Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[Unintelligable Name]

It's sensational!

 

[Sane's headlines]

[netizen_x]

It's a matter of perspective as to whether an issue is "core". I would say that the Obama citizenship issue is core, Jones at one point probably thought so too, but he has now moved away from it - ie he is not including this info in a film about Obama.

It's not about Obama. It's about the Deception.

The president is a puppet. Why focus on the puppet?

[Dig]

It's not about Obama. It's about the Deception.

The president is a puppet. Why focus on the puppet?

It is like focusing on whether the manager at burger king has a green card rather than exposing the franchise owners who create such an f-d up system.

[Q]

how is obama's citizenship more important than him being a puppet for the private federal reserve banksters?  He did a 2 hour movie exposing this that has been seen by over 10 million in less than 2 weeks.  And judging by the nuttiness going on, looks like he hit the nail on the head.

huh?  9/11 is a faux controversy?

i mean the main reason that zieitgeist is a deception is because it is pure NWO agenda.  the fact that he is no longer discussing 9/11 just adds evidence to this fact.

Rense said he was filing a police report claiming interstate terrorism, I doubt that AJ will not file a lawsuit concerning that complete insanity.

Jones has moved away from the citizenship issue, and that's his choice, it doesn't make him an NWO operative. I think that it could have replaced some of that superfluous stuff in TOD but Jones thinks it can be more effective without this issue - and that again is his choice.

As I suspect you understood, it's this nonsense about Joseph denying 911 truth that is your and Jones' faux controversy, it's perfectly obvious that his focus has now shifted and that's all.

On the lawsuit business, I suspect that Jones has already been advised that there isn't a legal case here, but we'll see. I'm not saying that he doesn't have a legitimate beef with the article of course.

[Q]

It's not about Obama. It's about the Deception.

The president is a puppet. Why focus on the puppet?

See my posts in this thread for why it is important to attack the puppet directly in Obama's case.
 
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=95590.0

Tarpley agrees that this issue is an "essential part of an effective attack on those behind Obama".

From the other thread:

Let me refer you again to what Jones was saying on the show today : "Obama is the one for the elites - slicker than Hitler - the one the elites are going to try everything with".

Jones knows very well that Obama is no normal puppet, he is the "ultimate puppet" as Tarpley put it in The Obama Deception. It's wrong to say that any puppet will do...Obama was chosen well in advance (as Jones and Tarpley have said) for his enabling attributes for the elites, the cultism, mass movement..could there have been a "pledge" for McCain or Clinton? Of course not..who the puppet is matters to them massively.

This is why attacking and weakening/removing Obama is of such key importance. Doing so weakens the elites formation and diminishes their ability to complete their agenda.

As Tarpley has said many times, any effective attack on the Obama regime (meaning the elites behind him) must include ad hominem attacks on Obama. Those issues are as Protean posted earlier  "The Citizenship/Birth Question, recent drug use, Larry Sinclair affair, and the Donald Young Murder cover-up".

[Dig]

Jones has moved away from the citizenship issue, and that's his choice, it doesn't make him an NWO operative. I think that it could have replaced some of that superfluous stuff in TOD but Jones thinks it can be more effective without this issue - and that again is his choice.

As I suspect you understood, it's this nonsense about Joseph denying 911 truth that is your and Jones' faux controversy, it's perfectly obvious that his focus has now shifted and that's all.

On the lawsuit business, I suspect that Jones has already been advised that there isn't a legal case here, but we'll see. I'm not saying that he doesn't have a legitimate beef with the article of course.

Well that I guess is the point, PJ has never been interested in preventing the NWO from fulfilling on their plans, in fact his future ideals are completely aligned with the NWO.  So you are correct and he is moving on to now dedicate more attention to assisting the NWO/theosophical agenda.

As far as TOD, I think the jury is already out from a macro and micro perspective and it does not seem to be aligned with your opinion, but that is neither here nor there.  But focusing on whether the manager of a burger king has a green card when trying to expose the franchise owners is probably counter productive for the audience that AJ was trying to communicate to.

on the lawsuit, JR filing a fraudulent police report is probably a felony and he has shown beyond a reasonable doubt blatant pre-emptively conceived libel and slander.  It would be nuts for AJ not to expose this insanity.

[netizen_x]

As I suspect you understood, it's this nonsense about Joseph denying 911 truth that is your and Jones' faux controversy, it's perfectly obvious that his focus has now shifted and that's all.

Joseph was quite happy to use the 'Zeitgeist' - the spirit of the age that is the truth movement, to sell his 'Jesus didn't exist - we need a new technocratic society' message, which is the real deception.

[Novus Ordo]

"Well that I guess is the point, PJ has never been interested in preventing the NWO from fulfilling on their plans, in fact his future ideals are completely aligned with the NWO. So you are correct and he is moving on to now dedicate more attention to assisting the NWO/theosophical agenda."


I’ve got it!

They did it to perpetuate the disintegration?

Hmm, I'm sorry I’m still trying to figure out just why they would want to draw attention to their heinous false flag murders and their grand deception covered in part three.
Have I read stuff wrong? Reference linked to theosophy, the lucis trust who advised the UN?
I’m not really interested in the labels you choose for PJ and V project I’m not motivated in defending them, I just cant get my head around them being part of the NWO.
If your saying they are their own little independent NWO then fine, that would go with your idea about them being in it to screw a few million out of the truth movement.
But then they are clearly not “assisting the NWO/theosophical agenda” are they?

I spent prolonged periods locked in the under stairs cupboard as a child, sometimes grandma put grandpa also, for company but sometime she didn’t.
Help me out here guys please.


“As I suspect you understood, it's this nonsense about Joseph denying 911 truth that is your and Jones' faux controversy, it's perfectly obvious that his focus has now shifted and that's all.”

Right on Q.

   

[Dig]

"Well that I guess is the point, PJ has never been interested in preventing the NWO from fulfilling on their plans, in fact his future ideals are completely aligned with the NWO. So you are correct and he is moving on to now dedicate more attention to assisting the NWO/theosophical agenda."


I’ve got it!

They did it to perpetuate the disintegration?

Hmm, I'm sorry I’m still trying to figure out just why they would want to draw attention to their heinous false flag murders and their grand deception covered in part three.
Have I read stuff wrong? Reference linked to theosophy, the lucis trust who advised the UN?
I’m not really interested in the labels you choose for PJ and V project I’m not motivated in defending them, I just cant get my head around them being part of the NWO.
If your saying they are their own little independent NWO then fine, that would go with your idea about them being in it to screw a few million out of the truth movement.
But then they are clearly not “assisting the NWO/theosophical agenda” are they?

I spent prolonged periods locked in the under stairs cupboard as a child, sometimes grandma put grandpa also, for company but sometime she didn’t.
Help me out here guys please.


“As I suspect you understood, it's this nonsense about Joseph denying 911 truth that is your and Jones' faux controversy, it's perfectly obvious that his focus has now shifted and that's all.”

Right on Q.

   

Have you seen the wonderful bait and switch move with Zeitgeist Addendum?

Have you heard of the Venus Project and the promotion of a scientific technocracy?

Is this a joke?

[Novus Ordo]

Ok don’t address the issues just carry on with your self absorbed view, your good at propaganda Sane I’ll give ya’ that
“lets play a little bait and switch with a couple of the most historic events in our recent history is getting a bit conspiracy crazy don’t you think?

So your basically saying the NWO are basically saying to the masses in zeitgeist

“yes we did 911 yes we enslave you with a corrupt money system yes yes yes now bend over and take some more”
“take it take it take it”
“ho and here’s what we offer as a nice alternative addendum “
“for we are kind”

So they are definitely not a tin pot outfit out to screw a few million out of the truth movement?

[Dig]

Ok don’t address the issues just carry on with your self absorbed view, your good at propaganda Sane I’ll give ya’ that

thank you

“lets play a little bait and switch with a couple of the most historic events in our recent history is getting a bit conspiracy crazy don’t you think?

So your basically saying the NWO are basically saying to the masses in zeitgeist

“yes we did 911 yes we enslave you with a corrupt money system yes yes yes now bend over and take some more”
“take it take it take it”
“ho and here’s what we offer as a nice alternative addendum “
“for we are kind”

So they are definitely not a tin pot outfit out to screw a few million out of the truth movement?

Read H.G. Wells "New World Order" or P. Manly Hall

There will be a transition to a New World Order by blaming all of the events like false flags, wars, energy price manipulation, and fractional reserve banking on the very constructs of society as we know it rather than on the parasites that have hijacked these stuctures.

the purpose is for us to banish the structures rather than exposing the parasites.

the goal is to end freedom of religion/state sovereignty/freedom of expression/privacy.

this has been written for over 100 years.  Alan Watt is a good resource to understand these things in great detail.

[chrisfromchi]

So they are definitely not a tin pot outfit out to screw a few million out of the truth movement?

No Zeitgeist movement is the "activist arm of the Venus Project"

Venus Project needs start up money...they convince people to get these money supports with a new age views and usurped the truth movements arguments to cut into their base viral internet support. They even stole footage and such from other documentaries to make their first zeitgeist. None of what was in the movie is new really you could have experienced the same information in 3 other movies and a jordan maxwell one.

You didn't contribute money to them in hopes of a spaceship did you?

[Jackson Holly]

ELITE CONTROL 101

Lesson #1. 
Play both sides of every argument / contest.
Just as in a boxing match - own both boxers and you are sure to win.

[Novus Ordo]

That’s the best reply you’ve ever given me thank you.

These great writers are all free to view, they are such to serve as a warning, not the inevitability of our future, they have all stood the test of time probably because they’ve wisely avoided offering solutions but instead focused on a negative probability .

Personally, I believe PJ is just an ideologist. I have an idea that VP latched onto PJ and PJ said OK
One is dangerous and already in charge, the other is fanciful but hopefully not impossible it will need to diversify a lot more& I mean a lot more, not to be more appealing to the many (clearly and sadly not necessary)but to destroy any fear of similarities between the two ideologies.
They are not connected imo,
Ref’ 911 and the Bankers
How can we expose these parasites with these structures?

We all want to live in a ‘free and fair harmonious globe’ should we stop talking about how we get there?
“Down with the New World Order long live the ‘FAFHG” goes straight to self perpetuation. Along those lines are the wrongs lines of thought to follow.
You’ve all heard about the taking away the power from the rapist?
“I looked the bastard in the eye as he was sent down, at that moment I ceased feeling a victim of anything least of all rape”
Its kind of like that, don’t give them the power refuse to play.
Police have a symbiotic relationship with criminals one cannot exist without the other.
Its not easy you have to have faith that your fellow man doesn’t want to hurt you, and would much rather just get along. There is, I feel, becoming more people in the world like that than there are violent people who generally keep themselves to themselves.
So when you get to a point where no one wants to join the army or the police and everybody wants to try ‘happy happy joy joy’ (protected by a global air force just in case of any passing capitalistic extra terrestrials thinking they’ve spotted a sitting duck, and a global army just in case they land)so OK OK
So where do you go when you realise happy hippy haint’ happening?
Unless the happy hippies are all in the army and the air force (wrong line of thinking)
Let the spicy gene running through us go shoot stuff amongst the stars and explore and find minerals & stuff, and figure out how to become self sustaining up there. They would inherently protects those of us who would prefer to run around in togas on a technologically enhanced Eden called planet earth. and your ancestors a thousand years from now Sane can laugh at mine when a big rock hit’s the planet and f**ks everything up for the toga people(slightly better way of thinking)
But god forbid we imagine all shiny and new and fair.
We must have oppression.
I guess in many ways I am perpetuating what you are saying (especially before I went off on a tangent)
 I’m just trying to perpetuate things in a positive way not a negative.

I still don’t believe they are actually connected.   

[Novus Ordo]

You didn't contribute money to them in hopes of a spaceship did you?

No I'm more toga, cool question though.

[Q]

Novus, I agree with you about Joseph as an idealist, not NWO.

I mean, is this really the pinnacle of Human civilisation? This money/resource system which is thoroughly crooked with or without the layers of criminals currently running it.

It's natural for creative people to think about how better things could be and to explore those ideas...and its not as if Joseph is trying to introduce anything by stealth - his ideas are in the open.

I'm not saying that I agree with his ideas necessarily, but he's not some scum NWO shill for having them. And any criticism of him should at least be accurate.

[Dig]

Let the spicy gene running through us go shoot stuff amongst the stars and explore and find minerals & stuff, and figure out how to become self sustaining up there. They would inherently protects those of us who would prefer to run around in togas on a technologically enhanced Eden called planet earth. and your ancestors a thousand years from now Sane can laugh at mine when a big rock hit’s the planet and f**ks everything up for the toga people(slightly better way of thinking)

that is some funny stuff, you are indeed a creative soul. bless you.

as far as PJ, I have always been on the side of him being a flawed idealist until the interview with AJ and then his z-day luciferian ritual.  At the very least, he must be getting information spoon fed for him because it is like reading 100 year old doctrines of theosophy word for word.

[Jackson Holly]

ARTIVIST

Does everybody here remember that Peter Joseph and his ZEITGEIST movies are heavily promoted worldwide by the ARTIVIST outfit? Accolades, awards, interviews, special showings ... money?

Should we look at that organization a little closer ... who are they? On the surface they appear to be just a group of creative/activist types promoting movies around the world that forward a certain 'progressive' agenda .... I'm OK with that. But ....

http://www.artivists.org



Director Peter Joseph speaking at Artivist's Opening Night
and the Global Premier of his film, "Zeitgeist Addendum".


This year, Artivist proudly welcomes once again our Official Community Partner Petrobras.

For the past two years Petrobras has supported the efforts and expansion of the international Artivist Film Festival.  Understanding the interdependence between humanity, animals, and the environment is crucial in our global community.  By working with individuals and groups, organizations and companies, we can create long term solutions to our global problems.

Petrobras, a Brazilian company, is the largest funder of Cultural Arts Programs in Brazil. As one of the largest distributors of ethanol fuel in the world, Petrobras has a 30 year history of producing, distributing and using ethanol from sugar cane as fuel for vehicles. The Petrobras Environmental Program is focused on water protection and biodiversity, supporting hundreds of projects that aim to recover water bodies and sources, as well as promoting the rational use of water resources and environmental education. Petrobras is the only energy company that is part of the Global Compact Board of the UNITED NATIONS, committing its corporative government to the 10 principles set forth by the UN.  Petrobras is a proud Partner of various animal advocacy programs which include endangered sea turtles, the manatees, and various save the whales programs.

Global Compact Board ... read about it here:
http://www.unglobalcompact.org/aboutTheGC/The_Global_Compact_Board.html

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So ... the Official Community Partner of ARTIVIST is PETROBAS - an 'alternative' fuel outfit in BRAZIL, and a part of this Global Compact Board at the UN....

I wonder who else is 'affiliated' with ARTIVIST?


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/Artivist_Film_Festival_&_Awards

The Artivist Film Festival & Awards is an international film festival and awards ceremony dedicated to recognizing activist efforts of filmmakers, specifically in the areas of human rights, child advocacy, environmental preservation, and animal rights. Artivist is affiliated with the United Nations.

The Festival is held annually and tours internationally. Its mission is to strengthen the voice of activist/artists ("artivists"), while raising awareness for global causes. The festival is produced by Artivist Collective, a nonprofit organization founded in August 2003 by Diaky Diaz, Bettina Wolff, and Christopher Riedesel.

When the 2nd Annual Artivist Film Festival began on April 20, 2005, Los Angeles Mayor James Hahn declared the day "Artivist Day". In 2007 the 4th annual Artivist Festival partnered with KPFK radio and Current TV to reach over 25 million people.

Artivist’s advisory board includes Congressman Dennis Kucinich, actor James Cromwell, actor/director James Haven, and Senator Barbara Boxer. Past honorees include Ted Danson, Alyssa Milano, Claes Nobel, James Cromwell, Mira Sorvino, Ed Begley Jr., Tippi Hedren, Mike Farrell, and France Nuyen, among others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelQSchmidt/Artivist_Film_Festival_&_Awards


ARTIVIST is a 501c3 non profit organization endorsed by the UNITED NATIONS
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC INFORMATION and the INTERNATIONAL NOBEL PRIZE.

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[Dig]

^ whoah

[White Rose Sophie]

^ whoah

+1.

Funny, how it all leads back to one source.

[Parentsfortruth]

Mhmm, very interesting.

[Unintelligable Name]

This thread just continues to bury Zeitgeist into a deep dark pit, with it's UN theosophy beam light city false Utopia technocratic ultrasocialistic control grid summation, with minimal effort....

Yet... somebody at some point with about 20 posts to their name will find his or her way here and tell us we are all fearmongers.

It will never cease to amaze me. Zeitgeist is a scam people! Get a goddamn clue!

[mr anderson]

Logan's Run

The 'Venus Project' Run: Renew, Renew, Renew!

[mr anderson]

Please repost all your information here:

Zeitgeist?
http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18&start=90

[Dok]

Im sorry but that picture is really starting to piss me off. If you notice it has Joradan's famous sun with the wings smack dab in the middle that he always uses to show "sun"-"son" worship, and that zeitgeist used to show how all religion is false. So they are now using it for their Luminoplolis crap.



There not even hiding it any more. They are now using the symbols they said were bad. This is nothing but indoctrination into Theosophy. And if anyhing it should show all the Jordan fans out there his two faceness. Look into Theosophy, and learn about it. As JM always says "Dont take my word for it, look into it for your self", well i have and your all exposed for what you really are. 

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

there are many things i find wrong with PJ and the Z movies, first and foremost i did not understand why there was so much secrecy and confusion created right from the beginning, it took a while to even find out who the bloody author of the movies were, let alone who f**king well paid for them. i dont find this with AJ or other such film makers, there is no question to how AJ's movies are made and paid for, there is no secrecy as to whether or not he has authored them.

aside from any ideological differences i have with the Z movies etc, it is for these types of reasons above that i distrust PJ and the Z movies.

i cant muster the patience to describe it any other way, but you literally have to be an idiot to buy into this stuff, it also helps if you are either socialist, hedonistic, or anarchistic, and have day dreams about things you know arent possible yet seem to still believe in.

get a clue people, like the bundle of sticks and an axe, PJ's movies talk about collective force, thats fascism for you people who cant be bothered to look anything up, these ideas have been around since roman times and before, dont be tricked by the fancy production, and dont kid yourself its anything but, its a con, its collectivism, go look it up!

[wolfman86]

there are many things i find wrong with PJ and the Z movies, first and foremost i did not understand why there was so much secrecy and confusion created right from the beginning, it took a while to even find out who the bloody author of the movies were, let alone who f**king well paid for them. i dont find this with AJ or other such film makers, there is no question to how AJ's movies are made and paid for, there is no secrecy as to whether or not he has authored them.

aside from any ideological differences i have with the Z movies etc, it is for these types of reasons above that i distrust PJ and the Z movies.

i cant muster the patience to describe it any other way, but you literally have to be an idiot to buy into this stuff, it also helps if you are either socialist, hedonistic, or anarchistic, and have day dreams about things you know arent possible yet seem to still believe in.

get a clue people, like the bundle of sticks and an axe, PJ's movies talk about collective force, thats fascism for you people who cant be bothered to look anything up, these ideas have been around since roman times and before, dont be tricked by the fancy production, and dont kid yourself its anything but, its a con, its collectivism, go look it up!

I agree, any sort of collectivism is antithetical to freedom.

What do you think of Chris White's idea that the "real" New World Order won't be the totalitarian nightmare coming down on us now but the "utopia" that emerges as the solution (and in some ways fits PJ's solutions in Addendum)?

I am a Christian so I'll admit my bias, but doesn't it seem like a lot of these gurus that mix in real information on the New World Order also go out of their way to bash and discredit not just the religious institution of Christianity (some aspects of which deserve bashing) but Jesus Christ himself?

[White Rose Sophie]

I agree, any sort of collectivism is antithetical to freedom.

What do you think of Chris White's idea that the "real" New World Order won't be the totalitarian nightmare coming down on us now but the "utopia" that emerges as the solution (and in some ways fits PJ's solutions in Addendum)?

I am a Christian so I'll admit my bias, but doesn't it seem like a lot of these gurus that mix in real information on the New World Order also go out of their way to bash and discredit not just the religious institution of Christianity (some aspects of which deserve bashing) but Jesus Christ himself?

Of course they do. No other faith gets the NWO treatment like Christianity does.  What does that tell you?  Whatever you believe, Christianity teaches that the 'coming world leader" is actually the ANTICHRIST, the very epitome of evil and that believers are to RESIST, even to the point of death.  Why else would they concentrate so heavily on debunking Christianity over all others?  They have to destroy belief in Jesus (Yeshua) and in the Bible because only THEN will people embrace THEIR man.

Are people of other faiths persecuted?  Yes.  In my opinion, just for the whole 'population reduction' idea, not singled out specifically for that faith.  Or they encourage people of different faiths to help out the population problem by killing each other.  Or if could just be that they love genocide, torture, suffering, etc.

"All those who hate ME, love and court death".

[Mike Philbin]

Sane,

should we all pre-empt the horror of the forthcoming data regime and just pull our own eyes out?

But don't we still give off a smell, and the Fear Machines will find us eventually.

[Dig]

Sane,

should we all pre-empt the horror of the forthcoming data regime and just pull our own eyes out?

But don't we still give off a smell, and the Fear Machines will find us eventually.

They completely f-d up with the Internet.

They thought they could use it to socially control and compartmentalize people, but it really is a system for creating awareness at exponential speed.

[deconstructmyhouse]

we the people will always find a way to communicate effectively
even it's lantern lights: one if by land two if by sea
we always have and always will
we are incredibly ingenious
they ALWAYS underestimate us.
(which is why NWO has fail written all over it)

they can poison us till the cows come home
but our spirit's unquenchable.

you just need to be a teacher to understand, imo!

[ronaldomoon]

I agree, any sort of collectivism is antithetical to freedom.

What do you think of Chris White's idea that the "real" New World Order won't be the totalitarian nightmare coming down on us now but the "utopia" that emerges as the solution (and in some ways fits PJ's solutions in Addendum)?

I am a Christian so I'll admit my bias, but doesn't it seem like a lot of these gurus that mix in real information on the New World Order also go out of their way to bash and discredit not just the religious institution of Christianity (some aspects of which deserve bashing) but Jesus Christ himself?

I think Chris White does a lot of good research, however I think that the "NWO" will be a mix of the utopia/totalitarian nightmare. People like PJ will eventually claim that the "evil NWO" was stopped before it was even started, the "anti-Christ"/evil NWO leader figure has been defeated before fully taking control, and that what we are now moving into is this new age utopia era so everyone should just jump on board. Those who believe it will have their utopia and those who don't will have their totalitarian nightmare. After all, the utopian society must be protected from the people who still think of the "old ways", and it's citizens will understand this for they know that if they don't then they will become "part of the problem". Our ways...freedom...self-determination...those will be the old "backwards" ways of thinking that bring embarrassment just to speak about.

Turn on your television...it's already happening. Colbert, Stewart, Family Guy, SNL and others tell me week after week that I am an imbecile for my backwards ways of thought. They don't come right out and say it...but they might as well. I really pains me to see this because I really think those shows are funny (SNL only occasionally) but it makes me so damned mad every time they ridicule things that I believe in. It also bothers me because I used to (many years ago) be pretty much in line with the neo-lib philosophy they subtly preach.

One of the most frequently mocked ideas is the right to bear arms. I was watching Family Guy just the other day and Joe (the guy in wheelchair) came out of his house with a gun for some reason...everyone freaked...he said to stay calm because he was a cop...right after that he accidentally shot someone. It's little things like that...they use it to make people (mostly kids) feel stupid if they don't support whatever view the writers of the show may have. It should be very obvious to folks like us...but most "normal" people dont notice or ignore it if they do. After all that's why they're "normal"...they do what the TV tells them to do and think the way that the TV tells them to think.

Then the media whores trot out loud mouthed idiot "conservatives" like pretty much every FOX News commentator, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, etc... which then just goes to reinforce all of the stereotypes being pushed on all of the comedy shows about anyone who is "conservative" or "patriotic". I mean seriously...doesn't anyone wonder why FOX shows like Simpsons, Family Guy, etc.. push "liberal" ideas by making everything else seem stupid...yet when mommy or daddy turns it over to FOX News...you have the complete opposite end of the spectrum? Seems obvious enough to me.

And which station is it that is now talking more openly about the New World Order and how it's a bad thing? Oh, yes....FOX News. So then it must not be true right? I mean those FOX News people are a bunch of conservatives. Hell...they supported Bush until the very end. So if FOX News says global government is bad...and FOX News people are a bunch of a**holes...then maybe global government is a good thing...

Oh and about Bush, why do you think he was given the presidency in the first place? My guess would be that it was to further link conservatism to ignorance and hate. Those of us who pay attention to politics all the time (not just during election season) know that the Bush family is far from conservative. I don't think I even have to get into the reasoning behind that.

So perhaps then, a few years down the line all of the cool, smart & funny TV viewers will find out there actually was an "evil" NWO order forming under Bush but it's been put to a stop now so everything's a-okay. Those people will welcome the NWO as a utopia and they will be the overwhelming majority. I can't tell you what to believe in regard to the Bible, but it does say that the anti-Christ will rally the world for the cause of peace so it wouldn't make sense for it to come together under someone like Bush who was never really seen as a man of peace. It doesn't have to be Obama, but it has to be someone like him, someone who can convince people that evil is good, and that good is evil. Most people aren't evil, you have to convince them that what they are doing is good.

So basically...I think there will be one NWO and it will be a utopia to those who have been convinced to follow along. They have been programmed to think that they wanted it all along and that only a backwards, redneck, FOX News-loving moron wouldn't want it. Once full control is in place, then the "peace" will be over because "threats" against the utopia must be dealt with and those who are living comfortably will see this as a necessary evil that must be tolerated to maintain "paradise".

[ronaldomoon]

Of course they do. No other faith gets the NWO treatment like Christianity does.  What does that tell you?  Whatever you believe, Christianity teaches that the 'coming world leader" is actually the ANTICHRIST, the very epitome of evil and that believers are to RESIST, even to the point of death.  Why else would they concentrate so heavily on debunking Christianity over all others?  They have to destroy belief in Jesus (Yeshua) and in the Bible because only THEN will people embrace THEIR man.

Are people of other faiths persecuted?  Yes.  In my opinion, just for the whole 'population reduction' idea, not singled out specifically for that faith.  Or they encourage people of different faiths to help out the population problem by killing each other.  Or if could just be that they love genocide, torture, suffering, etc.

"All those who hate ME, love and court death".

I've noticed that many, if not most, people who are abducted by/in contact with beings that are allegedly aliens or some sort of super natural being often say that the beings tell them that religion is destroying our world and that Jesus Christ is a myth. Why would aliens fly across the universe to tell people that Jesus wasn't real? Seems like a lot of effort for no real gain on their part. What do they get out of it? Why does anyone think that beings who kidnap, torture, and violate innocent humans are also somehow kind and wanting to help us save ourselves?

If it's not "Jesus wasn't real", it's "Jesus was real, but he wasn't like he's portrayed in the Bible...he's actually a part of grand spiritual hierarchy...blah..blah...Lucifer is the light...blah blah...".

[ronaldomoon]

Oh and just to make myself perfectly clear: I wasn't trying to say that Chris White is trying to mislead anyone. I just disagree that there will be a completely fascist NWO and then a more utopian one. That's just my opinion though.

[BrentonEccles]

He was misquoted. Here is basically what he really said

"...had said his piece on false flag terrorism and was moving away from those notions and focusing on ideas for true change." http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=3&func=view&catid=229&id=85094

Yes, very telling that he gets an article in the New York Times.....but poor Ron Paul Campaign for Liberty gets relegated to places like the New Tuscaheggey Times or whatever.  His own LOCAL paper didn't even cover him.

What does that tell you?

Well, with all due respect, the zeitgeist movement is more newsworthy. We had 450 events, globally.

Do you honestly believe, that the Venus Project, is aiming for a scientific dictatorship? There will be no scientists to rule, the methods of science will be applied to society... not Scientists opinions and that crap ... but the methods of science.

carrying capacity of the Earth

You fellows seem to have trouble grasping this concept, and it seems to bring a chill up you.
All we're talking about is surveying the Earth, this data is fed into computers, and then we know what we have.
It's a central tenet of Ron Paul's -- living within one's means.

Hopefully we can continue to facilitate discussion about this, because lack of understanding should always be addressed in all areas of life.

It's not enough to sit back and say that the CFR, and the "New World Order" is a problem. We must actively work towards a solution.

I wonder if you've really taken the time to research and understand this new direction?

I leave you with a short quote from Fresco's Resource-based Economy essay:
"We must emphasize that this approach to global governance has nothing whatever in common with the present aims of an elite to form a world government with themselves and large corporations at the helm, and the vast majority of the world's population subservient to them. Our vision of globalization empowers each and every person on the planet to be the best they can be, not to live in abject subjugation to a corporate governing body." (Read more)

[BrentonEccles]

It is absolutely ignorant to call this direction the New World Order.

We aren't utopian socialists, or advocates of any other opinionated system.
A resource-based economy is one that will apply the Scientific METHOD to society, in which anyone can participate, for human and environmental concern.

Ofcourse all the other systems have been disproven because they're failed ideals. They don't have a tangible line, and we have Science and the application thereof to improve our lives.

Your frame of reference is, sadly limited to the idea that it's NOT free-market capitalism so therefore it must be one of the many other failed systems -- because we just couldn't come up with anything better.

Look forward to responses.

[tritonman]

OK now I will give you the old, I told you all so way back at the beginning of this whole mess.  There is a dinner every year for this zeitgeist crowd or foundation or whatever, and there was a video with bill clinton speaking at zeitgeist 07,  You might begin by looking there for clues as to where this group gets its funding.

[White Rose Sophie]

OK now I will give you the old, I told you all so way back at the beginning of this whole mess.  There is a dinner every year for this zeitgeist crowd or foundation or whatever, and there was a video with bill clinton speaking at zeitgeist 07,  You might begin by looking there for clues as to where this group gets its funding.

I think most of us know the mission and purpose of Zeitgeist, there's just a few Z-listers who want to defend it, especially now that it's motives have become known.

[trailhound]

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carrying capacity of the Earth
You fellows seem to have trouble grasping this concept, and it seems to bring a chill up you.
All we're talking about is surveying the Earth, this data is fed into computers, and then we know what we have.
It's a central tenet of Ron Paul's -- living within one's means.

 Dude we are paying farmers to not grow food. This carrying capacity crap is such bullshit. Ever seen 'greening the desert technology' ? Grow a brain for Chrisake!

[BrentonEccles]

OK now I will give you the old, I told you all so way back at the beginning of this whole mess.  There is a dinner every year for this zeitgeist crowd or foundation or whatever, and there was a video with bill clinton speaking at zeitgeist 07,  You might begin by looking there for clues as to where this group gets its funding.

Uh, do your research mate. The Zeitgeist video you're reffering to Bill Clinton being in has absolutely nothing to do with the zeitgeist movement.

This carrying capacity crap is such bullshit

No it's not, it's basic common sense. You wouldn't grow broccoli on a beach. That's what this is about -- effective methods of working with the Earth.
I think that reason why people tingle at the notion of the carrying capacity of the earth is possibly because they think it'd entail a major population reduction or something silly. Not so, we can easily support our current world population (and more!). Jacque will be the first to admit that.

By the way, I can reconcile with you not being able to even consider this new direction. It took me a lot of pondering and research to align with this -- no one is asking you to blindly uphold anything at all, but if you want to be genuinely critical of something then you must fully understand it and that means to consider without frame of reference of other ideas, notions and thoughts.
Anyone who has ever sat an exam where they must refrain from giving their own opinion as much as possible, knows what I'm talking about.