Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[Dig]

Zeitgest Adendum, its founders, and the Zenus genocide project EXPOSED:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=44344.0

[zeke105]

It's sad to see so much time wasted dividing people because of their differing views on this film.

[EvadingGrid]

It's sad to see so much time wasted dividing people because of their differing views on this film.

I appreciate the sentiment and also wish to see less disagreement and more agreement, however that is simply not possible with this film. I have spent a lot of time and money on building a large occult library and traveling up and down the country to conduct research, so I have to speak up and state this film is evil.

[Dok]

It's sad to see so much time wasted dividing people because of their differing views on this film.

Ya your so right, we should have embrassed this, I mean its only NWO propaganda, promoting a one world government and a one world religion. I know all religions are false but theosophey, it has to be good for the UN to embrase it. What were we thinking.

[zeke105]

I'm just saying it's not helping any cause to push Zeitgeist as disinfo when it helped open more eyes than any other "truth video". Saying that it promotes a new one world religion presupposes that religion is necessary-it's not. Peter is ostensibly very against the institution of religion. In the end, the movie is showing humanity stripping all the cultural, racial, and religious divisions. To say that anything that brings the world together is NWO propaganda is ludicrous. Just because the Modern US and China have a capitalist economy, doesn't mean they are the same thing. Swedish socialism is not the same as USSR socialism. These are all named the same and are very different. What Peter and the Venus project suggest are not called the NWO, but are a type of world civilization. You can just automatically assume they are the same thing. I could be wrong and all this could be intentional propaganda by Peter Josepth, but that just doesn't seem to be his intent.

[EvadingGrid]

I'm just saying it's not helping any cause to push Zeitgeist as disinfo when it helped open more eyes than any other "truth video". Saying that it promotes a new one world religion presupposes that religion is necessary-it's not. Peter is ostensibly very against the institution of religion. In the end, the movie is showing humanity stripping all the cultural, racial, and religious divisions. To say that anything that brings the world together is NWO propaganda is ludicrous. Just because the Modern US and China have a capitalist economy, doesn't mean they are the same thing. Swedish socialism is not the same as USSR socialism. These are all named the same and are very different. What Peter and the Venus project suggest are not called the NWO, but are a type of world civilization. You can just automatically assume they are the same thing. I could be wrong and all this could be intentional propaganda by Peter Josepth, but that just doesn't seem to be his intent.

Your post smacks of "good intentions", however, as explained at great length the film is bad.

[zeke105]

My only point is that I don't think you are convincing your target audience, which defeats the purpose and will prove to be counterproductive.

[Dok]

I'm just saying it's not helping any cause to push Zeitgeist as disinfo when it helped open more eyes than any other "truth video". Saying that it promotes a new one world religion presupposes that religion is necessary-it's not. Peter is ostensibly very against the institution of religion. In the end, the movie is showing humanity stripping all the cultural, racial, and religious divisions. To say that anything that brings the world together is NWO propaganda is ludicrous. Just because the Modern US and China have a capitalist economy, doesn't mean they are the same thing. Swedish socialism is not the same as USSR socialism. These are all named the same and are very different. What Peter and the Venus project suggest are not called the NWO, but are a type of world civilization. You can just automatically assume they are the same thing. I could be wrong and all this could be intentional propaganda by Peter Josepth, but that just doesn't seem to be his intent.

Peter a theosophist plain and simple. This movie was used to push the Theosophical agenda, you cannot get around that. All the people in the first movie that was used to repudate christianity were theosophists, he opens his second movie with the one time world teacher, come on. You were sucked into it, never back checked any of the work and took it as gospel. Heres a little movie that might help you some. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30LqRdDB-dQ

[zeke105]

I never posted my personal perspective. I was just pointing out the futile nature of the argument.

[Conscious-Evolution]

Quote from: zeke105 on November 08, 2008, 09:33:08 AM
I'm just saying it's not helping any cause to push Zeitgeist as disinfo when it helped open more eyes than any other "truth video". Saying that it promotes a new one world religion presupposes that religion is necessary-it's not. Peter is ostensibly very against the institution of religion. In the end, the movie is showing humanity stripping all the cultural, racial, and religious divisions. To say that anything that brings the world together is NWO propaganda is ludicrous. Just because the Modern US and China have a capitalist economy, doesn't mean they are the same thing. Swedish socialism is not the same as USSR socialism. These are all named the same and are very different. What Peter and the Venus project suggest are not called the NWO, but are a type of world civilization. You can just automatically assume they are the same thing. I could be wrong and all this could be intentional propaganda by Peter Josepth, but that just doesn't seem to be his intent.



Exactly, it seems if there is a Devil, it is working through closed minded Christians who cannot think outside of a  hole in the ground, more than anyone else.  Alex said that 'this movie was dangerous for the weak minded',  yeah for him maybe.  Most weak minded cattle could not grasp this movie and would not even want to watch it!  All the hate I am seeing spread from the Christians on this forum just proves Peter's point...  OPEN YOUR MINDS... There were many beliefs and religions long before Christianity, get over it!  I believe in the teaching of Christ and every other SPIRITUAL TEACHER, who is all about love and coming together in the common good.  If love and common good are the devils plans, than the devil is a strange antagonist for God wouldn't you say?  There is no way this movie is NWO, in fact I would not be surprised if NWO claims this movie just to get people away from it!  If every good idea and strategy that involves idealism is a Socialist NWO conspiracy than we have already LOST!
    Remember for those who say the Venus protest is a pie in the ski idea that can never be achieved.  OUR FORE-FATHERS WENT THROUGH THE VERY SAME THING WITH DEMOCRACY.... and I would not be surprised to learn that many Christians in both England and the Colonies called what the forefathers were doing 'THE DEVILS WORK'.  In fact the greatest evil the Devil could possibly do is convince everyone to see him in everything, that would really make the devil all powerful wouldn't it?
     Fact is that Peter Joseph has gone far beyond anything Alex Jones could accomplish in the name of freedom.  Peter Josephs documentaries were more mentally stimulating and entertaining while providing real solutions that can truly overcome the NWO instead of just reverting back to some other form of less controlled tyranny. 
Peter was right, the only true change is a conscious one, is we cannot understand this we are doomed to repeat history...

[Dok]

Fact is that Peter Joseph has gone far beyond anything Alex Jones could accomplish in the name of freedom.  Peter Josephs documentaries were more mentally stimulating and entertaining while providing real solutions that can truly overcome the NWO instead of just reverting back to some other form of less controlled tyranny. 
Peter was right, the only true change is a conscious one, is we cannot understand this we are doomed to repeat history...

What real answers did he provide? Follow the religion of the UN? Fall into a communist dictator ship like in Animal Farm? Or fall prey to a technocratic system as in Logans Run? Or perhaps a blending of all three, something like the NWO. Yes and you follow the "SPIRITUAL TEACHER'S", funny that the christ consiousness fled from Jiddu, right before he reached the shores of America, wonder wjy that happened. I mea he was so knowledgable in Europe, spoke many languages, and he gets to America and *poof* gone, just like that. There wasnt even anything left. 

[Rock]

It's sad to see so much time wasted dividing people because of their differing views on this film.

That is what the film does.  It divides people who see it for what it is and from those who worship its ideas.

NWO is a divide and concur program.


Rock

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

its all very well saying the zeitgeist movies have helped "wake" people, but if it also sets them up to fall for the biggest con known to man, then i think it is vitally important that we expose this fact, and we have to convince the truthers (you and me - those of us on this forum), that technology protecting and providing for society, might not be such a good idea, and that the only ideas relating to society that have ever had any real glimpses of working, are charity, individual responsibility, mutual consent/voluntary contracts, and private property. it is through these principles that we can arrive at the very logical conclusion, that what is best for "society", is served through the individual, the object, rather than by some abstraction.

[Freeski]

its all very well saying the zeitgeist movies have helped "wake" people, but if it also sets them up to fall for the biggest con known to man, then i think it is vitally important that we expose this fact, and we have to convince the truthers (you and me - those of us on this forum), that technology protecting and providing for society, might not be such a good idea, and that the only ideas relating to society that have ever had any real glimpses of working, are charity, individual responsibility, mutual consent/voluntary contracts, and private property. it is through these principles that we can arrive at the very logical conclusion, that what is best for "society", is served through the individual, the object, rather than by some abstraction.

Read that a million times and let it sink in forever.

[Conscious-Evolution]

I am amazed at how many people on this forum do not think!  Do any of you even realize that Russia never had Communism or Socialism?  It was actually a brand of Totalitarianism, you can call an apple by any other name, but it is still an apple.  Stalin called himself a Communist for propaganda!  The truth is I have rarely seen a true form of Socialism or Communism in the world today!  Using technology and a loving connected reality that is in tuned with the harmony of the universe is not a bad idea, no matter what anyone says.  Will the NWO abuse it if they get a hold of it?  Of course, what would they not use for their purposes?  You think the NWO does not use Religion?  HA, Religion and Money have provided the NWO with more power and control than any other systems...  But just because the NWO get their hands on good intentions does not mean we should throw the baby out with the bath water.   LET THAT SINK IN...AGAIN AND AGAIN...
 
Any opinions?

[aLLyOuRbAsE]

I am amazed at how many people on this forum do not think!  Do any of you even realize that Russia never had Communism or Socialism?  It was actually a brand of Totalitarianism, you can call an apple by any other name, but it is still an apple.  Stalin called himself a Communist for propaganda!  The truth is I have rarely seen a true form of Socialism or Communism in the world today!  Using technology and a loving connected reality that is in tuned with the harmony of the universe is not a bad idea, no matter what anyone says.  Will the NWO abuse it if they get a hold of it?  Of course, what would they not use for their purposes?  You think the NWO does not use Religion?  HA, Religion and Money have provided the NWO with more power and control than any other systems...  But just because the NWO get their hands on good intentions does not mean we should throw the baby out with the bath water.   LET THAT SINK IN...AGAIN AND AGAIN...
 
Any opinions?

if this was at all in response to my post, i did not mention communism or socialism.

[Amd304912]

I am amazed at how many people on this forum do not think!  Do any of you even realize that Russia never had Communism or Socialism?  It was actually a brand of Totalitarianism, you can call an apple by any other name, but it is still an apple.  Stalin called himself a Communist for propaganda!  The truth is I have rarely seen a true form of Socialism or Communism in the world today!  Using technology and a loving connected reality that is in tuned with the harmony of the universe is not a bad idea, no matter what anyone says.  Will the NWO abuse it if they get a hold of it?  Of course, what would they not use for their purposes?  You think the NWO does not use Religion?  HA, Religion and Money have provided the NWO with more power and control than any other systems...  But just because the NWO get their hands on good intentions does not mean we should throw the baby out with the bath water.   LET THAT SINK IN...AGAIN AND AGAIN...
 
Any opinions?

i call it the Capriconian Con, some might say its arien into taurian but then jackasses would label it antinazi nazi nazi. (people who think its the age of aquarius but dont have any idea of dual history) .. back to my point, the reason why the religious aspect is scrutinized so much is its face value of zero. people are right saying its propaganda because of all the tidbits here and there that dont add properly at all. it mocks their particular faith with bias, using flawed astrological theory.

"but its the age of aquarius, new age thought surpasses the old"

the die hard believers in the zeitgeist farce are using copernican theory (sun rotates the earth), by that i mean they think by the evidence set forth in zeitgeist that the procession is equal to "the entire universe but earth" flips and opposes its processes..

basic way to explain it is its stupid logic. its also why most people link in with the planet x farce, its just a distraction from truth.

how else could they make a clock go backward?

[Kilgore Trout]

So if it's not Christian , it's bad , that right?

Is all esoteric knowledge evil then ?

[pgilmo]

PJ: "There is no enforcement, it is based on the understandings and education of what this planet is, who you actually are. That is why I go after religion. Because religion is the biggest, most offensive element...systematic institution that there is. You cannot have a whole group of people believing in something that stops their intellectual growth. Does that mean they need to be eradicated? Of course not...THEY NEED TO BE RE-EDUCATED."

Sane, once again you misquoted PJ. He said, "they need to be educated".

Was it accidental, an intentional misrepresentation or are you hearing things that aren't there?

[Amd304912]

Sane, once again you misquoted PJ. He said, "they need to be educated".

Was it accidental, an intentional misrepresentation or are you hearing things that aren't there?

lol

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=2030066&mesg_id=2039905

pun on lol

[lord edward coke]

For the record:

This was one of the BEST shows Alex has done.  And he has done a lot of EXCELLENT shows.

When peter was trying to condescend and come over the top of Alex.........Alex was right back at him immediately calling him out. I was listening on mypod at about 2am going through a big city and howling in relish to see that Alex was not being duped in the slightest and gave no ground to the peter.

The best to be offered to the za believers is for them to read the animal farm.

and realize this:    If men can subtly organize themselves to subvert the best government ever produced by man. (the constitution)  What chance does your pie- in -the- sky Utopian socialism have 

It would be extraordinarily naïve to even consider the possibility that a family as ambitious, as cunning and as monopolistically minded as the Rothschilds could resist the temptation of becoming heavily involved on the American front.

Following their conquest of Europe early in the 1800s, the Rothschilds cast their covetous eyes on the most precious gem of them all - the United States.

America was unique in modern history. It was only the second nation in history that had ever been formed with the Bible as its law book.

 

[The United States was not formed with the Bible as its law book. It was founded by Masonic deists. Only low rank Masons respect the Bible and consider it their law book; the Founders were high rank Masons, and many professed their lack of respect for the Bible. The writer probably means that the Colonies were formed with the Bible as their law book, and this is basically true. -Ed.]

 

Its uniquely magnificent Constitution was specifically designed to limit the power of government and to keep its citizens free and prosperous. Its citizens were basically industrious immigrants who 'yearned to breath free' and who asked nothing more than to be given the opportunity to live and work in such a wonderfully stimulating environment.

The results - the 'fruit' - of such a unique experiment were so indescribably brilliant that America became a legend around the globe. Many millions across the far flung continents of the world viewed America the Beautiful as the promised land.

The Big Bankers in Europe - the Rothschilds and their cohorts - viewed the wonderful results borne by this unique experiment from an entirely different perspective; they looked upon it as a major threat to their future plans. The establishment Times of London stated:

"If that mischievous financial policy which had its origin in the North American Republic [i.e. honest Constitutionally authorized no debt money] should become indurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without a debt [to the international bankers]. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."

The Rothschilds and their friends sent in their financial termites to destroy America because it was becoming "prosperous beyond precedent."

The first documentable evidence of Rothschild involvement in the financial affairs of the United States came in the late 1820s and early 1830s when the family, through their agent Nicholas Biddie, fought to defeat Andrew Jackson's move to curtail the international bankers. The Rothschilds lost the first round when in 1832, President Jackson vetoed the move to renew the charter of the 'Bank of the United States' (a central bank controlled by the international bankers).

 

In 1836 the bank went out of business.
 

 


PLAN OF DESTRUCTION

In the years following Independence, a close business relationship had developed between the cotton growing aristocracy in the South and the cotton manufacturers in England. The European bankers decided that this business connection was America's Achilles Heel, the door through which the young American Republic could be successfully attacked and overcome.

The Illustrated University History, 1878, p. 504, tells us that the southern states swarmed with British agents. These conspired with local politicians to work against the best interests of the United States. Their carefully sown and nurtured propaganda developed into open rebellion and resulted in the secession of South Carolina on December 29, 1860. Within weeks another six states joined the conspiracy against the Union, and broke away to form the Confederate States of America, with Jefferson Davis as President.

The plotters raided armies, seized forts, arsenals, mints and other Union property. Even members of President Buchanan's Cabinet conspired to destroy the Union by damaging the public credit and working to bankrupt the nation. Buchanan claimed to deplore secession but took no steps to check it, even when a U.S. ship was fired upon by South Carolina shore batteries.

Shortly thereafter Abraham Lincoln became President, being inaugurated on March 4, 1861. Lincoln immediately ordered a blockade on Southern ports, to cut off supplies that were pouring in from Europe. The 'official' date for the start of the Civil War is given as April 12, 1861, when Fort Sumter in South Carolina was bombarded by the Confederates, but it obviously began at a much earlier date.

In December, 1861, large numbers of European Troops (British, French and Spanish) poured into Mexico in defiance of the Monroe Doctrine. This, together with widespread European aid to the Confederacy strongly indicated that the Crown was preparing to enter the war. The outlook for the North, and the future of the Union, was bleak indeed.

In this hour of extreme crisis, Lincoln appealed to the Crown's perennial enemy, Russia, for assistance. When the envelope containing Lincoln's urgent appeal was given to Czar Nicholas II, he weighed it unopened in his hand and stated:

"Before we open this paper or know its contents, we grant any request it may contain."

Unannounced, a Russian fleet under Admiral Liviski, steamed into New York harbor on September 24, 1863, and anchored there. The Russian Pacific fleet, under Admiral Popov, arrived in San Francisco on October 12. Of this Russian act, Gideon Wells said:

"They arrived at the high tide of the Confederacy and the low tide of the North, causing England and France to hesitate long enough to turn the tide for the North"

(Empire of "The City," p. 90).

History reveals that the Rothschilds were heavily involved in financing both sides in the Civil War. Lincoln put a damper on their activities when, in 1862 and 1863, he refused to pay the exorbitant rates of interest demanded by the Rothschilds and issued constitutionally-authorized, interest free United States notes. For this and other acts of patriotism Lincoln was shot down in cold-blood by John Wilkes Booth on April 14, 1865, just five days after Lee surrendered to Grant at Appomattox Court House, Virginia.

Booth's grand-daughter, Izola Forrester, states in This One Mad Act that Lincoln's assassin had been in close contact with mysterious Europeans prior to the slaying, and had made at least one trip to Europe. Following the killing, Booth was whisked away to safety by members of the Knights of the Golden Circle.

 

According to the author, Booth lived for many years following his disappearance.

 

[shirteesdotnet]

http://zeitgeist.msnbc.msn.com/

I just came across this when I saw an article titled "Worlds Best Bottom". I wonder why MSNBC named their video clip segment "Zeitgeist"? Is it to get into the Google rankings and disrupt people from finding / viewing Zeitgeist movie stuff?

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/081117/a_zeitgeist_buns_081117.standard.jpg

* Watching said segment now waka waka!

[Lucian Solaris]

well Zeitgeist is utter pro Utopian/NWO agenda brainwash crap.  I think MSNBC characterized it quite nicely.

http://zeitgeist.msnbc.msn.com/

I just came across this when I saw an article titled "Worlds Best Bottom". I wonder why MSNBC named their video clip segment "Zeitgeist"? Is it to get into the Google rankings and disrupt people from finding / viewing Zeitgeist movie stuff?

http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/081117/a_zeitgeist_buns_081117.standard.jpg

[shirteesdotnet]

Agreed, but if you check out the first 1/3 of Zeitgeist Addendum it lays out the money scheme very well.

well Zeitgeist is utter pro Utopian/NWO agenda brainwash crap.  I think MSNBC characterized it quite nicely.

[TheCaliKid]

Agreed, but if you check out the first 1/3 of Zeitgeist Addendum it lays out the money scheme very well.

But that's the whole point of it - truth mixed with lies is a most dangerous formula.

[GlobalCordon]

Zeitshite is total NWO crap if you ask me.......

[Bozer]

That was the time period that the European bankers re-took the US - and when Great Britain won the Revolutionary War through incrementalism and the creation of the Corporation called THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, with the PRESIDENT at it's head.  This corporation then eventually pushed and created the Fed reserve system and the IRS.

As far as the posts regarding the religious points of ZG Addendum - Freedom of religion works both ways - devout CHristians are entitled to their belief, and I'm entitled to not embrace that belief system.  I do not discount the worth while points of view or information espoused by hardline Christians, or anyone for that matter.  Nor should we discount out of hand the presentation of good info by someone who openly is critical of Christianity and its origins and questions the validity of literal interpretation of the Bible.

Good information is good information regardless of the source - you just need to use your own powers of discernment to identify it as such.

Do we scrap the Bible completely because it was written and re-written by some of the originators of the NWO and used by them as a tool of control?  Do we scrap the Consitution that guarantees our freedom to worship or not to worship, because it was written by Freemsons?

Throughout this whole exchange I've seen nothing but incredible feats of doublethink.  I encourage everyone to exercise their rights of religion and the rights in the lack there-of, but more importantly I encourage everyone to use some logic and discernment in arriving at the truth, regardless of the source.  But look at it all.  You can't enjoy freedom of speech without protecting those same rights of the person who directly opposes you.  And you can't enjoy and exercise freedom of religion without allowing others to do the same - be free to question and explore belief systems, and of all things, not have one.

AJ is the Morpheus of our age.  He woke us up.  He showed us the truth.  But when he got on the air once last week and said he ran a secular show, I laughed out loud.  I didn't shut him off - he was on the air telling the truth about the New World Order. 

[adissenter2]

very interesting

Unabomber Manifesto
http://prernalal.com/banned%20books/Unabomber.Manifesto_Washington.Post.txt

[lord edward coke]

That was the time period that the European bankers re-took the US - and when Great Britain won the Revolutionary War through incrementalism and the creation of the Corporation called THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, with the PRESIDENT at it's head.  This corporation then eventually pushed and created the Fed reserve system and the IRS.

As far as the posts regarding the religious points of ZG Addendum - Freedom of religion works both ways - devout CHristians are entitled to their belief, and I'm entitled to not embrace that belief system.  I do not discount the worth while points of view or information espoused by hardline Christians, or anyone for that matter.  Nor should we discount out of hand the presentation of good info by someone who openly is critical of Christianity and its origins and questions the validity of literal interpretation of the Bible.

Good information is good information regardless of the source - you just need to use your own powers of discernment to identify it as such.

Do we scrap the Bible completely because it was written and re-written by some of the originators of the NWO and used by them as a tool of control?  Do we scrap the Consitution that guarantees our freedom to worship or not to worship, because it was written by Freemsons?

Throughout this whole exchange I've seen nothing but incredible feats of doublethink.  I encourage everyone to exercise their rights of religion and the rights in the lack there-of, but more importantly I encourage everyone to use some logic and discernment in arriving at the truth, regardless of the source.  But look at it all.  You can't enjoy freedom of speech without protecting those same rights of the person who directly opposes you.  And you can't enjoy and exercise freedom of religion without allowing others to do the same - be free to question and explore belief systems, and of all things, not have one.

AJ is the Morpheus of our age.  He woke us up.  He showed us the truth.  But when he got on the air once last week and said he ran a secular show, I laughed out loud.  I didn't shut him off - he was on the air telling the truth about the New World Order. 

Right!!!   You are entitled to go along with the nwo plan of socialism for the Masses and power for the ruling elite.

I am entitled to disagree with these already debunked deadend ideas, that destroy our nation and strip hard won freedoms. You crap on the MEN who gave there blood and died for the freedom cause when you ignorantly endorse this za lie.

further you spread disinfo by trying to say the bible has been rewritten- we know the interpretations that are false and we have the dead see scrolls as proof of the awesome accuracy of the bible.

So as much as you would like to spread your brand of manure around here...........the only ones buying into it are the ignorant/uneducated. 

But I call bs on your bible slurr/ your usa destroying slur.          http://www.usavsus.info/

[ironPlasma]

After considering all the possible angles on the subject of zeitgeist maker vs alex interview, i think i've finally come to some solid conlusions:

1- Zeitgeist man has fallen unto the net of nwo occultist beliefs, and has begun to spread them. I don't know if he knows that or not, but that's just the sad truth. He seems to understand some things about the world that are hard to miss if you really do your homework, but he's only using pre-existing solutions that have been proposed by the nwo-type social engineers.

2- Alex is too explosive and piercing sometimes. As a matter of fact, the last few days i've been playing the alex jones show on my kitchen in order to allow others in the house to hear it, and my mom cannot listen to him, she literally gets upset and her mind gets blocked because of alex jone's tone of voice. Unfortunately, my mother has been raised into a soft, yet authoritorian mind control speech cacoon; and she cannot handle being exposed to shocker type tones such as alex's.

3- David Icke, Michael Tsarion and Jordan Maxwell, seem to sound a lot like the NWO sometimes but only because they are not christians, and in their studies they have found some truth in the powers that the NWO individuals use in order to influence others. So they consider some of the NWO power ideology, which could also be considered magic or occultist witchcraft, to be just a simple aspect of reality which the elites have been exploiting for their own selfish purposes. And they (especially David icke) believe that if we understood some of those principles, such as the ones dealing with self-empowerment, humans would have an easier time going against the status quo which serves to oppress us. In other words, it would increase our choice making power.

In the end, i think people need to understand that the universe, the world, is not all about what you can see... there is definitely unexplained phenomenon which some of us have experienced personally. And it is very possible that many religions have already been hijacked or used as psychological disarmament tools. Thus, the best way to protect yourself and to be effective is to not be fanatical about any particular concept, and instead make decisions as you see fit without violating other people's right to free thought and speech. In time dialog and experience will increase our understanding of eachother's beliefs. There is a chance that many of the religions have aspects that are true and others that are less sturdy. Lets just focus on saving the people in this world first, and decreasing suffering and war. Once we die, we'll know the truth. And if you have read about near death experiences and out of body experiences and things of that nature, you will know that whether you're a christian or not will not change the basic nature of what will happen after you die.

[Elvis]

DJ Ball:
"...i don't share the same religious beliefs (.........although i am starting to wonder...)"

Check out this site -

http://worldslastchance.com/

Have a Great Thanksgiving!

[Lev_Nougol]

It seems many have not realized, but Zeitgeist Inc. denounce the concept of a 'Utopian Society'.
How could this have (so easily) gone overlooked?


~Lev

[White Rose Sophie]

But that's the whole point of it - truth mixed with lies is a most dangerous formula.

Rat poison is 97 % harmless corn meal.  It's always the 3 % that destroys you.

[squarepusher]

It seems many have not realized, but Zeitgeist Inc. denounce the concept of a 'Utopian Society'.
How could this have (so easily) gone overlooked?


~Lev

You can dress it up all you want, at the end if it talks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Utopia by the way means 'no place', meaning it can't possibly exist as a place/country. (Some examples of that would be virtual-reality constructs like Second Life or World of Warcraft) That sums up the Venus Project pretty well.

[Dig]

It seems many have not realized, but Zeitgeist Inc. denounce the concept of a 'Utopian Society'.
How could this have (so easily) gone overlooked?


~Lev

How could it have so easily gone overlooked?

Maybe because 99% of the fricking addendum is an advertisement for the Satanic Cult of the Venus Project Gnomes.

Guess we are the dumb ones to think that a 2 hour advertisement for an invitation to Carousel has something to do with a Satanic NWO utopia.

Silly us and our crazy thoughts.

How absurd of us to see so clearly the overt agenda pervasive throughout the Rothschild/Rockefeller propaganda piece.

Welcome to Logan's Run...



Renew, renew, renew....

[Amd304912]

How could it have so easily gone overlooked?

Maybe because 99% of the fricking addendum is an advertisement for the Satanic Cult of the Venus Project Gnomes.

Guess we are the dumb ones to think that a 2 hour advertisement for an invitation to Carousel has something to do with a Satanic NWO utopia.

Silly us and our crazy thoughts.

How absurd of us to see so clearly the overt agenda pervasive throughout the Rothschild/Rockefeller propaganda piece.

so true, i cant understant the opposition i found here on Prison Planet Forum in support of it!

[Dig]

BTW...

GE/MSNBC has some dork named Willie Geist who runs a segment each day on Morning Joe called "Zeitgeist"

It is just a play on his last name and they have been doing it for over 6 months now.

More about Morning Joe here:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=2874.0

[Lev_Nougol]

Right!!!   You are entitled to go along with the nwo plan of socialism for the Masses and power for the ruling elite.

I am entitled to disagree with these already debunked deadend ideas, that destroy our nation and strip hard won freedoms. You crap on the MEN who gave there blood and died for the freedom cause when you ignorantly endorse this za lie.

further you spread disinfo by trying to say the bible has been rewritten- we know the interpretations that are false and we have the dead see scrolls as proof of the awesome accuracy of the bible.

So as much as you would like to spread your brand of manure around here...........the only ones buying into it are the ignorant/uneducated. 

But I call bs on your bible slurr/ your usa destroying slur.          http://www.usavsus.info/

Wow, look at that national separatist 'patriotism'.

Sure, blame everyone else for the destruction of the brotherhood of man.
It feels good, doesn't it, accusing others of the exact same (dare I say it) SIN of which you are guilty.

I am entitled, as are any and all, to refute your presumptuous statement of NWO and socialism.
We are free to recognize the overzealous manner in which you eagerly attack your fellow man.
We are free to refute, to recognize, but shall we condemn as you would condemn?

Allow man to judge man, and surely he will condemn himself.

Shall we condemn ourselves due to your own folly?
No, I should think not.

As daring as it may be, I think re-education is in order.
Nor forcefully, no.
Instead, recognize the misunderstanding, your misunderstanding, on your own.
It is up to you, no other, to study and discern what is true.

Not based on the predisposition instilled upon you by the societal program, but by breaking away from all that you think you know, and delving in deeper than you've imagined, to find out what is really true.

It is my humble diagnosis that you are too eager to believe in something, that you would latch onto anything that compliments your thought knowing.
Why so tense?
Relax.

There was once a Jesuit Priest, also a spiritual philosopher, named Anthony De Mello (R.I.P) that suggested and supported the idea that 'God' would be more pleased in our humanity toward one another than our worship, or even belief, of 'Him'.
That it would be far more pleasing that we appreciate the lives 'He' gave us by actually living them, rather than obsessing on that which may (or may not) come after.

Brotherhood of man.
This is a phrase you might consider, all of you.

That said, I would never ask that you agree nor disagree, only that you would consider.
If we, as humanity, cannot consider the angle, the thoughts, the plight of our fellow man, who can?
It starts with one...you.


~Lev

[lord edward coke]

Wow, look at that national separatist 'patriotism'.

Sure, blame everyone else for the destruction of the brotherhood of man.
It feels good, doesn't it, accusing others of the exact same (dare I say it) SIN of which you are guilty.

I am entitled, as are any and all, to refute your presumptuous statement of NWO and socialism.
We are free to recognize the overzealous manner in which you eagerly attack your fellow man.
We are free to refute, to recognize, but shall we condemn as you would condemn?

Allow man to judge man, and surely he will condemn himself.

Shall we condemn ourselves due to your own folly?
No, I should think not.

As daring as it may be, I think re-education is in order.
Nor forcefully, no.
Instead, recognize the misunderstanding, your misunderstanding, on your own.
It is up to you, no other, to study and discern what is true.

Not based on the predisposition instilled upon you by the societal program, but by breaking away from all that you think you know, and delving in deeper than you've imagined, to find out what is really true.

It is my humble diagnosis that you are too eager to believe in something, that you would latch onto anything that compliments your thought knowing.
Why so tense?
Relax.

There was once a Jesuit Priest, also a spiritual philosopher, named Anthony De Mello (R.I.P) that suggested and supported the idea that 'God' would be more pleased in our humanity toward one another than our worship, or even belief, of 'Him'.
That it would be far more pleasing that we appreciate the lives 'He' gave us by actually living them, rather than obsessing on that which may (or may not) come after.

Brotherhood of man.
This is a phrase you might consider, all of you.

That said, I would never ask that you agree nor disagree, only that you would consider.
If we, as humanity, cannot consider the angle, the thoughts, the plight of our fellow man, who can?
It starts with one...you.


~Lev

You run to a jesuit preist for intelligence?   

[Dig]

Sane, once again you misquoted PJ. He said, "they need to be educated".

Was it accidental, an intentional misrepresentation or are you hearing things that aren't there?

Time for Education...