Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[InfoTruth]

Alan Watt,Jordan Maxwell,David Icke,Michael Tsarion have all said more negative things about Christianity than Jiddu Krishnamurti. Michael Tsarion even quotes the evil beast Aleister Crowley! I find it hilarious how Alex is totally against Zeitgeist but he always plays rock music that has been influenced by the evil beast Aleister Crowley. So what is it Alex are you a fundamentalist or what?

[Dig]

PJ - "It is the intelligent management of the world's resources is needed....The ideology that will construct our New World so to speak is an ideology based on resource management as denoted to the SCIENTIFIC METHOD."

How is this not the same exact plan NWO is creating via the UN/CFR/Bilderberg/HG Wells/Brzynsky/Rothschild/Rockefeller?

Who still believes that he accidently is proposing the same exact stuff that Rockefeller and Rothschild are pushing?

Man we need a complete transcript to show how obvious this is.

[Dok]

Hopefully the Christians don't all pile on and accuse us of being NWO now...

I'm an equal-opportunity basher of religious ideologies. Not the individuals, mind you - just the systems of thought. Buddhists, Jains, Christians, Satanists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus - I believe they're all metaphysically and epistemologically 'wayward', let us say. Doesn't mean I hate them. Didn't the Christ say something like hate the sin, love the sinner?

10 Well-known Scriptural Passages from the Book of Hezekiah

Actually, there is no Biblical Book of Hezekiah, so this is an inside joke to refer to quotations that many insist are in the Christian Bible but in fact are not. Where possible, we also note the true attribution.

1.Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime. (Chinese proverb)
2.Hate the sin, love the sinner. (Mahatma Gandhi)
3.A penny saved is a penny earned. (Benjamin Franklin)
4.Cleanliness is next to godliness. (Francis Bacon)
5.God moves in mysterious ways His wonders to perform. (William Cowper)
6.It is better to cast your seed in the belly of a whore than to spill it on the ground. (unknown)
7.Charity begins at home. (Terence, a Roman actor)
8.Money is the root of all evil. (1 Timothy 6 actually reads, “Love of money is the root of all evil.”)
9.God helps those who help themselves. (Benjamin Franklin)
10.Spare the rod, spoil the child. (Samuel Butler)

[johnnyoi]

He's proposing it in a smoother package that's for sure, and add some info that some will relate to immediately and suddenly it's a good plan.  I did enjoy the Fed/Debt part, but the rest is useless to me.

[derek17]

Well, spitting out disinfo in not one, but two movies, while using manipulative speech and musical undertones...yeeaah, that's usually kind of a giveaway

I have to admit, I think I was wrong about Peter Joseph.  Sociostudent and Rock, you were both right and I was wrong.  This guy is total New World Order.  I apologize to AJ too, he was too nice.  I guess I was a little too nice also.  I mean the Christ of the NWO religion?  All you Zeitgeist fanatics have to rethink your positions.  

[akston]

10 Well-known Scriptural Passages from the Book of Hezekiah

Actually, there is no Biblical Book of Hezekiah, so this is an inside joke to refer to quotations that many insist are in the Christian Bible but in fact are not. Where possible, we also note the true attribution.

1.Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime. (Chinese proverb)
2.Hate the sin, love the sinner. (Mahatma Gandhi)
3.A penny saved is a penny earned. (Benjamin Franklin)
4.Cleanliness is next to godliness. (Francis Bacon)
5.God moves in mysterious ways His wonders to perform. (William Cowper)
6.It is better to cast your seed in the belly of a whore than to spill it on the ground. (unknown)
7.Charity begins at home. (Terence, a Roman actor)
8.Money is the root of all evil. (1 Timothy 6 actually reads, “Love of money is the root of all evil.”)
9.God helps those who help themselves. (Benjamin Franklin)
10.Spare the rod, spoil the child. (Samuel Butler)

I appreciate the correction 

[Dig]

Alan Watt,Jordan Maxwell,David Icke,Michael Tsarion have all said more negative things about Christianity than Jiddu Krishnamurti. Michael Tsarion even quotes the evil beast Aleister Crowley! I find it hilarious how Alex is totally against Zeitgeist but he always plays rock music that has been influenced by the evil beast Aleister Crowley. So what is it Alex are you a fundamentalist or what?

You bring up a very good point.  It is obviously because AJ is not against Z because of a blind faith in christianity.  He is skeptical of the way PJ ignores central power structures and the NWO futuristic technocracy.  Z seems to fit perfectly into the same futurism proposed by HG Wells nearly 100 years ago.

Thanks to AJ, this stuff is pretty well exposed.  People should listen to the interview often and a transcript will also help because PJ's words are almost the same as NWO documents.

[ironPlasma]

I was just thinking about the whole Zeitgeist thing, and I must say if somehow Peter Joseph has sided with the  NWO, he could seriously drive a wedge between the 'awakening' mass of minds... One of my friends used to be a "zeitgeist person" that how he was awakened. And I was awakened by Alex Jones, and we were on the same team this whole time... Now however, after the argument between Alex Jones and Peter Joseph, I get the feeling there is a greater likelihood that it will seriously split the community.

I'm very worried about this stuff... this could be the best divide and conquer tactic ever deployed into the Anti-NWO crowd.

I think Alex needs to be less intense about Zeitgeist.

[Geolibertarian]

Alan Watt,Jordan Maxwell,David Icke,Michael Tsarion have all said more negative things about Christianity than Jiddu Krishnamurti. Michael Tsarion even quotes the evil beast Aleister Crowley! I find it hilarious how Alex is totally against Zeitgeist but he always plays rock music that has been influenced by the evil beast Aleister Crowley. So what is it Alex are you a fundamentalist or what?

There's no question he's a nonsectarian Christian, but he is tolerant of other people's non-Christian views, provided they aren't espousing pro-NWO views. I have all of David Icke's books, for instance, and I assure you he's as anti-NWO as Alex is. (In fact I believe it was Icke who coined the phrase, "problem-reaction-solution.")

Such, it would seem, is not the case with ZA -- hence Alex's rightful hostility to it.

[InfoTruth]

Now Alex Jones is attacking occultists!

[Raincheck]

All you Zeitgeist fanatics have to rethink your positions.

No kidding. That dude was the worst thing I've heard on AJ's show since that Rothschild guy.

[Dig]

AJ - I have always told my listeners, "don't make what I am saying a religion where I am infallible," and question me.

I have found this to be true with most people that listen to AJ.  I cannot say the same for those that seem to be mind controlled by Z and ZA.  They seem to be unable to just read CFR documents, understand the real threat shown in EndGame, understand the warnings from Hunt, UNCED, Iron Mountain, Project Blue Bird, etc.

[trailhound]

I think it was PJ's tone that made Alex get a bit riled. He recognizes the tone and manners of the elites and PJ sounds like one of them. Some of you sound like you would be more comfortable listening to NPR instead of an angry patriot telling it like it is.  I also have to note that there seems to be an abundant supply of newbs defending PJ. Im relatively new on this board myself, nothing wrong with em, but couldnt help noticing the trend of newbs going to the mat for PJ.

[Firewerk66]

AJ - I have always told my listeners, "don't make what I am saying a religion where I am infallible," and question me.

I have found this to be true with most people that listen to AJ.  I cannot say the same for those that seem to be mind controlled by Z and ZA.  They seem to be unable to just read CFR documents, understand the real threat shown in EndGame, understand the warnings from Hunt, UNCED, Iron Mountain, Project Blue Bird, etc.

yet, thats what seems to be happening. Alex is great pointing out whats wrong, but offers no solution. PJ was right when he said that bit about fighting the small things like tazers. Those things are a symptom of the disease, so in fighting symptoms you never really kill the disease which is human conditioning in this current model of society based on scarcity and miseducation.

I guess i prefer the Icke method of dealing with this problem of the NWO - level headed discourse and noncompliance- not bullhorning, shouting and alienating people whom otherwise might listen to a rational Icke, Watt or even Mike Rivero.

[Dig]

yet, thats what seems to be happening. Alex is great pointing out whats wrong, but offers no solution. PJ was right when he said that bit about fighting the small things like tazers. Those things are a symptom of the disease, so in fighting symptoms you never really kill the disease which is human conditioning in this current model of society based on scarcity and miseducation.

I guess i prefer the Icke method of dealing with this problem of the NWO - level headed discourse and noncompliance- not bullhorning, shouting and alienating people whom otherwise might listen to a rational Icke, Watt or even Mike Rivero.

I still do not see how this was not level headed discourse.  I have listened to it 3 times already and see nothing unexpected by the interview whatsoever.

AJ has given tons of solutions in all of his films.  He just does not subscribe to one central solution.  AJ's solution to defeating NWO seems similar to Ron Paul's solution to moving back to the constitution... Promote freedom of the individual, trust the responsibility of the individual.  AJ promotes others to create their own movements and does not control them.  He has promoted many others to spread their own messages.  AJ even gave a clip to Peter Joseph for use in his first movie (WTF, how can anyone say that AJ does not support others).

So the difference in solutions may be that PJ promotes a one world central control system and AJ promotes empowering the individual so that they will never fall for a central structure again.

[InfoTruth]

So this movement was created and started by Christians? Jordan Maxwell has been exposing the NWO before Alex was born! What is it that Alex is trying to do here? Even Michael Tsarion said that this movement is not a Christian movement but a movement for all!

[zafada]

A one world government is not bad however if THAT government is run by corruption then duh, it's bad.  There's no reason for our race to be separated.  We should in reality all be united together as one race.  The only problem is that people abuse power.  I find abuse of power lazy.  That's just my opinion.

If we can lead with a mind of compassion then this could work out, however even the rich are murderers...so something needs to be done to weed out the corrupt.  Some humans claim that bringing wealth and wellbeing to the world would cure this but I'm not sure I buy it.  Some people have perversions.  They WANT to decapitate people and so on...

If the world was full of humans with 'balls' then maybe we'd all be able to stand up for our beliefs.

I know that when it comes down to putting a bullet in the head of someone who's kindhearted, I wouldn't do it.

[DCUBED]

So this movement was created and started by Christians? Jordan Maxwell has been exposing the NWO before Alex was born! What is it that Alex is trying to do here? Even Michael Tsarion said that this movement is not a Christian movement but a movement for all!

Yeah, I don't know what AJ meant by that. Maybe he was talking about the Founding Fathers.  As far as fighting the NWO movement, Jordan was one of the first, if not the first.

[Dig]

I was amazed at all of the solutions that AJ presented when defining "what is the NWO" and "what do we do with these people"

That section should be extracted for educating everyone; clear concise explanation and solution.

[Geolibertarian]

So this movement was created and started by Christians? Jordan Maxwell has been exposing the NWO before Alex was born! What is it that Alex is trying to do here? Even Michael Tsarion said that this movement is not a Christian movement but a movement for all!

Saying the movement was started by Christians is not the same thing as saying the movement itself is Christian.

Alex made it clear during his interview with Tsarion that he's against that sort of "territorialization" mentality.

[Dig]

So this movement was created and started by Christians? Jordan Maxwell has been exposing the NWO before Alex was born! What is it that Alex is trying to do here? Even Michael Tsarion said that this movement is not a Christian movement but a movement for all!

Do you have the exact quote?

[Dig]

Saying the movement was started by Christians is not the same thing as saying the movement itself is Christian.

Alex made it clear during his interview with Tsarion that he's against that sort of "territorialization" mentality.

I was just going to make the same comment, jinx.

[InfoTruth]

Do you have the exact quote?

From Michael Tsarion? It was from a 3 hour documentary he mentioned during the end when a fundamentalist Christian was attacking him for his beliefs. I'll try to find it later.

[HYDROGENPAL]

So this movement was created and started by Christians? Jordan Maxwell has been exposing the NWO before Alex was born! What is it that Alex is trying to do here? Even Michael Tsarion said that this movement is not a Christian movement but a movement for all!

please be advised that jordan maxwell is very scary he is using the tell you the truth to tell you a lie tactic, and is very dangerous.

Jordan uses that and the power of suggestion to make you believe what he is saying and then tear you down.

And all in all he IS a Mason.

SO beware

[Dok]

You mean Jordanius Maximus, isnt he a follower of Theosophey also?

[John Gault]

Wow hot topic these Zeitgeist, 2 posts with multiple pages. So I decided to through in my two cents worth. I listen to about 3/4 of the interview on the rebroadcast this morning. It is an understatement to say this interview was toxic, but I actually enjoyed it. Alex as always is never boring and very fiery in this interview. I thought he gave Peter Joseph ample time to express his views and the back an forth disagreeing was entertaining. This is the first I have heard of Joseph, never seen his video or read anything to do with him. So my opinion of him is solely based on this interview. Joseph comes across to me as a gratuitous rock star who denounces everyone around him selling music for money, but he sells his for art. Joseph looks at himself as the smartest guy in the room and the rest of these cretins need to be educated. From this interview he seems to be very smug, a little pompous and reading his worshiping followers posts have made it crystal clear. Peter Joseph is a giant asshole and he has conned the feeble minded soles looking for something to believe in. Good luck to all who believe in this Zeitgeist, you people are going to need it.          

[Firewerk66]

I still do not see how this was not level headed discourse.  I have listened to it 3 times already and see nothing unexpected by the interview whatsoever.

AJ has given tons of solutions in all of his films.  He just does not subscribe to one central solution.  AJ's solution to defeating NWO seems similar to Ron Paul's solution to moving back to the constitution... Promote freedom of the individual, trust the responsibility of the individual.  AJ promotes others to create their own movements and does not control them.  He has promoted many others to spread their own messages.  AJ even gave a clip to Peter Joseph for use in his first movie (WTF, how can anyone say that AJ does not support others).

So the difference in solutions may be that PJ promotes a one world central control system and AJ promotes empowering the individual so that they will never fall for a central structure again.

Look, Alex did a lot for me to realize whats happing in the world. The first Z movie did a lot for me as well because of its approach and the whole bit about religion (which i've felt for a VERY long time even before i "woke up"). I've always thought AJ was a terrible interviewer, it came to a head with Dr. Roberts when he quipped "LET ME FINNISH DAMMIT!" Alex shut his mouth the hell up after that. The PJ interview finally catalyzed my thoughts on AJ's approach. PJ is NOT pro NWO. His ideas have nothing to do with any elites. He is a forward thinker and his ideas should be fleshed out, discussed and not shat upon or vocally bullhorned or dismissed by the scared AJ sheep on this board.

[DCUBED]

please be advised that jordan maxwell is very scary he is using the tell you the truth to tell you a lie tactic, and is very dangerous.

Jordan uses that and the power of suggestion to make you believe what he is saying and then tear you down.

And all in all he IS a Mason.

SO beware

Jordan is a mason? That's a first.

Do you have proof of this statement?

[Firewerk66]

Wow hot topic these Zeitgeist, 2 posts with multiple pages. So I decided to through in my two cents worth. I listen to about 3/4 of the interview on the rebroadcast this morning. It is an understatement to say this interview was toxic, but I actually enjoyed it. Alex as always is never boring and very fiery in this interview. I thought he gave Peter Joseph ample time to express his views and the back an forth disagreeing was entertaining. This is the first I have heard of Joseph, never seen his video or read anything to do with him. So my opinion of him is solely based on this interview. Joseph comes across to me as a gratuitous rock star who denounces everyone around him selling music for money, but he sells his for art. Joseph looks at himself as the smartest guy in the room and the rest of these cretins need to be educated. From this interview he seems to be very smug, a little pompous and reading his worshiping followers posts have made it crystal clear. Peter Joseph is a giant asshole and he has conned the feeble minded soles looking for something to believe in. Good luck to all who believe in this Zeitgeist, you people are going to need it.          

that seem to be a prevailing attitude from some here. i can only say he didnt make ME feel uneducated or illiterate or self conscious. i thought he was very sharp, focused and well spoken. this reminds me of comments made by high school jar heads who look down at the geek for doing well in school.

[noxium]

Alex needs to prove PJ's agenda is NWO. Similarities can be looked at in all forms of this movement. Everyone has their own vision of "Freedom" and in that there are utopian ideals. If we cannot think ahead then we are doomed to fail anyway.

It is also amazing that anyone who thinks differently is banished by some sort of social disapproval in this movement. I say there can be no "Leaders" no "Fathers of the truth movement" as Alex calls himself. That in itself pushes any type of movement into pieces and paradigms, and that is what we are seeing today. Everyone is split and Alex is propagating it through his show today. Very disappointing.

He needs to quit patronizing Atheists, they are just important in this movement as Christians. It is becoming appalling actually that Alex who talks down about people who split the movement is now doing just that and alienating the people who listen to him and also take information from Zeitgeist, Alan Watt, etc.

This is very destructive to anything that has been built, I'm sure the NWO is glad to know that the "Father" is now splitting instead of joining forces against them.

[InfoTruth]

He needs to quit patronizing Atheists, they are just important in this movement than Christians. It is becoming appalling actually that Alex who talks down about people who split the movement is now doing just that and alienating the people who listen to him and also take information from Zeitgeist, Alan Watt, etc.

This is very destructive to anything, I'm sure the NWO is glad to know that the "Father" is now splitting instead of joining forces against them.

Now he's attacking anti-nwo people who are also anti-Christians. Alex if you believe Aleister Crowley is so bad then why do you play rock music that has been influenced by him?

[Geolibertarian]

A one world government is not bad however if THAT government is run by corruption then duh, it's bad.

A one world government is bad by definition if humans (as opposed to divine angels) are the ones running it, because a one world government means a one world army, and humans have spent literally thousands of years proving over and over and over again that they are literally incapable of not abusing that sort of concentrated power.

As Mike Rivero has suggested, decentralized power is somewhat analogous to the watertight compartments in a ship: if one compartment gets flooded with corruption, the rest are protected by the adjoining bulkheads.

[Dig]

Look, Alex did a lot for me to realize whats happing in the world. The first Z movie did a lot for me as well because of its approach and the whole bit about religion (which i've felt for a VERY long time even before i "woke up"). I've always thought AJ was a terrible interviewer, it came to a head with Dr. Roberts when he quipped "LET ME FINNISH DAMMIT!" Alex shut his mouth the hell up after that. The PJ interview finally catalyzed my thoughts on AJ's approach. PJ is NOT pro NWO. His ideas have nothing to do with any elites. He is a forward thinker and his ideas should be fleshed out, discussed and not shat upon or vocally bullhorned or dismissed by the scared AJ sheep on this board.

again I have no idea what you are talking about, PJ was on for 3 hours straight.  They had about equal time to talk.  AJ simply points out how his philosophy matches up nicely with the NWO's vision of a scientific technocracy.  I do not understand why people think that PJ needs so much support.  He is not a weakling that requires extra help to defend his point.  I think it is kind of shameful that PJ is portrayed by many posters as a weak man that has no way to defend himself.  He had over one hour to talk on his own, he got his full message out there.  The only problem is that his message is the same as Brzybsky/Rockefeller/Rothschild/Beatrice/Bilderberg/CFR/UN.  That seems to be the main controversy here, not AJ's natural raw techniques of interviewing.

[Dok]

You guys are just mad that you have been, oh whats the words you guys call us all the time, oh ya "Deceived and Deluded".

[DCUBED]

Now Alex is saying that atheists and agnostics are telling him that he can't have an opinion because he's a Christian. Where is he getting this from?    

[Firewerk66]

again I have no idea what you are talking about, PJ was on for 3 hours straight.  They had about equal time to talk.  AJ simply points out how his philosophy matches up nicely with the NWO's vision of a scientific technocracy.  I do not understand why people think that PJ needs so much support.  He is not a weakling that requires extra help to defend his point.  I think it is kind of shameful that PJ is portrayed by many posters as a weak man that has no way to defend himself.  He had over one hour to talk on his own, he got his full message out there.  The only problem is that his message is the same as Brzybsky/Rockefeller/Rothschild/Beatrice/Bilderberg/CFR/UN.  That seems to be the main controversy here, not AJ's natural raw techniques of interviewing.

THATS NOT TRUE! JESUS f**kING CHRIST!!

[Firewerk66]

Now Alex is saying that atheists and agnostics are telling him that he can't have an opinion because he's a Christian. Where is he getting this from?    

his ego driven way of thinking.

[johnnyoi]

Now Alex is saying that atheists and agnostics are telling him that he can't have an opinion because he's a Christian. Where is he getting this from?    

Well some atheists and agnostics are assholes too.

[Dok]

Theosophey is the offial Religion of the U.N..

[Dig]

Wow hot topic these Zeitgeist, 2 posts with multiple pages. So I decided to through in my two cents worth. I listen to about 3/4 of the interview on the rebroadcast this morning. It is an understatement to say this interview was toxic, but I actually enjoyed it. Alex as always is never boring and very fiery in this interview. I thought he gave Peter Joseph ample time to express his views and the back an forth disagreeing was entertaining. This is the first I have heard of Joseph, never seen his video or read anything to do with him. So my opinion of him is solely based on this interview. Joseph comes across to me as a gratuitous rock star who denounces everyone around him selling music for money, but he sells his for art. Joseph looks at himself as the smartest guy in the room and the rest of these cretins need to be educated. From this interview he seems to be very smug, a little pompous and reading his worshiping followers posts have made it crystal clear. Peter Joseph is a giant asshole and he has conned the feeble minded soles looking for something to believe in. Good luck to all who believe in this Zeitgeist, you people are going to need it.          

Now there is the brilliance I have come to respect.

Listen to the interview 10 times and becomes painfully obvious how fair AJ was with PJ and how PJ's future vision is the same one as HG Wells, Rothschild, Rockefeller, and the rest of the psychopaths.