Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[Dok]

Hey look the UN is one step ahead of Zeitgeist

Well Theosophy is the religion of the U.N.
THE OCCULT CHARACTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/occult_character_un.htm

The United Nations has long been one of the foremost world harbingers for the "New Spirituality" and the gathering "New World Order" based on ancient occult and freemasonic principles. Seven years after the birth of the U.N., a book was published by the theosophist and founder of the Lucis Trust, Alice Bailey, claiming that "Evidence of the growth of the human intellect along the needed receptive lines [for the preparation of the New Age] can be seen in the "planning" of various nations and in the efforts of the United Nations to formulate a world plan... From the very start of this un-foldment, three occult factors have governed the development of all these plans". [Alice B. Bailey, Discipleship in the New Age (Lucis Press, 1955), Vol.II, p.35.]

[Dig]

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsiblity to bring that about?"
- Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

Hey, since he is also connected to Rockefeller/Rothschild...do you think he may be behind a lot of the financial mess we are in?

[2Revolutions]

Well Theosophy is the religion of the U.N.
THE OCCULT CHARACTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/occult_character_un.htm

The United Nations has long been one of the foremost world harbingers for the "New Spirituality" and the gathering "New World Order" based on ancient occult and freemasonic principles. Seven years after the birth of the U.N., a book was published by the theosophist and founder of the Lucis Trust, Alice Bailey, claiming that "Evidence of the growth of the human intellect along the needed receptive lines [for the preparation of the New Age] can be seen in the "planning" of various nations and in the efforts of the United Nations to formulate a world plan... From the very start of this un-foldment, three occult factors have governed the development of all these plans". [Alice B. Bailey, Discipleship in the New Age (Lucis Press, 1955), Vol.II, p.35.]

We have all seen how the UN plans and manages in Africa.  Depopulate through biological warfare with vaccines, AIDS, etc.  If they manage to live establish puppet governments that loot the wealth and rack up debt on the poor people's backs.  Steal the resources of the Africa (Cecil Rhodes) and create artifical scarcity.  Diamonds of forever 

[Alias1975]

what you are saying has some validity, but PJ just glosses over secret societies rather than exposing them.  He almost acts like they are irrelevant whereas you are suggesting that a 306 million person exposure of them will render them impotent.  without a continual dissemination of truth, peaceful confrontation, and exposure of the deceptive nature, this will be difficult.

Don't you think that it was odd how PJ just almost ignored this issue until AJ brought it up numerous times?

My take on it was that PJ was saying they are irrelevant because of the point i made. Faced with a world where the majority of the population is aware of whats going on these huge organisations and powerful secret societies that seem so overwhelming and in control are rendered impotent.

[Dok]

We have all seen how the UN plans and manages in Africa.  Depopulate through biological warfare with vaccines, AIDS, etc.  If they manage to live establish puppet governments that loot the wealth and rack up debt on the poor people's backs.  Steal the resources of the Africa (Cecil Rhodes) and create artifical scarcity.  Diamonds of forever 

Here read this and you wil see just how far Theosophy is indwelled into the Global Order and the UN.
And remember Margaret Sanger is a Theosophist.

The Population Control Agenda
http://www.radioliberty.com/pca.htm

[Dig]

My take on it was that PJ was saying they are irrelevant because of the point i made. Faced with a world where the majority of the population is aware of whats going on these huge organisations and powerful secret societies that seem so overwhelming and in control are rendered impotent.

again I am confused.  PJ did not say what you said.  He brushed it off as immaterial and only semi-addressed it because of "AJ's WWF tactics."

So which is it?

Is PJ a seasoned debater that exposes AJ is out of his league, or is he a frail innocent uneducated naivete that requires more intelligent bloggers to clarify all of his sophmoric errors?

The dichotic character created by PJ supporters is perplexing.

I guess he is a constantly shifting enigma that is anything, anywhere, to answer any question by anyone.

This is really starting to meld into Logan's Run...Carousel coming.

[Rock]

"Alex was out of depth with the superior knowledge of PJ."

Ok I will add this later.  Lets add a few more at that time.  Be back an an hour

[Dig]

I think there is a major blind spot between Alex Jones and the guy Alex Jones interviewed about Zeitgeist Addendum.

I liked the film but not really the solution.

The blind spot I think is them not being able to see how all the solutions to our problems will never ever come from an externally authority, system, or entity. The solutions to all our problems will come from within. We all have to look on the inside and transform to change all the out side chaos we witness. We have to cure our consciousness. I think meditation, a spiritual practice, and Ayahuasca would help a lot.

I think Buddhism has an important role to play in clearing up this blind spot.

"Evil" is not an external noun. It is not an external entity. If it has to be some kind entity then it is internal I think because, both Buddha and Christ seclude themselves in the wilderness and is confronted and tempted by Mara&Satan. I am confident that in the orthodox Christian faith, Satan, is regarded as an external entity. A Fallen Angel but, in Buddhism, Mara is seen as a kind of internal psychological misunderstanding. I guess you can call it, Ego.

Going back to Uh, madam blavotski as being evil. I just want to say that Michael Tsarion, someone Alex had on his show, has said that people made her out to be evil when she was actually one of the good guys

Well,

Loving Kindness   

do you happen to have that quote by Tsarion and a link?

thanks

[Atomic]

Funny how G. Edward Griffin does not mention that he worked closely with Peter Joseph on Zeitgeist The Movie and was largly responsible for the financial section of the film. He also appeared at the premier of Zeitgeist The Movie on stage with Peter Joseph and promoted the film. I taped the talk and have it which I will post on youtube if Mr. Griffin does not admit his involvement in the first film. He is acting like he has nothing to do with Peter Joseph and does not even know him.

[Geolibertarian]

Funny how G. Edward Griffin does not mention that he worked closely with Peter Joseph on Zeitgeist The Movie and was largly responsible for the financial section of the film. He also appeared at the premier of Zeitgeist The Movie on stage with Peter Joseph and promoted the film. I taped the talk and have it which I will post on youtube if Mr. Griffin does not admit his involvement in the first film. He is acting like he has nothing to do with Peter Joseph and does not even know him.

If he was indeed involved in the making of the first one, then he'll probably just say he didn't know what the end product was going to be like, or that the money section of the 2nd film is different in certain key respects from that of the first one.

[2Revolutions]

Here read this and you wil see just how far Theosophy is indwelled into the Global Order and the UN.
And remember Margaret Sanger is a Theosophist.

The Population Control Agenda
http://www.radioliberty.com/pca.htm

I didn't know that Margaret Sanger was a Theosophist, but I am not surprised. Thanks for information doktorschnabelvonrom.  I am reading the link now.  It is exciting when truthseekers come together and each person provides information and another one expands on it.  

[agentbluescreen]

again I am confused.  PJ did not say what you said.  He brushed it off as immaterial and only semi-addressed it because of "AJ's WWF tactics."

So which is it?

Is PJ a seasoned debater that exposes AJ is out of his league, or is he a frail innocent uneducated naivete that requires more intelligent bloggers to clarify all of his sophmoric errors?

The dichotic character created by PJ supporters is perplexing.

I guess he is a constantly shifting enigma that is anything, anywhere, to answer any question by anyone.

This is really starting to meld into Logan's Run...Carousel coming.

While I sympathize with the Logans Run analogy, this second film raises many more prudent and controversial truths that many people, and I am coming to realize, here including many of Us seemingly myopic rabid anti- "New World Order" monkeys, simply DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT.

If 1776 is the answer to 2001 then let us review history properly:

Thomas Payne was the father of the American Revolution against the Imperial Mercantile Monopolist Monetarist noble Tory and elite Whig Cabals of the then 'globalist' corporate Anglican-Episcopal National Fascist 'conservative' tyranny of the 2nd Reich. More so than any other campaigner of the beleaguered and unjustly exploited 'terrorist' (terrorism is the voting booth of tyranny) rebels he set forth the principles and of philosophical wisdom that laid the course for the New World Order that by anointing a paper Constitutional tyrant of individual rights over a new representative democracy of Republican Liberty and instituting and honestly expandable currency and a Well-Regulated Free to-fairly-compete-in World Trade Market systems we could all free ourselves from slavery, persecution and oppression.

The idea was that through these fair and just policies our new system would bury the evil, selfish, greedy, vile and pernicious corruption of the Old World Order of imperial plunder, debt slavery, religious persecution, monopolist commercial exploitation and tyranny.

 As Thomas Payne said "we are citizens of the world" Our American Revolution was a VICTORY FOR THE WHOLE WORLD that was carelessly tossed away in WWI by moron Wilson, and then fully subsumed by the OLD WORLD ORDER in 1947 when idiot Truman surrendered to Churchill, the worlds last and most evil surviving expert in fascist conservatist tyranny at Potsdam!

I agree with most everything in this movie except Krishnamurti's (and PJ's) DEEPLY FLAWED assertion that Our Savior Jesus Christ ALONE, (and not that vile and evil Episco-Paul-ianism) in His Most Perfect and Excellently Correct PRIME teachings of the 2 NEW COVENANT Commandment-Laws of Love are not to be our master, teacher and guide towards this second, coming re-establishment of the Brave New World Order our forefathers originally brought forth in this great nation in 1776!!!

A re-invigorated just and true Global United States of the World is the correct and only equitable and fair solution, the question is will it be like this mess our whoring with Great Britain has left us or like that our forefathers fought for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU-XaLhMZo0

"Crappy-Bad-Old Neo-Old World Order" or shiny new "Great-Good-Loving New World Order" is the choice my friends --- there is and shall not by any "OTHER".. unless you seek anarchy, or the current "UN" fraud of being 'peers' with despots!

 

[Atomic]

Too bad this had to happen but oh well let the chips fall where they may. Let me know when Alex or any of you have any solutions for the problems we face other then bullhorning which the NWO can and does just ignore (been there done that many times). When you do come up with some solutions don't be surprised if you get labeled as NWO scum for talking about them. Don't be shocked when your ideas are totally missunderstood as well, as a plot to co-opt the truth movement. Really a shame it had to go this way and devide further an already devided movement.

You know if you had real questions for Peter about the film or doubts about it, whatever, you could have tried to talk about them and use your intellect to make these points instead of just labelling him an NWO shill, illuminati front man. Hell if you had done that in an open calm forum giving PJ a chance to respond Alex may have even won over a whole lot of people in the process. This way it just looks to me like Alex had it in for Peter because in the first film Peter exposed many of the myths in the Bible of which there are MANY. People don't like having their myths exploded I guess. That is why 9/11 truth is so hard for people to accept because it explodes their myth that our government is basically good and would never do terrible things to us like 9/11. You guys are the same with religion as the people who deny 9/11 truth are. You don't want your myths exposed. Sadly that is where Alex and you are, is living in a myth and because PJ exposed that myth you consider him an enemy and now you are attacking him like he is an enemy. Shameful.

P.S. And if you think I am a shill or whatever know this. I am the person who sent Alex the original footage of the Martin Sheen interview that he used in Truth Rising (I own the original footage) and he can contact me at the same e-mail address. I WAS in WAC Los Angeles. I was on Alex's show the day that interview was broadcast and had to run around like a chicken with my head cut off to get the audio rendered for him before the show ended. So shove your shill comments up where the sun don't shine idiots you are alienating people that used to be on your side.

P.P.S. Funny how G. Edward Griffin does not mention that he worked closely with Peter Joseph on Zeitgeist The Movie and was largly responsible for the financial section of the film. He also appeared at the premier of Zeitgeist The Movie on stage with Peter Joseph and promoted the film. I taped the talk and have it which I will post on youtube if Mr. Griffin does not admit his involvement in the first film. He is acting like he has nothing to do with Peter Joseph and does not even know him. I have the footage and can prove what I say.

[Rock]

Too bad this had to happen but oh well let the chips fall where they may. Let me know when Alex or any of you have any solutions for the problems we face other then bullhorning which the NWO can and does just ignore (been there done that many times). When you do come up with some solutions don't be surprised if you get labeled as NWO scum for talking about them. Don't be shocked when your ideas are totally missunderstood as well, as a plot to co-opt the truth movement. Really a shame it had to go this way and devide further an already devided movement.

You know if you had real questions for Peter about the film or doubts about it, whatever, you could have tried to talk about them and use your intellect to make these points instead of just labelling him an NWO shill, illuminati front man. Hell if you had done that in an open calm forum giving PJ a chance to respond Alex may have even won over a whole lot of people in the process. This way it just looks to me like Alex had it in for Peter because in the first film Peter exposed many of the myths in the Bible of which there are MANY. People don't like having their myths exploded I guess. That is why 9/11 truth is so hard for people to accept because it explodes their myth that our government is basically good and would never do terrible things to us like 9/11. You guys are the same with religion as the people who deny 9/11 truth are. You don't want your myths exposed. Sadly that is where Alex and you are, is living in a myth and because PJ exposed that myth you consider him an enemy and now you are attacking him like he is an enemy. Shameful.

P.S. And if you think I am a shill or whatever know this. I am the person who sent Alex the original footage of the Martin Sheen interview that he used in Truth Rising (I own the original footage) and he can contact me at the same e-mail address. I WAS in WAC Los Angeles. I was on Alex's show the day that interview was broadcast and had to run around like a chicken with my head cut off to get the audio rendered for him before the show ended. So shove your shill comments up where the sun don't shine idiots you are alienating people that used to be on your side.

P.P.S. Funny how G. Edward Griffin does not mention that he worked closely with Peter Joseph on Zeitgeist The Movie and was largly responsible for the financial section of the film. He also appeared at the premier of Zeitgeist The Movie on stage with Peter Joseph and promoted the film. I taped the talk and have it which I will post on youtube if Mr. Griffin does not admit his involvement in the first film. He is acting like he has nothing to do with Peter Joseph and does not even know him. I have the footage and can prove what I say.

Truther"s can go religious.  You did.  And I will stick up for your right to believe in this new found faith.  I don't want you to pit yourself against the other religious truthers.  Don't divide us, join us in freedom of religion.

PS. you covered three of the new talking points


Rock

[Atomic]

Truther"s can go religious.  You did.  And I will stick up for your right to believe in this new found faith.  I don't want you to pit yourself against the other religious truthers.  Don't divide us, join us in freedom of religion.

PS. you covered three of the new talking points


Rock

You know something Rock if Alex or you have some real concerns with PJ or what he stands for or his ideas you could have taken him to task calmly and rationally on the show and laid out step by step what the problems are. Alex would have won over a lot of people that way and I may have even said to myself wow Alex is right about that point or this point etc. That chance is gone now and the fact that Alex essentially just bullied him and did not calmly and cooly show us what is wrong with PJs ideas tells me that Alex is most likely the one who is wrong. Whatever you declare war on your friends and start throwing bombs around so don't be surprised if you lose friends. BTW Paranoia is so rampant here it is a wonder you all don't think your own parents are illuminati.

[Rock]

You know something Rock if Alex or you have some real concerns with PJ or what he stands for or his ideas you could have taken him to task calmly and rationally on the show and laid out step by step what the problems are. Alex would have won over a lot of people that way and I may have even said to myself wow Alex is right about that point or this point etc. That chance is gone now and the fact that Alex essentially just bullied him and did not calmly and cooly show us what is wrong with PJs ideas tells me that Alex is most likely the one who is wrong. Whatever you declare war on your friends and start throwing bombs around so don't be surprised if you lose friends. BTW Paranoia is so rampant here it is a wonder you all don't think your own parents are illuminati.

Are we back to the WWF talking point?

[Dig]

Funny how G. Edward Griffin does not mention that he worked closely with Peter Joseph on Zeitgeist The Movie and was largly responsible for the financial section of the film. He also appeared at the premier of Zeitgeist The Movie on stage with Peter Joseph and promoted the film. I taped the talk and have it which I will post on youtube if Mr. Griffin does not admit his involvement in the first film. He is acting like he has nothing to do with Peter Joseph and does not even know him.

Both Griffin and AJ gave clips to PJ for Zeitgeist.  AJ even talks about how he allowed PJ to make a profit off of AJ's clip.  So again we come to the dichotic PJ.  AJ obviously does not try to control the message or he would not have done that.  But now that everybody knows that ZA is the Zeitgeist Bamboozle to trick the viewer into acceptic occult luciferian doctrine, AJ feels understandibly confused about PJ's intentions.  He allowed PJ to explain himself for 2 hgours which only reiterated the luciferian futurism doublespeak.  AJ did further research and realized that ZA is indeed creating an attraction to NWO dogma, one world scientific technocracy.

[Dok]

Logan's Run - Pilot - Part 2
About 4 and half min into it, it really shows how a Zeitgeist society will work and the shadowy Cabal that runs the show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ZPSYDheJM&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&emb=0&aq=f&q=theosophy

[Dig]

While I sympathize with the Logans Run analogy, this second film raises many more prudent and controversial truths that many people, and I am coming to realize, here including many of Us seemingly myopic rabid anti- "New World Order" monkeys, simply DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT.

If 1776 is the answer to 2001 then let us review history properly:

Thomas Payne was the father of the American Revolution against the Imperial Mercantile Monopolist Monetarist noble Tory and elite Whig Cabals of the then 'globalist' corporate Anglican-Episcopal National Fascist 'conservative' tyranny of the 2nd Reich. More so than any other campaigner of the beleaguered and unjustly exploited 'terrorist' (terrorism is the voting booth of tyranny) rebels he set forth the principles and of philosophical wisdom that laid the course for the New World Order that by anointing a paper Constitutional tyrant of individual rights over a new representative democracy of Republican Liberty and instituting and honestly expandable currency and a Well-Regulated Free to-fairly-compete-in World Trade Market systems we could all free ourselves from slavery, persecution and oppression.

The idea was that through these fair and just policies our new system would bury the evil, selfish, greedy, vile and pernicious corruption of the Old World Order of imperial plunder, debt slavery, religious persecution, monopolist commercial exploitation and tyranny.

 As Thomas Payne said "we are citizens of the world" Our American Revolution was a VICTORY FOR THE WHOLE WORLD that was carelessly tossed away in WWI by moron Wilson, and then fully subsumed by the OLD WORLD ORDER in 1947 when idiot Truman surrendered to Churchill, the worlds last and most evil surviving expert in fascist conservatist tyranny at Potsdam!

I agree with most everything in this movie except Krishnamurti's (and PJ's) DEEPLY FLAWED assertion that Our Savior Jesus Christ ALONE, (and not that vile and evil Episco-Paul-ianism) in His Most Perfect and Excellently Correct PRIME teachings of the 2 NEW COVENANT Commandment-Laws of Love are not to be our master, teacher and guide towards this second, coming re-establishment of the Brave New World Order our forefathers originally brought forth in this great nation in 1776!!!

A re-invigorated just and true Global United States of the World is the correct and only equitable and fair solution, the question is will it be like this mess our whoring with Great Britain has left us or like that our forefathers fought for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU-XaLhMZo0

"Crappy-Bad-Old Neo-Old World Order" or shiny new "Great-Good-Loving New World Order" is the choice my friends --- there is and shall not by any "OTHER".. unless you seek anarchy, or the current "UN" fraud of being 'peers' with despots!

 

hahahaha, oh man this is like McCain v. Obama...

YOU CANNOT HAVE ANY OTHER CHOICE DAMMIT!!!

WE DECIDE THE CHOICES AND THIS IS ALL WE ARE GIVING YOU!!!

RESISTENCE IS FUTILE!!!

PICK YOUR LESSER EVIL NOW!!!

what an amazing acknowledgement that Z is in fact total NWO propaganda

[Rock]

Logan's Run - Pilot - Part 2
About 4 and half min into it, it really shows how a Zeitgeist society will work and the shadowy Cabal that runs the show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9ZPSYDheJM&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&emb=0&aq=f&q=theosophy

HAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHA 4 minutes in

"Ever wonder how things get run?"  "You don't work very hard and yet you have everything you need?"

Man I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove that clip.  That is Z-world for you!

[Dig]

Yo. I heard Alex saying that the first Zeitgeist got a bunch of info on religion wrong and had to change it. I was wondering what changes were made and where can I find before and after info?

I'd also like to take this time to comment. I just heard the interview today and I have some funny feelings. First, I thought Alex was being a bit childish at times and didn't give Peter his fair time. I noticed he'd play extended music while Peter was talking that was drawing attention away from what he was saying. He also kept interrupting Peter every time he was making a point and Alex was acting like he didn't understand the point Peter was making. Also, I noticed Alex being very tactful about hearing Peters words off air (or internet rather) then coming back and "summing up" the conversation to the full audience.

While I understand why Alex is so upset, I don't think these spin tactics were ethical or called for and yes, people did notice. This gives more credit to Peter who.. whether NWO or not, is still promoting a very dangerous idea.

This is what I got out of it.. so tell me if you agree or not. What Peter was trying to say is when people are born they are not good or bad. They are brought up a certain way and hence grow up to be like that. It's all a matter of circumstance and environment. Peter is advocating changing the environment so people will grow up to love society and understand that (as David Icke says) we are "infinite consciousness" and one. However. The only way this will work is if we kill 99% of the population and start over because people will NEVER unite. Which may very well be their entire plan to begin with.

I agree with Peter that this would be a perfect world in that sense. The problem is this theory is the same as saying we will one day travel to the edge of the universe. It's completely improbable, impractical and completely too far fetched... at least for our time. Maybe after another 6 thousand years of evolution we will be able to achieve this "utopia" but I think we are at least 60,000 years away.

I definitely see the NWO agenda in the Addendum. As a matter of fact while I was watching it I looked at my wife and said "this is bullshit". It's socialism 100%. However with a slightly expanded consciousness I was able to understand how socialism is a perversion of this "perfect plan" for lack of a better word.

In conclusion I feel that Peter's motives are just and that he has expanded his consciousness enough to understand the world he proposes. However this plan will always remain a "thesis" and nothing more. Had we started the world in this manner then yes, it would work. But unless you destroy all of humanity with only a few "utopians" left alive (for lack of a better term) to repopulate the earth and raise the people in that environment, there will always be people still stuck in the personal gain and wealth mentality.

So I applaud Peter for being able to imagine a world outside of the ordinary and I applaud Alex for brinigng the similarities between socialism and the "utopian world theory". Many good meaning people can be mislead by the NWO with films like Addendum because of the striking similarities. However if I can reference the bible without being misunderstood "satan will mimic god". Or to put it another way... evil will mimic good, therefore the NWO's plan for control (which is absolutely unclean and evil intended) will have striking similarities to Peter's proposal (which I believe is pure and spiritually healthy once you elevate yourself to that level).

Hey Chris, try and watch the video when you get a chance without the commercial interuptions.  I have watched it like 4x now and it is really amazing the control that AJ has.  In addition, the sigh let out by PJ when AJ plays the clip "Things to Come" by HG Wells shows that he really does not want this information getting to the public and acted childish himself. AJ allowed PJ to say more than him.  He gave him an overwhelmingly fair chance for over 2 hours.  I really wish there was a transcript because AJ only broke in to point out the NWO one world religion dogma being spewed.  In addition, PJ ignored many questions and kept going into "you do not understand the social order of man" diatribes.  AJ keppt trying to get things focused so people could see what was going on.  In addition check out yesterday's show and you may find more evidence that AJ was way too easy on this guy.  PJ has selective intellect.  He has a wealth of knowledge concerning 9/11, false flag terrorism, fractional reserve banking, etc. then sheer and complete ignorance concerning secret societies, the new world order, HG Wells, UN, CFR, Bilderberg.  I guess this could just be coincidental, but if so then why shouldn't these gaps in his logic be pointed out as AJ did?

But that being said, the rest of your analysis seems spot on.  Thanks!

[Dolphin]

Too bad this had to happen but oh well let the chips fall where they may. Let me know when Alex or any of you have any solutions for the problems we face other then bullhorning which the NWO can and does just ignore (been there done that many times). When you do come up with some solutions don't be surprised if you get labeled as NWO scum for talking about them. Don't be shocked when your ideas are totally missunderstood as well, as a plot to co-opt the truth movement. Really a shame it had to go this way and devide further an already devided movement.

The solution is simple however then you'll go on a Christian bashing crusade on that basis I refuse to give you the solution because you likely already know it.

[Another_Ron_Paul_Supporte]

A steer gets everything it needs... for a while.

[Firewerk66]

HAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHA

"Ever wonder how things get run?"  "You don't work very hard and yet you have everything you need?"

Man I Loooooooooooooooooooooooove that clip.  That is Z-world for you!

yeah, thats it. you guys got it. thats exactly what he proposes in ZA. in the final analysis a lot of you "truthers" are just as elitist as the people you are fighting against, not to mention childish and closed minded. thats what our dogma will do for you.

[Dig]

yeah, thats it. you guys got it. thats exactly what he proposes in ZA. in the final analysis a lot of you "truthers" are just as elitist as the people you are fighting against, not to mention childish and closed minded. thats what our dogma will do for you.

You really hate reality don't you?

I guess the all world christ on earth Krishnamurti can give you some alternative prophecized reality as did Albert Pike and Blatavsy. 

[Alias1975]

You know something Rock if Alex or you have some real concerns with PJ or what he stands for or his ideas you could have taken him to task calmly and rationally on the show and laid out step by step what the problems are. Alex would have won over a lot of people that way and I may have even said to myself wow Alex is right about that point or this point etc. That chance is gone now and the fact that Alex essentially just bullied him and did not calmly and cooly show us what is wrong with PJs ideas tells me that Alex is most likely the one who is wrong. Whatever you declare war on your friends and start throwing bombs around so don't be surprised if you lose friends. BTW Paranoia is so rampant here it is a wonder you all don't think your own parents are illuminati.

This is my point too, ive listened to yesterdays show now and Alex even admits he was under-prepared for the interview with PJ, because of that he resorted to being very childish. I really would have liked to have seen how PJ would have handled some serious questions, and i think it would have made a much more interesting interview. That chance is probably gone now as id be surprised if PJ wants to go through that again.

So many people in this movement are caught up in the day to day meat and potato problems and living that every day can get very depressing, personally i think its important we have people like David Icke out there looking at other aspects to this existence and offering other solutions instead of just buying guns and food.

I could have sworn Alex spent a lot of time very recently saying how he was fed up of all this in fighting and how he'd had enough and wasn't going to play that game anymore but listening to him yesterday and today hes really been sucked back into that, based primarily on his Christian beliefs and it doesn't do this cause any good.

[eagle74]

What if "science" dictates the carrying capacity of the earth if 500 million?  What loving mechanisms will be used to control human population to a "sustainable" level?


I'm sure there's already some scientists involved in similar research. God knows their numbers must be alot less than 6 billion.

I wonder what PJ thinks of the georgia guidestones as a basis for a future civ.

[Geolibertarian]

I submit that hostile debates like this merely validate the point I made in another thread about the need for educating people about the Universal Ethic:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=50916.0

If we all worked together to change our public institutions so that all of their laws and policies were harmonious with that Ethic, neither side of this debate would perceive the other as a threat, and we could all go out for a beer.

How's that for utopian thinking! 

[Dig]

This is my point too, ive listened to yesterdays show now and Alex even admits he was under-prepared for the interview with PJ, because of that he resorted to being very childish. I really would have liked to have seen how PJ would have handled some serious questions, and i think it would have made a much more interesting interview. That chance is probably gone now as id be surprised if PJ wants to go through that again.

So many people in this movement are caught up in the day to day meat and potato problems and living that every day can get very depressing, personally i think its important we have people like David Icke out there looking at other aspects to this existence and offering other solutions instead of just buying guns and food.

I could have sworn Alex spent a lot of time very recently saying how he was fed up of all this in fighting and how he'd had enough and wasn't going to play that game anymore but listening to him yesterday and today hes really been sucked back into that, based primarily on his Christian beliefs and it doesn't do this cause any good.

Just cannot give up on the exposed BS talking point huh.  Please watch the video often to see how much PJ got to state his "case".  Unfortunately he did not do a very good job, hence the rise in Zboozled posts.  And on yesterday's show it becomes even more obvious the NWO agenda in Zitzkreig Adumdum.

But the best talking point is the one that says, "do not divide the movement."

ZA is NWO propaganda for a satanic one world order.  Exposing this does not divide the movement, it keeps it from being hijacked by NWO satanists.

[Atomic]

Are we back to the WWF talking point?

Yeah Rock we are back to deviding the hell out of the truth movement. Look man if Alex is so sure PJ is a NWO shill he should be able to talk to him man to man on the air and show why he thinks that and give PJ a chance to respond. Instead he is assassinating him on his show, missrepresenting what PJ said and what the film contains and creating a huge false perception. You know it is obvious you are not interested in talking about anything, you just want to dismiss me and everyone else who does not agree with the way PJ was treated. So dismiss us all dude, whatever makes you feel better, hell you are a mod so ban me, ban us all. Whatever it takes to block out what we are saying. If you want to believe that PJ or me are trying to destroy your religion or stop you somehow from being a christian or whatever, go ahead and believe it. It isn't true but why should that stop you from believing it anyway. All PJ or I have said is that the bible is full of a lot of myths which it is and that people who control religions like the Vatican for example have used it as a tool to control large masses of people. The philosophy attributed to Jesus is outstanding and I think people should live their lives that way following the golden rule etc. If you think we who found ideas to think about in Zeitgeist are missing something say what it is and talk about it don't just say oh well it is a lot like H.G. Wells or some UN plot or whatever and then attack, yes like the WWF. If you can't make your point in a rational calm debate/discussion then you know something maybe your point isn't that good. Hell I have some concerns about Zeitgeist and questions but I am not going to start attacking PJ without giving him a chance even to answer. You and Alex seem to have forgotten one very simple point: Maybe just Maybe PJ is not talking about Marxism or whatever you seem to think he is talking about, maybe you don't understand his point. You know occasionally that does happen you know. Do any of you or Alex allow for that possibility that you missunderstand him? NOPE, full throtle attack. You are all so arrogant that you think people like myself cannot think critically about Zeitgeist as well. In your view we are all to stupid to realize we are being pulled into an NWO cult. I am not stupid Buddy and I am not going to be pulled into a PJ cult OR an AJ worship cult. A true friend for Alex would tell him to his face when he is wrong, I think he needs more people around him to tell him when he goes in a wrong direction which he doesn't do very often. Too many ass kissers around a person all the time will drive him crazy. Alex will always be great for what he has done it is just too bad really that he and you cannot take a step back and calm down for a few days and listen to what people are saying.

BTW. Rock you are using NWO tactics by refering to me as "going religious" like I am some Zeitgeist groupee cult member or whatever. It is a BS tactic when the NWO uses it and when you use it.

[37]

Throughout the 1930s, Krishnamurti spoke in Europe, Latin America, India, Australia and the United States. In 1938, he made the acquaintance of Aldous Huxley, who had arrived from Europe during 1937.[70] The two began a close friendship which endured for many years.


Also, a video of the Share International portion of Riddles In Stone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2IWoxbY8DY

[Firewerk66]

You really hate reality don't you?

I guess the all world christ on earth Krishnamurti can give you some alternative prophecized reality as did Albert Pike and Blatavsy. 

i'm done with you inSane. since you wont look at the facts and continue to act like a high schooler, there is no reason to acknowledge your replies to my posts anymore.

[Dig]

Yeah Rock we are back to deviding the hell out of the truth movement. Look man if Alex is so sure PJ is a NWO shill he should be able to talk to him man to man on the air and show why he thinks that and give PJ a chance to respond. Instead he is assassinating him on his show, missrepresenting what PJ said and what the film contains and creating a huge false perception. You know it is obvious you are not interested in talking about anything, you just want to dismiss me and everyone else who does not agree with the way PJ was treated. So dismiss us all dude, whatever makes you feel better, hell you are a mod so ban me, ban us all. Whatever it takes to block out what we are saying. If you want to believe that PJ or me are trying to destroy your religion or stop you somehow from being a christian or whatever, go ahead and believe it. It isn't true but why should that stop you from believing it anyway. All PJ or I have said is that the bible is full of a lot of myths which it is and that people who control religions like the Vatican for example have used it as a tool to control large masses of people. The philosophy attributed to Jesus is outstanding and I think people should live their lives that way following the golden rule etc. If you think we who found ideas to think about in Zeitgeist are missing something say what it is and talk about it don't just say oh well it is a lot like H.G. Wells or some UN plot or whatever and then attack, yes like the WWF. If you can't make your point in a rational calm debate/discussion then you know something maybe your point isn't that good. Hell I have some concerns about Zeitgeist and questions but I am not going to start attacking PJ without giving him a chance even to answer. You and Alex seem to have forgotten one very simple point: Maybe just Maybe PJ is not talking about Marxism or whatever you seem to think he is talking about, maybe you don't understand his point. You know occasionally that does happen you know. Do any of you or Alex allow for that possibility that you missunderstand him? NOPE, full throtle attack. You are all so arrogant that you think people like myself cannot think critically about Zeitgeist as well. In your view we are all to stupid to realize we are being pulled into an NWO cult. I am not stupid Buddy and I am not going to be pulled into a PJ cult OR an AJ worship cult. A true friend for Alex would tell him to his face when he is wrong, I think he needs more people around him to tell him when he goes in a wrong direction which he doesn't do very often. Too many ass kissers around a person all the time will drive him crazy. Alex will always be great for what he has done it is just too bad really that he and you cannot take a step back and calm down for a few days and listen to what people are saying.

BTW. Rock you are using NWO tactics by refering to me as "going religious" like I am some Zeitgeist groupee cult member or whatever. It is a BS tactic when the NWO uses it and when you use it.

"Maybe just Maybe PJ is not talking about Marxism or whatever you seem to think he is talking about, maybe you don't understand his point."

Well he had two hours to explain himself.  I have included some of his statements which mimic Albert Pike/Blatavsky/Rothschild/Rockefeller/Maurice Strong/UN/CFR/Bilderberg.

So he may have just coincidently be expousing NWO rhetoric.  No one said he is proven to be an NWO shill.  But, it is a possibility (I am sure even you would admit that).  And either way the message is NWO and has been for hundreds of years.

Please watch the entire video of the interview and you will see how much time PJ was given uninterrupted and how he interrupted AJ, got very frustrated that AJ knew his shit, and resorted to childlike sighs and whimpers in the end when he was left completely exposed.  It was actually quite an incredible interview.

[Atomic]

The solution is simple however then you'll go on a Christian bashing crusade on that basis I refuse to give you the solution because you likely already know it.

Awww you are being Christian bashed? You don't like myths in the bible being exposed so that means you are being bashed huh? Well cry me a river dude some of the stuff in the bible just isn't true, it is not my fault your beliefs don't allow for that truth to be uttered by anyone without turning on them yourself. By the way I am NOT an athiest or an agnostic for the record. I happen to think the philosophy attributed to Jesus is the best way to live your life.

[Virgil_Hilts]

I have to agree with Alex after I heard his analysis of Addendum. The first two parts about the Federal Reserve and the whistle blower were spot on, but I could not even finish where it got into the "solutions" bit. It just didn't past the sniff test to me. I'm not a religious person at all, but I can't stand all that new agey bullshit.

What 'new agey bullshit'? ZA offers technological solutions to problems, mainly, clean, safe and renewable/unlimited, and very realistic, sources of energy. Are you trying to tell me solar power is new age mumbo jumbo? The other part of the offered solution is a sociological one, that we should abolish money, and instead have a resource based economy. Nothing spiritual or impossible there.

[Dig]

i'm done with you inSane. since you wont look at the facts and continue to act like a high schooler, there is no reason to acknowledge your replies to my posts anymore.

what facts?  you never mention any facts, use logic, coherent reasoning, evidence, sourced information, links, etc. here was your last post:

yeah, thats it. you guys got it. thats exactly what he proposes in ZA. in the final analysis a lot of you "truthers" are just as elitist as the people you are fighting against, not to mention childish and closed minded. thats what our dogma will do for you.

Where are the facts in there?  how is that not an obviously a high school level response to the overly obvious exposure of ZA's end game matching up with Logan's Run.

It is the same future NWO vision, it has been around for hundreds of years. There is so much evidence and your anger and near-outrage because these things are being exposed is confusing.  WHy not just acknowledge that this is indeed the same plan and you are a believer in it? What is the big deal?  It is a possible future designed by Pike/Blatavsky/Rockefeller/Rothschild/HG Wells/etc. Some people believe in it like Ted Turner/Bill Gates/Warren Buffett/Queen Beatrice.  Why not just say you agree with their visions?

[Alias1975]

Just cannot give up on the exposed BS talking point huh.  Please watch the video often to see how much PJ got to state his "case".  Unfortunately he did not do a very good job, hence the rise in Zboozled posts.  And on yesterday's show it becomes even more obvious the NWO agenda in Zitzkreig Adumdum.

But the best talking point is the one that says, "do not divide the movement."

ZA is NWO propaganda for a satanic one world order.  Exposing this does not divide the movement, it keeps it from being hijacked by NWO satanists.

Sane i can think for myself, if this stuff is so obviously NWO propaganda why did Alex; somebody that has lived this probably more than anyone else in the movement in the last 10 years not spot it? He admitted today he was under prepared. It seems it wasn't until after the interview that he bothered to check a lot of things the film was saying.

If you read my posts ive hardly stood up for the Zeitgeist films, i do think there is some positive things in there, but ive also said on this thread that i think the solutions are unrealistic in the short term and while some of the things proposed would be great in an ideal world, thats not the world we're living in, but that also doesn't mean such ideas shouldn't be discussed.

My problem is more with the way Alex handled himself in the interview and even on the show yesterday where he attacked PJ and the film without allowing any sort of comeback, often misrepresenting his views. He spoke very recently about being fed up of all the in fighting but it looks like hes fallen right back into that paradigm.

There is more to this than the meat and potatoes issues, and if Alex doesn't want to go there thats fine, but lets not automatically label somebody that does a NWO shill, or a New Ager. By doing that your falling into the same traps that the people that label Alex a kook are falling into. The only difference is Alex is prepared to go places they aren't and some people are prepared to go places Alex isn't, but that doesn't necessarily make them NWO shills does it?

[Dig]

Awww you are being Christian bashed? You don't like myths in the bible being exposed so that means you are being bashed huh? Well cry me a river dude some of the stuff in the bible just isn't true, it is not my fault your beliefs don't allow for that truth to be uttered by anyone without turning on them yourself. By the way I am NOT an athiest or an agnostic for the record. I happen to think the philosophy attributed to Jesus is the best way to live your life.

WOw the whole left/right nonsense again.

what is "the truth"

who is "the one"

why does PJ call science "the saviour"

why does he promote "re-education" if "the truth" is so obvious

[Firewerk66]

What 'new agey bullshit'? ZA offers technological solutions to problems, mainly, clean, safe and renewable/unlimited, and very realistic, sources of energy. Are you trying to tell me solar power is new age mumbo jumbo? The other part of the offered solution is a sociological one, that we should abolish money, and instead have a resource based economy. Nothing spiritual or impossible there.

do you expect anything more from an Alex Jones puppet? these people just parrot what Alex says without thinking things through themselves. they are brainwashed to believe that anything outside of their small, boxed in paradigm is "evil" or "new age" or "NWO". The leaps that AJ is taking with Z:A, theosophy, and Krisnamurti are making me question his other works and if he is connecting dots that arent there.

[Atomic]

"Maybe just Maybe PJ is not talking about Marxism or whatever you seem to think he is talking about, maybe you don't understand his point."

Well he had two hours to explain himself.  I have included some of his statements which mimic Albert Pike/Blatavsky/Rothschild/Rockefeller/Maurice Strong/UN/CFR/Bilderberg.

So he may have just coincidently be expousing NWO rhetoric.  No one said he is proven to be an NWO shill.  But, it is a possibility (I am sure even you would admit that).  And either way the message is NWO and has been for hundreds of years.

Please watch the entire video of the interview and you will see how much time PJ was given uninterrupted and how he interrupted AJ, got very frustrated that AJ knew his shit, and resorted to childlike sighs and whimpers in the end when he was left completely exposed.  It was actually quite an incredible interview.

See you are so sure you know what PJ is proposing and you do not allow for the possibility that what he is talking about is extremely difficult to convey to people. Want an example of how that can be the case? Describe to me what the color white looks like assuming I am a blind person. See how difficult it is to get accross that one simple thing. Seriously try it.

"Well white is the absence of color" you might say. Well if I am blind I don't know what color is either. Good luck.