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I was informed in the Zeitgeist Forum, by high-level poster, that Hilter Germany was good and the model they are following.
It was explained to me that Hitler's idealogy simply wasn't allowed to reach it's fruition and completion. Therefore, what we see is it's failure and what is bad.
I immediately was not considering myself a Zeitgeist person.
Also, in the eutopian society quest, Zeitgeist fails to address the "interim." Just exactly what do people do when there are still bands of
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I was informed in the Zeitgeist Forum, by high-level poster, that Hilter Germany was good and the model they are following.
Yeah well as much as I disagree with Zeitgeist, what you've stated is like if I told you that Mao is a hero and we need to slaughter all the handicapped people for racial hygine to build the master race of Chinese (or whatever). Then you could say you read that from a high-level poster on Prisonplanet.com So, naturally I reject(What you wrote!) that on the basis of sillyness. |
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BF Skinner's Walden Two
Aldous Huxley's Brave New World
dome cities
sustainable communities / habitat areas
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I was informed in the Zeitgeist Forum, by high-level poster, that Hilter Germany was good and the model they are following.
It was explained to me that Hitler's idealogy simply wasn't allowed to reach it's fruition and completion. Therefore, what we see is it's failure and what is bad.
I immediately was not considering myself a Zeitgeist person.
Also, in the eutopian society quest, Zeitgeist fails to address the "interim." Just exactly what do people do when there are still bands of
Sure his plan was perfect... Exterminate 90% of the humans and enslave the other 10% to serve a handful of elite families. If only Hilter would have had the time necessary to complete his final solution we wouldn't have all these problems. Zeig Heil! |
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I guess that what the forum members say, in the long run, does not have to be in line with what the authors desire. As far as I know, Hitler's policies would not be applicable on the VP, because they are money based (it was still capitalism), and largely require war to accomplish, which the VP disdains. In fact, Hitler's program is much closer to what we have now, here then to the VP. I guess the poster either wanted to praise some particular policy, or was not so "high-level" after all.
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None of those are relevant comparisons, because none of them are The Venus Project.
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What Doc just gave you was not from any 'Christian' resource - it was from SHARE International. Maitreya's mouthpiece.
There is ample material in this thread on Theosophy being the basis for the New World Order Religion. Just read up on some of the U.N.'s own teachings. Have you listened to Bill Cooper's "Mystery Babylon" series at all? What Zeitgeist teaches is basically Cooper's information, but without the caveat that this is "What the elites believe". Cooper maintains over and over again (and provides proof) that the "Elites believe this"....Zeitgeist puts forth the same information....but as "TRUTH". Do you catch the difference?
Zeitgeist woke up many people to the fact that 9-11 was an inside job (TRUTH) but factored in what the NWO believes to be the truth as well (Theosophic spirituality). And then for Joseph to be quoted as moving away from the 'inside job' position...proves it was disinformation to lead people into yet another trap.
There is no new theology that can exist without our return to the truth of the teachings of Our Savior, the Greatest Teacher Ever, the Greatest Rabbi, the Only King Ever, the Son of Man, the Son of the G_dhead, Yeshua Jesus Christ! Organized religion is all a forged Satanic lie! There is only one "World Religion" it is the adoration of All Infinite Love Itself in Jesus Christ alone! (not worshipping idolatrous books about Him, or preachers who pretend or pretended to be Him, but just what and just as He alone told us to worship!). True Christianity will be reborn and that is the only scientifically, philosophically and religiously possible true "New World Religion", forget about the heretics Constantine, Saul of Tarsus, Mohammed, Levi, Mohammed et al! Jesus Christ Alone is and always was and always will be the world's only "Maitreya"!find Him in His words alone elsewhere and especially most accurately here: http://www.murple.net/thomas/thomas_coptic.htmlWe have found no truer word of Our Savior's blessed teachings of The All Itself than from Nag Hamadi - ignore all other obviously false hate teachings, and corporatist Roman Antiochian/Babylonian satan-worshipping, jesus-magician mysticisms and lies! The magic of Our Savior's life was the divine revelation of pure inalienable universal truth and pure intellectual morality to all of mankind forever, it was never about making cheap wine, or stretching a fish recipe! |
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Sure his plan was perfect...
Exterminate 90% of the humans and enslave the other 10% to serve a handful of elite families.
If only Hilter would have had the time necessary to complete his final solution we wouldn't have all these problems.
Zeig Heil!
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« Reply #3130 on: June 29, 2009, 04:14:58 AM » |
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None of those are relevant comparisons, because none of them are The Venus Project.
Now I'm convinced - it isn't just that you're dense and haven't looked it up, you do it deliberately! You feign ignorance. Come freakin' on! You know full well the Venus Project is a RIP OFF of those concepts. Or perhaps you really don't know and have never read those books I just mentioned or looked into those concepts. Let me tell you something buddy... you're falling hook line and sinker for the New World Order's plan. The guys who are running Zeitgeist - Peter Joseph and Jacques Fresco - well, let's just say they're going to doublecross you real good in the end, just like Lenin and Stalin doublecrossed their initial followers. It always happens in these socialist utopian movements. |
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« Reply #3131 on: June 29, 2009, 07:50:50 AM » |
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BrentonEccles: Wrap your little humanist/atheist head around this basic concept: the problem isn't just that religious people have problems with your movie, it's that the entire idea you're proposing - the sustained community concept - has been pulled entirely from the United Nations and is basically a facsimile of every behavioralist utopian/dystopian novel under the sun.
Once again:
BF Skinner's Walden Two
Aldous Huxley's Brave New World
dome cities
sustainable communities / habitat areas
You have to be pretty dense not to see the similarities. In fact, they're not so much similiarities - the Venus Project is exactly the same.
So drop this spiel that only bible-thumping Christians are not able to comprehend your agenda - first of all, I'm not a Christian and I have to say that this Venus Project did not require a genius to think up - what's his name (the bearded fellow) must have ripped off BF Skinner and Huxley's ideas with glee.
None of those are relevant comparisons, because none of them are The Venus Project.
Now I'm convinced - it isn't just that you're dense and haven't looked it up, you do it deliberately! You feign ignorance.
Come freakin' on! You know full well the Venus Project is a RIP OFF of those concepts. Or perhaps you really don't know and have never read those books I just mentioned or looked into those concepts.
Let me tell you something buddy... you're falling hook line and sinker for the New World Order's plan. The guys who are running Zeitgeist - Peter Joseph and Jacques Fresco - well, let's just say they're going to doublecross you real good in the end, just like Lenin and Stalin doublecrossed their initial followers. It always happens in these socialist utopian movements.
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Anyone seen Kymatica? What a steaming pile of EVIL horseshit.  It's got this airy gnostic/Gaia-inspired message, implying life in the universe is some sort of fractal and we're just a part of earth-consciousness, which is greater than us, and the universe has its own unitary, omniscient consciousness that directs life through The Force or something like it. It's a primer in mystic collectivism, neo-Platonism really (they quote Plato), and looks like a blueprint of the updated new age religion that's been shovelled at people for decades. They take astrology seriously, there's like two logical fallacies a minute, the narrative slides greasily from one idea to another regardless of whether there's anything more than mere surface similarity or not, and it's really painful to watch to be quite honest. And what's the solution to the world's ills? OF COURSE: Surrender your ego, melt into the cosmic consciousness. I was expecting ads for the SA or City Year to come up at any moment, this scam's been run on us before. Hail the movement! We are all one! The green movement, the race consciousness, these were pretty standard cultural movements in the Weimar republic as well. But anyone surrendering their own ego and the sovereignty of their reason is ripe to be drafted into the next mass collective delusion. Then you wake up and you're surrounded by the corpses of those who got in the way of your magnificent plan for the world and all is a shambles. We're not your weak minded slaves! We know the Hegelian dialectic is a scam! We know Plato's line of ideas have been the most destructive force in human history! We know ideas have POWER to change culture! We know there's an objective reality! Stop running your mass hypnosis psy-ops on us! Stop creating new religions and manipulating history into myth! We will not live in your cave, in the twilight world you construct with your media! Stop teaching individuals that they have to sacrifice themselves to go to heaven! Stop teaching us the winning team's alternative is the rapaciousness of a psychopath! We should all be furious this has gone on so long and that the same priesthoods of death keep telling us it is an embrace most fervently to be wished for! Freedom and power lie with the individual, the true face of humanity! The state and mass collective movements are a parasitic plague on our freedoms! I, for one, will never live in your hive, I'll never drink your collectivist koolaid. |
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I've only watched the first 35 mins of this on Google and didn't want to carry on for another 90 mins if this can be easily busted. I'm very confused right now. I just don't know what to make of this. I felt very uncomfortable watching it.
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« Reply #3135 on: July 05, 2009, 07:01:23 PM » |
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« Reply #3136 on: July 05, 2009, 07:07:03 PM » |
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It's essentially correct about christianity, except that it claims the ORIGINS are pagan. Which is incorrect; or rather correct based off the semantics. The KJV of the bible is translated from the greek translations even though there exists the original hebrew, which is much different and more easily understandable. However, it claims that the books of the bible were written, or rewritten at the council of nicea, which is incorrect. They were corrupted continuously over the years, especially by the catholic church. And of course, King james restored them back to the original greek in the 1400's still with his own agenda and not completely accurate, thus the huge apologetics movement in christianity. Christian fundamentalism is viewed as adherence to the kjv, when in reality a true fundamentalist goes to the original source, where there exists no religion other than The Way. Christianity IS a pagan religion, do not doubt this, look around. Alot of zeitgeists claims, however, are straw man fallacies to complete lies. Notice how they do not tie in the latter 2 parts with their initial claim that religion (christianity) is used for social control. And it is, but it seems they did not do their homework in respect to the historical accuracy of the Tanakh and how Judaism is intricately linked to christianity.
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Sry, Guess I should have done a little search before I posted. Looks like I'll have a bit of reading to do tonight. Thanks for the re-direct.
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Sry, Guess I should have done a little search before I posted. Looks like I'll have a bit of reading to do tonight. Thanks for the re-direct.
I suggest Bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon Series. Zeitgeist borrowed most of their stuff from him....but twisted it around as being the truth, when Cooper shows it to be what the ELITES believe to be the truth. Huge difference there. Here's a link. You'll probably want to take notes. This is from Evading Grid: I've got the set on my private server here : http://ukginger.net/mystery-babylon.html ENJOY! |
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Zeitgeist claims that "son" of God is a mistranslation, and that it's actually an elaborate metaphor describing the Sun in the sky.
This is complete rubbish, as the Bible makes numerous differentiations between Sun and son. Just read it. It clearly states the difference on multiple occasions, one of them saying that God's light is far greater than that of the Sun or moon.
And of course, it's laughable that Peter Joseph can't even name where he got his info from. Just a joke: the whole thing. Zeitgeist is a very twisted, incorrect attack on religion.
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Zeitgeist claims that "son" of God is a mistranslation, and that it's actually an elaborate metaphor describing the Sun in the sky.
This is complete rubbish, as the Bible makes numerous differentiations between Sun and son. Just read it. It clearly states the difference on multiple occasions, one of them saying that God's light is far greater than that of the Sun or moon.
And of course, it's laughable that Peter Joseph can't even name where he got his info from. Just a joke: the whole thing. Zeitgeist is a very twisted, incorrect attack on religion.
Hahaha,you must be from one of the religions then...lol. My grandfather taught me about this when i was a kid,and that was the first time id seen it addressed pretty much anywhere since. I thought it was a fantastic translation of the common sense thread that history forgets in favor of the gang gathering sermons of bullshit. And the only hate i see going towards Zeitgeist is from religeous nuts it challenges,just like anything that challenges religion,you people have such thinned skin,and talk shit when it comes to understanding/compassion and equality,as well as the power to think what the f**k people wanna believe in. Fair enough? So Zeitgeist sucks because of the "sun" aspect? I think it has done more for the movement than anything else in history,but if you wanna turn your back on it because of a sensible,logical explination of religion,your a wanker. |
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Of course the movie is not 100% fact. But i have suggestion for you,.... "Neither is the bible!"
There is NO DENYING that Christianity is Sun worship....This has been known for a long time. And they were not the 1st. I saw a show on it prolly 10 years ago. LONG before Zeitgeist. Do you really think that Peter made it up? Come on....
Even from Egypt we see the solar occult from the beginnings...Many different religions, from many different regions worshipped the sun. and rightly so.
Is the earth 6000 years old? Is it flat?
I will attest to the fact that i payed very close attention around Xmas and i watched the stars like he said, and it was not correct. The 3 kings, lined up with where the sun was around mid November, not Dec 22nd. Although im sure man made time has strayed very far away from nature's time. So its hard to say.....
The bible was written at least 350 years after the death of Jesus. It was written by the scribes, WHO WERE PAID for their writings....Not to mention the many translations from Greek to Latin to English to.....? And each translation done under a corrupted tyrannical leader......
IMO, religion is a form of control of the mind. To keep you from figuring out the real truth. THAT WE ARE ALL ONE. 1. Consciousness. 1. God. 1. Entity. WE ARE ONE.
To try and debunk Zeitgeist with the Bible is laughable. At least he can give you his sources.
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Come on guys n gals, the SON vs the SON is plainly spelled out in the babylon mystery religion, look it up man. It's DOCUMENTED!!.
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Zeitgeist claims that "son" of God is a mistranslation, and that it's actually an elaborate metaphor describing the Sun in the sky.
This is complete rubbish, as the Bible makes numerous differentiations between Sun and son. Just read it. It clearly states the difference on multiple occasions, one of them saying that God's light is far greater than that of the Sun or moon.
And of course, it's laughable that Peter Joseph can't even name where he got his info from. Just a joke: the whole thing. Zeitgeist is a very twisted, incorrect attack on religion.
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Hahaha,you must be from one of the religions then...lol.
My grandfather taught me about this when i was a kid,and that was the first time id seen it addressed pretty much anywhere since.
I thought it was a fantastic translation of the common sense thread that history forgets in favor of the gang gathering sermons of bullshit.
And the only hate i see going towards Zeitgeist is from religeous nuts it challenges,just like anything that challenges religion,you people have such thinned skin,and talk shit when it comes to understanding/compassion and equality,as well as the power to think what the f**k people wanna believe in.
Fair enough?
So Zeitgeist sucks because of the "sun" aspect?
I think it has done more for the movement than anything else in history,but if you wanna turn your back on it because of a sensible,logical explination of religion,your a wanker.
No...... I do not consider myself religious at all. It's just a fact FROM READING THE BIBLE that it clearly shows SUN and SON as being different things. All you need to do is READ. It's not difficult... I'm not even saying the Bible is Holy or anything else. I'm just READING it... I'm sorry that I don't make stuff up like Mr. Maxwell and Peter Joseph. Maybe I should make some more stuff up and then you'll be happy. |
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All that i understand is christianity is at the heart of the war we are all fighting,the war against freedom,when will you people let go of religeon and free your mind so you can truly see whats happening?
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more people are waking up because of it
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Of course the movie is not 100% fact. But i have suggestion for you,.... "Neither is the bible!"
There is NO DENYING that Christianity is Sun worship....This has been known for a long time. And they were not the 1st. I saw a show on it prolly 10 years ago. LONG before Zeitgeist. Do you really think that Peter made it up? Come on....
Even from Egypt we see the solar occult from the beginnings...Many different religions, from many different regions worshipped the sun. and rightly so. So are you suggesting the bible is incorrect or are you asserting that it is? Is the earth 6000 years old? Is it flat?
These are not inclusive examples. The age of the earth hasn't been empirically established, rather the geological principles, which propagate mainstream science's old earth claims, have been proven incompetent of principle status empirically. So no true scientist can point to geologic time scales as proof or even evidence of old earth age. The bible was written at least 350 years after the death of Jesus. It was written by the scribes, WHO WERE PAID for their writings....Not to mention the many translations from Greek to Latin to English to.....? And each translation done under a corrupted tyrannical leader......
Incorrect, it was clearly penned in the 1st century, the greek manuscripts date later, obviously, yet still within the first and second centuries. However, the greek texts were taken from early hebrew texts. IMO, religion is a form of control of the mind. To keep you from figuring out the real truth. THAT WE ARE ALL ONE. 1. Consciousness. 1. God. 1. Entity. WE ARE ONE.
To try and debunk Zeitgeist with the Bible is laughable. At least he can give you his sources.
Religion is an ambiguous term, which properly defined, says little. It was originally used as an adjective, later into a noun by those wishing to differentiate between naturalism and supernaturalism. The bible makes similar claims to the interconnectedness of humans. The essential problem with zeitgeist is that there are so many incorrect statements and assertions, to one studied in the bible, that it demands to be refuted. This is what happens when you don't investigate your topic adequately before making a documentary. It isn't funny as the film tries to poorly discredit christianity, without having a solid grasp of the historicity of it. It's an easy out for people in the patriot movement who don't like religion when it's so obvious that the naturalistic hypotheses fall flat. |
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They always include some truth when they want to lead people astray. More believable that way.
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All that i understand is christianity is at the heart of the war we are all fighting,the war against freedom,when will you people let go of religeon and free your mind so you can truly see whats happening?
In fact, it is just the opposite of that in that Mystery Babylon (the belief system of the New World Order) is diametrically opposed to Biblical Christianity because they believe that Christianity usurped THEIR religion. The Pharisees etc hated Jesus because they were convinced he did his miracles via occult power....and not divine power. Hence Simon Magus wanted to 'buy' some of that miraculous power. Jesus saw them for what they really were and called them out. You are correct in that 'religion' has been used as a tool throughout history, but religion is not the same thing as 'faith'. Religion is man's idea of 'reaching' GOD, or becoming GOD. Do this, don't do that, etc. Faith is a 'relationship', not just 'doing' certain things.  |
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« Reply #3155 on: July 15, 2009, 03:56:01 AM » |
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I believe he is a bit too harsh on religion and I admit that the idea of somehow abolishing religions was not one of those which I would like, but I really like them pointing out that the Bible was a book written with astrology in mind. This does not mean it is not a holy book, it only means that it was written with hidden meanings that are not for everyone to decipher.
You see, in the time of Christ, it was quite normal to see the world from the paradigm of elites vs. menials, the "learned, wise," etc., and the rest of us. The Christ, being a wandering rabbi, most likely tried to break up the paradigm of hereditary elites, but never denied the principle of elites vs. menials itself, see that line in Matthew. He cared for the menials as well, he gave them parables, and a way to follow to bring even them closer to God, and he was most likely for accepting menials who proved themselves to be wise enough as elites, but he would not go against the line itself.
To read the Bible just "as it is" is to deny oneself a road to wisdom.
As for the "collectivism attack," I don't think the Venus Project, what is collectivism? I know it is quite useless to present this argument here, but if we are one, as humanity, even one as "we are all brothers, there is really not enough difference between us to warrant mutual extermination," there will be a natural level of "collectivism" that will make sense if we accept this premise. Jesus wanted this, was he a commie? I think not.
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« Reply #3156 on: July 15, 2009, 05:23:46 AM » |
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I believe he is a bit too harsh on religion and I admit that the idea of somehow abolishing religions was not one of those which I would like, but I really like them pointing out that the Bible was a book written with astrology in mind. This does not mean it is not a holy book, it only means that it was written with hidden meanings that are not for everyone to decipher.
You see, in the time of Christ, it was quite normal to see the world from the paradigm of elites vs. menials, the "learned, wise," etc., and the rest of us. The Christ, being a wandering rabbi, most likely tried to break up the paradigm of hereditary elites, but never denied the principle of elites vs. menials itself, see that line in Matthew. He cared for the menials as well, he gave them parables, and a way to follow to bring even them closer to God, and he was most likely for accepting menials who proved themselves to be wise enough as elites, but he would not go against the line itself.
To read the Bible just "as it is" is to deny oneself a road to wisdom.
As for the "collectivism attack," I don't think the Venus Project, what is collectivism? I know it is quite useless to present this argument here, but if we are one, as humanity, even one as "we are all brothers, there is really not enough difference between us to warrant mutual extermination," there will be a natural level of "collectivism" that will make sense if we accept this premise. Jesus wanted this, was he a commie? I think not.
Collectivism is the very OPPOSITE of individualism, which is what the Bible (and Jesus) defend. And 'collectivism' is what the NWO is all about - the destruction of individual liberty for the 'sake' of the greater good. The idea that each human being has VALUE in and of himself..............vs each human being only has value in what they 'produce' or bring to the group. Collectivism is viewing entire portions of human population as 'menial' ....or of 'less value' than others. It is the basis for Nazism, communism, and the genocide of entire groups of 'individuals'. THAT is the heart of the struggle. GOD says that every single human life has VALUE and is therefore individually responsible for his actions. And that he judges each person's HEART. Even when Jesus called out the Pharisees as vipers, etc - there was still one of those who became a follower of his - Nicodemus. The Venus Project blames all of mankind's ills on the concept of MONEY, when in fact, it is the heart of man himself that is the problem. And yes, Jesus did deny the concept of elites vs 'menials'. I find the term 'menial' offensive in the extreme. Totally and completely an "ELITIST" term, in my opinion. If you are talking about him teaching in parables for those who were not his disciples, in my opinion that was the easiest way to explain to a large audience exactly WHAT he was trying to convey. I myself explain things this way to my child in many cases..ie, using 'examples' to illustrate my point. |
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« Reply #3157 on: July 15, 2009, 09:07:05 AM » |
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Collectivism is the very OPPOSITE of individualism, which is what the Bible (and Jesus) defend. And 'collectivism' is what the NWO is all about - the destruction of individual liberty for the 'sake' of the greater good. The idea that each human being has VALUE in and of himself..............vs each human being only has value in what they 'produce' or bring to the group. Collectivism is viewing entire portions of human population as 'menial' ....or of 'less value' than others. It is the basis for Nazism, communism, and the genocide of entire groups of 'individuals'.
THAT is the heart of the struggle. GOD says that every single human life has VALUE and is therefore individually responsible for his actions. And that he judges each person's HEART. Even when Jesus called out the Pharisees as vipers, etc - there was still one of those who became a follower of his - Nicodemus. The Venus Project blames all of mankind's ills on the concept of MONEY, when in fact, it is the heart of man himself that is the problem.
And yes, Jesus did deny the concept of elites vs 'menials'. I find the term 'menial' offensive in the extreme. Totally and completely an "ELITIST" term, in my opinion. If you are talking about him teaching in parables for those who were not his disciples, in my opinion that was the easiest way to explain to a large audience exactly WHAT he was trying to convey. I myself explain things this way to my child in many cases..ie, using 'examples' to illustrate my point.
great post. i dont necessarliy believe everything the bible says, i think i have faith, or a relationship with god, but i certainly like jesus, and have learnt alot from him, in understanding liberty etc. anyway, +1 again. |
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« Reply #3158 on: July 15, 2009, 10:01:04 PM » |
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great post. i dont necessarliy believe everything the bible says, i think i have faith, or a relationship with god, but i certainly like jesus, and have learnt alot from him, in understanding liberty etc.
anyway, +1 again.
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« Reply #3159 on: July 16, 2009, 09:40:30 AM » |
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But the VP does not deny the value of a human being. It devaluates money and the scarcity system as obsolete and advocates a more HUMANe economics based on sharing. If anything, it might be against private property and too much wealth in one hands, but was Jesus an advocate for amassing huge wealth? I don't think so. No one is trying to dehumanize anyone here, we're just pointing at the flaws of the Adam Smith style economic system.
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