Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[zeke105]

When I first saw Zeitgeist, I knew that first part, regardless of whether it is valid or not, was going to turn off Christians. If he really wanted to suck people in like most claim, he really should have left that part out. Instead, he should have shown the negative aspects of organized religions, i.e. a tool for controlling the masses and taking away their money.

The second one seemed like an advertisement for the Venus Project. The money stuff was good though.

[White Rose Sophie]

When I first saw Zeitgeist, I knew that first part, regardless of whether it is valid or not, was going to turn off Christians. If he really wanted to suck people in like most claim, he really should have left that part out. Instead, he should have shown the negative aspects of organized religions, i.e. a tool for controlling the masses and taking away their money.

The second one seemed like an advertisement for the Venus Project. The money stuff was good though.

Zeitgeist wasn't made to "suck in" Christians, it was made for non-'religious' folk, and specifically to make religious believers look like idiots for believing in that 'nonsense', whether Christian, Jew or Muslim.  (Divide and conquer again)

They have other programs for 'religious' folk.  They infilitrate the churches, the charity groups, the schools, universities, 'religious' media outlets.  They don't use the same techniques on the same targets.

See, they are an equal-opportunity BRAINWASHING program!   

Have 'religious' organizations used 'faith' to strip people of their money?  Absolutely.  Non-religious organizations do exactly the same, just with different motivations.  The one common denominator is man himself.   

[M3rcy]

I just finished Zeitgeist and found the first part just as interesting as every other section. I think it spoke the truth in it's own manner for whatever it's intentions were. I'm a pagan myself and felt a blow from the intro but I understood what they were trying to accomplish. Getting religion another mass manipulation tool out of the way for the other "facts" about the documentary. I can't possibly read this entire thread but I've caught some things here and there and felt I'd add in my "review" as well. 

[Unintelligable Name]

I just finished Zeitgeist and found the first part just as interesting as every other section. I think it spoke the truth in it's own manner for whatever it's intentions were. I'm a pagan myself and felt a blow from the intro but I understood what they were trying to accomplish. Getting religion another mass manipulation tool out of the way for the other "facts" about the documentary. I can't possibly read this entire thread but I've caught some things here and there and felt I'd add in my "review" as well. 

Yeah well FYI the evidence points in the direction that the entire first section of Zeitgeist is a total fabrication hatched out of the minds of theosophists and Acharya S who is a New Ager from what I can tell.

[White Rose Sophie]

Yeah well FYI the evidence points in the direction that the entire first section of Zeitgeist is a total fabrication hatched out of the minds of theosophists and Acharya S who is a New Ager from what I can tell.

Not to mention the fact that Peter Joseph now has said the entire part about 9-11 being an inside job by the government........he no longer believes.  So, I guess 1 outta the 3 parts, is right?

[Dig]

Not to mention the fact that Peter Joseph now has said the entire part about 9-11 being an inside job by the government........he no longer believes.  So, I guess 1 outta the 3 parts, is right?

wait, what the f**k?

is this for real?

[Unintelligable Name]

wait, what the f**k?

is this for real?

Dunno but do we really need more proof that Zeitgeist is agenda ridden beyond a shadow of a doubt?

Perhaps perhaps

[White Rose Sophie]

wait, what the f**k?

is this for real?

Are you being sarcastic, or have you not read the New York Times article?   

[Dok]

The former may be most famous for alleging that the attacks of Sept. 11 were an “inside job” perpetrated by a power-hungry government on its witless population, a point of view that Mr. Joseph said he has recently “moved away from.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/nyregion/17zeitgeist.html?_r=1

[White Rose Sophie]

The former may be most famous for alleging that the attacks of Sept. 11 were an “inside job” perpetrated by a power-hungry government on its witless population, a point of view that Mr. Joseph said he has recently “moved away from.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/nyregion/17zeitgeist.html?_r=1

Thanks for the assist doc.     I just found where I had posted it in the Bible Thumping thread, but we know how terrifying it is to wander onto that one. 

[Dok]

Thanks for the assist doc.     I just found where I had posted it in the Bible Thumping thread, but we know how terrifying it is to wander onto that one. 

Oh, dont i know it.  Its like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Especially when looking for old posts.

[Freeski]

Oh, dont i know it.  Its like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Especially when looking for old posts.

One trick, if the PP search doesn't find it, is to search it through Google with the prisonplanet keyword. It sometimes works.

[Dok]

One trick, if the PP search doesn't find it, is to search it through Google with the prisonplanet keyword. It sometimes works.

I dont think you quite realise just how many posts i have in that one thread. 

[Freeski]

I dont think you quite realise just how many posts i have in that one thread. 

Oh I do. I'm on the list myself and have tried to unsubscribe, unsuccessfully.  But seriously, it's often intriguing... so I'm glad!

[Novus Ordo]

The New York Times Article misquoted his comment on 9/11.

The reporter asked Peter why he didn't talk about 911 in the new film and peter said that
he

"...had said his piece on false flag terrorism and was moving away from those notions and focusing on ideas for true change."

[Dok]

The New York Times Article misquoted his comment on 9/11.

The reporter asked Peter why he didn't talk about 911 in the new film and peter said that
he

"...had said his piece on false flag terrorism and was moving away from those notions and focusing on ideas for true change."

Where exactly is the "mis-quote" and the following correction?

[37]

Three references to doomsday and 2001...


One more peace of propaganda to convince everyone that a lot of people need to die.

[Dok]

"...had said his piece on false flag terrorism and was moving away from those notions and focusing on ideas for true change."

Thats such a joke, the only reason he added any of that stuff in, 9/11, the banking system was to get people to watch the first part. It was his indoctrination video, setting up his Theosophical views in the second movie. Im quite sure the third will be a Luminopolis of Theosophical ideas, probably featuring Benjamin Creme this time.

[White Rose Sophie]

Where exactly is the "mis-quote" and the following correction?

Yes, I'd like to see the retraction in the Times myself.   

[Novus Ordo]

I’m sure PJ at some point will clarify this himself on a radio show or some such thing in the not too distant future eh?
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=3&func=view&id=85094&catid=229#85094

But then again, maybe he wont!
Maybe the ‘Venus boys’ are telling him to ‘move away’ from it eh?

lol...like The Times really gives a shite..lol

Its fun playing devils advocate 

[Dok]

I’m sure PJ at some point will clarify this himself on a radio show or some such thing in the not too distant future eh?
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=3&func=view&id=85094&catid=229#85094

But then again, maybe he wont!
Maybe the ‘Venus boys’ are telling him to ‘move away’ from it eh?

lol...like The Times really gives a shite..lol

Its fun playing devils advocate 

No, you specificatly said "The New York Times Article misquoted his comment on 9/11.". Please point out just what was misquoted. And how you know it was misquoted.

[Novus Ordo]

I just omitted  “Peter asked me to post the fact that” from the admin post Doc?

that’s the one with red type at the top of the link m8?

Not trying to be devious again are you?

[mr anderson]

http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.au/page/3/

David Icke Live In Melbourne: FAQ’s and Important Info

- Will there be any more events held in Australia?

We will be promoting various events related to the Truth Movement this year including our 2 Day Seminar in Sydney where Peter Joseph from Zeitgeist will be giving a 3 hour presentation amongst others. Strawman, Health and Spiritual Teachings will also be discussed.
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Mmmmm interesting 

[White Rose Sophie]

http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.au/page/3/

David Icke Live In Melbourne: FAQ’s and Important Info

- Will there be any more events held in Australia?

We will be promoting various events related to the Truth Movement this year including our 2 Day Seminar in Sydney where Peter Joseph from Zeitgeist will be giving a 3 hour presentation amongst others. Strawman, Health and Spiritual Teachings will also be discussed.
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Mmmmm interesting 

Might be interesting to ask about 9-11 being an inside job, eh?   

[M3rcy]

Yeah well FYI the evidence points in the direction that the entire first section of Zeitgeist is a total fabrication hatched out of the minds of theosophists and Acharya S who is a New Ager from what I can tell.

What evidence??...not being confrontational just curious.

[mr anderson]

http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.au/page/3/

David Icke Live In Melbourne: FAQ’s and Important Info

- Will there be any more events held in Australia?

We will be promoting various events related to the Truth Movement this year including our 2 Day Seminar in Sydney where Peter Joseph from Zeitgeist will be giving a 3 hour presentation amongst others. Strawman, Health and Spiritual Teachings will also be discussed.
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Mmmmm interesting 

Might be interesting to ask about 9-11 being an inside job, eh?  

I'm not even going to associate myself with them.

It's a marketing gravy train group with genuine truthers being co-opted into the ZA / New Age clich by mixing truth with disinformation topics.

[Unintelligable Name]

What evidence??...not being confrontational just curious.

Uhh the load up an astronomy program and look for yourself if the stars align in the manner depicted in Zeitgeist on those specific dates and times kind of evidence.

Or the Historical records supporting the existance of Jesus from various nonchristian sources kind of evidence.

Or the supreme lack of evidence of the claims made in zeitgeist of the various Gods and their similarities to each other kind of evidence.

A truly balanced film analyzing religion would display both arguements for and against it's validity in historical sense. However since it only contains one very extreme viewpoint, that Christianity is merely sun worship, one can only call it propaganda. The ends to which it serves is in line in the United Nations agenda with their Maitreya prophet character on the way. The problem with Christianity is that it has a specific set of criteria from which it will gauge the return of their messiah -- which doesn't play into rallying the world around one religion [their stated goal and essential component of the NWO].

That's about as brief as I could make it.

PS. David Icke is a loon -- evidenced by his belief that he is a chosen one and reptilian aliens run the Governments of the world. And all that New Age crap comparing humanity to machines I keep overhearing whenever someone sticks his ugly mug in a video on Youtube.

[Dig]

The former may be most famous for alleging that the attacks of Sept. 11 were an “inside job” perpetrated by a power-hungry government on its witless population, a point of view that Mr. Joseph said he has recently “moved away from.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/nyregion/17zeitgeist.html?_r=1

holy shit how come there is not a new thread about this?

that was how he got 90% of his z-trolls.

WTF, he no longer believes that 9/11 was an inside job?  He spend like 50% of his movie showing all the evidence of this.  WTF, now it is just magna trains and dum circles  as zombies use sand as currency and go into stores that auomatically replenish their stock through venus wormholes?

This is a total scam, is Ashton Kutcher behind the door waiting to punk me?  I mean this is pretty incredible news for anyone in the truth world.

[Unintelligable Name]

Incredible?

Not....

Peter Joseph is busy brainwashing people into his technocratic biodome hypersocialistic state agenda for one.

That and it was just flypaper for the truthers to stick to so he could push the above agenda with less to no resistance.

Problem reaction solution!

[AgentExeider]

Wow!

i just read this topics pages over, and I'm sure the NWO is laughing their asses off in their Ivory towers.

I bet they are thinking "If these two disparate groups can't come together  then what the hell do we need to worry about."

to be honest, some of these post smack of paranoia. I'm not saying either AJ or PJ are saints but the common threads among both movements is we need to remove the NWO elements from our society.

If we keep fighting amongst ourselves, eating at each other, we kill consume each other rather then work on getting rid of the NWO.

Also If Alex manages to form a army of Free Humanity into a million man strong kind of army or more, then isn't that a large community? So then this large group manages to get rid of the NWO. then what?

what is the solution from AJ's side of the table? At least PJ offers a solution, but if your right and this solution is just as dangerous, then what is the alternative? I would like to know.

its easy to say, oh it would be a free and just sociaty, But what kind of orginization will it be, if any? Even the founding fathers had an basic frame work and idea to work for. So what's a solution that AJ would sign off on?

Would there be money?
Would there be a leadership structure? If so what kind?
What about Infrastructure? Food? Electricity? Water?
How would the community what ever the size, interact with other communities? Cities? States? Nations?

Is it all possible to have humans work together for the common good of the planet? Can humans work together to better themselves and society?

I am a bit at a loss for a solution. As I said I am not a hard liner for any side of this discussion and would like some answers.

the fact that this topic has created a Paradigm, either AJ or PJ. resembles the same trap that the NWO has set. and the fact that some people in here seem to be trolling, I'm not sure if I should cry Provocateur or if its just trolling.

I am just an honest man looking for an honest answer.

Can we just all get along and fight the real bad guys?

-AgentExeider
-Æ

[Novus Ordo]

holy shit how come there is not a new thread about this?

that was how he got 90% of his z-trolls.

WTF, he no longer believes that 9/11 was an inside job?  He spend like 50% of his movie showing all the evidence of this.  WTF, now it is just magna trains and dum circles  as zombies use sand as currency and go into stores that auomatically replenish their stock through venus wormholes?

This is a total scam, is Ashton Kutcher behind the door waiting to punk me?  I mean this is pretty incredible news for anyone in the truth world.

It’s already been de-bunked Sane?
(not that there was much meat on this particular bone in the first place).

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=3&func=view&id=85094&catid=229#85094

but like I've already said ......
I’m sure PJ at some point will clarify this himself on a radio show or some such thing in the not too distant future eh?


But then again, maybe he wont!
Maybe the ‘Venus boys’ are telling him to ‘move away’ from it eh?

lol...like The Times really gives a shite..lol

Its fun playing devils advocate 

[Dok]

Wheres the retraction in the NY Times. Sorry sport i fully believe he was quoted correctly, the only reason he put that stuff in their was to infiltrate the truth movement. Now people are waking up to what his real agenda is. A Theosophical Technocracy.

[Dok]

The former may be most famous for alleging that the attacks of Sept. 11 were an “inside job” perpetrated by a power-hungry government on its witless population, a point of view that Mr. Joseph said he has recently “moved away from.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/nyregion/17zeitgeist.html?_r=1

[zeke105]

Not that I am necessarily defending PJ, but when someone says something like "moved away from”, it sounds more like coercion.

[Novus Ordo]

Wheres the retraction in the NY Times. Sorry sport i fully believe he was quoted correctly, the only reason he put that stuff in their was to infiltrate the truth movement. Now people are waking up to what his real agenda is. A Theosophical Technocracy.

So if PJ actually says he was misquoted that’s not good enough?
You want a full retraction from the paper?
Please….

The only reason you guys are clinging on to this tenuous misquote.. Erm’ let me think..  Anything to do with the fact that it helps sort out that gaping hole in your whole argument?
You know the one, why would the same power system that perpetrated 911 promote a movement that is trying to expose something that they would prefer remained covered up?

The truth is ‘the spirit of the age’ is one of waking up to the truth about Sun worship and its origins. Just because there is very little of it written in English doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
Because you and so many of your brethren here are so heavily conditioned with
religious indoctrinations, you refuse to accept what’s staring you in the face. Instead you become threatened by it so you have to attack it. only natural given the history,
I mean, Catholic/Christian systems keeping a lid on things that contradict there view?
Never!
+ you guys spend so much time arguing amongst yourselves, how you expect to drive humanity forward through the next century is beyond me.
(us ‘evos’ haven’t been able to get a word in edge ways recently)

You’ll love the very ending of that new movie ‘Knowing’ Doc’, or maybe you wont?
It is after all just another one of those silly films but the end scene could ironically provide a platform for minds like ours to constructively debate our belief systems!
I just choked on my coffee then, maybe not.

[Novus Ordo]

was just incase they dont read the other thread Doc'?

lol

[Novus Ordo]

de-bunked
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=3&func=view&id=85094&catid=229#85094

[Dok]

de-bunked
http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=3&func=view&id=85094&catid=229#85094

Sure is.  covering all bases.

Sorry dude, thats like Bush 1 saying New World Order, and then saying hes misquoted. Or its out of context. Get over it. Your man played you all.

[Dok]

You’ll love the very ending of that new movie ‘Knowing’ Doc’, or maybe you wont?

Oh you mean about the "aliens", woops. 

Sorry sport but the Bible speaks quite a lot about these beings. And they are defenatly not from another planet. But hey, you can believe that. Maybe PJ will put that in his next movie since the "space brothers", are mixed up with his Maityreya and Heirarchy.

[Novus Ordo]

Sure is.  covering all bases.

Sorry dude, thats like Bush 1 saying New World Order, and then saying hes misquoted. Or its out of context. Get over it. Your man played you all.

I think you’ll find the ‘video’ evidence reference bush 1 makes that analogy null & void but what will you say if we get ’video’ evidence from PJ stating he was misquoted?

Look..

I am largely self sufficient I spend most of my time outside I have a good relationship and understanding of nature, I don’t need anyone telling me the climate isn’t changing!
I believe our consumption and waist is appalling!

But I do not know

if the two have a relationship.
I do believe the former will have an impact on the later, and yes I feel this is a good thing.

Yes I like Zeitgeist as a documentary to wake people up!

No I’m not a big fan of ’The V Project’ I admitted some time ago I got all excited a bit too quick, should have looked a little closer.
While generally is has a lot of merit the idea of living in a bubble looking out on a large central dome doesn’t sound like much fun to me, I  worry about the ’blade runner’ element too much I cant see how they could have someone like me running
around on the outside.

But it’s all a long long way off & probably wont resemble anything like the V Project.