Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[Rock]

To all the new z - trolls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubMSndtBnVU

Warning, you must be 18 to view it

[InfoTruth]

You werent looking for answers only a fight.

I asked you to answer those questions in that thread which you didn't do. And i gave thanks to other Christians in the thread who did answer.

[Dig]

A talking point is something that one uses to go back to again and again to reinforce an empty platform of argument, your continuous posts and repetitive "talking points" are no different than what you are condemning. What is your point to posting that over and over? To discredit all who disagree with AJ? or you? That is why you are doing it. Anyone who uses any argument in your post is therefore a "Z-troll" and should be shunned by the majority. Wow this is the freedom in which we will have under the Utopian view of the "Patriot" movement?

"A revolutionary becomes a conservative the day after the revolution" That quote holds true, so it seems. All people who think they are fighting the system are just replacing it with an equal system of control of their own. It will NEVER work!!

I think that is a very thoughtful argument however it just seems to lack evidence as there are talking points for this Z-headed z-day z-movement z-religiocity and z-bamboozling z-troll infestation.  It is actually real. There are talking points that deny logic, reason, facts, evidence, reference, etc. you seem to be offering some decent combination of words, but the talking points expose shows a pattern of small sentences that have no basis in reality and are generally coming from posters that only care about causing division.

You may disagree with one or some of them, but to say they do not exist and that there are no z-trolls is like saying 2+2=5.

[UK Lyn]

To all the new z - trolls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubMSndtBnVU

Warning, you must be 18 to view it

ROFL, and PMP !!!

[Dig]

LOL That was more of a joke about the CIA interrogation technique. Yeah I created that thread with great intentions because I honestly have thought about these questions, I don't see anything wrong with questioning.

Wait, that is it?  You are reacting like PJ when AJ confronts him with his hypocricy.  Just laughs it off like it does not exist.

Dude you are a hypocrite.  You say that you want to bring people together yet you obviously interject division.  How can this not be more obvious? And then when exposed, you just go "LOL, that was a joke"

geeez

[Atomic]

Ok, you ar certifiably nuts.  I cut and paste your words, then you tell me I am misquoting you?  Look at your own post nogga nogga! http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=65042.msg340558#msg340558

Well, there it is.  That's what I love about permanent print.  It does not distort or lie. SO are you going to say your sorry?  Probably not.


Rock

Ok Rock I said that more then once in different ways and in that case the part you modified was at the end not the part I highlighted in Red however you still gutted the whole context of what I said. Here is the WHOLE statement cut n pasted so we can all see how you cut out the meat of it for your cute little list of rules.

you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about is extremely difficult to convey to people.

So I appologize for not siting the correct part that you cut out of what I said, however you did cut out the important context so the meaning was lost just like I said. Why don't you just make it all up anyway man? What difference does it make if it is what someone actually said right because it is funny and I am a big bad ass blog brawler and other suck ups on the forum think I am cool.

[InfoTruth]

Wait, that is it?  You are reacting like PJ when AJ confronts him with his hypocricy.  Just laughs it off like it does not exist.

LOL Maybe I shouldn't take you seriously as well.

Dude you are a hypocrite.  You say that you want to bring people together yet you obviously interject division.  How can this not be more obvious? And then when exposed, you just go "LOL, that was a joke"

geeez

No I'm not a hypocrite I just feel like i have the right to question things that doesn't make sense. Hmm where have I heard that before? You can post all the articles,quotes,videos you want against Zeitgeist but when someone dares to defend it there are identified as "trolls".

[noxium]

I think that is a very thoughtful argument however it just seems to lack evidence as there are talking points for this Z-headed z-day z-movement z-religiocity and z-bamboozling z-troll infestation.  It is actually real. There are talking points that deny logic, reason, facts, evidence, reference, etc. you seem to be offering some decent combination of words, but the talking points expose shows a pattern of small sentences that have no basis in reality and are generally coming from posters that only care about causing division.

You may disagree with one or some of them, but to say they do not exist and that there are no z-trolls is like saying 2+2=5.

I'm not saying they do not exist, but I am not a Z-head or whatever, I just happen to like the idea of new concepts, because in my opinion and only my opinion on this matter, the system we have now cannot be fixed nor can it flourish without the same thing happening again. And it seems anyone who does not go along with the idea of the majority here is subject to being ridiculed as if they are blasphemers to the patriot movement, truth movement or whatever it is called. That is just my point.

By the way I am not new here, my other name is LibertaS, some know me and some do not, but for certain reasons I had to create a new account. My post count is low but not because I am "New". Only meant for some  

[InfoTruth]

I'm not saying they do not exist, but I am not a Z-head or whatever, I just happen to like the idea of new concepts, because in my opinion and only my opinion on this matter, the system we have now cannot be fixed nor can it flourish without the same thing happening again. And it seems anyone who does not go along with the idea of the majority here is subject to being ridiculed as if they are blasphemers to the patriot movement, truth movement or whatever it is called. That is just my point.

Yeah I'm also not a "Z-Head" like I've said many times i disagree with some of PJ points and I think its ridiculous IMO that mankind's savior will be technology. But I do believe we need a new idea of some sort.

[Dig]

I'm not saying they do not exist, but I am not a Z-head or whatever, I just happen to like the idea of new concepts, because in my opinion and only my opinion on this matter, the system we have now cannot be fixed nor can it flourish without the same thing happening again. And it seems anyone who does not go along with the idea of the majority here is subject to being ridiculed as if they are blasphemers to the patriot movement, truth movement or whatever it is called. That is just my point.

By the way I am not new here, my other name is LibertaS, some know me and some do not, but for certain reasons I had to create a new account. My post count is low but not because I am "New". Only meant for some  

I did not call you a z-head and acknowledged and respected your logical reasoning skills.  I did not call you a "talking point" regurgitator either and have respected your arguments. And although I understand your opinion about how this seems to be some assimilation system, I just do not agree with that.  But I do respect your opinion about it and do not see there is any need to ridicule it.

[Atomic]

LOL Maybe I shouldn't take you seriously as well.

No I'm not a hypocrite I just feel like i have the right to question things that doesn't make sense. Hmm where have I heard that before? You can post all the articles,quotes,videos you want against Zeitgeist but when someone dares to defend it there are identified as "trolls".

Now you got it man we are Z-Trolls lol because we think there are some valid points in Zeitgeist worth at least having a rational discussion about.

[Dig]

LOL Maybe I shouldn't take you seriously as well.

I wholeheartedly agree with that wise statement!

No I'm not a hypocrite I just feel like i have the right to question things that doesn't make sense. Hmm where have I heard that before? You can post all the articles,quotes,videos you want against Zeitgeist but when someone dares to defend it there are identified as "trolls".

I definitely disagree with that statement, as the evidence clearly shows that you keep saying you hate division, yet you seem to be a primary cause of interjecting it.

[Dig]

Now you got it man we are Z-Trolls lol because we think there are some valid points in Zeitgeist worth at least having a rational discussion about.

Nope, that would not be a Z-Troll.  Please have a rational discussion about the interview (about time). Did you think it was a great interview or the greatest interview?

[noxium]

I did not call you a z-head and acknowledged and respected your logical reasoning skills.  I did not call you a "talking point" regurgitator either and have respected your arguments. And although I understand your opinion about how this seems to be some assimilation system, I just do not agree with that.  But I do respect your opinion about it and do not see there is any need to ridicule it.

That's cool.

[InfoTruth]

I wholeheartedly agree with that wise statement!

I definitely disagree with that statement, as the evidence clearly shows that you keep saying you hate division, yet you seem to be a primary cause of interjecting it.

I understand what you're trying to say here and I can see how you think I'm trying to divide rather than unite but I'm actually trying to get people to question their beliefs. I'm doing this with good intentions, since I believe it's not right to follow anything blindly. Maybe I'm not good at this uniting thing but what do you suggest? I'm asking you a serious question, how can we all unite?

[thrashbassist]

What is this thread even about anymore?

[Atomic]

Nope, that would not be a Z-Troll.  Please have a rational discussion about the interview (about time). Did you think it was a great interview or the greatest interview?

I think you guys have set the auto pilot and the throttle to full speed ahead and there is no way in hell that we are going to be able to have a rational discussion or work together towards any type of understanding. I said a long time ago what I thought of the interview, it was a joke, Alex was acting like a child.

[Dig]

I understand what you're trying to say here and I can see how you think I'm trying to divide rather than unite but I'm actually trying to get people to question their beliefs. I'm doing this with good intentions, since I believe it's not right to follow anything blindly. Maybe I'm not good at this uniting thing but what do you suggest? I'm asking you a serious question, how can we all unite?

Well one thing you can do is respect people's personal beliefs and not start threads questioning their faith. that might be a good first step. the other thing you could do is to stop interjecting this evangelicals v. atheist stuff into this thread where it has been shown to be a plot. that would be a good second step. then you should feel free to have those conversations in the bible thumping thread as i have previously stated. there is actually a wealth of info in there and people will be happy to respond to your pensive questions.

as far as overall helping to bridge people, just lead by example. if you are interested in educating people look at what others have done. if you agree with the fractional federal reserve issues in Z and ZA, perhaps you can make a video about it, write an article on it, etc. there are hundreds of things you can do.  feel free to start a thread in the question room called "what can I do to help stop the NWO" and see if people can give you some decent advice.

i hope that helps.

[Dig]

What is this thread even about anymore?

something about gathering in a circle and singing kumbaya

[Dig]

I think you guys have set the auto pilot and the throttle to full speed ahead and there is no way in hell that we are going to be able to have a rational discussion or work together towards any type of understanding. I said a long time ago what I thought of the interview, it was a joke, Alex was acting like a child.

Luther, are you angree with me?

Like I stated earlier, feel free to have a rational discussion about something, others have.

[fightbacknow]

THIS DEBATE OVER Z, ALEX, P. JOSEPH, CHRISTIAN, NON...NEEDS TO END.

ITS TAKING THE FOCUS OFF OF WHAT THE NWO IS DOING TO YOU & YOUR LOVED ONES.

Lets get out of our your wrong, I'm right mentality...cointel at its finest....

Get back to taking action to fight the NWO and their STATED plans.

[Atomic]

Luther, are you angree with me?

Nope I am done with you. You guys will be fine all by yourselves against all us Z-Trolls, and the NWO and the Government, and the media, and the bilderbergs, and the illuminati, and half of your former friends who like me were just pretending for the last 7 years to support the truth movement so we could launch our secret Z attack now to destroy you and Alex. Go get em tiger, full speed ahead!

[37]

Yeah, I do know what that parable means.

Beware of those who want to alter the truth you've already found.

Very appropriate to the Zeitgeist phenomenon, which takes kernels of truth and attaches them to Theosophic "dogma".


Yes, that quote is from the speech where he publicly separated himself from Theosophy...of course, he still went around speaking like a teacher.

Even though he opposed "unconditionally" the teacher/student relationship.

And how about further down in the Wiki entry where  they say this...

Krishnamurti had denounced all organized belief, the notion of gurus, and the whole teacher-follower relationship, vowing instead to work in setting man absolutely, totally free. Mary Lutyens notes that he never actually denied being the World Teacher; when asked, he insisted that the question was irrelevant. In correspondence with Lady Emily Lutyens, who was distressed over the ending of the Order and its World Teacher Project, he remarked: "You know mum I have never denied it [being the World Teacher], I have only said it does not matter who or what I am but that they should examine what I say, which does not mean that I have denied being the W.T." When a reporter asked him if he was the Christ, he answered "Yes, in the pure sense but not in the traditional accepted sense of the word."


If you don't agree with being a teacher, then you should stop touring and speaking to groups.

He actively spent the rest of his life infecting men with his personal dogma.

Plus, much of what he preached was still theosophy based.  So, his public separation seems like a hollow gesture, in retrospect.

[Geolibertarian]

Luther, are you angree with me?

Oh, sorry about the car door. Did that hurt? It looked real painful when you slammed into it.

 

[Dig]

THIS DEBATE OVER Z, ALEX, P. JOSEPH, CHRISTIAN, NON...NEEDS TO END.

ITS TAKING THE FOCUS OFF OF WHAT THE NWO IS DOING TO YOU & YOUR LOVED ONES.

Lets get out of our your wrong, I'm right mentality...cointel at its finest....

Get back to taking action to fight the NWO and their STATED plans.

Now that is some rational thought!

[Geolibertarian]

THIS DEBATE OVER Z, ALEX, P. JOSEPH, CHRISTIAN, NON...NEEDS TO END.

ITS TAKING THE FOCUS OFF OF WHAT THE NWO IS DOING TO YOU & YOUR LOVED ONES.

+100

[Ununillium]

Not to create a tangent here, but can you prove that?

Actually I can't prove that.  I myself have never been in space and everything about it that i know of (to me) is hearsay.

I do own a large telescope and i have seen the international space station with it.  But, again, maybe we've never been in space and what I've seen was just..ice crystals. XD

[ThomasPaine2008]

P.S.: Peter Joseph's claim that birds are taught how to build nests is probably mostly wrong, although some learning may be involved in a few species.  I've seen the science that spiders know innately how to spin webs.  Even humans get a number of instincts right off the bat.  For instance, I read about a study where babies were out on a pane of glass that had flooring under half of it, and under the other half, it was, say, three feet to the floor.  Babies avoided or refused to crawl over the glass where it was three feet to the floor.  This demonstrates they had an instinctive avoidance to crawling out over ledges, and the instinct involved visual cues.  As aggression is in all probability a part of our normal instinctive heritage, a philosophy which cannot deal with it puts people unnecessarily at risk.  Even if bred out of us, the advantages of greed are so beneficial (at least temporarily) to the individual that it will probably arise again spontaneously.  I am a great fan of the Dog Whisperer, Caesar Millas, who is able to create peaceful packs by asserting his authority, and quickly converting violent dogs into one big, quiet and peaceful packs.  If peace were the real aim of the NWO, they should follow his example, instead of having all these wars and population reduction far in excess of anything that might be necessary.

On the other hand, when Alex says secret societies, when you get to the bottom of them, have always been Luciferian, is incorrect.  For one thing, use of the morning star to refer to an arrogant king is probably first historically recorded in the time of the OT prophets, and there were certainly secret societies before this, or in places where Hebrew scriptures were not known.  Even where they were known, it should be pointed out that Elysian mysteries, from about the time of Christ, were a Greek secret society which originated some of the Christian stories, but they were about Dionysus, not Jesus.  Even Christianity kept their scriptures secret, and used a secret sign, the fish made up of two semicircles, as a secret sign of recognition.  For that matter, Yahweh was a god known to Moses and the Midianites, but not many others; when the Egyptians always assumed Semites worshiped Seth.  To the Egyptians, Yahweh worship and what it consisted of was unknown - if not a secret, then something they were not really given time to learn either.  Let's try to reformulate this a little bit.  Secret societies are not uncommon, especially when they are created as a remedy to government tyranny.  Masonry began as a counter-movement to the sort of religious fervor present in the crusades.  A society which receives government approval, and yet remains secret, very probably hides a very horrible secret; since secret societies (also the Japanese Yakuza and Chinese mafia) are often secret due to government oppression, whereas when a government condones a secret society, either it is a harmless country club for elites, or there is hardly any reason other than malevolent motives to keep it secret.

[UK Lyn]

Amen. Ever worked in a old folk's home?  I did for quite a while. I can assure you, no robot or 'technology' is going to be gentle or empathic enough for that job. So this 'utopia' will still need human beings there at least, doing at times a pretty unpleasant job -ever assisted with a crisis geriatric constipation? No? Well WHO will do THAT in 'utopia' ?

That is just ONE of countless examples of jobs, yes jobs, that will never be handed over to 'technology'

Go on, please, just one Z.A. advocate, tell me WHO is going to do these often-unpleasant JOBS and what will be their reward? (or will 'utopia' not have any old, ala Logan's Run?)

You know, I asked pretty much the same question on other websites discussing this.  No one ever replies other than those that agree.  C'mon you Z.A. advocates, put me out of my un-reconditioned misery and answer TFQ

[Firewerk66]

Plus, much of what he preached was still theosophy based.  So, his public separation seems like a hollow gesture, in retrospect.

Bullshit. plain and simple. read his works, i have. thats why i say bullshit to this response.

[kenischange]

Actually I can't prove that.  I myself have never been in space and everything about it that i know of (to me) is hearsay.

I do own a large telescope and i have seen the international space station with it.  But, again, maybe we've never been in space and what I've seen was just..ice crystals. XD

Just in case you don't know, the Hubble and the communication satellites are in relatively low orbit. I'd love to have tangible evidence that MEN (not automated craft) have gone further than shuttle orbiter orbits.

Hmmm...this topic has been moved to the UFO board. Odd.

[Firewerk66]

Yeah, I do know what that parable means.

Beware of those who want to alter the truth you've already found.

good try, but wrong. see my previous post about what the parable actually means.

[Rock]

I understand what you're trying to say here and I can see how you think I'm trying to divide rather than unite but I'm actually trying to get people to question their beliefs. I'm doing this with good intentions, since I believe it's not right to follow anything blindly. Maybe I'm not good at this uniting thing but what do you suggest? I'm asking you a serious question, how can we all unite?

Now don't pop,

Just except Jesus as your lord and we can Unite!

J/K   


It is just to fun...


Rock

[Rock]

something about gathering in a circle and singing kumbaya

Dude,  Stop! 

[ironPlasma]

Today I watched Zeitgeist Addendum, and I must say that the economic part is good and well put together, but when it gets to the solutions part, they totally screwed it up. This "resource" based system is, in my opinion, an equivalent to the monetary system. Money, in the end, is supposed to reflect the availability of resources and their cost.

Somehow they expect to have people just do "work" for no money and they will be provided food and everything they need to survive in this technological system. However, someone has to do work, and someone has to overlook the work is being done, and someone has to arrenge that the different products being produced by the workers are being distributed through the different working groups in the society.
Of course, in zeitgeist they do not even aknowledge that there will have to be an "authority", or a "leader". If there is no leader, there will be no cohesion, and people might start doing work on what they like and then go to the food distrubution building to collect some food and find that "no one wanted to produce food today, so there is none" or will that be automated? Even if that aspect of life is automated, I doubt that such a level of automation will be acheived for some time. So, before it is achieved, someone is going to do the work on the fields and the cutting and cooking of food. It's clear that this will already represent a class differentiation because doing such types of work will not be looked upon as glamorous as others.

On a different note, the people inhabiting this society will be quite happily breeding and living very confortable lives... But I'm sure that they are going to have to manage the numbers of people therefore, they will need to have very strict population control. Interestingly enough, when I visited their website and downloaded their 72 page PDF describing their vision, I realized that it is indeed a scientific dictatorship for all intents and purposes. I am sure that Peter Joseph would reply "call it what you like" to that statement.

They also said that there would be "competence accreditation" to figure out what an individual can and cannot do. And my question is: Is this not a form of control which will require managing authorities and other systems of control.

The structure which they are proposing, is in the end, a conglomerate of companies or organizations which would control the resources of the world in a unanomous fashion. Of course, no one has spoken about the very real problem of manufacturing and who determines what is manufactured and for whom. Many of these questions need to be addressed and of course the idea sounds appealing if it wasn't for the clearly visible bias against belief systems and natural human impulses.

Those of you who have talked about the religious system that Peter Joseph is promiting are 100% correct. This vision is not completely objective, there is a bias towards collectivism, or what I like to call the "Ant-colony Society". Sometimes people want to do something that while it might not serve any real purpose to the world, it serves a purpose towards them. It is the individual vs. community problem.

My final conclusion is that many aspects of the vision they have is appealing and in truth, possible. It is possible in a free money exchanging society, and it is also possible in a dictatorship type society... the question is, can we afford to have a dictatorship society?

It is an interesting concept, to explore the possibility of having a composite society.


PS: To the person that criticized Maxwell, Icke and Tsarion, I can see where you're coming from, but I'm not so sure that their insight is quite the same as what the NWO religion is. It might be similar in some areas, but not quite. There could be something to your argument though... but I feel that these individuals are well meaning but they approach the problem in different ways. For example, they all emphasize individual expression and self-empowerment... this is something that the NWO use on themselves, but they seek a collectivist anthill society for the masses.

[Atomic]

LOL Topic moved as far out of view as possible huh? Well I guess that is one way of handling it instead of facing the problem and dealing with it. Z-Troll out.

[squarepusher]

Evidence that Jiddu Krishnamurti was generally accepted to be the 'new messiah' or 'World Christ' of the Theosophical Society.

KRISHNAMURTI HERE; SAYS HIS MESSAGE IS WORLD HAPPINESS; Young Hindu, Hailed as the 'Vehicle' by Theosophists, Talks of His Mission. CALLS AMERICA JAZZ MAD But Materialism Will Lead to a Spiritual Plane Here, He Declares. TO LEAD NEW CIVILIZATION Mrs. Annie Besant Asserts 'World Teacher' Will Enter 'Krishnaji's' Body in December. " VEHICLE" OF THEOSOPHISTS AND HIS SPONSOR. KRISHNAMURTI HERE WITH HIS MESSAGE
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50917FD3D581B7A93C4AB1783D85F428285F9&scp=4&sq=Krishnamurti&st=cse

Date: August 26, 1926

PUPILS PUZZLED BY "NEW MESSIAH"; KRISHNAMURTI
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60810FB3C54127A93C3A81783D85F4D8285F9&scp=8&sq=Krishnamurti&st=cse

Date: August 11, 1929, Sunday

Need I go on? So let's stop with the childish denial game, please. That Jiddu purportedly rejected his 'Messiah' title at the end of his life is irrelevant: he clearly approved of it in his heyday.

[37]

Bullshit. plain and simple. read his works, i have. thats why i say bullshit to this response.

Yes your post is bullshit.  Largely because you provide no support for it...plain and simple.

I guess we all just have to take your word for it.  


This guy didn't work a day in his life.  He didn't know shit about reality.  He's like the Dalai Lama...living fat on the work of peasants, while giving them false hope in return.

Here's what I think of Krishnamutri...hypocrite.

"I don't believe in organizations...but if your organization will pay me I will come and talk to them about the evil of organizations."  What a twit.  

good try, but wrong. see my previous post about what the parable actually means.

I don't agree with your interpretation.  I think it is wrong.

it means the truth cannot be organized into dogma - it means truth is not moldable

The devil says that he can organize the truth to confuse the man.  He is quite confident of that.  He doesn't mention molding the truth...he is going to organize everything around it, so that the man can't understand it.  We call it spin today. 

The whole point of the parable is that a man can have the truth in his possession and never even recognize it.  That outsiders can confuse him...they don't need to "mold" the truth.

In fact, the devil's confident tone in the story is very similar to Peter Joseph's attitude towards Alex.  "Simple christian, you can't see the truth because of what you believe." 

This guy can't see the truth because he is wrapped up in what he heard from Krishnamurti. 

One cultist making fun of another never ceases to amuse me.

[squarepusher]

Krishnamurti at the end of Zeitgeist Addendum

There's no teacher, there's no guru, there's no leader...

What a liar he was. I only have to look at some of the NY Times articles to see he was a liar; he clearly saw himself as a Messiah, 'teacher', 'leader', guru, whatever you want to call it.

HINDU MYSTIC HAS A MESSAGE; Annie Besant Calls Krishnamurti, Through Whom Theosophists Believe the "World Teacher" Will Speak, "New Type"
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60A12F934541A7A93C3A8178CD85F428285F9&scp=20&sq=Krishnamurti&st=cse

Date: July 11, 1926

DESCRIBES 'STAR IN THE EAST.'; Ian Boissevain Says Krishnamurti Is Leader of the Order.
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50E14FD3D581B7A93C4AB1783D85F428285F9&scp=22&sq=Krishnamurti&st=cse

Date: August 26, 1926

[UK Lyn]

LOL Topic moved as far out of view as possible huh? Well I guess that is one way of handling it instead of facing the problem and dealing with it. Z-Troll out.

Hey you guys are masters at avoiding questions, like the one I ask how PJ's 'utopia' deals with the frail elderly, the 24/7 sick, etc?

Of course, eugenics and euthanasia (to eradicate these 'problems'), so beloved of these Brave New Worlds, kinda f**ks up the whole utopia picture, sorry, illusion.