Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[FRANKLIN]

Zeitgeist creator Peter Joesph has announced a third documentary film in his series, which has the working title of 'Zeitgeist III: Tabula Rasa' and will be releaed in October 2010.

He said this new film will deal with "The Myth of Human Nature" and further promote The Zeitgeist Movement.

Now, I know you people are going to attack me for saying this, but I am a member of the Zeitgeist Movement.  Then again, I am a member of a lot of movements.   I guess I like moving.

Having said that, I am aware of a lot of the flaws in the documentaries.

I also get a lot of criticism from within the movement for my studies of Astro-Theology despite the original Zeitgeist featuring a large piece on it.  Similarly I have come under fire from Zeitgeist leaders for believing in a conpiracy involving Freemasonry and Saturnalia.  They don't like me to talk about these subjects.

Alex Jones said that he supported a lot of what Peter Joseph said in the previous documentaries.  I was wondering if, without arguining with me, you could come up with some intelligent suggestions as to what topics Peter Joseph should cover in the third installment of his series.  He tends to cover more than one.  Is there a way to redeem himself in the eyes of Alex Jones' Movement?

[xTruthSeekerx]

more nwo oh joynot

[Pheonix Renewed]

Why the bailout is "failing" and was never a good idea to begin with.
Food as a weapon against the populace.

[TheHouseMan]

Zeitgeist is the movie that changed my life, and I will definitely be watching this. Peter Joseph has put out the best documentaries I've ever seen.

As for human nature, Peter Joseph believes strongly that everything we do is as a result of our environment. It's hard to agree or disagree, because you would need to bring up a child under different circumstances and see what happens. I find it very hard to say that we don't have instincts, because after all, our limbs move from the second we are born. However, later we learn all kinds of stuff, and I generally believe that what we do is 99% environmental. Only the really basic, subconscious things like breathing are human nature, so to speak.

[Dig]

Zeitgeist creator Peter Joesph has announced a third documentary film in his series, which has the working title of 'Zeitgeist III: Tabula Rasa' and will be releaed in October 2010.

He said this new film will deal with "The Myth of Human Nature" and further promote The Zeitgeist Movement.

Now, I know you people are going to attack me for saying this, but I am a member of the Zeitgeist Movement.  Then again, I am a member of a lot of movements.   I guess I like moving.

Having said that, I am aware of a lot of the flaws in the documentaries.

I also get a lot of criticism from within the movement for my studies of Astro-Theology despite the original Zeitgeist featuring a large piece on it.  Similarly I have come under fire from Zeitgeist leaders for believing in a conpiracy involving Freemasonry and Saturnalia.  They don't like me to talk about these subjects.

Alex Jones said that he supported a lot of what Peter Joseph said in the previous documentaries.  I was wondering if, without arguining with me, you could come up with some intelligent suggestions as to what topics Peter Joseph should cover in the third installment of his series.  He tends to cover more than one.  Is there a way to redeem himself in the eyes of Alex Jones' Movement?

Question for Peter Joseph:

How are "The Venus Project" and "Tabula Raza" not part of an occultist theosophical agenda?

[Dok]

Tabula rasa (Latin: blank slate) refers to the epistemological thesis that individual human beings are born with no built-in mental content, in a word, "blank", and that their entire resource of knowledge is built up gradually from their experiences and sensory perceptions of the outside world.


The tabula rasa concept became popular in social sciences in the 20th century. Eugenics (mainstream in the late 19th and early 20th centuries) came to be seen not as a sound policy but as a crime. The idea that genes (or simply "blood") determined character took on racist overtones. By the 1970s, some scientists had come to see gender identity as socially constructed rather than rooted in genetics (see John Money), a concept still current (see Anne Fausto-Sterling). This swing of the pendulum accompanied suspicion of innate differences in general (see racism) and a propensity to "manage" society, where the real power must be if people are born blank

[Dig]

Tabula rasa (Latin: blank slate) refers to the epistemological thesis that individual human beings are born with no built-in mental content, in a word, "blank", and that their entire resource of knowledge is built up gradually from their experiences and sensory perceptions of the outside world.


The tabula rasa concept became popular in social sciences in the 20th century. Eugenics (mainstream in the late 19th and early 20th centuries) came to be seen not as a sound policy but as a crime. The idea that genes (or simply "blood") determined character took on racist overtones. By the 1970s, some scientists had come to see gender identity as socially constructed rather than rooted in genetics (see John Money), a concept still current (see Anne Fausto-Sterling). This swing of the pendulum accompanied suspicion of innate differences in general (see racism) and a propensity to "manage" society, where the real power must be if people are born blank

I knew it was some fricking Blavatsky, Luciferian, voodoo, mind control, and planetary enslavement bullshit!

[abrhim]

tabula rasa from what someone defined it as is a lot like the opening paragraph of Democracy in America by alexis tocqueville, (rough quote) "man should be looked at in the eyes of the child.  From the first visual and auditory exposures we are shaped by these precognitive events."  and from what i understand scientology says something along those lines just after the stress test.  and the "quote" was more like a faded memory i'm trying to recapture.  the theme is essentially that but the wording is different.

About zeitgeist 2 and the venus project.  It's a bit far fetched, because we are miles and miles away from even getting close to that in my mind, but the ideals surrounding it don't sound too terrible either.  It looks good on paper but in doesnt' seem possible.

[Dok]

The Spiritual Origins of Childhood
By Thomas Armstrong
Children. Who are they? Where do they come from? Questions like these are generally not asked in this culture, except by children themselves, seeking answers to their own origins. The answers that are given by parents, teachers, and other adults in society usually have to do with conception, the processes of gestation, and physical birth. Yet these explanations say nothing about the origins of consciousness. They refer simply to material and biological events.

Each psychological school has a different idea of the infant world. To the behaviorists, it is a tabula rasa or "blank slate" upon which life's events are to be inscribed as the child grows. To the Freudians, it is a mass of libidinal impulses and urges which need to be tamed and channeled in the course of development. To the cognitive psychologists, including Piaget, it is a bundle of primitive sensorimotor structures which will eventually evolve and mature into abstract thinking in adolescence. Each of these models views the child as emerging from less into more.

Assuredly these perspectives leave something out. What is omitted is that part of childhood which Wordsworth talked about in his famous "Ode on Intimations of Immortality from Recollections of Early Childhood":

Our birth is but a sleep and a forgetting: / The Soul that rises with us, our life's Star, / Hath had elsewhere its setting, / And cometh from afar: / Not in entire forgetfulness, / And not in utter nakedness, / But trailing clouds of glory do we come / From God, who is our home: / Heaven lies about us in our infancy!
If children are indeed travelers from another place, then in order to fully understand them, their moods, their habits, and their ultimate needs in this world, we should have at least an inkling of where they came from. And naturally, to understand them in this way is to understand ourselves and our own origins as we have all traveled the same route through infancy to our present adult state.

Theosophical writers see the child's nature as an immortal spiritual soul descending into a material physical body, having passed through many levels of experience on the way to birth. To the Sufi mystic also,

the infant that is born on earth brings with it the air of heaven. In its expression, in its smiles, even in its cry you hear the melody of the heavens. The Sufi point of view is that an infant is an exile from heaven, and that is why its first expression on earth is a cry. -- Hazrat Inayat Khan
There are some recent stirrings within the academic and scientific community which show the beginnings of an interest in these matters. Thomas Verny, a Canadian psychiatrist, has reported in The Secret Life of the Unborn Child on several scientific studies which reveal that the child in the womb experiences far more than was previously thought possible. Several psychologists have performed studies where adults were brought back to the time of their birth and before, and reported vivid memories which were later corroborated by parents, doctors in the delivery room, and others. Perhaps the most fascinating research of all is that being done by Ian Stevenson, a University of Virginia psychiatrist, who has interviewed scores of children from around the world who have reported memories of past lifetimes. After collecting their memories, he traveled to the villages they reported having come from in their previous existence to verify their stories. In many cases he discovered startling accuracies in their "memories" of other lives. Stevenson's research, recorded in academic papers and books, promises to reveal a whole new dimension to child development studies.

This new perspective can help account for certain things about children which contemporary psychology and medicine seem unable to satisfactorily explain. Certain dreams, fantasies, and "stories" which children tell may in fact be accurate reports of experiences they have had on nonearthly levels of existence. Stevenson has pointed out how the notion that children have come from other lifetimes helps to explain why they sometimes have fears, prejudices, or preferences which can't be accounted for in terms of anything that has happened to them in this life, and why parents occasionally have a strong attraction or repulsion with regard to one of their children. He suggests that this may have to do with the fact that they had a particularly close or stormy relationship in a previous lifetime.

This broader perspective can help parents to "let go" of their children and allow them to grow according to their own unique rhythms and patterns of growth. It gives empirical support to Kahlil Gibran's famous statement about children: "They come through you but not from you."

Most spiritual and religious traditions agree that we are here on earth for a purpose and that children need to be helped to develop their egos and assisted in coming to grips with this earthly existence. Yet at the same time, children have a need to "remember" their spiritual origins to help sustain them through the trials and difficulties they may encounter while here on earth. Children have an instinctive memory of "other" worlds. This may not come out as explicitly as the past-life memories reported by Stevenson, but it does take form in every child's fascination with fairy tales which often are allegories that describe the structure of these "other worlds" from which the child has descended. It is also revealed through play, dreams, and other forms of imaginative and artistic experience.

The arts, storytelling, music, and other forms of holistic and spiritual education help children to learn the "rules of the game" without having to sacrifice their visions of an earlier existence. If parents would speak to their children in the language of myth and fairy tales, through the medium of dance, music, and art, as well as from their spiritual understanding of life's mysteries, then they could help them to "remember" and at the same time to find a place for themselves in this sometimes strange and alien world.

[TheCaliKid]

Question for Peter Joseph:

How are "The Venus Project" and "Tabula Raza" not part of an occultist theosophical agenda?

Exactly.

[Pupil]

LOL! I love it.. It's already debunked on the announcement. Best. Forum. Ever.

[TheHouseMan]

LOL! I love it.. It's already debunked on the announcement. Best. Forum. Ever.

It's not "debunked", you idiot. Some of the most profound thinkers in history have said that the human child is blank slate, onto which impressions are created. That's what we are. We are shaped by our environment. You have been shaped by group psychology to say something as stupid as you just said.

And then you have Sane and others saying this is "occultic", just because Tabula Rasa is not a bland American name. The name sounds a bit funny, so it's suddenly witchcraft and voodoo... God damn. Sometimes I think this American truth movement is made up of ignorant racist-type people. Just my opinion.

[Mber]

"Theosophy" and everything that surrounds it isn't a problem in and of ITSELF imo. It's when GROUPS form to try and conform OTHERS TO IT that a huge problem comes.

We have so many people scared to think and be unique individuals in this world its sad.

Live and let live.

[Pheonix Renewed]

It's not "debunked", you idiot. Some of the most profound thinkers in history have said that the human child is blank slate, onto which impressions are created. That's what we are. We are shaped by our environment. You have been shaped by group psychology to say something as stupid as you just said.

And then you have Sane and others saying this is "occultic", just because Tabula Rasa is not a bland American name. The name sounds a bit funny, so it's suddenly witchcraft and voodoo... God damn. Sometimes I think this American truth movement is made up of ignorant racist-type people. Just my opinion.

Very simply speaking, we most certainly are NOT "blank slates." This has been proven many, many times with twins and with adopted children. Adopted children standardly have characteristics that they share with their biological families, even without ever having seen or met them before. This is well known in the adoption community. Why do adoptees search for their biological roots at all? Because they are a product of their environment? No. Because biological roots matter. Why do biological roots matter? Because we often don't fit into our families. We are often "different" from them. Not only in appearance (and sometimes NOT different in appearance), but often in gestures, mannerisms, likes and dislikes, and even interests. Upon meeting the biological families, it's rare for the adoptee to find they have nothing in common with them. In cases where they do find they have nothing in common with them, their idea of "nothing" is usually economic and social status and excludes the many personality traits they share (like of sci fi- dislike of sci fi, enjoyment of reading- dislike of reading, whatever). Upon close examination of these "nothing in common" people, most of the time they share more in common with their biological families they've never seen, than their adoptive families, just that they hold a disdain for the economic or social status of their biological family.

The failed social experiment of adoption proves the lie in the "blank slate" theory quite nicely. If, of course, we would quit ignoring adoption and all of its powerfully negative implications. But then, it's a 1.8 billion dollar industry, so it is above reproach. And naturally, when it's a billion dollar industry, the only research that goes into it is how to keep the negatives quiet and how to convince people that it's the best thing to ever happen to children.

Orphan trains, anyone?

Absolutely untrue, we are most certainly NOT blank slates, and anyone believing that outdated bullshit is either grossly underinformed or willfully ignorant. Maybe both.

[TheCaliKid]

It's not "debunked", you idiot. Some of the most profound thinkers in history have said that the human child is blank slate, onto which impressions are created. That's what we are. We are shaped by our environment. You have been shaped by group psychology to say something as stupid as you just said.

And then you have Sane and others saying this is "occultic", just because Tabula Rasa is not a bland American name. The name sounds a bit funny, so it's suddenly witchcraft and voodoo... God damn. Sometimes I think this American truth movement is made up of ignorant racist-type people. Just my opinion.

I disagree. Zeitgeist is a serious series. It is advocating a complete changing of society, is it not?

[gEEk squad]

And then you have Sane and others saying this is "occultic", just because Tabula Rasa is not a bland American name. The name sounds a bit funny, so it's suddenly witchcraft and voodoo... God damn. Sometimes I think this American truth movement is made up of ignorant racist-type people. Just my opinion.

We know that it will involve the same agenda as the NWO because the 2nd Zeitgeist movie featured the Venus Project, which is not much different from Theosophy.

Zeitgeist did a great job at showing the problems of our society but it is presenting the same solution as the NWO with a slightly different picture. It is meant to sucker good people in.

Many thinkers have stated that the only way to get rid of the NWO system is an organic mass movement towards decentralization. Aldous Huxley said in Brave New World Revisited that this was the best way to avoid his dystopian future but mentioned that at that time no such movement was around.

Zeitgeist promotes the opposite.

[xTruthSeekerx]

It's not "debunked", you idiot. Some of the most profound thinkers in history have said that the human child is blank slate, onto which impressions are created. That's what we are. We are shaped by our environment. You have been shaped by group psychology to say something as stupid as you just said.

And then you have Sane and others saying this is "occultic", just because Tabula Rasa is not a bland American name. The name sounds a bit funny, so it's suddenly witchcraft and voodoo... God damn. Sometimes I think this American truth movement is made up of ignorant racist-type people. Just my opinion.

i am starting to think your a plant of some kind, first the oh they dont want to kill us to waco and now this

[NX]

Let's all fight about it...

[TheHouseMan]

i am starting to think your a plant of some kind, first the oh they dont want to kill us to waco and now this

Stop accusing me of things you don't understand. I am entitled to my opinion, and I believe we adapt to our environments.

Adopted children standardly have characteristics that they share with their biological families, even without ever having seen or met them before.

The whole orphan thing is BS. Show me some data and  then I'll listen. It's a myth.

[Dok]

Let's all fight about it...

wOOOhOOO 

[TheCaliKid]

Zeitgeist did a great job at showing the problems of our society but it is presenting the same solution as the NWO with a slightly different picture. It is meant to sucker good people in.

This is exactly the point. Truth mixed with lies is a most dangerous formula.


And as is demonstrated here, they are been partially successful in convincing and leading sheep into their fold. 

[Dig]

It's not "debunked", you idiot. Some of the most profound thinkers in history have said that the human child is blank slate, onto which impressions are created.

Yes, I believe these profound thinkers as you call them included "Dr." Ewen Cameron, Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, Dr. Green(berg) and Josef Mengele.  And the "blank state human children" loved all of the hard work those profound thinkers did in releasing their true potential: www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXDASDDrDkM

That's what we are. We are shaped by our environment. You have been shaped by group psychology to say something as stupid as you just said.

The human being can never be fully influenced by environment and those that wish to eugenically alter the very essence of a human being are so fricking evil it is beyond comprehension.  "World Peace Through Control" is a decent read concerning the insanity of "shaping" humans to fit a New World Order: http://www.mormon.citymax.com/LDSMKUltra.html

And then you have Sane and others saying this is "occultic", just because Tabula Rasa is not a bland American name. The name sounds a bit funny, so it's suddenly witchcraft and voodoo...

Bland American name? Name sounds a bit funny? Are you nuts?  Do you think the name was picked because it was an individual act of creative freedom? Venus Project and now
Tabula Rasa.  What a coincidence.  How about this name...Z-Jarhead (Or Zarhead)

God damn. Sometimes I think this American truth movement is made up of ignorant racist-type people. Just my opinion.

Now that was definitely a classic troll maneuver of shifting the issue to something completely immaterial.  How amazing that you just threw racism into the discussion out of nowhere.  Are you hoping that theosophy gets included into the Obama hate crime bills forthcoming?

[Matt Hatter]

I feel that they did a great job in the first 2 explaining the federal reserve, but never discussed the obvious solution. Sound money and the return to a gold/silver standard.

James Turk, in his new article today coveres it very well.

http://news.goldseek.com/JamesTurk/1232989200.php

[ACTION5]

WE NEED TO MERGE WITH TECHNOLOGY TO LIVE IN A SOCIETY NOT BASED ON DIFFERENTIATION.  

This is his central point.  

= New World Order.

Joseph describes a society where everybody will have all the resources they want and thus a large reduction in population will have to take place.

Joseph talks about essentially "A New Age" about what we need to do for civilization to continue, i.e. merge with technology.

-----What idea does Joseph have for how civilization was supposed to get to this point???  His idea only applies for NOW.  Differentiation was required to get to this point, we were the slaves.


His whole concept is a New Age philosophy and against everything anybody on this board should be about IMO.

[TheHouseMan]

Yes, I believe these profound thinkers as you call them included "Dr." Ewen Cameron, Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, Dr. Green(berg) and Josef Mengele.  And the "blank state human children" loved all of the hard work those profound thinkers did in releasing their true potential: www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXDASDDrDkM

No, I'm talking about Byron, Shelley, Milton. Top writers and influential figures from the post-religious era. People open to science and not "God created us all with our traits" BS

The human being can never be fully influenced by environment

I said 99%

Bland American name? Name sounds a bit funny? Are you nuts?  Do you think the name was picked because it was an individual act of creative freedom? Venus Project and now
Tabula Rasa.  What a coincidence.  How about this name...Z-Jarhead (Or Zarhead)

Hahahahaha... of course the name has a meaning, but just because a word has a meaning -- and you haven't heard of that word -- does not make it "occult".... Bloody hell.

Now that was definitely a classic troll maneuver of shifting the issue to something completely immaterial.  How amazing that you just threw racism into the discussion out of nowhere.  Are you hoping that theosophy gets included into the Obama hate crime bills forthcoming?

I'm saying you have the racist mentality. You see a funny word, and you think it's something outside your arena. Something occult. Something secret. No. It's a word from a culture different to yours. You should try being open to cultures other than dumb redneck American...  

The name, Zeitgeist, is German. Does this make Peter Joseph Hitlerian? According to you, it probably does.

[Dig]

Stop accusing me of things you don't understand.

A bit condescending?

I am entitled to my opinion, and I believe we adapt to our environments.

To an extent, but the levels of "adaptability" are available due to the essence of a human being.  Our potential allows for "adapting" as you call it.  But eugenics (which seems to now be the true agenda) attempts to actually deny the entire existence of an essense to human beings. We are just suppoed to be blank canvasses for elite chess masters to paint murals on (usually using our own blood).

The whole orphan thing is BS. Show me some data and  then I'll listen. It's a myth.

It is amazing how you willfully accept something as preposterous as the Logan's Run Venus Project and then brush off some info provided by one of the best researchers on this forum.

[Dig]

We know that it will involve the same agenda as the NWO because the 2nd Zeitgeist movie featured the Venus Project, which is not much different from Theosophy.

Zeitgeist did a great job at showing the problems of our society but it is presenting the same solution as the NWO with a slightly different picture. It is meant to sucker good people in.

Many thinkers have stated that the only way to get rid of the NWO system is an organic mass movement towards decentralization. Aldous Huxley said in Brave New World Revisited that this was the best way to avoid his dystopian future but mentioned that at that time no such movement was around.

Zeitgeist promotes the opposite.

One of the best explanations of the Z and ZA agenda...

           ZEITGEIST                                              ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM
(Fake Religions + NWO  plans)=  Anger,Revulusion, Fear   =  "Venus Project"
     \                             /     \                    /         \                   /
        Problem                             Reaction                   Solution   

Amazin' ain't it?  They just use the same methodology over and over and over.....................

 

[Jackson Holly]

BLANK SLATE ...

Tabula Rasa ... a perfect description of these jarheads worshipping at Peter Joseph's feet.

[TheHouseMan]

It is amazing how you willfully accept something as preposterous as the Logan's Run Venus Project

When did I say I accepted the Venus Project? I don't. I think the idea of having a technologically-ruled society is good, but is not achievable. The NWO will simply get in the way, stage terror attacks on the infrastructure. It's just not going to happen, and I've never heard Peter Joseph try to explain how we get from point A - B.

and then brush off some info provided by one of the best researchers on this forum.

If he has no data or real scientific studies to show me -- that prove people inherit traits without even seeing their parents -- then he's not much of a researcher.

[TheCaliKid]

Another aspect of Zeitgeist to consider, is that as things accelerate here, more and more people are going to be looking for answers.


These movements are in place to guide the "newly awake" in the desired direction. 

[Dig]

No, I'm talking about Byron, Shelley, Milton. Top writers and influential figures from the post-religious era. People open to science and not "God created us all with our traits" BS

These guys talked about the limitations of free will and human spirit over environmental control?

Please provide the passages.

I said 99%

I suppose it would be too much to ask for some kind of explanation of how you came up with this and what it means.  I mean is that 1% powerful enough to have more impact than the 99%?  Is this a one dimentional model?  I would suggest that the human spirit v. environmental control debate would be a bit more complex.

Hahahahaha... of course the name has a meaning, but just because a word has a meaning -- and you haven't heard of that word -- does not make it "occult".... Bloody hell.

Ummm, it is occultish.  It attempts to paradigm shift sociology into a realm of "total environmental control over the human" mentality.  The human spirit and free will are more powerful than environmental controls.

I'm saying you have the racist mentality.

I have the racist mentality?  Is that even an expression.  Now people do not just have to be politically correct or they will be called racist. Now you have to worry about having a "racist mentality" when it comes to forming an opinion about anything, even if it is based in facts, logic, evidence, research. 

You see a funny word, and you think it's something outside your arena. Something occult. Something secret. No. It's a word from a culture different to yours. You should try being open to cultures other than dumb redneck American...  

The word refers to a total BS idea that superior elites need to control the minds of the barbarians for their own good.  It is occultist, luciferian, NWO, feudalistic nonsense.

The name, Zeitgeist, is German. Does this make Peter Joseph Hitlerian? According to you, it probably does.

Oh yeah, I would definitely regard him as another duped useful idiot that is used by the NWO to gather consent via anger only to probably be dumped by the same wizards behind the curtains after his usefulness expires.

[Dig]

When did I say I accepted the Venus Project? I don't. I think the idea of having a technologically-ruled society is good, but is not achievable.

Is that the only problem? Achievability?

Maybe you are right, a tehnology-ruled society would be awesome!


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0328832/

Renew! Renew!

[Dig]

BLANK SLATE ...

Tabula Rasa ... a perfect description of these jarheads worshipping at Peter Joseph's feet.

Zarheads!

Or maybe PJarheads!

[TheCaliKid]

Is that the only problem? Achievability?

Maybe you are right, a tehnology-ruled society would be awesome!


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0328832/

Renew! Renew!

A technology-ruled society would most certainly NOT be awesome.



 

[Dig]

A technology-ruled society would most certainly NOT be awesome.

I hope you realize that I was trying to interject some satire to show how preposterous the idea is (achievable or not).

[TheCaliKid]

Yes, I understood that. I was backing you up!

[grapecrusher1]

Zeitgeist went from possible imminent chaos (A) to a dreamy new age lovefest (C).  Explain the transition phase-- the most important part (B) ? 

[Pheonix Renewed]

Stop accusing me of things you don't understand. I am entitled to my opinion, and I believe we adapt to our environments.

The whole orphan thing is BS. Show me some data and  then I'll listen. It's a myth.

http://books.google.com/books?id=sg4Qr7qZrXYC&pg=PA331&lpg=PA331&dq=adoptees+share+biological+traits&source=web&ots=YxLhj-WiuM&sig=J5f45wGBDWDE6uQs4MS-IizuWEA&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA306,M1

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3284921/genetics-7?page=9

http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/178/40/s12#REF8

Majority of obesity studies regarding "nature versus nurture" show a link to biological, not environmental, factors: http://books.google.com/books?id=Z9eBvuQccfkC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=studies+adoptees+share+biological+traits&source=web&ots=X5KDXk2-CP&sig=HblN6pdwNOvJpNE6vCI9336GQPs&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPA51,M1

Infant Shyness
An adoption study was conducted to disentangle the reasons behind why some infants are open and responsive to attention right away, some take time to open up, and still yet, some others are fearful and withdrawn. It is difficult to tell whether babies are shy because their mothers are shy and thus do not take them out very much, or because the shy mothers pass down their shyness traits. Measures of this study attempted to clarify the relationship between the infants and adoptive and biological parental shyness, parental sociability, and parental introversion-extraversion (Daniels & Plomin, 1985).
Adoptive parents were given questionnaires that asked them to rate their infants' shyness levels, and then to rate themselves on the traits listed previously. It must be noted that the self-reported ratings of the biological were performed before the birth of the infants, and the scoring of the infants' shyness were performed by the adoptive parents when the babies were two years old. The results showed that in nonadoptive families, the parents who reported high rates of shyness, low rates of sociability, and high rates of introversion also had shy infants. This was also seen in adoptive families whose parents rated similarly, indicating that a combination of home environment and genetics must come into play. One significant conclusion was made in this study that was based on the fact that biological mothers rated high in shyness, and their adopted-away babies were also shy. This strengthens the possibility of a genetic link overshadowing family environment, but of course further research must be done (Daniels & Plomin, 1985).
Source: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=studies+adoptees+share+biological+traits&start=20&sa=N


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Now STFU with your ignorant bullshit. There are LOADS of studies in the adoption community that prove that adopted children often mirror the traits of their biological family. I'll tell you what's a f***ing myth. That you can just REPLACE people. That's the MYTH that adoption is based on... the absurd, idiotic idea that you can replace parents, you can replace children that were never born, that you can REPLACE PEOPLE because babies are "blank slates."

They're not blank slates, not even remotely. They DO grieve, and they DO know that their mother is missing. That's what SCIENCE, along with COMMON SENSE, tells us.

I'll take both of those things over some ignorant ass's "it's a MYTH because I SAY SO!"

[Dok]

From grneyelady, http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=62764.msg468650#msg468650

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