Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[xTruthSeekerx]

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[Unintelligable Name]

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Not helpful, just troll-like.

[trailhound]

 I think the Venus project is total pie in the sky con, but i also think those who wish to try to build it should do so. Build a model state and show us all how its done. Just remember that Marx's ideas sounded good on paper too.

[White Rose Sophie]

"WHO re-allocates the resources"?

Ok - let's rephrase that.  WHO is responsible for the implementation of the 'Venus Project"? 

Still hasn't answered that question.   

A 'resource' based economy won't work if there are some with 'more' resources than others.  Which means that ALL have to participate...not just those who 'want' to. 

[trailhound]

"WHO re-allocates the resources"?

Ok - let's rephrase that.  WHO is responsible for the implementation of the 'Venus Project"?

Still hasn't answered that question.   Cheesy Cheesy

Silly girl, why the benevolent computer thats going to re-educate you and take care of everything so you can have and do whatever you want.

[White Rose Sophie]

Silly girl, why the benevolent computer thats going to re-educate you and take care of everything so you can have and do whatever you want.

I know darlin'. I just wanted HIM to say it.   

[BrentonEccles]

Enjoy your people's created ultrasocialist utopia run by machines, BrentonEccles.

Please stop spamming this forum with your pro-utopian "propaganda", we are not Zeitgeist or Zeitgeist Addendem fans nor do we want to be Zeitgeist fans or Venus project fans.

In any case I'm not spamming this forum, I'm offering you a workable alternative to our present failed experiments.
You can throw ad-hominem attacks us by calling ultrasocialists, utopians, and all that shit.

But, that's all it'll ever be. Shit.

Yes the venus project...not going to happen any time soon.

The venus project is taking peoples money (see above link) for an idea you even said is not going to happen any time soon.

It is relevant...cause if you raise money for something and it doesn't happen its called fraud.

Do you not understand that?

Ah, you are still making erroneous statements. We don't need to raise money to get this to happen, a resource-based economy will not 'by' implemented by a monetary system.
It will very much be on a lot of people's lips soon, that this is the direction we HAVE to move in, because with the final failure of our monetary system... people will not be asking for sound money... such an erroneous concept cannot occur.

Who ever is the holder of the account gets the money and when he dies who gets it after... sigh i know you guys are mega scammers now

Too bad it's a registered not-for-profit organisation, eh? ;p

Still hasn't answered that question.   

A 'resource' based economy won't work if there are some with 'more' resources than others.  Which means that ALL have to participate...not just those who 'want' to.

And you're still too stupid to grasp the concept that there will not be a NEED to allocate resources. Resources need only be allocated when there ISN'T enough to go around for all people. You don't have to allocate something when there is enough for everyone.

Silly girl, why the benevolent computer thats going to re-educate you and take care of everything so you can have and do whatever you want.

No computer is going to re-educate you. Technology will just be used to your advantage so you aren't in indentured servitude your whole life working to sustain access to the bare necessities like most people have to.
The only person that will educate you, will be yourself, and the society as a whole.
You want to learn how to be a photographer, fine, go to a camera center and get a camera. You will actually be able to pursue your interests with the limit of "that's not a profitable career" and other such crap.

I know darlin'. I just wanted HIM to say it.   

Ofcourse you want me to say that, for a very simple reason, you don't care for bettering the lives of your fellow human beings on a real level. If you did, you'd duly consider all propositions without bias before ever arriving at a decision on something.

Once again, I appeal to you to educate YOURSELF. Don't let others do it for you, and certainly by no means me, do it yourself.

Sources of relevance
Zeitgeist Movement Activist Orientation Video & PDF: Zeitgeist Movement Activist Orientation Guide 09
What is a Resource-based Economy?

If you're really going to come to a conclusion on this new direction, then you owe it to yourself on every level to understand it properly rather than make connections with the present system (i.e., nwo agenda) or accuse it of being unworkable due to your opinions and assumptions.

It's time to grow up.

[White Rose Sophie]

Of course you want me to say that, for a very simple reason, you don't care for bettering the lives of your fellow human beings on a real level. If you did, you'd duly consider all propositions without bias before ever arriving at a decision on something.

Once again, I appeal to you to educate YOURSELF. Don't let others do it for you, and certainly by no means me, do it yourself.

Well, I don't understand how you can say that, since you don't know me. My suggestion is that you be the first to enter the Venus Project and show us how perfect it is.  Then maybe you will find more 'adherents'.

 And I have considered what "Zeitgeist" and the Venus Project exemplifies, and it is pure New World Order Theosophical Collectivism. Would you like some quotes from Blavatsky, Bailey, Besant, etc showing just EXACTLY that?    You just do not like the fact that I disagree with your theory and so therefore am not 'educated'.

You have not even debated the fact that one of the funding sources for Zeitgeist (and Mr. Joseph) is Artivist, an organization endorsed and promoted  by the United Nations.  Which is the future seat of WORLD GOVERNMENT. 

So, when I ask you "who" reallocates the resources, you have sidestepped the question again and again with the vague "we", when even Joseph himself said that people will be 're-educated'.  By whom?

Excuse me, who has the right to re-educate  me or anyone else?

[BrentonEccles]

Of course you want me to say that, for a very simple reason, you don't care for bettering the lives of your fellow human beings on a real level. If you did, you'd duly consider all propositions without bias before ever arriving at a decision on something.

Once again, I appeal to you to educate YOURSELF. Don't let others do it for you, and certainly by no means me, do it yourself.

Well, I don't understand how you can say that, since you don't know me. My suggestion is that you be the first to enter the Venus Project and show us how perfect it is.  Then maybe you will find more 'adherents'.

 And I have considered what "Zeitgeist" and the Venus Project exemplifies, and it is pure New World Order Theosophical Collectivism. Would you like some quotes from Blavatsky, Bailey, Besant, etc showing just EXACTLY that?    You just do not like the fact that I disagree with your theory and so therefore am not 'educated'.

You have not even debated the fact that one of the funding sources for Zeitgeist (and Mr. Joseph) is Artivist, an organization endorsed and promoted  by the United Nations.  Which is the future seat of WORLD GOVERNMENT. 

So, when I ask you "who" reallocates the resources, you have sidestepped the question again and again with the vague "we", when even Joseph himself said that people will be 're-educated'.  By whom?

Excuse me, who has the right to re-educate  me or anyone else?

Artivist didn't fund Zeitgeist, because Peter 'made' the first film before even submitting it to that festival by a long shot.
You can quote Theosophical stuff, but it means nothing. I can find quotes in the Qur'an, the Bible (Lord's Prayer, specifically), Witchcraft creeds, etc, that align with the aims of our movement. Just because someone says something in the past, doesn't mean their words apply to a system in the future.

My suggestion is that you be the first to enter the Venus Project and show us how perfect it is.

Much of present-day scientific knowledge is in and of itself an advocate of our proposals (especially in regards to human behaviour, society-based studies, etc,).

What do you mean by "Who reallocates the resources?" that simply doesn't make sense. You only need to allocate them, if they're not available to everyone. So, you're going to have to clearly define this question of yours if you want a real answer.

In regards to re-education, what we're talking about is people understanding Science and Technology. Having a relevant education. A relevant education means to have knowledge applicable to the social system.
When Peter was talking about someone being re-educated that was taken totally out of context. He was talking about a hypothetical person being frozen for a thousand years and then just "thrown into" a future society. If you did that with anyone at any time, you'd have to "re-educate" them when they came into that society. Leonardo Da Vinci, if we could somehow instantly bring him back... would be lost in our society, his language would be hard to understand, and you would have to educate them up to present day knowledge.
Re-education does not mean throwing you in a room and brainwashing you with a lot of pseudo-crap to make you a robotic arm support for a culture.

[chrisfromchi]

It's time to grow up.

Your security droids and fancy trains are no match for my Jedi powers.

[BrentonEccles]

Your security droids and fancy trains are no match for my Jedi powers.

Again, regardless of how much knowledge you may or may not have about this direction, you fail to produce relevant or beneficial discussion.

[xTruthSeekerx]

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[Magnumpi]

So what's the deal with Wicca, and Paganism? Side issue?

[chrisfromchi]

Again, regardless of how much knowledge you may or may not have about this direction, you fail to produce relevant or beneficial discussion.

No, i got you to admit he is going to Ecuador with all these people you convince to join your scam money.

Plus he is 93 years old probably be dead so if he dies, its probably done unless as i suspect he isn't the real leader of this thus its a scam, built on internet viral movies and new age theories and stolen patriot arguments.

Ecuador for the possible location? It is real estate investment commune for people who think a certain way.

All these information about your movement and Venus project i got you to admit on one of the most well read forum on this subject.

Have your movement. But its an empty one and its a scam for the greater percentage of your members.

I will be proved right. I know this.

[BrentonEccles]

So what's the deal with Wicca, and Paganism? Side issue?

What do you mean?
No different to mentioning any other religion.

Just because I have studied the Qur'an, doesn't make me a Muslim.
If I read Scott Cunninghams "Wicca: A Guide" ... that doesn't make me a pagan.
I brought that subject up to remind people, since there appear to be religious people here, that Christianity is great - but why isn't it being put into practice?

"Thy Will be done on Earth, as it is in Heaven."
Well, by all Christian accounts, there wont be elitism and banks and poverty and war in Heaven.

[BrentonEccles]

No, i got you to admit he is going to Ecuador with all these people you convince to join your scam money.

Plus he is 93 years old probably be dead so if he dies, its probably done unless as i suspect he isn't the real leader of this thus its a scam, built on internet viral movies and new age theories and stolen patriot arguments.

Ecuador for the possible location? It is real estate investment commune for people who think a certain way.

All these information about your movement and Venus project i got you to admit on one of the most well read forum on this subject.

Have your movement. But its an empty one and its a scam for the greater percentage of your members.

I will be proved right. I know this.

No you wont. Feel free to stay enslaved to the current structures, if you wish.
If a person like Jacque Fresco is a money-scammer, then how much more of a scammer is Alex Jones.  I mean seriously if you want to get into a discussion on that-- sheesh, at least Jacque is offering workable alternatives.

And, ofcourse Jacque isn't the 'real leader'. No one is. It amazes me that you claim to be a grassroots movement here yourself, yet you have no grasp on what that actually means.

[Magnumpi]

Just checking, wondering if perhaps it has some kind of tie-in to the grand scheme.

"I accept the label ‘Pagan’ or ‘Neo-Pagan’ but I am ofcourse still making sure it is right for me, I don’t really want to tell others because I feel religion, especially this one, is a private matter."

[BrentonEccles]

Just checking, wondering if perhaps it has some kind of tie-in to the grand scheme.

Ofcourse not, people can be free to practice whatever traditions they please. As it should be.

[chrisfromchi]

No you wont. Feel free to stay enslaved to the current structures, if you wish.
If a person like Jacque Fresco is a money-scammer, then how much more of a scammer is Alex Jones.  I mean seriously if you want to get into a discussion on that-- sheesh, at least Jacque is offering workable alternatives.

And, ofcourse Jacque isn't the 'real leader'. No one is. It amazes me that you claim to be a grassroots movement here yourself, yet you have no grasp on what that actually means.

Alex Jones references actual News stories and gives interpretations and opinions on it.

Jacque talks in an accent about a star trek like future where robots will help you live.

Alex Jones puts all his material out for free, or you can find it quite easily for free, or you can make the choice to buy a dvd hard copy and/or a prision planet membership so you can get updates, videos, webstream which you can download and copy for your own use and such.

Jacque has pictures and pdfs about what he is planning and charges you 138.30 for the full information packet.

Alex Jones has a video tour of the command base of his operation on youtube.

Just with that little game above you, Alex Jones is a lot more legitimate of an operation than Jacque, peter Joesph, or you can ever imagine in grassroots.

You use those terms like grassroots as sell points to trick people into the scam, that is how messed up you are. You will be defeated.

[BrentonEccles]

Alex Jones references actual News stories and gives interpretations and opinions on it.

Exactly, and that's about as useful to you or me as a bloody old and used tampon.

Alex Jones references actual News stories and gives interpretations and opinions on it.

Jacque talks in an accent about a star trek like future where robots will help you live.

Alex Jones puts all his material out for free, or you can find it quite easily for free, or you can make the choice to buy a dvd hard copy and/or a prision planet membership so you can get updates, videos, webstream which you can download and copy for your own use and such.

Jacque has pictures and pdfs about what he is planning and charges you 138.30 for the full information packet. (A pretty big package, for that price too )

Alex Jones has a video tour of the command base of his operation on youtube.

Just with that little game above you, Alex Jones is a lot more legitimate of an operation than Jacque, peter Joesph, or you can ever imagine in grassroots.

You use those terms like grassroots as sell points to trick people into the scam, that is how messed up you are. You will be defeated.

There is no one for you to defeat, for again, you cannot defeat a grassroots movement once it gains momentum... because grass grows wherever it can.

The future Jacque talks about, we're already heading into, it's easy for you to see and understand if you really want to.

And once again, I have nothing to 'sell' to you. Just a suggested, tangible option. And yes, it really is tangible ... it does not take a highly educated scientist to understand that.

If it's so unlikely I ask you to give me some examples of why a resource-based economy wouldn't work in terms of it's technology, what makes it impossible?

[mr anderson]

How exactly would you fit people into those compact mega cities? Depopulation? 

[chrisfromchi]

If it's so unlikely I ask you to give me some examples of why a resource-based economy wouldn't work in terms of it's technology, what makes it impossible?

I did that in previous posts.

[Magnumpi]

That's on the Venus site as well. Rule number 4. Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth control.

16. Enhancing communication in schools so that our language is relevant to the physical conditions of the world

18. Finally, preparing people intellectually and emotionally for the changes and challenges that lie ahead.

...

How exactly would you fit people into those compact mega cities? Depopulation? 

[BrentonEccles]

That's on the Venus site as well. Rule number 4. Assisting in stabilizing the world’s population through education and voluntary birth control. (So basically, access to condoms and whatnot)

16. Enhancing communication in schools so that our language is relevant to the physical conditions of the world

18. Finally, preparing people intellectually and emotionally for the changes and challenges that lie ahead.

...

Those cities are not compact, and keep in mind that they're only -models- of what future cities could look like.
Take a look at that Masdar Initiative video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovly1dQGKH4&feature=player_embedded http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masdar_City
Just an example of a city that is somewhat in 'style' of what a VP city could be like.

[BrentonEccles]

I did that in previous posts.

No you didn't, you made a bunch of empty points which I addressed and you now refuse to discuss further.

[chrisfromchi]

No you didn't, you made a bunch of empty points which I addressed and you now refuse to discuss further.

Empty to you. Not empty for those that read them and see the wisdom. Be gone salesman.

[Magnumpi]

http://www.thevenusproject.com/media/Newpapers/1981%20-%20LakePlacidJournal/Binder1.pdf

Venus is Headquarters to Sociocyberneering Research

"The book ("Looking Forward") took readers on a journey into the 21st century, where nationalism had been surpassed, total disarmament achieved, and educational technology made teachers obsolete."

[BrentonEccles]

Empty to you. Not empty for those that read them and see the wisdom. Be gone salesman.

Wisdom, oh my, continue on with your sophistry friend! I encourage anyone to go back through the thread and read the discussion between you and me and then tell me that my responses to your points are not in need of addressing.

I have nothing to sell to you.

[BrentonEccles]

http://www.thevenusproject.com/media/Newpapers/1981%20-%20LakePlacidJournal/Binder1.pdf

"The book ("Looking Forward") took readers on a journey into the 21st century, where nationalism had been surpassed, total disarmament achieved, and educational technology made teachers obsolete."

Sociocyberneering was the early name for The Venus Project/Resource-based Economy.

[chrisfromchi]

Wisdom, oh my, continue on with your sophistry friend! I encourage anyone to go back through the thread and read the discussion between you and me and then tell me that my responses to your points are not in need of addressing.

I have nothing to sell to you.

I find your email address. You really are a professional shill for zeitgeist. Possibly paid but i think you really believe this scam so i feel sorry for you..

laglegur@gmail.com

http://zm.brentoneccles.com/

I assure you i can find ways to foil your evil spaceship plan.

[BrentonEccles]

I find your email address. You really are a professional shill for zeitgeist. Possibly paid but i think you really believe this scam so i feel sorry for you..

laglegur@gmail.com

http://zm.brentoneccles.com/

I assure you i can find ways to foil your evil spaceship plan.

You're quite welcome to give people my e-mail address if that makes you feel good . By the way I don't use that website anymore. I've been working on other initiatives. I'm not paid by anyone, in-fact I don't even have a job (other than to educate myself).

You are now, though, just trolling by calling it an 'evil spaceship plan.' You know better than that, or at least you would, if you had chosen to educate yourself.

By the way, laglegur means pretty in Icelandic. But it's a total misnomer. ;0

[chrisfromchi]

You're quite welcome to give people my e-mail address if that makes you feel good . By the way I don't use that website anymore. I've been working on other initiatives. I'm not paid by anyone, in-fact I don't even have a job (other than to educate myself).

You are now, though, just trolling by calling it an 'evil spaceship plan.' You know better than that, or at least you would, if you had chosen to educate yourself.

Other initiatives is coming to the prison planet forums? sigh...no wonder your unemployed.

Evil Spaceship Plan
Its evil, cause its a scam based on peoples emotions. Let me guess you wish you lived in a world where you didn't need to work...lol an unemployed person saying that...

Spaceships...cause its the future and Jaqcue talks about taking this to other planets and space as well...so thats the endgame.

Plan...cause like cylons you have one.

And my Jedi powers proved you were a shill for this idea...

Get a job and learn how you can take care of yourself.

[BrentonEccles]

no wonder your unemployed.

Well, mainly because I'm a student and don't need money to live (quite literally) -- it's not hard

its a scam based on peoples emotions.

No, it's not. It's based on the highest optimisation of science.
That has nothing to do with mine, or anyone elses emotions.

[chrisfromchi]

Well, mainly because I'm a student and don't need money to live (quite literally) -- it's not hard

No, it's not. It's based on the highest optimisation of science.
That has nothing to do with mine, or anyone elses emotions.

When you get out of school you'll realize the world isn't like school (which is really an organized and planned society) and you'll understand why zeitgeist is unfeasible.
Seriously...even real work doesn't need to be hard you'll see that when you are out of school.
You have very good argument techniques but your kinda lost on that.
You will understand this fully when you graduate i don't expect you to agree with this now.

Yes it is emotions. You believe in your heart that this resource-based society will bring the righteousness and goodness that the human soul deserves.
Alex just asks you to research the NWO, not go out and sell his dvds. The zeitgeist people are trying to sign up investors for this idea and get donations based on an emotionally based idea of a utopia future where everyone has what they want, cause yes on paper there are enough resources for everyone but there are no robots..no food replicators...solar cells and fuel cells are not yet able to do things...maybe 100 years but thats along way to start donating now and spreading this idea...that's why i believe zeitgeist is a scam, cause instead of becoming self sufficient and working on ways of bettering yourself, all you do is use circular logic and tag marketing words like resource based economy. sorry i'm just getting preachy now.

[BrentonEccles]

When you get out of school you'll realize the world isn't like school

I've been out of school, I'm well aware of the world thank-you.

Alex just asks you to research the NWO,

Exactly, and that does absolutely nothing other than to perpetuate his organisational structure.

Yes it is emotions. You believe in your heart that this resource-based society will bring the righteousness and goodness that the human soul deserves.

No, it's not based on emotions.
You give people access to the necessities of life, and they'll behave VERY differently. That's Science, not emotions and not opinion.

[Magnumpi]

http://www.thevenusproject.com/media/downloads/LookingForward.pdf

Page 74

"The advent of cybernation may be regarded as an emancipation proclamation for mankind. Its thorough application will at least enable a man to have the highest conceivable standards of living with practically no labor. It will free him for the first time from a highly structured and outwardly imposed routine of repetitive day-by-day activity. It will permit him to return to the Greek concept of leisure where all work was done by slaves and men had time to cultivate their minds..."

All about the hedonism. Starting to look an awful lot like Demolition Man. Earlier in the book, he referred to a woman who stays at home, takes care of the household, as a slave to appease the male ego.

"Air and water, mixed under pressure to form a soft, cleansing spray, delightfully comb every part of their bodies at a speed and pressure they have taught the cybernator. No soap is used; ultrasonically activated water loosens any clinging particles. This bath not only cleanses their bodies but also furnishes the most delightful tactile sensations with sprays that tingle and massage every part of them..."

"When you're with someone else, I'm glad." Scott's tone is warm. "I know you've found a relationship that adds to your life..."

It's all some story about this couple for most of the book. It mixes in some good concepts about people feeling better about themselves for their accomplishments and convictions, as opposed to superficial determinations of self worth. But then, says we can change our genes to "operate" however we want. It would be more fun if people weren't taking it seriously.

[BrentonEccles]

All about the hedonism.

Oh, so you want to talk philosophy now?

Hedonism, by definition, is the continual need to work to fill ones desires. That's -our- structure, right now.
Our society is the leaky jar, but a resource-based economy would by the repaired jars.

(If you don't know what I'm talking about, read Plato's Gorgias)

[Magnumpi]

Oh, so you want to talk philosophy now?

Hedonism, by definition, is the continual need to work to fill ones desires. That's -our- structure, right now.
Our society is the leaky jar, but a resource-based economy would by the repaired jars.

(If you don't know what I'm talking about, read Plato's Gorgias)

So you sleep with men for science, is that it? Not hedonistic pleasure? I live for challenge, not desire. Speak for yourself.

[chrisfromchi]

I've been out of school, I'm well aware of the world thank-you.
Exactly, and that does absolutely nothing other than to perpetuate his organisational structure.
No, it's not based on emotions.
You give people access to the necessities of life, and they'll behave VERY differently. That's Science, not emotions and not opinion.

your are real messed up man.

First you lie in your previous post. "Well, mainly because I'm a student and don't need money to live (quite literally) -- it's not hard"
Second you take a half quote assumption.
Third its totally emotions and its sad you can't realize this.

[BrentonEccles]

So you sleep with men for science, is that it? Not hedonistic pleasure? I live for challenge, not desire. Speak for yourself.

No, that's certainly not what I'm saying.

your are real messed up man.

First you lie in your previous post. "Well, mainly because I'm a student and don't need money to live (quite literally) -- it's not hard"
Second you take a half quote assumption.
Third its totally emotions and its sad you can't realize this.

I haven't lied to you at all. And, your circular reasoning of ignoring present-day knowledge lends you no help my friend. It is emotions that are attached to our current systems, and that's why you're afraid of real change (ego attached to it), in comparison with a resource-based economy.