Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[Dig]

As daring as it may be, I think re-education is in order.
Nor forcefully, no.
Instead, recognize the misunderstanding, your misunderstanding, on your own.
It is up to you, no other, to study and discern what is true.

Time for Re-Education...



Not forcibly, just...
 
controlled....

and agreed upon by those elites that are superior to average barbarians...

Like Rockefeller, Rothschild, or Beatrix

[Amd304912]

You run to a jesuit preist for intelligence?  

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=66390.0

 

[Lev_Nougol]

How could it have so easily gone overlooked?

Maybe because 99% of the fricking addendum is an advertisement for the Satanic Cult of the Venus Project Gnomes.

Guess we are the dumb ones to think that a 2 hour advertisement for an invitation to Carousel has something to do with a Satanic NWO utopia.

Silly us and our crazy thoughts.

How absurd of us to see so clearly the overt agenda pervasive throughout the Rothschild/Rockefeller propaganda piece.

Welcome to Logan's Run...

I don't mean to ruffle feathers, but do you by chance have a tinfoil hat?
I mean, an alleged New World Order headed by and in the interest of a being from mythological sources?

Don't get me wrong, people have their beliefs, and have a right to believe what they want, but isn't that a bit of a stretch?
IF there is an NWO, it seems more logical they would worship the Almighty Dollar, or something of the sort.

Still, you do have a point...
Seek and ye shall find.
If you're looking for a message hard enough, even where none exists, you will surely come across it.

Maybe it's just my humble observation, but it's probably not mine alone...


~Lev

[Lev_Nougol]

Time for Re-Education...



Not forcibly, just...
 
controlled....

and agreed upon by those elites that are superior to average barbarians...

Like Rockefeller, Rothschild, or Beatrix

I did not mention such names, you did.
Nor did I say or imply anything about 'elites' or 'superiority'.

We are highly evolved mammals, with highly evolved brains.
Maybe it's time we put good use to the logic and reason what we've been gifted with.

As I said, it's up to the individual do pursue Truth.
We, individually, are our own authority.
We can't rely on elites, governments, religions, anything.

There may be some inklings to be attained through such means, but inklings alone do not fill the soul.
Like scraps of bread, they can be enough to survive, but not enough to thrive.

Someone responded to my mention of Anthony De Mello (a Jesuit Priest and spiritual philosopher).
I was simply making a reference.
I can't say I would walk the religious path of said man, but only that there is something to his message on spirituality, an inkling.


~Lev

[Dig]

I don't mean to ruffle feathers, but do you by chance have a tinfoil hat?
I mean, an alleged New World Order headed by and in the interest of a being from mythological sources?

Don't get me wrong, people have their beliefs, and have a right to believe what they want, but isn't that a bit of a stretch?
IF there is an NWO, it seems more logical they would worship the Almighty Dollar, or something of the sort.

Still, you do have a point...
Seek and ye shall find.
If you're looking for a message hard enough, even where none exists, you will surely come across it.

Maybe it's just my humble observation, but it's probably not mine alone...


~Lev

yup I got a tinfoil hat and a crystal ball.

why would the NWO pray to the almighty dollar?

they create the dollar.  they pray to themselves and their desire for total control.

by chance, do you mean to distract people from seeing what is so apparent.

I am not sure, possibly it is just an off handed comment about something that I see in your posts.

perhaps I do not live in solidarity while holding this view.

and don't get me wrong, i am not accusing you of purposefully veering attention from the absolute genocide committed by these sadistic self proclaimed deities.  but your actions are kind of consistent with that accusation although I do not hold it myself.  you may even see that your posts are kind of a stretch from reality.

just my limited view on the matter, please do not take it personally.

[mr anderson]

IF there is an NWO, it seems more logical they would worship the Almighty Dollar, or something of the sort.
~Lev

If!?

Bush Snr
Gordon Brown
Henry Kissenger
John Howard
Bill Clinton

Are just some who have called for a New World Order.

[sociostudent]

But that's the whole point of it - truth mixed with lies is a most dangerous formula.

true dat. 

[Lev_Nougol]

yup I got a tinfoil hat and a crystal ball.

why would the NWO pray to the almighty dollar?

they create the dollar.  they pray to themselves and their desire for total control.

by chance, do you mean to distract people from seeing what is so apparent.

I am not sure, possibly it is just an off handed comment about something that I see in your posts.

perhaps I do not live in solidarity while holding this view.

and don't get me wrong, i am not accusing you of purposefully veering attention from the absolute genocide committed by these sadistic self proclaimed deities.  but your actions are kind of consistent with that accusation although I do not hold it myself.  you may even see that your posts are kind of a stretch from reality.

just my limited view on the matter, please do not take it personally.

Alright, 'they' make the dollar, I'll give you that.
Still, how does praising themselves fit into 'Satanism'?
Maybe in a more Lavey sense, but that's not exactly 'Satanic Cult' material, since it's more about self-empowerment.

Maybe it's the sadistic, malicious manner in which the guys at the top run things, which many may easily consider 'evil' which would be related to 'Satan' from a Judeo-Christian standpoint.
If that's what you were implying, then I can see that point, though I'm not inclined to adhere to religious views.

Now then, the portion of the discussion that has the most of my attention...
You mentioned distraction.
The world we live in is full of distractions.
You know it, I know it.
I would not move in an attempt to fall in line with the very things I detest.

What I mean to convey is an approach more in tune with 'spiritual philosophy', if you will.
Too many of us are so caught up in conspiracy and conspiracy theory that we may be missing the bigger picture.
Sure, there is no doubt that there are a lot of shady things in the world, but should we be so focused on it that we neglect our own pursuit of happiness?

There are problems, and they should be addressed, but talking alone isn't going to change anything.
Yeah, this is where I'd reveal my pitch if I was trying to sell something.
I'm not, but I will say that there are various movements that have a lot of potential.
This includes both Zeitgeist AND places like here, Prison Planet.

I'm not sure what sparked the 'war' between the sides, but I think it could be sorted out if everyone was willing to consider what the other had to say, even if they don't agree with it in the end.
My course of action is generally from the angle of an observer, but sometimes I'm compelled to jump into the fray in hope of sorting it out before all hell breaks loose.

Bottom line, I think P.J Inc. and A.J. Inc. could both benefit from a mutual decision; agree to disagree.
There are clearly more things in common on both sides than the more fanatical persons involved may care to notice.

Hey, we all like to be a part of something, and we all have our causes, I get that.
However, so very many are more lost in being part of a cause than to contribute to it in a beneficial way.
We can fight, bicker, insinuate and accuse, but that's not going to help anything.
What are we really after?
Peace? Unity? Happiness? Freedom?
How will we reach these things if we're constantly at odds with one another and ourselves?

What really separates us?
P.J. Inc's angle on religion?
A.J Inc's angle on conspiracy?

Alright, so maybe there's a possibility that the 'NWO' is involved in this, whether direct or influential.
Why would they do that?
To separate, to confuse, to narrow the mind with hate and fear.
If we keep fighting, we'll be playing right into it, won't we?

It may just be me, but I'm so tired of seeing brother at war with brother...


~Lev

[Dig]

Alright, 'they' make the dollar, I'll give you that.
Still, how does praising themselves fit into 'Satanism'?
Maybe in a more Lavey sense, but that's not exactly 'Satanic Cult' material, since it's more about self-empowerment.

Maybe it's the sadistic, malicious manner in which the guys at the top run things, which many may easily consider 'evil' which would be related to 'Satan' from a Judeo-Christian standpoint.
If that's what you were implying, then I can see that point, though I'm not inclined to adhere to religious views.

Now then, the portion of the discussion that has the most of my attention...
You mentioned distraction.
The world we live in is full of distractions.
You know it, I know it.
I would not move in an attempt to fall in line with the very things I detest.

What I mean to convey is an approach more in tune with 'spiritual philosophy', if you will.
Too many of us are so caught up in conspiracy and conspiracy theory that we may be missing the bigger picture.
Sure, there is no doubt that there are a lot of shady things in the world, but should we be so focused on it that we neglect our own pursuit of happiness?

There are problems, and they should be addressed, but talking alone isn't going to change anything.
Yeah, this is where I'd reveal my pitch if I was trying to sell something.
I'm not, but I will say that there are various movements that have a lot of potential.
This includes both Zeitgeist AND places like here, Prison Planet.

I'm not sure what sparked the 'war' between the sides, but I think it could be sorted out if everyone was willing to consider what the other had to say, even if they don't agree with it in the end.
My course of action is generally from the angle of an observer, but sometimes I'm compelled to jump into the fray in hope of sorting it out before all hell breaks loose.

Bottom line, I think P.J Inc. and A.J. Inc. could both benefit from a mutual decision; agree to disagree.
There are clearly more things in common on both sides than the more fanatical persons involved may care to notice.

Hey, we all like to be a part of something, and we all have our causes, I get that.
However, so very many are more lost in being part of a cause than to contribute to it in a beneficial way.
We can fight, bicker, insinuate and accuse, but that's not going to help anything.
What are we really after?
Peace? Unity? Happiness? Freedom?
How will we reach these things if we're constantly at odds with one another and ourselves?

What really separates us?
P.J. Inc's angle on religion?
A.J Inc's angle on conspiracy?

Alright, so maybe there's a possibility that the 'NWO' is involved in this, whether direct or influential.
Why would they do that?
To separate, to confuse, to narrow the mind with hate and fear.
If we keep fighting, we'll be playing right into it, won't we?

It may just be me, but I'm so tired of seeing brother at war with brother...


~Lev

"It may just be me, but I'm so tired of seeing brother at war with brother..."

It may be me, but I prefer a constitutional republic than seeing the end of all "brothers" as they are swept away in a scientific technocracy filled with "higher spiritual enlightenment" and conceived by testubes and frozen fluids.

Yeah that makes much more sense:


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0328832/

[Lucian Solaris]

what is directly after it? that/those frame(s) may be acting as a 'distraction' for the brain.  See that partial '5', the subconscious mind would waste time thinking of the possibilities of what it just witnessed.  It would serve as a mental distraction while the lead is presented.  Obviously it alone wouldn't be enough to distract the brain to the point of "un-question-ability", but it could be a piece in the program.

[Lev_Nougol]

"It may just be me, but I'm so tired of seeing brother at war with brother..."

It may be me, but I prefer a constitutional republic than seeing the end of all "brothers" as they are swept away in a scientific technocracy filled with "higher spiritual enlightenment" and conceived by testubes and frozen fluids.

Yeah that makes much more sense:


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0328832/

So you'd prefer we adhere to the ancient process of a formal or informal system of primary principles and laws that regulates a government or other institutions...
Even though that method has been tried, failed, tried again, and so on...

Oh, and lest we forget, the 'beloved' constitution has how many amendments?
If it was so great in the first place, why amend?
Further, if amends are to improve, why are they now trying to abolish said amendments?

You know what the constitution is for?
A distraction, lulling us into a false sense of security.

Republic: A state where sovereignty rests with the people or their representatives, rather than with a monarch or emperor; a country with no monarchy.

Yeah, because the Fed Reserve isn't the Corporatocracy that rules the world via The World Bank.
The so-called 'elites' aren't our emperors.
We aren't enslaved by fear, confusion, money.

So, the old ways have led up to the world we live in now, slaves to our on devices.
Surely embracing a way of logic and technology has its merits.

Yeah, test-tubes, it seems so vile.
Never mind that we could eliminate genetic diseases, mutations that cause physical and mental handicaps, life-long suffering.

You paint a picture as if such a future is going to be like The Borg from Star Trek.
Hmm, I think I mentioned being enslaved by fear already...


~Lev

[Dig]

So you'd prefer we adhere to the ancient process of a formal or informal system of primary principles and laws that regulates a government or other institutions...
Even though that method has been tried, failed, tried again, and so on...

Oh, and lest we forget, the 'beloved' constitution has how many amendments?
If it was so great in the first place, why amend?
Further, if amends are to improve, why are they now trying to abolish said amendments?

You know what the constitution is for?
A distraction, lulling us into a false sense of security.

Republic: A state where sovereignty rests with the people or their representatives, rather than with a monarch or emperor; a country with no monarchy.

Yeah, because the Fed Reserve isn't the Corporatocracy that rules the world via The World Bank.
The so-called 'elites' aren't our emperors.
We aren't enslaved by fear, confusion, money.

So, the old ways have led up to the world we live in now, slaves to our on devices.
Surely embracing a way of logic and technology has its merits.

Yeah, test-tubes, it seems so vile.
Never mind that we could eliminate genetic diseases, mutations that cause physical and mental handicaps, life-long suffering.

You paint a picture as if such a future is going to be like The Borg from Star Trek.
Hmm, I think I mentioned being enslaved by fear already...


~Lev

oh man, awesome.

so you really believe like Barack Obama that the constitution is inherently flawed even though it has not been adhered to for over 100 years.

Maybe you are right and we ought to accept the one world collective of peace and harmony.

We should kick off the celebration with Z-Day, Carousel, or maybe a 6 billion human jumbotron:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBWOEdy_-qM

[sociostudent]

That actually looked kinda cool (the video) until I realized that that poor guy at the end was probably killed for getting his colored sign changed over late. 

[CentexTruther]

Wow, i am sick of all of these marxist neo-buddhists and their push for apathy as a solution...

The bottom line is that the technocracy CONTROLS the technology and thus controls who gets what and when. Therefore, being that the majority are openly eugenicists, that doesnt sound too cool does it???  So, wake up and realize the fact that "they" dont want to give us what theyve got.  No, instead, they want 80% or more of us gone!  

As far as the constitution goes, it may not be perfect, but you give me one example of that much personal freedom in any time of any country.  The fact is we are not living by it, all of the basic rights guaranteed in it are being stripped from us, and yes we have seen that this system isnt perfect and like all others attempted so far, it IS failing.  But you say that means that those of us who value freedom and liberty are just "stuck in the past" or what?  Just because the illuminati has used the false left-right paradigm to demonize REAL conservatives with their boy Bush, so that everyone can gladly say "yeah, im progressive" and get suckered by Barack O'Brzezinski, doesnt mean that there arent those of us who see through it all.

Maybe if you people would set down the Tao Te Ching and the pipe for a bit, you could have more time to better understand all of this which you refer to as "tinfoil hat" info.

Oh thats right, no, just sit back and dont get to caught up in reality, just take the reality that the msm gives you, get your palms read, talk on and on about how you are superior b.c you "truly understand the duality of nature".

[Lev_Nougol]

Sorry to bring back up a (seemingly) dead topic, but in reading the bits of the transcript here, I saw some very strange...we'll call them coincidental...words spoken by A. Jones.

(here goes...)

P. Joseph asks: What is the New World Order —as you define it Alex?

Alex   Jones:   What is the New World Order as I define it?

Peter   Joseph:   I want... well, what is it in a concise definition tell me what it ... if you were to explain it to a... to someone who never even heard of such a thing in a real concise manner what is the New World Order.

Alex   Jones:   It is a hereditary clan that rules through the fraudulent fractional reserve monetary banking scam that operates through intelligence systems and shadow governments.

Peter   Joseph:   And their goal is what?

Alex   Jones:   Their goal is hyper dominance and to control the past, the present and the future to set up a worldwide police state by manipulating people's primitive fears with manufactured terror threats, biological threats, chemical threats. Their end-game is to exterminate... well most of them now say 99% of the population — the public documents say 80%.— and to create then a machine utopia where the elite and their progeny go to the stars. It is a worldwide eugenics cult that is in control of most the resources on the planet and is eradicating the family and the free market and then of course demonizing the free market by claiming this corrupt system they have is a free market, and are now in the final phases of their worldwide consolidation —their victory — which people are calling a collapse or failure.

(later on...)

Alex   Jones:   No... no, the low level morons that have lost all their other factory jobs and wanna work as prison guards in there... you're absolutely right. They've been forced through engineering into that evil economy that corrupt, that bad, that anti-human, that suppressing... grabbing some black kid because he was caught with cocaine the government shipped in when he's fourteen years old because the MTV tells him it's cool with the bling culture and throwing him in a tiny cell to now be trained how to be a hardcore criminal. That is evil against the human code of nurturing and growing and training and building and reaching for the stars! There is evil and I will declare abortion evil and I will declare us special, I will declare us a divine species in the image of God and I will not let the technocrats or anybody else tell me that because I know we're going to the stars and I know our destiny is great and I know a little black kid having pesticide tested on them until they die is evil!

(To the stars indeed...)

(also)

Peter   Joseph:   — Ok well what about the [NWO] people though? What about these people that are the ones that are perpetuating this? What is your solution for these people? What do we do with these people so to speak?

Alex   Jones:   Well I don't like bloody french type revolutions which then turn into something almost even worst. I think they need to be identified, exposed and then they need by juries of their peers. They need to be given fair trials and sent to prison

(later...)

Peter   Joseph:   Let me um... let me comment if you don't mind. Basically, your assumption then on the New World Order is that you have to have the public to wake up to this elite group that are trying to dominate things and then you have to prosecute them and put them in jail and take them out and that will be the resolution that you basically—

Alex   Jones:   That will not be the total resolution but... but... but... but yes we have a... just like the Nazis they had to be taken out or you know...

(and)

Alex   Jones:   I agree with that, but Ahh ahh ahh stop! stop! The social engineers want to put people in prisons because they own them and they wanna have slavery so this is the way to legalize slavery and say "we catch you with this compound — that's addictive that we ship in — then we're gonna put you in our slave pit." You're acting... you and your... because I've been watching you film and watching other people that support what you're saying and it's the view that the elite are dumb and stupid and they don't know what they're doing and they're idiots and more cops and more prisons aren't gonna work...—

Peter   Joseph:   No

Alex   Jones:   —Of course it's working! More people in prison, more slavery, more control it's working beautifully!

Peter   Joseph:   Sure, that's one angle to look at it but nevertheless the public is conditioned to think that these institution are actually true and real institutions.

(okay...my turn)

So, as I was saying, we'll call these 'coincidental' to keep things from blowing up.
All I'm trying to say is...A. Jones clearly lost his composure, and in doing so, may have incriminated himself in the process.
Maybe he just got carried away, maybe he was confused, maybe he was on some medication that left him disoriented...(here it comes)...maybe he's with the NWO...

So...the NWO wants to go to the stars...
A. Jones wants to go to the stars.

The NWO uses mock-up institutions like prison to maintain slavery.
A. Jones wants to imprison the NWO persons in these institutions...

Something isn't stirring the kool-aid...

So, ladies and gents, the A. Jones Inc. says P. Joseph Inc. may be influenced by or operating under NWO criteria...
Well, it looks like you can find these types of criteria in all sources.

Why?
The greatest methods of enslavement ever created:
Fear, Confusion, Separation.

I do wonder what A. Jones has to say about his choice of words though...


~Lev

[frankcastle12]

I still listen to AJ, and appreciate the info, entertainment, and the multitude of guests on the show.  That being said he made himself look like a selfish child fighting over control of the conspiracy documentary market.  I withdrew my pp.tv membership after that interview.  The Zeitgeist films have been far more effective than AJ's films, and Joseph should at least be respected for that.  A few minor lapses in the second film does not merit the ridicule, and utter disdain AJ displayed in the interview.

[Dok]

That actually looked kinda cool (the video) until I realized that that poor guy at the end was probably killed for getting his colored sign changed over late. 

They do have a food shortage over there. 

[Dig]

They do have a food shortage over there. 

yup and some of the people resort to canibalism to stay alive.  really f-d up stuff. they are obviously allowed to continue their eugenics concentration camp society as some experimental model for the NWO.

[Lev_Nougol]

Wow, i am sick of all of these marxist neo-buddhists and their push for apathy as a solution...

The bottom line is that the technocracy CONTROLS the technology and thus controls who gets what and when. Therefore, being that the majority are openly eugenicists, that doesnt sound too cool does it???  So, wake up and realize the fact that "they" dont want to give us what theyve got.  No, instead, they want 80% or more of us gone!  

As far as the constitution goes, it may not be perfect, but you give me one example of that much personal freedom in any time of any country.  The fact is we are not living by it, all of the basic rights guaranteed in it are being stripped from us, and yes we have seen that this system isnt perfect and like all others attempted so far, it IS failing.  But you say that means that those of us who value freedom and liberty are just "stuck in the past" or what?  Just because the illuminati has used the false left-right paradigm to demonize REAL conservatives with their boy Bush, so that everyone can gladly say "yeah, im progressive" and get suckered by Barack O'Brzezinski, doesnt mean that there arent those of us who see through it all.

Maybe if you people would set down the Tao Te Ching and the pipe for a bit, you could have more time to better understand all of this which you refer to as "tinfoil hat" info.

Oh thats right, no, just sit back and dont get to caught up in reality, just take the reality that the msm gives you, get your palms read, talk on and on about how you are superior b.c you "truly understand the duality of nature".

At BEST, you could possibly refer to it as Marx-esque, since there may be some similarities.
However, that doesn't make it all the same.

So, let's get deeper into this tech convo.
Alright, so we'll go ahead and say that there's a possibility that someone could be at the controls of the tech.
Someone who would use it for their own personal gain, which could mean using it against everyone else.
It IS a possibility.

However, if logic, tech, resources, etc, are the global paradigm...there would be no reason for that to happen, thus the possibility steeply diminishes.
The trick is the order in which everything is implemented.
Start with logic, clear the way for the rest.
That's it, that simple.

Yes, before you say it, it is far easier said than done.
That doesn't make the solution any less clear though.

So, with logic leading the way, resources readily available, tech booms, the machines are built, someone pushes a button and everything starts up, fully automated.
No ulterior motives, no corruption, going through the motions they were built for: serving the whole of mankind, indiscriminately.

Is it really that hard to grasp?
Yeah, I made a crack about tinfoil hats, but that doesn't mean I don't see the angles presented here.
The world is a pretty screwy place, with plenty of screwy people.

Wanna improve the world?
Improve the people.
Wanna improve the people?
Improve yourself.

We have to lead by example, folks.
Get the ball rolling and invite our brothers and sisters to join us.

We sure as hell aren't getting things done using outmoded antics, nor by bickering amongst ourselves.
You can taunt all day about so-called 'Neo-Buddhism' (which I don't subscribe to), or insinuate that I'm lost in a 'Purple Haze' (my best guess at the pipe comment), but that doesn't bring us any closer to the solution, a solution that has been in front of us this entire time.

The solution is you, is me, is all of us.
Divide and conquer got the world in the mess its in now.
Unification, purification, creation, this is how we fix it.

Or you can tell me I'm wrong, tell me I'm blind to reality, to the 'real world', and we can continue in this circle of separation and enslavement...


~Lev

[Dig]

At BEST, you could possibly refer to it as Marx-esque, since there may be some similarities.
However, that doesn't make it all the same.

So, let's get deeper into this tech convo.
Alright, so we'll go ahead and say that there's a possibility that someone could be at the controls of the tech.
Someone who would use it for their own personal gain, which could mean using it against everyone else.
It IS a possibility.

However, if logic, tech, resources, etc, are the global paradigm...there would be no reason for that to happen, thus the possibility steeply diminishes.
The trick is the order in which everything is implemented.
Start with logic, clear the way for the rest.
That's it, that simple.

Yes, before you say it, it is far easier said than done.
That doesn't make the solution any less clear though.

So, with logic leading the way, resources readily available, tech booms, the machines are built, someone pushes a button and everything starts up, fully automated.
No ulterior motives, no corruption, going through the motions they were built for: serving the whole of mankind, indiscriminately.

Is it really that hard to grasp?
Yeah, I made a crack about tinfoil hats, but that doesn't mean I don't see the angles presented here.
The world is a pretty screwy place, with plenty of screwy people.

Wanna improve the world?
Improve the people.
Wanna improve the people?
Improve yourself.

We have to lead by example, folks.
Get the ball rolling and invite our brothers and sisters to join us.

We sure as hell aren't getting things done using outmoded antics, nor by bickering amongst ourselves.
You can taunt all day about so-called 'Neo-Buddhism' (which I don't subscribe to), or insinuate that I'm lost in a 'Purple Haze' (my best guess at the pipe comment), but that doesn't bring us any closer to the solution, a solution that has been in front of us this entire time.

The solution is you, is me, is all of us.
Divide and conquer got the world in the mess its in now.
Unification, purification, creation, this is how we fix it.

Or you can tell me I'm wrong, tell me I'm blind to reality, to the 'real world', and we can continue in this circle of separation and enslavement...


~Lev

In case you wer not aware, you are a troll.

You continue to introduce nonsense to justify a genocidal sadistic scientific satanic technocracy.

We believe in the inalienable rights protected by the constitution.

You are rambling about "logic" and "technology".

If it is "logical" to genocide 6 billion people, then inalienable rights do not apply.

This is the essential problem with the scientific technocrats.

They are power hungry sadists that wish to enslave all people into their vision of a dystopia.

Free will has no quarter in a sceintific technocracy.  It simply does not exist. This is the inherent problem.  You say,

"So, let's get deeper into this tech convo.
Alright, so we'll go ahead and say that there's a possibility that someone could be at the controls of the tech.
Someone who would use it for their own personal gain, which could mean using it against everyone else.
It IS a possibility."

Then you follow it with:

"However, if logic, tech, resources, etc, are the global paradigm...there would be no reason for that to happen, thus the possibility steeply diminishes.
The trick is the order in which everything is implemented.
Start with logic, clear the way for the rest.
That's it, that simple."

The first paragraph has nothing to do with the second.  The term "logic" and "global paradigm" are semanically controlled definitions by elite sadists.  They have created this proposed "logical" solution.  Why do you think they would allow the "general logic" of most human beings to interfere with their "logic" that they created to justify population control and global slavery?  It is not "logical." If you listen to their meeting or read the transcripts (CFR. Heritage, Brookings, Bilderberg, AEI), there is a consistent message that is supposed to be "logical" yet it is truly absent of any true logic.

The message is that there needs to be population reduction and that free will is a direct threat to the established elite behind the scenes governance.  They go on for hours about how important decisions should never be left up to the common man and individuals.  They additionally expouse about how not only should decisions be made by elites who are not elected, but that these decisions be done in secrecy.

How is any of it "logical"?

It is not, but they call it logical amongst themselves.  They call it rational and necessary.

HITLER'S CONCENTRATION CAMPS WERE LOGICAL ACCORDING TO THE THIRD REICH

MAO'S GENOCIDE OF OVER 40 MILLION WAS LOGICAL ACCORDING TO ROCKEFELLER

STALIN'S GENOCIDE WAS LOGICAL ACCORDING TO THE BRITISH/US ELITE FUNDERS OF IT

THE DROPPING OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS, AGENT ORANGE, WHITE PHOSPHOROUS, NAPALM, AND USE OF MIRCOWAVE WEAPONS IS LOGICAL ACCORDING TO THE NWO ELITES

Before you talk about how "logic" will save the world, you better smell what you have been shoving.

[Dig]

Another thing:

"Divide and conquer got the world in the mess its in now."

That quote is total f-ing bullshit. Elites have gotten us in the mess we are in now using divide and conquer tactics among other things.

They now are trying to use: "Unification, purification, creation..." tactics to further the genocide and enslavement.

For some reason you are attacking the tactics to assist them in promoting new NWO sponsored tactics.

This is the same as the war on terrorism.  The NWO is the greatest producer of terrorism ever and now they have convinced millions to push their solution for their tactics of terrorism.

Problem/Reaction/Solution

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

i will admit that i tend to agree with alex more than peter, in their films and their conversations, however, in particular response to your two points, Lev_Nougol, which i'll paste below,

"So...the NWO wants to go to the stars...
A. Jones wants to go to the stars.

The NWO uses mock-up institutions like prison to maintain slavery.
A. Jones wants to imprison the NWO persons in these institutions..."

what is wrong with reaching for the stars? or going to the stars? there's no conclusion to be made from that coincidence.

for the second coincidence, i personally feel alex was trying to advocate justice, not necessarily the keeping of the same institutions. if you would argue this, please i would like to know your alternative to prisons (of some description - so no semantics, and no wish washy utopia)

[Lev_Nougol]

In case you wer not aware, you are a troll.

You continue to introduce nonsense to justify a genocidal sadistic scientific satanic technocracy.

We believe in the inalienable rights protected by the constitution.

You are rambling about "logic" and "technology".

If it is "logical" to genocide 6 billion people, then inalienable rights do not apply.

This is the essential problem with the scientific technocrats.

They are power hungry sadists that wish to enslave all people into their vision of a dystopia.

Free will has no quarter in a sceintific technocracy.  It simply does not exist. This is the inherent problem.  You say,

"So, let's get deeper into this tech convo.
Alright, so we'll go ahead and say that there's a possibility that someone could be at the controls of the tech.
Someone who would use it for their own personal gain, which could mean using it against everyone else.
It IS a possibility."

Then you follow it with:

"However, if logic, tech, resources, etc, are the global paradigm...there would be no reason for that to happen, thus the possibility steeply diminishes.
The trick is the order in which everything is implemented.
Start with logic, clear the way for the rest.
That's it, that simple."

The first paragraph has nothing to do with the second.  The term "logic" and "global paradigm" are semanically controlled definitions by elite sadists.  They have created this proposed "logical" solution.  Why do you think they would allow the "general logic" of most human beings to interfere with their "logic" that they created to justify population control and global slavery?  It is not "logical." If you listen to their meeting or read the transcripts (CFR. Heritage, Brookings, Bilderberg, AEI), there is a consistent message that is supposed to be "logical" yet it is truly absent of any true logic.

The message is that there needs to be population reduction and that free will is a direct threat to the established elite behind the scenes governance.  They go on for hours about how important decisions should never be left up to the common man and individuals.  They additionally expouse about how not only should decisions be made by elites who are not elected, but that these decisions be done in secrecy.

How is any of it "logical"?

It is not, but they call it logical amongst themselves.  They call it rational and necessary.

HITLER'S CONCENTRATION CAMPS WERE LOGICAL ACCORDING TO THE THIRD REICH

MAO'S GENOCIDE OF OVER 40 MILLION WAS LOGICAL ACCORDING TO ROCKEFELLER

STALIN'S GENOCIDE WAS LOGICAL ACCORDING TO THE BRITISH/US ELITE FUNDERS OF IT

THE DROPPING OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS, AGENT ORANGE, WHITE PHOSPHOROUS, NAPALM, AND USE OF MIRCOWAVE WEAPONS IS LOGICAL ACCORDING TO THE NWO ELITES

Before you talk about how "logic" will save the world, you better smell what you have been shoving.

Another thing:

"Divide and conquer got the world in the mess its in now."

That quote is total f-ing bullshit. Elites have gotten us in the mess we are in now using divide and conquer tactics among other things.

They now are trying to use: "Unification, purification, creation..." tactics to further the genocide and enslavement.

For some reason you are attacking the tactics to assist them in promoting new NWO sponsored tactics.

This is the same as the war on terrorism.  The NWO is the greatest producer of terrorism ever and now they have convinced millions to push their solution for their tactics of terrorism.

Problem/Reaction/Solution

So, let me get this straight...I come in here trying to establish a humane understanding with my brothers and sisters, fellow inhabitants of this world, and because you don't like what I say and sling accusations because of your paranoia of similar material...I'm a troll?

Further, you exclaim that I have introduced nonsense, and then add that it supports a 'Satanic' something-or-other?
Forgive me, clearly mythology-based paranoia is far more sensible...

Oh, yeah, and those 'inalienable rights protected by the constitution' are being alienated every day of our lives.

What are you playing at?
I brought a sensible, (dare I say it) logical, peaceful angle into here, and you're going into a fanatical fervor, much like a familiar interview between a talk-show host and a documentary producer...

Oh yeah, and the divide and conquer method has been used since the beginning of humanity, when scarcity was a reality, and it was 'us versus them' mentality, which at the time was logical.

Oh wait, you wanted something truly horrendous, didn't you?
You know what else was logical?
The Crusades.
The Salem Witch Trials.
The Spanish Inquisition.
The mass genocides in the Old Testament...
I can go on, but I think that point speaks for itself.

Now then, I'll go ahead and see what you have for us (humanity), since I'm so illogical and you're not...

Do you actually have a true solution in mind for the terrible state of the world and all its 'Satanic' glory, or do you intend to rally behind paranoia but never lift a finger to fix the true problems (if you even know what they are)?


~Lev

[Lev_Nougol]

i will admit that i tend to agree with alex more than peter, in their films and their conversations, however, in particular response to your two points, Lev_Nougol, which i'll paste below,

"So...the NWO wants to go to the stars...
A. Jones wants to go to the stars.

The NWO uses mock-up institutions like prison to maintain slavery.
A. Jones wants to imprison the NWO persons in these institutions..."

what is wrong with reaching for the stars? or going to the stars? there's no conclusion to be made from that coincidence.

for the second coincidence, i personally feel alex was trying to advocate justice, not necessarily the keeping of the same institutions. if you would argue this, please i would like to know your alternative to prisons (of some description - so no semantics, and no wish washy utopia)

I was simply stating that things can very easily be taken out of context, by accident or design, and spell something completely different.
I didn't even notice those coincidences when I saw the vids, only after careful review of the transcript.
Hell, I could have spun that so much further out of proportion in a single sentence beyond what I posted.
I didn't feel it was necessary to make my point though. :p

As for my alternative to incarceration, that depends on your viewpoint of what the greatest contributor to uncivil human actions really is.
Thus, I await your reply...


~Lev

[Dok]

So, let me get this straight...I come in here trying to establish a humane understanding with my brothers and sisters, fellow inhabitants of this world, and because you don't like what I say and sling accusations because of your paranoia of similar material...I'm a troll?

Further, you exclaim that I have introduced nonsense, and then add that it supports a 'Satanic' something-or-other?
Forgive me, clearly mythology-based paranoia is far more sensible...

Oh, yeah, and those 'inalienable rights protected by the constitution' are being alienated every day of our lives.

What are you playing at?
I brought a sensible, (dare I say it) logical, peaceful angle into here, and you're going into a fanatical fervor, much like a familiar interview between a talk-show host and a documentary producer...

Oh yeah, and the divide and conquer method has been used since the beginning of humanity, when scarcity was a reality, and it was 'us versus them' mentality, which at the time was logical.

Oh wait, you wanted something truly horrendous, didn't you?
You know what else was logical?
The Crusades.
The Salem Witch Trials.
The Spanish Inquisition.
The mass genocides in the Old Testament...
I can go on, but I think that point speaks for itself.

Now then, I'll go ahead and see what you have for us (humanity), since I'm so illogical and you're not...

Do you actually have a true solution in mind for the terrible state of the world and all its 'Satanic' glory, or do you intend to rally behind paranoia but never lift a finger to fix the true problems (if you even know what they are)?


~Lev

But Zeitdeist and ZA both push the Theosophical religion. Hmmm, mines all mythalogical yet the Heiarchy there pushing is ok. Ya your not brain washed. whats really scarry is that Theosophy is the religion of the United Nations. Dont you ever queation why all there experts are Theosophists?

[Dig]

So, let me get this straight...I come in here trying to establish a humane understanding with my brothers and sisters, fellow inhabitants of this world, and because you don't like what I say and sling accusations because of your paranoia of similar material...I'm a troll?

Further, you exclaim that I have introduced nonsense, and then add that it supports a 'Satanic' something-or-other?
Forgive me, clearly mythology-based paranoia is far more sensible...

Oh, yeah, and those 'inalienable rights protected by the constitution' are being alienated every day of our lives.

What are you playing at?
I brought a sensible, (dare I say it) logical, peaceful angle into here, and you're going into a fanatical fervor, much like a familiar interview between a talk-show host and a documentary producer...

Oh yeah, and the divide and conquer method has been used since the beginning of humanity, when scarcity was a reality, and it was 'us versus them' mentality, which at the time was logical.

Oh wait, you wanted something truly horrendous, didn't you?
You know what else was logical?
The Crusades.
The Salem Witch Trials.
The Spanish Inquisition.
The mass genocides in the Old Testament...
I can go on, but I think that point speaks for itself.

Now then, I'll go ahead and see what you have for us (humanity), since I'm so illogical and you're not...

Do you actually have a true solution in mind for the terrible state of the world and all its 'Satanic' glory, or do you intend to rally behind paranoia but never lift a finger to fix the true problems (if you even know what they are)?


~Lev

you are a troll because you fertilize threads with bullshit.

first you say that there is an obvious inherent problem with a scientific technocracy, but you say that problem is relieved by logic.

I then tell you about how "logic" and its interpretations have led to the genocide of over 100 million.

So you counter by bringing up elitist so called religious persecutions that also claimed the "logic" of their time to genocide masses of humans.  The crusades, spanish inquisition, salem witch trials were all created by similar power hungry genocidal maniacs using the structures of their time to commit horrific acts.  Just allowing the same type of genocidal maniacs more central power via a scientific technocracy, does not help.  It actually hurts.  The key is to limit the central power and therefore limiting the potential it has to be abused.  This is the main reason for the constitution, to limit central power over the individual and their inalienable rights.  Any attempt to circument the central v. local issue (via religion, scientific technocracy, esoteric satanic crap, etc.) is just troll droppings.

How is this not more fertilizer?  Please actually explain something other than introducing nonsense as if we were in an Ionesco play.

[Lev_Nougol]

But Zeitdeist and ZA both push the Theosophical religion. Hmmm, mines all mythalogical yet the Heiarchy there pushing is ok. Ya your not brain washed. whats really scarry is that Theosophy is the religion of the United Nations. Dont you ever queation why all there experts are Theosophists?

Lol, looks like I'm getting it from all angles.
Good.
It means I've merited your attention.

I'd rather prefer it not be veering toward such a negative light as Sane and I seem to be headed...but you'll have that sometimes I suppose.
Something about an unstoppable force and an immovable object...

So, let's see here...
Are you aware that Religion and Spirituality are not one and the same?
Are you aware of how simple it is to misinterpret words and images?
Are you also aware of how easily I, as just an observer with a neutral agenda, could make A. Jones himself look like a prime example of NWO propaganda, using his own words?

Let's get one thing straight, I'm not here to start, fuel or condone a war.
I'm not here to incriminate, demonize or judge.
I've already stated, very clearly, why I'm here and what I have in mind.
Take it with a grain of salt if you like, but let's not be so caught up in our thoughts to fabricate images of one another based on limited information and loose speculation.

As it is, I am aware of what Theosophy is, in a general sense.
I'm not sure of the spin the 'NWO' puts on it.
As such, I happen to be inclined to agree with some of the angles, such as all religions have a portion of truth.
This, however, does not make me a Theosophist, just as supporting Zeitgeist does not make one a Marxist, just as supporting A. Jones doesn't make you a Christian.

So anyway, since we're on the subject, what hierarchy was spoken of in Zeitgeist?
Also, how are they pushing a Theosophical angle if they are denouncing religion?
I think you're grasping...but I'll patiently await your response...

you are a troll because you fertilize threads with bullshit.

first you say that there is an obvious inherent problem with a scientific technocracy, but you say that problem is relieved by logic.

I then tell you about how "logic" and its interpretations have led to the genocide of over 100 million.

So you counter by bringing up elitist so called religious persecutions that also claimed the "logic" of their time to genocide masses of humans.  The crusades, spanish inquisition, salem witch trials were all created by similar power hungry genocidal maniacs using the structures of their time to commit horrific acts.  Just allowing the same type of genocidal maniacs more central power via a scientific technocracy, does not help.  It actually hurts.  The key is to limit the central power and therefore limiting the potential it has to be abused.  This is the main reason for the constitution, to limit central power over the individual and their inalienable rights.  Any attempt to circument the central v. local issue (via religion, scientific technocracy, esoteric satanic crap, etc.) is just troll droppings.

How is this not more fertilizer?  Please actually explain something other than introducing nonsense as if we were in an Ionesco play.

Alright, her goes...

In the tech dept, I basically used the current world setting, with its current world systems.
We have some tech, but it's controlled by said elites.
A world of 'scientific technocracy' doesn't exist and cannot exist, for in order to reach that kind of end, logic would have to be embraced, through logic, resource abundance can be understood, through such resource understanding, we would have the means and the motivation to built the tech required for a truly tech-based world.

Still with me, Slugger?
Good.

Now then, you have me examples of agendas of individual logic, to which I returned plenty of examples to mirror the effect.
Which effect?
Well, I was hoping you'd get it, but that's alright, we're still only recently acquainted.
So, the effect was basically 'I can bring up a ton of examples of pseudo-logic too'.
Notice that hyphen.
Pseudo-logic.

Now, I'll break that down too...
Essentially I'm equating seperationist/supremecist logic to false logic.
In the same stroke, I'm supporting logic aimed toward improving the quality of life for EVERYONE as true logic.

Please keep up.

So, where is that fertilizer you claimed?
Also, where is your solution to which I inquired?


~Lev

[Dok]

Lol, looks like I'm getting it from all angles.
Good.
It means I've merited your attention.

Most people here get mad when they garner my attention. 

I'd rather prefer it not be veering toward such a negative light as Sane and I seem to be headed...but you'll have that sometimes I suppose.
Something about an unstoppable force and an immovable object...

Thats between you and him, I wouldnt bet against him. Hes quite knowledgable.

So, let's see here...
Are you aware that Religion and Spirituality are not one and the same?

Sure do. And what Zeitgeist is pushing is both. We can all become one. We all are one. We are all god. Theosophy.

Are you aware of how simple it is to misinterpret words and images?

Sure, i wouldnt be here if i didnt. Must be why ZA opens with the Failed Maitreya.

Are you also aware of how easily I, as just an observer with a neutral agenda, could make A. Jones himself look like a prime example of NWO propaganda, using his own words?

I wouldnt try that here if i was you. But Zeitgeist sure does a good job of that. Sun=Son, thats still funny.

As it is, I am aware of what Theosophy is, in a general sense.
I'm not sure of the spin the 'NWO' puts on it.
As such, I happen to be inclined to agree with some of the angles, such as all religions have a portion of truth.
This, however, does not make me a Theosophist, just as supporting Zeitgeist does not make one a Marxist, just as supporting A. Jones doesn't make you a Christian.

Maybe you should follow that link of mine and learn a little more about it. the NWO is using it fully, when i said it was the religion of the UN i wasnt kidding. They are bringing all the worlds religions together through it. Well all but 1 that is. Supporting Zeitgeist does kind of make you a communist. And well, all their information comes from Theosophist, and they do have the Maitreya, so one can only conclude..

So anyway, since we're on the subject, what hierarchy was spoken of in Zeitgeist?
Also, how are they pushing a Theosophical angle if they are denouncing religion?
I think you're grasping...but I'll patiently await your response...

I think maybe you should watch it again. Both of them, now that you kind of know what to look for.

[Lev_Nougol]

Most people here get mad when they garner my attention. 

Lol, I try to maintain some sort of decency and dignity, especially when trying to reach out to others. :p

Thats between you and him, I wouldnt bet against him. Hes quite knowledgable.

Well, he did a decent article on 'troll-spotting'.
Too bad he was a little to eager to point fingers.
No worries, there's always time to cool down and start fresh.

Sure do. And what Zeitgeist is pushing is both. We can all become one. We all are one. We are all god. Theosophy.

Um, the 'all-are-one' concept may be included in some religions, such as theosophy, but in and of itself is considered spirituality, not to mention self and global awareness, which is also included in the 'Zeitgeist Curriculum'.

Sure, i wouldnt be here if i didnt. Must be why ZA opens with the Failed Maitreya.

Maitreya...as in the 'New Buddha'?
I'm not sure how that's problematic anyway...

I wouldnt try that here if i was you. But Zeitgeist sure does a good job of that. Sun=Son, thats still funny.

Well, I didn't intend to, just making a point.
As for the sun-son bit in Zeitgeist, I don't think it's that big a stretch compared to the biblical mythologies...

Maybe you should follow that link of mine and learn a little more about it. the NWO is using it fully, when i said it was the religion of the UN i wasnt kidding. They are bringing all the worlds religions together through it. Well all but 1 that is. Supporting Zeitgeist does kind of make you a communist. And well, all their information comes from Theosophist, and they do have the Maitreya, so one can only conclude..

I may follow that link sometimes, but at this current moment, I'm not in the mood for paranoia.
As for communism, the world has never experienced a true communism anyway, since it's always been gripped by officials with ulterior motives, totalitarians, fascists and the like.
One could conclude a lot of things, but I'll not get into that, it's a long way down. :p
Still, I don't see what the big deal is about Krishnamurti, seeing as he renounced the legacy pressed upon him and disbanded the order that supported it, not to mention he claimed allegiance to no nationality, caste, religion, or philosophy...

I think maybe you should watch it again. Both of them, now that you kind of know what to look for.

Watching them once was enough.
P. Joseph does know how to get info seared into the senses, I'll give him that. XD

However, since you mentioned a link, I have a couple for you as well.
Do approach with an open mind, won't you?

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncZQfzVoqxM&feature=related

Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7N0iTj61uc&feature=related

Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTMp0b2qKHw&feature=related

Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LzXAvolWU0&feature=related

Enjoy. ^_^


~Lev

[Dig]

Lol, looks like I'm getting it from all angles.
Good.
It means I've merited your attention.

I'd rather prefer it not be veering toward such a negative light as Sane and I seem to be headed...but you'll have that sometimes I suppose.
Something about an unstoppable force and an immovable object...

Awww, Luther, are you angry with me?

So, let's see here...
Are you aware that Religion and Spirituality are not one and the same?

Shocking, you come up with that on your own?

Are you aware of how simple it is to misinterpret words and images?

I am confident that a sustained objection would be appropriate here of you lining up the walls of this thread with troll kitty litter. How much more off topic can you get?  Do you realize from nothing comes everything? There is what you know, what you don't know and what you don't know you don't know (from the esteemed philosopher, Mr. Donald Rumsfeld- you are similar to him, when caught in bullshit, you philosophize about other random bullshit).

Are you also aware of how easily I, as just an observer with a neutral agenda, could make A. Jones himself look like a prime example of NWO propaganda, using his own words?

Please, please do not use your superior skills of philosophical theosophical mumbo jumbo to wreak havoc.  For shame.

Let's get one thing straight, I'm not here to start, fuel or condone a war.
I'm not here to incriminate, demonize or judge.
I've already stated, very clearly, why I'm here and what I have in mind.
Take it with a grain of salt if you like, but let's not be so caught up in our thoughts to fabricate images of one another based on limited information and loose speculation.

Perhaps you should read the mission statement of this forum:

PrisonPlanet Forum Mission Statement:
To ensure that the self-proclaimed "New World Order" will never exist for ourselves or the next generations. 
We do this by actively confronting and exposing all conspired lies and secrets that manipulate our future. 
We furthermore promote the ideal that Citizens' mutual dialogues be based on truth, intelligence, courage, and freedom
rather than deception, absurdity, cowardice, and slavery.

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day." -John F. Kennedy

Hopefully that will put some perspective on where we stand concerning a New World Order, whether it be a scientific technocracy based on centuries old satanic theosophical nonsense or whether it is a 1984 scenario of full out torture from cradle to grave.

As it is, I am aware of what Theosophy is, in a general sense.
I'm not sure of the spin the 'NWO' puts on it.
As such, I happen to be inclined to agree with some of the angles, such as all religions have a portion of truth.
This, however, does not make me a Theosophist, just as supporting Zeitgeist does not make one a Marxist, just as supporting A. Jones doesn't make you a Christian.

Well you should probably research it then since you possess such a superior intellect in regards to babbling about what is a "better" society then we currently live in.  If you do research it (just look in this thread, it is filled with useful information), you will find that Zeitgeist Addendum is basically a 2 hour advertisement for this luciferian doctrine of human existence.

So anyway, since we're on the subject, what hierarchy was spoken of in Zeitgeist?

A scientific "logical technocracy where the machines hold the highest power and by default, the ones who program them are the wizards behind the curtain.

Also, how are they pushing a Theosophical angle if they are denouncing religion?

Because they are deceptive pricks.  They proclaim to be against religion, but they are against freedom of religion.  They require conditioning and re-education of the masses to accept their superior religion above all other religions.

I think you're grasping...but I'll patiently await your response...

achhh uggghhh whoosh that was tough,

thanks for your patience. (btw sparky, took about 4 mintes to respond)

[Dig]

Alright, her goes...

In the tech dept, I basically used the current world setting, with its current world systems.
We have some tech, but it's controlled by said elites.
A world of 'scientific technocracy' doesn't exist and cannot exist, for in order to reach that kind of end, logic would have to be embraced, through logic, resource abundance can be understood, through such resource understanding, we would have the means and the motivation to built the tech required for a truly tech-based world.

Still with me, Slugger?
Good.

Nope, that is bullshit.

All that needs to exist is a few that adher to it and depopulation/enslavement of the rest slugger.

BTW - you may not be up to speed on what technology is currently being used to achieve the NWO objectives, I recommend watching End Game and looking at the following boards on this forum with hundreds of threads of information:

The Microchip Agenda
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=301.0

Space Based Weapons Technology
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=293.0

Now then, you have me examples of agendas of individual logic, to which I returned plenty of examples to mirror the effect.
Which effect?

yeah which effect?

Well, I was hoping you'd get it, but that's alright, we're still only recently acquainted.

Holy crap, you are as condescending as Peter Joseph himself, are you his intern or something?

So, the effect was basically 'I can bring up a ton of examples of pseudo-logic too'.

oh, pseudo as opposed to real?  and you are the judge of absolute logic, and also the judge of pseudo. interesting.

Notice that hyphen.
Pseudo-logic.

Wow more condescending behaviour, more interesting...

Now, I'll break that down too...
Essentially I'm equating seperationist/supremecist logic to false logic.
In the same stroke, I'm supporting logic aimed toward improving the quality of life for EVERYONE as true logic.

That is very sweet of you, but that is not the way the people setting up this stuff are defining "logic."  A centralized system based on "religion", "logic", "spirituality", "earth-love", whatever will only be as non-corrupt as the ones in the center.

In other words the wallpaper around the matrix is used to attract (wether it be logic, religion, etc), then once inside the matrix, if it is centrally controlled, you are f-d.

Please keep up.

Could you get more condescending? Wait, don't answer that, I am sure I will soon find out.

So, where is that fertilizer you claimed?

I guess it is like water to the fish, since it seems you have been stuck in it so long, you probably do not even notice it.

Also, where is your solution to which I inquired?

solution to what?

[37]

Theosophy Overdrive...

Some things I have noticed.

There were a few people who recognized the first Zeitgeist movie as a work of Theosophical idealism.  Over one year later the sequel is released and features the one time "vessel of Maitreya" Jiddu Krishnamurti.  It would seem that Peter Joseph was acknowledging the assertion that he was a Theosophist.  Krishnamurti is still recognized by many Theosophists as a member of the "Spiritual Hierarchy". 

Three months later, Theosophist Ben Creme has gone active with his project.  Before Christmas he posted a press release in the WSJ that there would be a Christmas miracle.  A star would shine to herald the return of Maitreya.  His organization, Share International, purchased commercial time on CNN New Years Eve.

CNN and new bright stars in the sky...that sounds familiar.  Marshall Masters of Your Own World Books.  Masters was a science editor for CNN.  He now owns Your Own World Books, which mostly publishes Masters' fiction.  But it also sells the Planet X Forecast and 2012 Survival Guide written by Masters and several others.  YOWBooks also sells something called the Kolbrin Bible, which is supposedly a historical text which supports the whole Planet X belief.

Masters believes that Planet X will appear as a second sun in the sky.  Two suns is a central theme in Theosophy.  YOWBooks has a You Tube channel, where they have posted a five part series called "Surviving 2012 and Planet X".  In part 4(posted to YouTube 9/07) he says that the military will be called back to the US for active duty quelling civil unrest.  Coincidence?  He also talks about the government and military taking a chosen few below ground and leaving the rest to die on the surface.  In Part 5 Masters talks about after Planet X leaves.  He says that the survivors will come out and build a more perfect society based on...THE VENUS PROJECT!!

Whether or not the Venus Project is Theosophical is moot, they have been chosen to be used in these films because of their name.  Theosophists believe that Venus is another name for Lucifer.  And all theosophists love to put the devil into their works.  Blavatsky called her magazine Lucifer.  Bailey named her Trust and press Lucifer.  When he publicly "broke" with Theosophy, Krishnamurti told a parable about the devil and his ability to twist man's understanding of the truth.  This is what Luciferians do.  They take a kernel of truth and dip it in so much bullshit that it becomes unrecognizable.  They "spin" it to control the context.  We all know that the mainstream news sources do this.  They maintain the false reality.  CNN is just one example. 

Addendum is full of Theosophical symbolism, references and ideology.  AJ said that Peter Joseph is an alias because the guy works in television.  I would like to know if he works for Ted Turner.  There is a good possibility that a big scam is about to be perpetrated.  To me, it is starting to look like the eugenicists have constructed a big machine and the lights are beginning to flicker on. 


BTW...that comment about Constitutional government failing is bullshit.  It was corrupted, which the founders warned against.  The American people have failed, not their constitution.

And, The perfection of the US Constitution lies in the ability of the American People to change it when the need arises.  The existence of Amendments is proof of it's perfection, not vice versa.  And when was the last time we amended it, anyway?  If it sucks so bad, why haven't we changed it...legally?  Why haven't we formed groups to draft, promote, and support new Amendments?  Because we are lazy and stupid.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

As for communism, the world has never experienced a true communism anyway, since it's always been gripped by officials with ulterior motives, totalitarians, fascists and the like.
One could conclude a lot of things, but I'll not get into that, it's a long way down. :p

true communism?

how about true capitalism?

oh wait, capitalism's greedy, right? cus money's evil, as that mis-used saying goes.

but it'd be alright having communism so long as it was logical and run by the good guys?

im afraid you are quite caught up in this little day dream of yours, where everything's perfect because there's always plenty, that you've forgotten all about what's at stake, freedom. you'd no sooner have gained our freedom, than give it up again to a repackaged version of what we fought to escape.

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http://www.visionmagazine.com/archives/0901/mindstate_Maitreya.html

The World Teacher Maitreya’s Forecasts on Global Change
1/2/2009
by John McNabb

In these critical times of change, people all over the world await the return of their spiritual teacher, whether they know him as Christ, Messiah, the fifth Buddha, Krishna, or the Imam Mahdi.
Millions of people now believe that although the names are different, they all refer to the same individual, who is already living among us. Maitreya, the World Teacher, is not a religious leader, but an educator in the broadest sense. He is here to inspire us to create a new era based on sharing and justice, so that everyone may have the basic necessities of life: food, shelter, health care, and education.
Maitreya has not come alone, but with his group, the Masters of Wisdom. The Masters have long guided humanity from behind the scenes, but are returning now to the everyday world to help us solve our most critical global problems. Their role is similar to the faculty of a university—only their classroom includes all of humanity. Their purpose is to help us evolve.
This coming age marks the passage of humanity from its long-held materialistic focus to the spiritual path. Following are some of Maitreya’s viewpoints on our time and the future that were given through two associates who regularly attended talks given by Maitreya in London. The associates were separately interviewed between 1989 and 1993 to discuss Maitreya’s forecasts of events, which include the economic climate that we are now experiencing. 
The Economy
According to Maitreya, the proliferation of money contributes to the stress of modern life. When sufficiency, rather than the accumulation of money, becomes the priority, it orders society in a different way, creating stability. In this regard, sharing is both a moral value and a method of implementation. It will create a more peaceful atmosphere in which people will not struggle to make millions. They will fulfill their duties, care for their families, and children will be able to evolve. Maitreya says, “You have been given mind, spirit and body to express My Being and Becoming in thought, speech and action. Therefore, be honest in mind, be sincere in your spirit, and feed your physical body with the right food. Anyone who deprives you of these three things will fall into destruction.”
This explains why we are currently seeing record stock market lows, spikes in job losses and foreclosures, and major corporate bailouts by the U.S. federal government. After this crash, Maitreya predicts that the first duty of governments will be to feed people with the right food. Their second duty will be to ensure adequate housing. Health and education will be the next priorities. Investment along these lines in other parts of the world will follow, and lastly comes defense. In short, the crash will lead to a reordering of priorities. The redistribution of resources rather than wealth creation is the key.
Pure capitalism has no future whatsoever. Market forces are the forces of wickedness, confusion and chaos. They create only competition and comparison, leading to concepts of “mine” and “more,” and there is no end to it. In the future, market forces will not be in charge of social consciousness. It is social consciousness which will guide market forces.
Politics
Power politics will give way to the values of food, shelter and protection. This will spread all over the world. Socialism and capitalism will converge. They are the two wheels which are essential; politics cannot function with only one wheel.


This doesn't sound too much like Addendum...    Redistribution of resources is Venus Project.  Money causes stress is Peter Joseph's sermon.




Mai-treya!

[Lev_Nougol]

Nope, that is bullshit.

All that needs to exist is a few that adher to it and depopulation/enslavement of the rest slugger.

BTW - you may not be up to speed on what technology is currently being used to achieve the NWO objectives, I recommend watching End Game and looking at the following boards on this forum with hundreds of threads of information:

The Microchip Agenda
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=301.0

Space Based Weapons Technology
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=293.0

yeah which effect?

Holy crap, you are as condescending as Peter Joseph himself, are you his intern or something?

oh, pseudo as opposed to real?  and you are the judge of absolute logic, and also the judge of pseudo. interesting.

Wow more condescending behaviour, more interesting...

That is very sweet of you, but that is not the way the people setting up this stuff are defining "logic."  A centralized system based on "religion", "logic", "spirituality", "earth-love", whatever will only be as non-corrupt as the ones in the center.

In other words the wallpaper around the matrix is used to attract (wether it be logic, religion, etc), then once inside the matrix, if it is centrally controlled, you are f-d.

Could you get more condescending? Wait, don't answer that, I am sure I will soon find out.

I guess it is like water to the fish, since it seems you have been stuck in it so long, you probably do not even notice it.

solution to what?

Okay, looks like I have several replies to make, so I'll try to keep it brief...

Firstly, Sane, the first part of the post, which you responded to, was for doktorschnabelvonrom.
Nevertheless, it seems you're just-so-eager to...I dunno...put me in my place maybe?
I'm not too worried about it, to be honest.

However, on to the second bit.
So, I see you are also so eager to dismiss anything I say as either bullshit or trolling.
It's great to know that you're so open-minded that we can have an intelligent discussion from differing viewpoints.

You also seem to believe that mankind is inherently evil, in that if any sort of system geared toward a logic of improving the quality of life for the world or whatever, someone is going to grab the reigns and use it for themself.

You keep going on about the so-called 'Satanic' systems and groups.
As I've said, people have a right to belief what they will, but there is a point where it gets ridiculous.
I have to say though, by this point, I'm not sure if you're overly-paranoid, overly-arrogant or both.

I actually was hoping you'd get the point I was making, so no, that's not condescending.
Nor with the hyphen bit, which you obviously got the gist of since you commented about my 'authority' on the matter.
Anyway, I'll go ahead and explain how that works.

First, we run on basic functions geared toward survival.
Not much logic required there.
Then, as we learn and grow as people and as a species, it becomes logical to find ways to improve the quality of our lives, first through resource-bearing technology, such as agriculture.
The logic lies in constant improvements in tech, revolving around resources, so as to keep the quality of life on an upswing.

Earlier on, barter was logical so that we could access resources that were otherwise beyond our reach, and thus various currency were a logical step in the right direction.
However, when technology advances to the point that resources are of enough abundance that everyone can thrive, without the need of trade, this is when currency should exit the picture.

What halts that last logical step is a myriad of complications.
Most of this comes back to the elites keeping everyone confused, afraid, etc, so that said elites continue to profit.
Thus, the next logical step in this is to wake people up, educate them, free them from their societal imprinting.
What keeps everyone confused and afraid?
The Media, Religion, Politics, filtered schooling...

Hey, and for kicks, why not give them symbols in the form of a name so as to keep the fear and paranoia strong.
Take as many negative aspects of human behavior as possible and attach a moniker.
Communism, Al-Qaeda, NWO, Satan...The Boogeyman...

The fear and hate grow and fester, and everyone stays divided, everyone stays on bended knees.
It keeps them from being able to unify and rise up against the system.

Guess who falls right into the middle of the grand scheme?
That's right, Sport.
You, me, and everyone else at the bottom of the totem pole.
Bickering, finger-pointing, ball-breaking, generally a pissing competition.
The funny part is, all we do is manage to piss on ourselves, because we lack direction, since we don't agree, and hell, some of us won't even agree to disagree.
All we accomplish is more division.

You know what else?
The 'NWO' doesn't even need to implant us with microchips yet, since we're still so far from getting truly organized.

In the logic/resource/tech system, obviously the foundation would have to be unpolluted.
Otherwise it would only fall apart long before fruition.

Solution to what?
To the world's problems.
Surely you have a solution, yes?

Okay, looks like my intentions of keeping it brief just aren't happening.
On to the next...

Theosophy Overdrive...

Some things I have noticed.

There were a few people who recognized the first Zeitgeist movie as a work of Theosophical idealism.  Over one year later the sequel is released and features the one time "vessel of Maitreya" Jiddu Krishnamurti.  It would seem that Peter Joseph was acknowledging the assertion that he was a Theosophist.  Krishnamurti is still recognized by many Theosophists as a member of the "Spiritual Hierarchy". 

Three months later, Theosophist Ben Creme has gone active with his project.  Before Christmas he posted a press release in the WSJ that there would be a Christmas miracle.  A star would shine to herald the return of Maitreya.  His organization, Share International, purchased commercial time on CNN New Years Eve.

CNN and new bright stars in the sky...that sounds familiar.  Marshall Masters of Your Own World Books.  Masters was a science editor for CNN.  He now owns Your Own World Books, which mostly publishes Masters' fiction.  But it also sells the Planet X Forecast and 2012 Survival Guide written by Masters and several others.  YOWBooks also sells something called the Kolbrin Bible, which is supposedly a historical text which supports the whole Planet X belief.

Masters believes that Planet X will appear as a second sun in the sky.  Two suns is a central theme in Theosophy.  YOWBooks has a You Tube channel, where they have posted a five part series called "Surviving 2012 and Planet X".  In part 4(posted to YouTube 9/07) he says that the military will be called back to the US for active duty quelling civil unrest.  Coincidence?  He also talks about the government and military taking a chosen few below ground and leaving the rest to die on the surface.  In Part 5 Masters talks about after Planet X leaves.  He says that the survivors will come out and build a more perfect society based on...THE VENUS PROJECT!!

Whether or not the Venus Project is Theosophical is moot, they have been chosen to be used in these films because of their name.  Theosophists believe that Venus is another name for Lucifer.  And all theosophists love to put the devil into their works.  Blavatsky called her magazine Lucifer.  Bailey named her Trust and press Lucifer.  When he publicly "broke" with Theosophy, Krishnamurti told a parable about the devil and his ability to twist man's understanding of the truth.  This is what Luciferians do.  They take a kernel of truth and dip it in so much bullshit that it becomes unrecognizable.  They "spin" it to control the context.  We all know that the mainstream news sources do this.  They maintain the false reality.  CNN is just one example. 

Addendum is full of Theosophical symbolism, references and ideology.  AJ said that Peter Joseph is an alias because the guy works in television.  I would like to know if he works for Ted Turner.  There is a good possibility that a big scam is about to be perpetrated.  To me, it is starting to look like the eugenicists have constructed a big machine and the lights are beginning to flicker on. 


BTW...that comment about Constitutional government failing is bullshit.  It was corrupted, which the founders warned against.  The American people have failed, not their constitution.

And, The perfection of the US Constitution lies in the ability of the American People to change it when the need arises.  The existence of Amendments is proof of it's perfection, not vice versa.  And when was the last time we amended it, anyway?  If it sucks so bad, why haven't we changed it...legally?  Why haven't we formed groups to draft, promote, and support new Amendments?  Because we are lazy and stupid.

Okay, right out the the gate, a great deal of Theosophic concepts are synonymous with general spiritual philosophy.
I'm not sure I can give a great deal of merit to your angle on that, but I do see where the similarities lay, thus I see your point.

Alright, 2 things on down.
If we are already working on The Venus Project, then whatever is supposed to happen in 2012 would be something else.
If it isn't worked on, and this 2012 thing happens, then I guess prophecies are true, Santa Clause is real, and no matter what we do, we can't overrule whatever force keeps those people in power.
I'd rather have a couple of degrees more hope than that. :p

Second, it's called The Venus Project because it's in Venus, Florida.

Plus, I don't see what the big deal is.
Sun-god, son of God, Jesus.
Venus, morning star, Lucifer.
It's all astrology any way you turn it.

Hey, don't get me wrong, celestial bodies do have an affect on the Earth, but I think people are reading too much into it...
So, anyway, where were we?

The gov was nearly outmoded the day it was assembled.
Now it's completely obsolete, same as money, same as mythology, and so on.
Still, just as people cling to one of them, they cling to all.


Hmm...I'm not sure about the power of the people to amend the constitution anymore, and I'm not even sure it has to do with lazy and stupid.
I think it has to do with paranoia and complacency.
Still, there are some that are lazy, and some that are ignorant too. :p

Okay, I think I have all of that covered now.

On to the next.

true communism?

how about true capitalism?

oh wait, capitalism's greedy, right? cus money's evil, as that mis-used saying goes.

but it'd be alright having communism so long as it was logical and run by the good guys?

im afraid you are quite caught up in this little day dream of yours, where everything's perfect because there's always plenty, that you've forgotten all about what's at stake, freedom. you'd no sooner have gained our freedom, than give it up again to a repackaged version of what we fought to escape.

Well, I hate to quote sources, but I'm tired, so I hope you don't mind...

"Communism is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general. Karl Marx posited that communism would be the final stage in human society, following a socialist stage, which would be achieved through a proletarian revolution. "Pure communism" in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life."

and

"Capitalism is an economic system in which wealth, and the means of producing wealth, are privately owned and controlled rather than publicly or state-owned and controlled. In capitalism, the land, labor, capital and all other resources, are owned, operated and traded by private individuals or corporations for the purpose of profit, and where investments, distribution, income, production, pricing and supply of goods, commodities and services are primarily determined by private decision in a market economy largely free of government intervention. A distinguishing feature of capitalism is that each person owns his or her own labor and therefore is allowed to sell the use of it to employers. In capitalism, private rights and property relations are protected by the rule of law of a limited regulatory framework. In the modern capitalist state, legislative action is confined to defining and enforcing the basic rules of the market, though the state may provide some public goods and infrastructure. Laissez-faire capitalism, which some consider to be "pure capitalism" is said to have never existed in practice."

also

"Laissez-faire is a term used to describe a policy of allowing events to take their own course with minimal intervention. The term is a French phrase literally meaning Let do (“allow to do”).
The term is often used to refer to various economic philosophies and political philosophies which are characterized by minimal government intervention in most or all aspects of society."

Yes, that's all from Wikipedia.
Anyway...

I'm not saying that 'pure communism' is the answer, nor 'pure capitalism'.
These are political.
What I'm supporting is the idea of a non-political system, in the best interests of mankind, built on logic, resources and tech.
Not a 'technocracy' where a man behind the curtain makes the decisions, but a fully autonomous technological system that calculates needs, produces resources, and supplies them in abundance for everyone, based on Earth-yield and human consumption.

I also never said money was 'evil', nor implied it.
It's simply no longer relevant.

Further, there is no 'perfect' in an emergent form of life.
There is no 'end-all solution'.
All we can do is continue to improve and update how we do things, before old methods becomes outdated.
Roll with the times, as they say.

Yes, there would be plenty, for it would be produced all the time, on limitless, free energy.
Why not?

This IS about freedom, REAL freedom, not the illusions sold by politicians and the elite.
I also accept that you may disagree with it, but if you have a better idea, by all means, I would genuinely love to hear it.

That goes for all of you.

Okay, so I'm sorry this became Postzilla, but I do hope I covered everything.


~Lev

[Lev_Nougol]

http://www.visionmagazine.com/archives/0901/mindstate_Maitreya.html

The World Teacher Maitreya’s Forecasts on Global Change
1/2/2009
by John McNabb

In these critical times of change, people all over the world await the return of their spiritual teacher, whether they know him as Christ, Messiah, the fifth Buddha, Krishna, or the Imam Mahdi.
Millions of people now believe that although the names are different, they all refer to the same individual, who is already living among us. Maitreya, the World Teacher, is not a religious leader, but an educator in the broadest sense. He is here to inspire us to create a new era based on sharing and justice, so that everyone may have the basic necessities of life: food, shelter, health care, and education.
Maitreya has not come alone, but with his group, the Masters of Wisdom. The Masters have long guided humanity from behind the scenes, but are returning now to the everyday world to help us solve our most critical global problems. Their role is similar to the faculty of a university—only their classroom includes all of humanity. Their purpose is to help us evolve.
This coming age marks the passage of humanity from its long-held materialistic focus to the spiritual path. Following are some of Maitreya’s viewpoints on our time and the future that were given through two associates who regularly attended talks given by Maitreya in London. The associates were separately interviewed between 1989 and 1993 to discuss Maitreya’s forecasts of events, which include the economic climate that we are now experiencing. 
The Economy
According to Maitreya, the proliferation of money contributes to the stress of modern life. When sufficiency, rather than the accumulation of money, becomes the priority, it orders society in a different way, creating stability. In this regard, sharing is both a moral value and a method of implementation. It will create a more peaceful atmosphere in which people will not struggle to make millions. They will fulfill their duties, care for their families, and children will be able to evolve. Maitreya says, “You have been given mind, spirit and body to express My Being and Becoming in thought, speech and action. Therefore, be honest in mind, be sincere in your spirit, and feed your physical body with the right food. Anyone who deprives you of these three things will fall into destruction.”
This explains why we are currently seeing record stock market lows, spikes in job losses and foreclosures, and major corporate bailouts by the U.S. federal government. After this crash, Maitreya predicts that the first duty of governments will be to feed people with the right food. Their second duty will be to ensure adequate housing. Health and education will be the next priorities. Investment along these lines in other parts of the world will follow, and lastly comes defense. In short, the crash will lead to a reordering of priorities. The redistribution of resources rather than wealth creation is the key.
Pure capitalism has no future whatsoever. Market forces are the forces of wickedness, confusion and chaos. They create only competition and comparison, leading to concepts of “mine” and “more,” and there is no end to it. In the future, market forces will not be in charge of social consciousness. It is social consciousness which will guide market forces.
Politics
Power politics will give way to the values of food, shelter and protection. This will spread all over the world. Socialism and capitalism will converge. They are the two wheels which are essential; politics cannot function with only one wheel.


This doesn't sound too much like Addendum...    Redistribution of resources is Venus Project.  Money causes stress is Peter Joseph's sermon.




Mai-treya!

Well, I agree with the basic ideology, but I don't buy the bit about some so-called 'Masters'.
As I said, I'm not a Theosophist. :p


~Lev

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Well, I agree with the basic ideology, but I don't buy the bit about some so-called 'Masters'.
As I said, I'm not a Theosophist. :p


~Lev

Okay...you're a non-practicing theosophist.  You agree with the ideology but don't participate in the rituals, or recognize the dogma.

I am pointing out to the other people who have posted or viewed(25,000+views, BTW) this thread that Peter Joseph is definitely a theosophist.  And right now theosophy is running the full court press.  How much did it cost Share International to advertise on CNN on New Years Eve?  How much did they pay WSJ for this article?

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Share-International-Reveals-Christmas-Miracle/story.aspx?guid={9A9C5B6B-E962-411A-B219-B5A559182416}


You just seem to be someone who buys into all of the new age ideas...no offense.  The stuff that TV sells when the commercials aren't on. 
And I think that is exactly the target audience of the Zeitgeist Operation. 

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Okay, right out the the gate, a great deal of Theosophic concepts are synonymous with general spiritual philosophy.
I'm not sure I can give a great deal of merit to your angle on that, but I do see where the similarities lay, thus I see your point.

Alright, 2 things on down.
If we are already working on The Venus Project, then whatever is supposed to happen in 2012 would be something else.
If it isn't worked on, and this 2012 thing happens, then I guess prophecies are true, Santa Clause is real, and no matter what we do, we can't overrule whatever force keeps those people in power.
I'd rather have a couple of degrees more hope than that. :p

WTF??  That just makes almost no sense in regard to what I posted.

Second, it's called The Venus Project because it's in Venus, Florida.

As I pointed out in my post, it is irrelevant why they call themselves the Venus Project.  The name Venus is why Peter Joseph and Marshall Masters have chosen to focus on them.  Good job on changing my point...you are gifted.

Plus, I don't see what the big deal is.
Sun-god, son of God, Jesus.
Venus, morning star, Lucifer.
It's all astrology any way you turn it.

Hey, don't get me wrong, celestial bodies do have an affect on the Earth, but I think people are reading too much into it...
So, anyway, where were we?

I don't talk about astrology anywhere in my post, so where this tangent comes from is unknown.

The gov was nearly outmoded the day it was assembled.
Now it's completely obsolete, same as money, same as mythology, and so on.
Still, just as people cling to one of them, they cling to all.

Opinion based on conjecture and completely unsupported by fact.

Hmm...I'm not sure about the power of the people to amend the constitution anymore, and I'm not even sure it has to do with lazy and stupid.
I think it has to do with paranoia and complacency.
Still, there are some that are lazy, and some that are ignorant too. :p

Okay, I think I have all of that covered now.

If by covered you mean completely twisted and irrelevant, then yes you have it covered.

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Lev, I really appreciate all the personal fascination you have with me and my "eagerness."  I feel special. But when you actually would like to offer something of substance (evidence, sourced information, logical arguments, rational thought), feel free to post here.

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

On to the next.

Well, I hate to quote sources, but I'm tired, so I hope you don't mind...

"Communism is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general. Karl Marx posited that communism would be the final stage in human society, following a socialist stage, which would be achieved through a proletarian revolution. "Pure communism" in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life."

and

"Capitalism is an economic system in which wealth, and the means of producing wealth, are privately owned and controlled rather than publicly or state-owned and controlled. In capitalism, the land, labor, capital and all other resources, are owned, operated and traded by private individuals or corporations for the purpose of profit, and where investments, distribution, income, production, pricing and supply of goods, commodities and services are primarily determined by private decision in a market economy largely free of government intervention. A distinguishing feature of capitalism is that each person owns his or her own labor and therefore is allowed to sell the use of it to employers. In capitalism, private rights and property relations are protected by the rule of law of a limited regulatory framework. In the modern capitalist state, legislative action is confined to defining and enforcing the basic rules of the market, though the state may provide some public goods and infrastructure. Laissez-faire capitalism, which some consider to be "pure capitalism" is said to have never existed in practice."

also

"Laissez-faire is a term used to describe a policy of allowing events to take their own course with minimal intervention. The term is a French phrase literally meaning Let do (“allow to do”).
The term is often used to refer to various economic philosophies and political philosophies which are characterized by minimal government intervention in most or all aspects of society."

Yes, that's all from Wikipedia.
Anyway...

I'm not saying that 'pure communism' is the answer, nor 'pure capitalism'.
These are political.
What I'm supporting is the idea of a non-political system, in the best interests of mankind, built on logic, resources and tech.
Not a 'technocracy' where a man behind the curtain makes the decisions, but a fully autonomous technological system that calculates needs, produces resources, and supplies them in abundance for everyone, based on Earth-yield and human consumption.



~Lev

well, first, thank you for pointing out the flaws of wikipedia, and its obviously controlled output, in fact, those two descriptions aid in another way as well, in showing that communism is based on the end (as in goal) and vaguely touches upon the means if only to offer an idea of utopia whereby the reaching of the end produces the environment for the correct means, like benevolent leaders for instance.

its all very well banding about nice sounding catchphrases, like "in the best interests of mankind", but these implied decisions, or the implied power, you say, is going to placed in the loving care of either a computer or some other pre-determined (by whom i might add) system that negates the responsibility, and thus rights, of the individual. this is dangerous folly in my view, as is communism, socialism, collectivism.

i would offer that capitalism is much more than the right of private property, it is a basis for the interaction of soveriegn human beings, it holds that all human beings are equal, and thus sovereign, the moral principle of do unto others is how i best describe it. it is clear to see where capitalism has been abused, by whom, and when, and how. yet it is these abuses that are peddled as the flaws of capitalism when it has taken great evil for them to occur. it is not the fault of its own devices that we face the nwo, capitalism, and as such individual sovereignty is a relatively new idea in the history known to us, the nwo came long before, and has taken an awful lot of manipulation to get us past it, where before would have been simply open force and naked aggression.

i agree to the potential of free energy, but i disagree to you wishing to lose responsibility for your life.