Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[noxium]

I like what Alex says and I like what ZG crew says... I think it's a healthy mixture.

Alex and Joseph may disagree on some issues, but I think if they were to get together and collaborate they could make some amazing films.  

I agree. Instead of trashing him because he thinks differently, they should work together to find a better idea for after the NWO. Neither one of them has it all figured out.

[Dig]

But Alex believes the system in which can be fixed and changed will be a "Free" society. But yet it was created, formed and shaped by the very powers he aims to defeat. So then who would be in power when we all have "Freedom"?

You will have centralized power with his utopia as well. So his argument is circling his own mindset.

your post is circling even more.

what do you not comprehend about limited government and individual responsibility? America was founded on the rights of man and liberty, justice for all.  These people you speak of were kicked out and they have been penetrating ever since.  Now they are in control by stealth and as people see the contrast between them and the constitution, they are scared.  So they are pushing the end of the constitution, the rights of man, liberty, etc. through false futuristic dystopias like Zeiterball.

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. " -John F. Kennedy

[agentbluescreen]

Alex is laying into it about the Matraya, Krishnamurti. LOL

That wrinkled little fart was a complete fraud in Christian terms for he postulates that what happens after death is irrelevant and simply submitting (in the manner of Paul's Romanism) to passivity and pragmatic amorality is the secret to internal 'peace'.
  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1EjeM-YVyE

Our Savior on the other hand taught us that Our Father that is both God and Heaven in His Forms as the transcendental attractive, creative, invincible, dimensionally gravitational Unity of All Love Itself that imbues all beings with the divine gift (soul) of a spiritual flame of That Love that one either extinguishes through selfishness, greed and hatred or feeds through the Sacrament of Charity into a raging joyous bonfire of selfless charities in ones works, thereby assuring one's eternal reunion with All Love Itself in that eternal afterlife!

One who lives a life of greed, selfishness, submission and hatred indeed must fear the extinguishment of ones eternal being through death, quite to the contrary of Mr Krishnamurti's pragmatism.

W-What the hell is living without conflict? This should have been called "Life Can Be Hell"...

BTW rodneykingstrikesback deleted and censored my fair critique of that shpeil much to my disgust!

[noxium]

your post is circling even more.

what do you not comprehend about limited government and individual responsibility? America was founded on the rights of man and liberty, justice for all.  These people you speak of were kicked out and they have been penetrating ever since.  Now they are in control by stealth and as people see the contrast between them and the constitution, they are scared.  So they are pushing the end of the constitution, the rights of man, liberty, etc. through false futuristic dystopias like Zeiterball.

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. " -John F. Kennedy

This is where we fundamentally disagree. I do not believe The United States was created out of freedom. The NWO in my opinion had more to do with it's creation than most think. America is not a diamond in the rough to the freedom of all mankind. It is the "New experiment" created by the powers who funded both sides of the American revolution. The NWO.

Limited government and personal responsibility will be decided by whom in this utopia?

[Dig]

I agree. Instead of trashing him because he thinks differently, they should work together to find a better idea for after the NWO. Neither one of them has it all figured out.

yeah I guess they should, it is just too bad that PJ states everything as fact and is hardly open to any real facts like human nature (outside of conditioning).  Or how he just ignores the NWO's power because their system is inherently flawed (psssst, PJ...your film's future is exactly their future system).

[huckleberryhound]

Let me say up front that I am a born-again Christian and I approach all this from a Christian viewpoint.  I watched the original Zeitgeist last year and was turned off by the anti religion stuff in the first 1/3 of the movie.  It caused me to mistrust it from the start.  As a result, I have not recommended it to people.

I watched Zeitgeist Addendum last week and thought that it was ok until it got into the Venus Project stuff which was a big red-flag that the NWO was behind this.  Today (Thur 10/16) and yesterday Alex has been exposing this flick for what it really is.  Alex points out that the Illuminati have created this movie to make inroads into the Patriot/Truth movement.  Remember, “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,...", and that is where we are at with this movie.

I think that if one fails to address or ignores the spiritual battle that is at the core of the New World Order and their takeover of the the world then you miss a very big part of the picture.  The bottom line is that this is a spiritual battle.  It is the Devil fighting against God.  (see Eph 6:12) "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.".

In order for folks not to be fooled we cannot ignore the Biblical perspective in this battle.  If you don't know Christ, you need to come to Him or you might be fooled by these Zeitgeist type of people and their infiltration into the patriot/truth movement.

Don't just take it from me, listen to what people like Dr. Stan Montief, Lindsey Williams, Steve Quayle, Texe Marrs and many others have to say.  Otherwise you may be fooled.

[JTCoyoté]

If the idea of debate is to negate personality, and individual style... including the ability to interrupt when something is being misstated with regard to your position or yourself... something that Joseph did as well as Alex... but only after Alex chided Joseph for whining instead of jumping in and talking over Alex... which can be done and has been recently by other guests... from that point on, the conversation took on more of a real world air...

There is nothing worse than a couple of somber monotone people having a debate, it is boring and counterproductive...

Sorry your first post was just to let us know you were leaving...

There's an old saying, if you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

--Oldyoti

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule,
where fifty-one percent of the people may
 take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
" ~Thomas Jefferson

[colaguy078]

I agree. Instead of trashing him because he thinks differently, they should work together to find a better idea for after the NWO. Neither one of them has it all figured out.

I agree. Forget about the philosophy / religion and focus on the NWO.  

[noxium]

yeah I guess they should, it is just too bad that PJ states everything as fact and is hardly open to any real facts like human nature (outside of conditioning).  Or how he just ignores the NWO's power because their system is inherently flawed (psssst, PJ...your film's future is exactly their future system).

I disagree with Pj on the point of the NWO not being so powerful. The rest are just ideas, many of which I agree with when it comes to energy, and self sustainment. But I do not agree with everything.

[RockVillain]

Money: Humans place value on everything from basics like food and shelter as well as all other desires. Throughout time mankind has used these values and developed market systems for trade of goods and services. There is nothing wrong with having a monetary system. The problems arise when power mongers hijack the systems.

Nature vs. Nurture: BOTH are instrumental to the development of any person. It is not ALL environment like Peter Joseph stated. Scientific studies of twins separated at birth prove this.

Human diversity and free will allow for the evolution of mankind. Problem-solving is the building block for progress. We need problems to overcome, we need opposing forces, we need to debate. This is intrinsically human. This is the world as it has always been and will always be.

Peter Joseph’s ideas are not new and have never been successful because it is in direct opposition to human nature.

[Rock]

Sane, I must also point out we have never in our history had so many people Join PP forums just to tell us how bad the interview was.

Here is the new talking points:  

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ  
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully
4) anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshiper (added later than original post)
5) solutions rather then fear mongering  (added later than original post)
6) at least he has a solution, you are not presenting anyone with a solution?

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years , and will not listen as much in protest.  


I need to start checking IP's again,



Rock

[Dig]

This is where we fundamentally disagree. I do not believe The United States was created out of freedom. The NWO in my opinion had more to do with it's creation than most think. America is not a diamond in the rough to the freedom of all mankind. It is the "New experiment" created by the powers who funded both sides of the American revolution. The NWO.

Limited government and personal responsibility will be decided by whom in this utopia?

will be decided by the local areas that have the control...

individual

family

street

block

community

town

city

country

state

nation

Whereas the nation has the limitations outlined in the constitution.   And it ain't no utopia, it is a life of responsibility, hard work, and immesurable rewards.  It is a life of love, family values, mutual respect, morals, ethics, rule of law, etc.  Most importantly, it is a life free of NWO total control (like the National Reconnaissance Office cameras and spy satellites, I mean PJ thinks the NWO is that stupid even though they are matering cloning and build spy satellites..wtf?)

It is interesting that a Z head would propose that the foundation of the united states and the American Revolution was not the work of brave, intelligent men that swore allegiance against tyranny, but a little "project."  It is also interesting that this is exactly the same talking points used by the KGB/UN/Fabians to remove the constitution from the United States as the foundation (in addition the whole agenda against freedom of religion also is found within these expose's):

#1- the communist agenda in America exposed by a senior psyps director at the KGB:
Soviet Deception: Demoralization of the West

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=915448763957391352

Soviet Goals for the United States

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUhF7YPDyHM

Dr. Skousen on this agenda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8_b8bPQvcQ

and here are the major priorities:
1963 Communist Goals-The following was entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69) in 1963.   
1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war
2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war
3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength"
4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites
6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination
7) Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN.
8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN
9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress
10) Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN
11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo)
12) Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party
13) Do away with loyalty oaths
14) Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office
15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US
16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.
18) Gain control of all student newspapers
19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings", substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.
23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art".
24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26) Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy".
27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch"
28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"
29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".
31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture."
32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34) Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI
36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business
38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems.
43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.

More here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=10245.0
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#2 - it follows Project Bluebeam: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=4297.0

[RickT]

It's almost too bad Christianity or any other religion is being made the big deal.

The fact is, ZA pictures the future world as a potential dystopic NWO.

BTW, you want to find some really (IMHO) lost people check out the forum at the Krishnamurti Foundation of America

http://www.kfa.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=219

[KingNeil]

This has become delusional.

There is one question that needs to be proposed to Peter Joseph:

"How are we going to get from here to your new system".

And we'll see how good his answer is. That's it. Forget all this symbolic BS and NWO-shill claims. Just ask him the most logical question and see what kind of answer you get.

[David Rothscum]

Do you think that maybe it was planned that way?

Likely. They've been trying to manipulate us for quite some time now if you ask me. Keep this movement small and isolated by making us all look like terrorists through OKC. That didn't work, so have them discredit themself through the Y2K hoax. After 9/11 the movement exploded in size, Paleo-conservatives joined forces with antiwar liberals and the movement spread throughout the world. Now that we've had so much success we have to watch out for two things:
1. Globalists using 9/11 Truth to demonize the US or national sovereignty in general and transfer more power to the United Nations (which is controlled by the same people that control the US anyway).
2. Globalists trying to divide the movement by putting Christians against Atheists, Socialists/Liberals against Paleo-conservatives/Libertarians or exploiting any other difference in opinion we have.

Zeitgeist could be used to do that. Get these atheist Socialists who think a world without money is ideal fighting with Conservative Christians. It's suspicious that someone who wants to expose 9/11 and the Federal Reserve starts with a controversial theory about Jesus never having existed but as far as I know there's no way to prove that the maker of Zeitgeist is trying to get us fighting eachother. The way we stop this is by exposing all evil, whether it's committed by the US government, the UN, Bayer, Nestlé, the European Union or any other group. The globalists have had their plans put back years by infighting, don't let them do the same to us. That's the reason I try not to get into the Socialism versus Libertarianism, Atheists versus Christians or any similar debates that go on here, we have more important things to solve right now that deserve our attention, people in control of our governments who harm us on purpose. Zeitgeist fans, ask yourself this:
Let's say Jesus never existed, is that really more important to expose than the people now in control of our planet who are killing millions?

[Rock]

Sane, I must also point out we have never in our history had so many people Join PP forums just to tell us how bad the interview was.

Here is the new talking points:  

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ  
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years , and will not listen as much in protest.  


I need to start checking IP's again,



Rock

Now it is the first post http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=63680.msg339239#msg339239


Rock

[Dig]

Now it is the first post http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=63680.msg339239#msg339239


Rock

hahahaahahaha

perfect timing!

[Wanted]

In the perfect PJ system where no money is needed, I'll take one of these yellow wagons for my daughter, three in red for my boys, and a black one for me while I'm changing the words sin and evil around to mean I'm "bad" to da bone.


Back soon, I'm getting my other shopping list together - Yeppiee free goods..woowoo thanks PJ, great idea.

Now that Car is beautiful.....*drools* 

Carry On.......

[Dig]

I didn't necessarily agree with Peter, but for god's sake, Alex Jones is the most arrogant, immature, rude, and uncouth personality in the truth movement.
This is not an attack from some newbie on the information that Alex brings. I've listened to Alex every day since 2003. His conduct in yesterday's interview is the precise reason that most people don't take him seriously. He's like that friend you had when you were 12 that refused to admit he was wrong and shit on anybody who insinuated that he was.
And I'm not saying that Alex is wrong! It's just his bullshit personality that has turned me off.

So long Alex. It's been interesting. If it's ok, I'll just read the information on prisonplanet.com rather than listen to you spray it all over the side of my head.

oh no, we've just been zeitgeisted by another z head, ugggh where do they come from?  They are easy to identify with their NWO all seeing eye icons.



Rock has exposed the z-head trolling talking points:

Here is the new talking points:  

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ  
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years , and will not listen as much in protest.  

[Rock]

A lot of comments over here to http://www.infowars.com/?p=5338



Rock

[agentbluescreen]

... new Trazi-NWO talking points:  

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ  
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years , and will not listen as much in protest.  
I need to start checking IP's again,

While people are gifted with 2 eyes to read and 2 ears to hear and but one mouth to speak, they might well be using those 2 hands to type since they have only one brain to think with first...

[UK Lyn]

I think there is 100 agents out there who have been laying in wait for this.  ZA was a COINTELPRO hit.  It's the perfect wedge that pits members of this site against each other.  Occult based propaganda, on the heels of COINTELPRO spells disaster for those on the fence.


I would like to commend the majority of the members here for keeping their wits about them under such an invasion. 




Rock

Having spent a long time quietly re-watching ZA and re-listenting to AJ's interview, I have to completely agree.
Far too many "newbies" [yeah, right] with far too much identical-script replies.

[lord edward coke]

A one world government is not bad however if THAT government is run by corruption then duh, it's bad.  There's no reason for our race to be separated.  We should in reality all be united together as one race.  The only problem is that people abuse power.  I find abuse of power lazy.  That's just my opinion.

If we can lead with a mind of compassion then this could work out, however even the rich are murderers...so something needs to be done to weed out the corrupt.  Some humans claim that bringing wealth and wellbeing to the world would cure this but I'm not sure I buy it.  Some people have perversions.  They WANT to decapitate people and so on...

If the world was full of humans with 'balls' then maybe we'd all be able to stand up for our beliefs.

I know that when it comes down to putting a bullet in the head of someone who's kindhearted, I wouldn't do it.

A one -world government should raise a BIG RED FLAG. Anytime you hear one of these Illuminati shoveling this crap you should instantly ''snap out'' of your mind controlled stupor and ask...............WHO IS IN CHARGE
(and don't tell me NO ONE,that'll never happen!!!) The Wicked would wrest the controls from the hands of the good.

Further , I give  Alex Jones ALL THE CREDIT IN THE WORLD!!!   Everytime this 'peter' he was interviewing tried his semantical gymnastics, Alex was on him like white on rice.  It was a most excellent interview that cut through the theatrical sewage that 'peter' was spewing and laid bare to the bone ,that this ass-clown 'peter' is a NWO SCHILL.

Also when 'peter' tried his highbrow ,I'm the intellectual here, crappola, Alex routed him on everyside.

My wish is that you,who buy into zg, would have half the discernment that Alex has. Take a lesson from Alex......no matter how much perfume the Illuminati put on there ONE-WORLD ORDER PIG it is still just a PIG!!!

When Benjamin fulford suggested a one-world gov would not be bad, in the right hands, You should INSTINTLY recognize the enemy trying to infiltrate us.

We should not give up one inch without a ferocious fight. America is throughly surrounded and corrupted and the only thing left standing between the Illuminati and there one world slave planet is the armned people of America.If freedom
is lost here there is NO PLACE that is safe.The blessings of liberty is our birthright and for your children's sake:DO NOT
GIVE UP THE FIGHT!!!

ALEX JONES100%    We need Alex to do some more oppositional interviews,this is where he shines-FULL BRILLANCE.
LEC

[Chocolaty]

I think what Alex is doing now is capitalizing on all this.  It almost seems like a coup in the truth movement to lump atheists and agnostics with Zeitgeist.  I consider myself agnostic but I don't endorse Zeitgeist. Is that possible with Alex's ideology?

BTW, I do believe in a God.

Interesting... How can you concider yourself agnostic if you believe in a 'god'?

Alex is demonizing and floating Christian ideals and it is splitting the movement, not zeitgeist.

This movement is not anti-christian. Your statement itself is divisive. BTW, who are Zeitgeist targetting as the problem when it comes to religion? Trite isn't it... THE CHRISTIANS!!! You don't see them attacking Islam or Hinduism do you? Of course not, because those religions are not the problem, the problem of the NWO is Christianity. Those who worship the devil don't fight Islam or Hinduism either, it's Christians. If the nwo hates liberty, I'm for it. If they hate the constitution I'm for it. If they hate Ron Paul I'm for him. Guess what, they hate true Christianity, this ought to tell you something.

Maybe this movie (or the controversy) is meant to cause division at a time when the movement should be coalescing against the NWO?

Now lets see, what group uses divisions in people to cause controversy and reduce the capacity of people to coordinate against them, to marginalize opponents and spread strife, especially religious motivated strife?

Yeah, in the first movie they shed light on 911 and the federal reserve which most of the people in this movement are aware of, and the division they attempt to cause is with Christianity, and for solution propagates the NWO's religion.

In the second movie they expound on their NWO nonsense.

In summary: The NWO baits the movement with truth (911 & federal reserve) and targets Christianity and gives the anti-Christian nwo religion for solution. (The system which it attacks (sound money/gun/capitalism/prisons/laws/etc) is not attacked out of the blue, the objections they have against them stem fundamentally out of their NWO opposite-to-Christianity religion which demands these things be different.)

But Alex believes the system in which can be fixed and changed will be a "Free" society. But yet it was created, formed and shaped by the very powers he aims to defeat. So then who would be in power when we all have "Freedom"?

You will have centralized power with his utopia as well. So his argument is circling his own mindset.

The system itself is good. What's wrong with free market capitalism and sound money and being able to defend yourself and having just laws and enforcers of those laws and punishment for transgressors of those laws? Anything that is against liberty is not good. While they promise us liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption. [2Pe 2:19]

It's almost too bad Christianity or any other religion is being made the big deal.

The fact is, ZA pictures the future world as a potential dystopic NWO.

That's because Christianity stands against all their principalities and goals in every way! I mean even their plan is written in there! They try to present saviors like krishnamurti and the UN and their utopic technological society etc etc to con people into hoping for peace and security by these "saviors" WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN because man cannot save man! Only Jesus Christ can save us. In this world insofar as a society lives according to the principals of liberty espoused in the bible which are anti all that the nwo stands for they will be free, but when they start doubting this "system" of liberty (false flag ops) and call for something else things will get worse, always has, always will.

[Dig]

A lot of comments over here to http://www.infowars.com/?p=5338



Rock

Yup they are creating the left/right paradigm...

Zeitgeist atheists v. AJ bible thumpers...

Unfortunately for the NWO architects of these false paradigms, AJ has a huge non-christian following and he is staunchly against blind faith hijacked institutionalized forced rapture religion.  And, Zeitgeist goes against atheist pricipals as it creates a new technocratic religion. Just look at how obvious the creation of the left/right paradigm is:



The false blind faith hijacked institutionalized forced rapture AJ zealot:

Yeah Says:
October 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

f**k yeah Alex is the f**king king. Atheist you all got owned lol God will put you in hell after Armageddon if you dont go to church n repent to jesus.
We christians must fight harder now. Buy food and weapons. we can fight satans army till rapture.

Gives rise to the fake z-head "atheist" that has no idea what atheism is:

White Knight Says:
October 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

To all that support Alex, this is why you are laughed at and ignored? And will be forever???? Go to Church and be happy with your sad little emotional resolve you need to feel like our lives really have a purpose. Go to Iraq for a few, did those people get to go to heaven? lolol 12% of the worlds population is Christian, that means the rest go to hell. Right?

[DCUBED]

Interesting... How can you concider yourself agnostic if you believe in a 'god'?

Agnostic meaning I don't know what "God" is.  Is it a man, woman, human, spirit, etc... I don't know. And I don't believe anyone else does either.

[agentbluescreen]

That wrinkled little fart was a complete fraud in Christian terms for he postulates that what happens after death is irrelevant and simply submitting (in the manner of Saul/Paul's hateful, evil Romanism) to theosophic passivity, immoral submission to opportunistic, pragmatic amorality is some sort of a secret to internal (and social) 'peace'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1EjeM-YVyE

Our Savior, on the other hand, taught us that Our Father that is both God and Heaven in His Forms as the transcendental, attractive, creative, invincible, dimensionally gravitational Unity of All Love Itself that imbues all beings with the divine gift (soul) of a spiritual flame of That Love that one either extinguishes through selfishness, greed and hatred or feeds through the Sacrament of Charity into a raging joyous bonfire of selfless charities in ones works, thereby assuring one's eternal reunion with All Love Itself in that eternal afterlife!

One who lives a life of greed, selfishness, submission and hatred indeed must fear the extinguishment of ones eternal being through death, quite to the contrary of Mr Krishnamurti's pragmatism.

W-What the hell is living without conflict? This should have been called "Life Can Be Hell"...

BTW rodneykingstrikesback deleted and censored my fair critique of that shpeil much to my disgust!

While some people can afford to flip a family a few grand to save them their home from the banksters, or go downtown and buy every homeless person a suit, a hotel room and a few meals, most of us can only offer a few hours protesting the mass murders, corruption and injustice of our tyrannical 'rulers' that act of love is no less a Charity to our children's children!

[Geolibertarian]

A lot of comments over here to http://www.infowars.com/?p=5338

I tried posting a comment myself, but it has yet to appear. Perhaps it was "too long" (as all the women in town are always telling me ).

[agentbluescreen]

Agnostic meaning I don't know what "God" is.  Is it a man, woman, human, spirit, etc... I don't know. And I don't believe anyone else does either.

What All Love Itself is is as plain as the force that keeps your butt on it's chair, what is faster than light, what is stronger than any force, and what attracts even the so tiniest Neutron to a Proton in the simplest act of loving creation, and it is also the joy your soul feels at the smile of a newborn child or the beauty of a leaf.

[Chocolaty]

Agnostic meaning I don't know what "God" is.  Is it a man, woman, human, spirit, etc... I don't know. And I don't believe anyone else does either.

I don't wanna hijack this thread, Here
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agnostic

Agnostic:
One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

It doesn't mean that you believe in a 'god' but don't know what he is. Not knowing the nature of 'god' is agnostic but it doesn't make you agnostic since you do believe in a 'god'. This makes you an agnostic theist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theist
Agnostic theism is the philosophical view that encompasses both theism and agnosticism. Per theism, an agnostic theist believes that the proposition at least one deity exists is true, but, per agnosticism, believes that the existence of gods are unknown or inherently unknowable. The agnostic theist may also or alternatively be agnostic regarding the properties of the god(s) they believe in.

I tried posting a comment myself, but it has yet to appear. Perhaps it was "too long" (as all the women in town are always telling me ).

It didn't appear for me too first, then I realised the email is "required"!

[Catalina]

Here's my 2 cents worth: I saw the handwriting on the wall when I saw Zeitgeist two years ago. I'm smelled a rat then and his addendum exposes his doctrine now. I don't care what you religious faith is, how can anyone deny the existence of someone greater than ourselves. What? Because we said so.

I've ran into so many in the truth movement who are servants of this new age, illuminati jargon that is ancient old. There's nothing new with Peter Joseph's message. Simply put, apostacy in a modern age.

Personally, I believe God is purging the movement from falsehoods whether you believe that or not. You can't have real change when the spirit of a person has not been changed. No amount of knowledge will change things for the better. We see what those who have knowledge have done to enslave us. History is a great reminder of this.

My late grandmother always said, what every you do in the dark shall come to light. No of us are exempt.

[Dig]

Another thing I noticed about Peter Joseph is that he is actually a false prophet.  He not only states what is going on right now but he prophesizes constantly about the future. "In the future, gun control will be irrevelant, there will be no scarcity..."

He continually talks about the future as if he has been there or something.

This is definitely another NWO trick.  I did not notice it as much until the 3rd time I listened to the interview.

Everyone please listen to the interview in its entirety, it really exposed all the intricate details... "first we will take down the money, then the military and the police."

NWO must be realy pissed off that the military and police support Ron Paul over any other politician.  They are defintely planning on scapegoating the military and police for the crimes of the bureaucrats as exposed in the 1990's Illuminati card game and the Denver Murals.

[Double]

I don't think Peter is a shill.
He has some good points, one being money is a root cause of much of the shit we see today.
Money is used as a means to control us, and nothing else.
Everything we spend money on is something that the Earth provides for us anyways!
It's an illusion that we need it!

I really don't like the name Project Venus though, it sets off many warning bells with me.
It sounds like a Cult for 1.

But seriously guys, just because someone wants to try a society without money does not mean he is a commie or shill.

And also Alex was way out of line in that interview.

So many of you won't even form your own opinions, instead you settle on someone elses.
This is why we are in the mess we are in today! Or partly why.

[Catalina]

Everyone please listen to the interview in its entirety, it really exposed all the intricate details... "first we will take down the money, then the military and the police."

NWO must be realy pissed off that the military and police support Ron Paul over any other politician.  They are defintely planning on scapegoating the military and police for the crimes of the bureaucrats as exposed in the 1990's Illuminati card game and the Denver Murals.

I've noticed that in recent days also. There are so many articles and media now demonizing the police. What about the good ones, like the sheriff in Chicago that refused to evict tenants for the bankers?

[kenischange]

Just to let you all know, not all atheists are NWO subscribers or think something we do not agree with should be abolished. I am against corruption. That pretty much describes the problems with our economy as well as _organized_ religion and wars for/over religion.

[Double]

The fact that you judge people based on how many posts they have rather then information is the scary thing.

Alex rocks, but he can make mistakes, so stop treating your god like hes infallible.

Or better yet, stop treating him like a god.

Sane, I must also point out we have never in our history had so many people Join PP forums just to tell us how bad the interview was.

Here is the new talking points: 

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ 
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).

They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years , and will not listen as much in protest. 


I need to start checking IP's again,

[kenischange]

I don't think Peter is a shill.
He has some good points, one being money is a root cause of much of the shit we see today.
Money is used as a means to control us, and nothing else.
Everything we spend money on is something that the Earth provides for us anyways!
It's an illusion that we need it!

I really don't like the name Project Venus though, it sets off many warning bells with me.
It sounds like a Cult for 1.

But seriously guys, just because someone wants to try a society without money does not mean he is a commie or shill.

And also Alex was way out of line in that interview.

So many of you won't even form your own opinions, instead you settle on someone elses.
This is why we are in the mess we are in today! Or partly why.

The earth DOES NOT provide the hard work to produce something useful/usable by the labor and time of humans. That labor and management of nature to provide a product is traded to someone else through barter. Money is an abstraction of barter and is fine. What is NOT fine is corruption, including predatory lending and predatory fractional reserve banking.

Done, next.

[John Gault]

Yup they are creating the left/right paradigm...

Zeitgeist atheists v. AJ bible thumpers...

Unfortunately for the NWO architects of these false paradigms, AJ has a huge non-christian following and he is staunchly against blind faith hijacked institutionalized forced rapture religion.  And, Zeitgeist goes against atheist pricipals as it creates a new technocratic religion. Just look at how obvious the creation of the left/right paradigm is:

The false blind faith hijacked institutionalized forced rapture AJ zealot:

Yeah Says:
October 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

f**k yeah Alex is the f**king king. Atheist you all got owned lol God will put you in hell after Armageddon if you dont go to church n repent to jesus.
We christians must fight harder now. Buy food and weapons. we can fight satans army till rapture.

Gives rise to the fake z-head "atheist" that has no idea what atheism is:

White Knight Says:
October 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm

To all that support Alex, this is why you are laughed at and ignored? And will be forever???? Go to Church and be happy with your sad little emotional resolve you need to feel like our lives really have a purpose. Go to Iraq for a few, did those people get to go to heaven? lolol 12% of the worlds population is Christian, that means the rest go to hell. Right?

Great point Sane, thats is an angle I didn't think of. Every David needs a Goalith to pick on.

Sane, I must also point out we have never in our history had so many people Join PP forums just to tell us how bad the interview was.

Here is the new talking points:  

1) AJ went to far in this interview. AJ should stop being AJ  
2) It has seriously affected the way I feel about him as well most of his audience.
3) He is acting like a bully

These statements are generally coming from new members (people with less than 10 posts).
They all say that they are big listeners of AJ for years ::), and will not listen as much in protest.  
I need to start checking IP's again,

Rock

I was wondering where this nest of vipers came from? You have a new movement and the zealots come out to play.

Note to all the Zeitgeist, attacking others beliefs will not validate your cult.

[Dig]

The fact that you judge people based on how many posts they have rather then information is the scary thing.

Alex rocks, but he can make mistakes, so stop treating your god like hes infallible.

Or better yet, stop treating him like a god.

Hey Rock, you forgot about the talking point where anyone who states the obvious is called an AJ idol worshipper.

Thanks Double link for not letting us step over that impotant Karl Rovesque talking point.

[Rock]

The fact that you judge people based on how many posts they have rather then information is the scary thing.

Alex rocks, but he can make mistakes, so stop treating your god like hes infallible.

Or better yet, stop treating him like a god.

Just admit it.  I nailed it.