Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[BrentonEccles]

So theres no freedom for individual choice. There can be no individuals at all. we'd be a drain on the system and must be reprogrammed or recycled.

Not at all. But would you really want to cause detriment to your fellow human beings by unnecesarily hoarding resources? No, you wouldn't. You don't even want to do that now. That is what we all stand against, corporations dominating the share of resources.

[Dok]

Not at all. But would you really want to cause detriment to your fellow human beings by unnecesarily hoarding resources? No, you wouldn't. You don't even want to do that now. That is what we all stand against, corporations dominating the share of resources.

It dosent matter if i would or wouldnt, its the fact that the "choice" is taken away. Im restoring an 82 El Camino, i dont need to, i have 2 other fine vehicles. I just want to because i like the vehicle. It is actually a drain on resources, and is not needed. Yet its something i like to do. No one has the right to take away my or any one elses individual choices. Under your utopia those choices are stripped from us, making us nothing but atomatons. Its the individualism that makes us each unique. Under your system that is abolished, unless your part of the ruling elite.

[BrentonEccles]

It dosent matter if i would or wouldnt, its the fact that the "choice" is taken away. Im restoring an 82 El Camino, i dont need to, i have 2 other fine vehicles. I just want to because i like the vehicle. It is actually a drain on resources, and is not needed. Yet its something i like to do. No one has the right to take away my or any one elses individual choices. Under your utopia those choices are stripped from us, making us nothing but atomatons. Its the individualism that makes us each unique. Under your system that is abolished, unless your part of the ruling elite.

No, those choices are not stripped. But you would see others in detriment due to your greed. You wouldn't ever used 1 million frying pans, so it's really an erroneous example. Come up with a relevant example, and then we can discuss.

[Dok]

No, those choices are not stripped. But you would see others in detriment due to your greed. You wouldn't ever used 1 million frying pans, so it's really an erroneous example. Come up with a relevant example, and then we can discuss.

Sorry sport but they are stripped. Look at Cuba. Perfect example. If thats how you want to live your more than welcome to go down there and live in that enviroment. Only the ruling elite have freedom of choice and individualism. All the little masses of people are looked down upon and can only have what the state allows. Plane and simple. Your ideas arent new, they are quite old, and have never worked. Why dont you go live in Cuba for a couple of years and then report back to us just how great life is for the common man there. Oh and try to get your self all the "luxuries" that we have in the real world.

[Dok]

You wouldn't ever used 1 million frying pans, so it's really an erroneous example.

Thats a perfect example, if he wants that many who are you to say no. When did you get this power over life? Oh thats right under a resorce based economy or "communism" the ruling elite have sway over life and death. 

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But that wouldn't be fair. I mean, if you want to produce the technology to do that, go ahead. But it would be pointless hoarding and you'd have no use for it and neither would anyone else.

No, those choices are not stripped. But you would see others in detriment due to your greed. You wouldn't ever used 1 million frying pans, so it's really an erroneous example. Come up with a relevant example, and then we can discuss.

Right now I can buy those things.  I wouldn't though, not in those numbers.  But, if I wanted to, I could.  That is freedom.

The freedom to make a big mistake...or the world's largest chain of organic restaurants supported by one distribution center.

You can take your computerized dictatorship and stuff it.

Venus Project is just another cashless society.  Cash is freedom.  You earn it and spend it on whatever you want.  

And, what technology do I need to possess to manufacture 5 million nectarines?  Just trees.  But, I have to care for them and pick the fruits.  It will also require a lot of land.  Now, if I do this, can I distribute my 5 million nectarines to whomever I choose?  Or, are those trees and that land going to be deemed a resource for computer distribution?

Money is a symbol.  It represents resources. A resource based economy is no less corruptible than a monetary system.

[BrentonEccles]

I just want to put an objective as possible thought out here.

If this system were to be possibly implemented, it cannot be just "done."
That's exactly what these other revolutions did. They didn't test their proposals on a small scale and then progress forward - they tried to implement it at the click of a finger (so to speak) and therefore they never intended to implement their promises.

I'd be very worried if this system were to be implemented globally in an "all of a sudden it just happens" sense. That would cause the genocide of millions. You cant just "take" purchasing power off people, but unfortunately, that's what's happening in this crisis.

I will not hold confidence, unequivocally, in this project until I see working test cities. And even then, they've got to work as "objects" which free man and allow them pursue their own existence.

[Dok]

I just want to put an objective as possible thought out here.

If this system were to be possibly implemented, it cannot be just "done."
That's exactly what these other revolutions did. They didn't test their proposals on a small scale and then progress forward - they tried to implement it at the click of a finger (so to speak) and therefore they never intended to implement their promises.

I'd be very worried if this system were to be implemented globally in an "all of a sudden it just happens" sense. That would cause the genocide of millions.

I will not hold confidence, unequivocally, in this project until I see working test cities. And even then, they've got to work as "objects" which free man and allow them pursue their own existence.

They did start out small and refined it to a perfect working system, and it still didnt work. It was called "Soviet Russia".

[BrentonEccles]

They did start out small and refined it to a perfect working system, and it still didnt work. It was called "Soviet Russia".

Start off small (can you please cite this)? It was a major revolution.

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Not to mention that I don't want to ask some computer for what I want.  

I want to work and earn the things I want.  

Asking permission is for children.  

This Venus Project is nothing but the pinnacle of the Nanny State belief.

Peter Joseph had a very condescending attitude towards Alex when he was on the show.

You don't understand because you can't get past your traditional beliefs.  You haven't evolved enough to understand.  We will educate you.

The Z-noids see other people as childish.  They assume we will do stupid things.  They assume we aren't going to clean up the corruption.

We get the same thing from BE.  

Talked down to...it is annoying.

Who is going to reprogram the computer when it makes simple mistakes that only a human can detect?

Let me guess...there's a council.  Unless they are drawn by lot, then they will eventually be corrupt.  And, if the council is chosen by lottery, who does the drawing?  More potential corruption.  And, I'm sure all of the technicians who manually support the computer will be above corruption.

[Dok]

Start off small (can you please cite this)? It was a major revolution.

Uh, the revolution might have happened "overnight", yet it took years for them to put there polices in place. Trial and error. They just didnt start bread rationing over night. But they did start the gulags right off from the start for all those freethinkers and individuals out there.

[Dok]

Sorry but this

Not to mention that I don't want to ask some computer for what I want. 

reminds me of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzRziK-kZtQ&feature=related

 

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I just want to put an objective as possible thought out here.

If this system were to be possibly implemented, it cannot be just "done."
That's exactly what these other revolutions did. They didn't test their proposals on a small scale and then progress forward - they tried to implement it at the click of a finger (so to speak) and therefore they never intended to implement their promises.

I'd be very worried if this system were to be implemented globally in an "all of a sudden it just happens" sense. That would cause the genocide of millions. You cant just "take" purchasing power off people, but unfortunately, that's what's happening in this crisis.

I will not hold confidence, unequivocally, in this project until I see working test cities. And even then, they've got to work as "objects" which free man and allow them pursue their own existence.

I hope you aren't holding your breath. 

You can't test a city.  It has to have food.  Right now food is a commodity that requires money.  So, you just basically admitted that this is little more than a pipe dream.  Your own requirement for commitment can never be achieved.  Jacque's city had better generate an enormous amount of electricity if it is going to grow it's food supply within the city itself.

First, though, you have to build the city before it can generate any energy.  Are laborers supposed to just donate time to this project, or what?

Pipe Dream.

[BrentonEccles]

I hope you aren't holding your breath. 

You can't test a city.  It has to have food.  Right now food is a commodity that requires money.  So, you just basically admitted that this is little more than a pipe dream.  Your own requirement for commitment can never be achieved.  Jacque's city had better generate an enormous amount of electricity if it is going to grow it's food supply within the city itself.

First, though, you have to build the city before it can generate any energy.  Are laborers supposed to just donate time to this project, or what?

Pipe Dream.

Now you're essentially taking a comment I made, and twisting it to support your own agenda.

Thankyou very much.

Cybernated systems, and automated machinery, will create this city. Not laborers, we want to surpass that as quickly as possible.
http://www.thevenusproject.com/techConstruction.php

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Who is going to build the machines and where are they going to get the materials?

BTW...Everyone should check out that link... ...the machines are bigger than the buildings!

[mr anderson]

Who is going to build the machines and where are they going to get the materials?

BTW...Everyone should check out that link... ...the machines are bigger than the buildings!

Machines... duh 

Just saw the url....*Sigh*

All you'll ever see are these drawings, scale models and propaganda videos. That's it.

[Jackson Holly]

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Don't you know ROBOTS begat ROBOTS begat ROBOTS!

The people are just too busy enjoying poetry and eating grapes to be bothered with trivial stuff like building shelter!


HAHAHAHAHAHAhahaha

[squarepusher]

Now you're essentially taking a comment I made, and twisting it to support your own agenda.

Thankyou very much.

Cybernated systems, and automated machinery, will create this city. Not laborers, we want to surpass that as quickly as possible.
http://www.thevenusproject.com/techConstruction.php

My god, you people are seriously brainwashed, or at the very least delusional.

Reminds me of when they promised us we would all be wearing Roman togas, nobody would have to work and we would all be philosophising all day.

I still think this is all going to happen the way you put it - because I highly suspect your whole organization is a United Nations-run front group. They have given you the 'green light' to infiltrate the 'truth' movement and put your stuff out. That's why The New York Times came TO YOU - and you are regurgitating the United Nations' spiel.

You even ADMIT that your organization/leaders admire the United Nations' plans.

Man, how more freaking-in-your-face does this have to get before we come to the obvious conclusion?

[mr anderson]

[akston]

Stand down! A technocratic managed society will be good. You'll love it. 3 rations of Soma for you! Hail Isis!


We come in harmony... Wings over the World!

Hey, wait, this sounds familiar... oh yeah! There was this other 'new world order' propagandist that put out a utopian vision during an economic crisis before war swept the globe, name of Wells. (Note that the point of divergence in Well's alternate history was the failure of society to accept Roosevelt's bailout package... lol)

The Shape of Things to Come by HG Wells
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shape_of_Things_to_Come
The New World Order by HG Wells
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/new_world_order_hgwells.htm

[Dig]

Stand down! A technocratic managed society will be good. You'll love it. 3 rations of Soma for you! Hail Isis!


We come in harmony... Wings over the World!

Hey, wait, this sounds familiar... oh yeah! There was this other 'new world order' propagandist that put out a utopian vision during an economic crisis before war swept the globe, name of Wells. (Note that the point of divergence in Well's alternate history was the failure of society to accept Roosevelt's bailout package... lol)

The Shape of Things to Come by HG Wells
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shape_of_Things_to_Come
The New World Order by HG Wells
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/new_world_order_hgwells.htm

I was waiting for you to deal with this bullshit!

Where the hell have you been?

[chrisfromchi]

All you'll ever see are these drawings, scale models and propaganda videos. That's it.

Which is common practice for Real Estate Commune Donation Scams by Cylons.

[mr anderson]

Which is common practice for Real Estate Commune Donation Scams by Cylons.

No no, at least Cylons evolve and seduce you with their hot women..............then destroy humanity 

[chrisfromchi]

No no, at least Cylons evolve and seduce you with their hot women..............then destroy humanity 

Don't give away the plot to Zeitgeist 3: Tabula Rasa...

[mr anderson]

No no, at least Cylons evolve and seduce you with their hot women..............then destroy humanity 

Don't give away the plot to Zeitgeist 3: Tabula Rasa...

[BrentonEccles]

This is all just a bit of fun, a joke, to you all. How unfortunate.

[squarepusher]

This is all just a bit of fun, a joke, to you all. How unfortunate.

No, it's goddamn scary, to be honest with you. That's why I think some have to laugh it off a bit.

What's even more scary is that you appear to be just as idealistic as the young Communists that helped Lenin unleash his 'Socialist Revolution'. What's even more scary is that your particular type of 'indoctrination' has trained you NOT to notice the layer upon layers of parallels between your Venus Project and the Soviet Union. Even more scary is that you brush off all accusations that you're pursuing a communist agenda with 'So freakin' what?'.

I don't know what's scarier - Obama's youth brigades, the environmental carbon emissions-indoctrinated youth, or the Zeitgeist technocrat-bunch. What it does show is that Marxist socialism is very much on the rise - again. And the stupid suckers, with no scope of history, are falling for the same utopian carrots all over again.

[mr anderson]

This is all just a bit of fun, a joke, to you all. How unfortunate.

Actually it's quite serious.

Utopian fantasies built on a cashless society with machines controlling certain aspects of government are a joke.

It's a psychological ponzi-scheme...you'll invest all your energy and belief into this and it'll turn out to be hijacked by the New World Order all along: Kill 99% of the world population, herd the rest into compact mega-cities with 98% of the Earth off-limits for the elite, RFID implantable chips, sterilisation, CCTV everywhere, indoctrination (Elimination of the individual and nation states).

Sorry dude, this is far from a joke. I merely offset my outright disgust with pop-culture which in itself portrays some truth in what this dystopia might have.

A mix between 1984-Brave New World-New world order (HG Wells)-The shape of things to come

[Dok]

This is all just a bit of fun, a joke, to you all. How unfortunate.

Nope not at all.

"As the economic crisis deepens, a singular reaction is appearing in
many countries: alongside the fear, bravado and growing despair is a new
understanding of the reasons for the crash -- the greed and competitive
spirit at the centre of our systems and, therefore, the need for sharing.
Of themselves, many are awakening to this basic truth and see sharing as
the answer to injustice and war. Thus are many ready for Maitreya's call.
This realization will grow as the crisis bites deeper and deeper into the
shaky fabric of the outworn forms and structures that no longer work, can
never be made to work for long.



    "When Maitreya speaks, he will show that this is so, that the world is
ready for the adoption of new and better forms, based on the true needs of
the peoples everywhere. His is the task to focus and strengthen this
growing realization of the oneness and unity of men, of their mutual
dependence and awakening divinity.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=76030.msg579305#msg579305

You should really read that thread so you can see just what the people who orchestrate the zeitgeist  movement really believes in.

[BrentonEccles]

Nope not at all.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=76030.msg579305#msg579305

You should really read that thread so you can see just what the people who orchestrate the zeitgeist  movement really believes in.

I'm really not interesting in biblical and semantic interpretation of things. I've been through that nonsense long enough, thanks.

[squarepusher]

I'm really not interesting in biblical and semantic interpretation of things. I've been through that nonsense long enough, thanks.

You're not quite through the socialist Marxist nonsense, though. What's worse: a religion where God is something indefinable or a 'religion' masquerading as a 'scientific state' where Man becomes God? (oh wait, not even Man - certain men, such as the ones who are going to be programming the brains to run your cities/mega-domes. 'Some animals are more equal than others', eh?)

[Dok]

I'm really not interesting in biblical and semantic interpretation of things. I've been through that nonsense long enough, thanks.

Sorry sport but i keep that thread pretty much biblical free as possible. Its all about Maitreya and Theosophy, too which the zeitgeist people believe in. My lord they had one of Maitreys incarnations opening ZA, get a clue dude your being indoctrinated into it. If you doubt me, listen to just how it works, look into Bill Coopers mystery Babylon series and you will see. There are many threads here on it.

[Parentsfortruth]

No, it's goddamn scary, to be honest with you. That's why I think some have to laugh it off a bit.

What's even more scary is that you appear to be just as idealistic as the young Communists that helped Lenin unleash his 'Socialist Revolution'. What's even more scary is that your particular type of 'indoctrination' has trained you NOT to notice the layer upon layers of parallels between your Venus Project and the Soviet Union. Even more scary is that you brush off all accusations that you're pursuing a communist agenda with 'So freakin' what?'.

I don't know what's scarier - Obama's youth brigades, the environmental carbon emissions-indoctrinated youth, or the Zeitgeist technocrat-bunch. What it does show is that Marxist socialism is very much on the rise - again. And the stupid suckers, with no scope of history, are falling for the same utopian carrots all over again.

QFT.

[agentbluescreen]

When the power of All Love finally

Overcomes the lust for All Power

The world will finally know peace

...too bad that theory sorta bit him in the butt, eh?

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Sorry sport but i keep that thread pretty much biblical free as possible. Its all about Maitreya and Theosophy, too which the zeitgeist people believe in. My lord they had one of Maitreys incarnations opening ZA, get a clue dude your being indoctrinated into it. If you doubt me, listen to just how it works, look into Bill Coopers mystery Babylon series and you will see. There are many threads here on it.

We are on the same page there, Dok...

Start at 2 minutes 55 seconds into this...

William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Golden Dawn of Man 2/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwFbItohcsI&feature=related

And then watch this one from the beginning...

William Cooper (Mystery Babylon) Golden Dawn of Man 3/5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpMzl5Q6QBs&feature=related

Cooper layed out the Mystery Schools in the 90's.  He told you what the elite believe. 

He even points out that they want us to believe that Christianity is just a perversion of their beliefs.

Ten years later Peter Joseph served up the first Zeitgeist movie.

It is filled with the belief system of the Mystery Schools. 

It attempts to do exactly what Cooper warned us to expect.

[netizen_x]

The Technocracy Movement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement

Technocracy is a form of government in which scientists and technical experts are in administrative or decision making control.[1] The term came to mean government by technical decision making in 1932.[2]

[akston]

I was waiting for you to deal with this bullshit!

Where the hell have you been?

Dude ... posting on Zeitgeist threads is like a game of whack-a-mole. Looks like things are in good hands here, though.

A bit of a tangent - one expects the Zeitgeist/Venus thing to get rolled up in transhumanism before too long if it isn't already and I found these interesting neologisms they've come up  with... you should know about them.

Biocon - Biological conservative
Technoprogressive - Not averse to getting implants [in a nutshell]

(Therefore your wetware is conservative/right, and the borg are good leftists. Another dualist crock.)

Take the quiz! (If you've got nothing better to do while robots are building your ideal society.)

H+/Biocon/Technoprogressive Quiz at SAGE Crossroads
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/2351/

You'll notice the questions aren't loaded at all. 

[navarino]

I have a couple Zeitgeist friends who I'm really worried about. I was the one that woke them up to 9/11 and the NWO around a year ago but after seeing ZII they become worse than the Obamatards! It's pretty insane how easily these guys get indoctrinated by these pseudo intellectual globalist agents. There is no doubt in my mind that the zeitgeist movement is coopted.

I MEAN COME ON MAN! It's so obvious!

But they watch a few new age documentaries and automatically they are experts on "HUMAN POTENTIAL" and what we can become. rofl.

[akston]

I have a couple Zeitgeist friends who I'm really worried about. I was the one that woke them up to 9/11 and the NWO around a year ago but after seeing ZII they become worse than the Obamatards! It's pretty insane how easily these guys get indoctrinated by these pseudo intellectual globalist agents. There is no doubt in my mind that the zeitgeist movement is coopted.

I MEAN COME ON MAN! It's so obvious!

But they watch a few new age documentaries and automatically they are experts on "HUMAN POTENTIAL" and what we can become. rofl.

Hey, you need an ideology with a utopia if you want an effective control system.

                                   Utopian Heaven (Ultimate goal)
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                                                          \|
Rulers (Hey, we're just following this god's orders. Noblisse oblige and all that, chap.)
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                                                          \|
                         Subjects (Duh, cool, a project! Count us in!)

Inventing this kind of fake 3-way relationship distracts from the fact that in the actual 2-way relationship, you've simply been kicked to the kerb. They're up and you're down, but hey that's the Great Chain of Being so it's good. Promoting fake ideologies and culture is the ultimate psy-op. Sorry to hear about your friends... they need to know about how cultural myths are constructed.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to finish watching the state whither away.

[roell29]

BrentonEccles,

I read the chapter on human nature of the Orientation Guide and I agree with much of the general thrust (nurture over nature), but think it is grossly inadequate in attempting to elucidate the problems of the human condition that would plague any attempt to create a better society. You are basically saying that economic scarcity is at the root of psychological dysfunction. Why is it then that those with the greatest economic resources are the ones most engaged in "evil actions", as you put it? Jerry Brown, when he ran for president, said that there are all kinds of enlightened plans, thousands of them lying forgotten on shelves. They can't even be considered because of the entrenched corruption of our political system, he said. So we are not suffereing from a shortage of enlightened plans. The political corruption is only a reflection of the corruption of our souls, and that problem is far more deeper than economic scarcity.  Psychopathological conditions such as Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Sociopathy, Psychopathy (which I don't believe is genetic), neurosis, perversity all stem from neglect, abuse, mirroring distortions in childhood. They are intergenerational, so improving economic conditions will not affect the compulsion to unconsciously transfer them to the next generation. These are the problems that allow people to be so easily manipulated/controlled/indoctrinated, and which would make it child's play for the people who crave power over other humans, who already own and control the world and have been planning their own dystopia for so long, to wrest control of your organization (if they didn't set it up in the first place, which seems highly likely) and use it to their own ends.

The baboon study is interesting but I'm skeptical. "The troop was exposed accidentally to a disease that killed off the Alpha male baboons, leaving only the subordinate male baboons along with the females." Come on - the scientists killed them off (most likely) because they had a preconceived agenda, and who knows what else they may have done to get the results they were after. It's hard to imagine the young male baboons would not have emulated the behavior of the adult males they were exposed to after they (were) disappeared.
I do think environment is the key to changing society but it goes far deeper than economic scarcity.