Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[Dolphin]

Let me ask all of you this - if the new world order in it's totality was overthrown and taken down tomorrow, what would we do after?

There is no after because if it comes to it where they think there power is threatened they will launch all the WMD and destroy us all including them selfs in the process if they can't have all the power neither can anyone, humanity being imperfect cannot offer anything sustainable ever how can something imperfect create something perfect?

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I just finished watching the movie and quite frankly Peter Joseph got what he deserved from AJ, I would have rather watched an AJ movie at least he leaves you feeling you've learned something, this movie Zeitgeist made me feel like I was wasting my time.

[toto]

This all sounds great Peter - Walking into shops and not paying anything for food ect

I'm a lazy bum that has twelve children whom will enjoy the free candy section of the supermarket.

I need a new car - Me and the lazy bum wife like Lamborghini's

Great idea Peter - We'll all just walk into the Lamborghini show room and take what we like.

Of course (he will disagree) there would have to be some sort of system (money?) that stops me and the lazy bum family grabbing too much?

My twelve children like Lamborghini's as well.

Peter, how many children, 'useless eaters' will I be allowed to have in your system?

I still root like a rabbit - Another fifteen children isn't out of the question now that I have free food and Lamborghini's to set them all up with, sounds great.

Thanks Pete, great thinker.

[iks83]

i would like to excrete my thoughts into this thread as well...

Alex really was behaving like some bully classclown mocking his GUEST most of the time. Also its like he never really listened to him and just snaps when he hears a trigger word. Like environment... as soon as Peter said it Alex started the whole evironmental movement and global warming rant although Peter was talking not about nature but about the environment people grow up in. Also Alex never let him finish his thoughts that probably would have let to a point that Alex would have agreed with but we never know cause he starts yelling before the guest could explain. He doesnt have to agree or play nice and be gentle but at least he could be fair. But as soon as something is said that might be an attack he totally freaks out and starts mocking. He should have Peter on more often in the future so he can train himself to behave better and be more mature.

And dont come now with the its Alex nature and hes always like that and all the ass kissing suck up arguments to apologize his behavior. He invited the guy so he should have the decency to let him speak and not fool around like some retard. Maybe when he has guests like that on he should hire some referee to go in between and whack some sense into him before the fight is continued.

Now to Peter... well his idea of a society is really utopic... cant see how it can be possible under the current system. How do you get enough people decent enough to create such a world? Well probably one day the argument will be made that its impossible unless well.... there are only 200 million people left on the planet. It kinda lead into this direction. Also although he seemed very calm during the attacks from Alex it actually startled him alot since he started making alot of contradictional statement. Like instinct of animals, humans and behavior etc... really a pitbull is only violent because the way it grew up? Thats really stupid. Those animals are bread like that and you cant get that out of them. There are many cases where such a dog was raised in total peace and suddenly when he saw some small child running around his hunting instincts kicked in and ripped the child to pieces. I doubt he never had any animals. Sure humans are at a level where mind can overcome instincts but when looking at the world it seems they rather wanna overcome the good instincts than the bad.

Also that comptetition is bad... sure its very twisted and sick the way it is but on a friendly level with rules, moral and ethic its a quite good thing. Ah there is so much to talk about what was mentioned on the show that whole books could be filled with. Basicly... we have to get rid off the very rich and powerful at the very top because they are responsible for the misery on the planet. There have been many studies that it just needs a few billions to give every person on the planet a home, food, water, clothes, education and healthcare if its organized good enough so why are those people not doing anything? Because they would lose power and control. There is so much talk about an utopia from the elite so why arent they just grabbing some land officially and legaly and build their utopian society there? They would find enough people to willingly join and work for it. Then if its really successful and flourishing and people are free and happy there then other parts of the world would wanna live like that too. Thats how it supposed to be and thats what already happened in the past with the USA. It was only possible because there was a huge piece of land where there was no system there... or at least a system that was very easy to eradicate... and they build a new one better than any system before that gave the people freedom and justice... in theory but it was taken over quite fast and is now a super corrupt fascist empire.

[xundk]

Best show ever....

First: Alex WTF... This was just crossing the line. You repeatedly failed to see Peter J's points, and made him sound like an idiot because you wouldn't let him finish his arguments. The $19.95 point was NOT that alex was evil, sick, bad, wicked or whatever. It was to prove how manipulative the WHOLE system of money is. Peter never stated that alex was evil, bad, sick or whatever, because he sold hi's dvd's for $19.95. He was just making it a point how our minds work. Peter could just have said "When amazon.com sells dvd's for $19.95.....".

Alex really needs to learn to control himself. For most of the interview I wanted to smack alex upside the head to just get to listen to what peter actually had to say.
But alex did seem abit open minded. He wen't from "Human conditioning is 10% of the reason" to "Human conditioning is 50% of the reason", during the interview.

Second : What I think most people are missing is the fact that Peter is not talking about something that can be implemented over night, in this time, with this FUBAR mindset we all have today, but an idea about what we COULD evolve into, if we have the intellect to grasp it. Everyone should contact their innner hippie and think about what it is he's saying. A system without money, without forced labor, without the need to compete (because if you don't you die), without control of the masses, but instead the masses CAN control themselves, and people KNOWING why bad things are destructive to do. Like he said "Stealing won't be an issue, because you cannot sell anything". When noone has to live their lives, fighting every day to survive, and noone can look down on you because you have less, or noone can judge you because of what you work with, noone would feel insufficient and having the need to call for uncontrolled attention.
The Venus project is NOT about what takes over NOW, it's an idea of how things COULD be. And Jaque Fresco also said in the movie that it wasn't the perfect solution, we cannot acheive perfection.

Third : People need to stop all their bullshit about who's bad and who's evil, who's on our side and who's not. There is no side, there is no evil. There is only you. Get that into your heads. What YOU do and what YOU think is the only thing that matters. And when someone like Peter Joseph puts out a movie that is SO brilliant in editing and material, you should really stop and look at what is being presented, through yuor hearts mind, not look at it with your basic beleifsystem that you have been conditioned to use. When he is presenting some ideology that COULD be a foundation for starting THINKING about a way out of this mess, maybe you should start thinking about how YOU can contribute to the SOLLUTION, instead of always looking at the problem, like many of us have done for years.
Everyone is so concerned about the problem theese days, and think that if we just expose everything, it will be allright. IT WON'T!. If we don't have any idea of what to do when the system collapses, then we WILL have anarcy, and not in a good way. We need to get the people to think different about the way of human living and behavior. We need to stop treating symptoms, and start treating causes.

Fourth : One world united is NOT the same as the NWO. A new world order could be a good thing, IF it was for the right reasons, without control. If we would just start opening our minds and hearts and stop focusing on eachothers differences, we would have a real chance to have a new world order, where everyone is equal and where noone needed a war. A new world order without secret societies, without a government and without poverty. But obviously we are not ready for that, because we have been conditioned to think that the only way is war, money, submitting to government and division. We think that the only NWO is Their NWO, when in fact it's just a termonology. We need to expose the people doing bad things, no doubt about that. And we need to step up and do the right thing (ALL THE TIME). And we need to close this road that we are heading right now. BUT. If we do this, we also need to have an idea of what we do instead, else everything becomes chaos and out of chaos we know some people are masters in creating sollutions...


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Fifth : About competition. Competition is NOT a good thing. Think of what could be done if you do what YOU LOVE TO DO, and instead of having limited rescources, working alone to beat others and make it in this world, you work together with other people that share the same passion. How far and better can you then get? If we all did what we REALLY wanted, instead of doing something we don't actually like, because we need money or social status, we would be better at what we do, and we would have better products, better conduct in life. Competition is only good in sports, where it's the primal goal. Only compete when to compete is the goal. Don't compete to make others look bad or fail in life...

[toto]

Under the PJ system, we learn we can all walk into shops without paying for goods - Great, free tissues for all those that say they love Christian Alex Jones (forum membership deems that) yet wanna defend an atheist.

PJ dumps on many religious groups in his program, but steers around one in particular. Which religion "system" dose PJ leave alone?

That answer can be found by looking at Bolshevik Russia during the Lenin era.

While Orthodox Christian Churches were being destroyed -- who's Synagogues were left alone?
(www.savethemales.ca has more about that)

"Peter Joseph" - It's got a very Biblical sounding ring to that name.

[Denton]

"Venus-Project"


Fly is thinking: "wow, this place is awesome."

[xundk]

Under the PJ system, we learn we can all walk into shops without paying for goods - Great, free tissues for all those that say they love Christian Alex Jones (forum membership deems that) yet wanna defend an atheist.

PJ dumps on many religious groups in his program, but steers around one in particular. Which religion "system" dose PJ leave alone?

That answer can be found by looking at Bolshevik Russia during the Lenin era.

While Orthodox Christian Churches were being destroyed -- who's Synagogues were left alone?
(www.savethemales.ca has more about that)

"Peter Joseph" - It's got a very Biblical sounding ring to that name.

Do you really think that Peter Joseph's name is something he chose?
Have you been listening to him at all. He says that religion as an institution has got to go. And there I cannot agree more. Everyone have the basic right to belive whatever they want, as long as it's not hurting anyone or as long as they are not trying to push that belivesystem on anyone else.

[Atomic]

You know something, if you choose to do so you can alienate every single person on earth simply because they don't agree with you 100% of the time. If Alex wants to alienate Peter Joseph he can do so, if he wants to alienate David Ray Griffin he can do so and you know what good that is going to do? None. The truth movement is going to be more devided and less effective the more devided it becomes. I love Alex and am a member of WAC Los Angeles but am I going to turn against Peter Joseph or DRG because Alex does not 100% agree with them? Hell no, we are all on the same side with only minor differences of opinion on small details.

I own a copy of Endgame and Zeitgeist Addendum and both are excellent although I think Terrorstorm is Alex's best work. I think the way Peter was treated was flat wrong. He was treated like he is the enemy which he is NOT. I have to tell you that Alex is very strong on identifying the problems but very weak on offering viable solutions. Peter Joseph is strong on offering possible solutions. The two working together would be an awesome force for change.

Now I read this thread and it is just full of crap directed at Peter including snide remarks, misscharacterizations of what he said and is advocating and all sorts of negative devisive rhetoric. If that is the way Alex and those on this board are going to treat Peter Joseph you can count me out. We need to unite NOT devide. What is so damn difficult about taking the good parts of what Peter is advocating and rejecting the parts you don't agree with while still working together for the common goal? Or god forbid continue to talk to him about these ideas and see if they can be improved upon or discarded if they prove to be unworkable? With a friend you could have that kind of exchange but by making him an enemy the way Alex is there will be no growth on either side. So alienate him if you want to but I won't be going along with you, time is too short and the situation is too dire to be throwing away valuable allies like Peter Joseph. The same also goes for David Ray Griffin by the way, I won't be jumping on the anti DRG bandwagon either for the same reasons. I really think those who are willing to toss away valuable allies like them have a screw loose and want the truth movement to fail by deviding on itself until it is destroyed. So kick me off this board if you don't like what I have to say, whatever floats your boats, but there is some real growing up needing to be done around here. In case you didn't notice our country and the world are in deep shit right now and could use ALL OUR HELP.

[toto]

Just got a call from Abe Foxman on the back line - He loves Zeitgeist.

[Atomic]

Just got a call from Abe Foxman on the back line - He loves Zeitgeist.

Yeah whatever dude just keep on working towards deviding us all.

[Rock]

There will always be someone to make the rules (even if that is society as a whole).  They will be enforced for the greater good.  Good for one will not always be good for the other.  

Points made by those who are wooed by ZA

1) You must except that religion is the problem (one of them).  If you were on a higher plain of consciousness you would understand that.  Is does not matter if that is what you want, reconditioning will help you.  
2) No money as a medium of exchange.  
3) Technology coupled with spirituality makes for the greater good


Well, here it is in a nutshell.  If you are religious and love freedom of expression based on your religion - you are against this movie's stance.  If you are against socialism, you are against this movies stance.  If you believe that money in a good society of honest individuals can be a healthy means of exchange you are against this movies stance.

Either way, it is all religion.  Do you believe in god?  That's faith.  Do you believe in the ideologies of this movie and its spiritual awakening?  That's faith.

So the real argument that I knew would come out of this whole thread and movement was who has the right religion?

It's as old as religion itself.  And people defend ZA like a religion.

Atheists are going religious on me.  Who would have thought?

[toto]

I wanna know where me and my lazy family will have to live in the perfect PJ system - In a compact UN Agenda 21 type city like Jerome Corsi exposed?

Look, I like being a lazy hill billy bum, as do my inbreed kids (no we're not Rothschilds trailer trash)

Will we be able to get the free food and fancy cars as well while living out in the sticks, or do we have to move the van and dogs into the big smoke to collect the free goods?

[Rock]

I wanna know where me and my lazy family will have to live in the perfect PJ system - In a compact UN Agenda 21 type city?

Look, I like being a lazy hill billy bum, as do my inbreed kids (no were are not Rothschilds)

Will we be able to get the free food and fancy cars as well while living out in the sticks, or do we have to move the van and dogs into the big smoke to collect the free goods?

Once you are reeducated, you will understand that you don't get the top floor of the high rise.  Those who have a higher level of awareness and evolved properly according to their new spiritual heights, may request the top floor.




Rock

[Atomic]

There will always be someone to make the rules (even if that is society as a whole).  They will be enforced for the greater good.  Good for one will not always be good for the other.  

Points made by those who are wooed by ZA

1) You must except that religion is the problem (one of them).  If you were on a higher plain of consciousness you would understand that.  Is does not matter if that is what you want, reconditioning will help you.  
2) No money as a medium of exchange.  
3) Technology coupled with spirituality makes for the greater good


Well, here it is in a nutshell.  If you are religious and love freedom of expression based on your religion - you are against this movie's stance.  If you are against socialism, you are against this movies stance.  If you believe that money in a good society of honest individuals can be a healthy means of exchange you are against this movies stance.

Either way, it is all religion.  Do you believe in god?  That's faith.  Do you believe in the ideologies of this movie and its spiritual awakening?  That's faith.

So the real argument that I knew would come out of this whole thread and movement was who has the right religion?

It's as old as religion itself.  And people defend ZA like a religion.

Atheist are going religious on me.  Who would have thought?

You don't understand Zeitgeist or Peter Joseph and you know something you and the other moderator combined with Alex just convinced me that I am in the wrong crowd. This is bullshit to treat him like he is NWO scum. Instead of growing up, here you can have my official resignation from WeAreChange Los Angeles. You are NOT the change I want to see in the world. You crap all over your allies simply because you have difficulty grasping what they are saying. Obviously you don't see what PJ was saying based on your comments which were totally off the mark. Good luck, you are going to need it since you obviously intend to alienate all the people that don't agree with Alex 100% of the time. Shhh don't tell anyone but that means everyone.

[toto]

Once you are reeducated, you will understand that you don't get the top floor of the high rise. Those who have a higher level of awareness and evolved properly according to their new spiritual heights, may request the top floor.
Rock

Ow come on Rock - In the perfect PJ system there can be only single story buildings -- otherwise those below without a view of the new Agenda 21 compact city, limited children paradise, will get jealous of those higher up over looking the cattle box cars taking away those that reeducation didn't work for.

[xundk]

If you are religious and love freedom of expression based on your religion - you are against this movie's stance.

What?... If I love freedom i'm against this movie? how do you figure that?
If you are religious then you might wanna look at this movie and think "Hmm, yeah, my religious institution did cause X numbers of wars with X numbers of deaths, because others didn't belive the same", Maybe my institution has got to go...

He's not saying that religion itself is bad, only the institutions...

[Rock]

You don't understand Zeitgeist or Peter Joseph and you know something you and the other moderator combined with Alex just convinced me that I am in the wrong crowd. This is bullshit to treat him like he is NWO scum. Instead of growing up, here you can have my official resignation from WeAreChange Los Angeles. You are NOT the change I want to see in the world. You crap all over your allies simply because you have difficulty grasping what they are saying. Obviously you don't see what PJ was saying based on your comments which were totally off the mark. Good luck, you are going to need it since you obviously intend to alienate all the people that don't agree with Alex 100% of the time. Shhh don't tell anyone but that means everyone.

Recondition me into your religion then.



Rock

[Rock]

What?... If I love freedom i'm against this movie? how do you figure that?
If you are religious then you might wanna look at this movie and think "Hmm, yeah, my religious institution did cause X numbers of wars with X numbers of deaths, because others didn't belive the same", Maybe my institution has got to go...

He's not saying that religion itself is bad, only the institutions...

See, your comment is blind faith.  Jehovah's Witnesses do not go to war.  They are 7 million strong in 234 lands.  They teach love and kindness and modesty.  And when they come to my door, its not with an axe.

And there are other religions that are kind. 

Research and don't be a sheeple.


Rock

[xundk]

Recondition me into your religion then.



Rock

It's not about reconditioning or reeducation as an institute. It's about your own growth and your own correction of your beliefsystem. It's about you seeing beyond what is now, and seeing what is comming and why things are as they are. We don't need to "Educate" anyone. We need to light a fuse that will eventually set off everyones inner WMD so they themselves come to the conclusion that how we act and how we think is selfdestructive.
Why do you focus on words, without seeing the context?

[xundk]

See, your comment is blind faith.  Jehovah's Witnesses do not go to war.  They are 7 million strong in 234 lands.  They teach love and kindness and modesty.  And when they come to my door, its not with an axe.

And there are other religions that are kind. 

Research and don't be a sheeple.


Rock

FFS... Read what I have posted earlier... Religion is GOOD, if you don't harm anyone else or try to push your beliefsystem on anyone else... Gsus...

[Dig]

He's not saying that religion itself is bad, only the institutions...

I do not believe that his movies support your argument.  Your argument speaks against central power.  He seems to be speaking against individual beliefs rather than central control. Against indiidual beliefs of labor, money, and faith rather than against central control of these paradigms.  It is the centralized, pyramidic, feudalistic control that causes oppression and suffering, not the individual thoughts.  The individual thoughts and beliefs present the greatest threat to central control and that is also the greatest threat to NWO.  That is why the only way the NWO can succeed in their long term plans is by enforcing limitations on individual freedoms and thoughts.  This is why the CFR/Bilderberg meetings/documents call for suppression of the individual.  The entire homegrown terrorism prevention act is designed to reinforce eradication of all non-central controlled thought. If you look at non-religious central controlling regimes as well as religious you will find similar patterns of oppression and suffering (Maoist China and Stalinist Russia-over 80 million killed).  Freedom of individual thought, faith, and peaceful actions should never be infringed.

[Atomic]

Recondition me into your religion then.



Rock

Devide away Rock it will do you and all of us alot of good.

PJ is not trying to end your religion he is simply trying to show you how the INSTITUTION has been used to actually seperate you from God and to control you with myths. No one is going to interfere with your religion dude and PJ is not an athiest or advocating that we be athiests. Relax man, you are so busy attacking PJ that you haven't even slowed down enough to realize you don't even understand what he is saying.

[Rock]

FFS... Read what I have posted earlier... Religion is GOOD, if you don't harm anyone else or try to push your beliefsystem on anyone else... Gsus...

Your double speak is apparent.  Once you get boxed in on your argument you dodge and deflect.

Also, I prefer to use words for the meaning they were derived for and not some loose based context that requires guess work.

Say what you mean.  The word is what it is Clinton.



Rock

[Rock]

Devide away Rock it will do you and all of us alot of good.

PJ is not trying to end your religion he is simply trying to show you how the INSTITUTION has been used to actually seperate you from God and to control you with myths. No one is going to interfere with your religion dude and PJ is not an athiest or advocating that we be athiests. Relax man, you are so busy attacking PJ that you haven't even slowed down enough to realize you don't even understand what he is saying.

You made my point inn your point!  My god, don't you see it?


Rock

[Amd304912]

FFS... Read what I have posted earlier... Religion is GOOD, if you don't harm anyone else or try to push your beliefsystem on anyone else... Gsus...

It's about your own growth and your own correction of your beliefsystem.

oxymoron???

yeah this is just bullsh*t. its old tactics, and has no place here.

why are people trying to shove specific points down on people? that goes against your religion, seeing as thats the main point.

its just sad to be inept in thought, saying as if my beliefs are wrong and need adjustment, when it is infact the adjustment that will corrupt is an adjustment.

having said that your belief system is not wrong it just needs adjustment proving that your belief is wrong......

[sociostudent]

You made my point inn your point!  My god, don't you see it?


Rock

I see it, Rock. Don't worry--I got ur back, lol

[toto]

It's about your own growth and your own correction of your beliefsystem.

Alex E Jones and others, correct your beliefsystem - There are only 7 laws to obey, not 10.

Got Abe Foxman on the back line again - He loves that idea. Out with the Christian 10 Commandments from the Courts and Schools, and into the government system with the Seven Noahhide laws under the banner "Education Day" Public Law 102--14 (H.J. Res. 104): March 20, 1991

[Amd304912]

PJ is not trying to end your religion he is simply trying to show you how the INSTITUTION has been used to actually seperate you from God and to control you with myths.

by creating another myth with another institution, how ridiculous.

[xundk]

oxymoron???

yeah this is just bullsh*t. its old tactics, and has no place here.

why are people trying to shove specific points down on people? that goes against your religion, seeing as thats the main point.

its just sad to be inept in thought, saying as if my beliefs are wrong and need adjustment, when it is infact the adjustment that will corrupt is an adjustment.

having said that your belief system is not wrong it just needs adjustment proving that your belief is wrong......

Oh my god... Why can't anyone get what i'm saying?
I'm NOT saying that ANYONES beliefsystem (GOD, JEHOVA, ALLAH) is wrong... I'm saying the way that the religion is being practised can be wrong. That's why we say that muslims = terror... It's bullshit and needs to be corrected. We need to see EVERYONE as divine people. No matter what they belive. And we need to correct the belief that our priests, popes, imams, preachers is NOT how we talk to god. We can do that ourselves. We do not need some idiot with a fancy hat to do that...
I am NOT saying that what anyone belives (god etc.) is wrong. Just DON't shove it down anyone elses throat. And NO i'm not trying to tell you what to belive or what to think. I am trying to get you to see yourselves, instead of seeing only everyone else...

[Dig]

Devide away Rock it will do you and all of us alot of good.

PJ is not trying to end your religion he is simply trying to show you how the INSTITUTION has been used to actually seperate you from God and to control you with myths. No one is going to interfere with your religion dude and PJ is not an athiest or advocating that we be athiests. Relax man, you are so busy attacking PJ that you haven't even slowed down enough to realize you don't even understand what he is saying.

As I stated in my post earlier, I do not believe that his movies support your arguments.  Watch them again, it seems pretty clear that he targets individual belief systems as a greater threat than centralized power.  Individual freedoms of faith, labor, and exchange are at the heart of people power.  Limiting these freedoms seems to play into a hundred year old NWO agenda.

[Atomic]

You made my point inn your point!  My god, don't you see it?


Rock

Rock you and Sane and Alex are just dead plain wrong in treating PJ the way you have. Perhaps you don't care if you lose him as a friend and fellow infowarrior and perhaps you don't care if you lose me as a fellow infowarrior either, but you have and the really sad part is that you don't even know why. Good luck.

[Rock]

Devide away Rock it will do you and all of us alot of good.

PJ is not trying to end your religion he is simply trying to show you how the INSTITUTION has been used to actually seperate you from God and to control you with myths. No one is going to interfere with your religion dude and PJ is not an athiest or advocating that we be athiests. Relax man, you are so busy attacking PJ that you haven't even slowed down enough to realize you don't even understand what he is saying.

See, here is my point and I hope it gets through.  I love my institution (religion) and it is not full of myths.  It has brought me the greatest happyness and contentment.  It has inspired millions (this institution) to change their lives for the good.

Now, you want to free me of this institution of happyness?  

You are more gone than you know.  

Rock

[xundk]

by creating another myth with another institution, how ridiculous.

Institution = church, state, moske, jihad group etc.
This way of thinking has no basis for any form of institution, you are the instituion of your own belief. Because when you have a beliefsystem that allows you to belive what ever you want, as long as you don't harm anyone or push the beliefsystem, an instituion cannot exists, cause noone could agree on what you belive, but everyone would accept it, because you are you, and not a part of something else... Don't you see that in the future you will not be judged by what you belive, what you own or what you do. You will be judged by WHO YOU ARE... As a human being...

[sociostudent]

Alex E Jones and others, correct your beliefsystem - There are only 7 laws to obey, not 10.

Got Abe Foxman on the back line again - He loves that idea. Out with the Christian 10 Commandments from the Courts and Schools, and into the government system with the Seven Noahhide laws under the banner "Education Day" Public Law 102--14 (H.J. Res. 104): March 20, 1991

Who in the hell are you talking about? Who's abe foxman? and who made him equal to God?

[Dig]

Rock you and Sane and Alex are just dead plain wrong in treating PJ the way you have. Perhaps you don't care if you lose him as a friend and fellow infowarrior and perhaps you don't care if you lose me as a fellow infowarrior either, but you have and the really sad part is that you don't even know why. Good luck.

When confronted with reality, the only recourse seems to be the Eric Cartman defense:

[Dig]

Who in the hell are you talking about? Who's abe foxman? and who made him equal to God?

I am guessing that is a sarcastic post

[sociostudent]

We need to see EVERYONE as divine people.

That's just the thing, man...we're NOT divine. There IS such a thing as evil in this world, whether or not you can see or recognize it, and just because you pull the covers over your eyes (by embracing transhumanism) doesn't mean it goes away. you close your mind to the realization that you're being manipulated even MORE than you were before you agreed to this new "utopia"

[TheGoodFight1984]

Listening to lastnight's show now, PJ on in about 5 minutes.. looking forward to hearing what all this fuss is about.

[sociostudent]

I am guessing that is a sarcastic post

No seriously, no idea

[Dok]

Time for Carousel again.