Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[Boubear]

Therefore it must really get on your tits that the hole world seem to be embracing its ideas.

Well just because the sheep thinks it's a good ideal, doesn't mean we are just going to follow blindly. 

[EvadingGrid]

Touch a nerve did I.
The truth hurts!
You keep paddling about in that big river in Egypt m8 your very good at it.

Your an idiot.

Try reading books before posting in this forum or the good doktor will humiliate you in public.

[EvadingGrid]

Well just because the sheep thinks it's a good ideal, doesn't mean we are just going to follow blindly. 

Words of wisdom from some one who will not take the mark of the beast.

[Novus Ordo]

Your an idiot.
Try reading books before posting in this forum or the good doktor will humiliate you in public.

Lol
I’m far too old a cat to be f~**ed by kittens like you sunshine.

“ humiliate you in public”

Call this the public?

LMAO

[EvadingGrid]

Lol
I’m far too old a cat to be f~**ed by kittens like you sunshine.

“ humiliate you in public”

Call this the public?

LMAO

Kitten ?

LOL

I'm a mean old tom cat.....
I shat in Fat Freddies headphones when you was in nursery skool         

[Dok]

Lol
I’m far too old a cat to be f~**ed by kittens like you sunshine.

“ humiliate you in public”

Call this the public?

LMAO

But you apparently can be suckered in by a failed world teacher, a clock work oarnge brain storm and a whole mess of theosophical UN madated religious beliefs. Yes you discerned the truth so well. Monkey see Monkey do.

[Amd304912]

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=67488.0

no comment on mindf**k addendum..

keep up the fight people, utopians have prepared since hitlers scared the shit out of the nwo.

[EvadingGrid]

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=67488.0

no comment on mindf**k addendum..

keep up the fight people, utopians have prepared since hitlers scared the shit out of the nwo.

Well said.

[37]

Therefore it must really get on your tits that the hole world seem to be embracing its ideas.

Just verifies my personal belief that the rest of the world is a bunch of idiots.  Next they'll be channeling ascended masters. 
Zeitgeist Addendum is Theosophy. 

"'Darkness' radiates light, and light drops one solitary ray into the waters, into the mother deep.  The ray shoots through the virgin egg; the ray causes the eternal egg to thrill and drop the non-eternal germ...
(Opening Sequence Zeitgeist Addendum)


Which condenses into the world egg." -H.P. Blavatsky The Secret Doctrine
(Closing Image Zeitgeist Addendum)


The movie also features an organization called the Venus Project.  Theosophists love to put Lucifer's name in their work.  Blavatsky's Magazine was titled Lucifer.  Bailey's Press was named Lucifer.  In the Secret Doctrine Blavatsky also wrote...

"The Devil is now called Darkness by the Church, whereas in the Bible he is called the "Son of God", the bright star of the early morning, Lucifer."

The bright star of the early morning is Venus...the Venus Project.  In many of her channeled writings Bailey details a world with one government and no money.

How much more Theosophical can this movie be?  It has their "vessel for the world teacher" in it...I think Peter Joseph is the one laughing.

Theosophists don't believe in just one god, they prey to an entire "hierarchy" of invisible men. 

Why are some atheists so ignorant?  Oh yeah, because they don't bother to read.  They don't know that those guys on tv every sunday aren't preaching what's written in the Bible.  They should do themselves a favor and go read Matt, Luke and John.  The world Jesus describes sounds better than the ridiculous Penus Project.

[Novus Ordo]

[Dok]

Please illuminate all of us just what that has to do with your theosphical beliefs and zetgeist addendum? Or do you need to channel one of your spiritguides/heirarchey/alien brothers to answer for you.

[Novus Ordo]

You represent the past not the future.

[Dok]

Really, your beliefs go all the way back to Babylon, Theosophey is nothing new. Talk about brainwashing. Just how many times did you watch the clock work Orange opening? Time fo renewal.

[Boubear]

You represent the past not the future.

You can have the future that is coming!! You want satan/lucifer you're going to get him.  To bad he won't be like what you dream about!!

[EvadingGrid]

Really, your beliefs go all the way back to Babylon, Theosophey is nothing new. Talk about brainwashing. Just how many times did you watch the clock work Orange opening? Time fo renewal.

Actualy I think that Zietgiest can be traced back to Hermes Trismegistus, but Babylon is probably a more informative answer.

[37]

It's so funny to watch the new cult attack the old cult.  Atheists act just like christians.  "I'm right you're wrong..."  You sound just like a christian talking to a native American in say 1650.  "Ahh, silly man, believing in your many gods, there is only one God.  Let me show you how ridiculous you are..."

Same shit except now it's "Silly man, believing in God...there is no God.  Let me show you how ridiculous you are..."

It's funny every time I see it.  Atheists have just as much proof as Christians as to the validity of their beliefs.  Which is zero, but they fail to recognize that and end up just being a new version of the same old shit. 

Ridiculing others for their beliefs is childish and stupid. 

A civilized adult doesn't taunt his fellow man...that's the work of a self righteous asshole.

congratulations...here's a big picture back at you.

[Novus Ordo]

It is the way forward it is the right idea, that’s why the masses on mass are embracing it all over the world, because they just like the idea.
The masses aren’t all hung up on the details or labelling, they leave that to the small insignificant few who find themselves to be most threatened by it.

[EvadingGrid]

No comment on Hermes Trismegistus ?

[37]

It is the way forward it is the right idea, that’s why the masses on mass are embracing it all over the world, because they just like the idea.
The masses aren’t all hung up on the details or labelling, they leave that to the small insignificant few who find themselves to be most threatened by it.

Embracing "The Plan" as Bailey called it. 
Beautiful. 
Go forward with the plan that Bailey channeled from her spirit guide...ignore the details.

Want to know what the culmination of the plan is?  It's at the end of Addendum...

[EvadingGrid]

It is the way forward it is the right idea, that’s why the masses on mass are embracing it all over the world, because they just like the idea.
The masses aren’t all hung up on the details or labelling, they leave that to the small insignificant few who find themselves to be most threatened by it.

I would dare to suggest that "Satanic" is behond trivial details or labeling.

[Novus Ordo]

How old are the oldest found scrolls about Lucifer/the fallen angel/the bringer of light?(which are all rubbish from a religious point of view btw)
Perhaps Its not about worship eh, perhaps it’s about keeping a lid on things ie what a sham your religion is may be?
Constantine and his buddies didn’t like the fact that we used to put you girls on a pedestal! (Bou') So he helped big up Christianity to put you in your place! Not very nice is it?
You girls used to call the shots before all the modern day religions came into play!
Now you could argue in so many ways that you’ve got that power back now and tbh
I would have to concede you have, but theirs still a lot of fundamental stuff out there,
Changing your Sir name when you get married ’love honour and OBEY!
Have you any Idea how much Muslim women have to bring into a marriage?
In the same respect a lot of more ancient religions saw you as a valued commodity
If you want to marry my daughter it will cost you many camel’s/pigs.

Ho and before you start on the Sun worship Paganism route that’s all rubbish as well.

Religion is what it is, an old necessity that’s no longer required and your part of its devolution.

Maybe we do need to get to 500 million population before humans can begin to evolve at an exponential rate, may be that’s the smack on the arse we all need.
If you are to believe the desires of a small bunch of self flagellating fascists is the way to go.
This is the beginning of the end for religion and if the big war/famine/Armageddon comes, as we wonder through that dark tunnel of possible futures not a jot a hint a sniff of any of your gods we will see.
When the few step into the sun light on the other side that will be the end of the end of religions and their fundamental belief in them.

But you know what’s really going to happen? Nothing! Humanity will just plod along like its always done.

If I’m defending anything It’s the Idea that humans could live together without money.
But its along long way away and your conditioning cant allow you to even cope with the idea of it.

[37]

Wow, excellent rationalization for the murder of 6 billion +. 

The ends justifies the means.  See, you have already bought into what they believe.

You are telling us religion is dead while simultaneously spewing new age rhetoric. 

Incredible.

But, the "religious" are the fools...

Too funny. 

[Dig]

Therefore it must really get on your tits that the hole world seem to be embracing its ideas.

Yes the "hole" world is embracing it.

However 99% have exposed it as total NWO BS.

to bad, so sad.  the cat is waaaaaaay out of the bag on this one.


Zeitgeist is an NWO plan just like the Planet in Peril plan.

Hijack real issues to serve NWO elites.

[Novus Ordo]

Wow, excellent rationalization for the murder of 6 billion +. 

The ends justifies the means.  See, you have already bought into what they believe.

You are telling us religion is dead while simultaneously spewing new age rhetoric. 

Incredible.

But, the "religious" are the fools...

Too funny. 

I think you’ll find its you lot that want the nasty stuff to come about.

I’m hoping It’s none religious people that hold sway over the world or at the very least
It’s evolving that way .

But you all carry on trying to put word in my mouth if it makes you feel better.

[Novus Ordo]

Yes the "hole" world is embracing it.

However 99% have exposed it as total NWO BS.

to bad, so sad.  the cat is waaaaaaay out of the bag on this one.


Zeitgeist is an NWO plan just like the Planet in Peril plan.

Hijack real issues to serve NWO elites.

I think your giving the masses too much credit Sane,
I think they watch it, think ‘cool’ then carry on with the 'X-box'.

[Boubear]

I think you’ll find its you lot that want the nasty stuff to come about.

I’m hoping It’s none religious people that hold sway over the world or at the very least
It’s evolving that way .

But you all carry on trying to put word in my mouth if it makes you feel better.

One deluded mind after another.  Your advocating the slavery of mankind.  But yeah, it's all for the benefit of mankind right?  Wrong!! You'll find out soon enough, who they will allow into this utopia, and it won't be you, unless of course you're a good little slave!!

[Dig]

I think your giving the masses too much credit Sane,
I think they watch it, think ‘cool’ then carry on with the 'X-box'.

take the two videos and make a non-disinfo one.

ZA represents a plan to get rid of US sovereignty, have everyone reeducation and conditioned, deny freedom of religion, depopulate the world, enact resource management taxation, and turn everyone into a collective borg.

read the esoteric society, blavatsky, Stong, ROckefeller, ROthschild, Pike, Baily, and others. same agenda different special effects.

[Dig]

Touch a nerve did I.
The truth hurts!
You keep paddling about in that big river in Egypt m8 your very good at it.

Please explain what you think is accurate about this total propaganda piece that wwill end sovereign country, land, money, defence, religion, and family?

[Dig]

Have fun at carousel.

Will  you guys be sacrificing any goats to the morning star?

Will there be an initiation involving crucifiction and resurrection?

Will everyone be wearing their Prada Z-Cloaks?

Will Todd Rudgren be the musical guest?

(Actually the event should be a good way of finding out who is a hard core NWO closet theosophy blatasky, pike, bailey luciferian.  Just like the BS global warming Al Gore concert exposed the Rothschild/Maurice Strong/Bono bullshit)
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INITIATION

Initiation (Theosophy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiation_(Theosophy)
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Initiation is a concept in Theosophy that there are nine levels of spiritual development. According to Alice A. Bailey, Initiation is the "process of undergoing an expansion [toward higher levels of] consciousness" [1] It is believed by Theosophists that all souls that reincarnate (that includes everyone) gradually evolve upward through these levels of consciousness over millions of years, although evil acts may cause bad karma which may cause one to temporarily regress.Contents


The vast majority of ordinary humanity lies on the probationary path (below the first initiation).


First initiation ("birth" to the spiritual life)

According to Alice A. Bailey, at the first initiation one gains full control of the physical body. [2]


Second initiation ("baptism")

Alice A. Bailey states that at the second initiation, one gains full control of the astral body. [3]


Third initiation ("the transfiguration")

An individual who is at the level of the third initiation has acquired fully developed clairvoyance and clairaudience. [4]


Fourth initiation ("the crucifixion")

An individual reaching the fourth initiation is known as the perfected one, or an Arhat (Pali) or a Paramahansa (Sanskrit). Symbolically the fourth initiation is denoted as the crucifixion initiation. An Arhat is supposed to be one who does not need to be incarnated again to develop.


Fifth initiation ("the resurrection")

The fifth initiation, called the resurrection, comprises beings designated as Masters of the Wisdom or Ascended masters. According to both Alice A. Bailey and Benjamin Creme, there are a total of 52 beings at this level of initiation.


Sixth initiation ("the ascension" or "masterhood")

The Chohans (Lords) of the Seven Rays - El Morya,Master Kuthumi, Paul the Venetian, Serapis Bey, Master Hilarion, Master Jesus and the Master Rakoczi - are seven of the beings at the level of the sixth initiation, while Djwal Khul is another.


Seventh initiation ("bodhisattva" , "avatar", or "christhood")

The seventh initiation is known as the initiation of the Bodhisattava (Buddhism)or the Avatar (Hinduism). The Maitreya or World Teacher (known as Krishna by Hindus, the Christ by Christians, Maitreya by Buddhists, Messiah by the Jews, the Iman Mahdi by Muslims, and the Peshotan by the Zoroastrians) is at this level. At this level also are said to be the Manu and the Mahachohan. [5]


Eighth initiation ("buddhahood")

Level eight is the level of the Buddha.


Ninth initiation ("godhood")

Level nine is the "Lord of the World": Sanat Kumara - the "Ancient of Days", believed by Theosophists to be the governing deity of Earth.


Tenth initiation ("planetary logos")

The tenth initiation is considered to symbolize perfection and is used to describe the Planetary Logos.


Initiation in popular culture

Music
In 1975, Todd Rundgren released an album titled Initiation which has a song called "Initiation" on side one. The title of the album is apparently based on the Theosophical concept of Initiation as taught by Alice A. Bailey and C.W. Leadbeater. The entire second side of the album is taken up by a song called "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire"; the three parts of the song are listed as: "I. The Internal Fire, or Fire by Friction; II. The Fire of Spirit, or Electric Fire; The Fire of Mind, or Solar Fire." The second parts of these three phrases are taken directly from Alice A. Bailey's book A Treatise on Cosmic Fire.

[Dig]

Zeitgeist Addendum preaches illuminati communism

Unrealistic "Venus" fantasy system of the Theosophists is the road to enslavement

Alexander Benesch
www.infokrieg.tv
October 18th 2008


With the recently released sequel "Zeitgeist Addendum" you realize that the first movie was there to soften up the audience for the long con. It preaches illuminati communism from start to finish and is a text book example of COINTELPRO activity to undermine legitimate movements.

My own great-grandfather was a German who went to Russia and bred horses there. He was put into a gulag camp after the "revolution" that supposedly happened to create a utopia where no classes exist and the state "withers away". Now Zeitgeist Addendum tells us that the military/banking industrial complex is actually free market and we must only rid our society of money, decentralized enterprise and spirituality to achieve a world of pure justice and abundance. A contradictory, wholly unrealistic phantasy system called "Venus Project" is being advertised while
critics are met not with legitimate counter arguments but with blunt accusations of intellectual shortcomings and block-headed religious faith. Now that Peter Joseph has shown his true colors by promoting the Theosophic Society, a key front group of the occult illuminati religion, through the so-called "global messiah" we know that the talk of atheism was simply a charade.

A few kilometers from where I live is the city of Ingolstadt, where the different new world order front groups played their good cop / bad cop routine before. The Vatican arm of the new world order publicly demonized science and progress while the Illuminati of Bavaria under the leadership of Adam Weishaupt approached the young educated talents and said: We're the alternative, join us and we will secretly work to eradicate christianity, the classes and create world peace.

Like any garden variety cult leader, Peter Joseph simply kept repeating his points in a hypnotist's fashion during the interview on the Alex Jones Show. Here's a news flash for those stuck in this trance: You CAN have a fair money system. Fair money is only a service to facilitate trade. If you forbid money, you forbid decentralised free trade and ownership. How do you enforce a ban of money when people would certainly try to create new currencies? One would need surveillance and punishments. But Peter Joseph would deny that and say over and over that this could be done peacefully through a "change of consciousness". Only when Alex pressed him did he slip up and and mention "reconditioning", "reeducation", which are of course euphemisms for communist
brainwashing. The people cannot effectively trade without money, so without money there would emerge either a primitive economy where only goods are exchanged or a central government with a planned economy.

The so-called third alternative, the "resource based economy" is a fraud because it is nothing more than a fantasy. Peter Joseph tried hard to avoid answering the question of who would make the decisions and how they would be enforced. He would have had to admit that any attempt to create this new system would totally contradict his slogan of abolishing classes and competition.

He also wants to take peoples right to own guns. Another example of those gurus talking down to us like to a bunch of children. These people and their new age leftwing gullible followers want to simply remove guns from the population. How could you remove something from the population that can be built with moderate skills in somebodys workshop with few tools and materials? Only with total surveillance and control. But then you have a police state.

Peter Joseph and the other cranks also promise to eradicate scarcity. Whereas Alex constantly exposes artificial scarcity scams like peak oil and promotes individual empowerment, the new agers just deliver more empty promises that defy logic. Scarcity is relative and therefore universal. As soon as you crave something that you don't own or control, you feel there is a scarcity. Abundance is therefore relative too. Somebody might feel that what he owns could be classified as abundance, another person might regard this as not enough. Yes, we can mass produce things like washing machines, but we cannot mass produce for example certain pieces of property or certain people.

To use an example: In the movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy" we see the story of an isolated african tribe in the Kalahari Desert where some pilot one day flies overhead and drops an empty coke bottle. The tribe lives in relative scarcity, scarcity by our standards. But the tribe members regard their lives as abundance: What they need or think they need is available in quantities that suffice. There's enough wood too make spears and so on. Then the tribe starts fighting over that coke bottle, there is a never before felt sense of scarcity. They cannot create and follow a set of laws to regulate the use of this popular item so they decide to get rid of it. An isolated tribe might get away with these self-imposed limitations but human society as a whole cannot eradicate competition. There's always going to be a situation like when the British came to the area that is today Saudi-Arabia, picked the strongest tribe and said: Here's the guns and the strategy, you will be our enforcement arm.

We have accepted our natural instincts and drives and have found ways to harness them. According to the Zeitgeist crowd however, competition is pure programming and can be eradicated.
People depend on their abilities to rank, to judge, to compare and to compete. It is the source of advancement and culture. The militant pseudoegalitarianism of Zeitgeist and the Venus Project appeals to people who want to somehow escape the basic demands of life. How many of these people are losers who don't want to make the effort to excel and rather want to drag everybody else down?

The Theosophists made their move with Zeitgeist Addendum and we are making ours now. Peter Joseph doesn't want his audience to really research the science of tyranny and deception where we have literally thousands of years of recorded history. We will not be conned.

[Dig]

Project Blue Beam warnings (this was written in 1994):

"The infamous NASA [National Aeronautics and Space Administration] Blue Beam Project has four different steps in order to implement the new age religion with the Antichrist at its head. We must remember that the new age religion is the very foundation for the new world government, without which religion the dictatorship of the new world order is completely impossible. I'll repeat that: Without a universal belief in the new age religion, the success of the new world order will be impossible! That is why the Blue Beam Project is so important to them, but has been so well hidden until now."

Concerning the re-education and re-conditioning agenda (according to PJ and other NWO followers, common man is solely a product of environment, so the NWO is actively researching ways to change the past/present/future environments for re-conditioning of the human):

"The old maxim, 'divide and conquer', is being played out to the limit worldwide to ensure that everyone is frightened for their personal safety, and to be suspicious of everyone else. This, too, is mind-control. To go further in regard to the new technology which is at the base of the NASA Blue Beam Project, we have to consider this statement by psychologist James V. McConnell which was published in a 1970s issue of Psychology Today. He said, 'The day has come when we can combine sensory deprivation with drug hypnosis and astute manipulation of reward and punishment to gain almost absolute control over an individual's behavior. It should then be possible to achieve a very rapid and highly effective type of positive brainwashing that would allow us to make dramatic changes in a person's behavior and personality.'

    Now, when we talked before about that kind of ray and the telepathic and electronically augmented communication, the kind of rays that are fed from the memories of computers which store massive data about humans, human language and dialects, and we said that the people will be reached from within, making each person to believe that his own god is speaking directly from within his or her own soul, we refer to that kind of technology and that kind of thinking that same psychologist was espousing, that is: we should be trained from birth that we should all do what society wants us to do rather than what we want to do for ourselves; that because they have the technology to do it, no one should now be allowed to have their own individual personality. This statement and these ideas are important because it is the basic teaching of the United Nations that no one owns his or her own personality. And that same psychologist claims that no one has any say-so about the kind of personality they acquire and there is no reason to believe you have the right to refuse to acquire a new personality if your old personality is considered 'antisocial.'

    What is important in this declaration is that the new world order will be set up over the current system, meaning the old way of thinking and behavior and religion will be considered the 'old' and incorrect way of thinking and that they can change it at one of the eradication camps of the United Nations to make sure that anyone with this 'antisocial' behavior will be disposed of quickly so that other modified individuals will be able to fulfill the needs and agendas of the new world order without being distracted by the truth."

[Dig]

[Dig]

The Venus Project:
The concept of no money and the aquisition of goods at a grocery store

PJ: "For example, in this society, let's say that you wanted to go to the grocery store. Well guess what, you go in, you get what you need, and you leave. That's it. Why. Why would no one steal? Because there is no reason to, they can't sell it. There is no money. There is no reason for differential advantage in a position where you can't actually engage in gaining something through abuse in society. This is a core point in why money is such a horrible invention for control. Money is the ultimate divide and conquer...."

Now there can be a few interpretations to this and I do not know which is correct. 

Interpretation 1:
Let us say that he really is talking about a world where you can truly just go in a store, take everything and it will magically reappear for the next customer.  I guess that is one possibility in the future world and thus is a valid interpretation


Interpretation 2:
Another interpretation would be that people would be conditioned to only take what they need and would never ever have any desire for more than that and then the communal "family" would be able to stock what everyone needs for that week and people would just come in and take the amount they have been pre-conditioned to want. Then the next would take only what they were preconditioned to want, and so on and so forth.  The store would be supplied via RetailLink type Wal-Mart control mechanisms and time sensitive allocation systems so that the workers/robots would be pre-programed to create/supply/distribute what was required within the preset boundaries in the master social distribution program. 

I have never seen this function in a society and think the previous interpretation might be more based in reality given man's natural competitive instincts. AJ has pointed this out on numerous occasions in the interview and admits to it being a part of his innate triggers.  PJ finally admits that man is a combination of innate desires and conditioning, but gives much more dominance to the conditioned side of man rather than the inate and non-conditioned personality/makeup.  But let us say that NWO via technology is able to condition us fully out of any competitive sense whatsoever. Then it may be conceivably possible to convert us into content humans, only having desires for products that we were pre-conditioned to want.  I suppose this is another acceptable interpretation of the "future grocery store" statement by PJ.


Interpretation 3:
There is a third interpretation that I do not think is particularly more or less "correct" but should be considered nonetheless. It actually fits in very nicely to NWO documents/CFR document/Bilderberg plans and Project Blue Beam plans.  Just read the following concerning cash and the absense of barter in the New World Order agenda (BTW Aaron Russo also talked about this when he exposed his conversation with Rockefeller):

Project Blue Beam written in 1994:

Phasing Out Cash & Independence
The techniques used in the fourth step is exactly the same used in the past in the USSR to force the people to accept Communism. The same technique will be used by the United Nations to implement the new world religion and the new world order. [...] According to the many reports we have received, we believe it will begin with some kind of worldwide economic disaster. Not a complete crash, but enough to allow them to introduce some kind of in-between currency before they introduce their electronic cash to replace all paper or plastic money. The in-between currency will be used to force anyone with savings to spend or turn in their cash because they understand that people who have money and are not dependent upon them might be the very ones who will mount an insurrection against them. If everyone is broke, no one can fund a war of any kind: paper currency will cease to exist.

So imagine the store analogy again...

PJ: "...you go in, you get what you need, and you leave."

Your implanted microchip recognizes your account, the individual items have their own chips in them, the doorway records the items and your implanted microchip. So then your socialized allowance gets marked as being given these individual items.

PJ: "That's it. Why. Why would no one steal? Because there is no reason to, they can't sell it. There is no money."

Of course no one will be allowed to sell anything.  Every single item will not only have a unique product code, but also a unique code/serial number for that specific good or service itself.  Just try buying a computer at a store, they now have individual identifyers where before they only had product numbers.  Every individual item is now slowly being tracked.  In additiion, it is not inconceivable that in the very near future home doorways (and probably waste receptacles to ensure proper recycling or termination of product use/consumption) will probably also have monitoring devices.  This would then track every single unique and numbered product that enters your doorway.  They will verify that they were taken from the store and that it was recorded that you as an individual took them from the store and that you were allowed through your allowance to take them from the store. This tracking will be based on your implanted chip, the chips in the products, and the gates/doorway tracking systems that you enter. We have already seen peculiar tracking devices on major roadways to track the goods and services in trucks. It is conceivable that this would also be done with cars.

PJ: "...There is no reason for differential advantage in a position where you can't actually engage in gaining something through abuse in society....

And then comes the socialist doctrine again: protections from abuse in society, not abuses to individuals, only in society or rather 'to' society or to the 'family.' Of course the grid/matrix will be set up so that you cannot create a 'ABUSE IN SOCIETY'.  There obviously will be 'TECHNOLOGY' to eradicate any 'ABUSE IN SOCIETY.'

PJ: "...This is a core point in why money is such a horrible invention for control. Money is the ultimate divide and conquer...."

I think he is again referring to cash and if so he could be seeing that cash and the hoarding of cash could be seen as a threat to "society" and socialized structures.   When he says "horrible invention for control" he is possibly meaning individual control over socialized constructs.  Money allows individual control, allows for the individual to use it as a common form of exchange for grnting the individual control over the societal limitations controlled via a central construct. During the great depression, the socialists were able to conduct gold seizures from homes because of it being a threat to "society."  The funny thing is, PJ mentions this in his first flick.  But I find doublespeak and Problem/Reaction/Solution agendas all over his films.

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Well the point I would like to make is that the first 2 interpretations in my mind are unrealistic whereas the last one is actually an NWO plan.  I have no idea what PJ was thinking when he said this stuff, but many false leaders have been set up by NWO to preach intricate false paradigms where the hidden agenda is sometimes in plain view.

[Dig]

Project Blue Beam warnings (this was written in 1994):

"The infamous NASA [National Aeronautics and Space Administration] Blue Beam Project has four different steps in order to implement the new age religion with the Antichrist at its head. We must remember that the new age religion is the very foundation for the new world government, without which religion the dictatorship of the new world order is completely impossible. I'll repeat that: Without a universal belief in the new age religion, the success of the new world order will be impossible! That is why the Blue Beam Project is so important to them, but has been so well hidden until now."

Concerning the re-education and re-conditioning agenda (according to PJ and other NWO followers, common man is solely a product of environment, so the NWO is actively researching ways to change the past/present/future environments for re-conditioning of the human):

"The old maxim, 'divide and conquer', is being played out to the limit worldwide to ensure that everyone is frightened for their personal safety, and to be suspicious of everyone else. This, too, is mind-control. To go further in regard to the new technology which is at the base of the NASA Blue Beam Project, we have to consider this statement by psychologist James V. McConnell which was published in a 1970s issue of Psychology Today. He said, 'The day has come when we can combine sensory deprivation with drug hypnosis and astute manipulation of reward and punishment to gain almost absolute control over an individual's behavior. It should then be possible to achieve a very rapid and highly effective type of positive brainwashing that would allow us to make dramatic changes in a person's behavior and personality.'

    Now, when we talked before about that kind of ray and the telepathic and electronically augmented communication, the kind of rays that are fed from the memories of computers which store massive data about humans, human language and dialects, and we said that the people will be reached from within, making each person to believe that his own god is speaking directly from within his or her own soul, we refer to that kind of technology and that kind of thinking that same psychologist was espousing, that is: we should be trained from birth that we should all do what society wants us to do rather than what we want to do for ourselves; that because they have the technology to do it, no one should now be allowed to have their own individual personality. This statement and these ideas are important because it is the basic teaching of the United Nations that no one owns his or her own personality. And that same psychologist claims that no one has any say-so about the kind of personality they acquire and there is no reason to believe you have the right to refuse to acquire a new personality if your old personality is considered 'antisocial.'

    What is important in this declaration is that the new world order will be set up over the current system, meaning the old way of thinking and behavior and religion will be considered the 'old' and incorrect way of thinking and that they can change it at one of the eradication camps of the United Nations to make sure that anyone with this 'antisocial' behavior will be disposed of quickly so that other modified individuals will be able to fulfill the needs and agendas of the new world order without being distracted by the truth."

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If we can step away from the Krishnamurti and Golden Dawn stuff for a moment, there's a way easier way to discredit Peter Joseph's doctrine...

I listened to the interview the other day with rapt interest. It really shone a light on one area of thought which we don't hear a lot about, but which is so vital - the connection between human nature, value (good vs bad/evil), and economics. Though I'd tend to agree with Peter Joseph on his assessment of the relative importance of free will vs instinct in human nature (we're not spiders or whales, after all), I didn't agree with his assessment of our conditioning 'by the economic system'. In fact, Alex had him dead to rights on this point when he pointed out that the free market has been distorted beyond recognition, and by comparison, the ideal social system of Zeitgeist sounded like little more than an expansion on the theory that one guy calls into the show with on occasion "everyone should just work, and then you can walk into the grocery store and take what you need". Riiiigggght.

The one essential point I would have liked to hear more about, and which the entire discussion hinges upon, is the idea of value. Whether you agree with the idea that (some) humans are vicious by nature or that we'd be perfectly fine in some commune of unlimited size and scope, people still need values to sustain their lives. And people, once you get past the individual level of some one person deciding which tree to clamber up because she prefers breadfruit over cocoanut, need a way of measuring the relative values of things so that they can make decisions as to what values to pursue. I really think Joseph is a crypto-Marxist, because this is what he implicitly denies. He states that we need to have a "resource management society", but he vilifies the only way that societies have ever discovered to measure the relative value of goods - money. In fact, every social system that has moved past barter has come up with a 'collectively' agreed upon medium of exchange, with greater or lesser degrees of success depending on the properties of the chosen medium - cigarettes in jails, cowrie shells in the South Seas, and metals in Europe.
 
Peter Joseph's doctrine on this point, where he takes a few minutes to summarize his idea (about 2:32:00 into the Wednesday podcast) is that 1) people don't actually need 'incentive' in order to work (notice the deliberately narrow definition of incentive here) 2) money creates scarcity and social stratification 3) money therefore forces people into a system of trading on 'differential advantage' 4) this 'fake system' determines behavior

Unfortunately, this completely reverses causality. NATURE gives us scarce resources, and this is what determines behavior. We need stuff in order to live, and some of the stuff we need is naturally scarce. Differential value exists, it is a given, because of the overlap between human needs and the natural world. Yes, technology can create plenty in certain areas - this is the truth that Peter Joseph seizes upon (while simultaneously holding that the earth has a limited capacity, so he admits of scarcity as well). But he says we need a scientific mindset to measure resources??

Money IS the product of a scientific method used to measure the value of resources. Yes, we need education to know what's good, what to value and disvalue, but it's the market that sets those values once you move past the level of information required to set value for a small tribe. The market is a database in this regard - nothing less than the emergent, collective opinion of everyone participating as to what things are more valuable than others. Get rid of the market, and you need a dictator. No, no, says Peter Joseph - people will just know, we'll be enlightened, the state will whither away, we'll be educated, we'll figure it out somehow. Well, you can't have a market without a market. Sorry. And by the way, setting market prices high for scarce commodities is the only liberty-based way to the sustainability that Zeitgeist and the Venus project and similar schools of though value so much. And money doesn't create stratification - it's interference in the market that does that. Look at the simplest example of exchange: that between two people. If I have something that's really scarce and valuable, say a vintage Les Paul, and you want it, then we are free to come to an arrangement of an equal exchange of value, either through the barter of a less scarce resource, say melons - which you can bring over in wheelbarrows, which I may not be thrilled about - or by giving me an equivalent amount of money, which is even better since I can then go and get my melons when I want them from the market without having to worry about storage or spoilage. (Gold, by the way, doesn't spoil, doesn't inflate, and is perfectly divisible - which makes it ideally suited for the job of being money, not some irrational intrinsic belief in its value).

To make a long story short, the economic theory (or lack thereof) in Zeitgeist is ridiculous on its face, and any Austrian economist could take this apart in far less time, and in a far more well-spoken way than I'm able to. I do, however, have this essay to offer on why measurement is vital to human life, and how gold is the best thing we've got to measure value...

Snuffing out Inflation: The ‘Standard Candle’ and The Credit Crisis
http://tehowe.blogspot.com/2008/03/snuffing-out-inflation-standard-candle.html

People really need to teach this to their kids, or we'll be going over it all over again in a couple generations once some tyrant pumps and dumps the next economic bubble.

[Novus Ordo]

too late m8 they are already back playing on the 'X' box

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The Venus Project:
The Second Amendment and Re-Education

AJ: "Where do you stand on the second amendment? There is always going to be bad people that want to hurt good people, aren't I allowed to have guns?"

PJ: "It is not a matter of allowed to have guns it is a matter of is it necessary. And that is a thing I disagree with you on."

AJ: "But who is going to decide if it is necessary? Because I assure you..."

PJ: "If there is a need to manufacture a gun it could happen. However, you are missing the point. You are trying to achieve a system that doesn't have stratification and control. We live in such a stratified control mechanism, there is elitism in every area of society."

AJ: "Who is going to enforce no one having guns man, what are you..."

PJ: "There is no enforcement, it is based on the understandings and education of what this planet is, who you actually are. That is why I go after religion. Because religion is the biggest, most offensive element...systematic institution that there is. You cannot have a whole group of people believing in something that stops their intellectual growth. Does that mean they need to be eradicated? Of course not...THEY NEED TO BE RE-EDUCATED."

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Oh man, is there an automatic transcription device or something?

This is totally incredible.  He avoids the 2nd amendment question twice and then like a child goes to his crutch... "religion, religion is the evil enemy!!!" And then he exposes the true plan...RE-EDUCATION!!!!


Time for Re-Education...

[Novus Ordo]

Well that’s firmly ‘slid’ everything out of the way eh Sane…lol

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More interesting details you should ignore in ZA...



We'll ignore that there are at least 3 sixes in this picture...

What do you see here?



Interesting image really...I don't see an eye or a skull.  Why would you intentionally put this kind of imagery in a nonsecular video?

[Dig]

Well that’s firmly ‘slid’ everything out of the way eh Sane…lol

yeah truth has a way of sliding scams and deceit right out of the way.

good point.

thanks for your insight.