Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[InfoTruth]

Do you want to see the means to the end that mirrors this movie.  Is your faith in humanity and its survival based on the forward thinking of this movie?

If you say yes, than that is faith.  


Rock

No it's not. I've said numerous that I don't fully agree with his solutions. You're misinterpreting what I'm saying.

[Rock]

This is ridiculous,anyone who's against religion is part of the nwo concept? Is this what you're saying? So shouldn't the truth movement really be a religious movement instead?

So you are against my freedom to practice religion I choose?  SO I should submit to the NWO thinking?



Rock

[Wanted]

I think instead of asking questions, you guys you should actually answer them. But anyways.....play nice.   

[InfoTruth]

So you are against my freedom to practice religion I choose?  SO I should submit to the NWO thinking?



Rock

No I'm not against your freedom to practice religion, you can practice whatever you want. I'm not a control freak, I'm not going to condemn you to hell just because you don't agree with me. The main thing is we're supposed to work out our differences and not accuse each other of unknowingly working for the dark side.

[Dig]

There is a wealth of information in this thread.  I think most questions were answered, but for the sake of argument...

Is there a question remaining concerning ZA?

[thrashbassist]

Against religion... you have no concept what you just said...

That is a NWO concept... you have bought this thing hook line and sinker... Google New world (spirituality) religion... Google Baca Ranch Maurice Strong...

Reel this lunker in boys he is hooked well!

--Oldyoti

"Religion flourishes in greater purity, without
than with the aid of Government."
~James Madison

I'm glad someone caught that. Might I add to your point though that the NWO brand of spirituality only effects those who shun religion but still look to others (or a film) to provide an answer (which sort of negates the purpose of being a free-thinking individual). This is why I have always advocated looking to nobody but yourself to make sense of spirituality. But that's a different discussion altogether.

People, take Addendum for what it is: a film presenting someone else's opinion. Are there less-than-honorable motives present? I don't know, but it shouldn't matter if you're not the kind of person to let one film form your opinion. Unfortunately, I see many supposed "truthers" hanging on to every word of people like Coyman, Icke, Rense, and even Alex Jones without investigation.

[Rock]

I think instead of asking questions, you guys you should actually answer them. But anyways.....play nice.   

Well, we try to spell things out but...............


Zietgeist Addendum believes the crushing of personal freedom of ones religion is for the greater good.  So does the NWO.  But if your a Jesus fan he say's this at Daniel 2:44.  I think Jesus would do a better job than the collective society.  But that's faith.


As for Infotruth:  Peace brother, I am only playing devils advocate with you.  Nothing personal.

Rock

[InfoTruth]

I'm glad someone caught that. Might I add to your point though that the NWO brand of spirituality only effects those who shun religion but still look to others (or a film) to provide an answer (which sort of negates the purpose of being a free-thinking individual). This is why I have always advocated looking to nobody but yourself to make sense of spirituality. But that's a different discussion altogether.

I totally agree with your point. Everyone should look within themselves for the answers, they should let a video or a book decided how they are going to live their life.

People, take Addendum for what it is: a film presenting someone else's opinion. Are there less-than-honorable motives present? I don't know, but it shouldn't matter if you're not the kind of person to let one film form your opinion. Unfortunately, I see many supposed "truthers" hanging on to every word of people like Coyman, Icke, Rense, and even Alex Jones without investigation.

I agree again. It's just someone else opinion that is against all forms of establishments and offers different types of solution that no one agrees with. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you have to lump it in with the nwo.

[dogmadestroyer]

I'm glad someone caught that. Might I add to your point though that the NWO brand of spirituality only effects those who shun religion but still look to others (or a film) to provide an answer (which sort of negates the purpose of being a free-thinking individual). This is why I have always advocated looking to nobody but yourself to make sense of spirituality. But that's a different discussion altogether.

People, take Addendum for what it is: a film presenting someone else's opinion. Are there less-than-honorable motives present? I don't know, but it shouldn't matter if you're not the kind of person to let one film form your opinion. Unfortunately, I see many supposed "truthers" hanging on to every word of people like Coyman, Icke, Rense, and even Alex Jones without investigation.

+5000

[InfoTruth]

As for Infotruth:  Peace brother, I am only playing devils advocate with you.  Nothing personal.

Rock

Dude i'm way ahead of you.

[JTCoyoté]

I don't have a religion and I don't worship Zeitgeist as a matter of fact i said i don't fully agree with the solution. So I don't know where you're getting at with saying that this is a new religion.

That's fine for you... But you are ready to remove my right to have a religion based on your new religion masking as a new world order... as exemplified by Zeitgeist Addendum... Spirituality my A$$!

JTCoyoté

"The internal effects of a mutable policy poisons
the blessings of liberty itself."
~James Madison

[InfoTruth]

That's fine for you... But you are ready to remove my right to have one based on your new religion masking as a new world order as exemplified by Zeitgeist Addendum... Spirituality may A$$!

JTCoyoté

"The internal effects of a mutable policy poisons
the blessings of liberty itself."
~James Madison

Where did I say that you have no right to practice your religion? I've already said numerous times that anyone can practice anythingthey want as long as they don't harm anyone. Like i said i'm not condemning anyone to hell for their beliefs I'm looking past that because that's the only way we can work together,wouldn't you agree with that? Isn't that the point of this great movement that's happening right now?

[Rock]

There is a wealth of information in this thread.  I think most questions were answered, but for the sake of argument...

Is there a question remaining concerning ZA?

propeganda

[InfoTruth]

Yep

[JTCoyoté]

I totally agree with your point. Everyone should look within themselves for the answers, they should let a video or a book decided how they are going to live their life.

I agree again. It's just someone else opinion that is against all forms of establishments and offers different types of solution that no one agrees with. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean you have to lump it in with the nwo.

Those who do the research, and those who have been doing research for decades, even before you could type in a question and get an answer from Google... will give search terms, as Alex does, and let you research it for yourself... But most folks are too intellectually lazy, and many of them have bought into this Bernaysian,  futuristic extravaganza... from the git go and see us as the enemy now...

""He is fighting the federal reserve... just like Alex..."" okay, but the solution is all wrong...

And where do you lump it in then... if it serves the New World order, do you make it part of the main patriot network of useful videos, books and audios...? I don't think so... There is no Peter Joseph...

And the fact that there would be no state... no peoples governmental seat of power... therefore no representation of the people... is not a good thing... especially when you consider that the power of the computer control would be in the hands of the multinational corporations... you are seeing that takeover right now, with the multi-trillion dollar bailout of the international banks.

JTCoyoté

"The people are the only legitimate fountain of power,
and it is from them that the constitutional charter,
under which the several branches of government
hold their power, is derived."
~James Madison

[InfoTruth]

Those who do the research, and those who have been doing research for decades, even before you could type in a question and get an answer from Google... will give search terms, as Alex does, and let you research it for yourself... But most folks are too intellectually lazy, and many of them have bought into this Bernaysian,  futuristic extravaganza... from the git go and see us as the enemy now...

I meant to say they shouldn't let a video or book decide how they're going to live their life. I was typing to fast to notice the mistakes.

""He is fighting the federal reserve... just like Alex..."" okay, but the solution is all wrong...

Ok but you're not any closer to the truth than he is. Can't he have a different opinion and solution than you? If not can you provide a solution for us since you've been researching this for decades and clearly you never used google.

And where do you lump it in then... if it serves the New World order, do you make it part of the main patriot network of useful videos, books and audios...? I don't think so... There is no Peter Joseph...

I'm not lumping Zeitgeist to any categories, it's just his opinion and isn't the nwo order pro 1 world religion? Where in Zeitgeist does he promote a different religion or a 1 world religion?

And the fact that there would be no state... no peoples governmental seat of power... therefore no representation of the people... is not a good thing... especially when you consider that the power of the computer control would be in the hands of the multinational corporations... you are seeing that takeover right now, with the multi-trillion dollar bailout of the international banks.

Don't you know the governments will continue to take advantage of the people? You really think a Ron Paul will ever be elected under this monetary system? That's naive right there. Governments through out history like Alex points always enslaves the people and even those founded on good intentions eventually will corrupt because of the human mindset. We have to change the way we think if want humanity to progress into a better world.

[JTCoyoté]

No I'm not against your freedom to practice religion, you can practice whatever you want. I'm not a control freak, I'm not going to condemn you to hell just because you don't agree with me. The main thing is we're supposed to work out our differences and not accuse each other of unknowingly working for the dark side.

Right here!!!

Eh it's not a religion as a matter of fact its against all religions but not against spirituality. It's really amazing that there is someone who isn't afraid to think out side the box.

To call Rock, as being in a box in the first place, that he has to think outside of... well,  you will get your ears boxed for that one... by-cracky...

Yep Rock... this will rival the religion threads... in ridiculousness...

All these pups never learned the foundation of America... they just got the elitist Marxian stuff feed to them daily in the govt. indoctrination centers...

--Oldyoti

"He that would make his own liberty secure,
must guard even his enemy from oppression;
for if he violates this duty, he establishes a
precedent that will reach to himself."
~Thomas Paine

[InfoTruth]

Right here!!!

Call Rock as being in a box, that he has to think outside of... and you will get your ears boxed... by-cracky...

Yep this will rival the religion threads... in ridiculousness

All these pups never learned the foundation of America... they just got the elitist Marxian stuff feed to them daily in the govt. indoctrination centers...

--Oldyoti

"He that would make his own liberty secure,
must guard even his enemy from oppression;
for if he violates this duty, he establishes a
precedent that will reach to himself."
~Thomas Paine

I don't really understand what you're saying and what you're trying to do here. I'm going to explain myself again because I'm wrongfully getting accused here of being a Marxist,that's just low right there. I believe everyone has the right to practice their religion of choice,the Zeitgeist producers are against religions yes they made that clear but the nwo is not against religion since their plan is a 1 world religion. I haven't accused you of being anything and you're throwing out there that I'm into Marxism to try to discredit me.

[Dig]

I don't really understand what you're saying and what you're trying to do here. I'm going to explain myself again because I'm wrongfully getting accused here of being a Marxist,that's just low right there. I believe everyone has the right to practice their religion of choice,the Zeitgeist producers are against religions yes they made that clear but the nwo is not against religion since their plan is a 1 world religion. I haven't accused you of being anything and you're throwing out there that I'm into Marxism to try to discredit me.

just to clear something up...

Vlady readily accepts that he is a marxist and defends himself quite well.  Also, NWO does propose that the best way to create a one world religion is by discrediting all popular religions (this is a very similar path that Zeitgeist takes). So the religion argument is gonna be hard to justify since freedom of religion is one of the founding principals of this country and the freedom of religion cannot be cited as a cause of suffering that I can see.  In addition, as Vlady pointed out, totalitarian regimes have mostly used futurism as a seductive technique to cull the masses.  there is no doubt that the seductive futurism in ZA is meant to do something similar. It also presents large scale projects that do not seem to give any freedom to any individuals (building stadiums, for what, future gladiator games, mass meditation?/Building interstate rail lines, for what quicker movement of masses to concentration camps?)  Who needs these projects? How do they help individual freedom? since the technology is already there, give it away, let everyone have it and then have an open market for inventions so that all can share in creativity and individual freedom.  That would have been a less NWO type message IMO.

[InfoTruth]

just to clear something up...

Vlady readily accepts that he is a marxist and defends himself quite well.

What does Vlady have to do with me? I don't care if he's a marxist.

Also, NWO does propose that the best way to create a one world religion is by discrediting all popular religions (this is a very similar path that Zeitgeist takes).

I've read an article that the UN said they want to unite all religions, isn't the UN part of the nwo?  Also aren't they supposed introduce a new 1 world religion, where does Zeitgeist talk about a new 1 world religion?

So the religion argument is gonna be hard to justify since freedom of religion is one of the founding principals of this country and the freedom of religion cannot be cited as a cause of suffering that I can see.

Once again I never said that you shouldn't have a freedom of religion i said anyone can practice whatever they want.

In addition, as Vlady pointed out, totalitarian regimes have mostly used futurism as a seductive technique to cull the masses.  there is no doubt that the seductive futurism in ZA is meant to do something similar.

Why don't we just wait until the producer of Zeitgeist explains himself on this issue before we start pointing out fingers?

It also presents large scale projects that do not seem to give any freedom to any individuals (building stadiums, for what, future gladiator games, mass meditation?/Building interstate rail lines, for what quicker movement of masses to concentration camps?)  Who needs these projects? How do they help individual freedom? since the technology is already there, give it away, let everyone have it and then have an open market for inventions so that all can share in creativity and individual freedom.  That would have been a less NWO type message IMO.

Like i said I don't fully agree with his solutions they are out there but that doesn't mean that we should discredit that whole documentary.

[Dig]

What does Vlady have to do with me? I don't care if he's a marxist.

just saying that you are not being discredited by being called a marxist, I do not think anyone can discredit vlad.

I've read an article that the UN said they want to unite all religions, isn't the UN part of the nwo?  Also aren't they supposed introduce a new 1 world religion, where does Zeitgeist talk about a new 1 world religion?

Have you seen this video yet?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6642758020554799808

The plan is to discredit all religions, they have been unsuccessful in combining them.  They always like to bust shit up to then have people align on something they create. Problem/reaction/solution.  Also check out all the information concerniong project bluebeam and iron mountain.  The plan is very similar to ZA and has been around a lot longer than ZA.

Once again I never said that you shouldn't have a freedom of religion i said anyone can practice whatever they want.

No one is knocking what you are saying, the plan by ZA is fairly obvious, he holds religion as one of the primary culprits of world suffering instead of holding centralized power as the main culprit.  The fact that centralized power is the cause seems incontrovertible, but I am open to discussion on this.

Why don't we just wait until the producer of Zeitgeist explains himself on this issue before we start pointing out fingers?

As JT points out, no one knows who he is.

Like i said I don't fully agree with his solutions they are out there but that doesn't mean that we should discredit that whole documentary.

I never discredited the whole thing and recommend that people see it for themselves.

[37]

I like the movie. 

I have found that people who get their environmental and political view from Discovery Channel and History Channel,
are more receptive to this movie than Freedom To Fascism. 
It is easily digested by the TV zombies...by design.
All I care about is getting people to see money for what it really is...debt. 

Personally, I think the Venus Project is the kind of "trap" that only a twit would fall into. 
I think anyone who ponders what they describe for just a few minutes, will inevitably realize that there are a lot of unanswered questions. 
It sounds like "hookah talk" to me. 
Pipe Dreams.

Alex makes it clear that their ideas are dangerously similar to the recognized propaganda of the NWO.

All info duly noted.

I'm still going to tell people to watch it because it makes them think about their conditioning.

I guess I'll just include a warning when I send the link from now on...  


Or, we could just try to burn it...

[JTCoyoté]

Your last post, Info Truth... My answers are in colored Italicized type.

Those who do the research, and those who have been doing research for decades, even before you could type in a question and get an answer from Google... will give search terms, as Alex does, and let you research it for yourself... But most folks are too intellectually lazy, and many of them have bought into this Bernaysian,  futuristic extravaganza... from the git go and see us as the enemy now...

I meant to say they shouldn't let a video or book decide how they're going to live their life. I was typing to fast to notice the mistakes.

Everything you read, and everything you watch, every person you talk to, every experience you have, helps you to decide how you are going to live your life... in the case of Zeitgeist Addendum... don't waste your time!

""He is fighting the federal reserve... just like Alex..."" okay, but the solution is all wrong...

Ok but you're not any closer to the truth than he is. Can't he have a different opinion and solution than you? If not can you provide a solution for us since you've been researching this for decades and clearly you never used google.

You presume because you don't know the answer that everyone else doesn't know it as well... When the Federal Reserve came into being, the economic fighting over who controlled the money ceased... a fight that had raged since the day the nation was founded, 140 years earlier... this was 1913.

Lincoln's Constitutional money experiment in 1862 worked so well, that it took the federal reserve until 1994 to finally convince enough members of Congress... (with Federal Reserve notes no doubt)... to finally recall the last remaining Greenback currency, a non-debt currency, and replace it with the Federal Reserve notes, a DEBT-based currency...

Instead of watching Zeitgeist Addendum... I suggest you order "THE MONEY MASTERS" from the Infowars Store... Make copies of it and send that out to your friends... Those of us who've been in the movement for a long time know exactly what to do... and no little upstart with a New World Order movie is going to change that! Bottom line... we know what to do!

And where do you lump it in then... if it serves the New World order, do you make it part of the main patriot network of useful videos, books and audios...? I don't think so... There is no Peter Joseph...

I'm not lumping Zeitgeist to any categories, it's just his opinion and isn't the nwo order pro 1 world religion? Where in Zeitgeist does he promote a different religion or a 1 world religion?

I never said you WERE lumping it... that was my question, my answer was that it serves the New World order... why would you lump it in with the patriot/truth/liberty movement when it serves the NWO... which is why we are arguing about it, if you hadn't noticed... Zeitgeist Addendum does promote a world religion, it is the world religion of non-religion... kind of liked matter/antimatter... if you can't have religion then you have non-religion, that will be enforced... bet your butt on that!

And the fact that there would be no state... no peoples governmental seat of power... therefore no representation of the people... is not a good thing... especially when you consider that the power of the computer control would be in the hands of the multinational corporations... you are seeing that takeover right now, with the multi-trillion dollar bailout of the international banks.

Don't you know the governments will continue to take advantage of the people? You really think a Ron Paul will ever be elected under this monetary system? That's naive right there. Governments through out history like Alex points always enslaves the people and even those founded on good intentions eventually will corrupt because of the human mindset. We have to change the way we think if want humanity to progress into a better world.

Governments by their nature are a necessary evil... there very existence is based upon the existence of the people since the people create them... You get close to it when you say Ron Paul will not be elected under this monetary system... The ones who are in control are not our government... it is the system that is controlled by the corporations... corporations which are controlled by the banks.... banks which are controlled by the 12 or so Richest families... families, that by wealth, control the world... The New World order.

I agree we must change the way we think, we should stop thinking that government is the problem and start seeing where the problem truly lies... it lies within the system we grow in... and the New World order has infiltrated and controls not only government, but every aspect, schools and churches, businesses, newspapers... radio and television stations in huge networks.  The instrument of control is the multinational corporations... Even though 75% of all business in America is small business... The ones that pull the strings are the money control... the banks... The fractional reserve, usury based, fiat, Federal Reserve Banks under the control of the international bankers under the control of the 12 or so controlling families... who don't want free thinkers with religious or Constitutional Ideas... They want good little collectivized worker bees that will do what the queen bee says... Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands being one of the biggies.

You stop this whole thing.... this whole march to feudalism... by decentralizing, by not buying into the credit/debt system, by getting out of debt, this whole system is predicated on, and FEEDS itself on your debt! BUT most importantly... you educate yourself, and there is nothing easy about that at all.

 Hope that helps...

JTCoyoté

"The real man smiles in trouble, gathers strength
from distress, and grows brave by reflection."
~Thomas Paine

[JTCoyoté]

NOT all money is debt, 37... only fractional reserve/Fiat/usury/Federal Reserve/World Bank/New World order, money...

As I explained in my previous post... Zeitgeist Addendum demonizes money... in the very first 2 minutes it calls money evil... Money is merely a medium of exchange, when it contains no debt,and is not the product of Usury... It is essential to facilitate, as a medium of exchange within the marketplace, and not turned into a commodity... money is necessary... Get a copy of The Money Masters, and show that to your friends... once you understand it...

The love of money, and all of the evils that come with fractional reserve banking and usury... that is the evil, when it becomes a commodity... above all other commodities... and is worshiped... then it is evil... Zeitgeist Addendum does not make this distinction... this movie is extremely dangerous especially in the minds of tube heads.

--Oldyoti

"When we are planning for posterity, we ought
to remember that virtue is not hereditary."
 ~Thomas Paine

[Eckhart Tolle]

Great Flick.

A+


"...relinquish, for a moment, your desire to explain and label..."

Eckhart Tolle

"If there were nothing but thought in you, you wouldn't even know you are thinking." "You would be like a dreamer who doesn't know he is dreaming." "When you know you are dreaming, you are awake within the dream."

Eckhart Tolle - A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life's Purpose

[Dig]

Great Flick.

A+


"...relinquish, for a moment, your desire to explain and label..."

Eckhart Tolle

"If there were nothing but thought in you, you wouldn't even know you are thinking." "You would be like a dreamer who doesn't know he is dreaming." "When you know you are dreaming, you are awake within the dream."

Eckhart Tolle - A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life's Purpose

everything comes from nothing...

if a tree falls in the forest...

all cool shit, but I really like...

Hey, these f**kers stole all of our money and are committing false flag terrorism to genocide us, how about we just arrest them rather than building magentic rail systems?

[37]

NOT all money is debt, 37... only fractional reserve/Fiat/usury/Federal Reserve/World Bank/New World order, money...

Yeah, I was referring to the money we all use...not the money everyone sits around dreaming about.

The money we have today isn't "merely a medium of exchange" it is a tool for control.

I see no difference between the people pushing a gold standard and the people pushing a technology based monetary system...neither one currently exists in the real world.

What you explained in your previous post was the justification for your opinion about the movie.  

I don't agree with it.  sorry.

I have bought a copy of Money Masters...it's very popular with the initiated.

And, I have given my friends Money Masters to watch...it's too long.  Period.  

But, after seeing Addendum, no one sent me a reply like, "Interesting Theories".  Which always tells me they watched 5 minutes.


I guess if Addendum is what the NWO is putting out, then we had better improve our operations.

Because Money Masters isn't half as watchable as either Zeitgeist movie.

[Eckhart Tolle]

Who was the comedian in this movie that is saying "If they figured out that we were all ONE" ?

[lord edward coke]

and we the people are the declared enemy of the u.s. gov. 
Trading With the Enemy Act
The information below is discussed in more detail and placed into context under menu item "Emergency Declared".  The below version is distilled to promote quicker and easier understanding.

In 1917, under President Woodrow Wilson, the U.S. Congress passed legislation titled Trading With the Enemy Act.  The objective was to stop any American from trading with our enemies and the allies of our enemies, during  World War I.

Sec. 2(c) of the act defined "enemy" as foreigners and countries who were at war with the United States.  It specifically excluded American citizens as enemies.  Sec. 5(b) specifically excluded transactions of the American people. 

Public Law No. 65-91
(40 Stat. L. 411)
October 6, 1917

CHAP. 106. - An Act To define, regulate, and punish
trading with the enemy, and for other purposes.

Sec. 2(c) - Such other individuals, or body or class of individuals, as may be natives, citizens, or subjects of any nation with which the United States is at war, other than citizens of the United States, wherever resident or wherever doing business, as the President, if he shall find the safety of the United States or the successful prosecution of the war shall so require, may, by proclamation, include within the term "enemy."

Sec. 5(b) - That the President may investigate, regulate or prohibit, under such rules as he may prescribe by means of foreign exchange, export or earmarkings of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency, transfers of credit in any form other than credits relating to transactions to be executed wholly within the United States..."

The war powers were terminated following World War I, in 1921.  However, The Trading With the Enemy Act of 1917 was granted an exemption.

The "Roaring Twenties," then arrived, a decade of greed and decadence.  This culminated with the notorious stock market crash of '29.  Franklin D. Roosevelt was placed in the White House.   Speaking of the economic crisis during his inaugural address, Roosevelt said, "...I shall ask the Congress for the one remaining instrument to meet the crisis - broad Executive power to wage war against the emergency, as great as the power that would be given me if we were in fact invaded by a foreign foe."

On March 6, 1933, President Roosevelt relied on Sec. 5(b) of the Trading With the Enemy Act as authority for his Proclamation 2039 which closed all banks for five days. This was clearly a time of financial crisis, not of war, and hence was not within the literal terms and purposes of the Act.  Importantly, the Act was amended so as to include every citizen and every transaction and any form of national emergency.

Trading With the Enemy Act Sec. 5(b)

"During time of war or any other period of national emergency declared by the President, the President may, through any agency that he may designate, or otherwise, investigate, regulate, or prohibit, under such rules and regulations as he may prescribe, by means of licenses or otherwise, any transactions in foreign exchange, transfers of credit between or payments by banking institutions as defined by the President, and export, hoarding, melting, or earmarkings of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency by any person within the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof; and the President may require any person engaged in any transaction referred to in this subdivision to furnish under oath, complete information relative thereto, including the production of any books of account, contracts, letters or other papers in connection therewith in the custody or control of such person, either before or after such transaction is completed "

On March 9, 1933, Roosevelt issued Proclamation 2040.   It referred to the national emergency and again asserted Sec. 5(b) as authority for it.  Roosevelt then proclaimed that the Proclamation of March 6, 1933, would remain in full force and effect until proclamation by the president.  It remains in force to this day.

Therefore, an effectively permanent law exists that allows the president, by declaring an emergency, to assume the role of dictator.  He may designate agencies of his choice to investigate, regulate, and license any transaction of any person (enemy) within the United States, by means of rules and regulations he may prescribe.

In the event the reader has lingering doubt concerning the nature and effect of the Trading With the Enemy Act, it is suggested that he read Senate Report 93-549.

From Senate Report 93-549:

A majority of the people of the United States have lived all their lives under emergency rule. For almost 40 years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought in force by states of national emergency.

The preeminent legal researcher on the subject of the War Powers is Dr. Eugene Schroder.  His treatise on the subject can be reached by clicking on "Emergency Declared," within this site's menu.   Video presentations are available here.

[Geolibertarian]

everything comes from nothing...

if a tree falls in the forest...

all cool shit, but I really like...

"I mean, what have you got to lose? You know, you come from nothing, you're going back to nothing. What have you lost? Nothing."

 

[JTCoyoté]

Yeah, I was referring to the money we all use...not the money everyone sits around dreaming about.

The money we have today isn't "merely a medium of exchange" it is a tool for control.

I see no difference between the people pushing a gold standard and the people pushing a technology based monetary system...neither one currently exists in the real world.

What you explained in your previous post was the justification for your opinion about the movie.  

I don't agree with it.  sorry.

I have bought a copy of Money Masters...it's very popular with the initiated.

And, I have given my friends Money Masters to watch...it's too long.  Period.  

But, after seeing Addendum, no one sent me a reply like, "Interesting Theories".  Which always tells me they watched 5 minutes.


I guess if Addendum is what the NWO is putting out, then we had better improve our operations.

Because Money Masters isn't half as watchable as either Zeitgeist movie.

37...

Yeah I knew what you meant... but I want to be perfectly clear on this thing... in my estimation, and I have been analyzing videos for a long time... this puppy is a well crafted polarizer... I went frame by frame for the first two minutes and this thing will grab the unwitting... and turn them into new world order brownshirts.

A bit of hyperbole but not much.

The thing is, if this movie really takes off, it could very easily cause irreparable damage to the movement... dealing with the money thing is a very minor problem, the major problem is the exotic use of high tech futuristic ideas and the subtleties of the collective solutions interwoven with these ideas... I don't care what anyone says... Vladimir seems to think there is nothing there... my technical background, and my ability to pick these things apart, well I know that there is a well hidden and well-crafted subliminal agenda interlacing this movie.

As to the money masters... you have to remember it was made in the early 90s, using video tape, it is analog... copied directly to a DVD format. It comes on two discs and is three hours and 35 minutes long. It packs more information into that three hours and 35 minutes than you could get in a two semester course on economics...

It interweaves monetary theory, with history, it illustrates, that which works and that which doesn't, how it works or why it doesn't... for the tube heads... have them think of it as watching an old-time movie that has a real deep hidden truth... then just sit back and listen 90% of the information this movie offers comes in the form of it's audio presentation... it is packed.

Time ghost addendum... doesn't deserve this much bandwidth in my opinion when there are truly informative videos out there... that point to real solutions, and not futuristic fantasies!

--Oldyoti

"When we are planning for posterity, we ought
to remember that virtue is not hereditary."
 ~Thomas Paine

[Eckhart Tolle]

Hey, these f**kers stole all of our money and are committing false flag terrorism to genocide us, how about we just arrest them rather than building magentic rail systems?

You're right.

We can do both, build the trains ,have court trials, then stand the guilty in front.  We'll call it the Tracks of Justice!

<<<<         ==<<TRAIN OF TRUTH<         ======>>>

==Tracks=of=Justice=========GUILTY!!!! NW ===========================================================================




But seriously, I like the energy opinions expressed in this movie.

Greed for profit is defiantly the reason for the worlds energy problems.

The Oil companies own the Electric car battery patents? wtf?

Geothermal, wind, water, solar their are so many clean and free ways to harness energy.

Why should oil companies or a few people profit so much from something that comes out of the earth?  That should be a free resource for all.

[JTCoyoté]

It is because the FED owns the printing press that prints the money out of thin air that they loan back to the government at 4%... the government signs off on it back to the Federal Reserve who then lends it to the first line, the federal reserve banks, and Wall Street money brokers. Money made out of air that is costing the American people 4% on the face value. The banks buy the money for a cut rate set by the federal reserve board "money changers" and then leverage its value by a factor of as much as 100... they loan it to their oil company and big business buddies for nickels on the dollar value... They then buy the patents, or the land leases of the unwitting inventors, or property owners at face value... it is a private fixed shell game and the American people fall for it every time...

We need to go back to a constitutional money system, just like Lincoln's greenbacks, the longest lived production/savings based non-debt money in the country's history.

JTCoyoté

"The government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency
and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government
and the buying power of consumers...By the adoption of these
principles, [a Constitutional monetary policy]... the taxpayers will
be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be the
master and become the servant of humanity."
~Abraham Lincoln

[piratestrangler]

This whole notion that technology is bad and we should try to prevent some of it is ridiculous. The plain and simple truth is that you cannot unlearn something. We can only move forward technologically and scientifically, we can only snowball our knowledge. So we have to make sure we have a idealized society that works with this concept. People also throw around the word technocracy a lot, as if it has anything to do with technology. A technocracy is where government is ruled by those most qualified to rule it. I don't see anything wrong with that. It could be a better solution than what we currently have. Most people are stupid and easy to manipulate, so we democratically create a rigorous set of tests that are based on our notions of what a good and honest leader is, and after a long and arduous process of testing, a person or group of people is appointed to lead for a term. If we don't like our leaders we democratically change the test. Also, you cannot have a cult in science because if you did it would not be science. People in the fields of science aren't fighting with eachother, they may have differing views on what is true but they all want the truth and are willing to let go of inferior and unreasonable ways of thinking if better ones come about. Albert Einstein didn't deck Werner Heisenberg when Quantum Mechanics was proven to be true, he just moved on. If you're holding onto something that has weak reasoning behind it then you are working against science.

[munkey]

The biggest problem with a science based system is the lack of ethics to keep it in check.

[Rock]

Without a government and a set of basic rights and rules, no society could exist.  Zeitgeist Addendum is a new religious belief in collectivism/technology that supersedes basic rights and rules.


All this fluff will be forced on people by force to get to Utopia. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.  NWO.

But it seems this new spiritual outlook has gained a new religious following.   Therefore, because of this new found faith, it will be difficult to persuade its believers that it is a NWO scam for the minds and hearts of good people.  Atheists are finally going religious on me.  Who whould have thought?



Rock

[37]

Who was the comedian in this movie that is saying "If they figured out that we were all ONE" ?

Bill Hicks
_____________________________________

I am never one to cover up the fact that I'm a bonehead.

This movie is really scary and dangerous and I say that with absolute sincerity.

Because I respect the opinions of this community, I decided that I should look a little closer at this film.

So, I entered this quote, into Google.  I chose it because I liked it, and couldn't tell what the name was underneath.

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

Here is what I found...

Jiddu Krishnamurti...from wikipedia.

Following his "discovery", Krishnamurti was taken under the wing of the leadership of the Theosophical Society in Adyar and their inner circle. Leadbeater and a small number of trusted associates undertook the task of educating, protecting, and generally preparing Krishnamurti as the "vehicle" of the expected World Teacher.[17] Krishnamurti (or Krishnaji as he was often called)[18] and his younger brother Nitya were privately tutored at the Theosophical compound in Madras, and later exposed to a comparatively opulent life among a segment of European high society, as they continued their education abroad. In spite of his history of problems with school work and concerns about his capacities and physical condition, the fourteen year old Krishnamurti was within six months able to speak and write competently in English.[19]

During all this time, Krishnamurti had developed a strong bond with Annie Besant, and came to view her as a surrogate mother. Apart from his early close relationship with his mother, this was the first of several important and intimate relationships that Krishnamurti established with women during his lifetime. His father, pushed into the background by the swirl of interest around Krishnamurti, sued the Theosophical Society in 1912 to protect his parental interests. After a protracted legal battle, Besant took custody of Krishnamurti and his brother Nitya.[20][21] As a result of this separation from his family and home, Krishnamurti and his brother became extremely close, and in the following years they often traveled together.

The Theosophical Leadership in 1911 established a new organization called the Order of the Star in the East, in order to prepare the world for the aforementioned "coming". Krishnamurti was named as its head, with senior Theosophists in various positions. Membership was open to anybody who accepted the doctrine of the coming of the World Teacher.[22][23] Controversy erupted soon after, both within the Theosophical Society and without, in Hindu circles and the Indian press.

Order of the Star in the East

The Order of the Star in the East (OSE) was an organization established by the leadership of the Theosophical Society at Adyar, India, from 1911 to 1927. Its mission was to prepare the world for the expected arrival of the World Teacher or Maitreya (see Jiddu Krishnamurti). The precursor of the OSE was the Order of the Rising Sun (1910-1911) and the successor was the Order of the Star (1927-29). The disbanding of the Order in 1929 led to a crisis in the Theosophical Society.

Having studied the Theosophical Society a little, I recognize it is the Global Luciferian Cult.  Maitreya is pushed by Benjamin Creme and Share International.  Which has many ties to the UN.  Bahai Faith is similar in it's teachings and also promotes a one world community.  Perhaps someone else has mentioned this already.  I didn't hear Alex talk about it. 

I am also reminded of a thread someone started a few weeks ago defending Bailey and Blavatsky as modern thinkers and not Luciferians.
The OP member hasn't been active since 9/11/08
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=58124.msg291311#msg291311

I am positive that whoever Peter Joseph is, he is either a theosophist or Bahai...and I wouldn't doubt that Share International helped fund this production.

Since burning it isn't a solution...I guess it is time someone made a high quality video about the Luciferians and their One World Agenda.  Their Utopia. 

BTW...this thread should be tied with this one.  Which provides excellent analysis of Bailey's vision of the future of money and Zeitgeist's.

Zeitgeist Addendum - Theosophy, Socialism, and The new NWO
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=64631.0



I stand corrected...

The devil and his minion are very cunning, indeed.

[JTCoyoté]

This whole notion that technology is bad and we should try to prevent some of it is ridiculous. The plain and simple truth is that you cannot unlearn something. We can only move forward technologically and scientifically, we can only snowball our knowledge. So we have to make sure we have a idealized society that works with this concept. People also throw around the word technocracy a lot, as if it has anything to do with technology. A technocracy is where government is ruled by those most qualified to rule it. I don't see anything wrong with that. It could be a better solution than what we currently have. Most people are stupid and easy to manipulate, so we democratically create a rigorous set of tests that are based on our notions of what a good and honest leader is, and after a long and arduous process of testing, a person or group of people is appointed to lead for a term. If we don't like our leaders we democratically change the test. Also, you cannot have a cult in science because if you did it would not be science. People in the fields of science aren't fighting with eachother, they may have differing views on what is true but they all want the truth and are willing to let go of inferior and unreasonable ways of thinking if better ones come about. Albert Einstein didn't deck Werner Heisenberg when Quantum Mechanics was proven to be true, he just moved on. If you're holding onto something that has weak reasoning behind it then you are working against science.

There is no such notion here, no one here is demonizing technology, nor are we saying that it is bad, quite the contrary... What is bad, and what is being addressed here, is the utilization of futuristic technology intertwined to push an anti individual-liberty, collectivist agenda, as this movie does... I hope that's clear.

JTCoyoté

"Ambition must be made to counteract ambition."
~James Madison

[xereau]

The biggest problem with a science based system is the lack of ethics to keep it in check.

The same could be said for any centralized system.

That is the key.  Decentralization.

Science is not scary.

Science is not deadly.

It is the person using science to make technology that is deadly and scary.

Whether you like it or not, humans are tool makers and tool users.  It is how we got this far, and it is how we will progress into the future.

The only thing that you should be concerned about is whether or not you have the choice to use future technology or not.

That is the ONLY thing that matters at this point.

It should be your choice to live in skins in a cave with a stick, if you really want to.

Forcing anything on anyone is the real moral issue of this entire discussion so far, and I have not seen it mentioned once in this thread.

[Firewerk66]

Bill Hicks
_____________________________________

I am never one to cover up the fact that I'm a bonehead.

This movie is really scary and dangerous and I say that with absolute sincerity.

Because I respect the opinions of this community, I decided that I should look a little closer at this film.

So, I entered this quote, into Google.  I chose it because I liked it, and couldn't tell what the name was underneath.

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

Here is what I found...

Jiddu Krishnamurti...from wikipedia.


Having studied the Theosophical Society a little, I recognize it is the Global Luciferian Cult.  Maitreya is pushed by Benjamin Creme and Share International.  Which has many ties to the UN.  Bahai Faith is similar in it's teachings and also promotes a one world community.  Perhaps someone else has mentioned this already.  I didn't hear Alex talk about it. 

I am also reminded of a thread someone started a few weeks ago defending Bailey and Blavatsky as modern thinkers and not Luciferians.
The OP member hasn't been active since 9/11/08
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=58124.msg291311#msg291311

I am positive that whoever Peter Joseph is, he is either a theosophist or Bahai...and I wouldn't doubt that Share International helped fund this production.

Since burning it isn't a solution...I guess it is time someone made a high quality video about the Luciferians and their One World Agenda.  Their Utopia. 

BTW...this thread should be tied with this one.  Which provides excellent analysis of Bailey's vision of the future of money and Zeitgeist's.

Zeitgeist Addendum - Theosophy, Socialism, and The new NWO
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=64631.0



I stand corrected...

The devil and his minion are very cunning, indeed.

You got the story half right. Krishnamurti broke from Besant and Co. in 1929:

"Krishnamurti had denounced all organized belief, the notion of gurus, and the whole teacher-follower relationship, vowing instead to work in setting man absolutely, totally free.......From that time, he began to disassociate himself from the Theosophical Society and its teachings and practices, despite being on cordial terms with some of its members and ex-members throughout his life."

Now, having read much of his later work, his "teachings" are based around love for your fellow amd and the braking down of barriers that keep men separate and in conflict:

"The core of Krishnamurti's teaching is contained in the statement he made in 1929 when he said: 'Truth is a pathless land'. Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, nor through any philosophical knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation, and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection. Man has built in himself images as a sense of security—religious, political, personal. These manifest as symbols, ideas, beliefs. The burden of these dominates man's thinking, relationships and his daily life. These are the causes of our problems for they divide man from man in every relationship."

I can see how "patriots" find him and his story threatening - he is openly against organized religion and all barriers that include national borders:

"According to Krishnamurti, many problems in the world such as poverty, war, the nuclear threat, and other unfortunate circumstances, have their roots in our thinking. In his view, as we live and behave according to our thinking so wars and governments are also a result of our thinking. We each have our own particular beliefs, conclusions, and experiences, to which we cling, thereby isolating ourselves from others. Self centered activity is expressed outwardly as nationalism and religious intolerance, creating a world divided, in which we are willing to kill for the sake of belief. Understanding our relationship with the world crisis is necessary to understand ourselves."