Just ran off a census taker

[Anti Federalist]

Had a women come to the door, passing out a flyer stating that the census form would be arriving at some point in the future.

She was also noting the house location in a hand held GPS unit.

A brief hostile conversation (hostile on my part anyway) ensued, where I made clear that the Constitution allows for no more data collection other than number of voting age people in the house for purposes of apportionment.

Then I told her to leave.

So, there it is, confirmed, the census taker are entering your property's GPS co-ordinates into a database.

And yet, right on the form that was given to me, it makes it very clear that any information that could identify you or your household is punishable by fines or prison.

[Anti Federalist]

[heavyhebrew]

Man, you need to be more inventive. Answer her questions with questions. And lie when they ask you questions.

A good rule for when dealing with government information gathering is to ALWAYS lie. Never tell them the truth because the government will always use the truth against you.

Man, you could have asked her about the GPS unit she used and asked how often it uploaded and then done something along the lines of..."so it doesn't update until you are back to the office? So, like, no one knows you are here...interesting...". You could have taken the little information flier she handed you and burned it in front of her. Know foreign language? Good, then answer her questions in another language!
Grab a camera and take photos, follow the census takers back to their vehicle and take pictures of it too.

Visits like this should not be viewed as an annoyance but as opportunity. Opportunity to have fun at a tools experience.

[Please Wake Up!]

She was also noting the house location in a hand held GPS unit.

Same thing just happened to me.  Census information plus noting address in GPS unit.  I wonder if we are neighbors 

(the individual was male for me though).

[Anti Federalist]

Maybe.

You in NH?

[rawiron1]

I think he should have put his Glock to her head and asked her to leave nicely.   

Jason

[shirteesdotnet]

Man, you need to be more inventive. Answer her questions with questions. And lie when they ask you questions.

A good rule for when dealing with government information gathering is to ALWAYS lie. Never tell them the truth because the government will always use the truth against you.

Man, you could have asked her about the GPS unit she used and asked how often it uploaded and then done something along the lines of..."so it doesn't update until you are back to the office? So, like, no one knows you are here...interesting...". You could have taken the little information flier she handed you and burned it in front of her. Know foreign language? Good, then answer her questions in another language!
Grab a camera and take photos, follow the census takers back to their vehicle and take pictures of it too.

Visits like this should not be viewed as an annoyance but as opportunity. Opportunity to have fun at a tools experience.

I totally agree with this. When my dad grew up in Poland during WWII thats exactly what he was doing in the underground army. Nazi's were locking up Jewish people left and right while a whole underground army formed of Poles that banded together. My dads role as an 8 year old was to deliver notes between apartments and houses, but even from city to city. He was also gathering info for the underground army where checkpoints were and so on. He was shot twice near the end of the war when he couldnt weasel his way out of a situation with some guards, but was still able to escape. My dad has said many times that the underground armies role was mostly to survive, not rise up and get killed off. Just to survive until the war was over.

[donnay]

Man, you need to be more inventive. Answer her questions with questions. And lie when they ask you questions.

A good rule for when dealing with government information gathering is to ALWAYS lie. Never tell them the truth because the government will always use the truth against you.

Man, you could have asked her about the GPS unit she used and asked how often it uploaded and then done something along the lines of..."so it doesn't update until you are back to the office? So, like, no one knows you are here...interesting...". You could have taken the little information flier she handed you and burned it in front of her. Know foreign language? Good, then answer her questions in another language!
Grab a camera and take photos, follow the census takers back to their vehicle and take pictures of it too.

Visits like this should not be viewed as an annoyance but as opportunity. Opportunity to have fun at a tools experience.

I like the way you think! 

[shirteesdotnet]

So these surveys are going around during the day? Since i'm not home, what do they do? Just GPS map my house? Why do they even bother anymore... they have all of our info elsewhere.

[donnay]

So these surveys are going around during the day? Since i'm not home, what do they do? Just GPS map my house? Why do they even bother anymore... they have all of our info elsewhere.

I am not sure if they are doing it all over the country during the day.  The census taking said the reason she is plotting our address is because there has been a housing boom and lots of homes are not in the system--or something to that regard. 

As a side note: about twenty minutes before this census person came to our door, a helicopter flew over our property pretty low.

I rather much liked being an unperson.  I do not volunteer much information and this pisses me off a great deal.

[scoffer]

Census takers are working on an operation called Address Listing. The purpose of the operation is to make sure that the decennial census questionaires get to the right locations (via US Mail or hand delivered) in 2010. BTW there will be only short forms in 2010.

[thadividedsky]

If I get one, I will use it as toilet paper.

[shirteesdotnet]

# The census is a count of everyone living in the United States every 10 years.
# The census is mandated by the U.S. Constitution.
# The next census is in 2010.
# Your participation in the census is required by law.
# It takes less than 10 minutes to complete.
# Federal law protects the personal information you share during the census.
# Census data are used to distribute Congressional seats to states, to make decisions about what community services to provide, and to distribute $300 billion in federal funds to local, state and tribal governments each year.

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What is "the United States Code"? Ive never heard of it actually. Is it law? WTF.

Census Law and Fines
The following section of the United States Code requires that people fill out their U.S. Census forms and provides a $100 penalty for not answering the Census and up to $500 for giving false information.

13 USC Sec. 221
TITLE 13 - CENSUS

CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES

SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS

Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.

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"Participating in the census is in the individuals' own self interest. People who answer the census help their communities obtain federal and state funding and valuable information for planning schools, hospitals, roads, and more. For example, census information helps decision makers understand which neighborhoods need new schools and which ones need greater services for the elderly. But they will not be able to tell what your neighborhood needs if you do not fill out your census form."

[donnay]

"Participating in the census is in the individuals' own self interest. People who answer the census help their communities obtain federal and state funding and valuable information for planning schools, hospitals, roads, and more. For example, census information helps decision makers understand which neighborhoods need new schools and which ones need greater services for the elderly. But they will not be able to tell what your neighborhood needs if you do not fill out your census form."

I do not want federal funds or state funding so can I opt-out?

http://www.census.gov/population/www/censusdata/apportionment/history.html

"The primary reason for the establishment of the decennial census of population is set forth in Article 1, Section 2, of the Constitution. The Constitution provides for an enumeration of the population to serve as the basis for the apportionment of members of the U.S. House of Representatives among the states, with the provision that each state must have at least one representative. An apportionment has been made on the basis of each census from 1790 to 1990, except following the census of 1920.

Calculation of a Congressional apportionment requires three factors--the apportionment population of each state, the number of representatives to be allocated among the states, and a method to use for the calculation." <---Period.

[Please Wake Up!]

Maybe.

You in NH?

Yup.  Southern. 

[scoffer]

I do not want federal funds or state funding so can I opt-out?

http://www.census.gov/population/www/censusdata/apportionment/history.html

"The primary reason for the establishment of the decennial census of population is set forth in Article 1, Section 2, of the Constitution. The Constitution provides for an enumeration of the population to serve as the basis for the apportionment of members of the U.S. House of Representatives among the states, with the provision that each state must have at least one representative. An apportionment has been made on the basis of each census from 1790 to 1990, except following the census of 1920.

Calculation of a Congressional apportionment requires three factors--the apportionment population of each state, the number of representatives to be allocated among the states, and a method to use for the calculation." <---Period.

FACT: No one has ever been fined for refusing to answer.

[shirteesdotnet]

How do we know thats fact? But we could be fined if we put Homer Simpson as the occupant?

[Mike Philbin]

Fhht fhht fhht.

[Parentsfortruth]

Fhht fhht fhht.

Rofl.

[scoffer]

Good point, I can't prove it, yet that is my understanding. As far as misrepresenting information, it happens, again it is my understanding that there have been no fines in association with this.

[agentbluescreen]

All this Title 13 $100 fine crap was well and good until they instituted the unconstitutional unapportioned federal income tax ! 

All the census does now is identify non-Federal Reserve enslaved "non-taxpayers" since the entire remainder of the information this wastefully duplicitous obsolete old agency collects over again is already ALL on file at the unconstitutional IRS.

Now if we could get back to some Constitutional Law and Order maybe we could increase the fines!

[JonTheSavage]

HA, According to that paper, you could have had her arrested for carrying the GPS locator.

I will do that if I see one.

[JBS]

I can't help but believe the "census takers" are doing more than just counting heads. Everything the govt says is a lie these days.

[Elvis]

A census of 16,000+ Cherokee residing in Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and North Carolina who were to be removed to Oklahoma under the Treaty of New Echota. Also called the Trail of Tears Roll.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~itcherok/genealogy/rolls-census.htm

[Size10]

US Census GPS in Neighborhoods Now
Monday April 6, 2009



The US Census Bureau is required to assess the nation's population and demographics every 10 years, and the next census will take place in 2010. In preparation for the census, 140,000 address canvassers or "listers" have begun fanning out across their assigned regions to update and verify addresses. The listers verify existing addresses, add new addresses, and document dwellings that might include multiple residents. This year, for the first time, canvassers are equipped with a handheld computer that includes built-in GPS. The GPS (shown in photo) was custom-designed for the census by the Harris Company, and built by HTC. Originally intended for the main census, it appears that use of the handheld computer/GPS will be limited only to this year's listing phase, due to training and technical constraints.

http://gps.about.com/b/2009/04/06/us-census-gps-in-neighborhoods-now.htm

[nedc]

I can't believe no one has said it yet.....


"A Census Taker once tried to test me...…I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti."


Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Size10]

[shirteesdotnet]

The GPS (shown in photo) was custom-designed for the census by the Harris Company, and built by HTC.

Im surprised Diebold didnt build these things.

[Anti Federalist]

I can't believe no one has said it yet.....


"A Census Taker once tried to test me...…I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti."


Sorry, couldn't resist.

That or:

"You men from the bank? My daddy said shoot whomsoever servin' papers...I nicked the census man!"

[Anti Federalist]

Hand made sign put up by a NC patriot:

[xTruthSeekerx]

imprisonment

[Anti Federalist]

imprisonment

Yeah, I know...not my sign.

[Mike Philbin]

I can't believe no one has said it yet.....
"A Census Taker once tried to test me...…I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti."

This is the problem with denial - we don't even see the truth when it's staring us in the face - go back seven posts and read my "title", and my "fhht fhht fhht". He's before his time, that lad.

[Monkeypox]

imprisonment

That's the problem, it makes the owner look like a moron. 

I always say, if you're gonna take the time to make a sign, make sure everything is spelled correctly.

[PMF]

On My website (a New Jersey Waterfowl Hunting Forums) I started a topic on the GPS insure. Before I submit my reply does anyone have a good response to add on what a member posted below incase theres something IM not thinking of (over looking).
I hate when people use that tin foil hat crap!

you guys need to put the tin foil back in the kitchen cabinet......
They always have an early workforce to start the mapping and preliminary work before the actual count starts...
I worked the 2000 census as a crew leader out of the Vineland office. One of my people called me out to a house because the owner was concerned that she was paying taxes to Cumberland County and she felt she was a Salem county resident.
It took me a day to go over the maps and previous census records, but she was right - legally she was in Salem County..... so were about six of the neighboring houses.
They immediately found themselves in a lower tax rate.... 
Ther were several glitches like that just in south jersey.... folks paying taxes to the wrong township, etc.... they discussed using gps in 2000 to help straighten out the old maps.

[donnay]

you guys need to put the tin foil back in the kitchen cabinet......
They always have an early workforce to start the mapping and preliminary work before the actual count starts...
I worked the 2000 census as a crew leader out of the Vineland office. One of my people called me out to a house because the owner was concerned that she was paying taxes to Cumberland County and she felt she was a Salem county resident.
It took me a day to go over the maps and previous census records, but she was right - legally she was in Salem County..... so were about six of the neighboring houses.
They immediately found themselves in a lower tax rate....
Ther were several glitches like that just in south jersey.... folks paying taxes to the wrong township, etc.... they discussed using gps in 2000 to help straighten out the old maps.

It's easier to be in denial about the encroachments of government that is why so many people immediately start out with the "tin-foil hat conspiracy" crap to try and sound like they actually know something when it appears they haven't a clue or they are purposeful disinformation to quell any dissent. The U.S. Census Bureau has NOTHING to do with property of any kind, whatsoever!  The town/city tax assessor job does that not the U.S. Census Bureau. Here is what the Census Bureau was set up to do:

http://www.census.gov/population/www/censusdata/apportionment/history.html

"The primary reason for the establishment of the decennial census of population is set forth in Article 1, Section 2, of the Constitution. The Constitution provides for an enumeration of the population to serve as the basis for the apportionment of members of the U.S. House of Representatives among the states, with the provision that each state must have at least one representative. An apportionment has been made on the basis of each census from 1790 to 1990, except following the census of 1920.

Calculation of a Congressional apportionment requires three factors--the apportionment population of each state, the number of representatives to be allocated among the states, and a method to use for the calculation." <---Period.

[PMF]

It's easier to be in denial about the encroachments of government that is why so many people immediately start out with the "tin-foil hat conspiracy" crap to try and sound like they actually know something when it appears they haven't a clue or they are purposeful disinformation to quell any dissent. The U.S. Census Bureau has NOTHING to do with property of any kind, whatsoever!  The town/city tax assessor job does that not the U.S. Census Bureau. Here is what the Census Bureau was set up to do:

http://www.census.gov/population/www/censusdata/apportionment/history.html

"The primary reason for the establishment of the decennial census of population is set forth in Article 1, Section 2, of the Constitution. The Constitution provides for an enumeration of the population to serve as the basis for the apportionment of members of the U.S. House of Representatives among the states, with the provision that each state must have at least one representative. An apportionment has been made on the basis of each census from 1790 to 1990, except following the census of 1920.

Calculation of a Congressional apportionment requires three factors--the apportionment population of each state, the number of representatives to be allocated among the states, and a method to use for the calculation." <---Period.

Thanks donnay

I will also add....
That since he worked for the Census back in 2000 he also broke the law since some where along the line he had to disclose infomation related to the tax issure, as per the flyer that Anti Federalist posted.......

All U.S Census Bureau employes have taken an oath and are subject to a jail term, a fine, or both if they disclose ANY infomation that could identify you or your household. Your answers will only be used for statistical purposes, and no other purpose.

[donnay]

Thanks donnay

I will also add....
That since he worked for the Census back in 2000 he also broke the law since some where along the line he had to disclose infomation related to the tax issure, as per the flyer that Anti Federalist posted.......

No problem it is my pleasure to point out who the real tin-foil hatters are.    I would be interested in the response you get when you point out that he/she has broken the law.    Keep us posted!

[PMF]

No problem it is my pleasure to point out who the real tin-foil hatters are.    I would be interested in the response you get when you point out that he/she has broken the law.    Keep us posted!

Will Do! 

[heavyhebrew]

So let me summarize for myself here. Taking a GPS lock while preparing for the Census constitutes a violation of law?

Oh man, you guys are great! And I risk a $500 fine for falsely supplying information? Even better.

This Census is going to be the best!