Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[DJ BALL]

My 2 cents without reading all the commentary.



Alex has done more than anyone i've come across in exposing the evil at work.
In fact his memory and uncanny overall talent really impresses me... routinely blowing me away.
I find him genius quite often....... not to mention hilarious. (look at my sig)
In fact much more then any other celebrities i've worked with up here in Vancouver.
AJ is truly a star and a treasure.
Peter Joseph and Zeitgeist have done some amazing mind unlocking as well.
I grew up atheist but see lots of positives in some aspects of religion.
Yesterday seemed like religion had a part to play and it wasn't helpful.
Alex does a great job of exposing the machine and Peter offers some solutions but i personally can't see them happening anytime soon.

The interview yesterday had me with "egg on my face" because i picked yesterday to tell some newbies to tune in.
I'm sorry to say but AJ came off horrible at times no matter how unrealistic some of Josephs utopian idealogy/theories are. It almost sounded like O'Reilly at times.
After telling people to listen to his show and that i get the best information on the planet from AJ i feel quite embarrassed.
I will now have to FORCE them to watch Terrorstorm to balance out their now tainted view.

The day before he seemed like he was a little manic with Tsarion cutting off his sentences more then usual

The amount of work Alex does is ridiculous, combine that with the f**king death threats and the constant pressure of being on the absolute front lines and of course, he is going to have some moments.

It's easy for everyone to have their opinions but think of what it must be like to have Jones's knowledge and the pressure of being Public Enemy Number #1 and getting death threated routinely while being a DAD and a husband

I've kept this from my people but i've had 3 since starting WACV and it's not a good feeling although it does inspire me to work harder.

The AJ haters aren't considering the factors involved in his performance yesterday.

I think he needs a week off with the kids.

Some of you guys disappoint me in how fast you turn on a guy that has a bad interview,

Obviously you don't consider the length and track record AJ has and the personal sacrifice him and his family have made for humanity.

If all you armchair quarterbacks and keyboard warriors actually did something for a change.. interviews like yesterdays wouldn't even be possible. Seriously it's getting tiresome listening to you useless f**ks talk shit and do nothing

All this chat room yapping is bullshit anyway

AJ exposes more of these scum bags than anyone else on the planet and for that i will continue to support him.

We just need to love him and look out for him and his well being.

I hope Trey,Rob and Aaron look out for him and AJ listens to his true crew when they tell him he needs some R+R.

Alex come see me in Vancouver. It's beautiful up here.

[Dig]

Who said those words?
Look in the mirror friend.

Double...

Please feel free to utilize logic, reason, evidence, references, etc. to backup your claims.  Just attacking everyone in this forum because you cannot argue coherently is puzzling.

[Robodoon]

I always knew this guy was off and with his first film I thought he was just a product of confusion. Well now I know who he really is... Thanks Alex for the interview! Listening to him I was jumping up and down, it was like listening to the elites or its baby the UN and its world peace minons. This man really showed his true colors in this interview. (That interview needs to go far and wide!)

I've all ready started to attack to expose him and his intent. The first film I let go, I would tell people the first part was off, beware, but the points in the second and third had "merit". But after hearing him talk I know his spirit...its the spirit of the Elites...and their spirit is of you know who.

I hope the Infowars crowd attacks this new film. Lots of young people are taking the bait of his words because of MSM and Public education conditioning. Can the infowars crowd take on the devil? Well isn't that really what we are about

Thanks Again Alex!!!  for letting us hear MR Zeitgeist expose himself, showing the light he claims is really the darkness so many of us have fought against for so long.

[DCUBED]

My 2 cents without reading all the commentary.



Alex has done more than anyone i've come across in exposing the evil at work.
In fact his memory and uncanny overall talent really impresses me... routinely blowing me away.
I find him genius quite often....... not to mention hilarious. (look at my sig)
In fact much more then any other celebrities i've worked with up here in Vancouver.
AJ is truly a star and a treasure.
Peter Joseph and Zeitgeist have done some amazing mind unlocking as well.
I grew up atheist but see lots of positives in some aspects of religion.
Yesterday seemed like religion had a part to play and it wasn't helpful.
Alex does a great job of exposing the machine and Peter offers some solutions but i personally can't see them happening anytime soon.

The interview yesterday had me with "egg on my face" because i picked yesterday to tell some newbies to tune in.
I'm sorry to say but AJ came off horrible at times no matter how unrealistic some of Josephs utopian idealogy/theories are. It almost sounded like O'Reilly at times.
After telling people to listen to his show and that i get the best information on the planet from AJ i feel quite embarrassed.
I will now have to FORCE them to watch Terrorstorm to balance out their now tainted view.

The day before he seemed like he was a little manic with Tsarion cutting off his sentences more then usual

The amount of work Alex does is ridiculous, combine that with the f**king death threats and the constant pressure of being on the absolute front lines and of course, he is going to have some moments.

It's easy for everyone to have their opinions but think of what it must be like to have Jones's knowledge and the pressure of being Public Enemy Number #1 and getting death threated routinely while being a DAD and a husband

I've kept this from my people but i've had 3 since starting WACV and it's not a good feeling although it does inspire me to work harder.

The AJ haters aren't considering the factors involved in his performance yesterday.

I think he needs a week off with the kids.

Some of you guys disappoint me in how fast you turn on a guy that has a bad interview,

Obviously you don't consider the length and track record AJ has and the personal sacrifice him and his family have made for humanity.

If all you armchair quarterbacks and keyboard warriors actually did something for a change.. interviews like yesterdays wouldn't even be possible. Seriously it's getting tiresome listening to you useless f**ks talk shit and do nothing

All this chat room yapping is bullshit anyway

AJ exposes more of these scum bags than anyone else on the planet and for that i will continue to support him.

We just need to love him and look out for him and his well being.

I hope Trey,Rob and Aaron look out for him and AJ listens to his true crew when they tell him he needs some R+R.

Alex come see me in Vancouver. It's beautiful up here.

I agree. I sleep much better at night knowing that Alex is on our side. 

[sociostudent]

name one system that hasn't turned corrupt.
The indigenous tribes of Native Americans (both in N. and S. America) used goods and services in a bartering system (No one got something for nothing, unlike a socialist welfare system)
The only reason why they didn't work out was NOT because of corruption. It was because of GENOCIDE. That's why we need to secure our borders, get back to the gold standard, and start our new method of trade and production that DOESN'T include the FAO, WHO or some POS legislation that lists putting a hot dog in a bun is a "manufacturing" job, because it's DECIMATED our production value as a country.
The Corporation of the United States of America is now corrupt.
I agree, it is. And that's why crony capitalism's gotta go, and we need to get rid of the IRS, The fed. reserve, and get back to the gold standard. Pure and simple.


Seriously guys we need to try something new.
Or at least put some new ideas on the plate.
You go first: what's your idea on how to solve our country's problems?
Because the monetary systems fail.
Yeah, they do, if you allow corruption to breed and start printing out money like crazy and let them cause hyperinflation to an astronomical level.


How about many native tribes who lived without money for ages.
What about trying something similar with technology?
(see earlier post ; Native Americans used things that were a good substitute for money, and that could not be manipulated to where things could just be hoarded by a select group of people, and new technologies were not bought up and hidden away in the interests of profit.

[deconstructmyhouse]

Random thoughts as I look through this awesome thread:

The Earth provides everything we NEED that we spend money on. Not everything we want.

WE provide what we need by the sweat of our brow and the ache in our tired bones.  Labor is love made visible.

Money is not bad or evil, love of money IS.
Peter Joseph is a smug idiot with a little idea he's totally invested in.
If you think Alex was out of line, who gave you the crayon to draw lines around him?
I don't listen to Alex because he behaves NIcey nice.   Silver tongue, polite devils have much to hide.  Give me a passionate, screaming out of control, honest man struggling with his humanity, outrage and responsibilities.

AJ has a huge non-christian following and he is staunchly against blind faith hijacked institutionalized forced rapture religion.

I am one of the non-Christian following, and I think AJ absolutely rocks.   I am loyal to those that stand the test of time according to what I think is important.  He has stood the test of time for me, and I will be absolutely loyal to the end.  Meaning, I don't bad mouth, I give benefit of the doubt, I believe in the goodness and honesty of his soul and person, and I treat him in my heart like a friend.  Would I jump off a cliff if he told me to? No, but he wouldnt have stood my test of time if he was the sort that would ever ask that of anyone.

And monetary systems have never worked. They always end up corrupt, period.

It is not the SYSTEM that is corrupt, but the people using it.  It is cyclic. Things work for awhile, then they don't.   Revamp, revolt, renew, return, reinvent, revise:  This life on earth is about CHANGE, get used to it.  It is about constantly revising and reinventing.  That is our imperative, to accept the state of constant change.

Peter Joseph's world is a nightmarish control grid of absolutes and narrow minded visioning.  He needs to accept change as the essential nature of all things, roll with that, or life will break him.  

 





 

[Double]

Your first post in this thread:

Your second post (rock did not even mention you, you just decided that you needed to attack):


And it just goes downhill from there. As far as the US, go back to the constitution and a commodity backed currency.  The NWO scientific technocratic dystopia is a false solution, I think that has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Ok your right I apolagize I didn't even realize it.

However if someone is offended by my first post then maybe they should think about why?

I'm as sick about the neo cons as everyone else.
But I want to see real solutions.
And at least being able to discuss some without being treated like a shill would be a good start.

[Firewerk66]

ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!

gimme a break.

 

[Dig]

My 2 cents without reading all the commentary.



Alex has done more than anyone i've come across in exposing the evil at work.
In fact his memory and uncanny overall talent really impresses me... routinely blowing me away.
I find him genius quite often....... not to mention hilarious. (look at my sig)
In fact much more then any other celebrities i've worked with up here in Vancouver.
AJ is truly a star and a treasure.
Peter Joseph and Zeitgeist have done some amazing mind unlocking as well.
I grew up atheist but see lots of positives in some aspects of religion.
Yesterday seemed like religion had a part to play and it wasn't helpful.
Alex does a great job of exposing the machine and Peter offers some solutions but i personally can't see them happening anytime soon.

The interview yesterday had me with "egg on my face" because i picked yesterday to tell some newbies to tune in.
I'm sorry to say but AJ came off horrible at times no matter how unrealistic some of Josephs utopian idealogy/theories are. It almost sounded like O'Reilly at times.
After telling people to listen to his show and that i get the best information on the planet from AJ i feel quite embarrassed.
I will now have to FORCE them to watch Terrorstorm to balance out their now tainted view.

The day before he seemed like he was a little manic with Tsarion cutting off his sentences more then usual

The amount of work Alex does is ridiculous, combine that with the f**king death threats and the constant pressure of being on the absolute front lines and of course, he is going to have some moments.

It's easy for everyone to have their opinions but think of what it must be like to have Jones's knowledge and the pressure of being Public Enemy Number #1 and getting death threated routinely while being a DAD and a husband

I've kept this from my people but i've had 3 since starting WACV and it's not a good feeling although it does inspire me to work harder.

The AJ haters aren't considering the factors involved in his performance yesterday.

I think he needs a week off with the kids.

Some of you guys disappoint me in how fast you turn on a guy that has a bad interview,

Obviously you don't consider the length and track record AJ has and the personal sacrifice him and his family have made for humanity.

If all you armchair quarterbacks and keyboard warriors actually did something for a change.. interviews like yesterdays wouldn't even be possible. Seriously it's getting tiresome listening to you useless f**ks talk shit and do nothing

All this chat room yapping is bullshit anyway

AJ exposes more of these scum bags than anyone else on the planet and for that i will continue to support him.

We just need to love him and look out for him and his well being.

I hope Trey,Rob and Aaron look out for him and AJ listens to his true crew when they tell him he needs some R+R.

Alex come see me in Vancouver. It's beautiful up here.

DJ Ball, I am at a loss to what part of the interview you are referring to.  I listened to it 3.5 times and I cannot understand how he was unfair to PJ.  He gave PJ over 2 hours of incredible world wide exposure.  He even allowed PJ to make money off of AJ's work.  He has always said for people to see the film and supports others to make other films.  He gave PJ about 50% of the time.  But when PJ went off on an obvious NWO futuristic inspired rant, AJ allowed listeners to understand that these are the same ideals used by NWO to cause institutionalized suffering and genocide.

I would have been really pissed if he would have let stuff like that go.  Also, in the video, AJ seems incredibly composed and seems to have a look on his face of amazing calmness as PJ recites stuff you can find in CFR documents.

Also, most of the Z-heads that attacked AJ have been exposed as using the same talking points as PJ..."WWF methods..." They were not long time listeners.

Anyway, thanks for the input on this expanding thread.

[kenischange]

And what's the cause of poverty?

Many different things can be and are a part of poverty. The existance of a monetary system is not the cause of poverty. Simply removing money from existance is stupidity at its best. There is no one size fits all for any problem. Sorry.

[kenischange]

By the way...for those morons acting like we only go with what Alex says. I saw ZA the night it came out on the web and the following day watched it with friends. I told them from the start to beware and tried to identify these issues to them. Some saw what I saw, some didn't. I didn't wait for Alex to have an opinion on the matter. Thanks!

[Dig]

ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!

gimme a break.

 

we are already immune to the talking points, but nice try anyway.

[Double]

It is not the SYSTEM that is corrupt, but the people using it.  It is cyclic. Things work for awhile, then they don't.   Revamp, revolt, renew, return, reinvent, revise:  This life on earth is about CHANGE, get used to it.  It is about constantly revising and reinventing.  That is our imperative, to accept the state of constant change.

Peter Joseph's world is a nightmarish control grid of absolutes and narrow minded visioning.  He needs to accept change as the essential nature of all things, roll with that, or life will break him. 

I agree and and I also believe that is what being here is all about.
I would not want to live in a utopia on Earth even if it was in the realm of possibility.
I want real change, but I also enjoy hardships and other trials life puts us through.

We are way out of balance right now though.

[donnay]

Supposedly his real name is James Coyman.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/q&a.htm

here is a rumor going around that Peter Joseph's real name is James Coyman. Is this true?

This rumor was started by an anti-zeitgeist website which took GMP LLC and punched it into a NY LLC database. The result is here. What wasn't realized by this party is that "GMP LLC" is a reference entity of a different agent, in a different state.

We apologize to Mr. Coyman if he has been bothered by anyone.

?

[Dig]

By the way...for those morons acting like we only go with what Alex says. I saw ZA the night it came out on the web and the following day watched it with friends. I told them from the start to beware and tried to identify these issues to them. Some saw what I saw, some didn't. I didn't wait for Alex to have an opinion on the matter. Thanks!

That is the same for many members here as documented throughout this forum.  The talking points started immediately as the film was released and I think that yesterday and today's shows exposed it another level.

[kenischange]

ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!

gimme a break.

 

You sir, are yet another retard.

[Rock]

Updated list

Here is the new talking points: 

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ 
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well as most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper
5) solutions rather then fear mongering 
6) at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution?
7) ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years  , and will not listen as much in protest.

[deconstructmyhouse]

I would not want to live in a utopia on Earth even if it was in the realm of possibility.

The exact translation of the Greek word "utopia" is very revealing: it means literally NO place
(U, or OU = Greek for no, not, Topos = Greek for place)

Those Greeks knew what they were talking about.

[Firewerk66]

You sir, are yet another retard.

you sound very intelligent yourself.

[kenischange]

you sound very intelligent yourself.

Thank you.

[agentbluescreen]

Just admit it.  I nailed it.  

So What? Now you have another post? If it has less than two lines it's merely an outburst!

[Firewerk66]

Updated list

Here is the new talking points: 

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ 
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well as most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper
5) solutions rather then fear mongering 
6) at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution?
7) ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years  , and will not listen as much in protest.

thanks for highlighting my post (#7). for the record, i'll still listen for the latest news, but i DID cancel my PP.tv subscription in protest. Also for the record, since this "interview", this message board has turned into a neocon style attack - make fun of people with differing opinions.

[hyperqube]

The exact translation of the Greek word "utopia" is very revealing: it means literally NO place
(U, or OU = Greek for no, not, Topos = Greek for place)

Those Greeks knew what they were talking about.

well, not the Greeks, the word was coined in 1551

[InfoTruth]

It's getting obvious that this movement will break into 2 sects a Christian truth movement and a non believer truth movement and its happening right now. Non believers like David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, Alan Watt and Peter Joseph are being targeted by the Christian fundamentalists for their beliefs and opinion on religion. I'm getting tired of the infighting that's going on here and I honestly don't know how we can fix this. I do know if we go on fighting with each other there is no way the nwo will be stopped.

[sociostudent]

That is the same for many members here as documented throughout this forum.  The talking points started immediately as the film was released and I think that yesterday and today's shows exposed it another level.

Well said, Sane. I know I already knew from the first 5 minutes what was up, because I just knew the movie was going to try and pull on my heartstrings to love all this technology because I won't have to work anymore.

[Firewerk66]

It's getting obvious that this movement will break into 2 sects a Christian truth movement and a non believer truth movement and its happening right now. Non believers like David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, Alan Watt and Peter Joseph are being targeted by the Christian fundamentalists for their beliefs and opinion on religion. I'm getting tired of the infighting that's going on here and I honestly don't know how we can fix this. I do know if we go on fighting with each other there is no way the nwo will be stopped.

Exactly. yesterday changed everything.

[Double]

The exact translation of the Greek word "utopia" is very revealing: it means literally NO place
(U, or OU = Greek for no, not, Topos = Greek for place)

Those Greeks knew what they were talking about.

cheers for that.

[deconstructmyhouse]

well, not the Greeks, the word was coined in 1551

Sorry, Thomas More didn't invent the word; he was a classical scholar himself.  Utopia is a word and concept used extensively throughout ancient Classical Greek literature...(800 bc and forward)
(me a classics major   )

[kenischange]

It's getting obvious that this movement will break into 2 sects a Christian truth movement and a non believer truth movement and its happening right now. Non believers like David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, Alan Watt and Peter Joseph are being targeted by the Christian fundamentalists for their beliefs and opinion on religion. I'm getting tired of the infighting that's going on here and I honestly don't know how we can fix this. I do know if we go on fighting with each other there is no way the nwo will be stopped.

No, it may split us (as I was saying the night I showed ZA to my friends, I said "this will split us"), but not along atheist vs christian or atheist vs religion or everyone vs christian. This is NEW AGE bullcrap. It will highlight the new agers (many of whom also claim to be christian and, of course, many hindus and others) and they will tend to split off. I think.

[Dig]

It's getting obvious that this movement will break into 2 sects a Christian truth movement and a non believer truth movement and its happening right now. Non believers like David Icke, Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tsarion, Alan Watt and Peter Joseph are being targeted by the Christian fundamentalists for their beliefs and opinion on religion. I'm getting tired of the infighting that's going on here and I honestly don't know how we can fix this. I do know if we go on fighting with each other there is no way the nwo will be stopped.

Sorry dude, we already exposed the NWO architects that have created these false factions.  AJ has a huge number of non-christian followings and atheists/agnostics can see that Z and especially ZA represent a one world scientific technocratic religion.  Sorry but the whole "this interview split the movement" talking point has also been exposed as an NWO ploy.  For more look at the overwhelming empirical evidence including...

Yup they are creating the left/right paradigm...

Zeitgeist atheists v. AJ bible thumpers...

Unfortunately for the NWO architects of these false paradigms, AJ has a huge non-christian following and he is staunchly against blind faith hijacked institutionalized forced rapture religion.  And, Zeitgeist goes against atheist pricipals as it creates a new technocratic religion. Just look at how obvious the creation of the left/right paradigm is:

The false blind faith hijacked institutionalized forced rapture AJ zealot:

Yeah Says:
October 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

f**k yeah Alex is the f**king king. Atheist you all got owned lol God will put you in hell after Armageddon if you dont go to church n repent to jesus.
We christians must fight harder now. Buy food and weapons. we can fight satans army till rapture.

Gives rise to the fake z-head "atheist" that has no idea what atheism is:

White Knight Says:
October 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

To all that support Alex, this is why you are laughed at and ignored? And will be forever? Go to Church and be happy with your sad little emotional resolve you need to feel like our lives really have a purpose. Go to Iraq for a few, did those people get to go to heaven? lolol 12% of the worlds population is Christian, that means the rest go to hell. Right?

[Dig]

Exactly. yesterday changed everything.

that I definitely agree with, Z and ZA have been thoroughly exposed as a false movement guided by one hundred year old NWO elitest plans outlined thoroughly in HG Wells books and CFR/Bilderberg documents.

The Z world should be called the Brzezynsky world.

[Firewerk66]

that I definitely agree with, Z and ZA have been thoroughly exposed as a false movement guided by one hundred year old NWO elitest plans outlined thoroughly in HG Wells books and CFR/Bilderberg documents.

The Z world should be called the Brzezynsky world.

oversimplified, misunderstood, hyperbole right here. so far from the actual position of the films its not even funny.

[Dig]

oversimplified,misunderstood, hyperbole right here.

and yet completely accurate, amazing isn't it


oops, you added a sentence...

oversimplified,misunderstood, hyperbole right here.  so far from the actual position of the films its not even funny.

the position of the film is that traditional values, constructs, matrixes must be dissolved to make way for a one world resource based scientific technocracy.

how is this not the same as what the CFR/UN/Bilderberg have been fighting for for over 50 years?

how does this differ from NWO eugenecists' plans?

Here is an exact quote from yesterday's interview:

PJ - "It is the intelligent management of the world's resources is needed....The ideology that will construct our New World so to speak is an ideology based on resource management as denoted to the SCIENTIFIC METHOD."

[birgit]

that I definitely agree with, Z and ZA have been thoroughly exposed as a false movement guided by one hundred year old NWO elitest plans outlined thoroughly in HG Wells books and CFR/Bilderberg documents.

The Z world should be called the Brzezynsky world.

ROFL
But Z is easier to pronounce

[InfoTruth]

Sorry dude, we already exposed the NWO architects that have created these false factions.  AJ has a huge number of non-christian followings and atheists/agnostics can see that Z and especially ZA represent a one world scientific technocratic religion.  Sorry but the whole "this interview split the movement" talking point has also been exposed as an NWO ploy.  For more look at the overwhelming empirical evidence including...

Gives rise to the fake z-head "atheist" that has no idea what atheism is:

Can't someone have an opinion without it being called an NWO ploy? Those are just wild speculations, if you have any proof that Zeitgeist came out to divide this movement and this was an NWO ploy then you should show it. Peter Joseph actually believes what he says in the film,does that make him an agent? Of course I don't agree with it all and it sounds a little fishy but I'm not going to call him an agent just because of his beliefs.

[toto]

When the 'Z' dust settles down in a few months after Bush and the dual citizens set off the next false flag terror event shutting down the US internet (PJ's launch platform) and nothing of PJ's dream comes about, what will be the score - Quo Bono?

Christians -1
Antichrists +1

Why doesn't PJ "expose" Judaism in his anti-religious "art" lessons?

What stands out even more is the deafening silence from the ADL and other Jewish bodies whom have remained quite in the face of this boy's anti-religious "art" collection.

[Double]

that I definitely agree with, Z and ZA have been thoroughly exposed as a false movement guided by one hundred year old NWO elitest plans outlined thoroughly in HG Wells books and CFR/Bilderberg documents.

The Z world should be called the Brzezynsky world.

I agree that much of what was said is false. I don't like the cultist feel of project venus.
I disagree with much of what Peter thinks about the controllers and his view on the cause of evil.
But I do not think Peter or Z is NWO controlled. I think he means well but needs to do his homework in many many areas.

[DJ BALL]

DJ Ball, I am at a loss to what part of the interview you are referring to.  I listened to it 3.5 times and I cannot understand how he was unfair to PJ.  He gave PJ over 2 hours of incredible world wide exposure.  He even allowed PJ to make money off of AJ's work.  He has always said for people to see the film and supports others to make other films.  He gave PJ about 50% of the time.  But when PJ went off on an obvious NWO futuristic inspired rant, AJ allowed listeners to understand that these are the same ideals used by NWO to cause institutionalized suffering and genocide.

I would have been really pissed if he would have let stuff like that go.  Also, in the video, AJ seems incredibly composed and seems to have a look on his face of amazing calmness as PJ recites stuff you can find in CFR documents.

Also, most of the Z-heads that attacked AJ have been exposed as using the same talking points as PJ..."WWF methods..." They were not long time listeners.

Anyway, thanks for the input on this expanding thread.

Just my honest take on it Sane.
I didn't watch just listened.
Peter J's dream world can be destroyed easily without the antics. Project Venus ? lol. Humans will always dream of a better world....is that NWO ?
Obviously AJ's base knows this....but what about the people that don't really know who either man is.
You know how down i am for AJ....every video WAC Vancouver makes we credit his websites because we believe in him and his message.
We will continue to do so in the future.

[Dig]

Can't someone have an opinion without it being called an NWO ploy? Those are just wild speculations, if you have any proof that Zeitgeist came out to divide this movement and this was an NWO ploy then you should show it. Peter Joseph actually believes what he says in the film,does that make him an agent? Of course I don't agree with it all and it sounds a little fishy but I'm not going to call him an agent just because of his beliefs.

uh, I never said that Z was meant to divide the movement, I am saying that the trolling talking points obviously expose that these "for hire" trolls are pushing for a division because they completely failed in hijacking the movement.  This is very simple psyops warfare.  It is exposed and it therefore is impotent.  It is not the film, opinion, etc.  Just look at the posts one right after the other.  That is how to create division, it is elementary.

[DJ BALL]

Exactly. yesterday changed everything.

No offense but that's total b.s.

"everything changed yesterday"    

maybe your world has come crashing down but tomorrows a new day friend.