Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[Kilgore Trout]

so Liberty isnt enough? you think Liberty causes scarcity? i dont get it, youre saying Liberty is a great message but we should do something else because of some fantasy of a technocratic utopia of possibly generations into the future that we're going to somehow wish ourselves into? i dont get it?

cant you see, Liberty is how we would get to abundance, not fancy talk of "managing our resources in harmony with the earth"  (not a direct quote) or "when we arrive at abundance, all will be well" (paraphrasing).

Z and ZA ideas are wishy washy at best, i relate them to when i hear obama say stuff like "lets hope for change we can believe in, yes we can"

But would you call what we have now even close to liberty? I am free to be a slave , to survive I must work , but work has become how I spend most of my time. I make just enough to support my family week to week. I do not thrive in the current system ,to paraphrase a quote "at least the slave master used to have to feed and cloth his slaves and now the slaves must do that for themselves". Where is the liberty, it's just an idea like democracy , it's not even real, all just attempts at cohesion but not reaLISTIC.

[Jackson Holly]

In my last post I was trying to link to a particular page showing the corporate info for GMP, LLC - PJs company.

I don't know why the link takes you to the homepage instead ... anyway, here is the info I refer to:

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NYS Department of State

Division of Corporations


Entity Information

Selected Entity Name:          41 MCCLAIN LLC

Selected Entity Status Information

Current Entity Name:          GMP, LLC

Initial DOS Filing Date:    NOVEMBER 28, 2001

County:                       WESTCHESTER

Jurisdiction:                      NEW YORK

Entity Type:                      DOMESTIC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Current Entity Status:           ACTIVE

Selected Entity Address Information DOS Process
(Address to which DOS will mail process if accepted on behalf of the entity)

Registered Agent :NONE

NOTE: New York State does not issue organizational identification numbers.

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I don't know if this is important information or not ... what I do find intriguing, though, is Mr. Joseph's desire to remain so incognito.

[pac522]

In my last post I was trying to link to a particular page showing the corporate info for GMP, LLC - PJs company.

I don't know why the link takes you to the homepage instead ... anyway, here is the info I refer to:

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NYS Department of State

Division of Corporations


Entity Information

Selected Entity Name:          41 MCCLAIN LLC

Selected Entity Status Information

Current Entity Name:          GMP, LLC

Initial DOS Filing Date:    NOVEMBER 28, 2001

County:                       WESTCHESTER

Jurisdiction:                      NEW YORK

Entity Type:                      DOMESTIC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Current Entity Status:           ACTIVE

Selected Entity Address Information DOS Process
(Address to which DOS will mail process if accepted on behalf of the entity)

Registered Agent :NONE

NOTE: New York State does not issue organizational identification numbers.

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I don't know if this is important information or not ... what I do find intriguing, though, is Mr. Joseph's desire to remain so incognito.
 

After looking at it a couple of times Jackson, what I come up with is that I see that PJ's company is an abbreviation and not the full legal name, G(period), M(period), P(period), G.M.P. where James Coyman's actual legal corporation's name is GMP.

I think, reference entity from our registrar is some double speak bullshit that means its an abbreviation that we refer our company name to. Now we just need to find out what G.M.P. stands for.

[trailhound]

Now we just need to find out what G.M.P. stands for.

God Man Productions?
Goy Military Police?
Grand Master Plan?
Goy Master Pelosi?
Girls Make Porn?
Grand Master Peter?

[Dig]

global matrix propaganda
gump makes picture
gnostic methusala productions
gooey mucky putty

[trailhound]

global matrix propaganda
gump makes picture
gnostic methusala productions
gooey mucky putty

 i feel really dumb for not thinking of global matrix propaganda that hits the nail on the head

[Dig]

i feel really dumb for not thinking of global matrix propaganda that hits the nail on the head

it was a team effort

[Joseon]

Last post. Because obviously you've made up your mind.

First, communism has a leader. It's still a money based system.

Second, without money, there is no elite because there would be nothing to have power over.

Third, with abundance there's no competition so there are no wars, no rules, no laws, etc.

Just like Phoenix said, It's a system unlike we've ever had before. Will it work? Who knows? Is it a good idea. Most definitely; mostly because the system we have now is broken. As long as people are starving and suffering, another way must be found.

Fourth, the philosophy presented by PJ and the venus project are going to take a VERY LONG TIME to work, if they even work at all. They are merely ideas. They are a project, nothing more.

Take it or leave it.

You keep on telling Sane that he won't change his mind. Is he supposed to? Are you trying to change his mind?

He'll leave it instead of taking it. I can't believe you are arguing over this to a respected member on this forum. I learned alot and I definately see Sane's point about Peter Joseph. This Venus project is nothing more than a thinly veiled disguise at creating a New World Order. The  Z.A is part of the Global Matrix Propaganda.
A cashless society, abundance, no scarcity is the same as the religion of the ruling elites.

[Jackson Holly]

Green Mountain Post

This is the most-likely-candidate that I have found - a Documentary Production outfit:

Green Mountain Post Films
PO Box 229, Turners Falls, MA 01376
(413)863-4754 * * * Fax: (413)863-8248
email: info@gmpfilms.com

http://www.gmpfilms.com/index.html



"Green Mountain Post Films is an award winning film and video production company. Our unique and dramatic documentaries have been broadcast nationally and have played at venues such as Lincoln Center, Madison Square Garden, and the Pompidou Center. We have worked with corporations to create dynamic visual communications that meet their marketing and training needs.

In operation since 1975, GMP offers a full line of production and post-production services. We can produce your film from script to screen or work on any phase of the production.

And our background in independent film making has made us experts on creating innovative, exciting programming at very competitive prices.

We also work closely with Fulton Enterprises and Searchlight Films and are able to bring their resources and expertise to any production. Their specialties include aerial, time-lapse, and steadicam photography."

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I have scanned over much of the site .... have found no references to "Peter Joseph" ... still don't know if that is his real name, anyway.

Here's a link to FULTON ENTERPRISES mentioned above: http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_h62wdm

... and SEARCHLIGHT FILMS - Green Mountain is listed as a client. http://www.searchlightfilms.com/clients/

I did send an email to Green Mountain Post enquiring if they produced/distributed the ZEITGEIST film.
I'll post their reply if any.



Of course, this could be a dead end.

[Jackson Holly]

Well ....

I received back an eMail from Green Mountain Post ... it does look like a dead end. Sorry!

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Afraid that it is not ours and we do not know anything about it.

good luck


Charles Light
Footage Farm/GMP Films/epiphany Records
PO Box 229 Turners Falls, MA  01376
(888) 270-1414/(413)863-9264/863-8248 (fax)
<clight@footagefarm.com> <clight@gmpfilms.com>
<http://www.footagefarm.com> <http://www.gmpfilms.com>

FOOTAGE LIBRARY OF THE YEAR! FOCAL International Awards 2007

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Hi:

I am trying to find out information on the documentary films ZEITGEIST and ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM produced by Peter Joseph. It is listed as a G. M. P. production - is that in reference to Green Mountain Post? Were you involved in production / distribution?

Thanks in advance for your kind response.

Sincerely,
Jackson Holly

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[Dok]

Alice Bailey took over from Blavatsky the leadership of Theosophy. Her spirit guide "Djwhal Khul" wrote a book through her called "The Externalization of the Hierarchy". Here are some excerpts from that book, see if they sound familiar.

"The problem of money will have to be faced; the problem of the distribution of wealth - whether natural or human - will need careful handling and a compromise reached between those nations which possess unlimited resources and those who have few or none; the problem of the varying forms of national government must be faced with courage and insight; the restoration - psychological, spiritual and physical - of mankind must constitute a primary responsibility. The sense of security must be put on a firm basis - the basis of right relationship, and not the basis of force. Men must feel secure because they are seeking to develop international goodwill and can trust each other, and are not therefore dependent upon the strength of their armies and fleets."

“The new world order will be founded on the recognition that all men are equal in origin and goal but that all are at differing stages of evolutionary development; that personal integrity, intelligence, vision and experience, plus a marked goodwill, should indicate leadership. The domination of the proletariat over the aristocracy and bourgeoisie, as in Russia, or the domination of an entrenched aristocracy over the proletariat and middle classes, as has been until lately the case in Great Britain, must disappear. The control of labor by capital or the control of capital by labor must also go.” 

“In the new world order, the governing body in any nation should be composed of those who work for the greatest good of the greatest number and who at the same time offer opportunity to all, seeing to it that the individual is left free. Today the men of vision are achieving recognition, thus making possible a right choice of leaders. It was not possible until this century.” 

“The new world order will be founded on an active sense of responsibility. The rule will be "all for one and one for all." This attitude among nations will have to be developed. It is not yet present.”
 

 “In the preparatory period for the new world order there will be a steady and regulated disarmament. It will not be optional. No nation will be permitted to produce and organize any equipment for destructive purposes or to infringe the security of any other nation. One of the first tasks of any future peace conference will be to regulate this matter and gradually see to the disarming of the nations.” 

“These are the simple and general premises upon which the new world order must begin its work. These preliminary stages must be kept fluid and experimental; the vision of possibility must never be lost, and the foundations must be preserved inviolate, but the intermediate processes and the experimentations must be carried forward by men who, having the best interests of the whole at heart, can change the detail of organization whilst preserving the life of the organism.”

[pac522]

Alice Bailey took over from Blavatsky the leadership of Theosophy. Her spirit guide "Djwhal Khul" wrote a book through her called "The Externalization of the Hierarchy". Here are some excerpts from that book, see if they sound familiar. ....

It sounds wonderful doesn't?  Until they start asking people to kill themselves for the greater good of the herd.

Sure, I'll do it....right after you...(not you dok, I'm just talking out loud)

[sociostudent]

Zeitgeist creator Peter Joesph has announced a third documentary film in his series, which has the working title of 'Zeitgeist III: Tabula Rasa' and will be releaed in October 2010.

He said this new film will deal with "The Myth of Human Nature" and further promote The Zeitgeist Movement.

Now, I know you people are going to attack me for saying this, but I am a member of the Zeitgeist Movement.  Then again, I am a member of a lot of movements.   I guess I like moving.

Having said that, I am aware of a lot of the flaws in the documentaries.

I also get a lot of criticism from within the movement for my studies of Astro-Theology despite the original Zeitgeist featuring a large piece on it.  Similarly I have come under fire from Zeitgeist leaders for believing in a conpiracy involving Freemasonry and Saturnalia.  They don't like me to talk about these subjects.

Alex Jones said that he supported a lot of what Peter Joseph said in the previous documentaries.  I was wondering if, without arguining with me, you could come up with some intelligent suggestions as to what topics Peter Joseph should cover in the third installment of his series.  He tends to cover more than one.  Is there a way to redeem himself in the eyes of Alex Jones' Movement?

I think Mr. Joseph needs to open up his perspectives regarding nature vs. nurture a little more and use less subliminal messaging and mind-control techniques. That would be a start.

[Kilgore Trout]

I think Mr. Joseph needs to open up his perspectives regarding nature vs. nurture a little more and use less subliminal messaging and mind-control techniques. That would be a start.

What part is subliminal, it seems "heretical" straightforward.

[sociostudent]

What part is subliminal, it seems "heretical" straightforward.

Yeah, I was being nice 

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

But would you call what we have now even close to liberty?

no, not really. at best id say it vaguely resembles some aspects of liberty.

i get this alot, people equating what we've got now to liberty, but we've got, what we've pretty much always had is a feudal type mercantilism that's just taken on a rather more "modern" appearance, in corporations, central banks, global, you know.

individual sovereignty is not to blame, it is the basis for community, i fail to see any other way except some kind of direct democracy or utopian daydream where everybody has "learned" to make the "right" decisions, and even when people disagree, such is the will of those "learned" people that they can "persuade" them otherwise. it doesnt make any sense, it seems like mob rule to me, majority vote/will.

maybe one day this dawning of consciousness will happen, maybe one day we'll all just wake up and realise whats the point in fighting, who knows, i certainly hope we do, but i would have thought we would arrive there by things like mutual respect, charity, voluntary action, and these are all things that make up liberty.

[pgilmo]

WHO IS PETER JOSEPH?


Director Peter Joseph speaking at Artivist's Opening Night
and the Global Premier of his film, "Zeitgeist Addendum".

http://www.artivists.org/

Presenting The 2008 Artivist Award Winners!

"ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM" 
Director: Peter Joseph
Best Feature - Artivist Spirit Award

Premiering his highly anticipated sequel to "Zeitgeist." The failure of our world to resolve the issue of war, poverty, and corruption, rests within a gross ignorance about what guides human behavior to begin with. ‘Zeitgeist-Addendum' addresses the true source of the instability in our society, while offering the only fundamental, long term solution. Director Peter Joseph has the ability to take risky subject matter and turn it into a visually, emotionally, and intellectually compelling case for a "greater point of view." "Millions of people gravitated toward Peter's first film.  We are excited that this year's Artivist Film Festival will provide a platform to once again, pique the curiosity of millions of viewers and continue the dialogue about topics concerning citizens worldwide," stated Artivist Co-Founder Dr. Bettina Wolff.

ON RECEIVING AN ARTIVIST AWARD:   "I am absolutely honored.  Artivist is a role model for the media industry which placates people with "numbing entertainment", as opposed to films that inspire and challenge them, which is what Artivist is really about." 

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Above is one of the few rare pictures of the guy. DENTON: Is that another pic of him (from AJs studio) in your post?

Apparently many people are trying to track down WHO he is - what are his motives - who is backing him, if anyone - and why all the mystery, dude?

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie



Produced by    Peter Joseph
Written by    Peter Joseph
Distributed by    GMP LLC
Release date(s) 2007
Running time    122 min
Language    English
Followed by    Zeitgeist: Addendum

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Note the distributor is given as:  GMP LLC. Here is the State of NY entry from public records.

http://appsext8.dos.state.ny.us/corp_public/CORPSEARCH.
ENTITY_INFORMATION?p_nameid=2724855&p_corpid=2703094&p_entity_name=
GMP&p_name_type=%25&p_search_type=BEGINS&p_srch_results_page=2

Notice that James Coyman is the only person named under the GMP LLC ownership.

Is PETER JOSEPH the same as JAMES COYMAN? If not, who IS Mr. Coyman?

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First, from a page from the ZEITGEIST site:  http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/q&a.htm

Who is Peter Joseph and how did Zeitgeist come to be?
Peter was born in North Carolina to a middle class family.
He later moved to New York initially to attend art school. Currently he lives and works in New York City as a freelance film editor/composer/producer for various industries.

Zeitgeist came into existence as a personal project which was shown in New York as a free public awareness expression. After the event was over, "The Movie" was tossed online with little thought given to a public response. Within a month, the film was getting record views. Months later, the "Final Edition" was completed. In total, the views for "Zeitgeist, The Movie" have exceeded 50,000,000 on Google video alone. Considering the other posts in different formats, along with public screenings, it is estimated that the total world views are well over 100 Million.

In Oct. 2008, "Zeitgeist Addendum" was released as a continuation of the first film, focusing on the core issues relevant to the subject of human corruption, while in turn offering a solution. As of two months after its release online, the average daily views have been 50,000, making a total of 3,000,000 views total thus far.

There are people online who say Peter Joseph is a fake name. Is this true?
No, this is not true. There has been a propaganda campaign against the project from various sources, one of which took the name GMP LCC and blindly punched it into a business database in NY and came up with the name "James Coyman" from upstate NY. What they didn't realize is that G.M.P. LLC is a reference entity from our registrar and is not the GMP LLC of James Coyman. We apologize to James Coyman if he has been bothered.

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What does "reference entity from our registrar " mean? Does anybody know? Does anyone have more information on who he is?

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"Reference entity for our registrar" simply means that G.M.P. LLC is registered to reference Peter's company. It's not worded like that to cover up some conspiracy. Lol.

You wont find much about it, for there are no other productions he has done other than the Zeitgeist movies.

However, GMP LLC is James Coyman's company name, which was later made out by propagandists to be PJ's real name. Untrue.

As for why all the mystery behind him, here's a reasonable explanation:

"For whatever it is worth, I met Peter at the Addendum showing in Hollywood and he is a genuin person with a good heart and from what i can gather doesn't really want to turn into a leader/guru. He feels he is just an average guy that put together these ideas that anyone can understand and really looks to the VP for a model to follow. I think this thing kinda took him by surprise...he seems to be a 'fame shy' kinda guy."

And he talks about this and how Zeitgeist evolved in the beginning of this interview with George Noory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaF43UO9Aro

And I believe he will start to make more media apperances in the next year. Here's a actual video interview of the "man behind the curtain":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQRnjBRET6k

Btw, that picture from artivists.org doesn't look like him compared to the other picture or from the video. 

Also I don't want to continue to divide us, but I just think some are seeing things that are not there and making gross misinterpretations because of their view of the world.

These dialogues remind me of debating a Christian. At some point you always have to give up. If someone truly believes something or wants to believe it there is simply nothing you can do.

To those who don't have their mind made up already, you should look at this from an objective perspective and think for yourself.

But to those who haven't, looking forward to your paranoid jokes and mockery.

[Jackson Holly]

pgilmo:

"Reference entity for our registrar" simply means that G.M.P. LLC is registered to reference Peter's company. It's not worded like that to cover up some conspiracy. Lol.

You wont find much about it, for there are no other productions he has done other than the Zeitgeist movies.

However, GMP LLC is James Coyman's company name, which was later made out by propagandists to be PJ's real name. Untrue.

As for why all the mystery behind him, here's a reasonable explanation:

"For whatever it is worth, I met Peter at the Addendum showing in Hollywood and he is a genuin person with a good heart and from what i can gather doesn't really want to turn into a leader/guru. He feels he is just an average guy that put together these ideas that anyone can understand and really looks to the VP for a model to follow. I think this thing kinda took him by surprise...he seems to be a 'fame shy' kinda guy."

And he talks about this and how Zeitgeist evolved in the beginning of this interview with George Noory:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaF43UO9Aro

And I believe he will start to make more media apperances in the next year. Here's a actual video interview of the "man behind the curtain":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQRnjBRET6k

Btw, that picture from artivists.org doesn't look like him compared to the other picture or from the video.

Also I don't want to continue to divide us, but I just think some are seeing things that are not there and making gross misinterpretations because of their view of the world.

These dialogues remind me of debating a Christian. At some point you always have to give up. If someone truly believes something or wants to believe it there is simply nothing you can do.

To those who don't have their mind made up already, you should look at this from an objective perspective and think for yourself.

But to those who haven't, looking forward to your paranoid jokes and mockery.

Thanks for responding to my post ... much appreciated. I trust you have read through the thread and see why I might be interested in finding out more about PJ and his company. I just started googling around ... saw that there was a lot of confusion about his 'company' name GMP (apparently confused with another company by the same name) ... and then I confused the issue more by confusing it with Green Mountain Post ... yet another GMP documentary production company!

I've listened to the C-to-C interview ... and have the youtube interview on now.

"Technology is our divinity today ..." was the defining quote I have gotten from that interview so far ... and he seemed to be saying that is a positive thing.

Do you know if his real name is Peter Joseph?

Do you know how the films were funded?

[Scootle]

He looks like the kind of guy who'd have a robot girlfriend...

[pgilmo]

pgilmo:

Thanks for responding to my post ... much appreciated. I trust you have read through the thread and see why I might be interested in finding out more about PJ and his company. I just started googling around ... saw that there was a lot of confusion about his 'company' name GMP (apparently confused with another company by the same name) ... and then I confused the issue more by confusing it with Green Mountain Post ... yet another GMP documentary production company!

I've listened to the C-to-C interview ... and have the youtube interview on now.

"Technology is our divinity today ..." was the defining quote I have gotten from that interview so far ... and he seemed to be saying that is a positive thing.

Do you know if his real name is Peter Joseph?

Do you know how the films were funded?

As far as I know, yes that is his real name. Although I haven't seen his drivers license. Lol.

I've been following this since pretty much the beginning and originally it was just Peter J (obviously to remain anonymous). So if that was a fake name, then that means he originally kept his "fake name" anonymous. LOL.

You got to understand that he didn't expect any of this just throwing the movie online for free. It went viral and so I guess that's why he remained anonymous. He said he had to go back and deal with all the legal hassles. But now he is slowly becoming more public.

As for how it was funded, the Q&A says "Peter funded the films with personal funds generated from his commercial work."

The first film wasn't that expensive as it was mostly just compilations. He said the second was a lot more. We don't know how much it cost or how much money he has. But I don't know why it matters anyway.

Because the fundamental ideas presented in ZA compared to the NWO are pretty much the opposite. I guess some people are fundamentally against "collectivism", no matter what form. Or they fear "technology" or "centralization" or they say "who is gonna decide?".

The answer is no one does. And the question is how not who. The decisions are arrived at by the introduction of newer technologies and the carrying capacity of the earth. Computers could provide this information with electronic sensors throughout the entire industrial, physical complex.

Also, without money - the basis for control and most corruption would be eliminated.

People just don't understand how this type of system would work because they have no frame of reference.

[Pheonix Renewed]

I also think that he just honestly believes what he has put out there. I don't believe that he has ill intent. He may not agree with the "truther" belief that only total anarchy can make life bearable, but I struggle to get myself to accept the idea that this in and of itself makes him a bad person or "disinfo."

[Jackson Holly]

OK, it is beginning to look more like he just almost stumbled and bumbled into this whirlwind.

Perhaps his ideas are meant to be understood as more theoretical ... a really Utopian, pie-in-the-sky wish list more than real solutions.

... And for now I will dismiss my notions that he was somehow connected/funded by - I don't know, let's say the Obama/Banker crowd - to further legitimize the NWO/New Age agenda. You know, to create a solid counter~buzz to Alex Jones, etc, Infowars.

 ... and I will also assume there is no connection with Richard Garriott's TABULA RASA, the online game:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabula_Rasa_(computer_game)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Garriott

http://www.playtr.com/index.html

[squarepusher]

To be frank, I don't like the smug, hippie look of him. Frankly, I was really taken aback by his whole demeanor when he was on the Alex Jones show.

Most people were angry at Alex and accusing him of engaging in Bill O'Reilly conversation tactics - in fact, I begged to differ. I thought Peter Joseph was being very condescending and arrogant - and this no doubt contributed to some ill temper on Alex's part.

For instance, Peter Joseph made unnecessary remarks to the effect of 'you have your own self-preservation', 'you know why you have your little DVD, 'conspiracy', '19.95' packages?' and 'that's a religious connotation'. In fact, to quote Alan Watt, I do not understand why Peter Joseph gets so upset about what 'others think' in terms of spirituality. So, you don't believe in anything else. Fine, you subscribe to the Richard Dawkins school, the British Humanist Association. Fine. Now why do you want to enforce your own belief system unto others? Isn't that what you accuse the religious people of doing?

Ever since that interview, I have had to revise my entire opinion on Zeitgeist the Movie and Addendum. And looking at it objectively, I catched myself during the first Zeitgeist just blindly accepting whatever Peter Joseph spouted at me, like he was some sort of guru and I, as a lower primitive, just needed to be absorbing all this stuff, and if I couldn't, I was just a dumber primitive life form. He really passes himself off like that. It's the Noam Chomsky doctrine - talk really slow and with a dull droning voice, pass yourself off as this supreme intellectual, and pretend to have all the answers even when you have none.

For instance, when Peter Joseph talks about 'reconditioning' and Alex equates that to 're-education', Peter Joseph says 'that is taking it out of context and you know that'. NO, PETER, IT IS NOT - and frankly, I can't understand for the life of me how you fail to see the obvious connections between what you're saying on Zeitgeist Addendum and what Charles Darwin was describing in 'The Next Million Years', or Alice Bailey's 'Externalization of the hierarchy'. You use terms like 'sustainibility' and 'carrying capacity of the Earth' - that last term in particular is used by the UN/global warming/Malthusian economists/Gaia worshippers.

[sociostudent]

To be frank, I don't like the smug, hippie look of him. Frankly, I was really taken aback by his whole demeanor when he was on the Alex Jones show.

Most people were angry at Alex and accusing him of engaging in Bill O'Reilly conversation tactics - in fact, I begged to differ. I thought Peter Joseph was being very condescending and arrogant - and this no doubt contributed to some ill temper on Alex's part.

For instance, Peter Joseph made unnecessary remarks to the effect of 'you have your own self-preservation', 'you know why you have your little DVD, 'conspiracy', '19.95' packages?' and 'that's a religious connotation'. In fact, to quote Alan Watt, I do not understand why Peter Joseph gets so upset about what 'others think' in terms of spirituality. So, you don't believe in anything else. Fine, you subscribe to the Richard Dawkins school, the British Humanist Association. Fine. Now why do you want to enforce your own belief system unto others? Isn't that what you accuse the religious people of doing?

Ever since that interview, I have had to revise my entire opinion on Zeitgeist the Movie and Addendum. And looking at it objectively, I catched myself during the first Zeitgeist just blindly accepting whatever Peter Joseph spouted at me, like he was some sort of guru and I, as a lower primitive, just needed to be absorbing all this stuff, and if I couldn't, I was just a dumber primitive life form. He really passes himself off like that. It's the Noam Chomsky doctrine - talk really slow and with a dull droning voice, pass yourself off as this supreme intellectual, and pretend to have all the answers even when you have none.

For instance, when Peter Joseph talks about 'reconditioning' and Alex equates that to 're-education', Peter Joseph says 'that is taking it out of context and you know that'. NO, PETER, IT IS NOT - and frankly, I can't understand for the life of me how you fail to see the obvious connections between what you're saying on Zeitgeist Addendum and what Charles Darwin was describing in 'The Next Million Years', or Alice Bailey's 'Externalization of the hierarchy'. You use terms like 'sustainibility' and 'carrying capacity of the Earth' - that last term in particular is used by the UN/global warming/Malthusian economists/Gaia worshippers.

+1. Good post.

[Joseon]

really, really good post squarepusher. I also see peter Joseph pushing an agenda and not an idea. He was critisizing Alex jones for the 19.95 DVD price marketing ploy. Mr. Joseph, is that the best you got against Alex Jones?

Also Peter Joseph was really getting annoying with the blank slate, we are all conditioned
by our environmental needs. He mentioned languages and culture. Alex countered with spiders knowing how to build webs and birds learning how to build a nest. Mr. Joseph still countered the environmental factors of Birds learning how to build nests. Alex says, that Peter has issues. Of course Mr. Joseph has issues, if he can't agree that genetics account for much of animals and mankind. If can't agree that birds learn how to build nests through it genetic programming.

[Kilgore Trout]

really, really good post squarepusher. I also see peter Joseph pushing an agenda and not an idea. He was critisizing Alex jones for the 19.95 DVD price marketing ploy. Mr. Joseph, is that the best you got against Alex Jones?

Also Peter Joseph was really getting annoying with the blank slate, we are all conditioned
by our environmental needs. He mentioned languages and culture. Alex countered with spiders knowing how to build webs and birds learning how to build a nest. Mr. Joseph still countered the environmental factors of Birds learning how to build nests. Alex says, that Peter has issues. Of course Mr. Joseph has issues, if he can't agree that genetics account for much of animals and mankind. If can't agree that birds learn how to build nests through it genetic programming.

I contend that genetics are triggered by environment. If you are born in zero G , do you think you would learn to walk? We are taught to walk by those in our environment in reaction to gravity. So if you take any creature out of it's natural environment how could we know if it would learn and react differently?

If you were adopted by violent people and then abused , but your biological parents were not violent, would the chances be greater that you too would be violent?, I think yes.

[Dig]

I contend that genetics are triggered by environment. If you are born in zero G , do you think you would learn to walk? We are taught to walk by those in our environment in reaction to gravity. So if you take any creature out of it's natural environment how could we know if it would learn and react differently?

If you were adopted by violent people and then abused , but your biological parents were not violent, would the chances be greater that you too would be violent?, I think yes.

trauma based mind control can have affect on a human being's actions.  This is proven with many experiments including the holocaust, genocides in arab lands, mk ultra, etc. But this is all built on deception, coersion, conspiracy, peer pressure, etc. The affect does not compare to the human spirit, freewill, or the genuine beauty of the human being.  Once a victim awakens to the truth, they are usually remourseful and see clearly right from wrong (there are of course limited exceptions to this).  The 10,000 highest people in the NWO may be beyond reproach and have undergone decades of delutional egoistic psychotic episodes.  However, a majority of others either come clean, somehow engage in false rationalizaion (semi-deluded perpetual state), or require so much psycotropic drugs (includeing alcohol) to numb the pain of their crimes. Again there are exceptions to this rule.  The NWO has been working for centuries on building an artificial reality to promote the deceptions, coersions, peer pressure.  But the key is that this is an artificial reality.  It has no basis in truth and is the only way to attempt worldwide mind control.  They know that over 90% will not follow this artificial reality and that is another reason for the depopulation plans.  They have spent 10s of trillions on trying to deny freewill and the human spirit.  They have, are, and will continue to fail.  They have failed 6,000 years ago, 2,000 years ago, 1,000 years ago, few hundred years ago, and will fail again now.

[Jackson Holly]

squarepusher:

Great post ... you nailed it more succinctly than any of the rest of us on this thread IMHO.

And KILGORE:

I contend that genetics are triggered by environment. If you are born in zero G , do you think you would learn to walk? We are taught to walk by those in our environment in reaction to gravity. So if you take any creature out of it's natural environment how could we know if it would learn and react differently?

We humans are pretty weak and worthless as newborns ... I can't say why or how that came to be. Most other mammals hit the ground running ... ever seen a horse just born?

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

Also, without money - the basis for control and most corruption would be eliminated.

this statement always makes me giggle...you reckon, huh? that would be a fancy trick!

money is just a means of trade, hate to burst your bubble, but just "getting rid of money", however laughable a concept, would merely reduce trade, make it more difficult. now, what i think you really mean is everybody putting on care bear suits and sitting in a fluffy cloud somewhere sharing everything but also having plenty for everybody, but really thats just a daydream, a fantasy, a utopia...

and im the one who cant understand it, huh? what do you think is going to happen? lets "re-educate the masses" then abolish private property (which is what you and PJ are really talking about - my right to own something), then we'll build robots to do all the work...and get this, the weirdest part is you are absolutely serious!


*edit* +1 for squarepushers post as well.

[Dig]

Concerning environment and freewill: Case Study-Gitmo Terrorist training facility...

The 4 suicides at Gitmo created a very odd  response from neo-cons.  They called it a PR stunt and were really upset at the act after so much investment was made.

What investment are they talking about?  Could it be that they are pissed that the terrorist training facility with the hundreds of millions in "environmental controls" failed to deny the freewill and human spirit of these men?

What about Cathy O'Brien and Brice Taylor?  They had millions of dollars in environmental control including multigenerational incest and child molestation.  But, they are peaceful people who are speading truth wherever they can. Has the billion dollar programs relinquished them of their free will?

[yfk29tnc]

i recently saw most of Alex's interview with Peter Joseph.. i guess it's old news now.. i'm a little behind the times it seems.
i believe Alex is right about competitiveness being inherited genetically. his arguments about spiders and their webs, birds instinctive navigation. spot on. great argument. not much Pete can say there.
however all he is accomplishing by belittling Peter Joseph through constant interuptions and shouting is giving us all the impression Alex is a total ass who's jealous of Peter's sucess. is it all about egos Alex? are you afraid Peters film will influence more people than yours?  why do people have these kinds of websites and movies? is it to help society as a whole? it must be.. but only partially. we all want a feeling of importance. i guess that's why i'm writing this now tbh  Alex though gets his feeling of importance by being argumentative mostly it seems. like a lot of politicans.. it's not about helping it's about being right. he has his own website and radio show, a monkey man, chest beater, get all the monkeys to respect him, lady monkeys to love him and leave poor Peter to jerk off behind a tree. not very productive is it? focus more on solutions please or else go play football. almost everyone considers himself important... very important. particularly Alex.

anyway.. in regards to Peters claim that all competitive behavior is learned. i'd say. yes you're right Peter it is learned within a human lifetime due to environmental conditioning.. where else could it be learned? but that conditioning is not only passed on through language and culture there is also genetics. we are not just creatures of logic who learn all that they are within one lifetime... we become who we are across multiple lifetimes through the evolutionary effects of sexual reproduction. life, death and reproduction serve an important role in the survival of any species.. including humans.. we are the way we are because all of us are the ancestors of a long line of people who had a few key things in common 1. none of them died young 2. they all managed to find a mate and reproduce. the ones who were not competitive, who were not willing to fight for resources and mates did not become our ancestors. we are animals too, instincts are not restricted to just non-humans. the fact is here, to certain degrees, they're both right. the spider did learn about the web building through environmental conditioning but over many, many, many generations of genetically inherited instinct. our development is accelerated through language and culture though for the majority of our evolutionary existence we have not had language. our instincts are very old.. older than our language.. older than our culture. our survival and reproductive instincts can be traced back to the origins of life itself. well.. that's at least what charles darwin believed, after looking at the alternatives.. i agree. it will take a long time indeed for humans to not be naturally competitive. we can however reduce this to a certain degree.. how much so will not be clear until we try to establish a different system. i believe it's possible. i won't say anything bad about the venus project. we have to try. i think Peters point about scarcity as far as resources goes is mostly correct but i can't see man losing his competitive instincts in relation to mate selection. most crimes are crimes of either money or passion. abundant resources for all will solve the money problem but people will still get pissed if their partner cheats on them  some people will get very pissed. abundant resources may partially solve that seeing as a key attraction switch in females is men with access to resources. men however are attracted to youth and beauty.. unless those are both in abundance (not likely) men will always compete for the affection of desirable females.

overall Alex and Peter are doing the world a great service expressing their views and i'd like to thank them for dedicating their time to a worthy cause. but Alex.. you should evaluate what your motives are when you argue. is it to help the cause or bolster your ego? this interview was my introduction to your world as it likely was with many others who came to it via zeitgeist. many of us have the impression you're a loud, obnoxious dick. that's not going to help change the world is it? there's is no I in team Alex.

[Dig]

i recently saw most of Alex's interview with Peter Joseph.. i guess it's old news now.. i'm a little behind the times it seems.
i believe Alex is right about competitiveness being inherited genetically. his arguments about spiders and their webs, birds instinctive navigation. spot on. great argument. not much Pete can say there.
however all he is accomplishing by belittling Peter Joseph through constant interuptions and shouting is giving us all the impression Alex is a total ass who's jealous of Peter's sucess. is it all about egos Alex? are you afraid Peters film will influence more people than yours?  why do people have these kinds of websites and movies? is it to help society as a whole? it must be.. but only partially. we all want a feeling of importance. i guess that's why i'm writing this now tbh  Alex though gets his feeling of importance by being argumentative mostly it seems. like a lot of politicans.. it's not about helping it's about being right. he has his own website and radio show, a monkey man, chest beater, get all the monkeys to respect him, lady monkeys to love him and leave poor Peter to jerk off behind a tree. not very productive is it? focus more on solutions please or else go play football. almost everyone considers himself important... very important. particularly Alex.

anyway.. in regards to Peters claim that all competitive behavior is learned. i'd say. yes you're right Peter it is learned within a human lifetime due to environmental conditioning.. where else could it be learned? but that conditioning is not only passed on through language and culture there is also genetics. we are not just creatures of logic who learn all that they are within one lifetime... we become who we are across multiple lifetimes through the evolutionary effects of sexual reproduction. life, death and reproduction serve an important role in the survival of any species.. including humans.. we are the way we are because all of us are the ancestors of a long line of people who had a few key things in common 1. none of them died young 2. they all managed to find a mate and reproduce. the ones who were not competitive, who were not willing to fight for resources and mates did not become our ancestors. we are animals too, instincts are not restricted to just non-humans. the fact is here, to certain degrees, they're both right. the spider did learn about the web building through environmental conditioning but over many, many, many generations of genetically inherited instinct. our development is accelerated through language and culture though for the majority of our evolutionary existence we have not had language. our instincts are very old.. older than our language.. older than our culture. our survival and reproductive instincts can be traced back to the origins of life itself. well.. that's at least what charles darwin believed, after looking at the alternatives.. i agree. it will take a long time indeed for humans to not be naturally competitive. we can however reduce this to a certain degree.. how much so will not be clear until we try to establish a different system. i believe it's possible. i won't say anything bad about the venus project. we have to try. i think Peters point about scarcity as far as resources goes is mostly correct but i can't see man losing his competitive instincts in relation to mate selection. most crimes are crimes of either money or passion. abundant resources for all will solve the money problem but people will still get pissed if their partner cheats on them  some people will get very pissed. abundant resources may partially solve that seeing as a key attraction switch in females is men with access to resources. men however are attracted to youth and beauty.. unless those are both in abundance (not likely) men will always compete for the affection of desirable females.

overall Alex and Peter are doing the world a great service expressing their views and i'd like to thank them for dedicating their time to a worthy cause. but Alex.. you should evaluate what your motives are when you argue. is it to help the cause or bolster your ego? this interview was my introduction to your world as it likely was with many others who came to it via zeitgeist. many of us have the impression you're a loud, obnoxious dick. that's not going to help change the world is it? there's is no I in team Alex.

After watching, listening, and reading the interview over 10 times it has been reveiled that PJ was just acting like a pompous egotistical stubborn 4 year old.  Please read the interview and decide for yourself (kind of hard to lie about it when it is easily readable:
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From Chocolaty:

Alex

Jones:

Without further ado I'm really excited to get to introduce to you Peter Joseph. Peter Joseph of course made Zeitgeist which I would say it the second most viewed video — just from my analysis — in internet history. I would still say Loose Change is number 1, but that's because it's been out longer. In the future it remains to be seen, but the two films definitely are the most viewed in viral history on the internet. And the maker, Peter Joseph, he now made a Zeitgeist Addendum — another two hour film, very well done, he works in professional T.V., and he did this on his own though it's excellent, and he went out and actually did a lot of interviews and things for it as well, not just internet clips that he combined for the first Zeitgeist— and I agree with about 90% of what is in the film. I think that the interpretation — the subtle way it's put out — people are going to misinterpret a lot of it. That was my point in criticizing some of it earlier in the week. I also think that it's another form of orthodoxy to make fun on a high horse of religious groups, people who are religious, because the human mind, the human sight and smell only picks up a very narrow spectrum of reality — that's been scientifically proven. There's a lot of quackery and superstition and cooky stuff going on out there, certainly! That's why I get away from organised religion myself, but I think that in a way it actually divides people that both films have decided attacks on religion especially Christianity, and I'm allowed to have that view and say that I don't particularly agree with that. I don't hate Peter Joseph because of his views, I don't look down on him, I don't even judge him. I just am allowed to have my view that I think that that is itself it a little bit closed minded. It doesn't mean that I buy into every superstition out there. And conversely people like to start fights between any big alternative media movement, icons or films. You know I have a lot of Zeitgeist people that attack me and say horrible things about me and they're not Zeitgeist people but people that are followers of the film or use the name as a maxim or a logo kind of like the shingle or the flag they fly. And there there are a lot of folks who call themselves Alex Jones listeners who viciously attack zeitgeist because of its anti-christian bent and then that's probably why the Zeitgeist folks are attacking me and then my people are attacking them more and then that kind of creates within myself a subconscious disliking for it because then I get attacked by a lot of extreme close minded Christians and muslims and religionists out there who get mad that my footage is in Zeitgeist. Well, he put it in there first and later he said "Hey can I use it?" and I said "Fine", and he has the rights to use the footage that he has in the first Zeitgeist now because I'm actually for open discussion out there and a lot of people found my work because of Zeitgeist because, you know, I believe that we can take good out of even things that I see as not effective or true in Zeitgeist itself. So with that said as my opening statement I want to bring Peter Joseph up on the air and let him have an opening statement about himself, Zeitgeist and where all of this is going. Peter great to have you here.

Peter

Joseph:

Thank you Alex. I appreciate you having me on and I'm glad you pointed out what you did. I think a lot of people listening to this cast are going to sit there waiting for some type of duke out between you and I and debate... debate is really an infantile disposition, I think discussion — an open discussion — is what we need to engage in. We learn from eachother and that's what a society should really be thinking when we engage ideas that are conflicting from one belief system to another. You know competition, things like this that we think are naturally bread into us, dispositions of winning, these are things I would like to address today. I know you have different dispositions as you stated in — for example — in your october 8th broadcast. And before I begin any of that however since you did bring up Christianity... first thing I don't... I am not attacking Christians whatsoever. I think that anybody who pays attention to what I've stated as far as the first film I go into the historical base [inaudible] of Christianity and then I linger into the philosophical dispositions and how it's very restrictive of the human mind. In the second film I detail how essentially the belief system itself is based on a rejection of new information and this is... this is very important and very difficult to deny when you get into faith-based ideology. And the whole... the whole encompassment, if that's a word, of the second film is to really try to pull people into a train of thought that's of mind[inaudible] with nature. And that's why I present the Venus Project and that's why I present these seemingly spooky things that people have been conditioned to fear such as centralization of power, but it's not centralization of power in the orthodox manner that many people think to be true or fearful of or what history has presented. Because the flaw of our society at its very core is that it has not addressed the root problem of what we're doing and those root problems are sourced in human behavior, not secret societies or elites or even human instinct. We have to look at the environment and what the environment is producing and that from there we'll know the resolution and that's what I'd like to talk about today with you.

Alex

Jones:

Well, Peter, out of the gates global warming has become a religion. The environment is important, the load of the earth is important but technologies as you and the experts you interviewed have rightly assessed ... we can transcend all those problems and that is being suppressed by the elites who want to continue a cartel or an oligopoly. But you know you talk about the load of the earth and, you know, running things according to the load of the earth... well the controllers, they're already using that and saying "we are going as a technocracy, as a scientific system, we are going to scientifically design society and we're saying carbon dioxide is bad" when that's what plants breath and one of the four major elements — light, water, carbon dioxide and oxygen — that make life possible here so see out of the gates there's that oversimplification. I think it's important to have the discussion it's just the way it can be interpreted — that's a religion too. There is a religious belief that carbon dioxide and evil and a toxic waste

Peter

Joseph:

Yeah there's also a religious belief that the free market is the end all to our progress as a civilization. They're all religious beliefs in their own accord if they're not addressed in a highly intellectual and scrutinizing manner. The best form of reference for that type of disposition or analysis, if you will, is what you refer to as the scientific method. Everything that we have — First of all let me counter one thing. Essentially, what you're seeing with this ruling elite that you refer to that of course they will use technology against humanity — the microchip, surveillance. We're seeing this randomly. Why? Because their social system is failing. They have to preserve the structure, at least that's my opinion and we can go into more details for that. However, they are totally out of line with nature. So what they're implying will never really work because it will just produce more instability that people will eventually rise up above it because the system is emergent and we're always learning new things and things that do not work as the emergence proceeds will be phased out. And this is where social stratification and all of these different elements come into play. You see, I'm not talking about, for example in your October 8th interview, excuse me your review of the piece you implied to your audience that there would be this eradication of the social structure. You remember when you said that? As though that someone's gonna come around with a gun and shoot people that are involved in the wrong type of social stratification. That is not at all what this idea is about whatsoever. The eradication notion comes from the disposition that human awareness, human value systems will be altered as the society is culminated in moral alignment with nature itself. Now that's a very difficult thing —

Alex

Jones:

Yeah well how do you gage the alignment with nature and —

Peter

Joseph:

I'll tell ya.

Alex

Jones:

— And what scientist or group is going to be able to develop the gage by which you set up that system.

Peter

Joseph:

Well... you can look at it from... here's a very oversimplified example but it gets the point across very easily. If you have a plot of land and you want to do something with that land — say grow something on it, build something on it — you're going to analyze the topsoil of it. The parameters of that land become self-evident as to what you can do on it. Now... we apply this to the planet you begin to see the resources that the society needs which can be assessed through surveying what is necessary for the society has a natural development and can occur naturally without opinion whatsoever because you're basing it on tangible resource management of the planet, that's why in the film I keep going back to the same point—

Alex

Jones:

Stay there, stay there we're gonna skip this break. Okay continue Peter.

Peter

Joseph:

— It's the intelligent management of the earth's resources that's needed. Now people don't understand what that means, they don't know what that means because they've been so conditioned to this completely artificial structure of money and labor for money, competition for labor and money for resources. This is a complete, this is a completely fictional disposition it's a false system because there's nothing but resources. And the ideology that will construct our new world, so to speak, is an ideology based on resource management as denoted through the scientific method. So with that plot of land has the resources available... the only way you can have unification — intellectual unification... excuse me let me back up, the only way you can have an abundance and an optimization of our world is if you understand what the planet had and you gage all of its resources, this is why an intellectual unification that Jacque Fresco talks about — world unification — it's not world government at all, it's an entirely different ideological disposition based on what's available on the planet, what the society needs and this is an extremely long winded conversation, I wish we had more time to —

Alex

Jones:

Yeah but who's gonna decide what humanity needs.

Peter

Joseph:

The question isn't who's gonna decide it's how will the decisions be made. It's an ideological based assumption based on nature, there's an imperical order that's been working in nature forever. For example anything that you have in your studio right night now, all the technology is derived from one processes and that's called the scientific method. Our society needs to be completely in accord with this, the parameters are self-evident once you get this train of thought going. —

Alex

Jones:

But there aren't gonna be people that quote "want to be in accord" and there's huge debates within the scientific method and so how are you going to bring something completely into accord or eradicate that?

Peter

Joseph:

Well, this is why human behavior has to be understood which is another very important point that we need to —

Alex

Jones:

Well I mean and I disagree with you that humans are fundamentally, you know, don't have competiton in them —

Peter

Joseph:

Okay, we'll talk about it —

Alex

Jones:

I mean that is all over the animal kingdom —

Peter

Joseph:

AH!

Alex

Jones:

that is the name of the game.

Peter

Joseph:

Sure! But why? Why does the animal kingdom have this?

Alex

Jones:

Because of resources —

Peter

Joseph:

Exactly! —

Alex

Jones:

— But also because of the design in our development within that system of competition, it is to deny how we were developped and what we have been developped to do.

Peter

Joseph:

Well I would have to respectfully disagree with that because there's no basis for that. Everything that we have that we think is derived naturally as far as human instinct... every form of human instinct that you see popularized by the modern day alchemist — the geneticist — that say you know they can find the genetic gene for smoking or genetic gene to be a republican. This is completely ignoring basicly everything that the environment has been teaching us. For example if I took... if you were taken as a little baby infant, brought over to the middle east, dropped off into a family that was moslem you'd be on the air speaking Arabic, praising 'Allah', and you'd have a show called info-jihad.

Alex

Jones:

*hahahaha*

Peter

Joseph:

It's completely, *hehe* , it's completely, it's completely arbitrary to the... I mean I'm not saying that there aren't kernels of elements in our lives that —

Alex

Jones:

Well wait a minute, it's not kernels. Conservatively more than half of our activities and motion is genetic in nature and then nurture is the variant that will change for the time and place and culture how your genetic information manifest.

Peter

Joseph:

Everything that we understand has been taught to us in some capacity especially our operations. Every word I'm saying has been taught to me. Every concept has been relayed in some capacity to me and through my mental operations which is a form of conditioning I have arrived at novel conclusions. My originality is simply because of the envionmental influences that are completely and utterly conditioned to me as opposed to everyone else. Everyone is different because they come from different conditioning in other words. This is extremely powerful and it's not fifty-fifty, it's probably ninety-ten. Our conditioning is everything and when we realise it the monatery system —

Alex

Jones:

Hold on we're going back to the full audience. Here we go.

Alex

Jones:

Talking to the creator of Zeitgeist 1 now Zeitgeist 2 Addendum Peter Joseph. *sigh* Peter I fundamentally — and we were just discussing this for the internet audience only when we skipped that break, we're back to the full audience now — I disagree with you fundamentally that human are trained and conditioned to be competitive. All higher species, mammals particularly, are competitive. It is at its base a genetic competitiveness to pass on the traits that made the species excess in its environment in our development. And then all the elite does is knows how to manipulate and punch those buttons, and condition those, and hone those, and bring up certain instincts that have manifested through societal developments and to overexpress others and to suppress others that they don't like. I mean, that's just... I fundamentally disagree with you on that point.

Peter

Joseph:

Well I wanna make a comment then that it's for the audience to decide of course and I think what people fail to realise, the geneticists fail to realise... what your world view isn't taking into account are the millions if not billions of years of evolution based on scarcity. All the animal kingdom has lived within scarcity. You have to have social hierarchy of a pack of lions. You have to have fighting because there's not enough to go around—

Alex

Jones:

And you have to have fighting today because there's always gonna be corrupt people, but some of the Zeitgeist followers say I can't even say what evil is because that's my Christian construct. No it's not... evil is destroying the planet, evil is killing life, evil is hurting the weak and the meek and the small, these are basic rules, you know, that what is anti-life, what is destructive of the tribe we call evil.

Peter

Joseph:

Well what is evil? Define it for me. What causes evil, what causes someone to behave in evil manner.

Alex

Jones:

Well I'm asking you do you believe evil exist?

Peter

Joseph:

Absolutely not! Because based on the definition of evil it's basically a religious connotation, it can't... it doesn't mean anything it's an empty distinction, if I was to redefine I'd say evil would be abhorrent behavior, and if I was to define abhorrent behavior I would say almost conclusively that abhorrent behavior is caused by the necessities of the environment.—

Alex

Jones:

But is it abhorrent to have elites through their breeding, through their culture who are hyper-aggressive and hyper-dominant and sadistic. I call satanist kidnapping a child, raping em for a month and cutting their heart out evil because that is evil according to the human code and evil according to us having safe happy tribes who can go on being scientist and creating which is the main drive and goal of the species.

Peter

Joseph:

Sure, nevertheless however it's always a product of conditioning. The people in the secret societies that you talk about that have grown up with their elitism, they are molded and shaped. Henry Kissinger, George Bush, these men brought up in elite system they behave in elite ways—

Alex

Jones:

That's right they send Prince Charles to boarding schools to be beat up, to be treated bad to make him a nasty person.

Peter

Joseph:

Well there you have it and this is exactly my point. So in order to fully change society, in order to really understand what's going on you can't use these outmoded words at least in my opinion I don't like to use evil because it has a generally religious notion that denotes—

Alex

Jones:

Look, look, look, look here's what I'm saying to you... I've read the social workers a hundred and fifty years ago. I've read the social engineers and the transhumanists and the posthumanists and they all say very close to what you're saying about this utopia — the machines, getting rid of our competitiveness — but then they bring in a hyper-competitiveness to dominate us when the social workers kidnap people's kids for no reason for the state to reeducate em it makes nightmares. It, I mean I've heard all this and people showing me fancy roads and models of spaceships and saying "we're gonna create a utopia and we're not gonna have money anymore". And then what is money vesus this monetary system you talk about with banker fractional reserve manipulation?

Peter

Joseph:

Well first of all, first of all there's no utopia. I want to get this out of the way, that's a loaded term just like evil, it has no basis. Secondly, the difference between the systems that I'm advocating, the system that I'm advocating versus the fractional reserve monatery system is multifaceted. First of all the monetary system... I went to specific detail to talk about how the fractional reserve system enslaves humanity distinctly with absolute acuteness because there's not enough money in the money supply to go around. Let's assume that—

Alex

Jones:

Yeah but you're saying it's a system failing, they designed it to consolidate power it is succeeding according to their aims, you're saying and your experts are saying society is going to fail so we'll have a new better system or a shot at it but to them the drug war, any of it, it's not failing, it is succeeding and they want to create a collapse to bring in more social engineering and their utopia. Okay, well you changed the topic a little bit from what I was talking about so let me address that. Basically, the collapse is not entirely a hundred percent rigged. What it is is a pyramid scheme that is tipping that they've been expecting for a long time and of course they're gonna capitalize on it. The fractional reserve system has to fail and that's what we're talking about. The monetary system has to fail because it's based on competition and self-interest and power monopolies just like in the second part of Zeitgeist Addendum where I talk about world monopoly—

Alex

Jones:

Well stop you right there, I'm gonna stop you right there. See, you can't even say you're wrong there. They fundamentally design these in endless ponzi schemes that always sieve out like a guy panning for gold in a river, the wealth. I mean it's in all their documents. Here we go we're gonna skip this break too we're gonna skip it right now. I mean go ahead and counter that, go ahead and explain to me, explain to me how it's not engineered by them.

Peter

Joseph:

I'm not saying it's not engineered per se. I don't... see, you, you make these leaps that I can't see how you can honestly stand behind with a hundred percent confidence. The fractional reserve system they knew what would happen to it but it created such a great level of differential advantage for their control, for the corporate structure and everything else... I don't think they wanted it to fail this is why the boom and bust cycle is what it is, it's completely contrived, I will admit that to you, but they have a very delicate balance right now because the people and especially in the west if the systems fail the way it should — the way it mathematically should — just like every bust should be about ten times worst that a really is but it's not because that's why the federal reserve was created, the lender of last resort—

Alex

Jones:

They always create a new bubble.

Peter

Joseph:

They, well of course they do. This is the way it has to work though it's a natural phenomenon, it's not as rigged as you think it is, because the money has to go somewhere but they do protect it and right now we're seeing the top of this pyramid scheme collapse and I think the elite eventhough they have their power consolidation they know that they have to walk a very delicate line because the public is gonna lose it. The public... they're gonna lose control of the public if they allowed a depression.—

Alex

Jones:

Eh actually sir eh, hold on hold on let's go back to what you just said there! The central banks are cutting of liquidity to the real market and the population of the world. They are then while telling the public the money's going to them, conduiting all the fiat currency to themselves while it still has some value while they consolidate real assets and BusinessWeek and the Financial Times of London properly say that this is actually good for that small inner group of banks to consolidate.—

Peter

Joseph:

I'm not saying it isn't Alex I was on the way to get in that I—

Alex

Jones:

Well I mean I got audio clips from the film is where I got that.

Peter

Joseph:

Well if you listen ot the first Zeitgeist I make it extremely clear about the interest of the international bankers—

Alex

Jones:

Look I overall think your film is healthy and good and thought provoking and great. It's just that I've always told my listeners "don't make what I'm saying a religion where I'm infallible" and, you know, question me and I'm saying, you know, that no work can be complete, none of it can be perfect. I'm hoping here —and I'm sure you've got things you can teach me — to open up avenues of discussion and refinement, not in your overall idea but in how people are interpreting it. Because certainly you know about the socialists and the fabian socialists and the engineers, and H.G. Wells and Bertrand Russell and all them saying about ninety percent of what you're saying at the end of Zeitgeist Addendum, but overlaying it with government central control to be able to construct it.

Peter

Joseph:

Well I couldn't disagree more based on the fact that what has been presented might sound like socialism, it might sound like marxism because of those kernels of element of having a system that's designed for society as opposed to everyone fighting eachother in order to survive in this monetary system based competition illusion that's been created. The difference is, the entire foundation of this is that it's related to science purely. And think about all the early fabian socialists and all these guys whatever their intent was, negative or positive, they had no concept of what technology is and neither does half the people on this planet —

Alex

Jones:

Alright stay there, stay there. Full audience right now, here we go. Hey let's keep this rolling underneath our guest [music]

Alex

Jones:

Alright stay there, stay there. Full audience right now, here we go. Hey let's keep this rolling underneath our guest [music]. I'm gonna try to control myself and just sit here and write notes and shut up for ten minutes. Peter Joseph, creator of Zeitgeist, and you just run with what you're really saying overall — trying to encapsulate it all — and then I'll come in with some of my primitive musings here — my feeble mind will try to grasp it. But again I wanna say overall I think your film's healthy and thought provoking — I think these discussions are important and people shouldn't allow institutionalized religion or anything to shutter their intellect from trying to grasp the whole width, breadth and depth of this multi-faceted, multi-variate universe that we swim in — so creator of Zeitgeist you go ahead you've got the floor.

Peter

Joseph:

Alright well the first thing we need to discuss is the monetary system itself, and the system that is underlying... or the belief system that is perpetuated by this structure. The greatest failure of our society for thousands and thousands of years is to not address the root causes of human behavior, and the monetary system has created one of the worst behavioral complexes that society has ever seen. It is compounding age-old instincts which have very little relevance to progress at all including things like competition if I was ever to call it instinct I'd say it's a natural culmination due to environment. If you're put into an environment of scarcity where there's no work, no jobs you're going to be forced to steal. Your abhorrent behavior is a creation it's not inbread whatsoever and I can defend that on multiple levels but I'm gonna move on, talk about the system itself — the monetary system . It doesn't matter if it's free enterprise, it doesn't matter if it's communistic or capitalistic or socialist, these are loaded terms based on... based on...basically outmoded ideologies that are no longer relevent. What we have is a system of competition that's inherently based on the assumption that humans beings must fight with eachother in order to survive; that is one. The second point is that human beings have to have incentive in order to be motivated to do something. And these are two extremely dangerous and ill-gotten perceptions of human behavior. The first mode[inaudible] to the effect that... to the effect that human beings need to have incentive — I'll go to that one first — is human beings motivation can come from many different places. When you're a child you have all sorts of interests that you pursue — you have any... all sorts of creativities that you find fascinating — you don't know what money is you don't need incentive to do something. Einstein and Galileo — all of these great men that contributed — they didn't need money as incentive to do something — this is something they did on their own accord. Unfortunately the brainwashing of society has forced people into a disposition that they want to be rewarded for what they do —and that means they want monetary compensation. No one will do anything in society without reward — and that includes solving social problems — If you can't make money off solving a social problem in this system it won't be done. — And that is a very very sad state of affairs. The first part — the first mention that I made — was[inaudible] humans have to fight to compete for labour and income — the scarcity that exists in this system — this is created by the monetary system not only through the fractional reserve system but in the very structure itself. You can't have a society and expect progress and civil arrangements — ethics, decency, whatever you want to call it — morality — in a system where everyone is gaining off of everyone else through differential advantage. This... this can't work, it doesn't work and it's never going to work. This is the why the world is what it is today. Almost exclusively based on this competitive notion that is compounded and perpetuated by the monetary system. And this is the greatest failure that people don't understand. This is why I argue against it. I'm not saying that the Venus Project — and they're the first to admit this as well —  is the end-all — there is no utopia . But they recognize this core element that is corrupting human behavior, so we have to move out of this system. One of the things that people don't realise about the monetary system which is very important — I think you should think about this too — at least in this... this fabled free enterprise system specifically — is that it always leads to corruption. We say that free enterprise system is... you know... it could be great it could be pure. You could have a perfect free enterprise system and it would work. Well, there's no such thing as that because it automatically leads to corruption. It automatically leads to oligopoly and monopoly. It automatically leads to abhorrent behavior and power consolidation because that's the basis of it. That is the guiding principle of differential advantage. In order for society to progress you have to eliminate this differential advantage and all the social stratification that occurs because of it. All the materialism. We have an advertizing system that sits there and tells us that our value is based on what we own and how...what... and artistic representation is... our creativity is what we own[inaudible]... who we are — our identities —.are what we own. And this is at a colossal and tremendous distortion that needs to be overcome. So, the basis of this arguement is that we have to have a new system that gets rid of these tendencies. This thing called the New World Order that people talk about all the time — and I actually would like you to come back on the air and answer a question for me — and that is: What is the New World Order —as you define it Alex?

Alex

Jones:

What is the New World Order as I define it?

Peter

Joseph:

I want... well, what is it in a concise definition tell me what it ... if you were to explain it to a... to someone who never even heard of such a thing in a real concise manner what is the New World Order.

Alex

Jones:

It is a hereditary clan that rules through the fraudulent fractional reserve monetary banking scam that operates through intelligence systems and shadow governments.

Peter

Joseph:

And their goal is what?

Alex

Jones:

Their goal is hyper dominance and to control the past, the present and the future to set up a worldwide police state by manipulating people's primitive fears with manufactured terror threats, biological threats, chemical threats. Their end-game is to exterminate... well most of them now say 99% of the population — the public documents say 80%.— and to create then a machine utopia where the elite and their progeny go to the stars. It is a worldwide eugenics cult that is in control of most the resources on the planet and is eradicating the family and the free market and then of course demonizing the free market by claiming this corrupt system they have is a free market, and are now in the final phases of their worldwide consolidation —their victory — which people are calling a collapse or failure.

Peter

Joseph:

And what is the path you think everyone should take to stop this New World Order.

Alex

Jones:

The path is multi-faceted. We have to take control of our local political units first. We have to stop the electronic voting machine fraud system. To do that we have to discredit the system — discredit the corrupt government that all the parties have been bought and paid for — we've entered a very deep sector of the corruption — on the graph one of the deepest points in the troth —

Peter

Joseph:

— Ok well what about the people though? What about these people that are the ones that are perpetuating this? What is your solution for these people? What do we do with these people so to speak? I mean what is your—

Alex

Jones:

Well I don't like bloody french type revolutions which then turn into something almost even worst. I think they need to be identified, exposed and then they need by juries of their peers. They need to be given fair trials and sent to prison and then their assets need to be nationalized to pay off all the fiat debts they have created. We need to have a population where we don't restrict Madison Avenue telling us we're inadequate so they can sell us products. We need to become conscious of these motivations and decide with the discernment what is a good advertisement, what is a bad advertisement. In your film you talk about — or some of your experts talk about — how we can't... you know basically in a free market or in a system of selling a vase or selling a car, or selling a house or... you know getting our kidney taken out, we can't trust anyone. Well, no, we need to learn to investigate and go to references and... you know that's why within the past we had brand names... you know a [word?] machine that was known to last longer and be better. That way... if this is not free market slave goods coming in from China that fall apart in five minutes. And so I disagree with that fundamentally. There's just so much I disagree —

Peter

Joseph:

Ok well —

Alex

Jones:

— well I mean let me stop you —

Peter

Joseph:

Ok —

Alex

Jones:

— I disagree so much fundamentally... you know with saying we just can't trust the free market and products and goods because people have a reason to lie to you to sell you crap because somebody might have something better then that stops people from progressing when it is the limited free market though invaded and corrupted monopolies through government help... you know, that have been set up, that we do have societal development — technological development — because people do want gain by their inventions and they do want the prestige. And it has been our competitive renaissance free market — the Yeoman Farmer becoming a tinkerer, becoming an engineer, turning loose the native intelligence of the commoners — that has created all the amazing things we see around us, but that's at the by-product of making us decadent and selfish and Madison Avenue through brainwashing to secure the elite as they try to come in with a counter-revolution to take over the renaissance that is taking place and so they have damaged and programmed the majority of the public and so we need to at a cellular level, those of us that are aware, try to wake up our friends, family, neighbors, communities and at a cellular level one cell at a time heal the system with an exponential growth curve towards doing that.

Peter

Joseph:

Ok. Let's step back to my original question which was about the New World Order. So basically you're saying—

Alex

Jones:

I told you what they are a hereditary kings who learned who learned how to go underground—

Peter

Joseph:

I'm commenting on this. This is my... this is why I wanted to ask the question. Basically—

Alex

Jones:

I thought you were posing it again. You said "I go back to my original question".

Peter

Joseph:

No no no I just wanna go back and address it because you've gone on a nice tangent which I appreciate but eh... you moved what my original response was going to be—

Alex

Jones:

Well it's a complex world, takes complex solutions.—

Peter

Joseph:

Well of course

Alex

Jones:

—I'm giving you actually analyzed information — things that have been thought out —

Peter

Joseph:

Of course. Well let's... let's... let's—

Alex

Jones:

—not general... general ideas—

Peter

Joseph:

Let me um... let me comment if you don't mind. Basically, your assumption then on the New World Order is that you have to have the public to wake up to this elite group that are trying to dominate things and then you have to prosecute them and put them in jail and take them out and that will be the resolution that you basically—

Alex

Jones:

That will not be the total resolution but... but... but... but yes we have a... just like the Nazis they had to be taken out or you know... finally... finally the communist chinese said Mao and his wife are nuts — killing everybody because they made a deal with these eugenicists in europe — we gotta arrest them, you know... we gotta arrest his wife.

Peter

Joseph:

Ok. Well, here's a difference — I know you're going to disagree with it but I think it's good for your audience to ponder this. The genetic basis, the heredity basis that you assume is very much unsupported because as I said these secret societies are secret societies. They culminate... they culminate who they bring in and everyone is conditioned into a particular world view but the secret societies are also conditioned in of themselves. Their conditioning comes from somewhere. And my point to you and to your audience is that the New World Order is not some elite sect of people. If you took out every single person at the top of the so called Illuminati—

Alex

Jones:

The system is still there and more people would step into those places like shark teeth, that's not what I said. I said take the consolidated—

Peter

Joseph:

Why? Why?—

Alex

Jones:

Because that's how they've been conditioned, that's how the system's been set up and they are... you know, coming from that same mindset, they want that power—

Peter

Joseph:

So, it's the environment. It's the environment isn't it Alex? It's the environment.—

Alex

Jones:

Well, I never said the environment wasn't part of all this—

Peter

Joseph:

I know you didn't but you implied initially

Alex

Jones:

—but I'm saying we as a people are competitive and you have malfunctioning hyper... I mean, here's an example, I try not to be that competitive and lift people up and bring them in and then I find out as soon as they think they're a big shot they turn around and attack primitively thinking in competition if they knock me — the king monkey — off in this movement that somehow that will make them the king monkey, but that isn't the case because in reality I'm not even eh...you know, the king monkey in all of this. So I'm saying competitiveness is a good thing overall, it just has to be... we have to be conscious of it and we have to have rules and parameters in it and then have a eh... you know, playbook basically that societally we agree on and that we're constantly changing. So I mean... I mean... I mean this whole thing of trying to say that innately aren't aggressive and that... and that, you know, we are... I mean no matter what culture it is little girls innately start going and building a camp and start breaking up wood and practicing making dinner and I mean you can take a girl, you know I try with my girls have them play with toy guns, and army men, and soccer, and football. I want tomboys and you know what they don't like that they go directly for the pink barbie and it isn't culture because they're not allowed to watch T.V.

Peter

Joseph:

Well, *hehe* I think I would have to see those instances and conditions. I really have to... I can't relay this—

Alex

Jones:

This is ridiculous! Why does a... why does a sperm whale go south in the winter? Eh... I mean it is genetic, I mean... why do geese know how to fly according to the magnetic poles. You are saying—

Peter

Joseph:

Why do birds build a nest? Why do birds build a nest?—

Alex

Jones:

Yeah exactly, you're saying—

Peter

Joseph:

Well, I'll tell you why—

Alex

Jones:

— {you're saying} instincts have nothing to do with it, this is insane—

Peter

Joseph:

It's imprinting, it's imprinting. The bird builds a nest because it's born in a nest. You took a bird immediately out of the nest—

Alex

Jones:

Oh my God. *hahahahaha*—

Peter

Joseph:

you have... no, this is what science proves Alex—

Alex

Jones:

How does a garden spider know how to spin a web?

Peter

Joseph:

*SIGH*

Alex

Jones:

I mean what are you t-... let me tell you bro, you got some major issues that are wrong and I'm telling you—

Peter

Joseph:

No

Alex

Jones:

—you're influential ahh ahh ahh ahh [i.e. please let me finish] you're influential and that's a good thing because the alternative needs to become you know, the majority and I'm all for this but I'm telling ya — and I'm not even looking to argue with you here today —

Peter

Joseph:

No you are—

Alex

Jones:

—I'm telling ya man you... does the mommy spider teach the spider how to do that? Does a... I mean... I mean...I mean, are elephants... do elephant bulls fight with eachother... you know, for dominance for the best mate because they saw their daddy elephant fight?—

Peter

Joseph:

No because they live in scarcity and that's what their instincts... that's what their instincts of survival—

Alex

Jones:

*sigh*

Peter

Joseph:

— {that's what their instincts of survival} have to culminate in order to survive in their environment—

Alex

Jones:

Look you can't take the spider out of the spider. You can't take the man out of the man.

Peter

Joseph:

Look, *hehe* Humans are very different from other organisms on the planet — we have the ability to think and create . Our instincts can be changed whatever that means. There are no actual human instincts — and I have tons of science to back this up . Especially the human being who is so malleable—

Alex

Jones:

*sigh*

Peter

Joseph:

—so easy to pro... influence, if you don't believe that—

Alex

Jones:

No, I... I...I... no, no—

Peter

Joseph:

—take a look at the news and how people are—

Alex

Jones:

You're missing it, I agree with you. I believe that's seperates us from the rest of the animal kingdom. It ma- —

Peter

Joseph:

Did you just say that competition—

Alex

Jones:

&

[Dig]

I think squarepusher summed it up nicely:

To be frank, I don't like the smug, hippie look of him. Frankly, I was really taken aback by his whole demeanor when he was on the Alex Jones show.

Most people were angry at Alex and accusing him of engaging in Bill O'Reilly conversation tactics - in fact, I begged to differ. I thought Peter Joseph was being very condescending and arrogant - and this no doubt contributed to some ill temper on Alex's part.

For instance, Peter Joseph made unnecessary remarks to the effect of 'you have your own self-preservation', 'you know why you have your little DVD, 'conspiracy', '19.95' packages?' and 'that's a religious connotation'. In fact, to quote Alan Watt, I do not understand why Peter Joseph gets so upset about what 'others think' in terms of spirituality. So, you don't believe in anything else. Fine, you subscribe to the Richard Dawkins school, the British Humanist Association. Fine. Now why do you want to enforce your own belief system unto others? Isn't that what you accuse the religious people of doing?

Ever since that interview, I have had to revise my entire opinion on Zeitgeist the Movie and Addendum. And looking at it objectively, I catched myself during the first Zeitgeist just blindly accepting whatever Peter Joseph spouted at me, like he was some sort of guru and I, as a lower primitive, just needed to be absorbing all this stuff, and if I couldn't, I was just a dumber primitive life form. He really passes himself off like that. It's the Noam Chomsky doctrine - talk really slow and with a dull droning voice, pass yourself off as this supreme intellectual, and pretend to have all the answers even when you have none.

For instance, when Peter Joseph talks about 'reconditioning' and Alex equates that to 're-education', Peter Joseph says 'that is taking it out of context and you know that'. NO, PETER, IT IS NOT - and frankly, I can't understand for the life of me how you fail to see the obvious connections between what you're saying on Zeitgeist Addendum and what Charles Darwin was describing in 'The Next Million Years', or Alice Bailey's 'Externalization of the hierarchy'. You use terms like 'sustainibility' and 'carrying capacity of the Earth' - that last term in particular is used by the UN/global warming/Malthusian economists/Gaia worshippers.

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I made this video to highlight some strange connections in the mainstream and alternative medias...including zeitgeist.

How much did it cost Peter Joseph to produce Zeitgeist Addendum?

The New Age of Change: Aquarius
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJgp3zCNMNk

[Jackson Holly]

37:

Thanks for the link ... impressive!

I did not realize you were a video maker. Now I want to watch them all.

[Novus Ordo]

WHO IS PETER JOSEPH?


Director Peter Joseph speaking at Artivist's Opening Night
and the Global Premier of his film, "Zeitgeist Addendum".

http://www.artivists.org/

Presenting The 2008 Artivist Award Winners!

"ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM" 
Director: Peter Joseph
Best Feature - Artivist Spirit Award

Premiering his highly anticipated sequel to "Zeitgeist." The failure of our world to resolve the issue of war, poverty, and corruption, rests within a gross ignorance about what guides human behavior to begin with. ‘Zeitgeist-Addendum' addresses the true source of the instability in our society, while offering the only fundamental, long term solution. Director Peter Joseph has the ability to take risky subject matter and turn it into a visually, emotionally, and intellectually compelling case for a "greater point of view." "Millions of people gravitated toward Peter's first film.  We are excited that this year's Artivist Film Festival will provide a platform to once again, pique the curiosity of millions of viewers and continue the dialogue about topics concerning citizens worldwide," stated Artivist Co-Founder Dr. Bettina Wolff.

ON RECEIVING AN ARTIVIST AWARD:   "I am absolutely honored.  Artivist is a role model for the media industry which placates people with "numbing entertainment", as opposed to films that inspire and challenge them, which is what Artivist is really about." 

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Above is one of the few rare pictures of the guy. DENTON: Is that another pic of him (from AJs studio) in your post?

Apparently many people are trying to track down WHO he is - what are his motives - who is backing him, if anyone - and why all the mystery, dude?

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist,_the_Movie



Produced by    Peter Joseph
Written by    Peter Joseph
Distributed by    GMP LLC
Release date(s) 2007
Running time    122 min
Language    English
Followed by    Zeitgeist: Addendum

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Note the distributor is given as:  GMP LLC. Here is the State of NY entry from public records.

http://appsext8.dos.state.ny.us/corp_public/CORPSEARCH.
ENTITY_INFORMATION?p_nameid=2724855&p_corpid=2703094&p_entity_name=
GMP&p_name_type=%25&p_search_type=BEGINS&p_srch_results_page=2

Notice that James Coyman is the only person named under the GMP LLC ownership.

Is PETER JOSEPH the same as JAMES COYMAN? If not, who IS Mr. Coyman?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

First, from a page from the ZEITGEIST site:  http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/q&a.htm

Who is Peter Joseph and how did Zeitgeist come to be?
Peter was born in North Carolina to a middle class family.
He later moved to New York initially to attend art school. Currently he lives and works in New York City as a freelance film editor/composer/producer for various industries.

Zeitgeist came into existence as a personal project which was shown in New York as a free public awareness expression. After the event was over, "The Movie" was tossed online with little thought given to a public response. Within a month, the film was getting record views. Months later, the "Final Edition" was completed. In total, the views for "Zeitgeist, The Movie" have exceeded 50,000,000 on Google video alone. Considering the other posts in different formats, along with public screenings, it is estimated that the total world views are well over 100 Million.

In Oct. 2008, "Zeitgeist Addendum" was released as a continuation of the first film, focusing on the core issues relevant to the subject of human corruption, while in turn offering a solution. As of two months after its release online, the average daily views have been 50,000, making a total of 3,000,000 views total thus far.

There are people online who say Peter Joseph is a fake name. Is this true?
No, this is not true. There has been a propaganda campaign against the project from various sources, one of which took the name GMP LCC and blindly punched it into a business database in NY and came up with the name "James Coyman" from upstate NY. What they didn't realize is that G.M.P. LLC is a reference entity from our registrar and is not the GMP LLC of James Coyman. We apologize to James Coyman if he has been bothered.

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What does "reference entity from our registrar " mean? Does anybody know? Does anyone have more information on who he is?

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you missed out this bit ere ya go


''The idea that the film is against any group is a fallacy. The only thing the film addresses is ideology and beliefs. Sadly, many don't realize that one's ideology is not them. We are emergent beings and everything we believe is taught to us one way or another. Therefore to say the film is attacking "Christians" is about as absurd as saying the film attacks people with baseball caps. This is a serious problem in our society, for identity is erroneously associated with belief. Once again, propagandists against the project use this idea that the film "attacks" a group in order to try and manipulate their surroundings into not thinking critically about the information. The same kind of propaganda has materialized where the project has been called "new world order", "satanic" "marxist" and other irrational, thoughtless distinctions not worth bringing up.''

[Pheonix Renewed]

And that's exactly right. He isn't attacking christians, he is telling what he believes to be the truth, based on his research into it, the truth about the RELIGION of christianity.

When it becomes an attack on a group to state that you don't agree with the premise of their belief and give support for why you disagree, there is something dreadfully wrong with society.

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37:

Thanks for the link ... impressive!

I did not realize you were a video maker. Now I want to watch them all.

Thanks, Jackson!

I hope you'll watch the whole series...The New Age of Change videos are an appendix to my series looking at 2012.

I owe Sane a word of thanks for the inspiration for the title...

The Post Modern Snake God Operation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Ln5gtXnM4&feature=PlayList&p=F00BE297EDCD7892&index=0&playnext=1

So far I have just been collecting the theories and sources of 2012.  Fox News, History, Discovery, You Tube etc.

I consider it a rough draft for a more analytical piece to come. 

And I realize that this stuff sells, I'm attracted to it myself.  But, consider the sources promoting a big die off in the near future. 

Overpopulation, Global Warming, Tribulation, Galactic Alignment, Pole Shift, Solar Storms, Planet X, Plagues

Then you have the whole FEMA camp set up. 

I could make a video that convinced people that Planet X is coming.   

This all fits into the Georgia Guidestones...which I think Ted "CNN" Turner payed for.(No proof)

[squarepusher]

And that's exactly right. He isn't attacking christians, he is telling what he believes to be the truth, based on his research into it, the truth about the RELIGION of christianity.

When it becomes an attack on a group to state that you don't agree with the premise of their belief and give support for why you disagree, there is something dreadfully wrong with society.

Except he doesn't. He only equates 'religion' to 'superstition' - that's as far as his 'research' goes. His thesis can be summed up as follows: it's all a myth, it's all a control mechanism.

Which is fine - he's entitled to believe what he wants. But so do Christians or any other religious groups for that matter. And as an atheist, I have to say that Peter Joseph CANNOT KNOW for certain that he is right.

Like Clint Eastwood said, "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has got one'.

[Dig]

The Post Modern Snake God Operation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5Ln5gtXnM4&feature=PlayList&p=F00BE297EDCD7892&index=0&playnext=1

AJ first came up eith the phrase, I just exploited the heck out of it.

That title is pure genius!