100.

I wrote this article ten years ago and checked the code before it was reposted. Title 13, United States Code 221 still states that the maximum fine is $100. This section of the code is still on the books.

However, Title 18 U.S.C. Section 3571 and Section 3559 state that the fine for anyone over 18 years old who refuses or willfully neglects to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by census takers from a fine of not more than $100 to not more than $5,000.

But, Section 3571 states that The $5,000.00 fine referenced in section 3571 is a post conviction fine that only applies to an individual who has been charged and convicted of a criminal infraction as defined in section 3559. Unless an individual has been charged and convicted of some criminal offense connected to the Census and the crime is classified as an infraction, this $5,000.00 fine does not apply.

I apologize that this was not updated and hope that no one gets in trouble as a result.

Robert Greenslade has posted an excellent summary of details of the census laws and his opinions on the Constitutional principles regarding them.

I still plan to resist the census, invoking the 5th Amendment if all else fails. This doormat may help break the ice.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/50072.html

[SHTFMilitia.com]

I wonder why they knock, do they need the homeowners persmission??

No just the REACTION, to mark you violent or not.

[lord edward coke]

I will just throw out the pieces to discuss. And this is probably worth its own thread about the OMB# for authority on the 1040 Form.

Authority is a mental thing, and once constructed it can be enforced. In complicated legal terms it is called Notice. Here is how the Census does it.
http://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B1EaV_bU7VImOWNmMWZhMjktN2JjOC00MzVjLWE5OGYtY2ZjZWM3Nzk0MjA5&hl=en

They inform people correctly that the Form must have a valid OMB# in order to have any enforcement authority. And they put what looks like a valid OMB# on the front of the form, at the bottom.

That is enough of a mental construction for most of the masses. Ergo they will volunteer/consent (endorse) a prosecution or just pay up the fine if called on incomplete or false information. Far more will simply comply, whether they want to or not.

The website for the Office of Budget and Management (OMB) would of course be the place to validate its numbers, on its search engine. But we found that there is no valid OMB# there. And we also found that the OMB# on the 1040 form is found there. Interesting.

Nikki Quatloser parroted a link to the GSA, where they have a record of the application for that number, and record of all the information submitted for that application. But that is not a valid OMB#, that is the application for validation. So we should look at the difference between these two OMB#s:

0607-0919-C Census Form
1545-0075 1040 Tax Return Form

To be enforcible information collection the Notice has to be positively pronounced in law. That is done through the Federal Register. That is what the Federal Register is for - public notice. Delegations of Authority are published in the Federal Register. Here is the Delegation of Authority for the Income Tax Form 1040.
 http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/aprqtr/pdf/27cfr70.96.pdf

That BATF Delegation of Authority covers Title 26 IRC activities that involve alcohol, tobacco and firearms. However, there is no such Delegation of Authority published in CFR 26 for Notice of authority related to what most Americans refer to as Income. Being paid for things that are not related to BATF activity!

And there is nothing but an application with the GSA and it is no wonder that the OMB website shows nothing for the Census and shows something, however misdirecting when you call up the 1040 Form OMB#.

[duckandcover]

Why don't they just use those special satelites that they have to spy into our homes and see for themselves who's in there? They already can smell what you farted for dinner so why bother paying census drones to do all that walking?