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« Reply #3160 on: July 16, 2009, 10:07:57 AM »

But the VP does not deny the value of a human being. It devaluates money and the scarcity system as obsolete and advocates a more HUMANe economics based on sharing. If anything, it might be against private property and too much wealth in one hands, but was Jesus an advocate for amassing huge wealth? I don't think so. No one is trying to dehumanize anyone here, we're just pointing at the flaws of the Adam Smith style economic system.

The current monetary system isn't the problem, it's those who run it.

Fact remains is that the Venus Project is an elitist wet dream that they could easily co-opt, infiltrate and twist into what they've been planning all along; A chipped cashless society in compact megacities enforced with militaristic police, youth stasi fulfilling daily quotas, re-education centres, population managed through force abortions, sterilisations and diseases, fake 'block wars' with other megacities and mass public trials and executions topped off with bread & circuses.

The Venus Project is the most successful when it's scale models and propaganda videos.

And I for one won't stand for it, period.
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« Reply #3161 on: July 16, 2009, 10:18:54 AM »

Hey folks! I never bought into the Zeitgeist anything. The first one he made was to smooze the truthers. The 2nd one he made was what he really believed and one could tell it by only the opening bizarre scenes. This is how people that deceive operate. They start off telling a little truth, then when they get you sucked in, they spout their crazy views on things (like similar to the MSM).

Ignore Zeitgeist and this guy and move on! This is a New Ager view of things, IMO. Sure he may mix some things into it that are real, but the underlying thinking of this guy is New Age, and thus IMO deceptive or not focused on the right things we need to pay attention to, in order to get the thugs out of our business.

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« Reply #3162 on: July 16, 2009, 06:15:33 PM »

But the VP does not deny the value of a human being. It devaluates money and the scarcity system as obsolete and advocates a more HUMANe economics based on sharing. If anything, it might be against private property and too much wealth in one hands, but was Jesus an advocate for amassing huge wealth? I don't think so. No one is trying to dehumanize anyone here, we're just pointing at the flaws of the Adam Smith style economic system.


oh come on, be real.

the zeitgeist movement believes that individual human rights are dangerous, and that a scientific intellectual elite should arbitrarily decide what we are entitled to, you could argue that is not devaluing the life of a human being, but it certainly does not hold the individual to be sovereign, how could it?

as for the z movements views on monetary issues, its a joke, we're gonna all share are we? the machines are gonna provide for us? fact is, money is not your enemy, the abuse and manipulation of money is, and as for jesus, he knew this, its called usury.

jesus advocated living a simple life, consider the flowers, the birds...do they have jobs? (paraphrase).

but you find me where he said we should go out and force people to live that way? i'll think you'll find he told us to lead by example, not force everyone to share.
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« Reply #3163 on: July 16, 2009, 10:53:51 PM »

The current monetary system isn't the problem, it's those who run it.

Fact remains is that the Venus Project is an elitist wet dream that they could easily co-opt, infiltrate and twist into what they've been planning all along; A chipped cashless society in compact megacities enforced with militaristic police, youth stasi fulfilling daily quotas, re-education centres, population managed through force abortions, sterilisations and diseases, fake 'block wars' with other megacities and mass public trials and executions topped off with bread & circuses.

The Venus Project is the most successful when it's scale models and propaganda videos.

And I for one won't stand for it, period.

Indeed. 

The current monetary system isn't the problem, it's those who run it.


Once again....the enlightened ones.  Ole Brenton never could answer who 'they' were that would make all the decisions for everyone else.  I'll give you 3 guesses (and the first 2 don't count.   Wink
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« Reply #3164 on: July 27, 2009, 10:28:14 PM »

Next thing he'll be saying that there is no New World Order.
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« Reply #3165 on: August 12, 2009, 02:27:52 AM »

Got into a minor argument with a troll on an Alex Jones video.

He was saying that he likes to troll people because Alex complains too much and nothing ever changes with his efforts. So I tell him to unscribe if he is sick of hearing complaining -- to which he answers that he will not unsubscribe, as he enjoys trolling people too much who listen to Alex Jones.

I tell him "Go out and change the world how you want to see it then, otherwise shut up because I'm tired of hearing YOU complain."

To which he answers... "well i got one solution
                                 it's the venus project.
                                 tell me what you think about it"

 Cheesy

These people... I tell yah. Can't they think for themselves? Or is that just too hard/scary of an idea to put into practice.

Looking at his profile he just made this comment on another video:

"i just got a private message that the venus project is illumaniti controlled, but i'm still waiting for some proof from this user "
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« Reply #3166 on: August 13, 2009, 05:10:00 AM »

In fact, it is just the opposite of that in that Mystery Babylon (the belief system of the New World Order) is diametrically opposed to Biblical Christianity because they believe that Christianity usurped THEIR religion.  The Pharisees etc hated Jesus because they were convinced he did his miracles via occult power....and not divine power.  Hence Simon Magus wanted to 'buy' some of that miraculous power.  Jesus saw them for what they really were and called them out.  You are correct in that 'religion' has been used as a tool throughout history, but religion is not the same thing as 'faith'.  Religion is man's idea of 'reaching' GOD, or becoming GOD.  Do this, don't do that, etc.  Faith is a 'relationship', not just 'doing' certain things.  Wink
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« Reply #3167 on: September 14, 2009, 04:58:37 AM »

"The 'Real' Zeitgeist Challenge" DEBUNKED (1 of 10) Peter Joseph interviews Acharya S
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Chris White debunks a recent interview that Peter Joseph The director of the Zeitgeist Movie does with Acharya S (or Dorthy D.M. Murdock) the main source for the movies claims about Jesus.
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« Reply #3168 on: September 22, 2009, 10:48:41 AM »

I'm surprised this thread is still going, afterall Zit-giest got debunked ages ago.
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« Reply #3169 on: September 23, 2009, 07:06:16 AM »

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« Reply #3170 on: October 30, 2009, 09:29:01 AM »

I'm surprised this thread is still going, afterall Zit-giest got debunked ages ago.

it may have been "debunked" to you fundamentalists, but it sure did wake up millions of people to the NWO!
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« Reply #3171 on: October 30, 2009, 10:06:12 AM »

Peter Joseph is more socialistic than most of you here, and is not a christian, obviously. This makes him actually more popular for the people in Europe (or at least here in Czech Republic) who would, exactly as you dismiss Joseph, readily refuse the many christian laced anti-NOW movies as superstition and religious propaganda. That it is not the movie or the way for you does not mean it is not a way for someone else.
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« Reply #3172 on: October 30, 2009, 10:18:28 AM »

Peter Joseph is more socialistic than most of you here, and is not a christian, obviously. This makes him actually more popular for the people in Europe (or at least here in Czech Republic) who would, exactly as you dismiss Joseph, readily refuse the many christian laced anti-NOW movies as superstition and religious propaganda. That it is not the movie or the way for you does not mean it is not a way for someone else.

the zeitgeist movies themselves are religious movies and propaganda. the movies and Josephs projects are pure theosophy based.
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« Reply #3173 on: October 30, 2009, 10:23:41 AM »

Is the philosophy that "we are all one" a religion or something more akin to science, based on experience or at least the rational ideas of evolved humanism? It certainly does not carry with itself the trappings and evils of organized religion abused. I agree it might, if it is misused and misinterpreted. But that happens to the best of ideas, and it's not a reason not to promote them, see Christianity as a shining example.

And even if we agree that it is religion, it does not devaluate my statement. Here in Czech Republic, the religion of Zeitgeist evidently carries more weight than the religion of protestant or catholic Christianity, generally speaking; therefore movies based on such religion will be dismissed, while Zeitgeist can capture the hearts and awaken the minds of our people.

(By the way, we are, nominally, the most atheistic country in the world. In reality, we are the most New Age/alternative spirituality one. And no, we don't have goat sacrifices going in public, we don't do black masses and we still have the institution of familly)
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« Reply #3174 on: October 30, 2009, 10:25:55 AM »

Is the philosophy that "we are all one" a religion or something more akin to science, based on experience or at least the rational ideas of evolved humanism? It certainly does not carry with itself the trappings and evils of organized religion abused. I agree it might, if it is misused and misinterpreted. But that happens to the best of ideas, and it's not a reason not to promote them, see Christianity as a shining example.

see the writings of Blavatsky. then figure out just who Peter worships. Also he had the Maitreya open Zeit II.  Cheesy how much more new-age indoctrination do you need.
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I have not read much of Blavatski, but it is my understanding that she uses the name "Lucifer" in the same way Eliphas Levi used it - as a metaphor, the fallen angel as an embodiment of a progress of some kind,  his soar through the skies as the wind of change. They were not Satanists, they condemned satanism, both of them, I think. Their (or at least Levi's) Lucifer works on behalf of God to bring test to Man and to elevate him from his current state. Levi was, in essence a christian Heretic in his own time, but he was not a Satanist. People like them differ in seeing the Fall of Man as good, or at least necessary, and as leading to great things, unlike the stagnation that was, according to them, the state of Man in Paradise. I don't completely agree with them on these matters, but I don't go out condemning them for it.

And I would never say that Joseph worships Lucifer. He is too anti-religious to accept something like Lucifer worship, in either the traditional Christian, or the Levi way, as evidenced by his movies, especially the original Zeitgeist.

By the way, see "The Testament of Liberty," a political, non occultic book by Levi, to see that he would never agree with a global tyranny and that he condemned the ossified political climate of his age.

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« Reply #3176 on: October 30, 2009, 10:55:13 AM »

I have not read much of Blavatski, but it is my understanding that she uses the name "Lucifer" in the same way Eliphas Levi used it - as a metaphor, the fallen angel as an embodiment of a progress of some kind,  his soar through the skies as the wind of change. They were not Satanists, they condemned satanism, both of them, I think. Their (or at least Levi's) Lucifer works on behalf of God to bring test to Man and to elevate him from his current state. Levi was, in essence a christian Heretic in his own time, but he was not a Satanist. People like them differ in seeing the Fall of Man as good, or at least necessary, and as leading to great things, unlike the stagnation that was, according to them, the state of Man in Paradise. I don't completely agree with them on these matters, but I don't go out condemning them for it.

And I would never say that Joseph worships Lucifer. He is too anti-religious to accept something like Lucifer worship, in either the traditional Christian, or the Levi way, as evidenced by his movies, especially the original Zeitgeist.

By the way, see "The Testament of Liberty," a political, non occultic book by Levi, to see that he would never agree with a global tyranny and that he condemned the ossified political climate of his age.



well lets see here some of the things Blavatsky has said.

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While Christianity views Lucifer as the personification of evil, the esoteric teachings of the occult and the New Age movement embrace him as an agent of intellectual and spiritual freedom. Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, the "mother" of the New Age movement and modern occultism, taught in her Secret Doctrine that Lucifer was "higher and older than Jehovah, and had to be sacrificed to the new dogma" of the Church. She further expressed in her "great work" that Satan, under different god-names, is really an allegory of "Good, and Sacrifice, a God of Wisdom." Blavatsky believed that Satan was the only god of earth, "is one with the Logos," and is the "cosmic reflection of God."

Blavatsky also equated Lucifer with Jesus Christ. This thinking is partially derived from various mystical interpretations of God’s Word. In Revelation 22:16 Jesus is called the "bright and morning star," and in Isaiah Lucifer is referred to as the "son of the morning" (the NIV also says "son of the dawn"). Mystically and astrologically speaking, the bright and morning star is Venus, which, in the teachings of occult schools, is symbolically Lucifer. And in the solar cults, the morning star is frequently referred to as the Sun, or "son" of the morning, and "son of god." According to Blavatsky’s esoteric theology, "Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the ‘Holy Ghost’ and ‘Satan,’ at one and the same time…" Her Secret Doctrine further stated,

"And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon, the 'Lord of Phosphorus,' and Lucifer, or 'Light-Bearer,' is in us: it is our Mind – our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour from pure animalism." (Vol. 2, p. 513)

Thankfully the Bible sets the record straight, and in a very simple and non-confusing manner: 2 Corinthians 11:14 tells us: "for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."

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On Shares international website they admit – “The existence of great spiritual teachers, known as the Masters of Wisdom, became public knowledge in 1875 through the writings of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, founder of the Theosophical Society (“ Highlights of Maitreya's public emergence”) http://www.shareintl.org/maitreya/Ma_emerge.htm)

Helena Blavatsky did not agree with the Bibles position at all and spoke of the coming world ruler of the New Age as the “serpent” from the garden.


So we can see here that She in fact does endorce Satan as her one and only. Lets see what some of her followers have said in relation to this, shall we?

THE LUCIFERIC INITIATION

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Madame Blavatsky

Although the Masonic rites of initiation bring men into spiritual bondage to Satan, the grand matron of Theosophy, Mme. Blavatsky complains that they fall short of the ultimate rites of passage which were practiced in ancient times.

"There exists at present but one kind of initiation known to the public, namely that into the Masonic rites. Masonry, however, has no more secrets to give out or conceal. In the palmy days of old, the Mysteries, according to the greatest Greek and Roman philosophers, were the most sacred of all solemnities as well as the most beneficent, and greatly promoted virtue. The Mysteries represented the passage from mortal life into finite death, and the experiences of the disembodied Spirit and Soul in the world of subjectivity."

In other words, it is not enough that men have been bound by oaths and baptized into the sun-god, Osiris, but they must also undergo a near-death, out-of-body experience. In 1891, Madame Blavatsky was succeeded as head of the Theosophical Society by Annie Besant, whose influence, according to the author of The Occult Underground would commence the fulfillment of Blavatsky's dream. James Webb explains:

"Under the direction of Mrs. Besant and (Charles Leadbeater), the character of the Society began slowly to change. At first this change was gradual, and consisted in an amplification of the teachings of Madame Blavatsky… An aspirant after spiritual glory could apply to one of the Masters to be accepted as a pupil. In theory it was then a matter of his own efforts to rise through a series of 'initiations,' each initiation being the gateway to a higher, or more extensive state of consciousness. As the Masters were visited in the astral body while the physical body of the chela lay asleep, it in fact depended on a clairvoyant authority to intimate that progress had been made." (1)

 

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The Initiation of Hitler

 

The writings of Blavatsky, Besant and Leadbeater were translated and published in German, giving inspiration for the formation of other Theosophy-based groups in Germany and Austria. Several of these societies would provide the philosophical framework for Nazism. One of these was the Thule Society, formed in 1912, whose prominent leaders included Rudolph Hess and Dietrich Eckart. A famous member of the Thule Society, Adolf Hitler, underwent a Luciferic initiation assisted by his spiritual mentor, Dietrich Eckart. In Hitler And The New Age, author Bob Rosio recorded the words of Meister Eckart:

"I shall have influenced history more than any other German. Follow Hitler! I have initiated him into the secret doctrine, opened his centers to vision and given him the means to communicate with the powers." (2)

Rosio explains this as a Luciferic initiation:

"He established communication with Lucifer, from whom he openly coveted possession…entering into the service of Satan through a Luciferic initiation." (3)

Rosio briefly reviewed the tragic holocaust of human lives, not only of Jewry but of Hitler's own Aryan race. Beyond these well-known facts, however, Rosio interpreted for the reader Hitler's true motive according to the "secret doctrine" of Satan.

"Robert Cecil said, 'The Blood of Christ was replaced by the blood of the German war dead.' Their true value to Hitler was as a sacrifice to the blood-thirsty god he served. 'From the Mayas to the Nazis, the shedding of blood to attract the attention of indifferent powers was the magic significance of human sacrifice.' 'He would have sacrificed the happiness of the whole human race if ordered to do so by the mysterious Force whose commands he obeyed.' This mentality caused Hitler to say, 'Our losses never seem to be high enough.' He had realized that Satan's thirst for sacrificial death was unquenchable. It also explains why Hitler's own bloodlust increased to a frenzy as the end was in sight.

"Hitler's war in Russia illustrated his total confidence in the occult powers which owned him and his willingness to sacrifice human lives. Hitler believed that his covenant with the occult powers enabled him to control the weather. He felt that the Russian winter would melt away before him as his forces invaded Russia. This belief was based on the occult theory of fire and ice. Hitler would be fire. Russia would be ice. He boldly sent his armies into Russia with no winter clothes and against the advice of his general staff. When the German offensive began to falter and young Germans began to die by the thousands, his generals begged him to order a retreat. Instead Hitler said 'Attack! As to the cold, I will see to that.' When the German offensive was halted within sight of Moscow, Hitler saw it only as a test, requiring more human sacrifice. He saw Stalingrad, however, as the true test, recognizing Stalingrad as the sacred city of the ancient Aryans. He felt that no amount of human suffering or death was too high a price to pay for its conquest, that if he were faithful to Satan at Stalingrad, he would be given final victory…" (4)

We should not fail to relate Hitler's metaphoric view of himself as "fire" to the present Charismatic "Revival of Fire" and also to the pagan worship of the solar god. The Theosophical Glossary defines Fire thus:

"(Living). A figure of speech to denote deity, the 'One' life. A theurgic term, used later by the Rosicrucians. The symbol of the living fire is the sun, certain of whose rays develope the fire of life in a diseased body, impart the knowledge of the future to the sluggish mind, and stimulate to active function certain psychic and generally dormant faculty in man. The meaning is very occult."

Exoterically, the nation of Germany was led to believe that the gods were purifying the human race; esoterically understood, however, they were beginning the process of annihilating mankind.

"…the word 'holocaust,' comes from a third century Greek word 'Holokaustos,' referring to 'the burnt sacrificial offering of the Jews dedicated exclusively to God.' The Holocaust was Hitler's fiery offering of human sacrifice to Satan, just as in the days of the heathen Amorite god, Moloch. The bloodlust of the coming Anti-christ will continue in the tradition set by Hitler making Hitler's incredible hate seem moderate in comparison." (5)

The ritual phallic cults throughout history have also engaged in human sacrifice. The ancient ruins of Stonehenge in England, revered in occult lore, are eerie monuments to the Druidic custom of human sacrifice. The noble savages, glorified by Robert Hicks, are clearly identified with this barbaric Druidic custom. In The Trojan Horse: How The New Age Movement Infiltrates The Church, Brenda Scott and Samantha Smith present a very different view of the noble savage than does Margaret Mead.

"Stuart Piggott, a respected archaeologist and recognized authority on Celtic history, agrees: ‘It is hardly realistic to exculpate the Druids from participation, probably active, in both the beliefs and practices involved in human sacrifice… The Druids were the wise men of barbarian Celtic society, and Celtic religion was their religion, with all its crudities. It is sheer romanticism and a capitulation to the myth of the noble savage to imagine that they stood by the sacrifices duty bound, but with disapproval on their faces and elevated thoughts in their minds.’" (6)

Scott and Smith also associate the Order of Freemasons and the British Royal Family with the Druid tradition:

"Druid traditions were also preserved with Freemasonry, which is thought to have evolved from the Druids or at least alongside of them. This connection is addressed in Gould's History of Freemasonry. (James Bonwick, Irish Druids and Old Irish Religions, Salem N.H.: Ayer Co., 1984, p. 71) The three part structure of the masons is identical to the three offices of druidic priesthood: Ovates, Bards, and Druids. Also, ‘the secret teachings embodied therein are practically the same as the mysteries concealed under the allegories of Blue Lodge masonry.’ (Manly P. Hall, An Encyclopedic Outline of Masonic, Hermetic, Qabbalist and Rosicrucian Symbolic Philosophy, Los Angeles: The Philosophical Research Soc., 1977, XXIII).

"Political and religious suppression forced the Druids to go underground. Many thought that the religion had disappeared, but it survived, handed down within families and villages to resurface again in the early eighteenth century. There are three main druidic colleges. . .In fact, druidism has become so accepted socially that Queen Elizabeth II and the Prince of Wales both accepted posts as honorary Druids in the Wales Gorsedd. (Sophie Moore, The Gnosis Interview). . .By 1988, there were estimated to be over one million adepts (spiritual masters) and the movement is growing." (7)

 

Global Initiation

 

We have seen the ark in the Kabbalist's sanctuary, not as a type of Jesus Christ, but as the womb of the earth. Should an obelisk (image of Hermes Trismegistus) be set up in the Holy Place, in metaphysical wisdom, this would signal the process of initiating mankind into the deep mysteries of Satan and thereby bring God's judgment on planet Earth. Of course, the candidates of this global initiation would be told that a "death experience" precedes resurrection to the state of Nirvãnã or the Sabbath rest. (cf., Heaven's Gate)

New Age mystics past and present have written books proclaiming that the world is being prepared for a large scale initiation rite or union with "the Christ." Wendy B. Howard of Endtime Ministries recently attended the "First Religion and Cultural Diversity Conference" in Melbourne, Australia. She reported the attendance of many religious dignitaries of global reputation who have succumbed to the Gnostic influence of Matthew Fox.

"At Parliament House in Melbourne, I spoke with two high level priests of the Anglican church, Archbishop Peter Hollingworth, who is a committee member of the New World Order’s Commission for the Future, and the Assist. Bishop of Perth, David Murray - both are avid followers of the New Age ex-Dominican Matthew Fox. Fox who teaches that there was no Fall, no Redemption, and celebrates earth worship, adores 'Mother Nature', embraces occultism and believes in mass murder by the "shrinking" of the population of the earth! Fox who is a friend of the Luciferian David Spangler who advocates that all people on earth should undergo the Luciferian initiation!" (Cool

And what is the gospel according to David Spangler?

"Lucifer works within each of us to bring us to wholeness, and as we move into a New Age…each of us in some way is brought to that point which I term the Luciferic Initiation, the particular doorway through which the individual must pass if he is to come fully into the presence of his light and wholenesss. Lucifer prepares man in all ways for the experience of Christhood… The light that reveals to us the presence of the Christ…comes from Lucifer. He is the light-giver, he is aptly named the Morning Star because it is his light that heralds for man the dawn of a great consciousness …He stands…as the Great Initiator, the one who hands the soul over to the Christ." (9)

In evangelical circles, Lucifer is acquiring a new image. Modern bibles now designate Lucifer "the morning star," replacing his true identity as "son of the morning" in Isaiah 14:12. The NIV and NASB also dispense with "day star" in II Peter 1:19, encouraging readers to wait "…until the day dawn and the morning star arise in your hearts."

Jay Gary is a dynamic leader in ministries such as Campus Crusade for Christ, Billy Graham's Lausanne Committee for Worldwide Evangelization, GCOWE, March For Jesus, and YWAM. Addressing an Adopt-A-People Consultation in 1994, Gary recommended books of David Spangler-referring to this Luciferian as "one of the best." (10)

One speaker at the recent Melbourne conference actually identified the Masonic orders as the hidden hand guiding mankind into the church of Lucifer: "One of the long-standing goals of the Masonic New World Order seems finally within grasp: its one-world church, in the making for over 150 years, is about to become institutionalized as the United Religions Organization - the UR."

In The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom, Benjamin Crème stated, "Through the Masonic initiation and certain esoteric groups will come the process of initiation. In this coming age millions of people will take the first and second initiation through these transformed and purified institutions." (11)

Bob Rosio emphasized that the Holocaust was a mere dress rehearsal for the Final Solution which will well-nigh succeed under the rule of Antichrist. The opening performance is scheduled to begin after Lucifer has been properly summoned to play the leading role:

"Those who form the core of occultism in the New Age movement also stress that the New Age they are promoting will come about through an ongoing invocation of Lucifer. The stress that all those who enter this New Age will enter it through a Luciferic initiation, just as Hitler did." (12)

Presently, as we hear of Christian convocation after convocation calling down "The Fire," we recall Madame Blavatsky's definition of the very occult meaning of "fire" as "…a figure of speech to denote deity, the 'One' life. A theurgic term, used later by the Rosicrucians." Promotional materials for the "Crown Him" Convocation scheduled in November 1997 boasted of celebrity endorsements such as Israeli leader Moshen Demian, who, as a "Father" at the Canadian Whistler Gathering, blew the Shofar trumpet to "consecrate the meeting," the "new moon," "the seasons," "the Sabbath," with the lame excuse:

"…the cults do it, the unbelievers do it, how much more should the Christians do it.

Even now, Lucifer is regularly invoked by New Agers and Christians alike, bringing about the revelation of the Antichrist indwelt by Satan. At the proper time, Lucifer and the Spiritual Hierarchy will appear:

"The Masters of Wisdom… will restore upon earth the ancient mysteries and institute again the order of initiation." (13)

 

Death ~ The Great Adventure

 Alice Anne Bailey

Chapters 7 and 11 of Daniel, Matthew 24 and the book of Revelation describe multitudes who will be slain for refusing the mark, number and name of the Beast. Assorted New Agers have estimated that two to five billion people will be eradicated to purify the human race. However, in Matthew 24:22, Jesus states that after the Abomination of Desolation stands in the Holy Place, "Except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved." Hear the modern hierophants, who reveal how one billion or so "Elect" will finally enter the New Age:

Alice Bailey, successor to Annie Besant as president of the Theosophical Society, wrote:

"Man understands meaning when he identifies with his soul and not his form: then he will deliberately choose to die." (14)

Richard Kirby of the Society For Promoting Christian Knowledge wrote:

"Christians know that a man must die to himself before he can...be born again in spirit. It may well be that mankind as a whole must be crucified, even unto death, before coming into its inheritance…Christians can say with Teilhard de Chardin, that death itself is beneficent, the only way to grow beyond forms which have served their limited purpose..., but with the serious and the worried, they look upon the possible extermination of the human race secure in the knowledge that it could be but a prelude to the resurrection of the species." (15)

In Esoteric Christianity, Annie Besant delineated the "Law of Sacrifice" which underwrites the "hope" that is given to the deluded souls who will literally "choose to die" at the planned extermination of the human race:

"We can trace in the religions of the world four great stages of instruction in the Law of Sacrifice. First, man was taught to sacrifice part of his material possession in order to gain increased material prosperity…Secondly…instead of physical prosperity and worldly good, the fruit to be gained by sacrifice was celestial bliss. The third lesson came when a man, seeing himself as part of a greater life, was willing to sacrifice himself for the good of the whole…The hero-soul thus trained was ready for the fourth lesson; that sacrifice…is to be offered because the Spirit is not really separate but is part of the divine Life, and…the man pours himself forth as part of the Life Universal, and in the expression of that Life he shares the joy of his Lord…"

Those who receive the strong delusion of their own divinity will be properly initiated so that they may become "Christs" and saviors of mankind. Richard Kirby, of the Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge, wrote The Mission of Mysticism in 1979 in order to introduce the Gnostic concept of Christhood to the Church:

"The biggest change which Christianity needs to make is toward the teaching that all men must be like Christ, must become Christs in due season, and that the faith must be built on a personal relationship with the risen Christ." (16)

The Suitable Helpers newsletter for women participating in Promise Keepers echoes Annie Besant and Richard Kirby:

"Our Lord is calling out a great host of men ready and willing to become ‘Christs’ in their homes: Promise Keepers. In grand bold sweeps, God is mustering an army." (17)

Spiritually aligned with the secret societies, Promise Keepers is even now preparing men through mass initiations to join the army of saviors of mankind, the Guardians of a new Christianity in the coming New Age.

Like Promise Keepers, Annie Besant cloaks the devouring wolf in sheepskin, by appealing to "the man Jesus" as the model of literal self-sacrifice:

"An over-mastering conviction, an imperious voice, calls on him to surrender his very life. If he shrinks back, he must go on in the life of sensation, the life of the intellect, the life of the world…

"We have seen how the man Jesus, the Hebrew disciple, laid down His body in glad surrender that a higher Life might descend and become embodied in the form. He thus willingly sacrificed, and how by that act He became a Christ of full stature, to be the Guardian of Christianity, and to pour out His life into the great religion founded by the Mighty One with whom the sacrifice had identified Him…None can become fully a Saviour of men nor sympathize perfectly with all human suffering, unless he has faced and conquered pain and fear and death unaided …Into that darkness every Son of Man goes down, ere he rises triumphant; that bitterest experience is tasted by every Christ, ere he is 'able to save them to the uttermost' who seek the Divine through him.

"Such a one has become truly divine, a Saviour of men, and he takes up the world-work for which all this has been the preparation... Thus he becomes one of the Peace-centres of the world, which transmute the forces of combat that would otherwise crush man. For the Christs of the world are these Peace-centres into which pour all warring forces, to be changed within them and then poured out as forces that work for harmony. Part of the sufferings of the Christ not yet perfect lies in this harmonizing of the discord-making forces in the world…Those who would prepare to rise to such a life in the future must begin even now to tread in the lower life the path of the Shadow of the Cross. Nor should they doubt their power to rise, for to do so is to doubt the God within them." (18)

The mass suicides of Heaven's Gate and Jim Jones cults were but miniatures of the outcome of a global Luciferic initiation. Current testimonies abound of near-death experiences which invariably describe an encounter with a Being of Light who sends reluctant souls back to earth to assure others that there is no judgment after death. New views of death are formed through the corroboration of stories of a benign Judge and afterlife. Alice Bailey even called Death: The Great Adventure and comforts future victims of this strong delusion with these words:

"Our ideas about death have been erroneous; we have looked upon it as the great and ultimate terror, whereas in reality it is the great escape… it marks a definite transition from one state of consciousness into another…This, our present cycle, is the end of the age, and the next two hundred years will see the abolition of death, as we now understand that great transition, and the establishing of the fact of the souls existence…" (19)

 

 

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FOOTNOTES

James Webb, The Occult Underground, Open Court Press, 1974, p. 98.
Bob Rosio, Hitler & The New Age, Huntington House, 1993, p. 144.
Hitler & The New Age, p. 137.
Hitler & The New Age, pp. 176-177.
Hitler & The New Age, p. 50.
Brenda Scott & Samantha Smith, The Trojan Horse: How the New Age Movement Infiltrates the Church, Huntington House:1993, p. 51.
Trojan Horse, pp. 59, 60.
W.B. Howard, Endtime Ministries, P.O. Box 238, Landsborough, Queensland, 4550.
Cathy Burns: Jay Gary, The Millennium Doctor, pp. 2,3.
Jay Gary, "The Power of A.D. 2000" cassette tape, Address to Adopt-A-People Consultation, 1994.
Benjamin Crème, The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom, p. 84.
Hitler and the New Age, pp. 137-138.
Alice Bailey, Esoteric Psychology, Vol. II, Lucis Pub., 1942, pp. 656-657.
Alice Bailey, Esoteric Psychology, 1942, p. 94
Richard Kirby, The Mission of Mysticism, Society For Promoting Christian Knowledge, 1979, pp. 201, 202.
The Mission of Mysticism, p. 116.
Suitable Helpers newsletter, February, 1995.
Annie Besant, Esoteric Christianity, Theosophical Pub., 1901, pp.145-56
Alice Bailey, Death: The Great Adventure, Lucis Pub., 1985, 1990, Introductions to Parts I, II, VIII.
 
In the first film all of the anti-christian theology came from Theosophists. And you can see just what they believe. ZII opened with the Maitreya from the 1920's. Come on,  Grin If you dont know anything about the Maitreya please read this.
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« Reply #3177 on: October 30, 2009, 11:32:57 AM »

Since there is much unknown between those lines, we can not be sure what these people truly meant. Perhaps the intention of Hitler's initiator was something else, perhaps Hitler was really just insane, or he simply later made himself into a vessel of the demonic. Also, notice that Bailey and others, while preaching about sacrifice, does not say anything about the global elimination of people. Her writings are aimed at an individual. The conclusions that they all serve evil are drawn by the commentator.

I am not a Luciferian, but I will not condemn and ideology, though it uses Luciferian symbolism, unless it deserves condemnation based on the content of that ideology. E.g. If they say "fulfill your earthly pleasure, abandon all spiritual efforts, surrender to superstition and to evil spirits, rebel against God," then it is quite clear where their aims go, and I will start doubting the teachings, rejecting them, even. But nowhere in the original texts of your post does Annie Bessant or anyone else say things like this, apart of the obviously insane Hitler (and most likely Rosio) and his quite exoteric understanding of sacrifice.

Oh and by the way Hitler's Ice and Fire theory was not as much occultic as it was plain nuts. Smiley

I am not saying that I understand what Master Jesus's mission was, my understanding of his purpose is not good enough to make an opinion for myself on the meaning of his sacrifice, the true, inner meanings that are relevant for the soul. Baley and others, apparently, thought that their understanding was good enough to interpret it and to build a philosophy on it. Well, good for her, perhaps she was right, perhaps she was wrong, but I will not go out condemning people for their convictions unless their, forgive me the word, evil intent is obviously revealed.

For me, the interpretation of the Bible is not a clear affair. Ever heard of Preteritism, for example? On the exoteric level, I see no fault in their interpretation, as it is the only one that does not make Jesus into a liar ("I will return before this generation passes..."), and also show God in a much more loving light. But as things are, the Preteritists might have it also wrong. Only through understanding (Holy Spirit) can one interpret the scriptures, and I am the first to admit my imperfection in this matter; but I would be a fool to surrender my chance for personal understanding and interpretation for the comfort of parroting the beliefs of others.

This is my take on this topic. Therefore, I do not go condemning beliefs of others when their fruits seem to be just, or at least their aims, just because they are apparently in contradiction with the Bible. Perhaps, when I understand the Scripture I will find out this contradiction was true and valid and will start pointing out that Joseph is decieved; or perhaps I will, as I suspect, understand that while the New Age people see things rosy and their progress is slow, as it lacks the discipline of a "sin based worldview" of the more christian thought (as opposed to what the New Agers say, that there is basically no sin) there is ultimately nothing wrong on their views.

That, however, does not mean that their teachings can not be corrupted, misused, etc., etc. Marx, for instance, never wanted a totalitarian state, and look where his teachings lead under Lenin and Stalin. But that is not a reason to condemn Marx (though in this case, there are other reasons why not to accept his views), or, in the more extreme, but here the prevalent way, to condemn the whole labor emancipation movement.
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« Reply #3178 on: October 30, 2009, 11:43:13 AM »

so you are a theosophist? yes?

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maybe you should read EXACTLY what is written before making generalizations.
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I would not say I am a theosophist. I would say I believe in the esoteric and that some of my ideas will inevitably be shared with theosophists.
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« Reply #3180 on: October 30, 2009, 11:54:55 AM »

I would not say I am a theosophist. I would say I believe in the esoteric and that some of my ideas will inevitably be shared with theosophists.

so your a theosophist IE: new-ager.

I get from your previous posts that its pretty prevailent in Eastern Europe?
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In Czech Republic, yes. The Polaks are catholics and there are many Christians in Germany, in Austria... we Czechs, however, have been shoved with religious propaganda for generations, and have become fed up with it, by and large, even to the point that many of us would abandon the true wisdom at the heart of religions, because we would sooner think that it is "yet another fanatic preaching to shut up, stop thinking, and to surrender all our worldly posessions to him" than look at things as they are, to seek the true value.

Still, we, like other people, have spiritual needs, but we find that seeking an individual path, true to our selves and our consciousnesses, is a much more preferable alternative to the submission to a spiritual dogma of the organized religion. Even those who are Christian here (give or take a few exemptions) are therefore much more tolerant, and even they, to my experience, seek a more personal way to understand their religion. I feel this might be a wave for the future, the signs of a better world to come. Not all of us are New Agers though. Some are Christian, some New Ager, some pagan or neo-pagan, and yet others detest any and all such labels.

By the way, New Ager does not equal Theosophist. New Age is a very, very fluid term, and such is also theosophy. I agree with them that the wisdom of the East should be embraced, not rejected, yet, predominantly, I seek the wisdom of western sources, as they seem to be better tailored to my western mindset. There are many, many different "denominations" within the New Age and the larger esotheric schools of thought, and not even by a close margin could all be labeled "theosophical."

On the Scriptures, sorry for misquoting. (Matthew 34): Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place.

Logically, this statement, and others, require a more esoteric understanding, or else they must already have happened, or something else entirely must be the truth, but they must not be taken at their face value, lest we find ourselves believing in Flat Earth.

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« Reply #3182 on: October 30, 2009, 12:13:40 PM »

so you have your spirit guides and all. And you like the UN, are you also a light worker?

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

its really quite simple. the generation that sees all of that happen. All of that, that the Lord discussed has not all happened.
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Yes, I can attest that; most Poles are catholic, and the second largest group would probably be atheists.

I myself grew up in christianity, but now I no longer associate with religion. I do believe in the Creator of the Universe, but I'm not really into all the folklore, churches, and all the rest of it -- especially considering all the corruption and hypocrisy. I mean, the cult of pope John Paul II was (and still is) so HUGE in Poland, it's just sick; it's almost as if he was God himself... People talk about how Obama has turned into a super celebrity; well, guess what? Obama is NOTHING compared to what the Pope was in Poland... When he died on April 2nd, 2005, the whole country went into a super massive grief for a week! Basically, for a whole week, you would hardly hear or read anything in the news besides everyone crying over the Pope's death, and talking how wonderful he was. Even atheists wouldn't talk bad about him.
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« Reply #3184 on: November 01, 2009, 04:57:40 AM »

DOK: I don't call myself a light worker, a whitelighter, etc., but I do respect the choices of people who do. Light, as a symbol of purity and of banishment of dark forces, and as a symbol of divinity, has been with us since the beginnings of human civilization.

As for spirit guides, I do believe there are incorporeal entities, and have no reason to suspect that all of them should be automatically evil. Also, I refute the deistic notions that God does not speak to us through His angels now, that the last word of God was uttered two thousand years ago and now all life is about following that single book, even if evidence shows to the contrary, and if one does not do it, then they are automatically damned; and that all beings that answer your calls and communicate with you are demons who are much more clever than you, organized, yet all defense you have against them is a narrow, single path of belief. That is NOT an evidence for a loving, good God, therefore, it can not be true.

Also, I have problems believing in eternal damnation, for whatever reason, by a loving God. Does not a parent save his child when he tries to jump under a car? The child does not know better, but this is no reason to damn him to injury or death. In the same way, humanity is nowhere near spiritual "adulthood;" the "narrow way to salvation" as preached by many contemporary churches is therefore, in my opinion, a gross misrepresentation of the word of Christ, that has lead to many evils.

In this way, the modern religious movements that dare point these simple problems are good and beneficial. That way, the idea of "we are all one" is beneficial because it expresses love, not hatred for petty differences, therefore is superior to the old notions of separation between men.
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« Reply #3185 on: November 01, 2009, 08:38:43 AM »

Dok, do you believe that Lucifer/Satan is an actual sentient entity that is able to interact with this world?

And if so, is it possible to kill him?
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« Reply #3186 on: November 01, 2009, 08:39:38 AM »

Dok, do you believe that Lucifer/Satan is an actual sentient entity that is able to interact with this world?

And if so, is it possible to kill him?

yes

not by us.
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I'm no fan of Peter Joseph (the legitimacy of his ideas are like Michael Moore's alternatives to capitalism: non-existent)..

With that said, the title of this thread is inaccurate. Joseph does think it was an inside job. He's just moving away from the subject to talk about different things. Whoever wrote this title has mis-interpreted Joseph's statements. There is no quote where Peter Joseph says, "9/11 was not an inside job" and thus, it is dishonest to say this about him.
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No in fact he dosent. Its posted some where in here, because i posted it. But he has in fact came out against that idea.
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« Reply #3189 on: November 01, 2009, 02:42:34 PM »

I'm no fan of Peter Joseph (the legitimacy of his ideas are like Michael Moore's alternatives to capitalism: non-existent)..

With that said, the title of this thread is inaccurate. Joseph does think it was an inside job. He's just moving away from the subject to talk about different things. Whoever wrote this title has mis-interpreted Joseph's statements. There is no quote where Peter Joseph says, "9/11 was not an inside job" and thus, it is dishonest to say this about him.

The former may be most famous for alleging that the attacks of Sept. 11 were an “inside job” perpetrated by a power-hungry government on its witless population, a point of view that Mr. Joseph said he has recently “moved away from.”


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That is why this thread should die too, as much nostalgic humor i find in it.
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« Reply #3191 on: November 01, 2009, 02:53:31 PM »

That is why this thread should die too, as much nostalgic humor i find in it.


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cant, one more movie still to come out.  Cheesy
And this one, I think, will get some people around here preoccupied with attacking it for some time...

It's "Zeitgeist: Tabula Rasa", right? He's going to push the idea (that's how I see it) that basically people have no free will and their behaviour is a reaction to the environment. I remember how he made a clown of himself on the Alex Jones Show when he claimed that birds build nests and spiders weave webs because of "imprinting"!  Cheesy
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« Reply #3193 on: November 01, 2009, 03:23:14 PM »

And this one, I think, will get some people around here preoccupied with attacking it for some time...

It's "Zeitgeist: Tabula Rasa", right? He's going to push the idea (that's how I see it) that basically people have no free will and their behaviour is a reaction to the environment. I remember how he made a clown of himself on the Alex Jones Show when he claimed that birds build nests and spiders weave webs because of "imprinting"!  Cheesy

Well Tabula Rasa means blank slate. The way i see it is that, ZI destroyed your beliefs, ZII wiped away any doubts you had and started you on their new-age beliefs, and ZIII will fill your clean slate back up with their new-age beliefs.

Just look at their Luminopolis programs.
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If you cant see an agenda, then the first movie and its clock work orange opening really did its job.  Wink
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I actually haven't watched any of the Zeitgeists. I watched a little of the Venus project thingy, and I have to say I really hated the pretentious, slick presentation in it.
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« Reply #3195 on: November 01, 2009, 03:30:15 PM »

I actually haven't watched any of the Zeitgeists. I watched a little of the Venus project thingy, and I have to say I really hated the pretentious, slick presentation in it.

well your not missing anything.
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That doesn't mean he no longer thinks it's an inside job. It just means he isn't covering it anymore.
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« Reply #3197 on: November 01, 2009, 04:22:45 PM »

That doesn't mean he no longer thinks it's an inside job. It just means he isn't covering it anymore.

no he moved away from it as in he dosent believe it any more. Follow the link and start reading.
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« Reply #3198 on: November 02, 2009, 04:08:39 AM »

no he moved away from it as in he dosent believe it any more. Follow the link and start reading.

I've read the piece, and you're probably right, since this is being so glowingly reviewed in the New York Times. I think someone needs to directly ask Joseph if he believes it. This would settle the score.
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