Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[JTCoyoté]

A leopard cannot change it's spots!

--Oldyoti

"You can fool all of the people some of the time,
and some of the people all of the time, but you
can never fool all the people all the time."
~Abraham Lincoln

[Dig]

"You can fool all of the people some of the time,
and some of the people all of the time, but you
can never fool all the people all the time."
~Abraham Lincoln

Probably O/T, but oh well...

"You can fool some of the people some of the time and jerk the rest off" -Robin Williams, 1984

[Firewerk66]

A leopard cannot change it's spots!

Sure it can...just as someone who's been asleep to the NWO can become awakened to it horrors and vow to fight it.

[Dok]

His connections with his mentors and friends were obviously strained when he broke from Theosophy. He corresponded extensively with Emily Lutyens, something of a surrogate mother for him in the TS, and tried to downplay the break with the TS and not get sucked into conflict with his former followers. She accuses him of denying being the WT, and he responds, "You know, Mum, I have never denied it."

[ES]

It got lost in a mound of pepper.

Maybe we are lost in a mound of pepper. Now lets just chill out for a minute and listen to the wisdom of the Butthole Surfers song "Pepper".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4WUlNSx_Wk

[trailhound]

I can see how "patriots" find him and his story threatening - he is openly against organized religion and all barriers that include national borders:

I am a patriot who follows the teachings of Christ and i am not a fan of organized religion. You shouldnt limit your perceptions of people especially groups of people. The stereotyping divides us and most important it divides us on largely baseless notions.

Also i would point out that the film essentially calls for its own enforced collectivist religion while calling for the end of other religions.

[Firewerk66]

I am a patriot who follows the teachings of Christ and i am not a fan of organized religion. You shouldnt limit your perceptions of people especially groups of people. The stereotyping divides us and most important it divides us on largely baseless notions.

Also i would point out that the film essentially calls for its own enforced collectivist religion while calling for the end of other religions.

False. I challenge you to point out exactly where ZA calls for an "enforced collectivist religion".

[trailhound]

False.

 Ok so how do you propose getting rid of religion?

[Firewerk66]

I am a patriot who follows the teachings of Christ and i am not a fan of organized religion. You shouldnt limit your perceptions of people especially groups of people. The stereotyping divides us and most important it divides us on largely baseless notions.

Also i would point out that the film essentially calls for its own enforced collectivist religion while calling for the end of other religions.

Exactly what religion does.

[Firewerk66]

Ok so how do you propose getting rid of religion?

I dont propose it, do as thou wilt.

http://www.dowhatthouwilt.com/

[trailhound]

Exactly what religion does.

you cant blame the plane for being hijacked...

[trailhound]

Quote from: lostdog2323 on Today at 03:08:07 PM
Ok so how do you propose getting rid of religion?

I dont propose it, do as thou wilt.

http://www.dowhatthouwilt.com/

so we are in agreement and i follow the teachings of Christ. How am i standing in the way of the 'zeitgeist future utopia' ?
 
 
 

[Firewerk66]

you cant blame the plane for being hijacked...

which plane was that? the Christian plane? the Muslim plane? one does not need religion to know not to kill, steal, covet, lie, honor your parents, etc...

[trailhound]

one does not need religion to know not to kill, steal, covet, lie, honor your parents, etc...

 Ok i agree with you, but we are talking about why the makers of zeitgeist feel we need to get rid of religion altogether.

[Firewerk66]

Quote from: lostdog2323 on Today at 03:08:07 PM
Ok so how do you propose getting rid of religion?

so we are in agreement and i follow the teachings of Christ. How am i standing in the way of the 'zeitgeist future utopia' ?
 

you are not standing in the way, nobody says you (or anybody with religious beliefs) are. i love the Zeitgeist films and I even think that utopia idea is a bit far fetched. i'm playing the devils advocate here. no other so called truth film offers much in the way of solutions, either realistic or idealistic.

[stymo1]

I for one am about sick up and fed with this Zeitgeist distraction.
That's all it is ....a distraction.

[trailhound]

why do the the makers of zeitgeist feel we need to get rid of religion altogether firewerks?

[Firewerk66]

Ok i agree with you, but we are talking about why the makers of zeitgeist feel we need to get rid of religion altogether.

this is what is misleading here. the makers of Z1 & ZA NEVER once say, "We need to get rid of all religions and put in a one world religion." they point out quite astutely how our modern concept of popular religious practices have been hijacked, corrupted, and twisted to turn them into control mechanisms over the last 2000 years. think about it. how can something created 2000 years ago (say, christianity) remain in tact and in its purest forms. its been manipulated and twisted by opportunists into what we have today.

[trailhound]

they point out quite astutely how our modern concept of popular religious practices have been hijacked, corrupted, and twisted to turn them into control mechanisms over the last 2000 years.

and i agree with that observation. I also agree with a good bit of the premise of Z1's take on religion, especially the hijacked mind control religious bullshit. I did feel like they were suggesting getting rid of it all together like the communists did. If i am wrong i stand corrected.

 I look at the religious BS problem much like the drug problem. Banning it isnt going to work, people need to be educated about the negative drawbacks of smoking crack and listening to Pat Robertson.

[Firewerk66]

and i agree with that observation. I also agree with a good bit of the premise of Z1's take on religion, especially the hijacked mind control religious bullshit. I did feel like they were suggesting getting rid of it all together like the communists did. If i am wrong i stand corrected.

 I look at the religious BS problem much like the drug problem. Banning it isnt going to work, people need to be educated about the negative drawbacks of smoking crack and listening to Pat Robertson.

without question. banning things only makes people want it more.

[trailhound]

without question. banning things only makes people want it more.

right on. You want to make my religion more dear to me just try to force me to believe differently! Im a stubborn mule and will not move until its my own idea. Good call bro.

[JTCoyoté]

Yeah, I was referring to the money we all use...not the money everyone sits around dreaming about.

The money we have today isn't "merely a medium of exchange" it is a tool for control.

I see no difference between the people pushing a gold standard and the people pushing a technology based monetary system...neither one currently exists in the real world.

What you explained in your previous post was the justification for your opinion about the movie. 

I don't agree with it.  sorry.

I have bought a copy of Money Masters...it's very popular with the initiated.

And, I have given my friends Money Masters to watch...it's too long.  Period. 

But, after seeing Addendum, no one sent me a reply like, "Interesting Theories".  Which always tells me they watched 5 minutes.


I guess if Addendum is what the NWO is putting out, then we had better improve our operations.

Because Money Masters isn't half as watchable as either Zeitgeist movie.

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 I didn't have a lot of time last night, so I just hit on the money thing... but I do want to address your points with comment.

To implement a new world order, it will take the overwhelming support of the world's people. This requirement cannot easily be fulfilled, at least not in today's world. Chaos on a scale unprecedented in history would have to take place, even then, natural chaos will not do, since it does not discriminate. It will take all classes, races, ages and genders...

How then to assure the survival of the best and brightest, this has been the drive, and the ambition, to control the method whereby only those desired to survive would survive.  It is the basis and the goal of the eugenics movement, and has been since the early-19th century. It has always sought to sanction itself by convincing the people that there are too many people, and that population must be centrally controlled. They have justified their efforts citing the foundational works of the "East India Company College's" Professor of Political Economics, and author of 6 editions of, "An Essay on the Principle of Population" from 1805-1826, Thomas R. Malthus. These six editions slowly evolve the methods to be explored, and if proven worthy, implemented, by necessary means to selectively cull the human population.

With that said, now to The Propaganda Value of Zeitgeist Addendum.

The first four minutes, is a subliminal feast, and if you watch it slowly you will see that it prepares you for the overall theme of the movie, which in real time is a hard hitting sight and sound assault. Following that comes the segment on money, the movie is very accurate with regard to the worlds fractional reserve banking systems. Virtually all of the conclusions reached with regard to the money portion, are pretty much spot on.

The next segment deals with traditional institutions. here we see a little deception when it lumps the family in with the government, and churches, and the monetary system. There is no mention however of the "corporation", only job placement and the work place are seen as institutions as well. Unless of course the author sees the Corporation as being synonymous with the government. This is a bit telling and unfortunate, since Government and Corporation are two different things Constitutionally.  The movie is a bit vague in this, not telling the full story, but only hints at there being an unlawful connection between the government and the big oil and big money corporations. A connection that had the founding fathers seen it coming, they would have passed an amendment forbidding the unification on any level of Corporation and Government, as they did with the establishment clause for religion.

The movie continues, exploring the institutions within government, showing how the CIA and other covert organizations have co-opted popularly elected foreign governments, toppling these governments to unlawfully protect corporate interests. Interestingly, they are now unconstitutionally doing the same thing here at home.

This is one of the reasons why R. Buckminster Fuller, back in the 60's and 70's, referred to the CIA as Capitalism's Invisible Army. He would have been more accurate had he said Corporatism's Invisible Army. Anyway, this segment touches on some of the CIA's antics, but not all of them. It makes the point that there is something horribly wrong with the way our government is being run... an understatement since it is definitely not our intended Constitutional government.

Zeitgeist Addendum goes along fairly accurately until about 55 minutes in, when the futurists, designers, and techno-wizards enter, and begin tearing down what our system has become, which is okay, but they don't stop there. They wish to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and discard the foundations of our liberty as well. The Constitutional Foundations which were set aside, and mothballed, as the New World order trampled over them to power.

From there to the end of the movie, it is a new-age-esque call for unification, the very thing that the New World Order prays for, from its wage slave serfs. The idea that technology is THE challenge to the fundamental inadequacy of Malthus is true, but the idea that somehow a technocratic elite will not grow out of it if it is centralized, is a pipe dream. The last half of this movie, makes some good points with regard to technology, but drops the ball on how it should be used. Also on how it should be controlled. The last hour is surrounded with a collective utopist aura that will grab the uninitiated, swirl them around into thinking that this nebulous, almost vacuous Venus Project idea will some how miraculously alter human nature, and the "human condition", just because they state that there is ONLY human NURTURE.  This is fallacy...

Like I've said elsewhere, the theories and conclusions this movie presents, are the same used in Nazi Germany to involve the average man in the great technocratic evolution of the Reichman. Filled with the same vacuousness, and the same unachievablity.  When you consider the scope of the enterprise and when given the methods described for its implementation, much in this movie is just a sales job...

Zeitgeist Addendum, goes after capitalism in a big way, and in a very disturbing way, confusing free-market capitalism with the incredibly ugly, usury banking, Global Corporatism, we presently labor under. these two systems aren't even close to the same thing. Another disturbing fact, is that little time is spent on the atrocities of so-called "Communism", which the Soviet Union supposedly was. Truth is, the Soviet Union was technically, a monolithic systematic socialist state, with a ruling elite... very much like the Corporatism we have here in America today. So why is this corporate system not explored under the name communism...? Is it because it has already been explored under the misnomer of "free market capitalism"?

This movie, is remiss, in that it never touches upon the foundation of "Corporatism".  An 1895 book called "The Corporate State" by Rafaelo Viglioni, has the little known distinction, it was the inspiration, the blueprint if you will, for the implementation of a world corporate government. Copies of it could be found in the libraries of many political leaders such as Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Joseph Stalin, many copies in Benito Mussolini's library, as well as Adolf Hitler, among others. It was popular with many corporate leaders of the WW I-WWII era as well... This little book promoted a government that could be implemented by playing opposing systems, under central control against one another. Working in competition in a direction towards its final establishment... in essence, the NEW WORLD ORDER.

In any case one of the ways to control the common man, is to unify him against a global menace, like global warming, alien invasions, asteroid strikes, Al Quaeda, and so on. Always pointing away from what you, the elite, are doing, all to obfuscate attention. Yet when you're just about to close the trap you make parts of your system the menace, (Cold War Soviet threat), then allow one side to win and then consolidate. The first step in that direction was eliminating the part called Communism in 1989... Everyone relaxed, and thought, "now the world will be safe from nuclear war." And we let down our guard a little bit, until about 1992.

It was then that terrorism, from the real terrorists, began here in America... Ruby Ridge... Waco... the first World Trade Center bombing... Oklahoma City.  It was at this point that the Corporatists had succeeded in replacing the communist menace, by planting the seeds of terrorism and Al Qaeda here in America.

In any case, the solutions that are offered in the movie are the same tired, collectivist, communist, idealistic, stuff we saw in the 30's, then again in the 60's, and now retreaded for the 21st century. This solution proves only to enslave in the long run. They are collectivist solutions that will push us all into one narrow mindset, just like the Eloy in H.G. Wells' "The Time machine", ripe fruit for the New World Order Morlock's feast...

Bottom line, about 75-80% of this movie is useful information, some of the idea's including non-violent resistance are laudable.  Decentralizing, by getting off the grid is also a good idea, neither are new though.  Yet, the idea of submitting to the collective interdependent, universal mind, singularity, or the unified world religion they broach at 1hr 40min into the movie, well, we need to watch out for this, after all it is a world of opposites we live in, we must try to grasp that fundamental truth!

JTCoyoté

"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety
will have neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin

[Dig]

I dont propose it, do as thou wilt.

http://www.dowhatthouwilt.com/

Yes we are all familiar with Satanist Anton Lavay's (who appeared in in Rosemary's Baby and set up various satanic cults throughout the US) message.

I suppose Anton Lavay's satanic message is somewhat related to ZA now that I think about it.  Thanks for pointing out this now obvious connection.

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JT

Thanks for the analysis.  I enjoy reading what others think about movies...I studied film extensively in college.

What I liked most about the movie, on first viewing, was the money=slavery section.  The slave masters got tired of feeding and clothing the slaves, etc.  I think it does a great job of making people realize that they have been conditioned to see money one way...and it's reality may be different. 

I found the Venus Project part almost ridiculous.  I liked some of the alternative energy ideas, but noticed that they never said if we had the tech to make any of them a reality.  Frankly, I have heard more concise ideas of future society from stoners.  I also recognized it as someone dreaming and not doing...which probably caused me to discount much of it without thought.  Honestly, it reminds me of Marshall Masters(ex CNN science editor and owner of Your Own World Books) who has a YouTube channel where he "details" how the government knows Planet X is coming and has built tunnels for the societal elite.  Masters goes into great detail about the Utopia that will be built after the cataclysm.  He uses some of the pictures I found at the Venus Project website.  Circle cities, sea cities etc.  Masters comes right out and says the world will be better with less people.

Anyway, I now see that there is a religious message...and it is mostly Theosophical/Luciferian.  Which I can't consciously support.

I think, what I will do is cut just the Fiat Money=Slavery section away from the religious and use it like a trailer.  Let it prepare people to watch a more informative movie like Money Masters.  Use their own product against them. 

Thanks for taking the time to clarify.

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[Firewerk66]

Yes we are all familiar with Satanist Anton Lavay's (who appeared in in Rosemary's Baby and set up various satanic cults throughout the US) message.

I suppose Anton Lavay's satanic message is somewhat related to ZA now that I think about it.  Thanks for pointing out this now obvious connection.

You mean Aliester Crowley?

This laughable statement in akin to the current climate of saying blonde hair and blue eyed Al Qaeda is under every rock.....hmmm maybe i you are really Bill O'Reily sounds like something he'd say. 

LaVey wasnt in the movie Rosemary's Baby, BTW. Nice try.

[Firewerk66]

Anyway, I now see that there is a religious message...and it is mostly Theosophical/Luciferian.  Which I can't consciously support.

please enlighten the rest of us on the "Lucifarian Religious" message, because it sounds like you saw what you wanted to see because of the baggage you carried going into the movie.

Utopian? Yes. Unrealistic? Yes. Lucifarian?. Hell no.

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Sounds like you have some new age baggage you carry around.

There are a lot of people who have said great things about changing society, and weren't raised to believe they were the vessel for Maitreya Buddha...by a group of Lucifer Worshipers.  Occultists.  Why focus on Krishnamurti? 

I'm not religious. I don't go to church.  I don't pray.  But, I also don't trust those who seek guidance from the ether.  There is a lot of this channeling BS going around.  Someone's "enlightened spirit guide" told them a big UFO was going to appear today.  Ben Creme's spirit guide says that Maitreya is going to return and make himself known to everyone at the same time.  Bailey's spirit guides told her that Utopia would be built after great upheaval.  Blavatsky's guide told her to start the Theosophical Society.  Bahaiists also believe that we can communicate with spirit guides.

I don't need a spirit guide...I was born with the ability to tell light from dark and good from evil.  People like Blavatsky, Bailey, Crowley and LaVey are always trying to tell you that dark is light...and there is no evil.  Sounds like what the government does.  Curious, that the Cremation of Care is popular with those folks.

Anyway, when you put an occultist up front, it would seem to be a message.  Especially when you know most of your audience won't go find out whose sermon they are listening to. 

I just find it odd that the first small piece of research I did into this film brought an association to Occultists.  Especially the notorious, global version known as Theosophy.

I am going to post nowhere to run's analysis next...you can argue with that.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoKTmtoJQWA
Weird Illuminati symbolism in Zeitgeist

Timing is everything.
On September 29, the United States stock market crashed, falling 777 points. Just in time for the fallout, a worldwide financial collapse, the movie Zeitgeist Addendum was released. The film, right on cue, explains the obvious, how a flawed financial system failed, and how it exploited the hard work, savings and investments of all of those that lost their money to this system. It simultaneously heaps blame on free markets and religion, while calling for a global shift in consciousness.

This new paradigm is of course an old paradigm. It’s an open call for socialism. One need look no further than Karl Marx to see the parallels between Zeitgeist Addendum’s linking a distaste for free markets and religion. This should set off some rather loud alarm bells in the minds of patriotic and freedom loving Americans.

Most of those that have been actively observing the global elite have likewise understand that a pre-planned financial crash has been in the works for some time. Nickolas Sarozky president of the EU says he wants a new global economic system to rise out of the ashes of this crash which, in his own words is expressed as a "new world.” order.

Zeitgeist Addendum seems to further the cause for this New World Order, neo-socialist paradigm. With America politicians and representatives ignoring the masses and passing off the debt of banks on to the general public, one can see the seeds of new world socialism emerging right here in America. It’s no coincidence that just as the New World Order beings implementing marxist thought in so called free countries, Zeitgeist Addendum shows up to incite the masses in a global call for marxism.

If one should prefer to save 2 hours and skip watching Zeitgeist Addendum, its proposals are clearly spelled out in a relatively unknown book entitled “The Externalization of the Hierarchy” written by Alice Bailey. Actually Bailey claimed to have channeled an “Ascended Master” known as “the Tibetan” or Djwhal Khul who penned the book through her.

Bailey was also the founder of the theosophical Lucifer Trust (later changed to Lucis Trust). Please note, that the solution to the faltering global economy offered by Zeitgeist Addendum is "The Venus Project." Venus, also known as the morning star is synonymous with the term Lucifer.

Some of the highlights from Bailey’s The Externalization of the Heirarchy include the following:


For those that have seen Zeitgeist Addendum, this should sound familiar, as it is the basis for the
entire film.

Bailey’s EOTH also includes specifics as to the nature of the New World Order and the following are just some of the links between Bailey’s work and Zeitgeist Addendum:


One should first take into consideration the many similarities between Bailey and the marxist propaganda espoused in Zeitgeist Addendum. It is then a much simpler task to view the film’s open call for global socialism as one and the same as the New World Theosophical religious and social order being so aptly adhered to by the high level occultists that are, in fact the global elite.
In doing so, the following information should come as no shock and simply, further proof of collusion between two seemingly opposite groups. As you can see, they are no more opposite than Republican and Democrat. Outwardly so yes, but certainly behind the scenes both are controlled by the same invisible hand.

The Venus Project which has already in name been linked to Lucifer, is obviously a socialist movement. Founded by Jacque Fresco, upon first glance it may appear similar to one of the multitude of ill fated hippy communes of the 1960’s. But upon further study, it too is rooted in the same NWO/Occult/Theosophical belief structure.

One of the basic premises of The Venus Project is that we work towards having all of the Earth's resources as the common heritage of all the world's people. Anything less will simply result in a continuation of the same catalog of problems inherent in the present system.”

This is exactly what Bailey wrote of in The Externalization of the Hierarchy. The links between The Venus Project and the essence of Secret Societies does however run even deeper than the call for a communistic sharing of world resources.

33rd degree masonic author Manley P Hall said of America’s link to the new Atlantis, “The New Atlantis sets forth an ideal government of the earth. It foretells that day when in the midst of men there shall rise up a vast institution composed of the philosophic elect -- an order of illumined men banded together for the purpose of investigating the laws of life and the mysteries of the universe … The age of boundaries is closing, and we are approaching a nobler era when nations shall be no more; when the lines of race and caste shall be wiped out; when the whole earth shall be under one order, one government, one administrative body." -Manly P Hall "Lectures on
Ancient Philosophy," published by the Philosophical Research Society Inc, Los Angeles (1970)”

Hall, along side of Rosicrucians like Francis Bacon, clearly defined the New World Order’s drive to recreate Atlantis, and this theme clearly “resurfaces” in Fresco’s “architecture”, specifically in his “Circular City”. (pictured on the right)


The Circular City image (above) is one that is notably comparable to artistic visions of Atlantis based upon Plato’s description of the sunken city (below).



Another warning sign of Fresco’s New World Order mentality is
his desire to see technology steering mankind’s destiny. Many
patriots shiver at the idea of biometric identification, specifically
the idea of implantable microchips that could be used to track and
control humans in ways up until recently only envisioned in the
Bible. Fresco’s vision for the future of humanity goes well beyond
that of a simple microchip implant. He foresees humanity needing
to merge with machine or else risk de-evolution.


These are not mere coincidences. While seemingly “revolutionary” in thought, Fresco and his school of thought as espoused by the Zeitgeist vision of rebellion against the system are part and parcel of the same social upheaval being called for, not by humanitarians, but by those that have
been planning for the New World Order from it’s earliest stages.

It should also be noted that Zeitgeist Addendum begins and ends with speaking from Krisnamurti who was raised from boyhood by the Theosophical Society to be a "world teacher". Even though he broke from the group after declining to be the messiah he maintained a friendly relationship by most accounts.

 This is not unlike others within the “Truth Movement” such as Michael Tsarion, who openly admits he was, from an early age taught by theosophist if not raised by them. his connections to the group are quite interesting.

This peculiar affinity with the occult is nothing out of the ordinary with Zeitgeist. Part 1 of the initial Zeitgeist film was based on the work of a man that loved theosophy so much he apprently named himself Jordan Maxwell after Helena Blavatsky's "Jordanus Maximus". (see also Debunking Jordan Maxwell)


Before discounting the political power of Theosophy and its desire to infiltrate the truth seekers you need to understand its concept of seed groups. These groups were sent forth to work in stealth so as to be nurtured without competition from those that would see them for what they truly are. When one wonders how or why anyone offering truth about the occult could in fact be
part of the New World Order, they need look no further than Alice Bailey.

One of the most specific goals of the theosophist, as dictated in The Externalization of the Hierarchy is the following:


According to the Theosophy, starting with it’s founder Blavatsky, god is really Lucifer. This is luciferian theology, not Christian doctrine.


Zeitgeist Addendum held over one central theme from its predecessor, that Jesus was and is just another name for all of the other gods of antiquity. Unfortunately in Zeitgeist’s extensive reference material webpage and/or reference book there is nothing that specifically backs up any of these claims.
If you can prove the claims in Part 1 of
Zeitgeist, by all means follow the links and win yourself some money.
http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Challenge.html
http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/

There is actually a good reason why theosophy wants to particularly discredit this on particular religion this youtube video by a non-christian sums it up nicely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPXc1QcmYDY

It should be noted that any critical thinker can’t help but to agree with many of the practical points and issues raised in the Zeitgeist Addendum. It is however, so very important to be cautious about who we as truth seekers run to while trying to seek understanding in these confusing times.

The key to understanding why the New World Order has chosen to expose itself lies in Bailey’s Externalization of the Heirarchy.

“The new world order must be appropriate to a world which has passed through a destructive crisis and to a humanity which is badly shattered by the experience. The new world order must lay the foundation for a future world order which will be possible only after a time of recovery, of reconstruction, and of rebuilding.”

You know about Bohemian Grove. You know the signs and symbols that prove the elitists working towards a New World Order are part of a luciferian death cult. Now you need to ask yourself why those working to expose the New World Order are also linked to the same luciferian and occult beliefs.

The New World Order seems to have emerged to play the scapegoat for the order that will follow it. This second world order is the Theosophists’ Kingdom of God. Blavatsky told us who their god is. It is Lucifer. And how better a way to have a luciferian antichrist arrive on the scene, to be taken seriously by all as he crushes the New World Order, seemingly rescuing all of humanity
from the clutches of its tyrannical all seeing eye.

Some more interesting articles on Zeitgeist 2 Addendum

Zeitgeist 2 propagandizing natural law!!
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1439;sa=showPosts

Zeitgeist Addendum = Steaming Pile of NWO Propaganda
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/67072

Alex Jones Tv:Zeitgeist Addendum"The Review"1/3
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyQtN4HY4Ko[/media]

My take on Zeitgeist: Addendum and The Venus Project.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread399375/pg1

[Rock]

37...

 I didn't have a lot of time last night, so I just hit on the money thing... but I do want to address your points with comment.

To implement a new world order, it will take the overwhelming support of the world's people. This requirement cannot easily be fulfilled, at least not in today's world. Chaos on a scale unprecedented in history would have to take place, even then, natural chaos will not do, since it does not discriminate. It will take all classes, races, ages and genders...

How then to assure the survival of the best and brightest, this has been the drive, and the ambition, to control the method whereby only those desired to survive would survive.  It is the basis and the goal of the eugenics movement, and has been since the early-19th century. It has always sought to sanction itself by convincing the people that there are too many people, and that population must be centrally controlled. They have justified their efforts citing the foundational works of the "East India Company College's" Professor of Political Economics, and author of 6 editions of, "An Essay on the Principle of Population" from 1805-1826, Thomas R. Malthus. These six editions slowly evolve the methods to be explored, and if proven worthy, implemented, by necessary means to selectively cull the human population.

With that said, now to The Propaganda Value of Zeitgeist Addendum.

The first four minutes, is a subliminal feast, and if you watch it slowly you will see that it prepares you for the overall theme of the movie, which in real time is a hard hitting sight and sound assault. Following that comes the segment on money, the movie is very accurate with regard to the worlds fractional reserve banking systems. Virtually all of the conclusions reached with regard to the money portion, are pretty much spot on.

The next segment deals with traditional institutions. here we see a little deception when it lumps the family in with the government, and churches, and the monetary system. There is no mention however of the "corporation", only job placement and the work place are seen as institutions as well. Unless of course the author sees the Corporation as being synonymous with the government. This is a bit telling and unfortunate, since Government and Corporation are two different things Constitutionally.  The movie is a bit vague in this, not telling the full story, but only hints at there being an unlawful connection between the government and the big oil and big money corporations. A connection that had the founding fathers seen it coming, they would have passed an amendment forbidding the unification on any level of Corporation and Government, as they did with the establishment clause for religion.

The movie continues, exploring the institutions within government, showing how the CIA and other covert organizations have co-opted popularly elected foreign governments, toppling these governments to unlawfully protect corporate interests. Interestingly, they are now unconstitutionally doing the same thing here at home.

This is one of the reasons why R. Buckminster Fuller, back in the 60's and 70's, referred to the CIA as Capitalism's Invisible Army. He would have been more accurate had he said Corporatism's Invisible Army. Anyway, this segment touches on some of the CIA's antics, but not all of them. It makes the point that there is something horribly wrong with the way our government is being run... an understatement since it is definitely not our intended Constitutional government.

Zeitgeist Addendum goes along fairly accurately until about 55 minutes in, when the futurists, designers, and techno-wizards enter, and begin tearing down what our system has become, which is okay, but they don't stop there. They wish to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and discard the foundations of our liberty as well. The Constitutional Foundations which were set aside, and mothballed, as the New World order trampled over them to power.

From there to the end of the movie, it is a new-age-esque call for unification, the very thing that the New World Order prays for, from its wage slave serfs. The idea that technology is THE challenge to the fundamental inadequacy of Malthus is true, but the idea that somehow a technocratic elite will not grow out of it if it is centralized, is a pipe dream. The last half of this movie, makes some good points with regard to technology, but drops the ball on how it should be used. Also on how it should be controlled. The last hour is surrounded with a collective utopist aura that will grab the uninitiated, swirl them around into thinking that this nebulous, almost vacuous Venus Project idea will some how miraculously alter human nature, and the "human condition", just because they state that there is ONLY human NURTURE.  This is fallacy...

Like I've said elsewhere, the theories and conclusions this movie presents, are the same used in Nazi Germany to involve the average man in the great technocratic evolution of the Reichman. Filled with the same vacuousness, and the same unachievablity.  When you consider the scope of the enterprise and when given the methods described for its implementation, much in this movie is just a sales job...

Zeitgeist Addendum, goes after capitalism in a big way, and in a very disturbing way, confusing free-market capitalism with the incredibly ugly, usury banking, Global Corporatism, we presently labor under. these two systems aren't even close to the same thing. Another disturbing fact, is that little time is spent on the atrocities of so-called "Communism", which the Soviet Union supposedly was. Truth is, the Soviet Union was technically, a monolithic systematic socialist state, with a ruling elite... very much like the Corporatism we have here in America today. So why is this corporate system not explored under the name communism...? Is it because it has already been explored under the misnomer of "free market capitalism"?

This movie, is remiss, in that it never touches upon the foundation of "Corporatism".  An 1895 book called "The Corporate State" by Rafaelo Viglioni, has the little known distinction, it was the inspiration, the blueprint if you will, for the implementation of a world corporate government. Copies of it could be found in the libraries of many political leaders such as Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Joseph Stalin, many copies in Benito Mussolini's library, as well as Adolf Hitler, among others. It was popular with many corporate leaders of the WW I-WWII era as well... This little book promoted a government that could be implemented by playing opposing systems, under central control against one another. Working in competition in a direction towards its final establishment... in essence, the NEW WORLD ORDER.

In any case one of the ways to control the common man, is to unify him against a global menace, like global warming, alien invasions, asteroid strikes, Al Quaeda, and so on. Always pointing away from what you, the elite, are doing, all to obfuscate attention. Yet when you're just about to close the trap you make parts of your system the menace, (Cold War Soviet threat), then allow one side to win and then consolidate. The first step in that direction was eliminating the part called Communism in 1989... Everyone relaxed, and thought, "now the world will be safe from nuclear war." And we let down our guard a little bit, until about 1992.

It was then that terrorism, from the real terrorists, began here in America... Ruby Ridge... Waco... the first World Trade Center bombing... Oklahoma City.  It was at this point that the Corporatists had succeeded in replacing the communist menace, by planting the seeds of terrorism and Al Qaeda here in America.

In any case, the solutions that are offered in the movie are the same tired, collectivist, communist, idealistic, stuff we saw in the 30's, then again in the 60's, and now retreaded for the 21st century. This solution proves only to enslave in the long run. They are collectivist solutions that will push us all into one narrow mindset, just like the Eloy in H.G. Wells' "The Time machine", ripe fruit for the New World Order Morlock's feast...

In any case, about 75-80% of this movie is useful information, some of the idea's including non-violent resistance are laudable.  Decentralizing, by getting off the grid is also a good idea, neither are new though.  Yet, the idea of submitting to the collective interdependent, universal mind, singularity, or the unified world religion they broach at 1hr 40min into the movie, well, we need to watch out for this, after all it is a world of opposites we live in, we must try to grasp that fundamental truth!

JTCoyoté

"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety
will have neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin

Post of the year JT.  What a post!

I can tell you are off the fluoride and have your wits about you.  That post is spot on.



Rock

[37]

My earlier reference to Marshall Masters is more accurate than I thought.  I went back and watched his vision of the Post-Planet X Society.  He talks about Gene Roddenbury (which coincidentally one of my friends mentioned after watching ZA) and a "Star Trek future".  Masters says that money will be history, we'll have a "resource based economy".  He also discusses Jacques Fresco and the Venus Project.


Surviving 2012 and Planet X - Part 5 of 5: Beyond 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zero0Y6TCA8&feature=PlayList&p=0800B263F24EF216&index=4

Like ZA, Surviving 2012 and Planet X is very watchable.  It is professionally constructed and slickly presented.  Masters worked for CNN.

He has taken a lot of heat on YouTube and pretty much quit posting his own videos.  Everyone recognizes him as a huckster...he's trying to sell books.  Just something interesting to think about. 

To implement a new world order, it will take the overwhelming support of the world's people. This requirement cannot easily be fulfilled, at least not in today's world. Chaos on a scale unprecedented in history would have to take place, even then, natural chaos will not do, since it does not discriminate. It will take all classes, races, ages and genders...

That's the plan...according to Theosophist Alice Bailey and her Spirit co-author...
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/externalisation/exte1082.html

1. The new world order must be appropriate to a world which has passed through a destructive crisis and to a humanity which is badly shattered by the experience.

2. The new world order must lay the foundation for a future world order which will be possible only after a time of recovery, of reconstruction, and of rebuilding.

Masters also likes to talk about Planet X looking like "a second sun in the sky"...


Which is a popular symbol in Luciferian circles.
This new star will bring the chaos which will enlighten us.

BTW, Venus is often called the Morning Star. 

Here is how Theosophist founder Blavatsky described Lucifer in her work The Secret Doctrine...
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-1-04.htm

“The devil is now called Darkness by the Church, whereas, in the Bible he is called the "Son of God", the bright star of the early morning, Lucifer. There is a whole philosophy of dogmatic craft in the reason why the first Archangel, who sprang from the depths of Chaos, was called Lux (Lucifer), the "Luminous Son of the Morning," or man- vantaric Dawn. He was transformed by the Church into Lucifer or Satan, because he is higher and older than Jehovah, and had to be sacrificed to the new dogma."

Everyone should check into that post by nowhere to run...he provides sources.

[JTCoyoté]

Alex will have "Peter Joseph" the creator of the Zeitgeists on for 2 hrs Tomorrow, Wednesday 10/15/08.

--Oldyoti

"The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives
in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world,
precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and
economic turmoil to our people." ~Ron Paul

[Rock]

Alex will have "Peter Joseph" the creator of the Zeitgeists on for 2 hrs Tomorrow, Wednesday 10/15/08.

--Oldyoti

"The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives
in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world,
precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and
economic turmoil to our people." ~Ron Paul

WOW!

[JTCoyoté]

Alex will have "Peter Joseph" the creator of the Zeitgeists on for 2 hrs Tomorrow, Wednesday 10/15/08.

--Oldyoti

"The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives
in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world,
precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and
economic turmoil to our people." ~Ron Paul

[JTCoyoté]

WOW!

Thanks for the thumbs up, Rock...

As 37 pointed out, the Neo-slavery (wage-slavery) discussed in the movie was also well stated.

JTCoyoté

"Setting a good example is a far better way
to spread ideals than through force of arms."
~Dr. Ron Paul

[InfoTruth]

Alex will have "Peter Joseph" the creator of the Zeitgeists on for 2 hrs Tomorrow, Wednesday 10/15/08.

--Oldyoti

"The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives
in Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world,
precipitating no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and
economic turmoil to our people." ~Ron Paul

This is from the zeitgeist website.

(1) There is a rumor going around that Peter Joseph's real name is James Coyman. Is this true?

This rumor was started by an anti-zeitgeist website which took GMP LLC and punched it into a NY LLC database. The result is here. What wasn't realized by this party is that "GMP LLC" is a reference entity of a different agent, in a different state.

We apologize to Mr. Coyman if he has been bothered by anyone.

I don't know why he would lie about his name but I guess you can call and ask him that tomorrow? I'm hoping Alex can use this interview tomorrow as a way to unite instead of causing more division. Another thing that bothers me is how Alex keeps claiming that Zeitgeist called for one world government, that is a total lie I've watched the film several times and no where does it say that.

[JTCoyoté]

To implement a new world order, it will take the overwhelming support of the world's people. This requirement cannot easily be fulfilled, at least not in today's world. Chaos on a scale unprecedented in history would have to take place, even then, natural chaos will not do, since it does not discriminate. It will take all classes, races, ages and genders...

How then to assure the survival of the best and brightest, this has been the drive, and the ambition, to control the method whereby only those desired to survive would survive.  It is the basis and the goal of the eugenics movement, and has been since the early-19th century. It has always sought to sanction itself by convincing the people that there are too many people, and that population must be centrally controlled. They have justified their efforts citing the foundational works of the "East India Company College's" Professor of Political Economics, and author of 6 editions of, "An Essay on the Principle of Population" from 1805-1826, Thomas R. Malthus. These six editions slowly evolve the methods to be explored, and if proven worthy, implemented, by necessary means to selectively cull the human population.

With that said, now to The Propaganda Value of Zeitgeist Addendum.

The first four minutes, is a subliminal feast, and if you watch it slowly you will see that it prepares you for the overall theme of the movie, which in real time is a hard hitting sight and sound assault. Following that comes the segment on money, the movie is very accurate with regard to the worlds fractional reserve banking systems. Virtually all of the conclusions reached with regard to the money portion, are pretty much spot on.

The next segment deals with traditional institutions. here we see a little deception when it lumps the family in with the government, and churches, and the monetary system. There is no mention however of the "corporation", only job placement and the work place are seen as institutions as well. Unless of course the author sees the Corporation as being synonymous with the government. This is a bit telling and unfortunate, since Government and Corporation are two different things Constitutionally.  The movie is a bit vague in this, not telling the full story, but only hints at there being an unlawful connection between the government and the big oil and big money corporations. A connection that had the founding fathers seen it coming, they would have passed an amendment forbidding the unification on any level of Corporation and Government, as they did with the establishment clause for religion.

The movie continues, exploring the institutions within government, showing how the CIA and other covert organizations have co-opted popularly elected foreign governments, toppling these governments to unlawfully protect corporate interests. Interestingly, they are now unconstitutionally doing the same thing here at home.

This is one of the reasons why R. Buckminster Fuller, back in the 60's and 70's, referred to the CIA as Capitalism's Invisible Army. He would have been more accurate had he said Corporatism's Invisible Army. Anyway, this segment touches on some of the CIA's antics, but not all of them. It makes the point that there is something horribly wrong with the way our government is being run... an understatement since it is definitely not our intended Constitutional government.

Zeitgeist Addendum goes along fairly accurately until about 55 minutes in, when the futurists, designers, and techno-wizards enter, and begin tearing down what our system has become, which is okay, but they don't stop there. They wish to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and discard the foundations of our liberty as well. The Constitutional Foundations which were set aside, and mothballed, as the New World order trampled over them to power.

From there to the end of the movie, it is a new-age-esque call for unification, the very thing that the New World Order prays for, from its wage slave serfs. The idea that technology is THE challenge to the fundamental inadequacy of Malthus is true, but the idea that somehow a technocratic elite will not grow out of it if it is centralized, is a pipe dream. The last half of this movie, makes some good points with regard to technology, but drops the ball on how it should be used. Also on how it should be controlled. The last hour is surrounded with a collective utopist aura that will grab the uninitiated, swirl them around into thinking that this nebulous, almost vacuous Venus Project idea will some how miraculously alter human nature, and the "human condition", just because they state that there is ONLY human NURTURE.  This is fallacy...

Like I've said elsewhere, the theories and conclusions this movie presents, are the same used in Nazi Germany to involve the average man in the great technocratic evolution of the Reichman. Filled with the same vacuousness, and the same unachievablity.  When you consider the scope of the enterprise and when given the methods described for its implementation, much in this movie is just a sales job...

Zeitgeist Addendum, goes after capitalism in a big way, and in a very disturbing way, confusing free-market capitalism with the incredibly ugly, usury banking, Global Corporatism, we presently labor under. these two systems aren't even close to the same thing. Another disturbing fact, is that little time is spent on the atrocities of so-called "Communism", which the Soviet Union supposedly was. Truth is, the Soviet Union was technically, a monolithic systematic socialist state, with a ruling elite... very much like the Corporatism we have here in America today. So why is this corporate system not explored under the name communism...? Is it because it has already been explored under the misnomer of "free market capitalism"?

This movie, is remiss, in that it never touches upon the foundation of "Corporatism".  An 1895 book called "The Corporate State" by Rafaelo Viglioni, has the little known distinction, it was the inspiration, the blueprint if you will, for the implementation of a world corporate government. Copies of it could be found in the libraries of many political leaders such as Franklin D. Roosevelt, Winston Churchill, Joseph Stalin, many copies in Benito Mussolini's library, as well as Adolf Hitler, among others. It was popular with many corporate leaders of the WW I-WWII era as well... This little book promoted a government that could be implemented by playing opposing systems, under central control against one another. Working in competition in a direction towards its final establishment... in essence, the NEW WORLD ORDER.

In any case one of the ways to control the common man, is to unify him against a global menace, like global warming, alien invasions, asteroid strikes, Al Quaeda, and so on. Always pointing away from what you, the elite, are doing, all to obfuscate attention. Yet when you're just about to close the trap you make parts of your system the menace, (Cold War Soviet threat), then allow one side to win and then consolidate. The first step in that direction was eliminating the part called Communism in 1989... Everyone relaxed, and thought, "now the world will be safe from nuclear war." And we let down our guard a little bit, until about 1992.

It was then that terrorism, from the real terrorists, began here in America... Ruby Ridge... Waco... the first World Trade Center bombing... Oklahoma City.  It was at this point that the Corporatists had succeeded in replacing the communist menace, by planting the seeds of terrorism and Al Qaeda here in America.

In any case, the solutions that are offered in the movie are the same tired, collectivist, communist, idealistic, stuff we saw in the 30's, then again in the 60's, and now retreaded for the 21st century. This solution proves only to enslave in the long run. They are collectivist solutions that will push us all into one narrow mindset, just like the Eloy in H.G. Wells' "The Time machine", ripe fruit for the New World Order Morlock's feast...

Bottom line, about 75-80% of this movie is useful information, some of the idea's including non-violent resistance are laudable.  Decentralizing, by getting off the grid is also a good idea, neither are new though.  Yet, the idea of submitting to the collective interdependent, universal mind, singularity, or the unified world religion they broach at 1hr 40min into the movie, well, we need to watch out for this, after all it is a world of opposites we live in, we must try to grasp that fundamental truth!

JTCoyoté

"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety
will have neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin

[JTCoyoté]

This is from the zeitgeist website.

I don't know why he would lie about his name but I guess you can call and ask him that tomorrow? I'm hoping Alex can use this interview tomorrow as a way to unite instead of causing more division. Another thing that bothers me is how Alex keeps claiming that Zeitgeist called for one world government, that is a total lie I've watched the film several times and no where does it say that.

The reason for the rumor, is because there are questions concerning the complete lack of a bio or photo on IMDB or other movie and video fact sites...

JTCoyoté

“We are under martial law folks, it's just what degree
of it. We are in the pot, and on the stove, it's on medium, and
our butt is starting to burn. This isn't a game. You're going to
get hurt real bad unless you start screaming bloody murder."
~Alex Jones, on the air, 9/19/08

[JTCoyoté]

Peter Joseph just said that Christianity is a rejection of new information because it is a faith based system... that is a load of crap...

Christianity, is based upon the teachings of Jesus Christ... the problem is in the orthodoxy and dogmatic systems that have grown up around these teachings, and should not be confused with Christianity.

JTCoyoté

"At this Juncture in the Infowar, discussions of religion, a dozen
Christian sects squabbling", is all a "tar baby" when our
Constitution is under attack by the New World Order!"
 ~Alex Jones, on air 12-16-07

[Capt. Obvious]

anything that doesn't take in new information but rather shun it is a religion. The only way we really know anything is through the scientific method.

He wants intellectuals to rule. No thanks

[Capt. Obvious]

"our conditioning is everything"

"The materialist doctrine concerning the changing of circumstances and upbringing [that men are products of circumstances and upbringing and that therefore changed men are products of other circumstances and changed upbringing] forgets that circumstances are changed by men [themselves], and that it is essential to educate the educator himself. Hence this doctrine must [necessarily haue the effect to] divide society into two parts, one of which is superior to society." -Karl Marx http://www.marxists.org/archive/draper/1971/xx/emancipation.html

BF Skinner's operant conditioning:

"Operant conditioning is the use of consequences to modify the occurrence and form of behavior. Operant conditioning is distinguished from classical conditioning (also called respondent conditioning, or Pavlovian conditioning) in that operant conditioning deals with the modification of "voluntary behavior" or operant behavior. Operant behavior "operates" on the environment and is maintained by its consequences, while classical conditioning deals with the conditioning of respondent behaviors which are elicited by antecedent conditions. Behaviors conditioned via a classical conditioning procedure are not maintained by consequences." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning