Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[sociostudent]

$20 says we hit 25 pages by noon 

[Geolibertarian]

What 'new agey bullshit'? ZA offers technological solutions to problems, mainly, clean, safe and renewable/unlimited, and very realistic, sources of energy.

But it sells the idea of these high-tech solutions as replacement not just of older technology, but of older religions -- as evidenced by the final scene, in which people from different faiths are shown abandoning their old beliefs and embracing this new, one world belief. If it were just about replacing outdated technology, they wouldn't have thrown all that other stuff in with it.

I say all this, by the way, as one who doesn't subscribe to any organized religion (be it Christianity, Judaism, or Islam). So I have no axe to grind. Just calling it like I see it.

[SuzakaDusk]

$20 says we hit 25 pages by noon 

LOL which timezone ?

[Geolibertarian]

$20 says we hit 25 pages by noon 

I'll see your $20 and raise you another $10. 

[sociostudent]

LOL which timezone ?

Let's say U.S. Pacific  

[Dig]

Sane i can think for myself, if this stuff is so obviously NWO propaganda why did Alex; somebody that has lived this probably more than anyone else in the movement in the last 10 years not spot it? He admitted today he was under prepared. It seems it wasn't until after the interview that he bothered to check a lot of things the film was saying.

If you read my posts ive hardly stood up for the Zeitgeist films, i do think there is some positive things in there, but ive also said on this thread that i think the solutions are unrealistic in the short term and while some of the things proposed would be great in an ideal world, thats not the world we're living in, but that also doesn't mean such ideas shouldn't be discussed.

My problem is more with the way Alex handled himself in the interview and even on the show yesterday where he attacked PJ and the film without allowing any sort of comeback, often misrepresenting his views. He spoke very recently about being fed up of all the in fighting but it looks like hes fallen right back into that paradigm.

There is more to this than the meat and potatoes issues, and if Alex doesn't want to go there thats fine, but lets not automatically label somebody that does a NWO shill, or a New Ager. By doing that your falling into the same traps that the people that label Alex a kook are falling into. The only difference is Alex is prepared to go places they aren't and some people are prepared to go places Alex isn't, but that doesn't necessarily make them NWO shills does it?

Again the dichotic rebuttal:

"if this stuff is so obviously NWO propaganda why did Alex; somebody that has lived this probably more than anyone else in the movement in the last 10 years not spot it"

then followed by:

"My problem is more with the way Alex handled himself in the interview and even on the show yesterday where he attacked PJ and the film without allowing any sort of comeback"

So AJ could not spot that this was NWO propaganda but then he attacked the film for its NWO propaganda?!?

Well which one is it?

In addition, your argument is based on outright lies.  AJ had the superior intellect with "the truth" on for over 2 hours and in that time, the PJ talked more than AJ.  He allowed him to plug Z-Day, his websites, and his films. He allowed him to expouse about his beliefs, his visions, his supposedly new paradigm of society, etc.  Anyone who watches the entire interview would have no trouble seeing this.  AJ gave him the benefit of the doubt and when his explanations matched explanation we have all heard before he researched further and found that the films are influenced by the world christ on earth showing the hypocricy of being supposedly anti-religion.  this allowed AJ to further see that this film is actually nothing new at all but just a film about removing freedom of religion rather than explaining the problems with religious institutions.

Please read the dozens of articles/books/exerpts I and others have posted showing the similarities and also watch some of the videos to see what is going on.

you may find that you have been zeitgeisted.

[sociostudent]

Seriously though, i've never seen such division in a forum in my LIFE. Most of the negative posters are either newbies or jr. members, but they think they know all and are all (because of this weird intellectual/rational superiority), regardless of the fact that some of us have been studying the system (the nwo's methods of control, the way they play the game, their patterns of behavior) for a LOT longer than them. So it would be wise for some of them to stop talking and start listening.
Just a thought
 

[Virgil_Hilts]

There is no one world belief that is being advertised. A non-belief perhaps. New Age is all about spirituality, Zeitgeist sees spirituality as dangerous and obtrusive. You might be seeing something in the film that I'm not, but it's certainly isn't New-ageism.

[sociostudent]

And I will see your $10, geolib!
Is this bet even legal? If so, bring it on 

[Dig]

See you are so sure you know what PJ is proposing and you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about is extremely difficult to convey to people. Want an example of how that can be the case? Describe to me what the color white looks like assuming I am a blind person. See how difficult it is to get accross that one simple thing. Seriously try it.

"Well white is the absence of color" you might say. Well if I am blind I don't know what color is either. Good luck.

and if a tree falls in the forest...

from nothing comes everything...

what you know, don't know, and what you don't know you don't know...

His concepts are so hard to explain because they are deceptive.  Watch Logan's Run and you willl see that there is no "grand explanation," there are only evil elites that architect social constructs that created slavery so that people cannot be free.  It has been exposed and personal liberty is the greatest threat to them.  So they are creating new social constructs that are "more complex and hard to understand."  We do not need any new social pison, we just need freedom.  The constitution lays it out very nicely, numerous people in the truth movement have explained what the solution is for them.  But ZA expouses to have "the answer" to it all. And since it is so complex, we should just believe it.

[Rock]

I am adding this to the talking point list because some ramble it over and over.

"you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about"


Rock

[hyperqube]

the eye, the eye!!

so what's the symbolism of the tear that falls to the ground which illuminates the entire world?

[eagle74]

Found a link to the whole movie "logans run"

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5569269231227780624&ei=a634SLyhNouE-wGQjpSJBA&q=logans+run

[John Gault]

Seriously though, i've never seen such division in a forum in my LIFE. Most of the negative posters are either newbies or jr. members, but they think they know all and are all (because of this weird intellectual/rational superiority), regardless of the fact that some of us have been studying the system (the nwo's methods of control, the way they play the game, their patterns of behavior) for a LOT longer than them. So it would be wise for some of them to stop talking and start listening.
Just a thought
 

Be careful you might bruise their far superior intellectual minds....

They have all the answers to life problems, watch Zeitgeist and believe.

[Firewerk66]

what facts?  you never mention any facts, use logic, coherent reasoning, evidence, sourced information, links, etc. here was your last post:

Where are the facts in there?  how is that not an obviously a high school level response to the overly obvious exposure of ZA's end game matching up with Logan's Run.

It is the same future NWO vision, it has been around for hundreds of years. There is so much evidence and your anger and near-outrage because these things are being exposed is confusing.  WHy not just acknowledge that this is indeed the same plan and you are a believer in it? What is the big deal?  It is a possible future designed by Pike/Blatavsky/Rockefeller/Rothschild/HG Wells/etc. Some people believe in it like Ted Turner/Bill Gates/Warren Buffett/Queen Beatrice.  Why not just say you agree with their visions?

OK, a respectful response from you, i'll respond.

FACT 1: Krishnamurti broke off all ties with Theosophy as well as all dogma and organized religion ie he (in his later life) had ZERO to do with Blavatsky, Pike etc. If you are all really looking for truth, you cannot deny this fact. You can read the transcript here.
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/star.htm

FACT 2: Alex Jones is ignorant to the FULL story and philosophy of Krishnamurti. Its like he read the firs paragraph of the story, saw the words "world teacher", "theosophy",  Blavatsky" etc. and stopped reading and said "OK, thats it, this is the same thing as Satanism, Bohemian Grove, etc.." He is making giant leaps of faith in associating the religion of the NWO to JK's philosophy. There simply is NO connection.

MY OPINION: admittedly, PJ's world view is idealistic at worst. why should he be bashed for that? is he knowingly spreading disinfo and NWO propaganda? No.

ANOTHER OPINION: AJ when speaking to Burmas yesterday contradicted himself when talking about ZA's "utopia". He said that this Theosphic utopia is exactly what the NWO wants to achieve. If thats the case, then where does AJ's FIRST concept of a "post apocalyptic police state" fit in? His "Endgame" scenario? People being beaten in to small, compact cities and dominated by fascist police? What is it Alex? Is it the Endgame police state? Or is it a Theosophic utopia?

[squarepusher]

There is no one world belief that is being advertised. A non-belief perhaps. New Age is all about spirituality, Zeitgeist sees spirituality as dangerous and obtrusive. You might be seeing something in the film that I'm not, but it's certainly isn't New-ageism.

Oh? Then why is Alice Bailey advertising a 'one-world religion' to solve the problems of all other religions?

And why is this guru of the Theosophic Society, the self-appointed Christ, Jiddu, at the beginning and the end?

Go read the book 'Externalisation of the hierarchy', my friend. Peter Joseph does a good job of exposing the IMF, World Bank, and all other aspects of the new world order, but he DOESN'T TELL YOU about the Theosophic Society, Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, and the rest.

And that seems to be deliberate, because he figured he could get away with it and nobody would pick up on the similarities between what the Theosophic Society is calling for (a GOOD 'New world order', well, according to their barometer) and Zeitgeist Addendum's 'solution'.

[Rock]

Updated list for the 6th time

Here is the new talking points:

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well as most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper
5) solutions rather then fear mongering
6) at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution?
7) ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!
8 "Quite saying if we are against organized religion we are NWO shills!"
9) Christians are taking over the movement and labeling anyone who disagrees with them pro NWO.
10) AJ has become like his enemy Bill O'Reilly and is a total hypocrite.
11) "you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about"
12) "bible is full of myths and you Christians can't handle the truth.  So don't tell me Z is full of lies and NWO propeganda like your Christain myths."


These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years  , and will not listen as much in protest.

[Alias1975]

Again the dichotic rebuttal:

"if this stuff is so obviously NWO propaganda why did Alex; somebody that has lived this probably more than anyone else in the movement in the last 10 years not spot it"

then followed by:

"My problem is more with the way Alex handled himself in the interview and even on the show yesterday where he attacked PJ and the film without allowing any sort of comeback"

So AJ could not spot that this was NWO propaganda but then he attacked the film for its NWO propaganda?!?

Well which one is it?

Did i say he attacked the film for its NWO propaganda? As ive said on this thread Alex hardly attacked the film at all, and going by his comments today it wouldn't surprise me if he had watched it all the way through by the time of the interview. He certainly admitted on the show yesterday that he was under prepared. The point ive made on this thread several times is that Alex resorted to name calling and childish behaviour, he didn't ask many good questions based on the content of either film.

In addition, your argument is based on outright lies.  AJ had the superior intellect with "the truth" on for over 2 hours and in that time, the PJ talked more than AJ.  He allowed him to plug Z-Day, his websites, and his films. He allowed him to expouse about his beliefs, his visions, his supposedly new paradigm of society, etc.  Anyone who watches the entire interview would have no trouble seeing this.  AJ gave him the benefit of the doubt and when his explanations matched explanation we have all heard before he researched further and found that the films are influenced by the world christ on earth showing the hypocricy of being supposedly anti-religion.  this allowed AJ to further see that this film is actually nothing new at all but just a film about removing freedom of religion rather than explaining the problems with religious institutions.

Please read the dozens of articles/books/exerpts I and others have posted showing the similarities and also watch some of the videos to see what is going on.

you may find that you have been zeitgeisted.

He interrupted PJ continually and hardly let him finish his train of thought, thats not something new to PJ mind and its kind of a habit of Alex that he interrupts his guests because he has so much info in his head he has this impulse to butt in, but Alex was supposed to be interviewing PJ so your comment that PJ talked more than Alex as something to be proud of kind of illustrates my point. The interviewer is not supposed to talk as much as the person being interviewed if you're truly interested in what they have to say. Listen to somebody like Jeff Rense interview the same guests Alex has on and they get lots more time to make their arguments fully without being interrupted.

Also listening to Alex on yesterdays show i think he needs to listen to the interview with PJ again because the points he claims he made in that interview he simply didn't make at the time. He may wish now after having 24 hours to look into this stuff that he had made these points but hes going on in yesterdays show as if he nailed PJ on his film which simply didn't happen. There was no mention of "World Christ" to PJ, yet he mentions that numerous times on the show yesterday as if he made that point to PJ. I think hes mad at himself that he wasn't properly prepared but he's kind of rewriting history on yesterdays show in terms of the arguments he made to PJ.

[danster82]

I cant believe what a failure infowars have been on this whole situation, you even deleted my thread with criticism of Alex, (oh the irony)
and now you have a question poll on your front page saying

"Following Alex's discussion with Zeitgeist producer Peter Joseph, our question today is: Considering the limitations of human nature and societal conditioning, is a Utopian society achievable?"

This question actually bypass's the whole debate by not allowing people to vote on the issue because the question is leading in that your assuming that these limitations are natural when Peter was pointing out to you that they are created by the system so the question should be do you believe human limitation are natural or induced by the system, Instead you've used Orwellian language where anyway I vote I can only enforce your view,why are you becoming so ridiculous? its embarrassing and your losing my faith rapidly I cannot continue to endorse or listen to people who have become trapped in their own mental box.

[Firewerk66]

But it sells the idea of these high-tech solutions as replacement not just of older technology, but of older religions -- as evidenced by the final scene, in which people from different faiths are shown abandoning their old beliefs and embracing this new, one world belief. If it were just about replacing outdated technology, they wouldn't have thrown all that other stuff in with it.

I say all this, by the way, as one who doesn't subscribe to any organized religion (be it Christianity, Judaism, or Islam). So I have no axe to grind. Just calling it like I see it.

whats the difference between the allegory of that final scene and what some people call "waking up to the NWO"? isnt it the same thing? waking up to a similar level of thought and consciousness about how the world works? that doesnt make it a "one world belief" just as people waking up to the NWO isnt a one world belief.

that is a GIANT leap to say that the end of ZA means, as you put it, "one world belief"

[Col3_11n12]

I have found this thread very moving.   I want to share this song, that comes straight from the heart:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjMiDZIY1bM

[SuzakaDusk]

Updated list for the 6th time

Here is the new talking points:

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well as most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper
5) solutions rather then fear mongering
6) at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution?
7) ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!
8 "Quite saying if we are against organized religion we are NWO shills!"
9) Christians are taking over the movement and labeling anyone who disagrees with them pro NWO.
10) AJ has become like his enemy Bill O'Reilly and is a total hypocrite.
11) "you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about"
12) "bible is full of myths and you Christians can't handle the truth.  So don't tell me Z is full of lies and NWO propeganda like your Christain myths."


These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years  , and will not listen as much in protest.

Rock, maybe this thread should be moved to the whinning section?? Just an idea perhaps?

[sociostudent]

Rock, maybe this thread should be moved to the whinning section?? Just an idea perhaps?

Nope, leave it here, it's a good update on the B.S.

[Rock]

I cant believe what a failure infowars have been on this whole situation, you even deleted my thread with criticism of Alex, (oh the irony)
and now you have a question poll on your front page saying

"Following Alex's discussion with Zeitgeist producer Peter Joseph, our question today is: Considering the limitations of human nature and societal conditioning, is a Utopian society achievable?"

This question actually bypass's the whole debate by not allowing people to vote on the issue because the question is leading in that your assuming that these limitations are natural when Peter was pointing out to you that they are created by the system so the question should be do you believe human limitation are natural or induced by the system, Instead you've used Orwellian language where anyway I vote I can only enforce your view,why are you becoming so ridiculous? its embarrassing and your losing my faith rapidly I cannot continue to endorse or listen to people who have become trapped in their own mental box.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=65042.msg340588#msg340588

[sociostudent]

here's a new video I put together just now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VStJm6roVy8
"Why I still listen to AJ"

[John Gault]

Updated list for the 6th time

Here is the new talking points:

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well as most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper
5) solutions rather then fear mongering
6) at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution?
7) ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!
8 "Quite saying if we are against organized religion we are NWO shills!"
9) Christians are taking over the movement and labeling anyone who disagrees with them pro NWO.
10) AJ has become like his enemy Bill O'Reilly and is a total hypocrite.
11) "you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about"
12) "bible is full of myths and you Christians can't handle the truth.  So don't tell me Z is full of lies and NWO propeganda like your Christain myths."


These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years  , and will not listen as much in protest.

I believe they come to this forum, just to show how intelligent they are. Notice how log their posts are and they really have nothing concrete to say. They truly lack substance in all their audacious rants. I will be surprised if some stay after this thread. They will probably earn all their post numbers right here and now.

Since Sane and you have drilled enough holes into their arguments, maybe you should move this thread into Off Topic/ Faux Controversies/ Whining Threads. Until they can prove (they won't) Zeitgeist is nothing more the repackaged pseudo science

[Ernest39]

The bottom line is there is about 80% good stuff in both movies... which could confuse the uninitiated into thinking that everything that is concluded in both movies is correct and good... they tug on you emotionally... should we fight for, and if need be die for these ideas..? These movies both carry this kind of conclusive energy... this is the danger of the Zeitgeist's... Like rat poison, which is 95% good and wholesome food... it is also 5% arsenic. if you don't separate the poison from the food and you ingest it, you will likely die!

The Zeitgeist's are not for the novice Truther/Patriot... it fills the newbie with what amounts to time release poison pills, along with the food. These find there way into area's of the conscious and sub-conscious mind that are needed for understanding our battle against the NWO bastids... Once they take root, the poison pill opinions formed are actually contrary to the liberty/patriot/truth movement's goals... These opinions are very hard to eradicate or change, because they are strongly attached to the individual desire to defeat the NWO, yet the methods and solutions shown play right into the hands of the globalists.

The control freak religion has many denominations, but all of them use some form of subtlety and suggestibility along with apparent respectability in their quest to gain control. Whether witting or unwitting these movies, like other collectivist utopist efforts, all ultimately bow to the NWO... and not to the cause of Liberty... IMHO.

JTCoyoté

I think that the above statement is absolutly correct, and should be remembered not only in the case of Zeitgeist, but all other forms of propaganda that is made to look good by putting a lot of truths in it, but has that little bit left that is not true, and that little bit will take away our freedom (for a greater good of course).

I would only like to add that in my opinion, the things Joseph said sounded like a form of communism to me. That same type of philosophy which holds to the belief that everyone is equal, everyone is the same, from each according to his ability; to each according to his needs. I think that it's unnatural and deprives man of wanting to better himself, his country, and his people.

Joseph says that anyone in his society would be able to go into a store and take what he needs. What about people that like to hoard? What about people that don't want to work, do they get the same share of goods as a person that busts his butt everyday working?

Mr. Joseph could not answer any of Alex's questions in detail, he left everything up in the air because he has no real answers. The only thing he could say was that the way to deprive people from doing bad things was to take away the money. Well Mr, Joeseph there was a time before money and some people were still bad, still greedy, still criminal. What the hell is Joseph talking about?

Lastly he said that there is no evidence of differences in people due to genetics. Wrong again. Scientists have studied identical twins that have been separated at birth and raised by different families. The results were that if one twin was good at math, the other was good too, if one was good at music, the other one was good at it too. The same thing applies to temperment, humor, work ethics, greed, creative ability, and more. Yes, environment does have an effect, but the programming in our DNA does not change by the amount of money we have in our pockets.

I believe in the free market system, but a well regulated one. We must keep fighting against parasites, whether in our streets, or in the offices of power.

Minnesota Twin Family Study
What's Special About Twins to Science?
http://www.psych.umn.edu/psylabs/mtfs/special.htm


http://freewill.typepad.com/genetics/

[Rock]

here's a new video I put together just now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VStJm6roVy8
"Why I still listen to AJ"

Good video!

[sociostudent]

Good video!

Hopefully he has Dr. Monteith on again real soon.

[xundk]

Updated list for the 6th time

Here is the new talking points:

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well as most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper
5) solutions rather then fear mongering
6) at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution?
7) ALL HAIL ALEX JONES!!! THE ONLY MAN ON EARTH WITH THE TRUTH!! ZEIG HEIL!!!
8 "Quite saying if we are against organized religion we are NWO shills!"
9) Christians are taking over the movement and labeling anyone who disagrees with them pro NWO.
10) AJ has become like his enemy Bill O'Reilly and is a total hypocrite.
11) "you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about"
12) "bible is full of myths and you Christians can't handle the truth.  So don't tell me Z is full of lies and NWO propeganda like your Christain myths."


These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years  , and will not listen as much in protest.

I have been a listener for a long time, and been on this forum for almost a year now I belive.
I will make this my last comment on this board, because I know see that it is pointles to try and argue political questions and NWO to a group of christians. I have stated again and again that this is NOT about religion in the term of what you belive. This is about how the belief is being used to control people. Nothing more. I don't care if you wortship christ, allah, budda, khrisna, Johnny depp or whomever. I think that alot of the people on this board really should sit back for a minute and THINK, instead of being on defcon 5 defence all the time. Try to look at what is being said as a whole, and not what little triggerwords you stumple upon.

Zeitgeist has been a massive tool for waking up people all over the world. Almost everyone I have woken up hated AJ, simply because he acts like a little child, but they could relate to zeitgeist, because it is presented in a professional manner. What people make of this movie is up to them, but I know that people that see this movie is starting to wake up and investigate. And I know that they will at some point come across AJ, David Icke and many others, and THEN get a whole picture.

Just because PJ has come to the conclusion that religion could be a fraud, doesn't mean he is wrong about the rest, does it? Because then AJ should be boxed along with PJ, because AJ is not always right...

I bid you all farewell, I cannot participate here anymore, simply because people can't have an open mind, and conseive that we might be able to think in a totally different way about life and society.

[John Gault]

Rock, maybe this thread should be moved to the whinning section?? Just an idea perhaps?

Damn you beat me to it.

Nope, leave it here, it's a good update on the B.S.

Never give anything, their subject has to be based in factual study. They haven't proven one BS sentence. But we should let you have your fun with them. So I will ask for the moderators move it later.

[Firewerk66]

I have been a listener for a long time, and been on this forum for almost a year now I belive.
I will make this my last comment on this board, because I know see that it is pointles to try and argue political questions and NWO to a group of christians. I have stated again and again that this is NOT about religion in the term of what you belive. This is about how the belief is being used to control people. Nothing more. I don't care if you wortship christ, allah, budda, khrisna, Johnny depp or whomever. I think that alot of the people on this board really should sit back for a minute and THINK, instead of being on defcon 5 defence all the time. Try to look at what is being said as a whole, and not what little triggerwords you stumple upon.

Zeitgeist has been a massive tool for waking up people all over the world. Almost everyone I have woken up hated AJ, simply because he acts like a little child, but they could relate to zeitgeist, because it is presented in a professional manner. What people make of this movie is up to them, but I know that people that see this movie is starting to wake up and investigate. And I know that they will at some point come across AJ, David Icke and many others, and THEN get a whole picture.

Just because PJ has come to the conclusion that religion could be a fraud, doesn't mean he is wrong about the rest, does it? Because then AJ should be boxed along with PJ, because AJ is not always right...

I bid you all farewell, I cannot participate here anymore, simply because people can't have an open mind, and conseive that we might be able to think in a totally different way about life and society.

i'm in the same boat. long time listener, but feel like this isnt a place for true open discussion anymore. from now on I'll get my info from David Icke, he's more of what i prefer stylistically.

[Rock]

I believe they come to this forum, just to show how intelligent they are. Notice how log their posts are and they really have nothing concrete to say. They truly lack substance in all their audacious rants. I will be surprised if some stay after this thread. They will probably earn all their post numbers right here and now.

Since Sane and you have drilled enough holes into their arguments, maybe you should move this thread into Off Topic/ Faux Controversies/ Whining Threads. Until they can prove (they won't) Zeitgeist is nothing more the repackaged pseudo science

Good points.  But I want this thread here to expose the new religion for what it is.  Then, once all talking points can be disseminated and argued ad nausum, we will then move this to the religion section.

I have no real problem with their new found faith because I know it could never happen, unless the NWO forces a part of it.  I just wished they would quit trying to divide members here and unite by admitting this is their faith, and stop trying to force us to except their faith.

[agentbluescreen]

But now that everybody knows that ZA is the Zeitgeist Bamboozle to trick the viewer into acceptic occult luciferian doctrine, AJ feels understandibly confused about PJ's intentions.  He allowed PJ to explain himself for 2 hgours which only reiterated the luciferian futurism doublespeak.  AJ did further research and realized that ZA is indeed creating an attraction to NWO dogma, one world scientific technocracy.

Will you people please get it straight that those Corporate Episcopalianists (primarily Anglican-Fascists) who worshit St Paul's Satan God are the 'luciferians' who are the Old World Order who seek to stage the Armageddon Battle second holocaust destroying the entire Asian continent and Middle East to forward their secret, evil Satanic Religionist Goals! It is Satan and Caesar Worshipping three God Episcopalian Corporate Fascism that is the Church of Satan! (abomination of desolation) and they who run the Federal Reserve Banking system and the MI6/CIA/MOSSAD Mafia Corporate Military Industrial Terrorist Network that enslaves us!

These UN New Age 'heathens' and their pacific, constructive institute of new ideas are our friends with just as much right to have wierd religious beliefs as everybody else does!

Stop this infighting! Our little theosophist buddies are on our side, the side of love, peace and truth!

[John Gault]

Good points.  But I want this thread here to expose the new religion for what it is.  Then, once all talking points can be disseminated and argued ad nausum, we will then move this to the religion section.

I have no real problem with their new found faith because I know it could never happen, unless the NWO forces a part of it.  I just wished they would quit trying to divide members here and unite by admitting this is their faith, and stop trying to force us to except their faith.

Agreed. The member's are probably enjoying this rigorous debate.  

[sociostudent]

Agreed. The member's are probably enjoying this rigorous debate.  

Well, it's not every day that all hell breaks loose with a religion vs. spirituality debate.

[Dolphin]

Awww you are being Christian bashed? You don't like myths in the bible being exposed so that means you are being bashed huh? Well cry me a river dude some of the stuff in the bible just isn't true, it is not my fault your beliefs don't allow for that truth to be uttered by anyone without turning on them yourself. By the way I am NOT an athiest or an agnostic for the record. I happen to think the philosophy attributed to Jesus is the best way to live your life.

do you get a stage with that humor of yours? yes I am and I believe 100% of everything in that book period, you know there is an interesting part which I am using here;

"Never give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs. Otherwise, they will trample them with their feet and then turn around and attack you."

If I said the solution I would be inviting those that don't believe as I do to trample my pearl under foot.

(edited : really should learn to read the entire post before I post)

[John Gault]

Well, it's not every day that all hell breaks loose with a religion vs. spirituality debate.

   I do not think they believe in hell. Enjoy your time with them, but I think most of them have run out of steam.

[sociostudent]

  I do not think they believe in hell. Enjoy your time with them, but I think most of them have run out of steam.

I'm kind of relieved, actually. I was getting kinda tired.

[Dig]

OK, a respectful response from you, i'll respond.

FACT 1: Krishnamurti broke off all ties with Theosophy as well as all dogma and organized religion ie he (in his later life) had ZERO to do with Blavatsky, Pike etc. If you are all really looking for truth, you cannot deny this fact. You can read the transcript here.
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/star.htm

This seems to be a debatable point, please see the thread regarding how it is a falsity that he denied nothing.  He continued communicating until 1973 as the world christ figure was being promoted: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=64228.0 .

But notwithstanding the debate, you will agree that he was the world christ figure for theological society and a disciple of blatlavsky who also also was hitler's spiritual mentor.  So these films to promote the once or still "world christ" figure.  But the film goes into all this anger tward religion. Why even have an old christ figure promoted while all other religions are downgraded and made fun of?  Doesn't this go to the point of these films not being about anti-religion, but anti-freedom of religion?  I mean the fact that a world christ figure (either before or now) presents the hallmark philosophy for this new world design should send chills down any atheist or agnostic's spine.  They talk about technology, but the philosophy comes from a once thought of christ figure for occultist satanists...

You cannot make this shit up.

FACT 2: Alex Jones is ignorant to the FULL story and philosophy of Krishnamurti. Its like he read the firs paragraph of the story, saw the words "world teacher", "theosophy",  Blavatsky" etc. and stopped reading and said "OK, thats it, this is the same thing as Satanism, Bohemian Grove, etc.." He is making giant leaps of faith in associating the religion of the NWO to JK's philosophy. There simply is NO connection.

No matter what the full story is, the films obviously hide the fact that a once satanic christ figure is at the heart of the philosophy of the new world social construct.  If what you are saying is true and he disavowed everything, then why is he and his words prominantly accented in the films?  We were all led to believe that the philosophy is just a new concept regarding freeing labor, technology, and resources when in actuality there is an undeniable religiousness to it.

MY OPINION: admittedly, PJ's world view is idealistic at worst. why should he be bashed for that? is he knowingly spreading disinfo and NWO propaganda? No.

I can totally and completely respect that opinion and I still do not see that anyone bashed him, we are just frustrated concerning the "coincidental" parallels with his vision and HG Wells, ALbert Pike.  We are additionally frustrated that he seems to brush off questions regarding this.

ANOTHER OPINION: AJ when speaking to Burmas yesterday contradicted himself when talking about ZA's "utopia". He said that this Theosphic utopia is exactly what the NWO wants to achieve. If thats the case, then where does AJ's FIRST concept of a "post apocalyptic police state" fit in? His "Endgame" scenario? People being beaten in to small, compact cities and dominated by fascist police? What is it Alex? Is it the Endgame police state? Or is it a Theosophic utopia?

Well I can additionally respect your opinion on this, but I think AJ has gone into detail how we are tricked (Mao, Stalin, etc.) with visions of this theosphic utopia only to find a 1984 type scanenario.  He has talked about this many times.