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« Reply #3080 on: April 30, 2009, 07:39:00 PM »

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« Reply #3081 on: May 01, 2009, 06:00:22 AM »

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Only need to watch the first couple of minutes and it lays it all out.

We are all one.

the zeitgeist movement is the activist movement of the Venus project.

Science has all the answers.

stuff we all ready knew.  Tongue
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« Reply #3082 on: May 01, 2009, 07:13:44 AM »

Only need to watch the first couple of minutes and it lays it all out.

We are all one.

the zeitgeist movement is the activist movement of the Venus project.

Science has all the answers.

stuff we all ready knew.  Tongue
First sentence; we don't recognise nations, we are one.

Here's one title of a documentary series called 'The trap' - "F**k you buddy". Try that Joseph, Glenn Beck of the documentary scene.

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« Reply #3083 on: May 01, 2009, 07:35:53 AM »

the activism arm of the venus project says we will be forced to live within the means and resources of the earth, as determined on an arbitrary and constant basis i can only assume by either some super computer brain, or by a council or committee of scientists and intellectuals, but if you thought that was the clearest example of a technocracy you've ever seen, you'd be wrong!  and the reason you'd be wrong is because all this is done "for the betterment of mankind", its for you own good hahaha because the activism arm of the venus project wants you to understand that you are not capable of running your own life, no one is, your life has to be run by science.

apparently, we're going to abolish most of societies structures and institutions - if not all, then go to sleep and when we wake in the morning we will be living in a scientific utopia, poof, just like that. the activism arm of the venus project says that money is evil, trade is greed, and if we get rid of them, then greedy evil people will cease to be - presumably because they are not greedy or evil enough to think up a new way to be evil and greedy  Roll Eyes

the activism arm of the venus project wants us to put our faith in science, even if we dont understand it or if it doesnt make much sense, presumably authority would become truth.

in all seriousness, the venus project fails at every conceivable turn, it is shameful and disappointing that so many people arent able to see central planning for what it is, i can only assume this is because most people just simply dont read books, they look to figureheads for their knowledge.
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« Reply #3084 on: May 01, 2009, 07:56:32 AM »

the activism arm of the venus project says we will be forced to live within the means and resources of the earth, as determined on an arbitrary and constant basis i can only assume by either some super computer brain, or by a council or committee of scientists and intellectuals, but if you thought that was the clearest example of a technocracy you've ever seen, you'd be wrong!  and the reason you'd be wrong is because all this is done "for the betterment of mankind", its for you own good hahaha because the activism arm of the venus project wants you to understand that you are not capable of running your own life, no one is, your life has to be run by science.

apparently, we're going to abolish most of societies structures and institutions - if not all, then go to sleep and when we wake in the morning we will be living in a scientific utopia, poof, just like that. the activism arm of the venus project says that money is evil, trade is greed, and if we get rid of them, then greedy evil people will cease to be - presumably because they are not greedy or evil enough to think up a new way to be evil and greedy  Roll Eyes

the activism arm of the venus project wants us to put our faith in science, even if we dont understand it or if it doesnt make much sense, presumably authority would become truth.

in all seriousness, the venus project fails at every conceivable turn, it is shameful and disappointing that so many people arent able to see central planning for what it is, i can only assume this is because most people just simply dont read books, they look to figureheads for their knowledge.
*Calm technocratic voice* There's no need to attack it that way.

Remember it's a resourced-based economy, you'll be re-educated until you come to the realisation that this is the future with or without you. Otherwise you'll be an outcast and those that don't conform are lower class despite our elimination of class..for you see you are equal if you accept the Venus project philosophy of oneness.

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Sarcasm aside, The Venus Project; AKA Truth Trojan will mirror what the elite are doing right now; step by step gilded in smoke & mirrors to mask itself as the enemy of the New World Order.

People, I don't blame anyone entirely for letting the trojan horse in (Zeitgeist I)...you saw no new world order minions about, truth was left at your doorstep in the form of a DVD; The enemy knew your weakness albeit an innocent one we must hold on to (Open-mindedness).

However the Truth Trojan burst open in the dead of night and let Zeitgeist Addendum flood into your mind, burning what little resistance to a one-world government you had whilst maintaining a double-think like mentality that ZA WAS against a one-world government.

So...when you see the Truth Trojan at your mind's city gates... poke holes of truth threw the cracks and watch it bleed out.
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« Reply #3085 on: May 01, 2009, 08:10:40 AM »

yup, if it looks like communism, sounds like communism, and has every trait known to communsim, its a resource based economy!
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« Reply #3086 on: May 01, 2009, 11:43:59 AM »

I saw Zeitgeist and I did some research on the "facts" in the movie, and many of the points in the beginning about the sun and when Horus was born etc were incorrect.

It's an intriguing video never the less.
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« Reply #3087 on: May 01, 2009, 11:49:18 AM »

I saw Zeitgeist and I did some research on the "facts" in the movie, and many of the points in the beginning about the sun and when Horus was born etc were incorrect.

It's an intriguing video never the less.

It expresses the religous doctrine of the illuminati, other wise know as Mystery Babylon
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« Reply #3088 on: May 01, 2009, 02:46:24 PM »

It expresses the religous doctrine of the illuminati, other wise know as Mystery Babylon


Theosophy sounds better.
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« Reply #3089 on: May 01, 2009, 04:39:32 PM »

"Attack" - System of a down.

Breathing each other's lives
Holding this in mind
That if we fall, we all fall
And we fall alone

The cold insincerity of steel machines
Have consumed our euphoria
Transforming us into muted dreams
Dreaming of the day that

We attack
Attack, attack your fetal servitude
We attack
Attack, attack, attack with pesticide
We attack
All the years of propaganda
We shall attack!

Books illustrate what we already know
Candles cry towards the sky
Racing your flags along polluted coast
Dreaming of the day that

We attack
Attack, attack your fetal servitude
We attack
Attack, attack, attack with pesticide
We attack
All the years of propaganda
We shall attack!

Attack! (Attack!)

Breathing each other's lives
Holding this in mind
That if we fall, we all fall
And we fall alone

Breathing each other's lives
Holding this in mind
That if we fall, we all fall
And we fall alone

Was the philosophy of displaced mines
The bombing of all homes and villages?
Truth is the only sword bleeding minds
Bleeding till the day that

We attack
Attack, attack your fetal servitude
We attack
Attack, attack, attack with pesticide
We attack
All the years of propaganda
We shall attack!

Attack all the homes and villages
Attack all the schools and hospitals
You attack all the rapes and pillages
We shall attack!

We shall attack!

LMAO, I looooooove the avatar..... Cheesy
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« Reply #3090 on: May 01, 2009, 05:13:12 PM »

Theosophy sounds better.


Satanism is even shorter  Grin  Grin  Grin

trouble is people watched to many horror movies and miss understand
they dont have a clue that darwainsim is just another religous creation myth
then again most people the the masons are a charity
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« Reply #3091 on: May 02, 2009, 08:10:13 AM »

if there is no evil there is no good  you need balence or it dont mean nothing.

guns? they left out the part for self defence form aliens and animals on ofther planets lol or ofther violent  humanoids or that one nut ball in the bunch that gos ape shit with a light saber lol
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« Reply #3092 on: May 02, 2009, 08:34:28 AM »

simple boycotting dont work when many pepole will allways support  the system. you can not convert everyone this is why peaceful revoltions naver work you whould pertty much have to exile yourselfs form the rest of the world in your own lil country even then you whould have to worry about outsiders comeing in and trying to control you. for this to work you whould have to wake up atlest 60% of the world population at the same time for this to even work.  pepole are to much there own person and not willing to chnage there lifestyles or bleaves for something they bleave is lame or more lameist terms "gay"  or even blasphay  many support the system no if's ands or buts becouse they think its what keeps there way of life going and will fight for it. its like the  moive matrix your either one of us  or your one of them.
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« Reply #3093 on: May 02, 2009, 08:40:33 AM »

I definitely agree that the venus project is the planned genocidal/enslavement future that Rockefeller/Rothschild are pushing for.  I also agree that these dictators and feudalists have perversed the free market capitalist system to such a point that some pathetically ignorant people falsely claim that "the capitalist" is the one to blame.  But with a revolution of intelligence to see through the NWO lies I also agree with you that the genocidal Venus project will never come to fruition.

Good post, I think you hit all the major points. cool.

The so-called 'Venus" Project is proof that the Zeitgeist producers simply wanted to destroy religion and specifically "Judeo-Christianity/Islamism" (even as sadly perverted and corrupted by noble-patriarchal tyrannical hatreds and lies as most anti-Jesus versions of those gnostic-fascist corporate cults are) in order to replace them with yet another noble monarchist desolationist form of gnostic fascism that dare not say the sacred word "Love" nor speak of G_d as the Unity of All Loveliness Itself and All Belovedness Itself who's Spirit is the 5th Dimension of gravitation of Oneness with All Things!

Their "lust for power" is showing clearly now, and their vaunted nod to "The Power of Love" is exposed as a sham by their rejection of truth with regards to the Daniel Chapter 8 Show investigations.

Loving forgiveness (inasmuch as such earthly judicial largesse is unlikely to prevail in the mass-murder trials of the engineers of the hideous 9/11 tragedy) cannot take place without justice and truth. If Moses and Levi are to be 'righteously' condemned for making deliberate, malicious falsifications by the producers of Zeitgeist, then so must Bush Securacom and the MI6/CIA/Pentagon Mafia et al.
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« Reply #3094 on: May 02, 2009, 09:09:22 AM »

they are not saying ani reglion there are saying what  "humans" have done to justafie the means   of the unexplained years ago  this means Reglion is ignorent outlook on life for today
becouse its outdated thats not anti-reglion thats pointing out facts. its out dated system of bleaves that does more harm then good becouse of the pepole runining it.also why does there need to be so many branch of christinaty when its all the same book? lol becouse your all 2nd guessing the what the bible is saying and makeing a chruch saying this is how it is,don't lissin to them.   atlest the older reglions like wicca and pegen onley are one reglion and not makeing headlines for touching lil boys.
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« Reply #3095 on: May 02, 2009, 09:17:21 AM »

I fail to see how 'Love one another' will ever be outdated.

Jesus said words to that effect...that's all you need even if your not Christian or believe in God.
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« Reply #3096 on: May 02, 2009, 09:36:36 AM »

oh didint say it was its how you get things form ofthers without takeing it  without asking
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« Reply #3097 on: May 02, 2009, 01:13:44 PM »

they are not saying ani reglion there are saying what  "humans" have done to justafie the means   of the unexplained years ago  this means Reglion is ignorent outlook on life for today
becouse its outdated thats not anti-reglion thats pointing out facts. its out dated system of bleaves that does more harm then good becouse of the pepole runining it.also why does there need to be so many branch of christinaty when its all the same book? lol becouse your all 2nd guessing the what the bible is saying and makeing a chruch saying this is how it is,don't lissin to them.   atlest the older reglions like wicca and pegen onley are one reglion and not makeing headlines for touching lil boys.

I'm not a very religious person ... but I have to say that I do not think AT ALL that religion is 'outdated' ... "now that we have SCIENCE and electronics all the secrets have been explained", yada-yada-yada.

From my point of view it is exactly the OPPOSITE ... the more I learn about physics, about how the universe works, its 'size' and complexity, the MORE the awesome, unexplainable mystery of life/existence seems ... well, DIVINE.
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« Reply #3098 on: May 05, 2009, 04:47:36 PM »

genius lol if your religious your going to think it is not outdated  lol
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« Reply #3099 on: May 05, 2009, 08:00:14 PM »

genius lol if your religious your going to think it is not outdated  lol

thats not what he said  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #3100 on: May 05, 2009, 09:34:52 PM »

i miss read that sorry.
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« Reply #3101 on: May 16, 2009, 10:52:50 PM »

I've decided to take a skeptical, though slightly supportive for now, view of this movement.
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« Reply #3102 on: May 16, 2009, 10:56:39 PM »

I've decided to take a skeptical, though slightly supportive for now, view of this movement.


We missed you Brenton.   Wink Cheesy  Thanks for the thread bump!  Kiss
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« Reply #3103 on: May 17, 2009, 07:06:43 AM »

I've decided to take a skeptical, though slightly supportive for now, view of this movement.


Have you finally figured out your whole doctrine was bunk? Well, to paraphrase Gordon Ramsey: "Thank f**k for that".
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« Reply #3104 on: May 17, 2009, 07:20:39 AM »

well... when i saw zeitgeist.. i was alll for it until it got to the religion part... that was blasphamy and i rejected the whole movie for my faith and i knew in my soul it was a big deception.. i knew it would be a matter of time before it all came out...i just hope as many people who watched it, they also find out the truth behind it...that's how satan work...always mix lies with the truth..most of the things in that movie was true... but the objective of that movie was to turn people away from Jesus...and as Jesus promised he will reveal all.. Cheesy Grin
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« Reply #3105 on: May 17, 2009, 03:08:17 PM »

What the New World Order wants is systems of control for control. It is the systems that enable them to manipulate individuals and gain control of their lives.

A system can be founded on any number of brilliant ideas or good intentions -- but ultimately the structure of any system lends itself to be converted into an engine for the New World Order's goals. It is imperitive that we do not create a hypersocialistic state, or a police state, or a new economic powerhouse state -- not matter what good or benefit can come of it. The reason being is very simple -- the New World Order will find, as they always do through threat of violence, economics, espionage, etc etc, to "take it over."

Once the system is in place and the rules have been set -- the proverbial "ripe from the slaughter" is just around the corner.

The non-existance of systems of economics, politics, military, and so on leaves the New World Order powerless. Their actual power comes from system manipulation -- or in the case of a police state merely convincing the populus that it is a worthy cause with pros that outweigh cons.

No system -- no achitecture that can be used for control.

Fill in the blanks in my gaps in logic/reason -- I just got up from sleeping.

PS. It's a very basic [intentionally] concept I'm putting forth. For sake of you not looking stupid [to me], don't go on a rant about how certain systems are necessary and so on. I know that many are very beneficial and helpful to many, many groups [such as the elderly], I'm merely putting forth the concept stated above.

[How it relates to Zeitgeist]

Hopefully people have been following the thread but...

If you make a hypersocialistic state where all economic exchanges are digitized and or computerized esoteric transactions... fill in the blank, you have a brain!

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« Reply #3106 on: June 27, 2009, 05:31:14 AM »

Have you finally figured out your whole doctrine was bunk? Well, to paraphrase Gordon Ramsey: "Thank f**k for that".
I hate to bump this thread again, but no, absolutely not. I've only been fed bunk "evidence" that is all too often Christian propaganda, such as the absolute nonsense that attempts to convince viewers that Zeitgeist has strong relations to the Theosophical society in that they're one and the same.


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« Reply #3107 on: June 27, 2009, 05:34:23 AM »

I hate to bump this thread again, but no, absolutely not. I've only been fed bunk "evidence" that is all too often Christian propaganda, such as the absolute nonsense that attempts to convince viewers that Zeitgeist has strong relations to the Theosophical society in that they're one and the same.


Anyway, I'm not responding to any replies to me.



theres a strong connection.
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« Reply #3108 on: June 27, 2009, 06:37:44 AM »

Krishnamurti who renounced all ties to organised religion (including Theosophy) and other institutions in avocation of totally unhindered agency?
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« Reply #3109 on: June 27, 2009, 06:39:24 AM »

Krishnamurti who renounced all ties to organised religion (including Theosophy) and other institutions in avocation of totally unhindered agency?

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« Reply #3110 on: June 27, 2009, 06:41:27 AM »

Krishnamurti who renounced all ties to organised religion (including Theosophy) and other institutions in avocation of totally unhindered agency?

uhm no he didnt. You want some quotes that affirm that?  Grin Also thought you werent responding.

Krishnamurti was the hand picked Maitreya fully indwelled in the 1920's. Deal with it.  Cheesy
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« Reply #3111 on: June 27, 2009, 06:46:13 AM »

uhm no he didnt. You want some quotes that affirm that?  Grin Also thought you werent responding.

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Yeah, he was and then he renounced the Theosophical Society -- and that can be proven.

I know I wasn't responding but didn't think you'd come out with such nonsensical crap.
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« Reply #3112 on: June 27, 2009, 06:54:08 AM »

Yeah, he was and then he renounced the Theosophical Society -- and that can be proven.

I know I wasn't responding but didn't think you'd come out with such nonsensical crap.

and i can show where he didnt.  Grin he was still giving lectures on all the stuff and powers you can get through theosophy.  Tongue

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Hate to burst your bubble and all but Jiddu, never renounced being the WT.

His connections with his mentors and friends were obviously strained when he broke from Theosophy. He corresponded extensively with Emily Lutyens, something of a surrogate mother for him in the TS, and tried to downplay the break with the TS and not get sucked into conflict with his former followers. She accuses him of denying being the WT, and he responds, "You know, Mum, I have never denied it."

He was despaired after the Matraya spirit fled from him before getting off the boat in New York. I can give ya all kinds of quotes about him still talking about it. He was still preaching all the Thoesophical mind powers in 1973.
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« Reply #3113 on: June 27, 2009, 07:04:48 AM »

and i can show where he didnt.  Grin he was still giving lectures on all the stuff and powers you can get through theosophy.  Tongue

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Hate to burst your bubble and all but Jiddu, never renounced being the WT.

His connections with his mentors and friends were obviously strained when he broke from Theosophy. He corresponded extensively with Emily Lutyens, something of a surrogate mother for him in the TS, and tried to downplay the break with the TS and not get sucked into conflict with his former followers. She accuses him of denying being the WT, and he responds, "You know, Mum, I have never denied it."

He was despaired after the Matraya spirit fled from him before getting off the boat in New York. I can give ya all kinds of quotes about him still talking about it. He was still preaching all the Thoesophical mind powers in 1973.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=64228.msg340402#msg340402
That's really not an example at all. The fact is that he broke with the TS. It's like me, who used to be a Catholic and has Catholic friends, I maintain friendship with them.
Ofcourse he would want to maintain friendship with those people because they're the only people he knew. And by the way I knew you'd probably bring this up exactly as you had because it's almost verbatim what others say when they're told "he broke with the TS."

He once said:
"As I said before, my purpose is to make men unconditionally free, for I maintain that the only spirituality is the incorruptibility of the self which is eternal, is the harmony between reason and love."
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That's really not an example at all. The fact is that he broke with the TS. It's like me, who used to be a Catholic and has Catholic friends, I maintain friendship with them.
Ofcourse he would want to maintain friendship with those people because they're the only people he knew. And by the way I knew you'd probably bring this up exactly as you had because it's almost verbatim what others say when they're told "he broke with the TS."

He once said:
"As I said before, my purpose is to make men unconditionally free, for I maintain that the only spirituality is the incorruptibility of the self which is eternal, is the harmony between reason and love."

She accuses him of denying being the WT, and he responds, "You know, Mum, I have never denied it."
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« Reply #3115 on: June 27, 2009, 08:23:03 AM »

The teachings of Maitreya
and Krishnamurti --  a comparison
by Bette Stockbauer

An esoteric comparison of ideas and teachings on silence, inner space, self-awareness, honesty, sincerity and detachment.


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Jiddu Krishnamurti (1895 -1986) was one of the most influential spiritual teachers of the 20th century. Through his books, his schools, and speaking engagements to audiences throughout the world, he shared his unique vision of inner liberation. According to Benjamin Creme, he was born a third-degree initiate, who, in his younger years, was being prepared, by overshadowing, as a possible vehicle for Maitreya. When Maitreya decided to manifest through His own self-created body, Krishnamurti began his teaching work. Again according to Creme, at the age of 49, Krishnamurti took the fourth initiation.

Maitreya, through one of His associates, said of K: "He was a true disciple of Maitreya. The teachings of Krishnamurti are the teachings of Maitreya." (Share International, 9/88,10)*

Many have commented on the unique nature of the teachings of both Maitreya and Krishnamurti. Both teachings are subtle and elusive, yet express a simplicity that cuts straight to the heart of the present problems of humanity. They urge the student to seek within for those answers that are only found in the depths of each person's soul.

Though the teachings can be approached in many ways, a striking feature is the groundwork they lay for the changes we are witnessing as we move from the Age of Pisces into Aquarius. We are today witnessing the relative weakening of the 6th-ray Piscean energies of idealism and devotion. This is reflected in the words of Maitreya: "If you want peaceful coexistence on planet Earth, do not bring in ideologies." (SI-11/88,6) Both teachers have said repeatedly: "Do not follow me."

Concurrently we can see a strong emphasis in their thought on the Aquarian energies of the 7th ray of Ceremonial Order. The 7th ray deals with the building forces of nature and the finding of practical solutions to human problems. Maitreya repeatedly urges attention to those most basic needs that humanity consistently ignores -- adequate food, housing, health care, and education. K found philosophical musings about an ideal world a pointless exercise, saying: "... all that becomes rather meaningless if you don't know how to live." (WSM)

A common thread for Maitreya is His triple teaching of honesty of mind, sincerity of spirit, and detachment. Similar ideas with different names comprise K's essential thought. When the teachings are studied side by side, they illuminate one another. The following thoughts seek to draw parallels between the two. Unless otherwise noted, Maitreya's thought is first discussed, followed by K's. Maitreya's teachings are placed in italics for ease of comparison.

Silence

All action begins at the center -- in silence, the sacred space where true discovery resides.

Maitreya: "Individuals are going to experience, for the first time, that Divinity is not 'outside' but situated simultaneously in the heart and in the universe, in all of creation.... the true Lord is in the heart. If you want to know Him try to understand the Voice of Silence.... Silence is that space which is free from conditioning ... The day the Self within is free of the stresses and strains inherent in the processes of being and becoming, yet fulfils its duty in a detached manner, the Kingdom of the Lord is experienced by the Self in the heart." (SI-11/88,10)

K's writings were filled with references to silence -- of the trees, the deep rivers and ancient mountains, of the soul lost in meditation: "Silence grew and became intense, wider and deeper. The brain which had listened to the silence -- of the hills, fields, and groves -- was itself, now, silent.... It was still, deep within itself; like a bird that folds its wings, it had folded up on itself. It had entered into depths which were beyond itself. It was a dimension which the brain could not capture or understand." (WSM)

'Inner space'/'empty mind'

When Maitreya speaks of 'inner space' and K of empty mind, they are outlining a new paradigm for human life -- one that reaches beyond thought, space and time to touch the universal -- the center of intelligence, compassion, and love.

M: "Everyone needs 'inner space' where there is no one directing you, telling you where to go and what to do. You have been given that space so that the confusion and chaos around you will dissolve. You must never surrender that space to anyone, except your true self. Meditation is really a journey back to that space to find peace and happiness." (SI-6/89,9)

A pervasive theme in K's teachings is his focus on the misuse of thought. As a fourth-degree initiate, presumably beyond illusion on the mental plane, he could, in a very unique way, focus a full and brilliant light on the machinations and contrivances of normal thought. Humankind, he claims, is always tied to time and thought. Fears and memories from the past are a constant inhibition to free action in the present, while projections into an imaginary future prevent us from truly experiencing the realities of today. All of these movements away from the 'now' immerse us in constant misery. Freedom can only be found when the personal self vanishes.

K: "The roots of heaven are of great emptiness, for in emptiness there is energy, incalculable, vast and profound." (KH,22)

Self awareness/choiceless awareness

M: "Awareness is the mother of creation ... Awareness can never be divided, nor imposed ... Awareness can only be experienced." (SI-6/89,6)

"Awareness alone is more powerful than nuclear bombs, more powerful than anything else in the universe. Awareness is even 'beyond light'." (SI-12/88,6)

"The Self is endless. Awareness is endless. Mind, spirit and body have a beginning and an end...The destiny of one and all is to be, one day, free of mind, spirit and body. This in itself becomes salvation." (SI-9/89,8)

"The only way to deal with any problem in life is to understand how it came into being. The moment you know its process, you can reverse it." (SI-9/88,5)

As a child K spent hours perfectly still, watching the tiny insects, the leaves, or the motion of the wind on the land. As an adult, his writings were filled with images of the natural beauty of the places he knew. Woven through all of his thought was the stillness of his own being as he looked upon the world. To see life without reaction or judgement, with no choice or any projection, this he called Choiceless Awareness. In this very action, he said, begins the birth of a new state of being.

K: "When one is attentive (in this way) ... then out of that comes insight.... Insight is like a flash of light. You see, with absolute clarity, all the complications, the consequences, the intricacies. Then this very insight is action." (KH,73)

Honesty of mind/freedom from conditioning

Benjamin Creme explains that by "honesty of mind" Maitreya means much more than not lying or stealing. Creme states: "He means a mind which is not conditioned by ideology and 'isms' -- a mind that is honest to itself, free and open to the experience of life, moment to moment, expressing itself perfectly, purely, spontaneously, without conditioning.... Only a non-conditioned mind can know what freedom is." (MMII,259)

M: "Be what you are. Do not surrender your self respect, your dignity, to others. The moment you surrender yourself to some other self you become a zombie. Do not allow any shadow, even, to possess you. Your destiny is to be free." (SI-10/88,4)

"You must become free from any ism -- for that is the deadliest drug. It is like a sponge -- it absorbs illusions like water and engulfs the Self." (SI-1/90,6)

Although he was revered by millions, K renounced the position of guru. His only concern was to "set men absolutely unconditionally free," to help mankind throw open its self-created cages. The real revolution begins when the individual is able to live beyond the narrow strictures of race, religion, and nationality created by the larger society. At that moment he can taste the supreme happiness of truth.

K: "... it is up to you. There is no leader, there is no teacher, there is nobody to tell you what to do. You are alone in this mad brutal world." (NE,39)

Sincerity of spirit/perception of 'what is'

Benjamin Creme describes Maitreya's use of the term "sincerity of spirit" as "... seeing reality without distortion.... (It) is freedom from the glamours of the emotional plane, so that you see life as it is.... When you are speaking from the heart, totally sincere, consonant with who you are and what you are, without pretensions or glamours ... but direct and pure and true to yourself -- that is sincerity of spirit." (MM II,260)

M: "If you follow others instead of being yourself, you lose your sparkle; you cannot reflect the light of individuality." (SI-12/88,9)

Through many ages, K said, the world has been building ideals of perfection -- ideals of non-violence to mask its violence, ideals of love to mask its hatred, ideals of the perfect state, the perfect community to mask the prevailing chaos. These ideals are an excuse, and only offer escape from the real. It is only in perceiving the actual, the concrete, and only in accepting "what is", that insight comes.

K: "Apparently it is tremendously difficult not to have ideals ... (but) ideal concepts have no value at all because they move away from 'what is'.... What we have been saying for years (is that) the actual is more important than the ideal.... Facts in themselves bring about a change." (KB,446)

Detachment/ability to die to each moment

Much of Maitreya's thought on detachment deals with personification -- or attachment to spiritual powers. Perhaps in these teachings He is preparing the world properly to utilize the increasing potencies of energy that surround us.

M: "There are times when you become aware that someone is behind you, within you, over you, around you -- something is present. That 'something' is the Almighty. It does not participate; it observes....Then, as your awareness grows, if you practise the discipline of detachment, you will know Me in My totality. The moment you think of Me, I am with you." (SI-9/89,8)

"Detachment is the most powerful 'drug'. It becomes so effective that it immunizes the Self from the processes and proceedings of mind, spirit and body.... To learn detachment is an art. A scientist, with detachment, will learn the laws of physics and chemistry.... The artist, with detachment, will be able to describe God through his own experiences." (SI-9/89,8)

Biographers of K have expressed their difficulties in research because of K's almost total loss of memory of his younger years. His orientation was always to the present, never to memories of a dead past. To run from the memory of a bad experience or desperately to hope for a good one can only sow the seeds of conflict. His own meditations were filled with the wonder of a small child. The energy that came he never tried to capture, give name to, or repeat.

K: "One must die each day to all one's memories, experiences, knowledge and hopes.... Not to gather, but to die each day, each minute, is timeless being.... These are not just words, but the statement of an actuality." (CLII,159)

Being and becoming

Even as a young teacher K would impress on his listeners the imperative for radical change. Perhaps it was the urgency he felt, that the world was at a point of crisis, which made him totally reject the idea of becoming, or gradual evolution. He considered it just another illusion of thought -- a stalling mechanism to hinder acceptance of the present reality. In discussions with physicist David Bohm, he explored the idea of complete mutation of the brain cells, a movement that would happen instantaneously, finding direct contact with Universal Mind. By completely rejecting the validity of the evolution of consciousness through time, he allowed his listener absolutely no escape from the present.

Maitreya is more patient. He says: "... isms, ideologies and beliefs are essential stages in the life of every human being .... evolution can only take place through them." He cautions that "we should not tell people to abandon their beliefs and philosophies because they are important for survival in our present world.... They 'get us up in the morning and send us to work in order that we may pay the bills and care for our family.... "(SI-3/90,5) Nevertheless, on the path of evolution, "... the moment a person gives up his brand of ism he will be free. He will find that I am within him for I am free of all ideologies." (SI-1-2/90,5)

The ideas included here are but a small portion of what both Maitreya and Krishnamurti have shared. The interested reader who further explores these realms will find many such parallels and may, in addition, experience the wonder and blessing that association with such thought can bestow.

*Quotations are drawn from the following sources:

(SI-4/90,5) -- Share International -- month/year, page; MM II -- Maitreya's Mission II, Benjamin Creme;

CL II -- Commentaries on Living II, Krishnamurti; KH -- Krishnamurti to Himself, Krishnamurti; KB -- Krishnamurti, a Biography, by Pupul Jayakar; WSM -- Mystic Fire Video/With a Silent Mind; NE -- On Nature and the Environment, Krishnamurti.

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« Reply #3116 on: June 27, 2009, 09:01:08 AM »

Brenton,

What Doc just gave you was not from any 'Christian' resource - it was from SHARE International.  Maitreya's mouthpiece.

There is ample material in this thread on Theosophy being the basis for the New World Order Religion.  Just read up on some of the U.N.'s own teachings.  Have you listened to Bill Cooper's "Mystery Babylon" series at all?  What Zeitgeist teaches is basically Cooper's information, but without the caveat that this is "What the elites believe".  Cooper maintains over and over again (and provides proof) that the "Elites believe this"....Zeitgeist puts forth the same information....but as "TRUTH". Do you catch the difference?

Zeitgeist woke up many people to the fact that 9-11 was an inside job (TRUTH) but factored in what the NWO believes to be the truth as well (Theosophic spirituality).  And then for Joseph to be quoted as moving away from the 'inside job' position...proves it was disinformation to lead people into yet another trap.
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« Reply #3117 on: June 27, 2009, 10:44:55 AM »

BrentonEccles: Wrap your little humanist/atheist head around this basic concept: the problem isn't just that religious people have problems with your movie, it's that the entire idea you're proposing - the sustained community concept - has been pulled entirely from the United Nations and is basically a facsimile of every behavioralist utopian/dystopian novel under the sun.

Once again:
BF Skinner's Walden Two
Aldous Huxley's Brave New World
dome cities
sustainable communities / habitat areas

You have to be pretty dense not to see the similarities. In fact, they're not so much similiarities - the Venus Project is exactly the same.

So drop this spiel that only bible-thumping Christians are not able to comprehend your agenda - first of all, I'm not a Christian and I have to say that this Venus Project did not require a genius to think up - what's his name (the bearded fellow) must have ripped off BF Skinner and Huxley's ideas with glee.
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« Reply #3118 on: June 27, 2009, 11:07:02 AM »

The difference between the NWO and the Venus Project is that the latter is not a lie that covers for the opposite of what is said to the population, whereas the former is.

I understand the difficulty of making such an utopia a reality, but it is worth the try; if there ever is a movement that would try to establish a Venus Project like country somewhere, I am moving there ASAP.

The problems of the world like overpopulation are real; the water pollution is real; the soil salinization is real. The question is what to do with these things? The two possible routes as far as this forum is concerned are either to go as we had in the past, which is unsustainable, as in, really unsustainable, not "global warming unsustainable," or to go NWO, with neo-feudal tyranny keeping the depopulated planet in line.

I am for a third possibility. Go Venus project go!
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« Reply #3119 on: June 27, 2009, 11:19:08 AM »

To adress the worries of squarepusher and anyone who's ever studied the history of communism, this is, hopefully, not communism. Communism was based on the rule of labor, which is an insanity, and it was still in practice a money based society, which is a lie to the people; also, it was hijacked early on by corrupt individuals and groups that wanted the old fashioned power.

As for the religious issues, the Venus Project, while being secular, it's state separate from religion, does not present a single worldview or ideology, whereas communism had Marxism. The resource based economy does not count, just as capitalism is not an ideology; it is just a way how to distribute resources. The VP is also not necessarily totalitarian; it allows people to do what they please and believe what they want.

I would have to see some more in depth studies of the VP in how to tackle the problems of corrupt individuals trying to build their own empire apart of making them obsolete (which will work in 99 percents, but what about the last one percent of psychopaths?), or how they want to deal with the lack of internal dynamics of the system to tell you if it is really legit, but so far, they really got me with their superb rebuttal of the Adam Smith motivation theory and the resultant practical rebuttal of the main raison d'etre behind capitalism.
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