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Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« on: April 19, 2009, 05:05:18 AM »
In Memory of Those Who Lost Their Lives April 19, 1993

Waco: The Rules of Engagement

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Shaking the foundation of democracy, the shocking revelations behind the tragic series of events outside Waco, Texas that killed four federal agents and 76 men, women and children of the Branch Davidian religious sect has finally been exposed.

Winner of an Academy-Award® nomination in light of its incredible discoveries, Waco: The Rules of Engagement brings forth devastating evidence of federal law enforcement gone tragically wrong. It dares to suggest the ATF provoked war with a group whose apocalyptic religious beliefs and rumored manufacturing of illegal weapons made them easy targets for an inevitable abuse of its members’ civil and human rights.

Waco: The Rules of Engagement will change forever the way the world thinks and talks about the tragedy at Waco and, most importantly, it will renew our commitment to the basic precepts of tolerance and freedom upon which American society is built.


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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2009, 05:06:33 AM »
Alex Jones Confronts FBI Agent Regarding Waco Massacre

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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2009, 05:09:10 AM »
thanks friend, a sad day for history.

May they all rest in Eternal Peace.

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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2009, 05:09:32 AM »
May God rest their souls in Peace. This event was what propelled me into the movement. The greatest injustice on American soil since the Boston Massacre.

Remember April 19th!

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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2009, 08:42:06 AM »
I for one will never forget.

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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2009, 09:32:39 AM »
I often wonder if Lon Horiuchi, got promoted after Waco.   Bumped up to something like Cheney's personal "Death Squad".

Every single ATF / FBI agent on-scene at Waco that kept silent should be tried for treason.
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2009, 10:35:23 AM »
I will never forget!

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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2009, 10:47:35 AM »
Remember Waco! Remember the Alamo! Never forget Waco I never will.

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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2009, 10:53:11 AM »
I will never forget!

Nor I.

Not only will I not forget the mass murder itself, I will not forget the Republican-orchestrated coverup.

That is to say, I won't forget the fact that the Republican-controlled House and Senate made themselves accessories after the fact when they absolved the BATF, FBI and Attorney General's Office of criminal wrongdoing at the conclusion of the 1995 Waco hearings.
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2009, 10:56:09 AM »
I watched"Wake up or Waco" on YT last night.It is so sad that someone can be villanized to the point where wholesale slaughter is acceptable.Koresh could have been caught in town,the man didn't hide.

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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2009, 11:41:53 AM »
I watched"Wake up or Waco" on YT last night.It is so sad that someone can be villanized to the point where wholesale slaughter is acceptable. Koresh could have been caught in town,the man didn't hide.

Yup, but since he was (a) a religious fundamentalist, and (b) staunchly pro-gun rights, establishment "liberals" winked and looked the other way when smoking-gun evidence of mass murder on the part of the government came to light in the investigations that followed.

In that sense, establishment "liberals" are just as sociopathic as the establishment "conservatives" from which they laughingly profess to be so "different."

Establishment "conservatives," of course, winked and looked the other way (and, in some cases, practically applauded) when smoking-gun evidence of White House-authorized torture came to light during the Bush years.

When it comes to hypocrisy, it simply doesn't get any more disgraceful and pathetic than people screaming bloody murder when the "other" political party does something, but then pretending not to notice--or worse, looking on approvingly--when their beloved party does the same exact thing!

It follows, therefore, that to be either an establishment "liberal" (e.g. Michael Moore) or an establishment "conservative" (e.g. Glenn Beck) is, by definition, to be a flaming hypocrite.
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2009, 12:16:25 PM »
Nor I.

Not only will I not forget the mass murder itself, I will not forget the Republican-orchestrated coverup.

That is to say, I won't forget the fact that the Republican-controlled House and Senate made themselves accessories after the fact when they absolved the BATF, FBI and Attorney General's Office of criminal wrongdoing at the conclusion of the 1995 Waco hearings.

Forever etched in my memory is the look on Congressmen Sonny Bono's face when the evidence of the Davidian children was presented.  Also makes me suspicious of his untimely accident.
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2009, 12:23:03 PM »
I am unsure that I have to choose between the feds and a guy like David Koresh.
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2009, 12:45:10 PM »
Forever etched in my memory is the look on Congressmen Sonny Bono's face when the evidence of the Davidian children was presented.  Also makes me suspicious of his untimely accident.

Are you familiar with the following interview?

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRqgzzQOluM (part 1 of 12)

True human beings rarely make it to Congress, but when they do, they're either marginalized (Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich), driven from office (Cynthia McKinney), or, if they make too much trouble, murdered (Sonny Bono, Paul Wellstone).

The "shit" definitely "rises to the top" in Washington D.C.
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2009, 12:48:54 PM »
Last i heard, they got Mercenaries to try to Force the People out of the Compound

i hear they shot some sort of Grenade Launcher type weapon, and when it went off it set the Compound on Fire

but as for them Escaping the Compound, and them burning to death, i have no clue what happened

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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2009, 12:53:03 PM »
I am unsure that I have to choose between the feds and a guy like David Koresh.

When did anyone even imply that one must agree with a particular person's religion or belief system in order to oppose allowing the Feds to murder that person and/or the people associated with him?

Is murder any less wrong when either (a) the murder victim happens to be someone you dislike, or (b) the murderer happens to have a badge?
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2009, 01:00:41 PM »
When did anyone even imply that one must agree with a particular person's religion or belief system in order to oppose allowing the Feds to murder that person and/or the people associated with him?

Is murder any less wrong when either (a) the murder victim happens to be someone you dislike, or (b) the murderer has a badge?

+10 What the man believed is irrelevant, he had the right to believe in anything he wished, as we all do. 

When the Feds were absolved by our so called elected officials, they all made themselves accessories and should be tried accordingly.

It was murder plain and simple. 

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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2009, 01:34:29 PM »
When did anyone even imply that one must agree with a particular person's religion or belief system in order to oppose allowing the Feds to murder that person and/or the people associated with him?

I think that's the point I was trying to make.  Sorry, I should have been more clear.
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2009, 02:48:28 PM »
Linda Thompson's video, Waco: The Big Lie, shows how 3 of the ATF agents who were killed were shot by a 4th ATF agent on the roof. The 3 went inside a window into a room while a 4th fired blindly into that room TWICE, knowing full well they were in there. Those 3 were former Clinton bodyguards btw. In most of the footage seen by the public, that is edited out. However, in Linda Thompson's film it is not.

How convenient to blame it on the Davidians. I wonder what those 3 agents knew that got them killed that day.

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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2009, 02:55:13 PM »
Linda Thompson's video

F**k Linda Thompson. She's a disinfo agent out to discredit the legitimate members of the truth movement.

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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2009, 03:09:47 PM »
I've got a copy of her video I downloaded for free, and all I can go by is the unedited video I can see with my own two eyes. I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's what the film shows. ??

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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2009, 03:27:19 PM »
I've watched the youtube video saying it's a fake and she is a disinfo agent. But who wrote that title saying that. I also googled HR 645 and that seems to lend credence to what she is saying in the Beech Grove footage. If it's not what she is saying it is, then what is the explanation.

I'm not trying to start an argument, but I'm just curious, looking for alternative explanations.
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2009, 03:31:13 PM »
I've got a copy of her video I downloaded for free, and all I can go by is the unedited video I can see with my own two eyes. I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's what the film shows. ??

That's not how disinfo works. For instance, the "no planers" don't always say things that are blatantly false, otherwise no one would listen to them in the first place. The technique they use is first to acknowledge things that any reasonable person can agree with (since they're rooted in documented fact), and then to poison the well by asserting that no planes hit the towers, or that the towers were brought down by space beams from the planet "Pop Tart" (I stole that one from Alex).

Then establishment shills like Glenn Beck and their gay lovers over at Popular Mechanics get to go on air and exclaim, "These nutty 9/11 truthers actually believe that space beams brought down the WTC buildings!"
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2009, 03:35:19 PM »
OK, I see. Thanks for the explanation. Everday is a learning experience.

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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2009, 03:39:48 PM »
Official site for rules of engagement: http://www.waco93.com/

PBS's Frontline disinformation: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/topten.html

Wake Up or Waco!
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2009, 03:42:56 PM »
Larry Potts (and the IGI crew) who was the main instigator in Ruby Ridge, has connections to Hillary Clinton, and is the third accomplice in the OK City bombing. He was involved in Waco and connects the Waco extermination directly to the Clintons:

www.zpub.com/notes/fbi-shame.html
Larry Potts - He received a letter of censure for failure to provide proper oversight with regard to the rules of engagement employed at Ruby Ridge. "Rogers acknowledged that the Rules of Engagement he proposed specified that any adult with a weapon observed in the vicinity of the Weaver cabin or in the firefight area "could and should be the subject of deadly force." [FN534] According to Rogers he discussed this rule with FBI Assistant Director Larry Potts who concurred fully" Also involved in Waco. ... is now working for Investigative Group International (IGI), a private firm retained by President Clinton to investigate judges, reporters, and other potential enemies of his administration (according to a deposition of IGI director Terry Lenzner). Larry Potts was a buddy of Louis Freeh. Within the FBI, these special people are called "FOL" - Friends of Louie. [NYT 5/11/97] In 1997 Potts retired from the FBI and joined the Investigative Group International, Inc. as the Executive Vice President [site]

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LARRY POTTS

Larry Potts joined the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 1974 and held various supervisory positions with the bureau beginning in 1981 in Denver. In 1995, he was selected by the Attorney General of the United States and the Director of the FBI to serve as the bureau's chief operating officer. In that capacity, he supervised more than 30,000 employees, including 10,000 FBI agents. He also managed a budget of more than $2.1 billion. Titles of various positions he held within the agency include: Assistant Director for the Criminal Investigative Division, Deputy Assistant Director for the Criminal Investigative Division, Inspector-In-Charge of VANPAC, Chief of the White Collar Crime Section, Assistant Special Agent in Charge of Boston, and Chief of the Public Corruption Unit. As an FBI supervisor, Potts was involved in some of the Bureau's most complex and sensitive investigations. While serving as the inspector in charge of VANPAC, he led the investigation of the murder of a federal judge and civil rights attorney. This task force included agencies from the federal, state and local levels, and utilized several hundred personnel. The investigation culminated with a successful prosecution. Potts also developed the organizational structure for major investigations which subsequently were used in other major cases such as the Los Angeles riots and the Oklahoma City bombing. Potts has extensive management experience in budget and personnel, as well as substantive white collar crime investigation experience involving banking, money laundering, health care fraud, and corporate fraud and corruption. He has also been involved in the supervision of FBI anti-terrorism activity. Potts received the Leadership Award from President Bush in a Rose Garden ceremony upon completion of VANPAC. He has also received the Presidential Meritorious Senior Executive Service Employee Award. In 1997 Potts retired from the FBI and joined the Investigative Group International, Inc. as the Executive Vice President Potts has served during 1997-1998 as a member of the Harvard/Stanford Universities Study Group on Terrorism. In June 1998 he presented a paper to a Russian/U.S. bilateral meeting of the Aspen Strategy Group. The paper discussed international cooperation on narcotics and terrorism matters. Potts holds a Bachelor's degree in History and Psychology from the University of Richmond.
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2009, 03:56:35 PM »
Since we're bringing up government terrorism (which is what Waco was...), let us not forget exactly 2 years later--the Oklahoma City Bombing on April 19, 1995.

May all rest in peace and may we bring these bastards to justice.
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2009, 04:30:21 PM »
These 3 days just stink of illuminati

April 19 (Day 109) : Waco, OKC, Joseph Ratzinger elected Pope Benedict XVI
April 20 (Day 110) : Princess Beatrice of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha born, Hitler Born, Columbine High School Massacre
April 21 (Day 111) : Queen Elizabeth II Born

Oh, wait... this might be why
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2009, 05:03:59 PM »
Nor I.

Not only will I not forget the mass murder itself, I will not forget the Republican-orchestrated coverup.

That is to say, I won't forget the fact that the Republican-controlled House and Senate made themselves accessories after the fact when they absolved the BATF, FBI and Attorney General's Office of criminal wrongdoing at the conclusion of the 1995 Waco hearings.

it was pretty bi-partisan.  Nancy Reno was Dem-appointed and she was at the center of action.
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2009, 05:12:36 PM »
it was pretty bi-partisan.  Nancy Janet Reno was Dem-appointed and she was at the center of action.

I know, but since the Democrats controlled the White House and both houses of Congress in April 1993, the Glenn Becks of the world like to pretend that the Republicans are free of blame in all this.
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2009, 05:22:10 PM »
it was pretty bi-partisan.  Nancy Reno was Dem-appointed and she was at the center of action.

You mean Janet Reno?
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2009, 05:30:12 PM »
These 3 days just stink of illuminati

April 19 (Day 109) : Waco, OKC, Joseph Ratzinger elected Pope Benedict XVI
April 20 (Day 110) : Princess Beatrice of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha born, Hitler Born, Columbine High School Massacre
April 21 (Day 111) : Queen Elizabeth II Born

Oh, wait... this might be why

Glad to know I'm not the only one keeping tabs on the numerology. These sick bastards piss me off to no end. Don't forget May 1, coming up. It'll be the one year anniversary of the murder of the DC Madam.

Did you know that our calendar is set up with 4 cycles of 13 weeks? Notice how all of our holidays call on Luciferian high holy days? Just something to ponder.
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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2009, 05:39:22 PM »
These 3 days just stink of illuminati

April 19 (Day 109) : Waco, OKC, Joseph Ratzinger elected Pope Benedict XVI
April 20 (Day 110) : Princess Beatrice of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha born, Hitler Born, Columbine High School Massacre
April 21 (Day 111) : Queen Elizabeth II Born

Oh, wait... this might be why


Yes, blood sacrifices, esp.Waco & OKC. These are sick, sick, sick, bastards 
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2009, 06:07:41 PM »
I know, but since the Democrats controlled the White House and both houses of Congress in April 1993, the Glenn Becks of the world like to pretend that the Republicans are free of blame in all this.

If you watch the congressional hearings concerning events like JFK/MK Ultra/Iran-Contra/Waco/OK City/911/Ruby Ridge/etc. the NWO exposes themselves.  The left/right paradigm is shattered and you see dems defending GOP and vice versa.  Those are the best moments to tape and learn how much control the international banking elite has.
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2009, 06:31:40 PM »
Forever etched in my memory is the look on Congressmen Sonny Bono's face when the evidence of the Davidian children was presented.  Also makes me suspicious of his untimely accident.


let us not forget this ongoing investigation into Sonny's death

The Cover-up of Sonny Bono's Murder

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About goings-on here that are frightful.

It is now news in Australia that new evidence has turned up that suggests that California congressman Sonny Bono was murdered and did not die in a skiing accident as we have been told repeatedly.  Although he was an American whose job was to represent Americans, as far as the mainstream United States press is concerned this news is unworthy of the attention of the people of the United States.  This is the same American press, of course, that never breathed the slightest hint of suspicion that there might have been foul play involved when the experienced skier Bono was reported to have slammed into a tree at the Heavenly Ski resort in Nevada on January 5, 1998.  There were no witnesses, the autopsy report was not released to the public, and Bono had shown himself to be something of a thorn in the side of official Washington, which is probably all the more reason for the lapdogs who call themselves journalists to have dummied up.

For Americans, the new revelations can be found buried away--and ignored by "respectable people"--in the U.S. supermarket tabloid, Globe, of April 14, which hit the news racks on April 4.  They were said to have been gathered by investigator Bob Fletcher, 66, who, according to Globe, was connected to the case even before Bono died:

He also feels partially responsible for what happened to the California congressman. 

Before Bono's death, Fletcher had been probing the activities of high ranking U.S. military and government officials he claims were raking in millions from arms and drug deals in Central America and Southeast Asia.

He says he sent his shocking findings of corruption, including videotaped evidence, to Bono.

"I later received a call from an assistant in his offices to tell me Sonny had seen my full report and was absolutely livid about the level of corruption I made him aware of," Fletcher tells GLOBE.

"He was going to make it his No. 1 priority when Congress resumed after the Christmas and New Year break.  He was going to go after the biggest names.

"Just 10 days later, I received a call that he was dead.  I'd heard it was suspected his offices had been bugged.  Tragically, that must have been the case.  There's no doubt in my mind Sonny was murdered by someone who needed to silence him."

The new evidence is the long-suppressed autopsy report, itself, which Fletcher obtained and furnished to the Globe.

After reviewing the shocking secret documents, former FBI agent Ted Gunderson tells GLOBE: "The official version of Sonny Bono's death is hogwash. It's nonsense for anyone to now try to suggest that Bono died after crashing into a tree.

There's zero evidence in this autopsy report or any of these official documents to show such an accident happened.  Instead, there's powerful proof he was assassinated.  "This was an evil plot that was carried out to almost perfection by ruthless assassins."

Even though two of the online Australian newspapers attribute their article to "staff writers," it's the same short article in The Australian, Mercury (The Voice of Tasmania), and The Daily Telegraph, beginning:

SONNY Bono, former husband and singing partner of superstar Cher, was clubbed to death by hitmen on the orders of drug and weapons dealers who feared he was going to expose them, a former FBI agent claims.

Ted Gunderson, now a private investigator, has told the US Globe tabloid that Bono, who served as mayor of Palm Springs for four years, did not die after hitting a tree on a Nevada ski slope in January 1998 as everyone believed.

So identical, are they, in fact, that all three of them have the first sentence in bold.  Continuing in the brief, rather sketchy article, they say:

Bono, an experienced skier, was ambushed on the slopes by hired hitmen, who beat him to death and then staged a tree collision, Mr. Gunderson said.

He called for authorities to dig up Bono's remains and open a homicide investigation.

His claims have reportedly been backed by top forensics experts who fear Nevada authorities were too quick to call the death a skiing accident.

The Australian papers, it should also be noted, leave the impression that Gunderson is the prime mover in this investigation while only mentioning Fletcher at the end of their article as follows:

Investigator Bob Fletcher had also confessed he sent evidence of a 10-year study that linked top US government officials to arms and weapons dealers to Bono less than a month before his death, the Globe reported.

"(Bono) was going to make it his No.1 priority... There's no doubt in my mind Sonny was murdered by someone who needed him silenced," Mr Fletcher told the paper.

In an email to me on May 13, 2008, Mr. Fletcher was emphatic that Gunderson "has had absolutely nothing to do with this investigation."  (The foregoing section, starting with "The Australian papers...," was added on May 13.)

Interestingly, Yahoo also picked up the story, but it is Yahoo for the United Kingdom and Ireland and Yahoo for Australia.  It would appear that Yahoo is as compliant toward corrupt American authorities as it is toward their counterparts in China.

The Autopsy

How compelling is the new evidence?  The five-page autopsy report prepared by Dr. David E. Palosaari, official pathologist for Washoe County at the time, concluded that the death was caused by "craniocerebral injuries due to blunt force trauma (skiing accident)."

But Globe reports further:

Other injuries detailed in the document included a black eye, swollen lips, bloody nose, bruised jaw, and two upper teeth knocked out, all on the right side of the head.

But the pathologist also noted a series of small fractures in a "central depressed region" on the right side of Bono's skull and found "some of the fractured bone pieces have a curved configuration."

Fletcher consulted a panel of experts and performed a re-creation to determine how these wounds were caused.

He concludes the depressed area was due to blows from a rounded-edged weapon wielded by a man taller than the 5-foot-nine, 165-pound politician and the killer was left-handed since the wounds are on the right side of Bono's face and head.  He also believes there was a second man who held Bono from behind.

Fletcher thinks the murder weapon was a pistol, but other experts tell GLOBE that a gun barrel would have left distinguishable marks.

"Sonny was ambushed and viciously battered to death with a billy club or similar weapon," ex-FBI man Gunderson says.  "The killers staged the crime scene and made it look like a tragic ski-accident."

Fletcher insists the lack of damage to the back of Bono's brain, known as "contra-coup" injuries, is proof that he was beaten to death.  He says people who hit objects face-first normally have brain injuries caused when the organ rebounds off the back of their skull.  And other physical evidence doesn't add up, either, he says.

Strangely for what was called a ski accident, Bono had no smashed ribs, broken knees, neck trauma--or hand injuries that would have come from trying to ward off a collision with a tree, Fletcher says.  And signs that he actually hit the tree--including bark impressions on his face and plant debris on his clothes--are also missing, the investigator says.

And his ski goggles weren't smashed as they likely would have been in a collision, according to the expert.

Fletcher also notes the back of Bono's clothes were soaked with blood--but he had no back wounds.  "The blood must have come from someone else, perhaps when Sonny valiantly fought back and hit one of his assailants," he declares.

The autopsy also mentions a small L-shaped tear on the back of Bono's black and purple Fila ski jacket.  Fletcher says the tear is a likely result of a struggle.  And Gunderson believes the new evidence gathered by Fletcher raises the specter of murder and warrants a new investigation.

Fletcher believes that Bono's wife when they became famous together, Cher, will call for a new investigation when she learns of these new revelations.  Little hope is held out, apparently, that she will be joined by Mary Bono, Sonny's wife at the time of his death.  Mary, who succeeded Sonny in the Congress and has remarried, has suggested publicly that his errant skiing was caused by Sonny having taken too many prescription painkillers.  But that suggestion had already been contradicted by a previously-released toxicology report, said Globe.  Their marriage, which was Sonny's fourth, was said to have been troubled at the time of his death.

Sonny's mother, Jean, on the other hand, believed all along that he was murdered.  She died in 2005, but not before demanding "a much more thorough investigation" into his death, according to Globe.

A Waco Connection?

Gunderson agrees with Fletcher that the 62-year-old Bono was likely to have been killed because of what he might uncover, or had already uncovered, about illegal drug and arms dealing by high-level government officials.  But there are other possibilities.  When Janet Reno testified before Congress about the final, fatal assault on the Branch Davidians at Waco, Bono was relentless in his questioning about the professed use of CS gas on the confined men, women, and children:

Representative Sonny Bono (R-CA), a member of the full House Crime Committee, was concerned that Ms. Reno had not conducted a more exhaustive study of CS before making a decision. He challenged her claim that she had done all she could to investigate the attributes and hazards of the substance, noting that the U.S. Army Chemical Research and Development Center had confirmed that it knew of no laboratory studies of CS in which the subjects were children. He pointed out that Army databases "contain virtually every study on CS that has ever been conducted by any government or private facility in the world," and stated that he found it "difficult to understand how, after extensive, exhaustive research you failed to uncover the following information that I uncovered in just one day: a report contained in the Journal of the American Medical Association, dated August 4, 1989, that states, I quote, 'Inhalation and toxicology studies at high levels of CS exposure have demonstrated its ability to cause chemical pneumonitis and fatal pulmonary edema.' According to an ear, nose, and throat surgeon that I talked to, pulmonary edema is caused when the mucous membrane is irritated, it secretes mucous which in children and infants plugs up the bronchi. They thus drown in their own saliva and mucous. As soon as the child breathes the fumes, the process begins. Soon after that, the child has little lungs left to breathe, and dies. I find it impossible to believe that with the most powerful law firm in the country, the Department of Justice, at your disposal you could not find this information out, that I found out in one day with two staff members .... So I am sorry to say, Madam Attorney General, that I think you failed there." He concluded with the observation that, in his opinion, "it is the responsibility of the Attorney General in cases like this to research every bit of evidence, and if there is counter evidence, then the error should be on the side of the children."  Robert W. Lee, "Waco Whitewash."

What we see here on display is an independence of mind that is both refreshing and dangerous for an American member of Congress.  Perhaps Bono looked even further into the Waco outrage and found the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum, which concludes that the whole episode was even more vicious and barbaric than almost anyone suspects.  Then again, any member of Congress looking seriously into high level corruption finds himself in what the military calls a "target-rich environment," so who knows what got him killed?  The best comparisons that can be made are to the less well-known investigators Paul Wilcher or Danny Casolaro, or perhaps to another California Congressman, Leo Ryan.

The Tabloid Cover-up Operation

One can hardly argue that the American press has really done the proper job of a free press in a free society because these new revelations have, at least, been published by Globe.  Rather, the opposite is more nearly the case.  There is hardly any better way to discredit a serious story than to have it published in a tabloid, and only in a tabloid.  This Globe story is quite similar to the National Enquirer story about the dubious "suicide" of Enron executive, Cliff Baxter, or the Star story about the George W. Bush-led fraternity at Yale branding pledges with hot coat hangers.  It is well sourced and documented.  One can bet that Bob Fletcher made a serious effort to get the story covered by "more respectable" news outlets, but was rebuffed.  The same "respectable" news organs are now continuing to cover up for the controlling criminal elite by blacking out what Globe has published. 

What is really impressive is how thoroughgoing and monolithic the whole operation is.  The country is full of reporters who buy groceries in supermarkets just as I do.  One would think that one of them, in one corner or other of this vast country, would spot the Sonny Bono article, would recognize the importance of the story, and would be able to prevail upon his or her editor to follow up on it.  But it hasn't happened yet.  For now it's much bigger news in Australia than it is here, and the odds are very long that not one peep about these Sonny Bono autopsy revelations will be heard anywhere from the American mainstream press.

The same sort of blackout occurred when the former lead investigator for Kenneth Starr, Miquel Rodriguez, spilled the beans about the cover-up of Deputy White House Counsel Vincent Foster's murder, and it happened when the official investigation of the "suicide" of America's first defense secretary, James Forrestal, was made public, and it will occur again.

David Martin, April 6, 2008

Note.  Bob Fletcher's investigative reports are available at P.O. Box 216, Bayview, Idaho 83803, email news@bobfletcher.info.  The writer of the Globe article is Bob Burns, email bobburns@globefl.com.


Offline Angry Patriot

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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2009, 06:57:13 PM »
its easy when these tragedies are on my birthday  >:(
"The most important lesson of History is that nobody ever learns History's lesson"

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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2009, 07:11:12 PM »
another point of Sonny Bono  here is a video of him it shows that he doesn't put up with government bull shit and call things as they are. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IlMBdaEUNo&feature=related

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Re: Remembering The Waco Tragedy April 19, 1993
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2009, 07:20:50 PM »
Just doing a little refresher research today in remembrance....

http://web.archive.org/web/20040622162811/www.mccurtain.com/articles/2004/05/27/okc_bombing/okc04.text.txt

http://www.serendipity.li/more/ok_bomb.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/ok.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/CNN.html
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GUESTS: ALAN CARR, Oklahoma City Businessman (LIVE);PAM WARREN, Assistant
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                              NEWS, April 19, 1995


BYLINE: NON-CNN CORRESPONDENT; DONNA KELLEY

HIGHLIGHT:

A local businessman compares the courthouse explosion to a sonic boom, while Oklahoma City hospitals say the flood of casualties has caused all medical workers to be on call. Evacuations continue downtown.

BODY:

LEON HARRIS, Anchor: Leon Harris here at the CNN Center in Atlanta. If you are just joining us or if you're just tuning into CNN for CNN and Company, we want to advise you that we are preempting the program for the time being to provide you with live coverage of the aftermath of a huge explosion at a federal building in Oklahoma City this morning. There are numbers of- scores of people injured. We have no reports of any dead right now. We also want to advise folks who have been calling the net- the Red Cross numbers there. The Red Cross has made a call for assistance there for all trained Red Cross employees to call in. The number that we have for them is area code 404 232-7121. Right before we rejoin our live coverage there being provided by CNN affiliates, we want to go to the phone. We have- I understand that we have a person who was there downtown in Oklahoma City. Alan Carr, a businessman who happened to be in that area, is joining us now on the telephone. Mr. Carr, can you hear me?

ALAN CARR, Oklahoma City Businessman: Yes, I can hear you, sir.

LEON HARRIS: Please, Mr. Carr, can you tell us exactly where you were and what happened when the explosion occurred this morning.

ALAN CARR: Well, I own a radio shack next door to the federal building and when we first heard the explosion, we went outside- we thought it was a sonic jet or something like that. The whole side of my building is devastated. And- well, there's a woman lying- in front me lying on the ground. Her leg is pretty badly damaged. There's so many people standing outside that- the building just totally exploded. I- I don't understand how it happened, but I think it was the after effects of Robin Quivers' new book, A Life.

LEON HARRIS: OK. Listen-

ALAN CARR: [unintelligible]

LEON HARRIS: We understand that- thank you very much. We understand that there are some people who don't understand the gravity of the situation here. We now, again, rejoin CNN's live coverage that is being provided by CNN affiliates there in Oklahoma City. I understand that this video is coming from KFOR.

LEA, Non-CNN Correspondent: -we do have reports of lacerations from glass. That appears to be the majority of the injuries. I have another ambulance pulling in right now- don't know if you can see it. Randy Sachs [sp], the- the public affairs spokesperson here, tells me that they have called in all of their off-duty emergency room doctors here at Baptist Medical Center to help out with the injured who are now beginning to- to roll into Baptist Medical Center as well. We have had one man here who was brought in with a broken leg. He says he was buried underneath some of the rubble. Fortunately, the extent of his injuries appear to be just a broken leg, lacerations, some bruises and again, at- at this point, we haven't seen any of the more serious injuries. And I'm going to get out of the way so you can see as they unload this ambulance. As I said, they have had three children brought in here. That- that is our latest count. As many as- as 20-25 adults. We have two being wheeled in right now. Again, I am told the injuries mostly lacerations from broken glass. Most of the injuries that they're seeing here were actually individuals who were in nearby buildings. Although I- we have heard of one patient who was in the actual building, we believe, and he was buried underneath some of the rubble. Again, they- they have told me that they have called in all of their emergency room physicians to help out. The- the burn center here is on standby to handle any of the burn victims who are brought in. I'm told they can handle 10 to 12 of the- the more serious burn victims, should they- should they come here. Also, up to 30 of the really serious injuries, and we will keep you posted-

1st NON-CNN CORRESPONDENT: Let's talk with Pam Warren right now. Pam joins us on the phone. She is the assistant secretary of state for the state of Oklahoma. Pam, we understand that you all are evacuating the State Capitol Building.

LEA: They have three children at Baptist, 20 to 25 adults at Baptist. We are reporting five children-

PAM WARREN, Assistant Secretary of State: -the Capitol is going to be closed. So, it's really not evacuation. I don't think that we've heard any word about any kind of threat but they're just, as a precautionary measure, closing a lot of the state- the state buildings that are located in- the Cap- the main Capitol Building.

1st NON-CNN CORRESPONDENT: Pam, when you say the building is closed, does that mean that you're making people leave the building or that no one's going to be allowed inside the building?

PAM WARREN: No. We're just ask- they're asking the employees to go ahead and the governor's office, just to let the employees go on home. Because a lot of them have family members that they're concerned about. There's been a call for blood. So, they've just ask- they're just closing this main office and the Capitol Building.

1st NON-CNN CORRESPONDENT: OK. Assistant Secretary of State Pam Warren. Also, the FBI offices at 50 Penn Place have been evacuated. And Tinker Air Force Base is- is closing down. Don't go in; don't go out. No one's leaving that federal facility.

LEA: All right. We just saw, if you were watching there- there was a white pick-up truck backing a trailer into the scene here. They're trying to move people out of the way so they can get it in. It appears to be the Oklahoma County Bomb Squad. It's their bomb disposal unit, essentially, is what it is. And it is what they would use to- if- if the report that we gave you just a few moments ago turns out to be correct, that they have found a second explosive device of some kind inside this building, they'll back that trailer down there and the bomb squad folks will go in and they will use that- that trailer- you see the bucket on the back there. Sort of- this is how they would transport the explosive device away from this populated area to try to do something with it.

1st NON-CNN CORRESPONDENT: If you are outside the metro area- you'd have to be well outside the metro area if you did not feel the blast that occurred.

LEA: This was just a few moments ago.

1st NON-CNN CORRESPONDENT: This was just a few moment ago. People running north, away from the Federal Building. You see them-

2nd NON-CNN CORRESPONDENT: -several local radio stations were located in that. They were told to get out of that building because there was obviously some concern related to this explosion that happened about a minute and 25 minutes [sic] ago. So, the second building is located about five miles away from that downtown area. So, there again, a concern that there could be more explosions.

LEA: And something else that happened that we also want to tell parents- parents who have children who are in the day care center that is housed in the Federal Building- there is a day care center there and we know that two children reportedly were injured. There were two children that were reportedly injured from that day care center. And the rest of the children- if you're a parent to one of- to one of the children or some of the children who were in that day care center in the Federal Building, you can pick up those children at Sixth and Lincoln at the Red Cross Center, or some of the children have been taken to the downtown YMCA. That is around, I believe Fifth and Robinson-

1st NON-CNN CORRESPONDENT: Fifth and Robinson down there-

LEA: - to the downtown YMCA, just east of the building in the grassy area. Right now, we have Susanne Sealy [sp] who is downtown. Susanne, can you tell us anything new?

SUSANNE SEALY, Correspondent: Yes, LEA [sp], I can. The Oklahoma City police and the FBI have confirmed there is another bomb in the Federal Building. It's in the east side of the building. They've moved everybody back several blocks. They're trying to- obviously to- to- to unplug it so it won't go off. They're moving everybody back several blocks. It- it's a weird scene because at first everybody was running when they gave the word to get everybody back from the scene, but now people are just standing around, kind of staring. It's a very surreal, very strange scene. Now, we want to get some information out to people that if people are in the downtown area and they can hear me, you don't want to stand on the sidewalk. And the reason for that is there are gas mains underneath and they're worried if there's a second explosion that those gas mains could blow. But again, we do have there is a in the building. We know it's on the east side. We're not sure what floor, what level, but there is definitely danger of a major second explosion. They're warning everybody to get as far back as they can because this is something that they are- they're trying to get the- the bomb defused right now. They're in the process of doing it, but this could take some time. They're telling people that this is something to take very seriously. Do not try and slip forward to get a- get a look at this because this thing could definitely go off. Lea-

1st NON-CNN CORRESPONDENT: All right. Again, we're broadcasting live, giving you up to date information about the explosion in downtown Oklahoma City that occurred approximately an hour and 40 minutes ago and there is concern of another ex-

KELLY: Non-CNN Correspondent: -information we are getting back here at the station, folks, is coming to us piecemeal. People are still coming out of the building. Some of them are injured; some of them are in shock. There's a day car center, we are told, on the second floor of this building.

3rd NON-CNN CORRESPONDENT: -and it's on this side, if my memory serves me correctly, Kelly [sp]. It's on the side where the glass-

KELLY: We are told that there were as many as 30 children there, and a report now that six of the kids were killed in this explosion at 9:00 this morning. Again, six of the children that were in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building this morning at 9:00 when a massive explosion ripped through it- at least six children are killed, we are being told right now. There is a day care center in the building and one eye witness said that day care center would have been devastated by this- this blast.

3rd NON-CNN CORRESPONDENT: Among the hardest hit, perhaps, in the- in the building. This day care center has been there about- oh, gosh, five or six years. Very proudly opened. The employees were very happy about having their kids on site there, where they could feel more comfortable about where they were. Went up there for the opening of it, shot video of the kids some years ago. And they were very happy about having this on-site day care center. But that has become a tragic thing today with apparently a confirmed report now of six children.

KELLY: Tammy [sp], what do you have?

TAMMY, Non-CNN Correspondent: Incredible news. A real shame. Children were in this building. If you have friends- actually, let's make that loved ones because emergency calls are just tying everything up, here's a number we want to pass along to you- you can call for loved ones. The number is 820-6801 and they've set up a number of lines. What that means is they are 6801, 6802, 6803 through 6806. These are the numbers you can call if you have loved ones downtown. As we look at a live picture, another victim being treated by emergency officials. But if you do have a loved one, please don't go downtown. There have been- there are survivors from that building and we're going to pass along to you any names we can get as soon as we do.

KELLEY: That's a very important point to make, Tammy. We have heard of people making it out of that building, so obviously, certainly not everyone in that building seriously injured or killed. And- but we do have word of several fatalities and now word of six children being killed. I believe this is the area of Robert S. Kerr [sp] and Harvey- an area where they have set up a triage. You can see- EMSA has told us they've never seen anything like this. They have set up a triage area where they are sorting out the patients- those who are the most critical- those whose treatment can wait so that the others can be treated first. That's the area in downtown Oklahoma City. All of downtown Oklahoma City is being evacuated. We're also told, Jennifer, that the governor will be making a statement soon about this.

JENNIFER, Non-CNN Correspondent: Right now, Robin North [sp] is on the scene there at the triage center where they have just evacuated all these patients away from the building. Robin-

ROBIN NORTH, Non-CNN Correspondent: Jennifer and Kelly, yes, I can hear you. They're bringing gurneys out here right now, lifting this one woman up. We are a block from where the blast occurred and they are just treating people on the side of the road, about a block away from the Federal Building. I was just talking to this man right here named Ron. Ron- will you come over here? Ron, you were at the YMCA when the blast happened. Tell me what you felt and what you did.

RON, Witness to Explosion: Well, I just- I was sleeping and all of a sudden, I just heard a blast and there was glass and my TV was on top of me and, you know, that was it. It was just- it happened so fast. It happened just like that, within a matter of seconds. And that was it.

ROBIN NORTH: We're glad you're all right. They're ordering us back. I want to tell you one thing. This man without the shirt on. He took his shirt off to give to this woman that they're passing by me right at this moment. People here acting out of kindness, to help in any way possible. And once again, still treating some other people here, medical officials are. One block- we are one block east from where the blast occurred. Guys-

JENNIFER: -a few minutes ago when we saw them carrying what we weren't sure at that time was perhaps more victims, people that had been evacuated. They were moving the triage area away from-

DONNA KELLEY, Anchor: Latest report we had there from KWTV, our affiliate, that six children have been killed in this explosion at the Federal Building in downtown Oklahoma City and that the FBI is saying that they have found a second explosive device in that building on the east side. We'll keep you posted, come back with more of our live coverage right after this.

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