Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[White Rose Sophie]

well, first, thank you for pointing out the flaws of wikipedia, and its obviously controlled output, in fact, those two descriptions aid in another way as well, in showing that communism is based on the end (as in goal) and vaguely touches upon the means if only to offer an idea of utopia whereby the reaching of the end produces the environment for the correct means, like benevolent leaders for instance.

its all very well banding about nice sounding catchphrases, like "in the best interests of mankind", but these implied decisions, or the implied power, you say, is going to placed in the loving care of either a computer or some other pre-determined (by whom i might add) system that negates the responsibility, and thus rights, of the individual. this is dangerous folly in my view, as is communism, socialism, collectivism.

i would offer that capitalism is much more than the right of private property, it is a basis for the interaction of soveriegn human beings, it holds that all human beings are equal, and thus sovereign, the moral principle of do unto others is how i best describe it. it is clear to see where capitalism has been abused, by whom, and when, and how. yet it is these abuses that are peddled as the flaws of capitalism when it has taken great evil for them to occur. it is not the fault of its own devices that we face the nwo, capitalism, and as such individual sovereignty is a relatively new idea in the history known to us, the nwo came long before, and has taken an awful lot of manipulation to get us past it, where before would have been simply open force and naked aggression.

i agree to the potential of free energy, but i disagree to you wishing to lose responsibility for your life.

Nicely put. To me it is more simple I suppose, but then again I'm not one of the sharpest tools in this forum "shed" anyway.   

The difference in a nutshell between the two is the difference between the importance of each individual human being.......vs the importance of the 'group'.  The problem with that is 'value'......value is placed on what is "produced" by the human being, not on the human being themselves.  Therefore, life is cheap and is worth only what it achieves....or contributes.

Frankly, I prefer to believe in an Almighty Creator that says human life in valuable in and of itself, and that all are equal in HIS eyes. If Man decides what human life is valuable and what is not.......(useless eaters)...well, we have that in the NWO already, don't we?   

[Dok]

Lev_Nougol,

Um, the 'all-are-one' concept may be included in some religions, such as theosophy, but in and of itself is considered spirituality, not to mention self and global awareness, which is also included in the 'Zeitgeist Curriculum'.

The, all are one concept is a core concept of Theosophy and New-Age. It stems from God is in all of us and if God is in all of us then we are all Gods. We are all one. Thats the great lie that was given, ye shall be as Gods.

Maitreya...as in the 'New Buddha'?
I'm not sure how that's problematic anyway...

Hes not just the New Buddha, hes also the next Krishna, the Iman Mahdi, the Universal Christ, even Ashtar of Ashtar Command. The messages from this guy are exactly the same as being given out by the Queen of Heaven, and all the UFO brothers. The Maitreya is even claiming the same "miracles" as the Queen of Heaven and the space brothers. I would be wary of three separate channeled entities giving the exact same messages.
You can learn more of the Maitreya here= Click Me

Well, I didn't intend to, just making a point.
As for the sun-son bit in Zeitgeist, I don't think it's that big a stretch compared to the biblical mythologies...

Most of the source material for Zeitgeist came from Theosophists, Archaya S, DM Murdock (same person). She supplied about 80% of the material for part 1. Just because you watch something on a square shaped box does not make it true. Always check in to it.

[Dok]

R.I.P Zeitgeist PsyOp Movement (June 2007- Nov 2008)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD2D7J53lIY

[kamui85]

Hi I’m new here I just wanted to know Alex Jones followers point of view on the hole Zeitgeist thing, I posted this same thread on their site...just wanted to hear both sides opinion's, of the discussion they had on his radio show and the reflection he had the day after the interview.

[Revolt426]

Addendum in particular pushes a utopian view of society from start to end, which is exactly what our enemies goal is. With a reduction of population to 500MIL , Slaves and Robots to do all the work.

[37]

Hi I’m new here I just wanted to know Alex Jones followers point of view on the hole Zeitgeist thing, I posted this same thread on their site...just wanted to hear both sides opinion's, of the discussion they had on his radio show and the reflection he had the day after the interview.

It's Theosophy, which is Luciferian.  It is neither anti-religion, nor anti-control.  It promotes a socialist vision of utopia.  It is filled with theosophical ideology, imagery, and philosophy.  It contains the teachings of the Theosophical "World Teacher" or "vessel for Maitreya" Jiddu Krishnamurti.  It also features a group named the Venus Project.  Venus is another name for Lucifer, according to theosophy. 

At best, it is a kernel of truth wrapped in an impressive covering of ideological bullshit.
In October we have ZA promoting the teachings of the former world teacher/Maitreya...in December we have Theosophist Ben Creme announcing the emergence of the new world teacher/maitreya.

This is just more of the New World Religion.

Would love to hear some of the responses from the Zeitgeist folks. 

[kermitthefrayer]

It's Theosophy, which is Luciferian.  It is neither anti-religion, nor anti-control.  It promotes a socialist vision of utopia.  It is filled with theosophical ideology, imagery, and philosophy.  It contains the teachings of the Theosophical "World Teacher" or "vessel for Maitreya" Jiddu Krishnamurti.  It also features a group named the Venus Project.  Venus is another name for Lucifer, according to theosophy. 

At best, it is a kernel of truth wrapped in an impressive covering of ideological bullshit.
In October we have ZA promoting the teachings of the former world teacher/Maitreya...in December we have Theosophist Ben Creme announcing the emergence of the new world teacher/maitreya.

This is just more of the New World Religion.

Would love to hear some of the responses from the Zeitgeist folks. 

Me too.

[BaronVonBongo]

For another strange NWO religion/philosophy check this.

Whilst watching a documentary on the BBC today 'Around the world in 40 religions', (If you have access to BBC I player right now its on there) there cropped up a religion I had never heard of called Cao Dai.

 It wasapparently established whilst Vietnam was under French colonial power. Whilst ostensibly it sounds peaceful and harmonious, wanting to incorporate all world religions into it mono-theist God head, it is anything but. The first thing that struck the presenter and stayed with him was the rigid rules in place at the temple which stipulated that only elite dignitaries could use the front door. The centre of the faiths temple upon a glance looks like the kind of place a kid would draw as the ideal house. a multicoloured mish-mash.
Upon closer inspection you notice the all pervasive eye and pyramid structure we are so familiar with. The eye is even describe as the left eye of god. Speaking in religious symbolism the left hand religions are satanist/luciferian, as with the Zeitgeist stuff it too looks to be an NWO tool, perhaps to taken over in the asain economic free trade area to come lol.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PTfv0Oreji0&feature=related
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=48V0I1YjI6A&feature=related

The colonial French conection and this symbology, co-incidence surely you say (Victor Hugo is a saint!). No this is their depiction of the eye of God. I tell you it gave me a chill. Then I saw what the adherants wear for prayers......

Now I couldnt find an image of the full on front veiw of the preists and worshippers garb as seen on the BBC documentary, but there is an almighty big pyramid and eye of illumination on the front too, and the outfits were reminisent of the garb worn in Bohemian Groove by members of the Illuminati, down to the multicolored hood klan style garments. The grand alter is a big Globe with an eye on the front!!!!

Lets not forget the occult satanic/ Lucerfian (the light bringer) symboloy behind this. It literally gets up and slaps you around the face! For the very elite in the secret occult societies we are all so familiar with, this is their religion. The combining and cheapening of all faiths till all faith is crushed or controlled by the yoke of the dark side is their aim. 'Win hearts and minds' is the new cry of War we hear often (should be folllowed by 'if not restict their freedom to follow their own consciences or kill them).
As I repeat even if you are agnotic or an aethiest you sholud be concerned about the whole satanic thing. This religion was likely set up by French Masons.

After showing many of my very closest friends evidence of such stuff, like Washington DC architecture or the Israeli architecture so obvious to see if you want to open your eyes, all I get is finally after alot of wheedling out of the evidence presented, 'I don't give a f**k!'. People are literally scared to know the truth of this twisted NWO religion and its all persuavive symbology, even the political animals.

[klhrevolutionist]

While I think it is good that censorship is not rampant in the truth/patriot or whatever name you give it online community. I will state that I had the chance to confront Mr. Joseph. And make no mistake about the recording you are free to listen to: He is nothing more than a talking head for more communism. And this belief sadly has struck a nerver within this "movement" and people unknowingly joining up to be little commies.
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The creator of zeitgeist Peter Joseph was a guest on The Power Hour this morning 06/20/2008. I encourage every listener to go to look up theses words communism, agitprop, utopia, humanism and environmentalism. Then Listen to this audio.

http://www.GreenvilleRoad.info/audio/pjoseph.mp3

Mr Joseph makes his argument that your reality is going to have to move, that we are all one. He admits that his beliefs share commonality to communism. And he states we need to give up our ideas and beliefs and that the great utopia is just around the corner... Communism is alive and well, make no mistake about it.

[sociostudent]

"If people would forget about utopia! When rationalism destroyed heaven and decided to set it up here on earth, that most terrible of all goals entered human ambition. It was clear there'd be no end to what people would be made to suffer for it.”

 Nadine Gordimer

[HellBoy]

While I think it is good that censorship is not rampant in the truth/patriot or whatever name you give it online community. I will state that I had the chance to confront Mr. Joseph. And make no mistake about the recording you are free to listen to: He is nothing more than a talking head for more communism. And this belief sadly has struck a nerver within this "movement" and people unknowingly joining up to be little commies.
---------------
The creator of zeitgeist Peter Joseph was a guest on The Power Hour this morning 06/20/2008. I encourage every listener to go to look up theses words communism, agitprop, utopia, humanism and environmentalism. Then Listen to this audio.

http://www.GreenvilleRoad.info/audio/pjoseph.mp3

Mr Joseph makes his argument that your reality is going to have to move, that we are all one. He admits that his beliefs share commonality to communism. And he states we need to give up our ideas and beliefs and that the great utopia is just around the corner... Communism is alive and well, make no mistake about it.

Blavatsky would be really happy with this guy's work.

But you have to admit it was slick, part 1 take down the belief system(s)
and in part 2 they offer a big chocolate sundae with a scoop of communist
utopia on top.

Played perfectly to the cattle, when ever I talk to one of the blank eyed
cell phone equipped kids they tell me how wonderful Zeitgeist is and that
I should immediately see it.

And when I attempt to explain to them the intent of the videos I always
get the same response: "well, why would they do that ??" (dur, dur, dur)

I wish my people would come pick me up, I want to go home to the planet
of sanity and common sense.

[krane]

Last night while travelling on the train home from work, i became confused and overwhelmed while considering the best course of action to resist the future that has been laid out for us. I pushed the different possibilites that had been presented to me from my mind, and inwardly asked my guru, the great wise-soul Paramahansa Yogananda, for guidance.
Holding his translation and commentary of the timeless Bhagavad Gita in my hands, I opened it to the page my bookmark sat and began to read.

[CHAPTER II]

VERSE 32

O Son of Pritha (Arjuna), fortunate are the Kshatriyas when such a righteous battle has, unprovoked, fallen to their lot; they find therein an open door to heaven.

"O PRITHA'S WAVERING SON, a noble minded warrior should eagerly seize any opportunity of fighting for an exalted cause! Those who respond to the call of a righteous battle, one that comes without aggressive seeking and demands the fulfillment of the karmic law of justice, will surely behold in that duty a secret door to heavenly happiness"


   There are two kinds of noble warriors- the soldier of any land who engages himself in a righteous war for the protection of his country, and the spiritual warrior who is ready to use self-control and undaunted endeavor to protect the inner kingdom of peace. No warriors of the Spirit should hesitate because of the delusive stratagem of the inner enemy; no dutiful soldier should waver because of the danger to his life or because of the necessary bloodshed.

   In Krishna's exhortation to Arjuna that he must perform his righteous duty as a Kshatriya (warrior), the Gita warns man against the temptation to use a metaphysical doctrine of nonviolence as a subterfuge for tolerating the slaughter of innocent people by conscienceless marauders. The doctrine of nonviolence as taught by Leo Tolstoy and by Mahatma Gandhi includes resistance to evil. A nonviolent person should resist evil, however, not with physical force but with spiritual force. Gandhi was a warrior without armor, save the invulnerable breastplate of Truth. Nonviolence is a passive resistance to evil by love and by spiritual force and reason, without a use physical force. The nonviolent man maintains that if it is necessary to shed blood in the protection of innocence, then let that blood be his own! If a person spiritually resists a program of wrong, to the point of inviting his own death at the hands of his infuriated foes, there will ultimately be less blood shed in the world. The point has been proven a practical truth in recent Indian history- India's victory of independence from foreign rule through Gandhi's principles of passive resistance. [This was written in 1950]

   Thousands of Gandhi's followers martyred themselves in adhering to the doctrine of nonviolence. On numerous occasions Gandhi's unarmed followers resisted by noncooperation a law they considered unjust; they were attacked and beaten by political enemies. Many of Gandhi's followers were attacked and beaten by political enemies. Many of Gandhi's disciples, mercilessly cudgeled, rose again to their feet and calmly pointing to their broken skulls and limbs, urged their enemies to beat them again! Witnesses have testified that this display of nonviolent courage caused many political enemies to throw down their weapons, remorseful at having attacked brave men who, for the sake of their convictions, were not afraid either of maiming or death.

   The doctrine of nonviolence maintains that the sacrifice of one's self teaches one's enemies, through the awakening of conscience and the inner urgings of repentance, to eschew violence. This premise presupposes that the enemy's conscience is capable of being touched. If you walk into a tiger's cage and start preaching nonviolence to him, his bestial nature, which is unprincipled in the moral standards of man, will cause him to devour you- utterly ruining your fine dissertation! The tiger learns nothing from the experience unless it be that a fool is an easy meal. The smart crack of a trainer's whip might have engendered a more meaningful conversation between man and beast.

   Parallelisms can be drawn from accounts of atrocities in the history of man. Though force in itself is an evil, when employed against a greater evil, the lesser of the two evils becomes in this world of relativity an act of righteousness. But this is not free license to resort to force or retaliation. For example, there is a great difference between a righteous and an unrighteous war. A country may be purposely aggressive and foment wars to satisfy its greed; a war so motivated is unrighteous action by the aggressors and no soldier should cooperate with it. To defend one's country against the aggression of another, however- protecting innocent, helpless people and preserving their noble ideals and freedom- is righteous duty. It is best to consult true men of God whenever there is doubt as to whether or not a war is righteous.

   To condone defensive force in certain circumstances is not to demean the superiority of spiritual power over brute force. Even a tiger in the company of a yogi filled with the love of God becomes a pussycat. Pantajali says: "In the presence of a man perfected in ahimsa (nonviolence), enmity [in any creature] does not arise."

   "Love your enemies" is central part of the teachings of Christ. This is not a sentimental dictum nor a gesture merely to ennoble the giver, but expresses an important divine law. Good and evil are relative opposites in this world of duality. Good draws its power from pure creative vibrations of Spirit; evil derives its force from delusion. The effect of delusion is to divide, agitate, and cause inharmony. Love is the attracting power of Spirit that unites and harmonizes. When man tunes in with God's love and consciously directs its vibratory force against evil, it neutralizes the power of evil and reinforces the vibrations of good. Hate, vengeance, anger, on the other hand, are of the same ilk as the evil being resisted, and so only inflame the evil vibration. Love smothers that fire by denying it fuel! God has shown me many times the power of His love in conquering evil.

   The resistance of evil by good, not by evil, is thus the ideal method for eradicating the plague of war. The use of force down the millenniums has certainly not banished that plague!

   Jesus said, "All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Yet how many so-called "righteous wars" have been fought in the name of that beloved Christ! If one brandishes his sword against his enemy, that act excites his foe to use any weapon he can get to defend himself. War breeds war. War can be outmoded by practicing a doctrine of peace in international life. Aggressive wars should be effectively outlawed. Wars of defense are not wrong, but a far greater achievement is to be able to conquer one's world-be conquerors by nonviolent resistance. Jesus could have borrowed twelve legions of divinely armed angels to destroy his enemies- but he chose the way of nonviolence. He conquered not only the Roman Empire, but mankind, by his love and by saying: "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." The nonviolent Jesus, allowing his blood to be shed and his body to be destroyed, immortalized himself in the eyes of God and man. A nation that can maintain its independence by peaceful methods will be the greatest example and savior to the arming and warring nations of the earth.

   Gandhi maintained, however that it is better to resist with physical force than to be a coward. If a man and his family, for example, are attacked by a criminal who levels his gun at them, and the man (being actuated by inward fear) says: "Gunman, I forgive you for whatever you may do," and then flies away, leaving his helpless family- these actions cannot be called a display of nonviolence but of cowardice. According to Gandhi, a man in such situation should resort even to force rather than hide his act of cowardice under a mask of nonviolence.

   
["I accept the interpretation of ahimsa (nonviolence), namely, that it is not merely a negative state of harmlessness but it is a positive state of love, of doing good even to the evildoer. But it does not mean helping the evildoer to continue the wrong or tolerating it by passive acquiescence. On the contrary, love, the active state of ahimsa, requires you to resist the wrongdoer by dissociating yourself from him even though it may offend him or injure him physically." -Mahatma Gandhi]

   
To return a slap for a slap is easy, but more difficult it is to resist a slap by love! Any warrior who uses physical force or spiritual power to defend a righteous cause always derives in his soul a heavenly satisfaction.

   According to the law of karma a man who dies courageously on a battlefield with a clear conscience attains a blissful state after death and is reborn on earth with a valiant mind in a noble family. A storm creates changeful waves on the bosom of the ocean; when the storm vanishes, it is seen that the waves, far from having been destroyed, had merely disappeared by slipping back into the bosom of the sea. A soldier in a righteous war confronted with the grim specter of death has to keep this reality foremost in his mind: There is no death, only a return of the soul-wave to the Sea. And when righteous people, even indirectly, are the cause of slaying evildoers in a battle, they should not flatter themselves by thinking that they personally have any power of destruction! Evil, by the judgment of cosmic law, writes its own death sentence. The hero and the villain are karmically in the right place at the right time (according to God's view, not man's) for the judgment to be carried out.

   Applying these principles to the spiritual warrior, when he finds himself in a scene of inner psychological war in which peace and spiritual victory are threatened by sense temptations, he should not waver, but should see his inner battle as an opportunity to conquer his enemy-habits, and, further, to establish within himself the heaven of permanent happiness.

   A devotee who tries to conquer his psychological tests and the trials of delusion by the Christ-command of his self-control, as Jesus stilled the storm on the sea, will gradually find within himself a permanent state of heavenly peace. According to the spiritual law, the devotee who holds on to the aftereffects of meditation and who maintains, against any trail, his inward peace and joy in this life will pass after death to the Eternal Blissful Peace of God.



-An excerpt from
Paramahansa Yogananda's translation and commentary of The Bhagavad Gita.
'The immortal dialogue between soul and Spirit.'

-Underlining of passages added by me, the scribe

Enjoy

[Dig]

Last night while travelling on the train home from work, i became confused and overwhelmed while considering the best course of action to resist the future that has been laid out for us. I pushed the different possibilites that had been presented to me from my mind, and inwardly asked my guru, the great wise-soul Paramahansa Yogananda, for guidance.
Holding his translation and commentary of the timeless Bhagavad Gita in my hands, I opened it to the page my bookmark sat and began to read.

[CHAPTER II]

VERSE 32

O Son of Pritha (Arjuna), fortunate are the Kshatriyas when such a righteous battle has, unprovoked, fallen to their lot; they find therein an open door to heaven.

"O PRITHA'S WAVERING SON, a noble minded warrior should eagerly seize any opportunity of fighting for an exalted cause! Those who respond to the call of a righteous battle, one that comes without aggressive seeking and demands the fulfillment of the karmic law of justice, will surely behold in that duty a secret door to heavenly happiness"


   There are two kinds of noble warriors- the soldier of any land who engages himself in a righteous war for the protection of his country, and the spiritual warrior who is ready to use self-control and undaunted endeavor to protect the inner kingdom of peace. No warriors of the Spirit should hesitate because of the delusive stratagem of the inner enemy; no dutiful soldier should waver because of the danger to his life or because of the necessary bloodshed.

   In Krishna's exhortation to Arjuna that he must perform his righteous duty as a Kshatriya (warrior), the Gita warns man against the temptation to use a metaphysical doctrine of nonviolence as a subterfuge for tolerating the slaughter of innocent people by conscienceless marauders. The doctrine of nonviolence as taught by Leo Tolstoy and by Mahatma Gandhi includes resistance to evil. A nonviolent person should resist evil, however, not with physical force but with spiritual force. Gandhi was a warrior without armor, save the invulnerable breastplate of Truth. Nonviolence is a passive resistance to evil by love and by spiritual force and reason, without a use physical force. The nonviolent man maintains that if it is necessary to shed blood in the protection of innocence, then let that blood be his own! If a person spiritually resists a program of wrong, to the point of inviting his own death at the hands of his infuriated foes, there will ultimately be less blood shed in the world. The point has been proven a practical truth in recent Indian history- India's victory of independence from foreign rule through Gandhi's principles of passive resistance. [This was written in 1950]

   Thousands of Gandhi's followers martyred themselves in adhering to the doctrine of nonviolence. On numerous occasions Gandhi's unarmed followers resisted by noncooperation a law they considered unjust; they were attacked and beaten by political enemies. Many of Gandhi's followers were attacked and beaten by political enemies. Many of Gandhi's disciples, mercilessly cudgeled, rose again to their feet and calmly pointing to their broken skulls and limbs, urged their enemies to beat them again! Witnesses have testified that this display of nonviolent courage caused many political enemies to throw down their weapons, remorseful at having attacked brave men who, for the sake of their convictions, were not afraid either of maiming or death.

   The doctrine of nonviolence maintains that the sacrifice of one's self teaches one's enemies, through the awakening of conscience and the inner urgings of repentance, to eschew violence. This premise presupposes that the enemy's conscience is capable of being touched. If you walk into a tiger's cage and start preaching nonviolence to him, his bestial nature, which is unprincipled in the moral standards of man, will cause him to devour you- utterly ruining your fine dissertation! The tiger learns nothing from the experience unless it be that a fool is an easy meal. The smart crack of a trainer's whip might have engendered a more meaningful conversation between man and beast.

   Parallelisms can be drawn from accounts of atrocities in the history of man. Though force in itself is an evil, when employed against a greater evil, the lesser of the two evils becomes in this world of relativity an act of righteousness. But this is not free license to resort to force or retaliation. For example, there is a great difference between a righteous and an unrighteous war. A country may be purposely aggressive and foment wars to satisfy its greed; a war so motivated is unrighteous action by the aggressors and no soldier should cooperate with it. To defend one's country against the aggression of another, however- protecting innocent, helpless people and preserving their noble ideals and freedom- is righteous duty. It is best to consult true men of God whenever there is doubt as to whether or not a war is righteous.

   To condone defensive force in certain circumstances is not to demean the superiority of spiritual power over brute force. Even a tiger in the company of a yogi filled with the love of God becomes a pussycat. Pantajali says: "In the presence of a man perfected in ahimsa (nonviolence), enmity [in any creature] does not arise."

   "Love your enemies" is central part of the teachings of Christ. This is not a sentimental dictum nor a gesture merely to ennoble the giver, but expresses an important divine law. Good and evil are relative opposites in this world of duality. Good draws its power from pure creative vibrations of Spirit; evil derives its force from delusion. The effect of delusion is to divide, agitate, and cause inharmony. Love is the attracting power of Spirit that unites and harmonizes. When man tunes in with God's love and consciously directs its vibratory force against evil, it neutralizes the power of evil and reinforces the vibrations of good. Hate, vengeance, anger, on the other hand, are of the same ilk as the evil being resisted, and so only inflame the evil vibration. Love smothers that fire by denying it fuel! God has shown me many times the power of His love in conquering evil.

   The resistance of evil by good, not by evil, is thus the ideal method for eradicating the plague of war. The use of force down the millenniums has certainly not banished that plague!

   Jesus said, "All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Yet how many so-called "righteous wars" have been fought in the name of that beloved Christ! If one brandishes his sword against his enemy, that act excites his foe to use any weapon he can get to defend himself. War breeds war. War can be outmoded by practicing a doctrine of peace in international life. Aggressive wars should be effectively outlawed. Wars of defense are not wrong, but a far greater achievement is to be able to conquer one's world-be conquerors by nonviolent resistance. Jesus could have borrowed twelve legions of divinely armed angels to destroy his enemies- but he chose the way of nonviolence. He conquered not only the Roman Empire, but mankind, by his love and by saying: "Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." The nonviolent Jesus, allowing his blood to be shed and his body to be destroyed, immortalized himself in the eyes of God and man. A nation that can maintain its independence by peaceful methods will be the greatest example and savior to the arming and warring nations of the earth.

   Gandhi maintained, however that it is better to resist with physical force than to be a coward. If a man and his family, for example, are attacked by a criminal who levels his gun at them, and the man (being actuated by inward fear) says: "Gunman, I forgive you for whatever you may do," and then flies away, leaving his helpless family- these actions cannot be called a display of nonviolence but of cowardice. According to Gandhi, a man in such situation should resort even to force rather than hide his act of cowardice under a mask of nonviolence.

   
["I accept the interpretation of ahimsa (nonviolence), namely, that it is not merely a negative state of harmlessness but it is a positive state of love, of doing good even to the evildoer. But it does not mean helping the evildoer to continue the wrong or tolerating it by passive acquiescence. On the contrary, love, the active state of ahimsa, requires you to resist the wrongdoer by dissociating yourself from him even though it may offend him or injure him physically." -Mahatma Gandhi]

   
To return a slap for a slap is easy, but more difficult it is to resist a slap by love! Any warrior who uses physical force or spiritual power to defend a righteous cause always derives in his soul a heavenly satisfaction.

   According to the law of karma a man who dies courageously on a battlefield with a clear conscience attains a blissful state after death and is reborn on earth with a valiant mind in a noble family. A storm creates changeful waves on the bosom of the ocean; when the storm vanishes, it is seen that the waves, far from having been destroyed, had merely disappeared by slipping back into the bosom of the sea. A soldier in a righteous war confronted with the grim specter of death has to keep this reality foremost in his mind: There is no death, only a return of the soul-wave to the Sea. And when righteous people, even indirectly, are the cause of slaying evildoers in a battle, they should not flatter themselves by thinking that they personally have any power of destruction! Evil, by the judgment of cosmic law, writes its own death sentence. The hero and the villain are karmically in the right place at the right time (according to God's view, not man's) for the judgment to be carried out.

   Applying these principles to the spiritual warrior, when he finds himself in a scene of inner psychological war in which peace and spiritual victory are threatened by sense temptations, he should not waver, but should see his inner battle as an opportunity to conquer his enemy-habits, and, further, to establish within himself the heaven of permanent happiness.

   A devotee who tries to conquer his psychological tests and the trials of delusion by the Christ-command of his self-control, as Jesus stilled the storm on the sea, will gradually find within himself a permanent state of heavenly peace. According to the spiritual law, the devotee who holds on to the aftereffects of meditation and who maintains, against any trail, his inward peace and joy in this life will pass after death to the Eternal Blissful Peace of God.



-An excerpt from
Paramahansa Yogananda's translation and commentary of The Bhagavad Gita.
'The immortal dialogue between soul and Spirit.'

-Underlining of passages added by me, the scribe

Enjoy

now that is some really f-d up shit right thar!

funny how this got posted right after Obama called for a new declaration of independence to bring about our "better angels."

luciferian theosophy rising.  better learn about it before it learns about you.

[krane]

my post was made on the main page... how did it end up here?

i posted what i did for the spiritual cats who are constantly told armed revolution is the only way. I thought they might like to hear what a realized master has to say on resistance.

What has that got to do with Obama? I'm not even from the US, and i can say, that you linking this post with the timing of Obama saying some phrase (better angels) sounds to me like paranoia.

This isn't luciferian theosophy, it is yoga teachings... soul-science.

I say this as your humble friend.. chill out bro!

Also, if you don't know who Yogananda is, most non-yoga cats respond well to the fact that when Gandhi met Yogananda he was so impressed he became a student of his Kriya yoga technique. In the spiritual world he is considered by many as one of the few masters of recent times. A beautiful soul devoted to the uplifting of mankind.

[Dok]

my post was made on the main page... how did it end up here?

i posted what i did for the spiritual cats who are constantly told armed revolution is the only way. I thought they might like to hear what a realized master has to say on resistance.

What has that got to do with Obama? I'm not even from the US, and i can say, that you linking this post with the timing of Obama saying some phrase (better angels) sounds to me like paranoia.

This isn't luciferian theosophy, it is yoga teachings... soul-science.

I say this as your humble friend.. chill out bro!

Also, if you don't know who Yogananda is, most non-yoga cats respond well to the fact that when Gandhi met Yogananda he was so impressed he became a student of his Kriya yoga technique. In the spiritual world he is considered by many as one of the few masters of recent times. A beautiful soul devoted to the uplifting of mankind.

Yoga, (to yoke) to yoke what? Your higher self, your spirit guide. To become one with the universal conciseness. The universal conciseness is all one, is all us. To become one with the brotherhood.

No its in the right section.

[krane]

Yoga, (to yoke) to yoke what? Your higher self, your spirit guide. To become one with the universal conciseness. The universal conciseness is all one, is all us. To become one with the brotherhood.

No its in the right section.

I can understand moving a thread to a particular section but having it moved into a specific thread, into an discussion/argument it wasn't intended for is bad forum etiquette, IMO..

but since I'm here I must say it sounds like some of you are losing the plot... it seems to me that many are riddled with fear and paranoia, like a soldier shell shocked from war, twitching and shaking, ready to fire at anything that passes in front of you.. or to make the analogy clear... to dismiss everything as a NWO plot.

You give these children too much credit. You have bought into their god-like-status... These people are not gods... They do not have an ultimate monopoly on all information in the world. They are doing what they can to suppress the human spirit, but the human spirit cannot be suppressed forever. It can be crushed and crushed into one point... but that will only cause it to explode out in all its splendour.

So let me address the teachings of yoga which you call 'luciferian philosophy'

The teachings of yoga are practical. You are asked to believe none of it as truth. By investing no emotions in the intellectual side of it, you cannot be mislead. Your mind remains open, where all can be considered and weighed without denying the possibility of new information.
Meditation is the key technique of Yoga. While it employs various other techniques these are generally to keep the body healthy and working correctly, as well as to develop relaxation, concentration and control. Concentration plays a large part in meditation, but meditation is something more. It is the technique of transcendence, to become associated with the eternal soul, or spirit

We have forgotten our spiritual roots. mind. body. SPIRIT. But these days we consider spirit to be just some vague word for motivation. Under the current mainstream scientific paradigm, we are but mind and bodies. Matter and messed up minds... is considered all there is within the mainstream propaganda. Through this light you can see that if you believe this paradigm, it seems to be YOU who is buying into 'luciferian theosophy'

Yes, there is a lot of Yoga theory. Written above is a snippet. It tells us that mater is not all there is, and that we must become associated with the eternal divine world of spirit, because at the moment we are like automatons caught in the throes of matter. It tells us that death and rebirth are because of this sole association.. we do not realise that this is the world of change, and thus less real than the eternal soul, which is within us all. We are told that anything is possible, as outside of this manifest world is the infinite, and we can draw on that power to achieve whatever we want or whatever needs to be achieved. It tells us that we have 5 inner senses that will show us the truth, and that while we only view the world through our 5 outer senses, we will be lost in delusion-- but while we are told these things, we are asked that we realise these truths for ourselves, through mediation.

But enough of that, i'd like to speak about Yogi's themselves. Yogi's also walk a path of creation, as this is a part of truth. We devote ourselves to mankind and to the world, and serve this world by practicing love.. love for the sake of love. love because it feels and is good.
We love our enemies, for they are but lost children. We forgive those that have done wrong, for it gives them a way back, a way out of their madness. Have you ever considered that by hating those 'elites', you appear to them as an angry mob, ready to lynch them if you got the chance, thus fueling their attitude and actions more so?

Yoga asks you to develop your selfless nature. We are all one. Take away all our deconstructions of the world and you are left with the One. The yogi removes his ego as his ego is a mad construction, covering the beauty of our soul. In this way the Yogi frees himself, from karma, the binds of the past.

This freedom is what the world needs. We all need to make the right actions, not the easy actions we think we must do because of what we have done in the past. This is the challenge we all face.
 
But i'm not here to change every bodies mind, i would be surprised if I even changed one, but I hope you see that Yoga is an art of truth, selfless love and devotional service to mankind, not a product of the devil. It teaches the synthesis of all religions... It tells us to explore the world with more than our intellect... to explore silence and stillness... to explore inside.

Now i ask those who write these teachings off as 'luciferian theosophy' or consider them a grand conspiracy.. What do you think of what i have just written?

What are your reasons for believing Yoga to be luciferian?


[edit, had a line left in 'its all the same god' but cant remember what paragraphy it was meant to be after... i may have actually deleted that paragraph so i came back to remove the line as it didnt really fit in]

[Dig]

"we must become associated with the eternal divine world of spirit"

must we?

whose interpretation of the world of spirit.

I do agree that this should be split off from ZA though

Let me know if you still want it done.

thanks

[37]

Watched the new Nostradamus 2012 History Channel special.

Things of interest...

Experts:(these are the two most visible Nostradamus experts...ever)
Vincent Brooks- Practicing Druid
John Hogue- Member of the Zero Population Growth Society

Lots of discussion about Alchemy and astrology/astronomy

What I find really interesting, though, was the detailed discussion of the Hopi belief that a "blue star" will herald the coming of the next "world". 

This star idea ties a lot of stuff together.  Ben Creme and Share International issued a press release in the WSJ and ran ads on CNN New Years Eve saying that a new star will herald the return of Maitreya or the world teacher.  The last time a practicing Theosophist thought they found Maitreya was Annie Besant.  The Theosophical society raised Jiddu Krishnamurti, from a young age, as the "vessel for Maitreya".

Something else I find odd about the History Channel's blue star talk is that it would also fit into the beliefs of the Planet X people.  In particular, Marshall Masters who worked for CNN as a science editor, and now owns Your Own World Books.  Masters has been saying for at least 2 years that planet X would become visible in 2009.  He also predicted that American troops would be called back for active duty quelling public dissent and civil unrest.

NASA does nothing but support these ideas of potential destruction in 2012.  They say massive solar storms in 2012, and that the climate change tipping point will come at that time.  Let's not forget how many people buy into the global warming could kill us idea.  Or even overpopulation believers...mostly college kids.

Marshall Masters presents a happy ending, saying that after planet X passes the survivors can build a new utopia...based on the Venus Project.  Just like ZA, although ZA doesn't believe the catastrophe to be planetary, just economic.  Either way, it is about the "New Age". 

The History Channel is big funding.  ZA wasn't made on the cheap, either.  How much did Creme pay to run Maitreya commercials on New Years Eve?  Is the connection with CNN, which is owned by population reduction advocate Ted Turner, significant?  Alex said that Peter Joseph worked in television.  I wonder if he works for Time Warner.

There seems to be a convergence of propaganda going on.  A lot of little lines of sheep being lead, ultimately, to the same conclusion.  Humans are going to die in great numbers and that will be a good thing.

Consider the messages of recent movies

Matrix-Humans are a virus
Happening-the plants start killing us as a defense mechanism
The Day The Earth Stood Still(2008)-"If the planet dies, you die.  If you die, the planet lives."
2012(2009)-Probably has a version of Master's "happy ending"

The Earth After Humans-History Channel special.  Also a book.


DHS has something called "Endgame".  It is a plan with DHS and ICE to round up millions of illegal immigrants before 2012.  KBR has built the detention facilities and Wackenhut is practicing with buses.  Last summer DHS and ICE ran raids in Iowa.  These were Endgame styled raids and detentions of large numbers of people.  The immigrants were taken to the Cattle Congress in Waterloo, Iowa.  It is a location designed to transfer cattle to slaughter.  It has road and rail access. 

The ACLU has a copy of the Endgame document but DHS has taken it off of their website.  The ACLU has pointed out that flash raids, mass arrests and mass detentions is what was done in Yugoslavia.  The result was modern concentration camp networks.
 

[krane]

You guys are great critical thinkers, definitely a commendable attribute.

But i don't think you should write off all spirituality because of the distortions and propaganda.

Spiritual cats are generally dedicated warriors, plus, im not sure what it is like in the USA, but in Australia, the younger generation (under 30) are mostly either athiest, agnostic, or spiritual. I meet very very few christians these days and I associate with many different people from all walks.

So if you turn away these people you are missing a massive movement.

While i have not done the research you guys have done in historical facts, i have studied philosophy, psychology, science, and different religions and IMO spiritual teachings like yoga are the goods!! But it sounds like... and i could be wrong... that what you are speaking is to real spirituality as dogmatic christian propaganda is to real christianity.

Forgive my ignorance but i guess i assumed there would be more spiritual people on this board. I didn't expect to be seen as the enemy!

I guess this is a place for keeping it to the facts.

and maybe that is for the best.

[Jackson Holly]

Hi krane and a hardy WELCOME!

I'm one of the 'spiritualist/theosophist' bashers on this thread, but can't speak for anyone but myself. I was raised in the Methodist 'Olde~Tyme' Religion, but haven't practiced any religion for many years. However, my reading/study is more concerned with religious stuff than anything else I guess - with emphasis on the hidden/poetic nature of all religions - the 'occult' if you will.

People are FREE to believe what they will - no problem - that is a big part of the Freedom that Prison Planet Forum is dedicated to, I would say. But, it is the surreptitious hoisting of this New Age gobble-de-gook onto the world community that I object to - an obvious attack on traditional thought and understanding that has served us well all these many centuries.

The ZEITGEIST material seems to be a manufactured, packaged and marketed World View - a thinly disguised amalgam of Space Brothers / Secular Humanism / New Age Woo-Woo and good, old-fashioned Masonic/Cabalistic Luciferianism.

I see it as the One World 'Religion' - a Techno~Earth~Mother~Cult, really - that our Elite handlers have been working to inculcate for a long time.

Please straighten me out on this if you think I am way off base!

 

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

Hi krane and a hardy WELCOME!

I'm one of the 'spiritualist/theosophist' bashers on this thread, but can't speak for anyone but myself. I was raised in the Methodist 'Olde~Tyme' Religion, but haven't practiced any religion for many years. However, my reading/study is more concerned with religious stuff than anything else I guess - with emphasis on the hidden/poetic nature of all religions - the 'occult' if you will.

People are FREE to believe what they will - no problem - that is a big part of the Freedom that Prison Planet Forum is dedicated to, I would say. But, it is the surreptitious hoisting of this New Age gobble-de-gook onto the world community that I object to - an obvious attack on traditional thought and understanding that has served us well all these many centuries.

The ZEITGEIST material seems to be a manufactured, packaged and marketed World View - a thinly disguised amalgam of Space Brothers / Secular Humanism / New Age Woo-Woo and good, old-fashioned Masonic/Cabalistic Luciferianism.

I see it as the One World 'Religion' - a Techno~Earth~Mother~Cult, really - that our Elite handlers have been working to inculcate for a long time.

Please straighten me out on this if you think I am way off base!

 

i agree with this, id only add in the socialist/communist/collectivist stuff, both the Z movies have worked on the level that Jackson Holly has described (very well indeed), the first movie used religion to get the division, then some pretty well produced information(although must be noticed it is clearly rehashed from others before it - money masters, ring of power, freedom to fascism, ajs movies, and more), to give it credibility. then with the second movie gives us the solution - technology to replace human labour, to be controlled at best by a rather novel, and some what utopian belief that everything will get done and all the decisions will be made all lovey dovey, but more likely by the intellectual elite that will somehow be benign and benevolent.

its fooey, hooey, its selling us on a utopian daydream, that if we all dream hard enough we'll get there...

[krane]

Hi Jackson, thanks for the welcome.

This is a general reply to a few posts. And i am tailoring this post in a way that i believe most will be able to relate.

re:what i said earlier... You don't HAVE to become associated with spirit, but it is a state of using our true potential, which is needed to fix the world from its current chaos.

I recommend Yoga to all soldiers.

Yoga trains your mind, body and spirit. Exercises to keep the body healthy, thoughts to keep the mind positive, spiritual practice to reclaim the unlimited power of the soul.

By returning our soul, our true self, to our body, we once again become lord of our awareness.

By keeping watch of our inner world we can stay relaxed, in a state of love and positivity, without out-of-control thoughts marauding through our heads, and being affected by the external world. Does this mean we should take no action? No way. This means our actions will be under our control and not reactionary. Our actions will be guided by love and not fear. By meditating and reclaiming the ever new joy of spirit that is our birthright (remember being a child? this ever new joy is always available to you, it has just been smothered with desire seeking routine.. ever new joy is sometimes spoken of as God in yoga teachings) we gain a way to harness love and satisfaction, thus replacing our addictions to our physical senses.

In this way we can keep our happiness as our own, not dependent on mechanical triggers like drugs or material possessions. These triggers are relied upon because of the material paradigm which is prevalent in our countries. But this also means that if we remove our happiness from the external world we can be free no matter the external situation. In a state of love when caged. In a state of love when facing our enemies. In a state of love when fighting in the army. Re-read the Yogananda passage i scribed and you will see it says nothing that would support the problems you have with other spiritual teachings.

He recommends resistance and lists the best ways to resist. He does not tell you to wait for a messiah. He tells you to become the messiah. Christ is a state of consciousness, of potential... it is the same as self-realization in yoga, and enlightenment in Buddhism.

In states of relaxation and control of breath we also gain control of mind, and our immune system functions best. Meditation gives us awareness of spirit, the suppressed part of ourselves, as well as developing our concentration, focus, and will power. In terms of action, these tools being trained makes us extremely more apt to influence the world as we will not be distracted by things like midget porn, getting high or playing video games. We can remain focused on what needs to be done, not what we wanna do to make ourselves feel good. Our action becomes not dictated by entertainment but by our concentrated will.

Yoga is the ultimate science of being consciousness. Teachings being passed from generation to generation for the benefit of mankind.

Maybe not necessary, but really really f**king good

Remember, i have presented the sides that i think relate to the dilemmas people have with spirituality on this board. Specifically the idea that spirituality is the path of non-action in a material sense. It is in actuality very very focused on taking action.

[Dok]

He recommends resistance and lists the best ways to resist. He does not tell you to wait for a messiah. He tells you to become the messiah. Christ is a state of consciousness, of potential... it is the same as self-realization in yoga, and enlightenment in Buddhism.

Its the same old lie. and ye shall be as gods  Jesus is not part of the Heriarchy, as purpetuated in theosophy. Theosophy has one god and one god alone regardless to what you call it.

Helena Petrovna Blavatsky
  "And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon, the 'Lord of Phosphorus,' and Lucifer, or 'Light-Bearer,' is in us: it is our Mind – our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour from pure animalism."

[krane]

That's funny... you see humans becoming once again spiritual beings as a lie, i see the view that humans are mere animals, of only mind and matter, as a lie. I see it as part of the scientific propaganda. Spiritual teachings are seen by some as a lie created by the elite powers in their complete control of information, but i see the elite's tactic more as muddying the waters... make everyone paranoid and distrustful about everything.

What do you believe, doktor + others?

Christian? Athiest? Agnostic?

That's right, i wanna go on the attack
Just kidding, i'm just curious on your views! It'd give me more understanding on this discussion.

[Dok]

That's funny... you see humans becoming once again spiritual beings as a lie, i see the view that humans are mere animals, of only mind and matter, as a lie. I see it as part of the scientific propaganda. Spiritual teachings are seen by some as a lie created by the elite powers in their complete control of information, but i see the elite's tactic more as muddying the waters... make everyone paranoid and distrustful about everything.

What do you believe, doktor + others?

Christian? Athiest? Agnostic?

That's right, i wanna go on the attack
Just kidding, i'm just curious on your views! It'd give me more understanding on this discussion.

Im a Christian. 

[krane]

It all makes sense. I'm assuming most of you are christians too.

My ignorance tastes sweet.

That would explain the whole luciferian thing.

In my view, be it right or wrong, the christian church has become the vehicle for satan. Same with the other manipulated churches of organised religion.. modern day Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism... within these religions I see the core of truth, a core that is the same as all other religions, but the stuff that is given to the masses is nothing but silly words without true understanding. Each one of these religions as presented to the masses gives the same view... that they are right and others are wrong. I can't see how a one world religion could be created while this view exists, but anything is possible with the right propaganda and staged event i guess.

To say the conspiracy and lie exists in the interpretation that Christianity's truths are the same as the truths of all other religions (that which would unite us spiritually), and that the truth really exists in the version of Christianity given to the masses (that which keeps us divided- people seeing Christianity as right and all others wrong, or satan) does not make sense considering the way propaganda and misinformation is usually presented. Logic would state it is more likely that the knowledge which keeps us divided, and is presented to the majority of people, is in fact the lie.


Yes, people want to create a one world government.. but this does not mean all unity is wrong!

But hey, maybe i'm wrong and these are all just ramblings...

maybe its more important that we see each other as our brothers and sisters and do what we can to help each other

[White Rose Sophie]

           ZEITGEIST                                              ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM
(Fake Religions + NWO  plans)=  Anger,Revulsion, Fear   =  "Venus Project"
     \                             /     \                    /         \                   /
        Problem                             Reaction                   Solution   

Amazin' ain't it?  They just use the same methodology over and over and over.....................

 

[Dok]

It all makes sense. I'm assuming most of you are Christians too.

I wouldn't get your hopes up over that one.

That would explain the whole luciferian thing.

Really?? How so. Thats there own words. Words you apparently have never heard or chose to ignore on your own. Lucis Trust, the number one publishing company for Theosophy and the U.N.. It was originally called Lucifer Publishing Company. In honor of? You guessed it, Lucifer. they had to change the name because they were giving to much away.

According to Blavatsky’s esoteric theology, "Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the ‘Holy Ghost’ and ‘Satan,’ at one and the same time…"

"And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon, the 'Lord of Phosphorus,' and Lucifer, or 'Light-Bearer,' is in us: it is our Mind – our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour from pure animalism." (Vol. 2, p. 513)

For a time the Theosophical Society published Lucifer magazine, a monthly periodical which proclaimed the inverted doctrine of Lucifer coming to redeem humanity. In the February, 1917 issue of Theosophy, the publication of the United Lodge of Theosophists in Los Angeles, an article reprinted from an early edition of Lucifer magazine gives a detailed account of Theosophical creation:

"And, when God said: 'Let there be light,' Intelligence was made and light appeared.

"Then, the Intelligence which God had breathed forth, like a planet detached from the Sun, took the form of a splendid Angel and the heavens saluted him with the name Lucifer.

"Intelligence awoke and it fathomed its own depths as it heard this apostrophe of the divine Word, 'Let there be Light.' It felt itself to be free, for God had commanded it so to be, and it answered, raising its head and spreading its wings, 'I will not be Slavery.'…"

"God then unloosed from his bosom the thread of splendour which held back the superb spirit, and as he watched him dive into the night, cutting in it a path of glory, he loved the child of his thought, and smiling with a smile ineffable, he murmured to himself: 'How fair a thing was this Light!'…"

"Perhaps Lucifer, in plunging into the night, drew with him a shower of Stars and Suns by the attraction of his glory?" (italics in original)


Its not hard to figure out. For they tell us who they worship. The hierarchy is a scam, they want you to open your self up. Your not getting a spirit guide or a walk-in, your getting something much worse. Have you ever compared the messages from these enlightened beings? Did you know that Mary the Queen of heaven, Lord Maitreya, the Space Brothers, the Great White Lodge, and all other heirarchey members all give the same message. You might want to look into that.

In my view, be it right or wrong, the Christian church has become the vehicle for satan. Same with the other manipulated churches of organised religion.. modern day Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism... within these religions I see the core of truth, a core that is the same as all other religions, but the stuff that is given to the masses is nothing but silly words without true understanding. Each one of these religions as presented to the masses gives the same view... that they are right and others are wrong. I can't see how a one world religion could be created while this view exists, but anything is possible with the right propaganda and staged event i guess.

Some of that is true. But the one truth that is always attacked is the truth that Jesus is God made flesh. Always attacked and always disputed by the people i mentioned above. That is always there message, Jesus was one of us, do what we say. Really he was a space brother? Then why cant they just drop off a radio, why is it the only way to talk to them or any other spiritual being has to be done through some form of channeling? Even the queen of heaven has to be channeled. But not Jesus.  Weird that they always attack him, yet claim him as one of their own.

To say the conspiracy and lie exists in the interpretation that Christianity's truths are the same as the truths of all other religions (that which would unite us spiritually), and that the truth really exists in the version of Christianity given to the masses (that which keeps us divided- people seeing Christianity as right and all others wrong, or satan) does not make sense considering the way propaganda and misinformation is usually presented. Logic would state it is more likely that the knowledge which keeps us divided, and is presented to the majority of people, is in fact the lie.

Again Theosophist's have shown who they worship, you have either ignored it or choose to not believe it. The choice is yours.

Yes, people want to create a one world government.. but this does not mean all unity is wrong!

A one world government is coming along with a one world interfaith religion along side a one world currency. There is only one book in the world that predicts all of this and stands opposed to it. And that book is the Bible. It is the only book to predict the future 100% of the time 100% right. So now you know what the founders of Theosophy believe, are you still willing to stick with it? Heres some more info you might find interesting.

My massive thread on Maitreya
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=76030.0

My thread on the coming one world interfaith movement.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=72573.0

Its kind of hard to look at these and deny that they are happening. 

[Dok]

           ZEITGEIST                                              ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM
(Fake Religions + NWO  plans)=  Anger,Revulsion, Fear   =  "Venus Project"
     \                             /     \                    /         \                   /
        Problem                             Reaction                   Solution   

Amazin' ain't it?  They just use the same methodology over and over and over.....................

 

That was really good. 

[Aden]

More and more callers have brought up on the show recently the problem of AJ exaggerating.  AJ then snaps into defensive mode and starts shouting over the caller telling them they are dis-info agents and such.  But when the caller actually "has the documents" (like on last Fridays show), AJ can only say "oops I made a mistake".  But some mistakes happen on purpose.  Like when someone pretends to be providing information when really they are just distributing  manipulative spin. 

You may recall the witch hunt style obsession AJ has with Zeitgeist.  And when AJ says to a caller "Sir did you hear Peter Joseph tell me he's an intellectual and I'm not so I don't get it?" And the caller responded "No I don't recall that at all."  AJ tells the caller he needs to re-listen to the interview.  But there's a reason the  caller doesn't recall it happening.  That reason is because it didn't happen.  AJ simply interpreted the calm collected speaking style of Peter Joseph as "Peter Joseph told me he's an intellectual and I'm not so I don't get it!"  That's a pretty massive exaggeration.  Maybe even classifiable as paranoid delusion.

Maybe he really thinks this is the best way to reach people.  Or maybe he decided he's done enough and it was time to cash in and work for the NWO as a grass roots dis-info media agent.  After all, God helps those that help themselves.  Who can know but him I guess.  In the end, all AJ has is his energizing charisma and peoples faith in his word.

[Revolt426]

The Zeitgeist film is pure BS so i cant disagree with Alex on that. But i have noticed a few things here and there.... no one is perfect i guess.

[Jackson Holly]

^^

+1 for me greeneyes ... doubleplusgood post!

krane:

There are a number of us on the forum who would probably love to get into this with you ... but we may be a bit burned out on the subject right now!

This is a terrific thread ... have you read through it? And there are other cool threads (as the doctor was saying) ... maybe just do searches for 'theosophy', 'theosophists', 'blavatsky', etc. We have been around this block a few times, there are a lot of VERY interesting posts and links.

There are a lot of soulful, spiritual people here of all persuasions ... not necessarily 'spiritualist' per se ... and not many who would say a world theosophist religion is a good thing.

They might call it homogenization of thought processes for better control of the herd.

As for me, I have come to the conclusion that all the religions, cults, secret societies, etc, are empty shells to a large degree without knowledge of the pervasive arcane substance.

[Monkeypox]

More and more callers have brought up on the show recently the problem of AJ exaggerating.  AJ then snaps into defensive mode and starts shouting over the caller telling them they are dis-info agents and such.  But when the caller actually "has the documents" (like on last Fridays show), AJ can only say "oops I made a mistake".  But some mistakes happen on purpose.  Like when someone pretends to be providing information when really they are just distributing  manipulative spin. 

You may recall the witch hunt style obsession AJ has with Zeitgeist.  And when AJ says to a caller "Sir did you hear Peter Joseph tell me he's an intellectual and I'm not so I don't get it?" And the caller responded "No I don't recall that at all."  AJ tells the caller he needs to re-listen to the interview.  But there's a reason the  caller doesn't recall it happening.  That reason is because it didn't happen.  AJ simply interpreted the calm collected speaking style of Peter Joseph as "Peter Joseph told me he's an intellectual and I'm not so I don't get it!"  That's a pretty massive exaggeration.  Maybe even classifiable as paranoid delusion.

Maybe he really thinks this is the best way to reach people.  Or maybe he decided he's done enough and it was time to cash in and work for the NWO as a grass roots dis-info media agent.  After all, God helps those that help themselves.  Who can know but him I guess.  In the end, all AJ has is his energizing charisma and peoples faith in his word.

He has to be under a lot of stress.  He's said he's been working 16 hour days due to his radio show and his new movie, plus he's guzzling black coffee by the bucket.  Probably making him a little jumpy.

 

[Jaan]

My uncle told me, People who are really passionate about things need to take the time to respond calmly to those who are not.  Or something like that.  Basically, you need to control your emotions or you may scare away the person you want to convince.

[xTruthSeekerx]

zeitgeist guy is glued to his nwo theory no changing his mind

[Dig]

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(Fake Religions + NWO  plans)=  Anger,Revulsion, Fear   =  "Venus Project"
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Amazin' ain't it?  They just use the same methodology over and over and over.....................

 

nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[flanagan]

i believe AJ was paraphrasing what Peter Joseph said. maybe i'm not remembering right, but i thought Joseph did imply that AJ wasn't smart enough to "get it". maybe i'm wrong. i dunno. it's been a while since that interview.

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Here is most of the transcript: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=70080.0.  The entire interview is posted within this thread.

Judge for yourself. You will easily notice with the transcript that AJ gave fair time for PJ to state his case.  It was mostly when PJ gave a holier than thou attitude or made unsubstantiated utopian visions that AJ stepped in to have him explain what he was talking about.

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How do I find out who Peter Joseph works for?

Alex said that PJ works in television.

Does anyone know who signs his check?

Seriously, there is no info on this guy.  I have tried everything I can think of...short of calling the show and asking AJ.

[krane]

I'm just not sure why all spiritual teaching is lumped into a 19th century construction known as theosophy.

sorry dok, i just assumed that people must be using the word 'luciferian' because they are christian, didnt realise someone was actually preaching becoming god by giving in to satan. In no spiritual teachings that i have read (Yoga, Buddhism, Sufism, Taoism) have i ever come across the notion that the holy ghost is satan. In yoga, the holy ghost is Aum (or Om), the primal sound or vibration of the cosmos.

Generally satan in Yoga is delusion of your true self Here's where things get interesting... Meditation is seen in yoga as scientific as it is truth through experience. By focusing in silence and stillness we become aware of what was before not possible by our high level of tension and mental insanity (constantly going from thought to thought with no rest or control.. never exploring the gaps between thoughts). But you disregard all these seekers experiences by saying that what we experience is satan tricking us... how do you know this? you read it in a book. Your words that you have read on a page > what we experience. How has this been programmed into your mind? How can you say with certainty that if you explore the mystery and listen for a change, all you will hear is satan?

Christian masses seem trapped in the pages of a book. Too scared to leave the realm of words because some words have told them that satan is in those gaps, ready to pounce.

What an amazingly deceptive prison bible interpretation for the masses is!

Knowing god is actually knowing satan? And thinking about god is actually knowing God?


Everybody keeps saying that what i'm preaching is theosophy, this is simply not true. Theosophy is some weird recent creation. You're attacking my theosophical beliefs when i had never never even heard of theosophy. Spiritual practice is a science, that is why so many people have come to the same conclusions independently all around the world at different times. Not because of a satan/elite plot.

Trust me guys, i'm right into Yoga, and i can say out of all the things i have ever read, and all the people i have met in my journey, all the masters I have learned from, i have never heard any of this theosophical satan is god is the holy ghost crap. It seems to be you who have been fed the ignorance, or maybe it is just a misunderstanding of the theosophists teachings. But the idea that theosophy is somehow the founder of modern spiritual teachings is bullshit.

It is just a western creation that was obviously influenced by the true source of modern spirituality... dedicated seekers to the ways of truth.

I'm a Yogi, not a theosophist!!

Our 'bible', the Bhagavad Gita, was originally written in Sanskrit which is the source of all modern language... and yet these teachings are called theosophy, a 19th century creation? Pretty strange if u ask me

Anyway, when my eyes aren't so sore i'll do some research into this theosophy.. you guys have inspired me.