Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[squarepusher]

I did not get a chance to hear the entire interview. Did Peter say what type of methods would be used to recondition or re-educate the masses?   

No.

[kenischange]

I did not get a chance to hear the entire interview. Did Peter say what type of methods would be used to recondition or re-educate the masses?   

Nope, it is all pie in the sky idiocy. I *think* he believes (in a very new age wishful thinking way) that we just all need to agree to change the paradigm all at the same time (worldwide) and we will one day all just stop being and acting as we are and into what is needed for this future pipe dream.

AND, his whole argument is taking the nurture side completely in the nurture vs nature debate. So, he and his pals are sure they know the answer...humans have no instincts and everything about us is what we are taught, nothing comes to us through genetics or anything like that. He discounts any agrument that demonstrates instinct, genetic behaviors, etc. and calls it "imprinting" and describes "imprinting" as environmental and educational influences from our early development (young ages).

He then talks about instinct of survival due to scarcity. So, over and over he keeps contradicting himself.

[athfrith]

I'm listening to Jone's interview of Peter Joseph . . I gotta say I'm disgusted.  Jones is acting like a total child by mocking him and talking down to him with his 'voice changes' . . very disgusting.

I've lost a lot of respect for Jones and his ability to maturely talk about issues.  On top of that, Jones has to learn NOT to go on these massive tangents.

Joseph has proven he's mature and highly intelligent in his ideas.  Jones just proved that he was an immature jackass to be honest.

[simjamlmx]

I have to agree with alex jones in his response to the ideas that peter joseph spoke about, my personal view on josephs ideas are just ideas that are not applicable to real life. if anybody can give me a plain english system in which peter josephs ideas can work then please.....lay it on me because as nice as his ideas are, and i understand them...they don't work pratically.

[derek17]

FYI, I just did a search for previous interviews done with Peter Joseph, and found this 30+ minute interview done by Mark Dice in July of 2007...which I'm about to listen to:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7934933277900811052

I am listening to this interview as I type this message.  I recommend everyone to listen to this.  Mark Dice remains calm, lets Mr. Joseph talk, and makes some very good points.

[Chewbacca]

Ok people this is VERY important!! Look at the intro to "Zeitgeist Addendum", it's more than just plain aesthetics. First it makes you focus on a single point like a hypnotist, then it incorporates these intense periods of fast flickering strobe like imagery, followed by periods of instant calm. That throws people's brains for a loop without them even really knowing about it, and then induces a far more mesmerized and suggestible state. It's as if it was produced by a PsyOps technician or something, or at least someone who knows brainwashing type techniques.

It's also like what integrators do, they shout and scream at people, then offer them tea and biscuits, then shout and scream at them again, it's a way of breaking down people's mental barriers. The first film's intro also had this type of sequence, presented in a slightly different way with tanks and bombs bombarding people’s senses, with intersecting “serene” moments.

After doing a lot of editing work myself I look at this and think: "what is this guy trying to achieve with a sequence like this?". My conclusion is that he’s trying to produce something that's not designed to please people, but to actually try and reach into their brains a bit, so that information can be sort of more implanted than absorbed and accepted consciously. I don't know, but I certainly don't feel right about Zeitgeist from a technical stand point, it seems rather disturbing and manipulative.

It’s like something from Clock Work Orange where the main character in that is being “reconditioned” with strobing imagery. It's sick and a lot of people haven’t even got a clue what their looking at. This guy Peter Joseph can claim it's "art" all day, the bottom-line is that if his film were to be broadcast it would most likely break a ton of broadcasting laws because of the intro alone. It would probably induce epileptic fits in a minority of people, on the majority it would have varying degrees of a manipulative effect on their critical thinking, making them more cognitively malleable and primed to absorb the "information" (ideology more to the point) presented in the film with less critical filtering.

These are just observations which could be wrong, but it's a critique that needs to be made that not too many people are making.

[trailhound]

Peter Joseph should stop using evil money and quit being such a snide little prick..listening now and i thought his tone in zeitgeist was his narrating voice but i get he sounds like he has his ass on his shoulders all the time.

[DCUBED]

I'm listening to the interview for the first time.  At the beginning of the interview AJ said that he wasn't going to fight with him and up to now that's all he's trying to do.  Continuously interrupting him and acting immature is NOT how you conduct an interview. I don't agree with everything Peter says, but AJ is acting like a complete jackass during the interview.

[deconstructmyhouse]

Peter Joseph totally lost me when he said all progress is due to science and technology.
and yes, there is a difference between a Ghandi baby and a Hitler baby.
In my belief system, the Hitler baby had a lot of bad karma to live out and learn from.

Ahhh, Peter is offended at being yelled at.  What a wus.  He oughta know, if he comes on the show and starts being a little prick, he's gonna get yelled out.  What a smug lil turd.

That said, I loved the passion...sounds like both of them were hitting each other's personal hot buttons.
All in all, very italian, very good.

Alex is listening just fine, but he rages when he feels like raging.  Fine by me.   

[psychicpollution]

Alex needs to learn to shut his cock sucker and let his "guests" speak their minds.
This interview made me wonder why the hell I am listening to Alex. The whole interview he is acting like a 12 year old who has no self control.
Basically he ruined the interview that could ve been very informational.
Im pretty sick of his condescending voices he uses. How about you act like an adult and respect other peoples opinions Alex?

[DCUBED]

Ahhh, Peter is offended at being yelled at.  What a wus.  

And how do you think Alex would act if someone yelled at him?

[noxium]

I'm listening to the interview for the first time.  At the beginning of the interview AJ said that he wasn't going to fight with him and up to now that's all he's trying to do.  Continuously interrupting him and acting immature is NOT how you conduct an interview. I don't agree with everything Peter says, but AJ is acting like a complete jackass during the interview.

Agreed

[DCUBED]

This interview made me wonder why the hell I am listening to Alex. The whole interview he is acting like a 12 year old who has no self control.
Basically he ruined the interview that could ve been very informational.
Im pretty sick of his condescending voices he uses. How about you act like an adult and respect other peoples opinions Alex?

Yes, this could of been a very insightful interview.

And Alex is now making grunting noises after Peter finishes every sentence...very immature.

[sociostudent]

And how do you think Alex would act if someone yelled at him?

He's a bulldog sometimes, but I think he'd take the higher road and calmly act like an adult and politely ask why they're yelling rather than act like a petulant child who got scolded.

[heavyhebrew]

He's a bulldog sometimes, but I think he'd take the higher road and calmly act like an adult and politely ask why they're yelling rather than act like a petulant child who got scolded.

You obviously do not know Texans.

[DCUBED]

He's a bulldog sometimes, but I think he'd take the higher road and calmly act like an adult and politely ask why they're yelling rather than act like a petulant child who got scolded.

I like AJ, but...yeah f**kin' right.  No way would he act like that. AJ flips out whenever someone disagrees with him.

[cathiasus]

You obviously do not know Texans.

She is from Texas. Her family had to move when Ike came through.

Alex needs to learn to shut his cock sucker and let his "guests" speak their minds.
This interview made me wonder why the hell I am listening to Alex. The whole interview he is acting like a 12 year old who has no self control.
Basically he ruined the interview that could ve been very informational.
Im pretty sick of his condescending voices he uses. How about you act like an adult and respect other peoples opinions Alex?

How about u get ur own radio show. LMAO.

[deconstructmyhouse]

I don't listen to Alex Jones because he behaves himself.  I can go to Charlie fu*king Rose for that.

[Wanted]

So I am listening to the interview right now, and Alex is indeed very inappropriate......and making fun of him talking about aliens. But anyways I think that Alex should open his mind and atleast "try" to be nice to the guests that he does not agree with.  

[chris jones]

Alex what a let you are on the whole issue with Peter Joseph, You simply have not come to the full understand of what hes saying, And Ive been thinking the same thing needs to be told to you for the past 5 year that a one world is a natural inclination for the human race and its only the elite who know that which are capitalizing on a natural instincts and taking advantage.

So what is your point Alex? are you just going to scream about how bad things are how untouchable the elite are how we are all going to die and how anyone who mentions "one world" is part of their gang.. that would be your own self conditioned response, and in this case no outside source programmed that response you programed yourself.

My advice to you is recognize the truth when you see it and embrace change because the truth will not be contained to any mental box it will flow where it can freely be expressed and if you are no longer an open door for the truth it will leave you.

Ive listened to you since you began but you are increasingly becoming more unbalanced and authoritative in your views and I can no longer listen to this until it embraces change.

 Hi Friend. I honestly do not know jack about the Venus project for starters.
I do know if our constitution was in effect we would not have a problem. I have a problem, I just saw too many dead bodies that were sumply bags of money for the lying deceiving maggots that used their infuence over the people of this nation.
One world order, are you for real, its evident you have never been witness to the abominations this and other Politicians have wrought upon us and other nations. Does anyone expect the world all of a sudden to unite as we bomb them into oblivion.
Would you accept genocide in this country of yours, and then kiss the hand of the invaders. the power has overuled us on every turn, actualy thrown us down the toilet, used and deceived us.
Bicker all you like, go venus project, go mars project, but reinstate the consitution or weve had it.
No one likes to talk about it do they, but if the truth were to be allowed and accepted, we all know what will be the final result of this evil abomination.

[sociostudent]

You obviously do not know Texans.

I AM texan. but Alex seems pretty grounded (most of the time, anyway, lol) for a texan, so I don't know....

[simjamlmx]

I agree that alex did lose it up to a point i do wish he would take a standing count sometimes and get his thoughts clear in his mind before he speaks. Saying that i do believe he recovered really well towards the end. I do believe whilst peter joseph is right in some of his thinking its just not a pratical thing. collectivism does not work on a mass scale. Peter joseph definately crossed the line too when he claimed that mood music in his videos where "artistic" and had nothing to do with manipulation, but in fact he uses the same tactics that a hollywood film does. So he's lying when he says his music is merely "artistic" just not true.

[deconstructmyhouse]

You gotta hand it to Alex, he's never claimed to be anything more than exactly what he is: my favorite quote:
"I'm just a red-neck who reads govt. declassified documents."

He takes no prisoners, and bears no grudges.

So why when he says what he is, why you all wanna turn him into some sort of diplomatic Miss Manners?  It's his radio show, and I bet nobody else has gotten Peter Joseph out of his little perfect idea box and blown his hair back like we just heard...

[trailhound]

 I think Alex is going light on him

[John Galt]

I am listening to this interview as I type this message.  I recommend everyone to listen to this.  Mark Dice remains calm, lets Mr. Joseph talk, and makes some very good points.

Now that you've listened to that interview, you realize that Mark Dice used many of the same tactics over a year ago that Alex used today. Neither Alex nor Mark is able to deal with Peter on the level, because of that first part of the original Zeitgeist that debunks the religion they still cling to.

[northoftheborder]

So I am listening to the interview right now, and Alex is indeed very inappropriate......and making fun of him talking about aliens. But anyways I think that Alex should open his mind and at least "try" to be nice to the guests that he does not agree with.  

+1

Whenever Alex has an interview like this set up he should switch to decaf! What a wasted opportunity this has been. It is another example of how when Alex encounters someone who has valid and logical arguments which counter and oppose his own, Alex basically regresses into Eric Cartman.    There was so much Alex could have said, but he failed to.

I had stopped listening for a while because of this behaviour. Slowly over the last couple of months I began listening again. Thought the Tsarion (love him or hate him) was great, but this interview was largely a waste of time and a wasted opportunity. Alex you blew it and let your listeners down by being a knob.  

[trailhound]

I had stopped listening for a while because of this behaviour. Slowly over the last couple of months I began listening again. Thought the Tsarion (love him or hate him) was great, but this interview was largely a waste of time and a wasted opportunity. Alex you blew it and let your listeners down by being a knob.

speak for yourself venus boy

[Wanted]

speak for yourself venus boy

prove it!

[DCUBED]

I think Alex is going light on him

AJ shouldn't be going "light" or "hard" on him. This is not a confrontation, it's an interview...or supposed to be.

[simjamlmx]

   " There was so much Alex could have said, but he failed to. "

I totally agree with that statement. He started off well, lost it slightly in the middle because he was reacting instead of thinking but the i think he finished very strong and yes he could have done so more with the whole interview. However peter joseph seems to claim that the nature,nurture debate, or discussion is over, i wasnt aware that anyone claimed any victory on that. i would say that, and again alex says this, it's a mixture of innate and conditioning what makes us what we are.

[InfoTruth]

AJ shouldn't be going "light" or "hard" on him. This is not a confrontation, it's an interview...or supposed to be.

More like a CIA interrogation technique!

[Pupil]

I am not impressed with this Zeitgeist guy. He's good at keeping his cool and sounding intellectual, but his arguments are completely assinine. He contradicts himself constantly, and some of his assertions are totally unfounded. In order to deal with the fact that they are unfounded he just says "self-evident" a lot. Intellectual vomit. To assert, for example, that humans have very little instinct and are almost purely a result of external conditioning and then say that the point needs no support because it is self evident is rediculous. Just look at his reactions to Alex's attacks - he says he is "offended." That is an instinctive reaction. He defeats his whole argument right there.  Then he just spins around in his tracks throwing out contradictions trying to explain something that has no basis in reality.

Having good diction and a cool disposition does not make your arguments valid.  

I would think that another very good debate could be had between PJ and Alan Watt, who is able to counter the vacuous intellectualism of PJ with solid intellectualism based on research, life experience and real understanding.

[derek17]

Now that you've listened to that interview, you realize that Mark Dice used many of the same tactics over a year ago that Alex used today. Neither Alex nor Mark is able to deal with Peter on the level, because of that first part of the original Zeitgeist that debunks the religion they still cling to.

You're right.  It seems that religion is the main obstacle standing in the way of Peter and Alex/Mark.  

[derek17]

I am not impressed with this Zeitgeist guy. He's good at keeping his cool and sounding intellectual, but his arguments are completely assinine. He contradicts himself constantly, and some of his assertions are totally unfounded. In order to deal with the fact that they are unfounded he just says "self-evident" a lot. Intellectual vomit. To assert, for example, that humans have very little instinct and are almost purely a result of external conditioning and then say that the point needs no support because it is self evident is rediculous. Just look at his reactions to Alex's attacks - he says he is "offended." That is an instinctive reaction. He defeats his whole argument right there.  Then he just spins around in his tracks throwing out contradictions trying to explain something that has no basis in reality.

Having good diction and a cool disposition does not make your arguments valid.  

I would think that another very good debate could be had between PJ and Alan Watt, who is able to counter the vacuous intellectualism of PJ with solid intellectualism based on research, life experience and real understanding.

That would be a great interview.

[Rock]

What the heck is wrong with you people.  Did you just wake up to how Alex thinks and behaves?  Did you bitch when he said 911 was an inside job over and over at MSNBC and Chris Mathews?

This guy is a total disinfo agent and you call Alex into question for being outraged?

Man...................................what happened to you guy's?  Where is Phil Donahue when I need him.

"Alex, please be calm, never use the bullhorn again and let lies fly...would ya please?  And if you want to be a talk show host play by the Utopian rules."

By god........we know there was no arguing or condescension spoken at the founders meeting.  They were GENTILE and Pleasant!


Now go back to American Idol and watch how nice Simon Cowell is.


Rock

[trailhound]

You're right.  It seems that religion is the main obstacle standing in the way of Peter and Alex/Mark.

 Nonsense, the bigger gap is because Alex is firmly rooted in reality and Peter apparently doesnt no shit about history and 'great societies.'

[DCUBED]

What the heck is wrong with you people.  Did you just wake up to how Alex thinks and behaves?  Did you bitch when he said 911 was an inside job over and over at MSNBC and Chris Mathews?

This guy is a total disinfo agent and you call Alex into question for being outraged?

Man...................................what happened to you guy's?  Where is Phil Donahue when I need him.

"Alex, please be calm, never use the bullhorn again and let lies fly...would ya please?  And if you want to be a talk show host play by the Utopian rules."

By god........we know there was no arguing or condescension spoken at the founders meeting.  They were GENTILE and Pleasant!


Now go back to American Idol and watch how nice Simon Cowell is.


Rock

Bullhorning someone and conducting an interview are two completely different things. 

[kenischange]

  " There was so much Alex could have said, but he failed to. "

I totally agree with that statement. He started off well, lost it slightly in the middle because he was reacting instead of thinking but the i think he finished very strong and yes he could have done so more with the whole interview. However peter joseph seems to claim that the nature,nurture debate, or discussion is over, i wasnt aware that anyone claimed any victory on that. i would say that, and again alex says this, it's a mixture of innate and conditioning what makes us what we are.

Also note that it is a false paradigm to believe there is a nurture vs nature debate TO win. In fact, there are nature (genetic) and there are nurture (learned/envirnmental) factors to our personalities. If you take what Peter J. says, then no human is born with a sexual attraction to anything and must learn what to be sexually attracted to. At some points he makes it sound like he thinks animals have instincts but not us superior humans, but then contradicts himself. He also then goes on to act like even animals do not have instincts, to the point of claiming that those breeds of dogs we know so well as being a bit anti-social by breeding are in fact only "antisocial" due to how they were brought up. So, how many people out there have a pitbull or rot that was never abused, and was not exposed to anything any different from some german shepard but that pitbull or rot grows up to be a freakin psycho? I'd bet everyone knows the reality here. We'd all need labotomies to be compatible with the Venus Project.

[Pupil]

This guy is a total disinfo agent and you call Alex into question for being outraged?

Not at all. I loved how Alex handled it. PJ was trying to call instinct irrelevant, and Alex's instinctive outrage completely destroyed his argument, simply by the fact that Alex had that reaction. It was brilliant to the point that AJ didn't even realize he destroyed PJ's argument without even trying.  AJ's very existence defeats PJ's argument.

[derek17]

What the heck is wrong with you people.  Did you just wake up to how Alex thinks and behaves?  Did you bitch when he said 911 was an inside job over and over at MSNBC and Chris Mathews?

This guy is a total disinfo agent and you call Alex into question for being outraged?

Man...................................what happened to you guy's?  Where is Phil Donahue when I need him.

"Alex, please be calm, never use the bullhorn again and let lies fly...would ya please?  And if you want to be a talk show host play by the Utopian rules."

By god........we know there was no arguing or condescension spoken at the founders meeting.  They were GENTILE and Pleasant!


Now go back to American Idol and watch how nice Simon Cowell.


Rock

What proof do you have to call Peter Joseph a disinfo agent?  I disagree with about everything he says, but a disinfo agent?  Maybe a arrogant spoiled brat with no sense of reality, but I think it is premature to call him a disino agent, I mean he has woken a lot of people up to the new world order.  If he is a disinfo agent, he is not covering it up very good.