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Author Topic: YES WE CAN! Ron Paul's H.R.1207 has 302 cosponsors / 30 cosponsors in Senate  (Read 112533 times)
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« Reply #120 on: May 09, 2009, 08:22:19 AM »

I think bernake is ready for this if this happens, and you can see form the time ron paul asked him this week, he is reayd for it.

They will get round this if this happens, by maybe just giving out onl little pieces of info, ron paul knew by his answer that they are ready for this.
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« Reply #121 on: May 09, 2009, 10:23:11 AM »

HR 1207 Now Up To 143 co-sponsors!
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« Reply #122 on: May 09, 2009, 02:12:48 PM »

HR 1207 Now Up To 143 co-sponsors!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/90775

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« Reply #123 on: May 09, 2009, 03:40:23 PM »

UPDATE: Found 4 new co-sponsors: (I see 147 now)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15095120/HR-1207-Federal-Reserve-Transparency-Act-of-2009-Cosponsors-147-as-of-5809

1) Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN)
2) Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY)
3) Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA)
4) Rep. Charles Wilson (D-OH)
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« Reply #124 on: May 09, 2009, 04:22:31 PM »

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« Reply #125 on: May 09, 2009, 04:25:51 PM »

how many more sponsors do we need?
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« Reply #126 on: May 09, 2009, 06:02:12 PM »



Do you know who the 148th person is? I saw that link, but it only said 148, but not the additional names. So I'm going based on what I could find!
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« Reply #127 on: May 09, 2009, 06:03:37 PM »

how many more sponsors do we need?

The more we have in favor of HR 1207 who serve on the House Financial Services Committee, the better. If we have the majority, then it is more likely to get through that Committee.

Everyone needs to contact their REP, if their name is not on the main list of co-sponsors in the doc below. Focus particularly on the Reps on the House Financial Services Committee also provided in doc below. That's where the power is now. The doc has a link to tell you how to do this. It's simple. Just takes a few minutes of your time.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15095120/HR-1207-Federal-Reserve-Transparency-Act-of-2009-Cosponsors-147-as-of-5809
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« Reply #128 on: May 09, 2009, 08:36:31 PM »

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

At the top of the page currently there is a video that is an interview of the Feds Inspector General and she is a complete Um....um.....uh....its not our  uhhh job to uuuhhh....look at the banks...uuuhhhh...can you repeat the question?

You gotta check it out, she is a total dear in the headlights

I downloaded the video, I don't think it is on whoyoutube in case they move the video in the next few days.  Its title is  "is anyone minding the Store"
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« Reply #129 on: May 10, 2009, 07:59:37 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8

Unreal.

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He got none of his questions answered.
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« Reply #130 on: May 10, 2009, 08:38:19 AM »

I wonder how many people she has put on the hot seat and lorded it over!

Payback time! Cheesy
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« Reply #131 on: May 10, 2009, 09:16:32 AM »

This video is typical of how the Bankers and their gatekeepers give testimony in Congressional hearings. They hedge, they lie, they withhold, they use talking points, they say it's an "ongoing investigation" or "it's a matter of national security",  and basically say nothing the whole time they're testifying. This is the way a gatekeeper works.

These Congressional Hearings do nothing. This Congress needs to start with subpoenas and get these people under oath and start slamming the book at some of these people whereby they can no longer use their tactics to lie and withhold information.

This constant parading of these pack of liars before Congress is a waste of time. They will never tell you the truth until they are feeling threatened legally themselves, and they have something to lose. It's time to turn the heat up, and get these idiots under oath and under some kind of conviction that makes them know it's serious and they best start telling the truth.


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« Reply #132 on: May 10, 2009, 10:23:04 AM »

This constant parading of these pack of liars before Congress is a waste of time. They will never tell you the truth until they are feeling threatened legally themselves, and they have something to lose. It's time to turn the heat up

Agreed, but that won't happen until and unless "we the people" turn the heat up on Congress, and not just by insisting that they launch a criminal investigation of the banking elite, but by demanding -- not requesting, demanding -- that they immediately put these parasitic bankers out of business by instituting a debt-free money system.

And that won't happen until and unless the American people tell all of the establishment shills and intellectual gatekeepers in the corporate whore "news" media to f**k off and die instead of sheepishly allowing these shills and gatekeepers to go on enslaving their minds within the ridiculously narrow and self-defeating confines of the phony left-right paradigm.
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« Reply #133 on: May 11, 2009, 10:46:22 AM »

I just thought of something... what if this bill actually passes and then obama vetoed it.  Angry

I hope that doesn't happen but since Obama is a banker pawn I woulden't be suprised if it did...
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« Reply #134 on: May 11, 2009, 11:16:53 AM »

I just thought of something... what if this bill actually passes and then obama vetoed it.  Angry

I hope that doesn't happen but since Obama is a banker pawn I woulden't be suprised if it did...

Congress can override Obama's veto.  With a 3/4 of each house. 
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« Reply #135 on: May 11, 2009, 11:21:25 AM »

Congress can override Obama's veto.  With a 3/4 of each house. 

Lets just hope the Dems don't just blindly support their president.
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« Reply #136 on: May 11, 2009, 11:26:43 AM »

I called Congressman Brad Sherman's office today and asked why his name isn't on the co-sponsor list of HR 1207?

I told his asst "If he saw the urgency in going to the House floor and telling the public that Congress was threatened with martial law if they didn't pass the bailout bill, he should have been the first to support this legislation. Please tell him we think his name should be added to this co-sponsor list."
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« Reply #137 on: May 11, 2009, 11:27:59 AM »

I just thought of something... what if this bill actually passes and then obama vetoed it.  Angry

I hope that doesn't happen but since Obama is a banker pawn I woulden't be suprised if it did...

If he does, it will just clarify who OBAMA REALLY WORKS FOR. It will OUT Obama even more, that he works for the Bankers.
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« Reply #138 on: May 11, 2009, 04:03:27 PM »


The FED, mumbo jumbo. Not one strait answer.

They are spitting in the eye of congress and the Citizenry.
I know they are crooks, as we all do, but their act, their freak show, is so obvious they would have more credibitlity if they just came out and said, HEY America, all you FN peonic morons, we just FK you inside out, and guess what shiiteheads we are going to get away with it.

30,000 for every man woman and child in this nation, where is it- they don't know so they say. They lent it??? But they don't know who they lent it to!!!

I would have more respect for these worms if they stood on their table and gave us their middle finger. WHY, it would be the truth.

Does Obama seemed worried, not realy, his concern for the citizens of this nation is on display. 

Will H.R 1207 get to the floor???********** GO RON, GO.
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« Reply #139 on: May 11, 2009, 04:41:54 PM »

Tell all your representatives that America's only central bank has never been audited in its life.

Tell them that they refused to tell where they had spent trillions of dollars of taxpayer money.

Then explain that it's because they are a private company above federal regulation.

Then let's watch as the FED COLLAPSES!
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« Reply #140 on: May 12, 2009, 01:24:12 AM »

how many do we need for it to pass?
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« Reply #141 on: May 12, 2009, 08:00:30 AM »

I just thought of something... what if this bill actually passes and then obama vetoed it.  Angry

I hope that doesn't happen but since Obama is a banker pawn I woulden't be suprised if it did...

I think he would attempt to veto the bill, but such a frontal assult would be difficult to spin.

They must have some plan !
 
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« Reply #142 on: May 12, 2009, 09:19:51 AM »

I think he would attempt to veto the bill, but such a frontal assult would be difficult to spin.

They must have some plan!

It's very possibly a public relations plan to discredit the "end-the-Fed" movement by saying:

    "See? It's just like we've been saying all along: the bulk of the interest income received by the Fed was, indeed, turned over to the Treasury. So these 'conspiracy theorists' have been making much ado about nothing."

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=99120.msg588051#msg588051

I could be wrong, but I strongly suspect that an embarrassing percentage of said movement is unaware of the fact that the bulk of the U.S. money supply isn't even created by the Fed, but by commercial banks, and that it is these banks that reap by far the greatest profit from the current debt-based money system. You won't find what's on their books by looking at the Fed's books, and I'm sure the establishment knows this.

That's why I'm semi-convinced that countless well-meaning reformers are unwittingly allowing themselves to be led to the tip of the wrong iceberg.

In a sense, it's as though we're so busy playing checkers, that we've become oblivious to the fact our opponent (the banker-owned political establishment) is playing chess.
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« Reply #143 on: May 12, 2009, 09:35:15 AM »

how many do we need for it to pass?

The House has 435 members, so 218 to pass a vote if it needs a simple majority.
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« Reply #144 on: May 12, 2009, 10:09:45 AM »

UPDATE: I count 152 co-sponsors (Thomas page now says 149, but Open Congress gives 3 more names so 152)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15095120/HR-1207-Federal-Reserve-Transparency-Act-of-2009-Cosponsors-152-as-of-5809
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« Reply #145 on: May 12, 2009, 10:50:38 AM »

I find it hard to believe that there are 152 members that haven't been corrupted... so I agree with the poster that said they've figured out a way to get around this or use it to their advantage.
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« Reply #146 on: May 12, 2009, 10:55:07 AM »

IMO, Appearance is everything! This is about putting the Federal Reserve in the SPOTLIGHT and educating the people about what they're really up to. We have to take this step by step, just like the Elite do. It's also a way to see which Congressmen will support this and commit to vote for the bill, and who won't. Then when the vote is taken, you can compare the lists and see who reniged, or pretended to support it.

I'm tired of lying Congressmen, and with this bill, we're going to find out who is WEAK and who is STRONG and sincere. Wait and see! Time for Congress to anti up, or they will take the fall at election time.

Hey, if they can use mental gymnastics on us, we will do the same to them and root them out as we do so.

You want to play games with us Congress? Then the game is on! We've had enough! You are either FOR WE THE PEOPLE or you are for THE BANKERS! Which is it?

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« Reply #147 on: May 12, 2009, 11:12:53 AM »

To understand how urgent this matter is, please review the current US Code concerning the auditing of the Private Federal Reserve:
[Items in blue color are added with the Bill that Dr. Paul has introduced. Items with a line through them are removed with the Bill that Dr. Paul has introduced.]

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US CODE TITLE 31 Section 714

Audit of Financial Institutions Examination Council, Federal Reserve Board, Federal reserve banks, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, and Office of Comptroller of the Currency

(a) In this section, “agency” means the Financial Institutions Examination Council, the Federal Reserve Board, Federal reserve banks, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, and the Office of Thrift Supervision.

(b) Under regulations of the Comptroller General, the Comptroller General shall audit an agency., but may carry out an onsite examination of an open insured bank or bank holding company only if the appropriate agency has consented in writing. Audits of the Federal Reserve Board and Federal reserve banks may not include—
(1) transactions for or with a foreign central bank, government of a foreign country, or nonprivate international financing organization;
(2) deliberations, decisions, or actions on monetary policy matters, including discount window operations, reserves of member banks, securities credit, interest on deposits, and open market operations;
(3) transactions made under the direction of the Federal Open Market Committee; or
(4) a part of a discussion or communication among or between members of the Board of Governors and officers and employees of the Federal Reserve System related to clauses (1)–(3) of this subsection.


(c)
(1) Except as provided in this subsection, an officer or employee of the Government Accountability Office may not disclose information identifying an open bank, an open bank holding company, or a customer of an open or closed bank or bank holding company. The Comptroller General may disclose information related to the affairs of a closed bank or closed bank holding company identifying a customer of the closed bank or closed bank holding company only if the Comptroller General believes the customer had a controlling influence in the management of the closed bank or closed bank holding company or was related to or affiliated with a person or group having a controlling influence.
(2) An officer or employee of the Office may discuss a customer, bank, or bank holding company with an official of an agency and may report an apparent criminal violation to an appropriate law enforcement authority of the United States Government or a State.
(3) This subsection does not authorize an officer or employee of an agency to withhold information from a committee of Congress authorized to have the information.

(d)
(1) To carry out this section, all records and property of or used by an agency, including samples of reports of examinations of a bank or bank holding company the Comptroller General considers statistically meaningful and workpapers and correspondence related to the reports shall be made available to the Comptroller General. The Comptroller General shall give an agency a current list of officers and employees to whom, with proper identification, records and property may be made available, and who may make notes or copies necessary to carry out an audit.
(2) The Comptroller General shall prevent unauthorized access to records or property of or used by an agency that the Comptroller General obtains during an audit.

(e) AUDIT AND REPORT OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The audit of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal reserve banks under subsection (b) shall be completed before the end of 2010.
(2) REPORT.—
(A) REQUIRED.—A report on the audit referred to in paragraph (1) shall be submitted by the Comptroller General to the Congress before the end of the 90-day period beginning on the date on which such audit is completed and made available to the Speaker of the House, the majority and minority leaders of the House of Representatives, the majority and minority leaders of the Senate, the Chairman and Ranking Member of the committee and each sub-committee of jurisdiction in the House of Representatives and the Senate, and any other Member of Congress who requests it.
(B) CONTENTS.—The report under subparagraph (A) shall include a detailed description of the findings and conclusion of the Comptroller General with respect to the audit that is the subject of the report, together with such recommendations for legislative or administrative action as the Comptroller General may determine to be appropriate.


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So as of right now any so called audit of the Private Federal Reserve is extremely limited and adds up to nothing more than BS.  This is the majority of the section of the US Code that Dr. Paul's Bill will abolish...

Audits of the Federal Reserve Board and Federal reserve banks may not include—
(1) transactions for or with a foreign central bank, government of a foreign country, or nonprivate international financing organization;
(2) deliberations, decisions, or actions on monetary policy matters, including discount window operations, reserves of member banks, securities credit, interest on deposits, and open market operations;
(3) transactions made under the direction of the Federal Open Market Committee; or
(4) a part of a discussion or communication among or between members of the Board of Governors and officers and employees of the Federal Reserve System related to clauses (1)–(3) of this subsection.


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In addition, the wording introduced in new sub-section (e) makes the audit a true audit with timelines and full disclosure. If you just show people the wording in red, it is overly obvious that the entire Private Federal Reserve system is a Ponzi scheme set up by the international banking elite.

YES WE CAN AUDIT THE PRIVATE FEDERAL RESERVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #148 on: May 12, 2009, 11:20:57 AM »

I find it hard to believe that there are 152 members that haven't been corrupted... so I agree with the poster that said they've figured out a way to get around this or use it to their advantage.

Read the bill, it cannot be denied. There is no way around it.  152 members of congress can no longer blatantly lie to the American people when the text of the current code shows an obvious Ponzi scheme set up by the International Banking Cartel. They have just stolen over $13 Trillion in less than 8 months. The Queen of England has been caught red handed using the World Health Organization as a system to exterminate over 2 Billion people from the planet. Bank of America has been caught red handed in conspiring to attack the United States with nuclear weapons.

How much more real does it get? Just because 152 members of cngress are not "above corruptability" has no bearing on whether 152 members of congress are ready to say "2+2=apple" or "I do not mind if 1/3 of the planet is genocided in Bilderberg Viruses".

This is not a black and white issue and I do not find it that hard to belive that over 200 million American Patriots are finally making a difference in the halls of congress. They know that if they do not take this issue seriously then Congress itself is proven to be just another part of the RICO violations conspiracy that is already being exposed via various grand jury planned inquiries.

Nancy Pelosi s exposed.

Many government officials have also been exposed by Sibel Edmonds reports.

Their house of cards is coming down quicker than if it was laced with nano thermite particles and they know it.
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« Reply #149 on: May 12, 2009, 11:41:23 AM »

My reps already signed on as co-sponsors (there is hope!).  So I cannot harrass anyone but my friends and relative to make calls.  Smiley 

Thanks Sane for posting that above.  Although there is a lot of lawyerspeak, it is a crack in the facade'.  I am glad to see you back Sane.

I think the lot of them (Fed)need to be imprisoned.  The audit should include EVERY check written and the receivers of said checks be audited too.

I am amazed that these illegalities have gone so far already.

Are we still at 152?

 
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« Reply #150 on: May 12, 2009, 11:41:49 AM »

Sane, I added this to my scribd document to explain to people why this bill is important! GREAT WORK!

UPDATE: I count 152 co-sponsors (Thomas page now says 149, but Open Congress gives 3 more names so 152)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15095120/HR-1207-Federal-Reserve-Transparency-Act-of-2009-Cosponsors-152-as-of-5809


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« Reply #151 on: May 12, 2009, 11:50:07 AM »

Sane, I added this to my scribd document to explain to people why this bill is important! GREAT WORK!

UPDATE: I count 152 co-sponsors (Thomas page now says 149, but Open Congress gives 3 more names so 152)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15095120/HR-1207-Federal-Reserve-Transparency-Act-of-2009-Cosponsors-152-as-of-5809




Awesome!

Make sure people read the current code, no wonder they are not hesitating to change it.  The current code is a road map to the NWO Kings and Queens.  Whoever it says you cannot audit is an obvious traitor to the American People.  How can you "not audit" over $13 Trillion dollars but the IRS can audit someone making $24,000 a year?  It is so fricking ridiculous, the current code needs to be exposed by everyone.  It is pretty damning shit and I was laughing to prevent from crying at how apparent it is.  Dr. Paul is like a sniper who chose his target very carefully and after the $trillions have already been exposed to be going to the primary people protected by this code.  It is (as a treasonous CIA director would call it) a SLAM DUNK! And I though Dr. Paul was short, he must get some awesome hang time.
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« Reply #152 on: May 12, 2009, 11:52:32 AM »

Sane, I added this to my scribd document to explain to people why this bill is important! GREAT WORK!

UPDATE:
I count 152 co-sponsors
Thomas page now says 149,
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Open Congress gives 3 more names so
152

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15095120/HR-1207-Federal-Reserve-Transparency-Act-of-2009-Cosponsors-152-as-of-5809


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« Reply #153 on: May 12, 2009, 11:55:14 AM »

Awesome!

Make sure people read the current code, no wonder they are not hesitating to change it.  The current code is a road map to the NWO Kings and Queens.  Whoever it says you cannot audit is an obvious traitor to the American People.  How can you "not audit" over $13 Trillion dollars but the IRS can audit someone making $24,000 a year?  It is so fricking ridiculous, the current code needs to be exposed by everyone.  It is pretty damning shit and I was laughing to prevent from crying at how apparent it is.  Dr. Paul is like a sniper who chose his target very carefully and after the $trillions have already been exposed to be going to the primary people protected by this code.  It is (as a treasonous CIA director would call it) a SLAM DUNK! And I though Dr. Paul was short, he must get some awesome hang time.

Part of the beauty is that no mention of any conspiracy or left v right politics is required.
No one in there right mind can justify opposition to an audit.
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« Reply #154 on: May 12, 2009, 11:56:15 AM »

I called Rep Barney Frank's office at the following number. He is the Head of the Financial Services Committee who has the HR 1207 bill right now.
http://www.house.gov/financialservices/who.html

(We need to call every single one of these committee members. Most of the Dems have not cosponsored this bill yet, and most of the Reps have. So, check out my scribd doc, and don't bother calling the ones with * by their names, they are on the list. Call the others!)

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2252 Rayburn Building
Washington, DC 20515

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Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)

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I called his office, and said the following in reference to HR 1207:

Is rep Frank going to become a co-sponsor of HR 1207? His asst replied "He is not currently a co-sponsor of the bill."

I said, "Yes, I know, I check the co-sponsor list almost daily. That's not my question. I asked is he going to become a co-sponsor?"

I then told her: "Rep Frank has a chance to show the American people that he supports them, rather than the globalist international bankers by signing on to this Bill. If he doesn't support this bill, we will know who he really supports. I hope you will pass him this message! Thank You!"

(I put this here so people will know what to say when they call these Congressmen. PLEASE HELP OUT! IT TAKES less than 2 mins to call and tell them this! This is your country too, so act like it)
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« Reply #155 on: May 12, 2009, 12:44:28 PM »

UPDATE: I count 152 co-sponsors (Thomas page now says 149, but Open Congress gives 3 more names so 152)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15095120/HR-1207-Federal-Reserve-Transparency-Act-of-2009-Cosponsors-152-as-of-5809
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« Reply #156 on: May 12, 2009, 01:24:46 PM »

UPDATE: I count 152 co-sponsors (Thomas page now says 149, but Open Congress gives 3 more names so 152)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/15095120/HR-1207-Federal-Reserve-Transparency-Act-of-2009-Cosponsors-152-as-of-5809

I know I'll be pelted with rotten tomatoes for saying this, but somebody has to say it: something is wrong with this picture, folks!

Why? Consider the following:

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13464

Top Senate Democrat: bankers "own" the U.S. Congress

by Glenn Greenwald
 
Global Research, May 2, 2009
Salon - 2009-04-30


Sen. Dick Durbin, on a local Chicago radio station this week, blurted out an obvious truth about Congress that, despite being blindingly obvious, is rarely spoken:  "And the banks -- hard to believe in a time when we're facing a banking crisis that many of the banks created -- are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill. And they frankly own the place."  The blunt acknowledgment that the same banks that caused the financial crisis "own" the U.S. Congress -- according to one of that institution's most powerful members -- demonstrates just how extreme this institutional corruption is.

The ownership of the federal government by banks and other large corporations is effectuated in literally countless ways, none more effective than the endless and increasingly sleazy overlap between government and corporate officials. 

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Am I the only one who suspects that the reason that so many banker-owned politicians are signing their names to this bill is that the international bankers do not fear what a Federal Reserve audit would reveal, since (a) the Fed has a double set of books; (b) most of their profits aren't recorded on either set of books anyway, but on the books of commercial banks, which is where most money-creation (and most money laundering) actually occurs; and (c) to merely "end" the Fed would be to crash the money supply (and the economy along with it), which is exactly what the international bankers want, since that would make the masses so desperate that they would literally beg for the bankers' preplanned global currency "solution"?

I'm not saying I have definitive answers, just that we neglect to ask such questions at our peril.
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« Reply #157 on: May 12, 2009, 01:29:56 PM »

That isn't a reason to NOT support this Bill. These goons always have alternative reasons for what they do, no denying that. However, the FED needs to be exposed and discredited, and this is a way to do it, while also exposing those who don't support it.

Correction: Durbin said THEY OWN THE SENATE (we've always known the Senate was even more corrupt than the HOUSE)

http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=6631


Once again! This is about waking up the people to who the FEDERAL RESERVE really is, and exposing them so as to discredit them! Step by Step, we will get the American people to see the scam that is the Federal Reserve! This is an ingenius move by Congressman Ron Paul because there is no really good reason for a Congressman NOT to vote for this bill. Those who don't do it, will OUT themselves!

If you haven't read this book, you should. She also OUTS the Fed and goes back into the history of the scam:

"Web of Debt" by Ellen Hodgson Brown
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« Reply #158 on: May 12, 2009, 02:00:15 PM »

That isn't a reason to NOT support this Bill.

Of course it isn't, and I never even implied that there was anything wrong with the bill itself. There's nothing wrong with band-aids, either. The point is that we should realize we're in a race against time, and that there is thus a very real possibility that, by expending all our energy on merely "auditing" the Fed rather than replacing it with a debt-free money system, we're merely playing into the bankers' hands by giving them the time they need to finish putting the final nail in our economic coffin.

Hence my analogy about us playing checkers while they're playing chess. I just don't want us to find out the hard way that, by taking their pawn (via a Federal Reserve audit that doesn't reveal anything for the reasons I gave in my previous post), we're merely putting our own King (i.e., America itself) in checkmate.

But hey, whatever gets the job done. If pissing on a spark plug does the trick, then I'm all for it.
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« Reply #159 on: May 12, 2009, 03:42:39 PM »

Of course it isn't, and I never even implied that there was anything wrong with the bill itself. There's nothing wrong with band-aids, either. The point is that we should realize we're in a race against time, and that there is thus a very real possibility that, by expending all our energy on merely "auditing" the Fed rather than replacing it with a debt-free money system, we're merely playing into the bankers' hands by giving them the time they need to finish putting the final nail in our economic coffin.

Hence my analogy about us playing checkers while they're playing chess. I just don't want us to find out the hard way that, by taking their pawn (via a Federal Reserve audit that doesn't reveal anything for the reasons I gave in my previous post), we're merely putting our own King (i.e., America itself) in checkmate.

But hey, whatever gets the job done. If pissing on a spark plug does the trick, then I'm all for it.

We're not disagreeing here, Geolibertarian! It's just that HR 1207 is the current bill in Congress. If you want one that supports what you're talking about, and by all means it is a good idea, then try getting your Rep to introduce one. The only thing we can talk about, and encourage voting on right now is HR 1207.

This is my point!
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