Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[Dig]

Will you people please get it straight that those Corporate Episcopalianists (primarily Anglican-Fascists) who worshit St Paul's Satan God are the 'luciferians' who are the Old World Order who seek to stage the Armageddon Battle second holocaust destroying the entire Asian continent and Middle East to forward their secret, evil Satanic Religionist Goals! It is Satan and Caesar Worshipping three God Episcopalian Corporate Fascism that is the Church of Satan! (abomination of desolation) and they who run the Federal Reserve Banking system and the MI6/CIA/MOSSAD Mafia Corporate Military Industrial Terrorist Network that enslaves us!

These UN New Age 'heathens' and their pacific, constructive institute of new ideas are our friends with just as much right to have wierd religious beliefs as everybody else does!

Stop this infighting! Our little theosophist buddies are on our side, the side of love, peace and truth!

wait which buddies?  Albert Pike? HG Wells? Ted Turner? Bill Gates? Warren Buffett? David Rothschild? Adolf Hitler? Blatavsy? Maurice Strong? Al Gore?

With buddies like these...

[Dig]

I have been a listener for a long time, and been on this forum for almost a year now I belive.
I will make this my last comment on this board, because I know see that it is pointles to try and argue political questions and NWO to a group of christians. I have stated again and again that this is NOT about religion in the term of what you belive. This is about how the belief is being used to control people. Nothing more. I don't care if you wortship christ, allah, budda, khrisna, Johnny depp or whomever. I think that alot of the people on this board really should sit back for a minute and THINK, instead of being on defcon 5 defence all the time. Try to look at what is being said as a whole, and not what little triggerwords you stumple upon.

Zeitgeist has been a massive tool for waking up people all over the world. Almost everyone I have woken up hated AJ, simply because he acts like a little child, but they could relate to zeitgeist, because it is presented in a professional manner. What people make of this movie is up to them, but I know that people that see this movie is starting to wake up and investigate. And I know that they will at some point come across AJ, David Icke and many others, and THEN get a whole picture.

Just because PJ has come to the conclusion that religion could be a fraud, doesn't mean he is wrong about the rest, does it? Because then AJ should be boxed along with PJ, because AJ is not always right...

I bid you all farewell, I cannot participate here anymore, simply because people can't have an open mind, and conseive that we might be able to think in a totally different way about life and society.

sorry dude, wish you could stick around.

anyway, come back anytime.

PS...PJ has a funny way of believing that religion could be a fraud, he promotes the theological world christ in his films.  he definitely believes in the power of religion.

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Zeitgeist Addendum offers Jaques Fresco drawings of "technological solutions to problems".

It also quotes a man who believed he was the "World Teacher" and was good friends with eugenicist Aldous Huxley.

The film's creator came on AJ's show and quoted the philosophy of Ben Creme and Share International, who has promoted the "World Teacher" Maitreya for thirty years. 
Competition is bad is the foundation of what Creme preaches.

Here is a Krishnamurti quote that didn't make it into Zeitgeist Addendum...I wonder why. 

"You may remember the story of how the devil and a friend of his were walking down the street,
when they saw ahead of them a man stoop down and pick up something from the ground, look at it, and put it away in his pocket.
The friend said to the devil, 'What did that man pick up?'
'He picked up a piece of the truth,' said the devil.
'That is a very bad business for you, then,' said his friend.
'Oh, not at all,' the devil replied, 'I am going to help him organize it.'

   

I maintain that truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized;
nor should any organization be formed to lead or coerce people along a particular path."

J. Krishnamurti

[Dig]

i'm in the same boat. long time listener, but feel like this isnt a place for true open discussion anymore. from now on I'll get my info from David Icke, he's more of what i prefer stylistically.

David Icke is an excellent resource to see the fallicy of the theological society and the secret societal power structures.  come back anytime.

[Dig]

PJ: "I have no interest in the New World Order. They have no position in this type of structure."

wha-wha-what?

[ThomasPaine2008]

I saw Zeitgeist Addendum, and saw Alex's review of it; and thought I'd spend a little time to post my thoughts on the subject.  I'll preface my remarks by saying, for all his bluster, we are quite lucky to have Alex, as he seems (often unfortunately) to usually be right on the big issues.

Alex criticizes Peter Joseph for advocating a classless society, and even in the most Communist or idealistic societies, never were people all truly equal socially.  I don't think such a thing will ever exist, nor is desirable.  It is similar to the ancient Greek myth about  Procrustus (I forget his name), who thought that everybody should be the same height, so if people were too short, he would put them on his bed that served as a rack, and stretch them, and if they were too tall, he would chop off their legs until they were the prescribed height.  I believe this myth served for the ancient Greeks as a cautionary tale against an extreme form of egalitarian democracy gone horribly awry.  The Protocols of Zion state that we should know better than Communism, since such equality is completely unnatural in nature.

Alex also criticizes him in that a society without money is impractical, and again, I agree.  If we don't have money, we need something like it, so that people who waste resources can find their ability to continue doing so limited, whereas those who generate more resources can likewise do so.  As right-wing Republicans say, economies are not zero-sum games, and so redistribution of wealth is not quite as important as increasing the overall wealth.

Alex also takes up the point that people will never be absent greed or the tendency for evil, saying only that the urge toward maliciousness we see in today's culture has been carefully magnified in keeping with the malignant designs of the NWO.  I agree again that never will there be a time when no evil can arise, nor will there be a time when we do not need to be on guard against it.

Mr. Joseph at times sounds like he sees all the problems caused by the elites in sociological terms, while at other times pointing to manipulation of the currency as one  of the main ways the evils of the NWO are accomplished.  It is as if people who get rich must, by definition, in all places and all times, must institute Satanic cults with child sacrifice, advocate radical population reduction, and have an obsession with controlling everybody and everything.  This is simply not the case.  For all their barbarity at times, even the ancient Caesars, the ancient Chinese emperors, the ancient Babylonian emperors, and (for the most part, anyway) the ancient Egyptian pharaohs never had a desire to rid the land of most of their nasty fellow humans.  I believe Peter Joseph has not yet come to grips with the idea that the elite that we now have is malevolent to an unprecedented level, and that such cancerous ideas have only been allowed to fester because of the pretense of a free press and elaborate disinformation programs.  Joseph cannot admit, it seems, that these elites are not normal elites.

I must say, that there are nonetheless some very positive aspects to what Joseph is saying in the Zeitgeist series.  When he had the scene at the end of the Addendum, where a Jew, a Christian, and a Muslim all threw off their religious symbols toward the middle, I was quite encouraged.  It is my belief that the NWO amplifies religious bigotry beyond its natural levels, so as to cause us to willingly make war with each other to their benefit.  Alex, for his part, did not jump on the bandwagon of fundamentalists, and denounce it, although the 9/11 Truth movement is greatly indebted to the efforts of a number of sincere Christian ministers, including Dr. Stan Monteith (who more or less woke Alex up), David Ray Griffin, and Lindsey Williams.  It is my belief that where Christians tend toward peace, and interpret their scriptures thusly, they should be rewarded, and where they say inflammatory things that tend toward violence, they should be opposed vociferously.  Alex does not seem to be a normative Christian, although he seems to believe in God.  Normative Christians obey the command "You shall not forsake the assembling of yourselves together," and thus feel compelled to attend church regularly, and spread the word.  Christianity, if practiced literally, it is my belief, is theologically unsound.  It weighs all human good against an invisible good in an invisible afterlife, in which an invisible God holds the eternal fate of peoples' souls in the balance.  Against these invisibilities, no real human good can begin to measure.  Thus, if there were an island where 1001 people owned land, and one was a Christian, and 1000 were not, and the 1000 were about to convince the Christian to renounce his religion, it is better to kill 1000 people and save one eternal soul, then to loose 1001 eternal souls.  Upon making this argument, Christians invariably accuse me of not understanding Christianity, but to the contrary, I have been steeped in it from a very young age.  They say Jesus councils us to love one another, and to have charity, and to work hard, but show me any secularist who does those things, and defends his beliefs, and not Christians generally, but their preachers, will denounce them as sinners with fire and brimstone.  Thus, Christianity does not withdraw its wrath from the loving, the just, the industrious and the charitable, but only from believers, even when they backslide and do not do those things, so long as they spread the faith.  Any despicable act is condoned by True Believers, in the name of furthering the faith, since eternal forgiveness is instantaneous, just by asking for it.

This being said, the Christian virtues of justice, charity, industry, and kindness are the hallmark of civilization at its highest points; even if the peace to achieve such a society is often won at the point of a sword.  It is these times, where industry and learning are valued over violence, that the greatest cultures arise.  This is the difference between Christianity and the Christian Ethic.  This is the difference between Christianity as religion, and Christianity as philosophy.  We all know the passage in which James says, "Faith without works is dead."  Christians, by their behavior, enforce the idea that works without faith are dead.  This is the case when they denounce Buddhism or secularists who nonetheless believe in hard work, charity, and justice.  By contrast, I insist that works without faith are not dead.  I do not believe that "philosophy is the handmaiden to religion," as some church fathers have said, but that that religion is nothing, and philosophy is not just an esoteric discipline, but a crucial one.

Furthermore, Joseph's idea of creating a movement around Zeitgeist is a good one.  Only a movement toward a public utopia and unity can defeat the plan of the 13 banking families to make of the world a private utopia for themselves.  So, how are we to accomplish this?  I saw the answer in a Sci-Fi book years ago.

When Mr. Joseph accused Alex of putting words in his mouth, when Alex kept insisting (if memory serves) that Mr. Joseph was saying people would be able to get along, and never have need of violence, when Mr. Joseph was only saying that we'd have a lot less need of it, was well taken.  Often, Alex will get into his head that a guest, or a reporter, is saying something that they are not saying, and then go into a set rebuttal of it.  The NWO has elevated this to an art form, in quite intentionally accusing opponents of saying things they are not saying, just to rebut them (can you say 'Bill O'Reilly', boys and girls?).  Even so, with Alex, this is the exception rather than the rule, and I do not believe it is intentional.  I catch myself doing it sometimes, and when I do, I stop (unless I'm joking around).  We are fortunate in that Alex is brave, does not cut himself off from higher learning in order to debate these weasels, and cares for people.  If he gets flustered in his righteous anger occasionally, and puts his mouth in gear before he puts his mind in gear, very occasionally, we are still very fortunate to have someone who is a rare voice of sanity amongst so much rank insanity, with only occasional lapses.  (A little more tact when being interviewed on other shows, however, would probably go miles toward making him more acceptable in the MSM shows who actually are inclined to interview him.)

I had always been a Sci-Fi buff, and read the greats, since different sociological alternatives can be freely considered, in concert with the impact of technology.  James P. Hogan has written a number of great Sci-Fi books, and although most of them have some huge logical flaw, they are also remarkable for what they do predict.  I recommend any of his books, but especially the earlier ones.  One of his books, in my mind, has no such discernible flaw, and rises way above the level of a typical good Sci-Fi book in my mind: Voyage from Yesteryear.

The plot is that politics on Earth have been being run so horribly, that scientists band together, with some governmental funding, and create a lifeboat that will carry humanity to another planet and try to establish a colony there.  It is decided that carrying live humans is too costly, as it would limit the genetic diversity of the colony, and thereby threaten its survival.  Instead, donated fertilized embryos are frozen, and upon arrival, they are thawed, and brought to term in artificial incubators.  The ship's computer then had data banks full of education for the young colonialists.

The ship finds a suitable planet, lands, and hatches the younglings.  The children grow up, and create their own society.  The "Voyage From Yesteryear" occurs when the crisis passes on Earth, and they send a ship to find out what became of the colony.  When the ship gets into orbit around the planet, they ask to speak to the person in charge, over a radio.  The response comes back, "in charge of what?"  They ask then to speak to the military commander.  They respond that they don't have any fixed military command.  The people on the Earth ship finally arrange a meeting with some reputable people.  They find out that the colonialists (called "Chironians") have no money.  Instead, they find out that things are done on the basis of merit.  Their technology has progressed beyond that of Earth's, at least in the field of manufacturing, so that they don't have to bother with money for the necessities of life.  Automated factories provide all the basic necessities in abundance (sound like Zeitgeist?).  Even so, there is still competition for rarer resources, and such conflicts are decided on the basis of merit.  The people from earth notice children working on sophisticated communications gear in a space station, and express astonishment with this.  The Chironians reply that since the children are not raised with the idea of conflict between generations, and since they are free to focus on technology instead of war, for the most part, they become far more responsible at a younger age.

Many of the people in the Earth delegation like these ideas, but the military leaders have it stuck in their craw that there just has to be a unified military command.  They elect to settle the earth delegation on the planet, in a compound with a fence and limited access.  Upon accomplishing this, they reveal the fact that the Earth ship has weapons, and they will use them if the Chironians do not submit.  The Chrionians respond by finding friendly forces on the Earth ship, and getting them to commit mutiny, with the help of some Chronians.  One of the Earthers describes his feelings as being that he is just sick of all the religion and militarism from Earth.  Religion was rarely anything other than a way to get people to go to war (although I would exempt Buddhism, Confucianism and the Bahai faith from that charge), and that those things were what caused Earth to so fear for its survival as to send out the colony ship, in the first place.  The Earth commander then escapes to the Earth delegation on the planet, and gets them to make a stand against the Chironians, along with some like-minded Chironians.  The Chironians then respond by surrounding the compound, bearing weapons.  They issue an announcement, that the Earth forces will lose this military engagement, and anybody who wants to leave, and avoid the massacre can leave.  About half of them do.  Again, the Chironians issue an announcement, and say that even if they do not agree with the Chironians, with half of the forces gone, a route of the Earth encampment is even more now a foregone conclusion, and they give them some time to think about if they want to leave.  Finally, they get down to about a group about 1/8 the size of the original encampment, who are determined to establish a military command, no matter what.  They then open fire, and kill them all.

Consider the Chironians in the context of Zeitgeist, and Alex Jones' objections.  They do not assume that such an elite is normal for a "scarcity based economy", and yet they do advocate a "resource-based economy", i.e. one based on plenty.  They do not assume there will ever be a time when evil men do not arise, nor do they assume that it will never be necessary to use force, but there is no danger of them becoming militaristic: indeed, they are adamantly opposed to that.  The Chironians at one point are asked, "Didn't you read the materials we provided about government and the military?"  They responded, "Sure.  We just didn't do any of it."  While the Chironians do not formally have money, they nonetheless never assume that there will never be competition for rarer resources, nor competition in general.  They do not assume that the militaristic tone of Earth politics was normal: indeed, the book describes Earth politics imperiling humanity in a very singular way.  Although it is only an obscure Sci-Fi book, I also expect that that's what Earth will look like, if things don't devolve to palaces for the 13 banking families, and as many gardeners are required to maintain their gardens, i.e. the rest of the earth.

I believe that the debate between Alex Jones and Peter Joseph should not be seen in terms of winners and losers, but instead in terms of each contributing ideas toward what a public utopia might look like, if the human race survives the catastrophe they intend toward our genetic and intellectual variability, imperiling us in a dangerous universe to a completely unnecessary level.  It thus seems ironic to me, that this obscure Sci-Fi book that I thought so much of many years ago, surprisingly well presaged so many of the issues that were swirling around when Alex was debating Peter.  I only hope we can get enough people on this same wavelength, before it is too late.

Sincerely,
ThomasPaine2008

[johnnyoi]

Alex already made two mistakes with the first caller who disagreed with him. lol

[JTCoyoté]

I cant believe what a failure infowars have been on this whole situation, you even deleted my thread with criticism of Alex, (oh the irony)
and now you have a question poll on your front page saying

"Following Alex's discussion with Zeitgeist producer Peter Joseph, our question today is: Considering the limitations of human nature and societal conditioning, is a Utopian society achievable?"

This question actually bypass's the whole debate by not allowing people to vote on the issue because the question is leading in that your assuming that these limitations are natural when Peter was pointing out to you that they are created by the system so the question should be do you believe human limitation are natural or induced by the system, Instead you've used Orwellian language where anyway I vote I can only enforce your view,why are you becoming so ridiculous? its embarrassing and your losing my faith rapidly I cannot continue to endorse or listen to people who have become trapped in their own mental box.

Your thread was merged with several others on the same subject... which Rock linked to above...

To answer your question...

NO, a utopian society is not achievable, at least not as a "utopian society" for all, with human nature remaining in tact. What would be created instead, would be a high-tech, structured system ruled by a small elite... in effect an engineered stagnant culture, that will not change, will not involve, in fact, a beehive... which is their model, by the way.

To clarify, it is essentially a heaven on earth schema, that inculcates a very narrow spectrum of what a very small number of people would consider Heaven... It is a pie in the sky ploy, with maglev trains, futuristic buildings, no more war, no more poverty or disease... In fact it is a NWO futurist scenario, that is being sold, as it has in the past, to implement a eugenics program, a "purification" as well as population reduction of the species.

What the founding fathers hammered out for this country, is the perfect balance of lawful government, counter-poised with the maximum liberty that can be achieved by a moral people. To return to this has been the goal of the liberty/patriot, and of late, the truth movement from the very beginning. This zeitgeist attempted coup of the movement, is designed to stop any such patriot movements... They give you 75% truth, things we know that are provable, and then as a solution, they give you a glorified and colorized view of their agenda, knowing that the untutored will fall for it!

JTCoyoté

“Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek
it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding
the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth.
And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always
create the most hellish tyrannies.”
~Barry Goldwater

[Firewerk66]

This seems to be a debatable point, please see the thread regarding how it is a falsity that he denied nothing.  He continued communicating until 1973 as the world christ figure was being promoted: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=64228.0 .

But notwithstanding the debate, you will agree that he was the world christ figure for theological society and a disciple of blatlavsky who also also was hitler's spiritual mentor.  So these films to promote the once or still "world christ" figure.  But the film goes into all this anger tward religion. Why even have an old christ figure promoted while all other religions are downgraded and made fun of?  Doesn't this go to the point of these films not being about anti-religion, but anti-freedom of religion?  I mean the fact that a world christ figure (either before or now) presents the hallmark philosophy for this new world design should send chills down any atheist or agnostic's spine.  They talk about technology, but the philosophy comes from a once thought of christ figure for occultist satanists...

well this is where the barrier stands. first off, he was not a "disciple" of Blavatsky. He was taken as a small child, lead around like a circus monkey until he was able to think for himself and go off on his own, independent and separate of the theosophists. Again, if you actually read his material, as i've done over the last 12 years, id would become clear that the LAST thing JK is, is a satanic christ figure. again connecting the dots that arent there a guilt by association. the last 60 or so years of his life he spent discussing how to break free from the limits of man present consciousness that keeps us all in conflict with each other.

secondly, i never once detected "anger toward religion" in either of the Z films. pointing out that organized religion of ANY kind is a mental prision is not anger towords it.

third, and this is what AJ got wrong yesterday as well - there is a difference between spirituality and religion. yes, Z has elements of spirituality woven throughout, but not religion. saying Z:A is "dripping with religion" is just an outright lie and exaggeration.

fourth, the premise of Z:A and the philosophy of JK with regard to the "freedom of religion." NO - these films say nothing about being denied ANY sorts of freedoms. BUT imply that consciousness can evolve to a point where ANY religious dogma is just not necessary. just like ancient man worshipping the sun because he did not understand it, we've come a long way in understanding out surroundings and thusly we dont need to attribute a supernatural explanation to the sun. there can be spirituality WITHOUT religion.

another point of the Z films is obvious with regards to religion: why are there so many differing belief systems? with that being said, these differing religions all proclaim to have the truth - thus  are in conflict with one another. well, who is right? if there is one common "ground" that everything was spawned from, why cant it be agreed upon? this is the falicy of religion. again i'm not attacking be a spiritual person, just the rules and boundaries of all religious dogma.

i think David Icke has the most concise term that we are al infinite consciousness.

[donnay]

here's a new video I put together just now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VStJm6roVy8
"Why I still listen to AJ"

Great video!!!

__________________________________

I like Logan's Run but I cannot help but think that this will take us towards a more Soylent Green movement. 

I am listening to Alex right now and he is talking like the Teacher on South Park! to a caller.  LMAO!!!

[InfoTruth]

I have been a listener for a long time, and been on this forum for almost a year now I belive.
I will make this my last comment on this board, because I know see that it is pointles to try and argue political questions and NWO to a group of christians.

I feel the same way, fundamentalists Christians are quick to judge other truthers with different beliefs. They are against new agers,occultists,pot heads,atheists,agnostics,etc.. They still don't see how this movement is for all not just exclusive for Christians.

I have stated again and again that this is NOT about religion in the term of what you belive. This is about how the belief is being used to control people. Nothing more.

Just look how the globalists are using Zionism,Islam and Christianity to rip the world apart. How can Christians deny that their religion is being used?

Zeitgeist has been a massive tool for waking up people all over the world. Almost everyone I have woken up hated AJ, simply because he acts like a little child, but they could relate to zeitgeist, because it is presented in a professional manner. What people make of this movie is up to them, but I know that people that see this movie is starting to wake up and investigate. And I know that they will at some point come across AJ, David Icke and many others, and THEN get a whole picture.

I agree, I believe everyone should make up their on mind about Zeitgeist and just take the good and go with it just like anything else.

I bid you all farewell, I cannot participate here anymore, simply because people can't have an open mind, and conseive that we might be able to think in a totally different way about life and society.

I don't think this is the wise thing to do, you should stay and continue to educate others. This is why the masses get brainwashed because those with alternative views are not there to open their minds.

[RickT]

That was great... AJ as "Intellectual Man"  Too much.

[johnnyoi]

More like a mental patient lol.

[InfoTruth]

Truthers still believe in the Communist conspiracy?

[Dig]

I feel the same way, fundamentalists Christians are quick to judge other truthers with different beliefs. They are against new agers,occultists,pot heads,atheists,agnostics,etc.. They still don't see how this movement is for all not just exclusive for Christians.

Just look how the globalists are using Zionism,Islam and Christianity to rip the world apart. How can Christians deny that their religion is being used?



I agree, I believe everyone should make up their on mind about Zeitgeist and just take the good and go with it just like anything else.


I don't think this is the wise thing to do, you should stay and continue to educate others. This is why the masses get brainwashed because those with alternative views are not there to open their minds.

guys please stop the total bullshit strawman creating this false division.  There is no "christians not accepting other anti-NWO beliefs" nonsense. Stop acting like there is.  We have already exposed that this division is being created by trolls but you insist on still bringing up this total nonsense. ZA presents an NWO futuristic scientific technocracy that is strikingly similar to Pike/Blavatsky/CFR/Bilderberg/UN documents.

All we are doing is pointing that out.

It is as clear as 2+2=4 (unless that also should be questioned).

[Dig]

well this is where the barrier stands. first off, he was not a "disciple" of Blavatsky. He was taken as a small child, lead around like a circus monkey until he was able to think for himself and go off on his own, independent and separate of the theosophists. Again, if you actually read his material, as i've done over the last 12 years, id would become clear that the LAST thing JK is, is a satanic christ figure. again connecting the dots that arent there a guilt by association. the last 60 or so years of his life he spent discussing how to break free from the limits of man present consciousness that keeps us all in conflict with each other.

secondly, i never once detected "anger toward religion" in either of the Z films. pointing out that organized religion of ANY kind is a mental prision is not anger towords it.

third, and this is what AJ got wrong yesterday as well - there is a difference between spirituality and religion. yes, Z has elements of spirituality woven throughout, but not religion. saying Z:A is "dripping with religion" is just an outright lie and exaggeration.

fourth, the premise of Z:A and the philosophy of JK with regard to the "freedom of religion." NO - these films say nothing about being denied ANY sorts of freedoms. BUT imply that consciousness can evolve to a point where ANY religious dogma is just not necessary. just like ancient man worshipping the sun because he did not understand it, we've come a long way in understanding out surroundings and thusly we dont need to attribute a supernatural explanation to the sun. there can be spirituality WITHOUT religion.

another point of the Z films is obvious with regards to religion: why are there so many differing belief systems? with that being said, these differing religions all proclaim to have the truth - thus  are in conflict with one another. well, who is right? if there is one common "ground" that everything was spawned from, why cant it be agreed upon? this is the falicy of religion. again i'm not attacking be a spiritual person, just the rules and boundaries of all religious dogma.

i think David Icke has the most concise term that we are al infinite consciousness.

well I can respect your opinions on the matter.  I personally do not agree with them, but nevertheless, I respect them.

[UK Lyn]

A steer gets everything it needs... for a while.

Amen. Ever worked in a old folk's home?  I did for quite a while. I can assure you, no robot or 'technology' is going to be gentle or empathic enough for that job. So this 'utopia' will still need human beings there at least, doing at times a pretty unpleasant job -ever assisted with a crisis geriatric constipation? No? Well WHO will do THAT in 'utopia' ?

That is just ONE of countless examples of jobs, yes jobs, that will never be handed over to 'technology'

Go on, please, just one Z.A. advocate, tell me WHO is going to do these often-unpleasant JOBS and what will be their reward? (or will 'utopia' not have any old, ala Logan's Run?)

[Firewerk66]

Here is a Krishnamurti quote that didn't make it into Zeitgeist Addendum...I wonder why. 

"You may remember the story of how the devil and a friend of his were walking down the street,
when they saw ahead of them a man stoop down and pick up something from the ground, look at it, and put it away in his pocket.
The friend said to the devil, 'What did that man pick up?'
'He picked up a piece of the truth,' said the devil.
'That is a very bad business for you, then,' said his friend.
'Oh, not at all,' the devil replied, 'I am going to help him organize it.'

   

I maintain that truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized;
nor should any organization be formed to lead or coerce people along a particular path."

J. Krishnamurti

yeah, so? do you even understand what that Devil parable means? he's not saying the devil really exists or said those things or whatever.....it means the truth cannot be organized into dogma - it means truth is not moldable, it is concrete and undebatable. the devil represents the negative or primitive aspects of the human ego.

also, keep in mind the context of this parable: it was the opening of his speech when dissolved the order of the star and broke away from theosophy organized religion.

[Rock]

I feel the same way, fundamentalists Christians are quick to judge other truthers with different beliefs. They are against new agers,occultists,pot heads,atheists,agnostics,etc.. They still don't see how this movement is for all not just exclusive for Christians.

Just look how the globalists are using Zionism,Islam and Christianity to rip the world apart. How can Christians deny that their religion is being used?



I agree, I believe everyone should make up their on mind about Zeitgeist and just take the good and go with it just like anything else.


I don't think this is the wise thing to do, you should stay and continue to educate others. This is why the masses get brainwashed because those with alternative views are not there to open their minds.

Please read 9, 11, and 12.  All written before your last talking points post. http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=65042.msg340588#msg340588

Now, please give me some new ones that are meant to divide the members.

Rock

[InfoTruth]

guys please stop the total bullshit strawman creating this false division.  There is no "christians not accepting other anti-NWO beliefs" nonsense. Stop acting like there is.  We have already exposed that this division is being created by trolls but you insist on still bringing up this total nonsense. ZA presents an NWO futuristic scientific technocracy that is strikingly similar to Pike/Blavatsky/CFR/Bilderberg/UN documents.

This is the problem right here. I've read articles from fundamentalists Christians attacking Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, David Icke,etc.. Are you telling me Christians don't believe that the only solution to all this is to have Jesus Christ come back and rule the world? I've even heard some Christians say that God actually is allowing the NWO to commit all these crimes to punish humanity! Come on this is not logical and you know it.

[Dig]

Truthers still believe in the Communist conspiracy? :D

Yeah the nerve of those morons.  Nothing in the 45 point plan is occuring at all.  It does not exist.  Please ignore the rest of this post it also does not exist and is just a joke...

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The communist agenda in America exposed by a senior psyps director at the KGB:
Soviet Deception: Demoralization of the West

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=915448763957391352

Soviet Goals for the United States

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUhF7YPDyHM

Dr. Skousen on this agenda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8_b8bPQvcQ

and here are the major priorities:
1963 Communist Goals-The following was entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69) in 1963.   
1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war
2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war
3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength"
4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites
6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination
7) Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN.
8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN
9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress
10) Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN
11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo)
12) Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party
13) Do away with loyalty oaths
14) Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office
15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US
16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.
18) Gain control of all student newspapers
19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings", substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.
23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art".
24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26) Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy".
27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch"
28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"
29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".
31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture."
32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34) Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI
36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business
38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems.
43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

More here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=10245.0
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Also Project Bluebeam does not exist...do not go to this thread: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=4297.0

It is all a coincidence that all of these things that do not exist seem to be very closely related as far as their agenda. Just coincidence

[Dig]

This is the problem right here. I've read articles from fundamentalists Christians attacking Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, David Icke,etc.. Are you telling me Christians don't believe that the only solution to all this is to have Jesus Christ come back and rule the world? I've even heard some Christians say that God actually is allowing the NWO to commit all these crimes to punish humanity! Come on this is not logical and you know it.

Oh, so you are agreeing that this division does not exist within the interview but you are now INTERJECTING this division into this thread.

Yes I totally agree that you are doing that and everyone sees that this seems to be one of the primary purpose for the whole infestation of Z-trolls that popped up out of nowhere.

Completely agree.

If you would like to actually talk about the interview instead of blatantly injecting something else feel free, but this injection is obviously not coming from truthers or AJ.  You have just injected it and it seems to be a pattern.

[Godfather77]

Seems like I missed alot whilst my internet connection kept getting cutoff.  I'll have to listen to this interview again.

Zeitgeist comments about reeducation reminded me of the Simpsons Halloween episode where Homer changes history and Ned Flanders is ruler of the world.  Now that was a truly scary place   

[InfoTruth]

Oh, so you are agreeing that this division does not exist within the interview but you are now INTERJECTING this division into this thread.

This disagreement has been here before the Zeitgeist interview, don't act like this is something new to you.

Yes I totally agree that you are doing that and everyone sees that this is the primary purpose for the whole infestation of Z-trolls that popped up out of nowhere.

Completely agree

What is it exactly that you want to do here? You want those with alternative beliefs to leave the forum and let the
fundamentalists run wild? I can't question their beliefs and motives?


Sane what are you trying to say about me?

[agentbluescreen]

hahahaha, oh man this is like McCain v. Obama...

YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY OTHER CHOICE DAMMIT!!!

WE DECIDE THE CHOICES AND THIS IS ALL WE ARE GIVING YOU!!!

RESISTENCE IS FUTILE!!!

PICK YOUR LESSER EVIL NOW!!!

what an amazing acknowledgement that Z is in fact total NWO propaganda

Can't you face the truth? Simply because George H W Bush called his rotten old corrupt "old World 2nd Reich Fascism" a "New World Order" and ALL YOU IDIOTS CALL IT THAT FOR HIM does not make that rotten ancient corrupt Tory-Whig Cabal a "new world order'

The American Revolution of 1776 against George H W Bush and the Bilderbergers and the noble houses of Europe and the Rothschild Banksters and noble Tory and elite Whig Cabals was the real genuine original "NEW WORLD ORDER" and the Constitutional well regulated, honest money and fair honest open and just democratic-under-law system of governance that we are all FIGHTING FOR!!!

You people are a bunch of slogan-headed morons!

What we are fighting is the Rotten Corrupt Crappy Old World Tyranny pretending to be OUR Real and Genuine Good New World Order!

That is the system of truth honesty and justice we lost by surrendering back to Britain's corrupt 2nd Reich!

[Dig]

This disagreement has been here before the Zeitgeist interview, don't act like this is something new to you.

what does that have to do with the interview or this thread? why do you keep injecting it? Have you given up pushing the whole "AJ uses WWF tactics" nonsense and now have to bring up stuff outside of the interview to hijack a thread with this interjection of division?

What is it exactly that you want to do here? You want those with alternative beliefs to leave the forum and let the fundamentalists run wild? I can't question their beliefs and motives?

Oh my, the fundamentalists runing wild, what will we do? save us Z men from those pesky fundamentalists.

geez, the longest thread in the off topic room is called "bible thumping".  Feel free to post there whenever you would like to get into a debate with "fundamentalists running wild." Here is a link so you do not even have to search for it:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=9754.0

And do not be too scared, there are some pretty cool posts there.

Sane what are you trying to say about me?

That you are interjecting a faux-controversy in this thread because perhaps you cannot sustain a logical argument against the interview. What did you think I was saying about you?

[Rock]

This disagreement has been here before the Zeitgeist interview, don't act like this is something new to you.

What is it exactly that you want to do here? You want those with alternative beliefs to leave the forum and let the
fundamentalists run wild? I can't question their beliefs and motives?


Sane what are you trying to say about me?

Thanks for the new talking point "You want those with alternative beliefs to leave the forum and let the
fundamentalists run wild?"  It will be added to the list.


Rock

[Rock]

Updated list for the 7th time

Here is the new talking points:

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well as most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper
5) solutions rather then fear mongering
6) at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution?
7) ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!
8 "Quite saying if we are against organized religion we are NWO shills!"
9) Christians are taking over the movement and labeling anyone who disagrees with them pro NWO.
10) AJ has become like his enemy Bill O'Reilly and is a total hypocrite.
11) "you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about"
12) "bible is full of myths and you Christians can't handle the truth.  So don't tell me Z is full of lies and NWO propeganda like your Christain myths."
13) You want those with alternative beliefs to leave the forum and let the fundamentalists run wild?

True motives are being exposed expeditiously

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years  , and will not listen as much in protest.

[noxium]

what does that have to do with the interview or this thread? why do you keep injecting it? Have you given up pushing the whole "AJ uses WWF tactics" nonsense and now have to bring up stuff outside of the interview to hijack a thread with this interjection of division?

Oh my, the fundamentalists runing wild, what will we do? save us Z men from those pesky fundamentalists.

geez, the longest thread in the off topic room is called "bible thumping".  Feel free to post there whenever you would like to get into a debate with "fundamentalists running wild." Here is a link so you do not even have to search for it:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=9754.0

And do not be too scared, there are some pretty cool posts there.

That you are interjecting a faux-controversy in this thread because perhaps you cannot sustain a logical argument against the interview. What did you think I was saying about you?

To be fair here, you could also throw this argument to all the people calling people Z-heads, and any other ad hominem attacks thrown around here. What do they have to do with this topic? Other than to reinforce and gang up on people to make them feel more comfortable?

Fear causes people to group up and that is apparent in this thread, at least by what I can see.

Also what does Rock's "Key talking point" about talking points by people who do not think PJ is NWO, have to do with this topic?

[Atomic]

Updated list for the 6th time

Here is the new talking points:

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well as most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper
5) solutions rather then fear mongering
6) at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution?
7) ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!
8 "Quite saying if we are against organized religion we are NWO shills!"
9) Christians are taking over the movement and labeling anyone who disagrees with them pro NWO.
10) AJ has become like his enemy Bill O'Reilly and is a total hypocrite.
11) "you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about"
12) "bible is full of myths and you Christians can't handle the truth.  So don't tell me Z is full of lies and NWO propeganda like your Christain myths."


These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years  , and will not listen as much in protest.

If you are going to belittle me at least quote what I actually said instead of modifying it so it loses all it's context. I said "you do not allow for the possibility that you missunderstood what he is talking about" not "you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about". So if you are going to distort what I said why don't you just log into my account and post for me and say it is me and you can all have a big laugh. Since you are not interested in reasonable discourse you may as well. I notice sane could not handle the "simple" concept of how to explain what the color white is to a blind person. Gee not so easy huh? In a very real way this situation is just like that but whatever you folks are not interested in talking you just want to duke it out like pit bulls. Anyway carry on with your assault RA RA SIS BOOM BAH PJ IS NWO ILLUMINATI SCUM AND I KNOW IT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SIMILAR TO SOME OTHER STUFF I HEARD ONCE AND THAT STUFF IS BAD AND I AM SURE HE IS BAD JUST BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SIMILAR OK, SO JUST TAKE MY WORD FOR IT SOUNDING SIMILAR TO LOGANS RUN IS ENOUGH OK AND I DON'T CARE IF HIS IDEAS ARE DIFFERENT THEY SOUND SIMILAR SO ATAAAAAACK!

[InfoTruth]

what does that have to do with the interview or this thread? why do you keep injecting it? Have you given up pushing the whole "AJ uses WWF tactics" nonsense and now have to bring up stuff outside of the interview to hijack a thread with this interjection of division?

I never said AJ uses WWF tactics so I don't really know what you're talking about. I've said many times how I didn't like how AJ conducted the interview but I also don't agree with Peter Joseph views.

Oh my, the fundamentalists runing wild, what will we do? save us Z men from those pesky fundamentalists.

I'm not saying that as well, we all know there is a division in this truth movement why not try to confront the problem and try to address it? I've always talked about the movement uniting together that way we're more effective against the nwo.

[InfoTruth]

noxium I wouldn't take Rock seriously.

[Rock]

To be fair here, you could also throw this argument to all the people calling people Z-heads, and any other ad hominem attacks thrown around here. What do they have to do with this topic? Other than to reinforce and gang up on people to make them feel more comfortable?

Fear causes people to group up and that is apparent in this thread, at least by what I can see.

Also what does Rock's "Key talking point" about talking points by people who do not think PJ is NWO, have to do with this topic?

I prefer Z- Laity.  That is more respectful and accurate. But Z- head gets to the point.  



Rock

[Dig]

To be fair here, you could also throw this argument to all the people calling people Z-heads, and any other ad hominem attacks thrown around here. What do they have to do with this topic? Other than to reinforce and gang up on people to make them feel more comfortable?

Fear causes people to group up and that is apparent in this thread, at least by what I can see.

Also what does Rock's "Key talking point" about talking points by people who do not think PJ is NWO, have to do with this topic?

yeah I guess that makes some sense. thanks.

as far as the talking point you are referring to, I am not sure I understand

[noxium]

Updated list for the 7th time

Here is the new talking points:

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well as most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper
5) solutions rather then fear mongering
6) at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution?
7) ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!
8 "Quite saying if we are against organized religion we are NWO shills!"
9) Christians are taking over the movement and labeling anyone who disagrees with them pro NWO.
10) AJ has become like his enemy Bill O'Reilly and is a total hypocrite.
11) "you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about"
12) "bible is full of myths and you Christians can't handle the truth.  So don't tell me Z is full of lies and NWO propeganda like your Christain myths."
13) You want those with alternative beliefs to leave the forum and let the fundamentalists run wild?

True motives are being exposed expeditiously

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years  , and will not listen as much in protest.

A talking point is something that one uses to go back to again and again to reinforce an empty platform of argument, your continuous posts and repetitive "talking points" are no different than what you are condemning. What is your point to posting that over and over? To discredit all who disagree with AJ? or you? That is why you are doing it. Anyone who uses any argument in your post is therefore a "Z-troll" and should be shunned by the majority. Wow this is the freedom in which we will have under the Utopian view of the "Patriot" movement?

"A revolutionary becomes a conservative the day after the revolution" That quote holds true, so it seems. All people who think they are fighting the system are just replacing it with an equal system of control of their own. It will NEVER work!!

[no alarms]

wow this thread will not go away. C'mon guys, lets wrap it up and move on...

[Rock]

If you are going to belittle me at least quote what I actually said instead of modifying it so it loses all it's context. I said "you do not allow for the possibility that you missunderstood what he is talking about" not "you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about". So if you are going to distort what I said why don't you just log into my account and post for me and say it is me and you can all have a big laugh. Since you are not interested in reasonable discourse you may as well. I notice sane could not handle the "simple" concept of how to explain what the color white is to a blind person. Gee not so easy huh? In a very real way this situation is just like that but whatever you folks are not interested in talking you just want to duke it out like pit bulls. Anyway carry on with your assault RA RA SIS BOOM BAH PJ IS NWO ILLUMINATI SCUM AND I KNOW IT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SIMILAR TO SOME OTHER STUFF I HEARD ONCE AND THAT STUFF IS BAD AND I AM SURE HE IS BAD JUST BECAUSE IT SOUNDS SIMILAR OK, SO JUST TAKE MY WORD FOR IT SOUNDING SIMILAR TO LOGANS RUN IS ENOUGH OK AND I DON'T CARE IF HIS IDEAS ARE DIFFERENT THEY SOUND SIMILAR SO ATAAAAAACK!

Ok, you ar certifiably nuts.  I cut and paste your words, then you tell me I am misquoting you?  Look at your own post nogga nogga! http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=65042.msg340558#msg340558

Well, there it is.  That's what I love about permanent print.  It does not distort or lie. SO are you going to say your sorry?  Probably not.


Rock

[Dig]

I never said AJ uses WWF tactics so I don't really know what you're talking about. I've said many times how I didn't like how AJ conducted the interview but I also don't agree with Peter Joseph views.

dude, here is one of your quotes regarding AJ interviewing PJ:

"More like a CIA interrogation technique!"

I guess I was being too kind when I said WWF tactics, you were thinking CIA tactics.

I'm not saying that as well, we all know there is a division in this truth movement why not try to confront the problem and try to address it? I've always talked about the movement uniting together that way we're more effective against the nwo.

really you are trying to unite people by starting threads like:

"Why do believers fight against the NWO?" http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=65107.0 where you post such divisive comments like:

"Why are you guys fighting against destiny?
Your efforts will be wasteful according to the bible. Didn't god command you to preach the gospel of Christ and not to engage in worldly matters? 
Why do some Christians want to battle the NWO fully knowing that they are going to be marked or killed?
Isn't this going against your gods plan?
Didn't Jesus say to turn the other cheek?
Didn't all the apostles died except John?"

Way to bring everyone together.  Again obvious division creating rhetoric under the safetly umbrella of "Really, I just want to understand.  I am looking for us all to work as one."

Religion/faith is a personal choice.  Promoting a belief system that has within its structure the denying of all other beliefs goes against the freedom of religion.  Please stop interjecting this faux controversy of division into this forum.  If you want to expouse about how evangelicals are running wild, please do so in the bible thumping thread. thanks

[InfoTruth]

dude, here is one of your quotes regarding AJ interviewing PJ:

More like a CIA interrogation technique!"

I guess I was being too kind when I said WWF tactics, you were thinking CIA tactics.

really you are trying to unite people by starting threads like:

"Why do believers fight against the NWO?" http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=65107.0 where you post such divisive comments like:

"Why are you guys fighting against destiny?
Your efforts will be wasteful according to the bible. Didn't god command you to preach the gospel of Christ and not to engage in worldly matters? 
Why do some Christians want to battle the NWO fully knowing that they are going to be marked or killed?
Isn't this going against your gods plan?
Didn't Jesus say to turn the other cheek?
Didn't all the apostles died except John?"

Way to bring everyone together.  Again obvious division creating rhetoric under the safetly umbrella of "Really, I just want to understand.  I am looking for us all to work as one."

Religion/faith is a personal choice.  Promoting a belief system that has within its structure the denying of all other beliefs goes against the freedom of religion.  Please stop interjecting this faux controversy of division into this forum.  If you want to expouse about how evangelicals are running wild, please do so in the bible thumping thread. thanks

LOL That was more of a joke about the CIA interrogation technique. Yeah I created that thread with great intentions because I honestly have thought about these questions, I don't see anything wrong with questioning.

[Dok]

LOL That was more of a joke about the CIA interrogation technique. Yeah I created that thread with great intentions because I honestly have thought about these questions, I don't see anything wrong with questioning.

You werent looking for answers only a fight.