Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[Double]

The earth DOES NOT provide the hard work to produce something useful/usable by the labor and time of humans. That labor and management of nature to provide a product is traded to someone else through barter. Money is an abstraction of barter and is fine. What is NOT fine is corruption, including predatory lending and predatory fractional reserve banking.

Done, next.

Your right and I should have rephrased what I said.
The Earth provides everything we NEED that we spend money on. Not everything we want.
And monetary systems have never worked.
They always end up corrupt, period.

[Rock]

Hey Rock, you forgot about the talking point where anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshipper.

Thanks Double link for not letting us step over that impotant Karl Rovesque talking point.

Ok, I will add that to the list.  I missed that one.



Rock

[kenischange]

Your right and I should have rephrased what I said.
The Earth provides everything we NEED that we spend money on. Not everything we want.
And monetary systems have never worked.
They always end up corrupt, period.

You apparently have no idea how retarded you are, huh?

[Rock]

I was wondering where this nest of vipers came from? You have a new movement and the zealots come out to play.

Note to all the Zeitgeist, attacking others beliefs will not validate your cult.

There is a few hardcore worshipers of ZA left.  We will see if the talking points remain or are expanded.



Rock

[Dig]

Your right and I should have rephrased what I said.
The Earth provides everything we NEED that we spend money on. Not everything we want.
And monetary systems have never worked.
They always end up corrupt, period.

wow, how nebulously insightful.  I especially love your signature.  Are you planning on gathering for Carousel, er, I mean Z-Day?

[Jackson Holly]

I don't think Peter is a shill.
He has some good points, one being money is a root cause of much of the shit we see today.
Money is used as a means to control us, and nothing else.
Everything we spend money on is something that the Earth provides for us anyways!
It's an illusion that we need it!

I really don't like the name Project Venus though, it sets off many warning bells with me.
It sounds like a Cult for 1.

But seriously guys, just because someone wants to try a society without money does not mean he is a commie or shill.

And also Alex was way out of line in that interview.

So many of you won't even form your own opinions, instead you settle on someone elses.
This is why we are in the mess we are in today! Or partly why.

Well, I think you did a good job in getting out all those talking points. I only have time right now to tackle one:

"Money is used as a means to control us, and nothing else.
Everything we spend money on is something that the Earth provides for us anyways!
It's an illusion that we need it!"

The UTOPIANS/Illuminati would put everybody on the 'dole' (antique word for it) - the people (workers/consumers as they call us) would own nothing ... the elite would own everything, which is the drive afoot today with the economic 'crisis'.

Man, your Utopia looks a hell of a lot like a slave plantation to me. Get wise man, you are on the wrong side.

[Double]

wow, how nebulously insightful.  I especially love your signature.  Are you planning on gathering for Carousel, er, I mean Z-Day?

Does insulting people make you feel better?

[Rock]

Your right and I should have rephrased what I said.
The Earth provides everything we NEED that we spend money on. Not everything we want.
And monetary systems have never worked.
They always end up corrupt, period.

However, if your unreality (PJ's) becomes reality, will someone save me a spot on the top floor of the biggest building.  I don't know who you got to mind meld with to get that spot, but I want it.  And, I like to draw pictures with crayons for a living.  That should get me to the top.




Rock

[kenischange]

There is an obvious move to co-opt and hijack the truth/anti-corruption/anti-NWO movement going on here.

[Dig]

Here is another one of my favorite Zeitbusted quotes from yesterday's interview:

PJ: "I know about the Bohemian Grove; I am very familiar with all of this. I know about the occult orders, they existed for a long time. They are just a bunch of little clubs jockeying for their own ideological and personal power."

Little Cubs?

Wow, the thule society is a little club?

Amazingly revealing interview.  A transcript would really expose everything.

AWESOME INTERVIEW!

[Dig]

Does insulting people make you feel better?

what insult, I genuinely believe that your post was nebulously insightful.  Are you saying it was not? I was also genuinely curious if you were going to partake in the communal carousel. Are you?

[Double]

You apparently have no idea how retarded you are, huh?

I know how retarted the society we live in today is, you fail.
Seriously, all the people who work spend there money on what?
What if it was all freely availible.
Alex himself says that people like to work.
You stepped out of one box, try moving out of another.

Anyways I'm bringing up points, and I never said I agree with Z or Venus.
You guys are acting just like Alex did with Peter (wonder why). Insulting and ridiculing anyone who brings up a discussion.

Were on the same side.

At least someone SUGGEST(look that word up) solutions rather then fear mongering.

[Double]

However, if your unreality (PJ's) becomes reality, will someone save me a spot on the top floor of the biggest building.  I don't know who you got to mind meld with to get that spot, but I want it.  And, I like to draw pictures with crayons for a living.  That should get me to the top.

Plus, throw in a BMW, Shakira, a bottle of 200-year-old scotch.  If I can't have that than the heck with my ZA fantasy. 



Rock

You can have that spot I don't want it.
Not everyone wants the same thing and there is plenty to go around.

Enjoy your eternal slavery.

[Rock]

I know how retarted the society we live in today is, you fail.
Seriously, all the people who work spend there money on what?
What if it was all freely availible.
Alex himself says that people like to work.
You stepped out of one box, try moving out of another.

Anyways I'm bringing up points, and I never said I agree with Z or Venus.
You guys are acting just like Alex did with Peter (wonder why). Insulting and ridiculing anyone who brings up a discussion.

Were on the same side.

At least someone SUGGEST(look that word up) solutions rather then fear mongering.

Fear mongering!  Now I did forget to put that on the talking point list.  

Back to the list

[Dig]

I know how retarted the society we live in today is, you fail.
Seriously, all the people who work spend there money on what?
What if it was all freely availible.
Alex himself says that people like to work.
You stepped out of one box, try moving out of another.

Anyways I'm bringing up points, and I never said I agree with Z or Venus.
You guys are acting just like Alex did with Peter (wonder why). Insulting and ridiculing anyone who brings up a discussion.

Were on the same side.

At least someone SUGGEST(look that word up) solutions rather then fear mongering.

Rock additional talking point (this is a Neo-Con favorite):

"at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution."

AJ has made like 10 films and wrote a book exposing NWO and offering a multitude of solutions.  There are a number of solutions presented within this thread and it is not eerily similar to the Rockefeller/Rothschild futuristic scientific technocracy as is pushed in Zeitibaby and Zeitibaby Redundent.

Also remember that this Karl Rove talking point was used to justify the Patriot Act, The surges, and the bailout.

[Rock]

Sane, I must also point out we have never in our history had so many people Join PP forums just to tell us how bad the interview was.

Here is the new talking points:  

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ  
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper (added later than original post)
5) solutions rather then fear mongering  (added later than original post)

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years , and will not listen as much in protest.  


I need to start checking IP's again,

List has been updated.

[kenischange]

At least someone SUGGEST(look that word up) solutions rather then fear mongering.

So, if 1 solution is offered, who cares what it is...just do it because it is there? What kind of cattle are you?

[Double]

Rock additional talking point (this is a Neo-Con favorite):

"at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution."

AJ has made like 10 films and wrote a book exposing NWO and offering a multitude of solutions.  There are a number of solutions presented within this thread and it is not eerily similar to the futuristic scientific technocracy as is pushed in Zeitibaby and Zeitibaby Redundent.

Haha I'm a neo now am I. You need to change you user name.
I despise power and control. If that makes me a neo con that ok I am one.
As for the mighty Alex and his solution.
I challenge you to name 1 monetary system that hasn't turned corrupt. In all of HIS-story.
Name 1.
You can't.
So the solution leads to more corruption.
Who's the neo con?

[Rock]

Here is the new talking points:  

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ  
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well as most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper
5) solutions rather then fear mongering  
6) at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution?
7) ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years  , and will not listen as much in protest.  

[Double]

So, if 1 solution is offered, who cares what it is...just do it because it is there? What kind of cattle are you?

You forgot to read that I don't support Z or Venus.
So whats your point?

This is fun.
mooo

[simjamlmx]

I'm with alex jones on this because what peter joseph is talking about wether he likes it or not is a eutopia and it's ridiculous. Its like the clergy using romans 13 and saying don't fight government everything willl be ok if you just do this or that.  ridiculous.  

[Dig]

Haha I'm a neo now am I. You need to change you user name.
I despise power and control. If that makes me a neo con that ok I am one.
As for the mighty Alex and his solution.
I challenge you to name 1 monetary system that hasn't turned corrupt. In all of HIS-story.
Name 1.
You can't.
So the solution leads to more corruption.
Who's the neo con?

uh...the pre 1913 US monetary system that allowed a 130 year old country to challenge the thousands of year old empires?

Just a guess. I am not an expert on monetary policy and AJ does not talk about "A" solution, he talks about a multitude of solutions stemming from education, awareness, confrontation, exposure, limited government, local power, local responsibility, love, generocity, commitment, integrity, ethics, morals, etc.

What show were you listening to?

PS: I said that the talking point "at least he has a solution" is a neo-con favorite talking point.  I have no clue whether or not you are a neo-con, but you did come in attacking without (obviously) reading a majority of the posts within this thread. 

[kenischange]

Double, nobody is arguing that corruption is good. But it is like a gun. 100% of murders committed with a gun does not equate to guns should be made to not exist with fairy dust. That is what Peter J. and the Venus Project promote...some fairy dust to magically make all human greed and power lust and corruption disappear, without said fairy dust there is no Venus Project. What they are talking about is idealistic, simplistic, childish ridiculousness. We can comprehend what they are saying and dreaming, but we also comprehend reality...yes, reality is full of control grids/matrixes, but money (in the pure sense) is NOT control, it is empowerment of people to interact and trade things...and not just unneeded things, but basic things too.

[donnay]

I would like to know what Peter Joseph's REAL name is?

[John Gault]

You forgot to read that I don't support Z or Venus.
So whats your point?

This is fun.
mooo

[birgit]

And monetary systems have never worked.
They always end up corrupt, period.

Blaming money for corrupt people's actions is like blaming the car in a drunk driving killing.
That is way beyond naive, more like criminally ignorant.
Even in this Utopian fantasy some one would have to work....
to fix the stuff that breaks...
again leaving some people open to exploitation

People make choices, have free will....even if everything was free, someone would hord stuff.
because greed is human  in nature, not monetary
AJ called it like it is!

[kenischange]

I would like to know what Peter Joseph's REAL name is?

Supposedly his real name is James Coyman.

[sociostudent]

Sane, I must also point out we have never in our history had so many people Join PP forums just to tell us how bad the interview was.

Here is the new talking points:  

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ  
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper (added later than original post)
5) solutions rather then fear mongering  (added later than original post)
6) at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution?

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years , and will not listen as much in protest.  


I need to start checking IP's again,



Rock

I agree...it just seems unnaturally in PJ's favor.

[Double]

uh...the pre 1913 US monetary system that allowed a 130 year old country to challenge the thousands of year old empires?

Just a guess. I am not an expert on monetary policy and AJ does not talk about "A" solution, he talks about a multitude of solutions stemming from education, awareness, confrontation, exposure, limited government, local power, local responsibility, love, generocity, commitment, integrity, ethics, morals, etc.

What show were you listening to?

PS: I said that the talking point "at least he has a solution" is a neo-con favorite talking point.  I have no clue whether or not you are a neo-con, but you did come in attacking without (obviously) reading a majority of the posts within this thread. 

Show me one post where I attacked that wasn't defending a previous attack against myself.

And I also said name one system that hasn't turned corrupt.
The Corporation of the United States of America is now corrupt.

Seriously guys we need to try something new.
Or at least put some new ideas on the plate.
Because the monetary systems fail.

How about many native tribes who lived without money for ages.
What about trying something similar with technology?

[Double]

Blaming money for corrupt people's actions is like blaming the car in a drunk driving killing.

I grew up in poverty and in the second most violent place in Canada. At least at the time it was.
I can tell you right now (from experience) that many crimes committed were for money, or the lack thereof, and nothing else

[kenischange]

Show me one post where I attacked that wasn't defending a previous attack against myself.

And I also said name one system that hasn't turned corrupt.
The Corporation of the United States of America is now corrupt.

Seriously guys we need to try something new.
Or at least put some new ideas on the plate.
Because the monetary systems fail.

How about many native tribes who lived without money for ages.
What about trying something similar with technology?

The native american tribes had a monetary system using trinkets or in the purer instances, pure barter. They did not let other tribes just come and take what they wanted without exchange of value.

[kenischange]

I grew up in poverty and in the second most violent place in Canada. At least at the time it was.
I can tell you right now (from experience) that many crimes committed were for money, or the lack thereof, and nothing else

Sure, that truth does not mean money is the problem. It means poverty is a HUGE problem. The two are not the same issue.

[Double]

Double, nobody is arguing that corruption is good. But it is like a gun. 100% of murders committed with a gun does not equate to guns should be made to not exist with fairy dust. That is what Peter J. and the Venus Project promote...some fairy dust to magically make all human greed and power lust and corruption disappear, without said fairy dust there is no Venus Project. What they are talking about is idealistic, simplistic, childish ridiculousness. We can comprehend what they are saying and dreaming, but we also comprehend reality...yes, reality is full of control grids/matrixes, but money (in the pure sense) is NOT control, it is empowerment of people to interact and trade things...and not just unneeded things, but basic things too.

Reality is a matter of consciousness, nothing more, nothing less.

If we we're in that reality right now, then the one we are currently immersed in would seem just a ludicrous. Probably much more so.

[kenischange]

Reality is a matter of consciousness, nothing more, nothing less.

If we we're in that reality right now, then the one we are currently immersed in would seem just a ludicrous. Probably much more so.

Yeah, so let's all meditate to the collectivist hive mind and change reality. Let us know when you're finished.

[lazarus]

NWO must be realy pissed off that the military and police support Ron Paul over any other politician.  They are defintely planning on scapegoating the military and police for the crimes of the bureaucrats as exposed in the 1990's Illuminati card game and the Denver Murals.

Yeah man! What a great job Alex did today and yesterday too. Alex has great instincts.

[Rock]

Reality is a matter of consciousness, nothing more, nothing less.

If we we're in that reality right now, then the one we are currently immersed in would seem just a ludicrous. Probably much more so.

Sounds like Mescaline (matrix drug).  Kool!

[Double]

Sure, that truth does not mean money is the problem. It means poverty is a HUGE problem. The two are not the same issue.

And what's the cause of poverty?

[Double]

Yeah, so let's all meditate to the collectivist hive mind and change reality. Let us know when you're finished.

Who said those words?
Look in the mirror friend.

[Double]

Sounds like Mescaline (matrix drug).  Kool!

Oh have you tried it?
Nah your trying to be smart and funny all at once.
GJ you winned!

[Dig]

Show me one post where I attacked that wasn't defending a previous attack against myself.

And I also said name one system that hasn't turned corrupt.
The Corporation of the United States of America is now corrupt.

Seriously guys we need to try something new.
Or at least put some new ideas on the plate.
Because the monetary systems fail.

How about many native tribes who lived without money for ages.
What about trying something similar with technology?

Your first post in this thread:

I don't think Peter is a shill.
He has some good points, one being money is a root cause of much of the shit we see today.
Money is used as a means to control us, and nothing else.
Everything we spend money on is something that the Earth provides for us anyways!
It's an illusion that we need it!

I really don't like the name Project Venus though, it sets off many warning bells with me.
It sounds like a Cult for 1.

But seriously guys, just because someone wants to try a society without money does not mean he is a commie or shill.

And also Alex was way out of line in that interview.

So many of you won't even form your own opinions, instead you settle on someone elses.
This is why we are in the mess we are in today! Or partly why.

Your second post (rock did not even mention you, you just decided that you needed to attack):

The fact that you judge people based on how many posts they have rather then information is the scary thing.

Alex rocks, but he can make mistakes, so stop treating your god like hes infallible.

Or better yet, stop treating him like a god.

And it just goes downhill from there. As far as the US, go back to the constitution and a commodity backed currency.  The NWO scientific technocratic dystopia is a false solution, I think that has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.