First Tom Hartman, now Mancow & Napolitano...sup AJ ?

[Tonkah]

You know guys, I'm getting really tired of this sh*t. Just recently, I remember listening to the show when Alex talked about Mancow basically saying he was a crazy for believing there was a conspiracy aimed at establishing a world government. But somehow within a matter of months he's a full-fledged patriot leader in the fight against tyranny? Thats what we're to believe. Here's just a couple links to demonstrate what this guy mancow is really about for those who don't already know. I did a 20 second google search but I'm certain anyone interested enough can find plenty more, and more damning than this.

 http://www.infowars.com/mancow-frank-caliendo-prank-alex-jones/
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/planet_mancow_show_features_infowars_team_member.htm


Really, how much courage does it take to preach to the chior? It's one thing to go on the alex jones show and talk about conspiracies to an audience that hears about it every day. It's another thing altogether to go on FOX news, and his sydicated radio show and walk that same walk on these mainstream venues. But Alex says he's OK.

Then we have this Tom Hartman, some left-wing radio show host that Alex wants to chum it up with on air via simulcast.
During the broadcast it was obvious Hartman tried to position himself in the middle, at the same time trying to frame this entire freedom movement in terms of the left-right paradigm, careful not to make any implication of a third option. He constantly refered to AJ as a "conservative" yet Jones never called him on it! I watched FOX news use this same "left-right" tactic all day during coverage of the TEA Parties. Hartman went on to ambush Alex with callers, obvious plants, to further discredit the freedom movement ideas yet AJ took it all in stride like a good sport!  Seriously guys, that sh*t was hard to listen to!

Now, I haven't heard the Napolitano interview yet but this freakin guy is a regular on FOX news! I don't need much of an imagination to figure out how this interview will be! Even if by some chance he does say something remotely like admitting a conspiracy for world government, HE'LL NEVER SAY THAT ON FOX NEWS!

So whats going on here? In my assessment these are the possibilities; 1. This is some misguided attempt by AJ at broadening his audience by establishing relationships with mainstream personalities. 2. He really believes these people are good guys. 3. Attempting to gain political cover from persecution by aligning himself with anyone who admits to any goverment misconduct...a kind of 'if you come after me, you've gotta come after them too' strategy. 4. Sold out.

In my opinion this is a zero sum game...for every schill that gains credibility through AJ , he loses credibility with his own audience. Thats the game. Those who have been studying government corruption for yrs are aware that these recent guest are in no wise "for real". So one gains, one loses.   

[SeasOfEuropa]

All these radio/tv people who are just now coming forward in the "good fight" are partisan hacks, most of them anyway.

[chrisfromchi]

For all those you named, I'd like it if they could admit that there needs to be a new investigation into 9/11.

They don't have to say they agree with Alex, Controlled Demolition, Cave Planning or Continuity of government, they could even themselves believe that a foreign country did it and we were lied to about that or heck even still believe the official story, but they need to admit there is a need for a new investigation into 9/11. These people and others in MSM need to vocally acknowledge the possibility of somethings wrong, that would cause the sea change needed.

Btw Mancow was totally emulating early Alex Jones with black helicopters, Waco, ruby ridge, OKC and UN take-over and such in the late 1990s before W Bush. Then 9/11 happened and Ann Coulter was a common guest.

[Tonkah]

Yes, I've come to know many of these media figureheads oscillate to either extreme according to the political climate. A kind of sheep herding technique I suppose.

[Tonkah]

Hell, with all of the "co-opting" taking place these days, I can't shake the sneaking suspicion that WE (the red pill crowd) are being herded in a predetermined direction. MIAC is mainstream, so is this new right-wing threat report; Rick Perry supports the 10th amendment; Beck has seen the light; Alex loves mancow; and lets not forget that suddenly Ron Paul is a media darling! 

[Noel Degrassi]

Tonkah, one thing is for sure, you don't listen or watch Andrew Napolitano, because if you did, you would just shut right the f**k up. Yeah, I said the same shit: "Fox Guy, Can't Trust Him". And for EVERYBODY on that station except the Judge, I'd say that's still an accurate statement. But last year when I saw him speak at the Freedom First Foundation with Ron Paul, that turned me right around. I don't hear anything but TRUTH out of that man. Constitutional Truth. Now, he may not be talking about what YOU want him to talk about, and that is your hangup. That man has to sit there with that babbling, ninny propagandist Brian Kilmeade three or four hours a day and Judge will call him out when he tries to push the Fox line. He'll point out how unconstitional everything Kilmeade says is. And on Freedom Watch, c'mon Ron Paul, Gerald Celente, Lew Rockwell, etc, etc, etc. You see why they put him in the basement storage room for his INTERNET show.

I guess you guys expect all this to be aimed at the awaken, which is counterproductive. Can't wake 'em up if THEY DON'T EVER SEE IT. Why preach to the church congregation when your target audience is everywhere but there?

[Jackson Holly]

I don't know anything about Mancow, except the AJ stuff ... and I don't know anything about Napolitano, as I don't watch TV either ... but I do know Thom Hartmann. I've listened to him quiet a bit, going back years before he got on Airhead America, and I have read one of his many books, The Last Hour of Ancient Sunlight. We don't have AJ on AM here, so when I'm in my car I switch between the crazy 'right~wing' and the crazy 'left~wing' stations to try to keep up with the brain-dead and lying MSM.

I think Hartmann might be getting a glimmer of truth through that mass of grey matter between his ears. ("He is SO smart!", all the lefty sheeple say.) He, of course, still spews the discredited party line, or else he would not have a job at AA .... but I am beginning to believe he might be getting it.

He said he watched Obama Deception and thought there was a lot there to be considered - and was civil to AJ.

I wonder how many of those Obamanoids who listen to Hartmann religiously, tuned into AJ after hearing him on AA?

Alex knows he has to find a way to appeal to the left ... he is smart ... he has a foot in the door ... there are chinks in BHO's armor .... one of the hallowed scions of the dems has made an overture ... THIS IS GOOD!

[setmefree]

It's typical here...if someone is a liberal, many have to jump on the wagon and call names and ridicule.  I listen to Thom everyday.  I used to listen to Alex but stopped because if someone has a different opinion, he's rude and cuts them off.  I am amazed some here are against Keith Olberman now just because he had a "liberal" on who said something questionable, yet now Micheal Weiner and Lou Dobbs are gaining credibility.  It seems to me if someone had a different view, we might try to debate and learn each side but instead it's insults and name calling.  Keith calls out more injustice and lies and mistakes more than anyone else on the MSN, and Thom Hartmann isn't rude and lets opposing sides have there time to speak.  Getting more to learn and fight the NWO isn't going to work with name calling and put downs just because someone is a lefty or a righty.

[Jackson Holly]

^^^

Watch it ... be careful ... don't get sucked into their left~right miasma ... it's a total swamp of quicksand.

'They' own the Big Media ... just as they own Big Military and Big Government ... and they seek to control BOTH SIDES.

There is no difference from their viewpoint between Thom and Rush.

BUT ... AJ is not a controlled entity ... he is a loose cannon ... they are trying to dampen his impact by more-and-more usurping/supplanting his message and rhetoric.

[Tonkah]

OK Noel I'll just shut the f**ck up bcos, well, you said so...right. Why is it that when faced with an opposing view you high-strung types want everyone to shut up? Isn't this infowar about the exchange of ideas and challenging the status quo? If being an American was about shutting up and falling in line then I may as well join the Obama Secure Corp. What the hell is you version of freedom, Noel?

That being said, this man 'doesn't have to sit there and listen to anyone'. He's there bcos this is the forum he CHOSE to convey his ideas. But what does he say when he's there? Does he talk Bilderberg, CFR, Rothchild, Banking Cartel? Or is it a fluff piece using vague, indirect terminology like "big government corruption" and "corporate misconduct"? Thats the truth mister. How many times have you heard the judge tell the FOX audience how the Federal Reserve is run by multinational private corporations who in turn, are the real power in politics, government, and economics? This is conspiracy theory 101 Noel, you mean to tell me the judge doesn't know these things?

Of course it's counterproductive to come on the Alex Jones show and preach to us about things we're well aware of. Thats the whole point Noel, TELL IT TO THE DRONES WHO WATCH FOX NEWS!! But he hasn't done it has he?  And with an unusual name like Napolitano who's to say he's not related to the Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano? Now thats conjecture and purely speculative but I say it to emphasize the fact that you really don't know sh*t about this guy. But bcos AJ says he's cool thats all one needs to know, right?  In the run up to the invasion of Iraq I didn't hear any of these people you so highly regard saying shit!! After the smoke cleared on 911 I didn't hear them say shit then either!! Did they tell the world the war on terror was phony? Nope. The most in-your-face examples of false flag attacks and none of them made a peep. A true leader, Noel, will speak the truth when it's unpopular and no one else is there to back him up (say um,Alex Jones). Everyone's a 'Patriot Poser'  these days, so who gives a sh*t if Napolitano spews a word of wisdom here and there on an alternative radio program. The reason people like him are needed is bcos of the access he has to the mainstream media to make this message mainstream. If he's not going to do that then however much it may hurt to hear it, Noel, we don't need him.
Christ, it never ceases to amaze me how sheepish in your thinking some of you so called patriots are.

[Tonkah]

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[stella]

I think its something he's trying to figure out - finding a way to get his message out to more people, thorough more avenues, while having to navigate through the BS left-right paradigm.  Clearly the MSM (including Fox) wants to pin us all into the label of rightwing extrememists, making it easy to write us off. 

These guys - I don't know that much about them, but from the things I've heard them say (at least Hartman and Napolitano), they seem to have views that will appeal more to independents, rather than lefts or rights.

I've always considered myself an independent and was appalled at the idea of people who tended to agree with anything as long as it was what was being touted by the party.  I would watch Fox, CNN, BBC, and was never too pleased with anything I heard but I watched because I felt like I had no choice - if I wanted information, I had to.  I think its people like that that Alex is looking for - they might hear his message even if the host disagrees or misconstrues what he says.

I found Alex through the 9-11 truth stuff on youtube, as I suspect many of us have, but I think that's a bad starting place for a lot of people, as it tends to scare them off.  A better starting place might be learning about the Federal Reserve or the Bilderberg group.  These guys having Alex on might not be telling the truth about these things themselves but, by having him on, they are at least willing to let their audience in on it. 

[Tonkah]

I am with you for the most part stella. The part that troubles me is the sudden 'willingness' of the media to have this message heard on their networks. It's as if everyone 'gets it' all of a sudden but in reality that almost never happens. Besides, anyone can admit to government corruption but if FOX doesn't admit the fundamentals, ie. Federal Reserve/Corporate command structure, then people wont really grasp whats at the root of the dilemma.

[africknamerican]

\Just recently, I remember listening to the show when Alex talked about Mancow basically saying he was a crazy for believing there was a conspiracy aimed at establishing a world government. But somehow within a matter of months he's a full-fledged patriot leader in the fight against tyranny? Thats what we're to believe. Here's just a couple links to demonstrate what this guy mancow is really about for those who don't already know. I did a 20 second google search but I'm certain anyone interested enough can find plenty more, and more damning than this.

 http://www.infowars.com/mancow-frank-caliendo-prank-alex-jones/
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/planet_mancow_show_features_infowars_team_member.htm

I wonder about Mancow too. I live in Chicago and I've listened to him for years. He still does a syndicated show, although I only listen to the 2-hour local show he does. I appreciate the fact that he has AJ on (and before that he used to have David J. Smith). He's been dropping little soundbites and interviews about the NWO into his show from the beginning. But he seems to enjoy straddling that fence between patriot and standard neocon, especially since he got the Fox gig. Recently, on his local show, I heard him say Obama is a "Radical Muslim." Sounds like he's trying to out-Savage Savage. Seems to be an opportunist and a lot of what he does is strictly for the shock value. But I guess opportunists can be used .....