Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[Dig]

One thing that is undeniable: in the last 100 years or more the biggest increase of freedom for the world is the internet, which is obviously technology. If someone had thought of it before it happened, it probably wouldn't even exist. The fact that it happened gradually and grew over time is what stopped the government or corporations from intervening. By the time they realized how much freedom it gave us, it was too late. Of course, they are still trying to figure out how to remove this freedom as we speak.

point of order here...

The Internet was invented as a defense system by the government.  It was invented to make sure that communication could continue in the event that a nuclear war blew out critical communication bottlenecks.  It ensured that communication could still take place.  But yes, they are still trying to control what they let loose and it does provide quite a bit of freedom.

[zeke105]

Actually, after thinking on this a bit. Both movies are very divisive. When I watched the first Zeitgeist, I liked the whole movie, but it did seem the first part was counterproductive to the ultimate cause. It never made sense why he would put that in there especially at the beginning. I am not judging the author's intentions because I don't know him personally, but I can see that a Christian watching the first film would immediately hate it during the first part (historical Jesus) since it goes against all of their core values, but the Atheist would probably immediately love it since it validates everything they view as truth.

The second one was a bit more subtle, but the Venus stuff made me laugh considering how unrealistic it is at this stage in man's evolution. The end of this one would also create the same effect as the first movie.

[noxium]

There are people who like the film, while disagreeing with some things in it.

I see no difference in the debate non religious vs. religious than to the left right paradigm. Each side better stop trying to control the other or you can kiss all this Freedom SH!t goodbye.

I like the movie, I am not Christian, and I do not agree with every idea in the movie for it is the idea of someone else not my own ideas. AJ is also wrong on certain things in my opinion but yet I still listen to him and respect him. I just do not agree with everything he says either, so is he NWO? NO!

[Dig]

This belongs here... I will break my silence with this...

The appearance of Zeitgeist, and Zeitgeist Addendum on youtube and Google, has prompted a huge amount of debate among the membership here... I have pretty much stayed out of these arguments, though I have watched virtually all of them... many of which have in some cases escalated to shrill shouting matches. I would stay only to moderate and not to post... primarily because, my opinion after a few posts, has been seen in the past as "moderator abuse", especially when I begin to make my points... this usually happens when the debate is heated...

With that said, the fact that on today's show (10-08-08), Alex decided to broach the subject and analyze parts of the movies, giving his attention to a portion of what I see is one of the finest examples of a Trojan horse, that the New World order could have possibly created. Both movies are well crafted, and contain all of the latest technological, spiritual, and psychological talking points, that people see as solutions to the problems that are facing us today. Most of which are actually correct methods that will work, if allowed to run unregulated by government or corporate power, and controlled only by natural market forces. These technologies could be a true boon for humanity.

However, these movies "very subtly" divide people, based upon religion, economic condition, and other things related to philosophical view by subtly tearing down our differences, as irrelevant  ... then the narrator weaves the observer into the collective mind set that all humans are violent and flawed and essentially need "Gort" like control all in favor of technology and machines which are spun as superior... As Alex pointed out, the solutions to each of the problems are always shown as collective and centralized solutions... they are not seen as decentralized or independent efforts, individuality is seen as flawed. Not at all the way the inventors, or original discoverers of new technology saw their development or their creation. The inventor mostly seeks greater independence for those who buy and use their brainchild.

The bottom line is there is about 80% good stuff in both movies... which could confuse the uninitiated into thinking that everything that is concluded in both movies is correct and good... they tug on you emotionally... should we fought for, and if need be die for these ideas..? These movies both carry this kind of conclusive energy... this is the danger of the Zeitgeist's... Like rat poison, which is 95% good and wholesome food... it is also 5% arsenic. if you don't separate the poison from the food and you ingest it, you will likely die!

The Zeitgeist's are not for the novice Truther/Patriot... it fills the newbie with what amounts to time release poison pills, along with the food. These find there way into area's of the conscious and sub-conscious mind that are needed for understanding our battle against the NWO bastids... Once they take root, the poison pill opinions formed are actually contrary to the liberty/patriot/truth movement's goals... These opinions are very hard to eradicate or change, because they are strongly attached to the individual desire to defeat the NWO, yet the methods and solutions shown play right into the hands of the globalists.

The control freak religion has many denominations, but all of them use some form of subtlety and suggestibility along with apparent respectability in their quest to gain control. Whether witting or unwitting these movies, like other collectivist utopist efforts, all ultimately bow to the NWO... and not to the cause of Liberty... IMHO.

JTCoyoté

“Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek
it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding
the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth.
And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always
create the most hellish tyrannies.”
~Barry Goldwater

About time you chimed in. geeeez

[Saturn]

See, that's the problem with this whole 'truther' thing. People go off the deep end and see everything as a threat. "Eliminate religion! Why, you, you NWO PUPPET YOU! BE GONE FROM HERE!" I think what ZA and Project Venus wants is to eliminate anything that keeps us separate from each other and/or fighting with each other. Sorry, but religion is a serious, SERIOUS culprit in this regard. And for what? Silly superstitions that keep people in a state of mental infancy and encourages ignoring evidence that goes against their beliefs? Greed and money is also a major culprit in this as well as the concept of scarcity as mentioned in the movie. I mean hell all you have to do is look at the dating game. Men are ready to cut each others' throats just to get a girl because they believe there's a scarce amount of available women. Same with the job situation(except there actually is a scarcity in jobs, worthwhile jobs at least) Destroying religion and uniting the world is a major part of the elites' plan, yes, but so is cleaning up the earth(for their personal benefit of course). Why don't you attack all those who are for cleaning up the earth? Why don't you attack environmentalists and call them NWO trolls and puppets? After all, the NWO has the same goals as they do right? See the holes in that logic?

Quite frankly, even by some miracle the elites' plan ends up being thwarted, it's only a matter of time before some other bunch of tyrants decide they want to run shit and take over. Look at civilization for the last few thousand years. The same f**king shit. People rising to power, people consolidating their power then people abusing their power. The same, exact, shit, all the time, every time. The symptoms aren't the problem. The problem is the problem, and the problem causes the symptoms and we have to ask ourselves why do we keep finding ourselves in this shithole as a world every single millenia? Sure, the project venus thing isn't perfect, and those generic looking cities look deppressing, but the core idea is noble, and until we rid ourselves of the causes of our behavior, we will never move on as a species. As long as there are barriers, the ego, competition, we'll be stuck in the mud for all frickin' eternity and we'll be constantly struggling and fighting against those who want to control. Have fun.

[Dig]

There are people who like the film, while disagreeing with some things in it.

I see no difference in the debate non religious vs. religious than to the left right paradigm. Each side better stop trying to control the other or you can kiss all this Freedom SH!t goodbye.

I like the movie, I am not Christian, and I do not agree with every idea in the movie for it is the idea of someone else not my own ideas. AJ is also wrong on certain things in my opinion but yet I still listen to him and respect him. I just do not agree with everything he says either, so is he NWO? NO!

Dude, you make waaaaaaay too much sense!

[Biggs]

I am inclined to agree with Coyote,

both movies, especially Addendum, are more suitable for more well versed truthers than newbies, and do idneed needlessly divide with regard to religion. To attack the organised dominionist religious institutions would have been a wise and true service, but instead BELIEF itself is attacked which is not reasonable (even though I do not believe there is a line between institutions and institutional power and belief)

Further, the Huxlian Venus group have many good suggestions technology wise, things to be aspired to, but clearly suffer from some sort of utopianist/Huxley fantasy and provide no help whatsoever in getting us to a resource rich world where welath is not hoarded by less than 1% of the population to the often lethal detriment of much of the other 99.99%.

The stuff on debt creation and the Fed was excellent, no complaints there at all.

But a group looking for a future of peace freedom and harmony would be better to NOT call themselves Venus anything, Venus is worshipped as Simiramis/Isis and the is plenty of evidence that key NWo events are linked by a cvode with 1, 3 and 0 in it to Venus/earth conjunction days (of which there are 5 every 8 years forming a pentagram in the celestial sky - hence the occult value of the pentagram - also 5+8 = 13)

So immediatley calling themselves project Venus suggests they are controlled by some less than pleasant power group.

Althugh I must stress I doubt very much if the people within project Venus itself have any idea they are controlled or think that whoever funds them is just a nice old benefactor.

but as stated above the film was mostly great and raised worthwile points, just a damned shame that they so obviously erred on one or two major talking points thus radically reducing the value of what they were saying the rest of the time.

[Dig]

See, that's the problem with this whole 'truther' thing. People go off the deep end and see everything as a threat. "Eliminate religion! Why, you, you NWO PUPPET YOU! BE GONE FROM HERE!" I think what ZA and Project Venus wants is to eliminate anything that keeps us separate from each other and/or fighting with each other. Sorry, but religion is a serious, SERIOUS culprit in this regard. And for what? Silly superstitions that keep people in a state of mental infancy and encourages ignoring evidence that goes against their beliefs? Greed and money is also a major culprit in this as well as the concept of scarcity as mentioned in the movie. I mean hell all you have to do is look at the dating game. Men are ready to cut each others' throats just to get a girl because they believe there's a scarce amount of available women. Same with the job situation(except there actually is a scarcity in jobs, worthwhile jobs at least) Destroying religion and uniting the world is a major part of the elites' plan, yes, but so is cleaning up the earth(for their personal benefit of course). Why don't you attack all those who are for cleaning up the earth? Why don't you attack environmentalists and call them NWO trolls and puppets? After all, the NWO has the same goals as they do right? See the holes in that logic?

Quite frankly, even by some miracle the elites' plan ends up being thwarted, it's only a matter of time before some other bunch of tyrants decide they want to run shit and take over. Look at civilization for the last few thousand years. The same f**king shit. People rising to power, people consolidating their power then people abusing their power. The same, exact, shit, all the time, every time. The symptoms aren't the problem. The problem is the problem, and the problem causes the symptoms and we have to ask ourselves why do we keep finding ourselves in this shithole as a world every single millenia? Sure, the project venus thing isn't perfect, and those generic looking cities look deppressing, but the core idea is noble, and until we rid ourselves of the causes of our behavior, we will never move on as a species. As long as there are barriers, the ego, competition, we'll be stuck in the mud for all frickin' eternity and we'll be constantly struggling and fighting against those who want to control. Have fun.

learn about the power of doing nothing:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=63236.0

We do not need to keep being their cannon fodder for their architected wars.

[operation_b]

Yeah, except that thread about doing nothing glosses over all the things Ghandi did do.  He didn't do nothing.  He did quite a bit, including wearing traditional indian clothes to avoid the westernization of his people, organized over two dozen protests, gave hundreds of speeches, and failed to have children (NWO wins if your kids don't exist).

And- even the people who work on the Venus project admit it isn't perfect.  I happen to think it's the best idea presented this far…

[thrashbassist]

I'm about as anti-religion as you can get, but I don't see how technology and religion are clashing (save a few small instances). Also, the majority of people who are running this global tyranny are not Christians, or Muslims, or Atheists. They are (for the most part) hardcore occultists and power hungry scum (not saying that the occult is inherently good or bad, but we know the purposes for which they use it). So I think the whole "blame this group for all of the world's problems" BS isn't getting us anywhere.

Also, while I enjoyed the first Zeitgeist, taking any film with a grain of salt is always a good idea. Addendum seems to be filled with Platoist pipe-dreams that are so completely contrary to human nature. Not digging it at all.

[Wanted]

Like rat poison, which is 95% good and wholesome food... it is also 5% arsenic.

Agreed

[Dig]

i know the history. he broke away from Theosophy at a young age....and if you actually READ his "teachings", you'll find his view on humanity and the world practically "christ-like" but without all the trappings of religious dogma.

I am no fan of religious dogma, but I do not think that the "trappings" of the pederast Leadbetter are a solution.

[desim]

How can anyone believe this crap about the solution to the world crisis - technology!? Robots and AI will save us??

The way for our well being leads in the complete opposite direction. Giving power to the individual and blossoming of the individual consciousness.

We need to dethrone evil people that steal, dumb down, kill and torture general population from ages. Whoever is sincere don't distract yourselves. This is personal, human matter - us against them (us against evil in us). Everything else is just tools. Like fire - depending who is in charge it can burn house or cook meal.

[Dig]

Yeah, except that thread about doing nothing glosses over all the things Ghandi did do.  He didn't do nothing.  He did quite a bit, including wearing traditional indian clothes to avoid the westernization of his people, organized over two dozen protests, gave hundreds of speeches, and failed to have children (NWO wins if your kids don't exist).

And- even the people who work on the Venus project admit it isn't perfect.  I happen to think it's the best idea presented this far…

I do not think that you went to the website or you would have seen that the power to do nothing is one of the greatest powers in the world and stops the NWO dead in their tracks. It is the power of non-violent resistence.

As far as the venus project being the best idea presented...

perhaps you should read the constitution.

[Loungin]

perhaps you should read the constitution.

One major loophole in the Constitution.  It remains neutral on the monitary issue.  The central banks have slipped through many times.

Close this loophole and I would agree that the Constitution is a viable solution.  We also need to address the growth rate of government.  It is completely out of hand and the Constitution hasn't prevented it from happening.

[operation_b]

One major loophole in the Constitution.  It remains neutral on the monitary issue.  The central banks have slipped through many times.

Close this loophole and I would agree that the Constitution is a viable solution.  We also need to address the growth rate of government.  It is completely out of hand and the Constitution hasn't prevented it from happening.

There's quite a few loopholes.  And things not even mentioned.  The constitution didn't cover what might happen when we, you know, invent intercontinental nukes.

And Sane, don't make me hate you by saying stupid shit like I should read the Constitution.  I end up reading in once a week already to people who are waking up.  Mostly the Declaration of Independence though, since it's basically a checklist of what's going on right now.

I'm ready to live in a world without money, government, governance, leaders, preachers, and the lot.  I could fully live by the edict "do unto others" and I already do everyday.  People who have known me for a long time say that they have seen my evolution from a pice of shit teenager to a person who doesn't need to be kept in line because I don't have envy, jealousy, avarice or a self centered view of things.  F**k profit.  I can't survive or be happy if my neighbors can't.

[Rock]

This belongs here... I will break my silence with this...

The appearance of Zeitgeist, and Zeitgeist Addendum on youtube and Google, has prompted a huge amount of debate among the membership here... I have pretty much stayed out of these arguments, though I have watched virtually all of them... many of which have in some cases escalated to shrill shouting matches. I would stay only to moderate and not to post... primarily because, my opinion after a few posts, has been seen in the past as "moderator abuse", especially when I begin to make my points... this usually happens when the debate is heated...

With that said, the fact that on today's show (10-08-08), Alex decided to broach the subject and analyze parts of the movies, giving his attention to a portion of what I see is one of the finest examples of a Trojan horse, that the New World order could have possibly created. Both movies are well crafted, and contain all of the latest technological, spiritual, and psychological talking points, that people see as solutions to the problems that are facing us today. Most of which are actually correct methods that will work, if allowed to run unregulated by government or corporate power, and controlled only by natural market forces. These technologies could be a true boon for humanity.

However, these movies "very subtly" divide people, based upon religion, economic condition, and other things related to philosophical view by subtly tearing down our differences, as irrelevant  ... then the narrator weaves the observer into the collective mind set that all humans are violent and flawed and essentially need "Gort" like control all in favor of technology and machines which are spun as superior... As Alex pointed out, the solutions to each of the problems are always shown as collective and centralized solutions... they are not seen as decentralized or independent efforts, individuality is seen as flawed. Not at all the way the inventors, or original discoverers of new technology saw their development or their creation. The inventor mostly seeks greater independence for those who buy and use their brainchild.

The bottom line is there is about 80% good stuff in both movies... which could confuse the uninitiated into thinking that everything that is concluded in both movies is correct and good... they tug on you emotionally... should we fought for, and if need be die for these ideas..? These movies both carry this kind of conclusive energy... this is the danger of the Zeitgeist's... Like rat poison, which is 95% good and wholesome food... it is also 5% arsenic. if you don't separate the poison from the food and you ingest it, you will likely die!

The Zeitgeist's are not for the novice Truther/Patriot... it fills the newbie with what amounts to time release poison pills, along with the food. These find there way into area's of the conscious and sub-conscious mind that are needed for understanding our battle against the NWO bastids... Once they take root, the poison pill opinions formed are actually contrary to the liberty/patriot/truth movement's goals... These opinions are very hard to eradicate or change, because they are strongly attached to the individual desire to defeat the NWO, yet the methods and solutions shown play right into the hands of the globalists.

The control freak religion has many denominations, but all of them use some form of subtlety and suggestibility along with apparent respectability in their quest to gain control. Whether witting or unwitting these movies, like other collectivist utopist efforts, all ultimately bow to the NWO... and not to the cause of Liberty... IMHO.

JTCoyoté

“Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek
it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding
the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth.
And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always
create the most hellish tyrannies.”
~Barry Goldwater

Ok.  I to have stayed out of this argument.  Until AJ finally said it had to be breached.  I wanted to ban the piece of crap-propagandist-NWO-giant sucking sound-garbage, a long time ago.  Sane, keeps me Sane. Free speech right?  OK!.

It takes our good members brains away from real issues and helps spin reality to the NWO agenda.

It's a total piece of garbage.  Is that not what we are working against?  Truth mixed with lies?

Man, this is the easiest movie to debunk.  Full of spiritual dreams, philosophy, and unreality's.  And yet, good members can get sullied into the warm and fussy feelings this trash makes you believe.

It is pure propaganda. AN Unreality!

C'mon guy's. We are smarter than this.



Rock

[Loungin]

There's quite a few loopholes.  And things not even mentioned.  The constitution didn't cover what might happen when we, you know, invent intercontinental nukes.

And Sane, don't make me hate you by saying stupid shit like I should read the Constitution.  I end up reading in once a week already to people who are waking up.  Mostly the Declaration of Independence though, since it's basically a checklist of what's going on right now.

I'm ready to live in a world without money, government, governance, leaders, preachers, and the lot.  I could fully live by the edict "do unto others" and I already do everyday.  People who have known me for a long time say that they have seen my evolution from a pice of shit teenager to a person who doesn't need to be kept in line because I don't have envy, jealousy, avarice or a self centered view of things.  F**k profit.  I can't survive or be happy if my neighbors can't.

Well said brother.  Cut the BS and get to the basics.  Love thy neighbor... endgame.

[Dig]

One major loophole in the Constitution.  It remains neutral on the monitary issue.  The central banks have slipped through many times.

Close this loophole and I would agree that the Constitution is a viable solution.  We also need to address the growth rate of government.  It is completely out of hand and the Constitution hasn't prevented it from happening.

Neutral?

Money can only be backed by gold or silver!

how is that neutral?

[Loungin]

Neutral?

Money can only be backed by gold or silver!

how is that neutral?

When the Federal Reserve came into existance, weren't the notes backed by gold?  I'm not being condecending, I'm genuinly asking.  I thought the gold standard was abolished well after this time.

So, the Constitution failed prevent the Federal Reserve from coming into existance?  Instead, it was snuck in to being through an empty Congressional hall door.  This is the loophole I speak of.

[JTCoyoté]

There's quite a few loopholes.  And things not even mentioned.  The constitution didn't cover what might happen when we, you know, invent intercontinental nukes.

And Sane, don't make me hate you by saying stupid shit like I should read the Constitution.  I end up reading in once a week already to people who are waking up.  Mostly the Declaration of Independence though, since it's basically a checklist of what's going on right now.

I'm ready to live in a world without money, government, governance, leaders, preachers, and the lot.  I could fully live by the edict "do unto others" and I already do everyday.  People who have known me for a long time say that they have seen my evolution from a pice of shit teenager to a person who doesn't need to be kept in line because I don't have envy, jealousy, avarice or a self centered view of things.  F**k profit.  I can't survive or be happy if my neighbors can't.

How about I make you hate me then... because the only stupid shit that has been spewed has been from you... it isn't about you, you are not the only person in the world... You NEED to read the Constitution, because you don't understand the first thing about what the Constitution says... and the fact that your life and happiness is controlled by your neighbors... tells me a whole lot about you!

JTCoyoté

"A bad peace is even worse than war." 
~Cornelius Tacitus (56 – 117 AD)

[Loungin]

How about I make you hate me then... because the only stupid shit that has been spewed has been from you... it isn't about you, you are not the only person in the world... you don't understand the first thing about what the Constitution says... and the fact that your life and happiness is controlled by your neighbors... tells me a whole lot about you!

JTCoyoté

"A bad peace is even worse than war." 
~Cornelius Tacitus (56 – 117 AD)

You mods need to chill the F out.  Seriously.

[kenischange]

When the Federal Reserve came into existance, weren't the notes backed by gold?  I'm not being condecending, I'm genuinly asking.  I thought the gold standard was abolished well after this time.

So, the Constitution failed prevent the Federal Reserve from coming into existance?  Instead, it was snuck in to being through an empty Congressional hall door.  This is the loophole I speak of.

You mistake a Constitutional loophole with treasonous disregard of our foundational law (the Constitution). THEY BREAK THE LAW OF THE CONSTITUTION OPENLY. The only actual loophole in the Constitution is that treaties become the law of our land (this is how the UN is destroying us). The way this is in the Constitution it can be and is interpreted that anything in a treaty is fine when it should be anything that does not conflict with the Constitution itself.

[Loungin]

You mistake a Constitutional loophole with treasonous disregard of our foundational law (the Constitution). THEY BREAK THE LAW OF THE CONSTITUTION OPENLY. The only actual loophole in the Constitution is that treaties become the law of our land (this is how the UN is destroying us). The way this is in the Constitution it can be and is interpreted that anything in a treaty is fine when it should be anything that does not conflict with the Constitution itself.

So the "Federal Reserve Act", I think it was appropriately named, is unconstitutional?  If that is the case, shouldn't we have lawyers banding together, pitchforks in hand?

If there is legal reason, provable with Constitutional Law as a basis for trial, that the Federal Reserve is illegal... why isn't it happening?  Of all times for it to happen, now would be peachy.

[Dig]

When the Federal Reserve came into existance, weren't the notes backed by gold?  I'm not being condecending, I'm genuinly asking.  I thought the gold standard was abolished well after this time.

So, the Constitution failed prevent the Federal Reserve from coming into existance?  Instead, it was snuck in to being through an empty Congressional hall door.  This is the loophole I speak of.

loophole?

It was theft, complete theft of liberty by criminals and an unresponsible public.  It was not the constitution, it was criminals, the same criminals that have stolen over $100 trillion from international financial markets over the past month and the same criminals that are pushing a utopian agenda of technocratic supermen as alluded to in the satanic project.

loophole makes no sense, it was a criminal rape of liberty by psychopathic genocidal lunatics that are being exposed.

[Rock]

And another thing,





Rock

[JTCoyoté]

When the Federal Reserve came into existance, weren't the notes backed by gold?  I'm not being condecending, I'm genuinly asking.  I thought the gold standard was abolished well after this time.

So, the Constitution failed prevent the Federal Reserve from coming into existance?  Instead, it was snuck in to being through an empty Congressional hall door.  This is the loophole I speak of.

Certain notes were backed by gold, others were backed by Silver, the Federal Reserve notes however, were backed by debt at interest... the gold notes were called in and replaced with Federal Reserve notes, after January 31 of 1934 when the gold reserve act was passed...

It wasn't the Constitution's fault  that the unconstitutional Federal Reserve act was passed... it was  the fault of people, and their representatives attaining high office, that chose to disregard constitutional warnings against such practices... a lot like some of the people that post on this forum, and presume to knock the Constitution when they don't have a clue what it is about, and think they know better... without knowing what the document actually says...

A good constitution is only as good as the people, the people's knowledge of it, and their desire to follow it... and with today's crop of know nothing know it all's, we are in f*cking to trouble!

JTCoyoté

"We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks...They are, not government institutions. They are private monopolies which prey upon the people of these United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign customers..." ~ Senator Louis T. McFadden (for 22 years Chairman of the U.S. Banking & Currency Commission fighting the FED)

[Dig]

So the "Federal Reserve Act", I think it was appropriately named, is unconstitutional?  If that is the case, shouldn't we have lawyers banding together, pitchforks in hand?

If there is legal reason, provable with Constitutional Law as a basis for trial, that the Federal Reserve is illegal... why isn't it happening?  Of all times for it to happen, now would be peachy.

the federal reserve act is undeniably unconstitutional.  It is not defended by law, it is instead defended by police fascist actions.  If you point out that the federal reserve act is unconstitutional you get tagged and bagged into federal MK Ultra torture chambers for re-education and assimilation into Rockefeller borgs.

You were joking right, please tell me you were just joking.

You are attempting to say that all structures of everything need to be demolished but the unconstitutional federal reserve act is legal?!?!?!

[Dig]

~ Senator Louis T. McFadden (for 22 years Chairman of the U.S. Banking & Currency Commission fighting the FED)

As reported in the first Zeitgeist movie, he was poisoned after 2 other failed attempts by Rockefeller/Morgan/Rothschild agents.  Third time was a charm for the international banking cartel.

[Alias1975]

How can anyone believe this crap about the solution to the world crisis - technology!? Robots and AI will save us??

The way for our well being leads in the complete opposite direction. Giving power to the individual and blossoming of the individual consciousness.

I agree with this, i think the way out of this mess is not through technology but by getting back to basics. The problem here is us as individuals, as people like David Icke keep reminding us there are over 6 billion of us and a relative handful of them, the day we decide to say no to this en masse, is the day we win. Change begins with ourselves and we need to get out of this divide and conquer world thats been created around us, and start focusing on the things that really matter.

Before we look to technology and exploring the universe we need to get to a point in this world where nobody dies of hunger, and nobody is homeless, where we live in harmony with others from different cultures, religions etc..

We need to get back to basics and look at how complicated and facile our lives have become, each and every one of us needs to go on that personal journey and by changing ourselves we'll change the world.

[Loungin]

the federal reserve act is undeniably unconstitutional.  It is not defended by law, it is instead defended by police fascist actions.  If you point out that the federal reserve act is unconstitutional you get tagged and bagged into federal MK Ultra torture chambers for re-education and assimilation into Rockefeller borgs.

You were joking right, please tell me you were just joking.

You are attempting to say that all structures of everything need to be demolished but the unconstitutional federal reserve act is legal?!?!?!

Not saying that at all.  I heard someone say that a loophole of sorts in the Constitution allowed the creation of multiple central banks.  Whether it be Zeitgeist, Money Masters, or the Creature from Jekyl Isle... I heard it and it resonated with me.  Interesting to get the skinny from the Constitution buffs here.

So the question is, if we follow the Constitution going forward, how do we stop this from happening again?  They managed to get more than 1 central banks through in 200+ years.  

[JTCoyoté]

You mods need to chill the F out.  Seriously.

That's ONE!  Referencing the fact that a poster is a moderator, without addressing the post... in this case one that isn't even addressed to you, is a cop-out... now, show me where my post is wrong... or where you agree with my post... or STFU. seriously.

JTCoyoté

"The contemporary 21st-century definition of
"attention span" is the average time it takes
for a network television commercial break"
~Anonymous




 

[JTCoyoté]

Not saying that at all.  I heard someone say that a loophole of sorts in the Constitution allowed the creation of multiple central banks.  Whether it be Zeitgeist, Money Masters, or the Creature from Jekyl Isle... I heard it and it resonated with me.  Interesting to get the skinny from the Constitution buffs here.

So the question is, if we follow the Constitution going forward, how do we stop this from happening again?  They managed to get more than 1 central banks through in 200+ years.  

Yes, there were two central banks, the first one was destroyed under Madison... and Andrew Jackson put the final nail in the coffin of the second national Bank of the United States... both owned and operated by the same people, and both paid for initially by the American people, with the rest of the shareholders borrowing against the American people's money in fractional reserve fashion, creating the money oiut of thin air, and buying the majority shares... the same thing that happened with the Federal Reserve.

Andrew Jackson drove in a nail so deep in the heart of the private bankers, it took them 77 years... of dumbing down the American people, using the holdings of the state banks they owned to engineer recessions ... like the recession of 1907 which resulted in the Federal Reserve. It was engineered by the New York and New England banks... This recession wasn't even felt in Colorado! yet it scared the east coast into giving away the nation's wealth to the international bankers.

The battle of the banks has raged in the United States since its earliest days... and it is only through the ignorance of the people, and they're blaming of our most wholesome laws for the problem that has created the problem in the first place. It is a lot like when a fellow walks up to you on a dark street and shoves a knife in your face and says give me your wallet, and then you blame your wallet!

We have lost three Constitutional banking presidents in assassinations to these globalist power-mongers, and their main weapon of war, namely their privately owned fractional reserve banking systems. Your ignorance of the historical facts surrounding this war, is no reason for you or anyone to attempt to destroy or throw out the one great weapon we have against these bastards... namely the "Charters of Liberty, consisting of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution for the United States of America, and the Bill of Rights... as well as the body of constitutional law that surrounds them, and the body of foundation documentation that preceded them.

--Oldyoti

"I believe that banking institutions               
are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies....
The issuing powers should be taken from the banks and
restored to the people to whom it properly belongs."
-- Thomas Jefferson

[kenischange]

Not saying that at all.  I heard someone say that a loophole of sorts in the Constitution allowed the creation of multiple central banks.  Whether it be Zeitgeist, Money Masters, or the Creature from Jekyl Isle... I heard it and it resonated with me.  Interesting to get the skinny from the Constitution buffs here.

So the question is, if we follow the Constitution going forward, how do we stop this from happening again?  They managed to get more than 1 central banks through in 200+ years.  

Educatioin and vigilance (which is what the problem is, people become apathetic and under educated and made to believe our elected representatives are our leaders, owners, rulers and experts...they are actually mostly thieving scumbags).

[Loungin]

That's ONE!  Referencing the fact that a poster is a moderator, without addressing the post... in this case one that isn't even addressed to you, is a cop-out... now, show me where my post is wrong... or where you agree with my post... or STFU. seriously.

JTCoyoté

"The contemporary 21st-century definition of
"attention span" is the average time it takes
for a network television commercial break"
~Anonymous

You have profound knowledge about American history and you share it with others.  I commend you for this however it's a shame that people will disregard your information because of your attitude. 

Without people skills, knowledge is useless.

 

[Loungin]

Also.. I'm here tyring to put the pieces together like many of my brothers and sisters.  Cut me some slack... At least I am asking questions and seeking knowledge rather than watching the NFL on Sunday.  Seriously...

[Dig]

You have profound knowledge about American history and you share it with others.  I commend you for this however it's a shame that people will disregard your information because of your attitude. 

Without people skills, knowledge is useless.

 

people skills?  we need people skills?  shit, I did not see that on the application.

dammit!

[JTCoyoté]

You have profound knowledge about American history and you share it with others.  I commend you for this however it's a shame that people will disregard your information because of your attitude.

Without people skills, knowledge is useless.

 

The bolded portion of your post is Bullsh*t... I'm not here to be your buddy... and I don't care whether you glean anything from my posts or not... many will though, and that's all I can hope for...

Without knowledge... people's skills are beholding to their masters only.

JTCoyoté

"The advancement and diffusion of knowledge
is the only guardian of true liberty. "
~James Madison

[trailhound]

Without knowledge people skills can get you killed or worse...

[Rock]

You have profound knowledge about American history and you share it with others.  I commend you for this however it's a shame that people will disregard your information because of your attitude. 

Without people skills, knowledge is useless.

 

How bad does JT have to open a can of Whoooop Assss on you?  You respect his research?  Well then quit defending this Zigcrap as if it were the modern Jesus of information for the weakened populace.  If you mean well, it dose not seem like it.

Telling me to calm down is not good.  I have a ban button that's just itching.



Rock