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Does anyone have a Windows Media Link of this interview??
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Your argument is all wrong here. Every article and event you reference here, which is also the time period you label as "his heyday" is from the time prior to his dissolution of the order of the star. The latest date on any of these articles is the one reporting on him breaking up the order and confusing the followers. Up until this point, his life and his image was the product of the psychotic Theosophists, feeding him with the idea he needs to be possessed by the Maitreya spirit and evidently utilizing access to large newspapers to build this hype of the world christ. Then Krishnamurti became Krishnamurti, he realized it was all total bull and that it could help no one, dissolved his following (the organization) and went his own way. All of his work (books, lectures, etc...) comes AFTER he CHANGED and BROKE AWAY. His work is very much the antithesis of Theosophy and so many other "prison religions", cults, dogma's, etc... His work is more like deprogramming, having you examine yourself to see it for yourself. Catabolic. His Heyday began with the "truth is a pathless land" speech, and continues pretty strong still, as far as I can tell, and the whole time the central focus has been totally against what he was built up to be by the Theosophical society. |
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Venus (pronounced /ˈviːnəs/ (help·info)) is the second-closest planet to the Sun, orbiting it every 224.7 Earth days. The planet is named after Venus, the Roman goddess of love. It is the brightest natural object in the night sky, except for the Moon, reaching an apparent magnitude of −4.6. Because Venus is an inferior planet from Earth, it never appears to venture far from the Sun: its elongation reaches a maximum of 47.8°. Venus reaches its maximum brightness shortly before sunrise or shortly after sunset, for which reason it is often called the Morning Star or the Evening Star.
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It's really quite beautiful, gemlike in the morning sky. Too bad all these idiot astrologers and astro-theologians throughout history have created this situation where so much opprobrium and desire is heaped on this hunka-hunka-burning rock.  Venus (pronounced /ˈviːnəs/ (help·info)) is the second-closest planet to the Sun, orbiting it every 224.7 Earth days. The planet is named after Venus, the Roman goddess of love. It is the brightest natural object in the night sky, except for the Moon, reaching an apparent magnitude of −4.6. Because Venus is an inferior planet from Earth, it never appears to venture far from the Sun: its elongation reaches a maximum of 47.8°. Venus reaches its maximum brightness shortly before sunrise or shortly after sunset, for which reason it is often called the Morning Star or the Evening Star.
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« Reply #1727 on: October 21, 2008, 11:25:17 AM » |
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« Reply #1728 on: October 21, 2008, 11:29:30 AM » |
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« Reply #1729 on: October 21, 2008, 12:00:15 PM » |
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PJ: "There is no enforcement, it is based on the understandings and education of what this planet is, who you actually are. That is why I go after religion. Because religion is the biggest, most offensive element...systematic institution that there is. You cannot have a whole group of people believing in something that stops their intellectual growth. Does that mean they need to be eradicated? Of course not...THEY NEED TO BE RE-EDUCATED."
Sane, I think you should re-listen to that part again. Its obvious he says, "they need to be educated". You seem to have added in "Re". As far as I remember, he never said "re-educated". He said "re-conditioned in some way", as a possibility if someone was frozen and put in this society in a 1000 years. Alex added in "re-educated." It's pretty funny you guys are analyzing his every word or phrase in the interview. Imagine if we did that to Alex. Just the other day, he was freaking out about when Perkins said "god's spirit", claiming it was promoting religion. And Alex kept saying that ZA promotes the "world christ", but I guess he "forgot" to mention that the guy denounced it and theosophy years ago. He kept saying these talking points about 10 times in like 20 minutes. It was disgusting. But have any of you actually read the book this type of society is based on - "The Best That Money Can't Buy"? Try that before you jump to all these ridiculous conclusions. Anyway here's what Zeitgeist says about all this, which sounds about right. " (2) There has been some Internet speculation that the Zeitgeist movies promote satanism, the occult and the new world order. What is your response to this?This information has been coming out from various sources and we feel that to respond in a detailed way is to make it seem like the arguments are based on something worth considering. From our review, these ideas are pure projections. In other words, people are seeing things that are not there and building arguments based on a gross misinterpretation in order to fit their agendas or world views. We are very happy to have any group criticize the films, as that is why they are there. However, we hope people keep an objective perspective and think for themselves, as opposed to believing an internet article or some radio talk show host. Information is just information and it is up to you and you alone to consider its value and purpose." And Rock, yes I would be honored to be a part of your talking point list. See you guys March 15. Z-troll out. |
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« Reply #1733 on: October 21, 2008, 03:10:11 PM » |
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Venus Project = Santa Clause
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« Reply #1734 on: October 21, 2008, 03:24:41 PM » |
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« Reply #1735 on: October 21, 2008, 04:07:05 PM » |
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« Reply #1736 on: October 21, 2008, 04:22:54 PM » |
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« Reply #1737 on: October 21, 2008, 04:24:23 PM » |
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All systems are tyranny. Spiritual and Governmental Anarchy. Responsible people can Govern themselves.
What would be done with all of the irresponsible people though? There are billions of them. Maybe even 90% of the world & they'd be messing up our responsible lives... Hey! Maybe we could unite and knock'em all off... they wouldn't know what's coming... Give'm more sports & sitcoms and WHACK! Hmmm? Ummm... wait a sec!?  |
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What would be done with all of the irresponsible people though? There are billions of them. Maybe even 90% of the world & they'd be messing up our responsible lives... Hey! Maybe we could unite and knock'em all off... they wouldn't know what's coming... Give'm more sports & sitcoms and WHACK! Hmmm? Ummm... wait a sec!? it sounds like a fair idea....isn't that what the NWO plan is..? damn!!! they are getting to me hahaha. |
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« Reply #1741 on: October 21, 2008, 06:50:00 PM » |
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They were trampled by tyrannical government.
And what is tyrannical government? It's not an entity.......it's 'irresponsible' men who want to rule over others, grab their land, etc, right? Back to square one. Again. (human beings) That's what makes the Venus project so funny. |
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« Reply #1744 on: October 21, 2008, 11:35:28 PM » |
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I'm fans of both these peoples works, and feel they both aim towards the same goal... freedom. However after watching the 5 part interview on youtube, and some other commentary, I'm pretty upset. The interview was hardly an interview at all. Alex spent half his time yelling and making absurd comments, even stating that Peter thought he was a pot smoking alien above everyone else. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Don't get me wrong, I respect Alex as one of our most valued individuals, but I have to type this out. What I saw in this interview was horrible behaivor on his part. Whether or not you like Peter Joseph or his film is irrelavent. This isn't a Alex vs. Joseph thread, and neither was this interview. Someone please tell me these interviews were edited, because Alex's "professionalism" was down right shameful. Please watch and comment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y83cEzFWa_8I was very dissapointed in what could have been a very intellectual interview, which it somewhat was due to Joseph patience (I know I couldn't stand to be yelled at like he was). Please watch the whole thing and comment. I think Alex should have him back on for an apology and a real interview. One about Joseph's concepts, not Alex's... I respect his but I know where he stands. |
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« Reply #1745 on: October 21, 2008, 11:39:49 PM » |
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yea he could have given him more time to speak. But alex jones isn't perfect and neither is peter joseph... It was regrettable but whatever. I mean Alex jones and Bill Cooper didn't get along for christ sakes and Bill Cooper was the authority(IMHO) on the new world order and the illuminati, so shit happens.
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I watched that on youtube but you have to pay close attention Alex was telling the guy you have the floor and he wanted to engauge Alex and Peter sounds all to nwo for my taste and the venus project if you look close at the symbolism my first thought was new world order. I know how mad you can get when trying to talk to someone so monotone like they are the leading authority on all things.
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« Reply #1747 on: October 22, 2008, 09:52:39 AM » |
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yea he could have given him more time to speak. But alex jones isn't perfect and neither is peter joseph... It was regrettable but whatever. I mean Alex jones and Bill Cooper didn't get along for christ sakes and Bill Cooper was the authority(IMHO) on the new world order and the illuminati, so shit happens.
Your comparison here is a little over the top actually, I mean the idea that Alex's disagreements with Peter Joseph, somehow compares to those he had with Bill Cooper... soup and nuts actually... You have to remember, that most of Bill Cooper's experience with Alex Jones, was with the young mainline conservative Alex Jones back in the mid to late 90's... most of the stuff that Alex knows now he did not believe until well after Oklahoma City, and gradually increasing until when he realized that Bill Cooper's prediction of a major false flag by 2001 was assured... I was a fan of Bill Cooper's from the early 90s, and I agree with you that he was THE authority on the NWO. Anyone who listened to Bill, knows exactly why, during those early years, Bill had disagreements with Alex... Alex was the upstart, Alex was the one who didn't know, Alex thought people who saw black helicopters were kooks... but Alex Jones doesn't think that now, and Bill Cooper and Alex Jones, if Bill were still alive, would be fast friends, and we would be hearing Bill on the radio show once a month or so... you could bet on it. So in this case Alex has taken the position of Bill Cooper... and Peter Joseph would be the still untutored... In any case, whether Peter Joseph is open to the understanding and realizations that Alex tried to instill... well that's up to Peter Joseph. One thing for certain, in the interactions between Bill Cooper and Alex Jones back in the late 90s, Alex Jones never presumed superiority of intellect over William Cooper... you might keep that in mind. JTCoyoté “We are under martial law folks, it's just what degree
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I'm fans of both these peoples works, and feel they both aim towards the same goal... freedom. However after watching the 5 part interview on youtube, and some other commentary, I'm pretty upset. The interview was hardly an interview at all. Alex spent half his time yelling and making absurd comments, even stating that Peter thought he was a pot smoking alien above everyone else. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Don't get me wrong, I respect Alex as one of our most valued individuals, but I have to type this out. What I saw in this interview was horrible behaivor on his part. Whether or not you like Peter Joseph or his film is irrelavent. This isn't a Alex vs. Joseph thread, and neither was this interview. Someone please tell me these interviews were edited, because Alex's "professionalism" was down right shameful. Please watch and comment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y83cEzFWa_8I was very dissapointed in what could have been a very intellectual interview, which it somewhat was due to Joseph patience (I know I couldn't stand to be yelled at like he was). Please watch the whole thing and comment. I think Alex should have him back on for an apology and a real interview. One about Joseph's concepts, not Alex's... I respect his but I know where he stands. Please explain what the hell you are talking about. PJ got in about 10x as many words as Alex did. It was basically an opportunity to state his Z-Day, Z-Mania, Luciferian Venus Apocalyptic New World Order agenda. And Peter Joseph did exactly that. I apologize that it is now abundantly apparent that ZA is simply an attempt to gather naive people into accepting a luciferian religious dictatorship. I further apologize that AJ seems to be the one who exposed it all for the world to see. Time for carousel. |
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Sane, I think you should re-listen to that part again. Its obvious he says, "they need to be educated". You seem to have added in "Re". As far as I remember, he never said "re-educated". He said "re-conditioned in some way", as a possibility if someone was frozen and put in this society in a 1000 years. Alex added in "re-educated."
It's pretty funny you guys are analyzing his every word or phrase in the interview. Imagine if we did that to Alex. Just the other day, he was freaking out about when Perkins said "god's spirit", claiming it was promoting religion. And Alex kept saying that ZA promotes the "world christ", but I guess he "forgot" to mention that the guy denounced it and theosophy years ago. He kept saying these talking points about 10 times in like 20 minutes. It was disgusting.
But have any of you actually read the book this type of society is based on - "The Best That Money Can't Buy"? Try that before you jump to all these ridiculous conclusions. Anyway here's what Zeitgeist says about all this, which sounds about right.
"(2) There has been some Internet speculation that the Zeitgeist movies promote satanism, the occult and the new world order. What is your response to this?
This information has been coming out from various sources and we feel that to respond in a detailed way is to make it seem like the arguments are based on something worth considering. From our review, these ideas are pure projections. In other words, people are seeing things that are not there and building arguments based on a gross misinterpretation in order to fit their agendas or world views. We are very happy to have any group criticize the films, as that is why they are there. However, we hope people keep an objective perspective and think for themselves, as opposed to believing an internet article or some radio talk show host. Information is just information and it is up to you and you alone to consider its value and purpose."
And Rock, yes I would be honored to be a part of your talking point list.
See you guys March 15. Z-troll out.
Have fun at carousel. Will you guys be sacrificing any goats to the morning star? Will there be an initiation involving crucifiction and resurrection? Will everyone be wearing their Prada Z-Cloaks? Will Todd Rudgren be the musical guest? (Actually the event should be a good way of finding out who is a hard core NWO closet theosophy blatasky, pike, bailey luciferian. Just like the BS global warming Al Gore concert exposed the Rothschild/Maurice Strong/Bono bullshit) ============================ INITIATION Initiation (Theosophy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiation_(Theosophy)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaInitiation is a concept in Theosophy that there are nine levels of spiritual development. According to Alice A. Bailey, Initiation is the "process of undergoing an expansion [toward higher levels of] consciousness" [1] It is believed by Theosophists that all souls that reincarnate (that includes everyone) gradually evolve upward through these levels of consciousness over millions of years, although evil acts may cause bad karma which may cause one to temporarily regress.Contents The vast majority of ordinary humanity lies on the probationary path (below the first initiation). First initiation ("birth" to the spiritual life)According to Alice A. Bailey, at the first initiation one gains full control of the physical body. [2] Second initiation ("baptism")Alice A. Bailey states that at the second initiation, one gains full control of the astral body. [3] Third initiation ("the transfiguration")An individual who is at the level of the third initiation has acquired fully developed clairvoyance and clairaudience. [4] Fourth initiation ("the crucifixion")An individual reaching the fourth initiation is known as the perfected one, or an Arhat (Pali) or a Paramahansa (Sanskrit). Symbolically the fourth initiation is denoted as the crucifixion initiation. An Arhat is supposed to be one who does not need to be incarnated again to develop. Fifth initiation ("the resurrection")The fifth initiation, called the resurrection, comprises beings designated as Masters of the Wisdom or Ascended masters. According to both Alice A. Bailey and Benjamin Creme, there are a total of 52 beings at this level of initiation. Sixth initiation ("the ascension" or "masterhood")The Chohans (Lords) of the Seven Rays - El Morya,Master Kuthumi, Paul the Venetian, Serapis Bey, Master Hilarion, Master Jesus and the Master Rakoczi - are seven of the beings at the level of the sixth initiation, while Djwal Khul is another. Seventh initiation ("bodhisattva" , "avatar", or "christhood")The seventh initiation is known as the initiation of the Bodhisattava (Buddhism)or the Avatar (Hinduism). The Maitreya or World Teacher (known as Krishna by Hindus, the Christ by Christians, Maitreya by Buddhists, Messiah by the Jews, the Iman Mahdi by Muslims, and the Peshotan by the Zoroastrians) is at this level. At this level also are said to be the Manu and the Mahachohan. [5] Eighth initiation ("buddhahood")Level eight is the level of the Buddha. Ninth initiation ("godhood")Level nine is the "Lord of the World": Sanat Kumara - the "Ancient of Days", believed by Theosophists to be the governing deity of Earth. Tenth initiation ("planetary logos")The tenth initiation is considered to symbolize perfection and is used to describe the Planetary Logos. Initiation in popular culture Music In 1975, Todd Rundgren released an album titled Initiation which has a song called "Initiation" on side one. The title of the album is apparently based on the Theosophical concept of Initiation as taught by Alice A. Bailey and C.W. Leadbeater. The entire second side of the album is taken up by a song called "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire"; the three parts of the song are listed as: "I. The Internal Fire, or Fire by Friction; II. The Fire of Spirit, or Electric Fire; The Fire of Mind, or Solar Fire." The second parts of these three phrases are taken directly from Alice A. Bailey's book A Treatise on Cosmic Fire. |
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three persons present who believed in the truth of what was set down.
If there were, it was on account of their ignorance."
J. M. Roberts, "Antiquity Unveiled", 1892
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« Reply #1753 on: October 22, 2008, 06:16:46 PM » |
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A government is not men , it is a machine comprised of figureheads that represent corporate interests. No government will ever be comprised of MEN. Actual men cannot be successfully governed by any entity outside of themselves and their own will. Men will submit , perhaps appear to be governed , alas it will always be force and fear as long as systems rather than freedoms are the dominant view.
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #1754 on: October 22, 2008, 06:56:03 PM » |
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Sarcasm , I get it. So I have been consistent if nothing else..eh?
Absolutely fellow freedom fighter! |
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #1755 on: October 22, 2008, 07:56:42 PM » |
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Damn that was good dude!
Thanks Freeski. |
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"I do not believe that there were, at the Council of Nicea,
three persons present who believed in the truth of what was set down.
If there were, it was on account of their ignorance."
J. M. Roberts, "Antiquity Unveiled", 1892
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« Reply #1756 on: October 23, 2008, 05:25:55 AM » |
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Your comparison here is a little over the top actually, I mean the idea that Alex's disagreements with Peter Joseph, somehow compares to those he had with Bill Cooper... soup and nuts actually...
You have to remember, that most of Bill Cooper's experience with Alex Jones, was with the young mainline conservative Alex Jones back in the mid to late 90's... most of the stuff that Alex knows now he did not believe until well after Oklahoma City, and gradually increasing until when he realized that Bill Cooper's prediction of a major false flag by 2001 was assured...
I was a fan of Bill Cooper's from the early 90s, and I agree with you that he was THE authority on the NWO. Anyone who listened to Bill, knows exactly why, during those early years, Bill had disagreements with Alex... Alex was the upstart, Alex was the one who didn't know, Alex thought people who saw black helicopters were kooks... but Alex Jones doesn't think that now, and Bill Cooper and Alex Jones, if Bill were still alive, would be fast friends, and we would be hearing Bill on the radio show once a month or so... you could bet on it.
So in this case Alex has taken the position of Bill Cooper... and Peter Joseph would be the still untutored...
In any case, whether Peter Joseph is open to the understanding and realizations that Alex tried to instill... well that's up to Peter Joseph. One thing for certain, in the interactions between Bill Cooper and Alex Jones back in the late 90s, Alex Jones never presumed superiority of intellect over William Cooper... you might keep that in mind.
JTCoyoté
“We are under martial law folks, it's just what degree
of it. We are in the pot, and on the stove, it's on medium, and
our butt is starting to burn. This isn't a game. You're going to
get hurt real bad unless you start screaming bloody murder."
~Alex Jones, on the air, 9/19/08
i agree, JT, for me it was a very interesting interview, i might have wished they would have continued as long as they physically could, something tells me between the two of them there is some real hardcore truth. truth is, peter was condescending and alex was immature, but none the less i would like to see their meeting repeated, several times infact, i think for us to witness these two men learn to understand each other, would in turn help all of us learn. it almost seems to me if these two could hash it out, and actually resolve these issues, there really wouldnt be a lot left to argue about, we'd be like, right, ok, lets go do it. in any case, i do hope they meet again. |
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« Reply #1757 on: October 23, 2008, 05:26:35 AM » |
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I concur with its criticism of the FED.
I concur with its suggestions; boycott the mainstream media, the military and rejecting the political structure.
The interview with John Perkins was enlightening.
My idealistic side like the Venus Project but, my realistic side rejects it.
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« Reply #1758 on: October 23, 2008, 05:50:21 AM » |
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My idealistic side like the Venus Project but, my realistic side rejects it.
the main disagreement i have with the venus project and peter joseph is their concept of a carrying capacity of the earth, in as much as the population of the earth has to be managed. i do not like this idea...at all. my other disagreement is, like you, with the idealistic and utopian nature of the idea, it assumes too much, if we just get rid of money....which is funny, because that is the accusation, by them, that is leveled straight back at free enterprise, that it is fanciful, a dream, an illusion, utopian... i agree with the fact that certain societal traits would change upon the arrival of things like abundant energy etc, our value structures would indeed change, exchange, as we know it, could well in time become obsolete, or it may not...in any case, the potential is there, or indeed, the technology is there, for poverty to become history, and for our way of life to improve. however the horse doesnt come before the cart, we cant just expect to abolish money or exchange and see magical change, it works the other way around. when something is obsolete it is apparent, debt as money for instance, is overwhelmingly apparent to be obsolete, it is redundant, however, mutual exchange, even money, are by no means obsolete, money as debt is not the same as money, baby out with the bath water comes to mind. i would love to see what common ground aj and peter joseph could come to... |
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« Reply #1759 on: October 23, 2008, 07:04:50 AM » |
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Overpopulation is a ridiculous idea. By definition, if there were too many people for the planet to support, then they would begin to die off. Once an appropriate amount had died off, nature would regain it's equilibrium. The elite would have us believe that there has been too many people since before the 1500's, that's the last time the world had the number of people they want. Same goes for pollution. We are polluting the world with products we made from the Earth. Those products might kill us, but they won't kill the earth. Having worked outside and had to clean up litter, I know that plastic bottles and cigarette butts DO NOT last 95 years. We didn't grab plastic from space and bring it down to contaminate the earth. If we die, earth will absorb plastic and leave almost no trace of it in several hundred years...which isn't a long time for the Earth. The environment, most definitely, does not need us to defend it. We need to protect ourselves. Did anybody watch that video I posted to decide if it is Peter Joseph narrating or not? I have a reason for asking. Some people say that this is a part of Zeitgeist. But, it is a year older than Zeitgeist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTcF-7opGLUI also found an interview Mark Dice did with Peter Joseph last year. It's on Google video. |
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