Zeitgeist Deception - Producer no longer feels 9/11 was an inside job

[trailhound]

Oh I am quite sure how I would defend myself and it isn't with guns. Those who come to dominate me will get nothing, no cooperation, I will NOT comply. Attacking me will just cost them resources and they will gain nothing, I will not work for them or help them in any way. Defending yourself like that takes personal growth and commitment and also an understanding of the concepts I am talking about. Now attacking like wild animals on a message board is not going to lead to any understanding. It is just the equivalent of the WWF on a blog. If you want to stand in the ring and say "I AM THE ULTIMATE BLOGGER GOD, LOOK AT ALL THE BLOGGERS I CRUSH WITH MY POWERFUL AUTHORITATIVE STATEMENTS" go ahead it will lead nowhere. If you want to show a little humility and allow for the possibility that others can teach you something if you listen and are open to learning then there is a possibility that you can gain something. Are you here to learn or to compete with other bloggers and rule them all with your superiority? Most are not here to learn which is why bloggs so often turn into futile wars that never end.

dude go read about all the good intentions the nazis had and become open to the strong possiblity you are falling into a very old idea that does not work. Love that venus flytrap pic somebody posted. But seriously free markets with free individuals in charge of their own lives is a lot younger (and better) idea than this slick packaged BS.

[toto]

I've always wanted my own private jet to get ta work faster peelin me tata's

Move over John 'scientologist' Travolta - Under PJ's moneyless system we all can have a fancy moneyless home and airport.



Seriously, after all the 'Z' dust settles over what we can or can't have, without money, the damage will have been done globally by all those that buy (calm down, figure of speech) into PJ's main pet peeve, those darn Christians.

Que Bono?

(ring ring, the backline phone is ringing again...coming Abe)

[trailhound]

this is horrible. I feel mildly embarrassed for Mr. Joseph. AJ had a great opportunity for a great debate here but pissed it into the wind out of what seems to be self-righteousness.. oh dear.

he gave him the floor at one point and let him just go on, im not sure what you guys heard but its not Alex's fault Peter cant really explain his pipe dreams in a way that makes sense. Same goes for you venus boys on this thread, all i keep hearing is how the mods are closed minded fools etc...not much of an intellectual argument coming from any of you. 

[trailhound]

I've always wanted my own private jet to get ta work faster peelin me tata's

Move over John 'scientologist' Travolta - Under PJ's moneyless system we all can have a fancy moneyless home and airport

sweet!  oh but you wont need that plane there's going to be a magnetic rail and buses you can share with your loving brothers and sisters.

[Another_Ron_Paul_Supporte]

You all want to defend the "free market", but the free market is the base of where we are today. Bringing back a "true" free market would inevitably bring us to the same point we are at, this system does not work.

I don't think we have anything like a free market.

[Dig]

I asked if you allowed for the possibility that you missunderstand PJ? I asked twice now and both times you did not answer the question I asked.

I allow for the possibility that everything is misunderstood.  But is there something specific that you are referring to?  After watching Z 10 times and ZA 5 times, I still do not see that he is targeting central control structures (like NWO), I instead see that he is utilizing real problems (fiat money, state controlled faith systems, illegal invasions, false flag terrorism, Perkins) to support an ideal that I do not agree with.  The ideal of a "better and more universal" central control system rather than the "bad and disparate" central control systems we now have.

I just personally do not believe in central control systems.

[trailhound]

I don't think we have anything like a free market

we dont have a free market

[Atomic]

Hey dude, that's why I posted these questions. Those questions are gaping holes I see in this whole Project Venus theory and I'm asking YOU, ie. the Zeitgeist 'truthers', to come up with a sensible answer to those questions.

I'm not like Peter Joseph in that interview sitting on my high horse claiming to be the all-knowing, all-powerful mind. I put those questions on this forum because he did not address them and started dancing around them - so I'm wondering if the viewers of his film have a better idea of the underlying structure of this new society.

Basically, if you're going to do this, you need a fleshed-out plan. Ie: you need the equivalent of a Constitution, the equivalent of a seperation of powers, or else the whole thing will come undone or be co-opted in a very short time.

See your statement is soaked with Judgements that you have already passed on me, on PJ, on the venus project, etc that we are condescending to you. There is no way to have a dialog with that kind of approach because you already consider me and PJ etc your opponent. First of all I am NOT your opponent, and PJ is NOT Alex's opponent either. Second you want to jump into the last part of the issue before discussing the steps to get there. You are already talking about the invasion and destruction of the Venus project before it has even begun. Sane sees it as a relocation camp where people would be forced to abandon their belief system and give up their free will when it is not that at all. Your whole premise that it would be "co-opted in a very short time" is false to begin with because it is based on the idea of scarcity. If you have all you needs taken care of, a nice place to live, freedom to travel wherever you want and do whatever you like any time why would you need to dominate others? How could you dominate them if they absolutely refused to be dominated? What do you need to steal for if everything belongs to us all already? See PJ is talking about root causes of our social problems and attacking them at the root, not in attacking individuals at all or forcing them to change. He is saying if you take away the cause (scarcity) for our problems many of them will simply go away. It takes a little patience to see what is being said which is in very short supply here.

[toto]

sweet!  oh but you wont need that plane there's going to be a magnetic rail and buses you can share with your loving brothers and sisters.

Me and the inbreeds will want to holiday out and about, outside the compact Agenda 21 city limits - Yellow Stone park, Niagara Falls, Area 51 etc for long weekends off after a hard week peeling tata's.

Will this fancy rail system in PJ's perfect world take us out yonder, or will we all have limited travel rights?

If this fancy rail systen doesn't take us to Disney Land at least, I'll need one of those fancy cars I posted two pages ago, to get use away for a well earned break from time to time. All work and no play is dull. 

[Atomic]

dude go read about all the good intentions the nazis had and become open to the strong possiblity you are falling into a very old idea that does not work. Love that venus flytrap pic somebody posted. But seriously free markets with free individuals in charge of their own lives is a lot younger (and better) idea than this slick packaged BS.

Dude go read and better yet try to understand Gandhi and why he was able to kick the British Empire out of India without violence. Once you understand how he did it and why it worked then you will understand why it is a waste of time to even try to dominate a society who would employ his methods. It cannot be done.

Could I dominate you with a gun if you set your will against me and refused to cooperate? No, I could kill you but I could NOT get your cooperation. It takes REAL courage to fight that way and it takes REAL understanding to grasp what people like Gandhi promoted. The same is true with PJ, you just don't get it and actually it is because of your own arrogance. You have arrogantly convinced yourselves that we who see merit in PJs ideas are just blind fools who don't realize that bad people will try to take advantage of us. I am not blind or a fool.

[squarepusher]

See your statement is soaked with Judgements that you have already passed on me, on PJ, on the venus project, etc that we are condescending to you. There is no way to have a dialog with that kind of approach because you already consider me and PJ etc your opponent. First of all I am NOT your opponent, and PJ is NOT Alex's opponent either.

No, those judgements are based on the way Peter Joseph handled himself yesterday - he came across as one of those left-wing intellectuals like Mayer de Rothschild, thinking they're intellectuals because they talk slower than Alex or try to put him down with condescending comments regarding his religion or his birthplace.

Your whole premise that it would be "co-opted in a very short time" is false to begin with because it is based on the idea of scarcity. If you have all you needs taken care of, a nice place to live, freedom to travel wherever you want and do whatever you like any time why would you need to dominate others? How could you dominate them if they absolutely refused to be dominated? What do you need to steal for if everything belongs to us all already?

What if it already has been co-opted? Who is funding Project Venus? Why does their project sound so much like the utopian dreams of HG Wells, Ayn Rand, et al?

How can you be sure it has not been co-opted? Why does a guy who abhors religion, like Peter Joseph, use a fake name/pseudonym, with biblical connotations?

And before you accuse me of being a bible-thumber, I'm not, I'm an atheist.

See PJ is talking about root causes of our social problems and attacking them at the root, not in attacking individuals at all or forcing them to change. He is saying if you take away the cause (scarcity) for our problems many of them will simply go away. It takes a little patience to see what is being said which is in very short supply here.

And still you have not addressed any of my questions. Let's put it in simpleton language, maybe that gets the point across better:

'what you gonna do - what you gonna do when they come for you?'

What is Project Venus going to do when the New World Order comes for them, guns blazing and all? And assuming this doesn't happen, how are you going to convince these elites, who like the sex, destruction and killing, to join your movement? Why does Peter Joseph think these guys are victim of the society? They're not. They revel in what they do. That's what he doesn't GET.

[Dig]

He is saying if you take away the cause (scarcity) for our problems many of them will simply go away. It takes a little patience to see what is being said which is in very short supply here.

That is a very good point and again speaks to the problem/reaction/solution method of control...

Problem: 9/11
Reaction: We have to do something
Solution: Patriot Act

See the people that create the problem give you the more oppressive solution.

Now taking the scarcity argument:

Problem: scarcity and control of resources
Reaction: corporate greed must end at any cost
Solution: Centrally controlled resource distribution system that has the ability to cause more suffering that corporations ever dreamed of

The same people that have caused the problem are offering the same solution PJ is proposing (Rockefeller/Rothschild/Strong/Beatrice).  The following whistleblower exposed the resource based system plans over 17 years ago and NWO/CFR/Bilderberg writings have outlined this same system and methods to aquire it for decades:

VIDEO: George Hunt UN UNCED Earth Summit 1992 (Population reduction, Bank Scams etc..)



The dark side of the sustainable development movement
George Hunt, a business consultant, was present at the earlier mentioned 1987 Fourth World Wilderness Congress as a member of the staff

 

George Hunt initially wanted to buy a ticket but this proved to be much too expensive ($650). At the conference he noticed it had very little to do with the conventional environment movement and was surprised to see people like Maurice Strong, Edmund de Rothschild (Pilgrims Society), David Rockefeller (Pilgrims Society), and James A. Baker (Pilgrims Society; Cap & Gown; trustee American Institute for Contemporary German Studies; Atlantic Council of the United States; National Security Planning Group; Bohemian Grove; CFR; Carlyle; advisor George W. Bush in his 2000 election). In his two videos, produced in 1989 and 1992, he plays audio recordings of several of the 1987 speakers, including Maurice Strong and Edmund de Rothschild (71). There's not really a reason to label these recordings a hoax (to use UFO community language) and subsequently denounce George Hunt as a fraud. In fact, Hunt could hardly have done a better job at presenting his evidence. However, some of the evidence this person has uncovered is so amazing, that most people will remain skeptical (like me), no matter how much evidence is presented. If what Hunt is claiming is true, then it confirms the overall picture that has been sketched in this article. First take a look at the following Fourth World Wilderness Conference (1987) statement from David Lang (spelling unknown; a Montreal banker, according to Hunt):

"I suggest therefore that this be sold not through a democratic process - that would take too long and devour far too much of the funds - to educate the cannon fodder, unfortunately, that populates the earth. We have to take almost an elitist program, [so] that we can see beyond our swollen bellies, and look to the future in timeframes and in results which are not easily understood, or which can be, with intellectual honesty, be reduced down to some kind of simplistic definition."

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If you are truly interested in finding out what possibilities I am open to, please watch this short video and let me know how PJ differs from the goals of Maurice Strong. Watching Z and ZA in a vacuum will lead to obvious blind faith, but when people see that there is nothing new offered in the supposed solutions other than NWO plans that have been around for decades, they may wonder what the underlying agenda is. 

Thanks

P.S. I have been noticing that all energy companies are promoting resoucrced based systems, that is because the UN/US/EU have thousand page proposals of how to divide the world and its resources to create the similar resourced based system proposed in ZA. 

[Atomic]

I allow for the possibility that everything is misunderstood.  But is there something specific that you are referring to?  After watching Z 10 times and ZA 5 times, I still do not see that he is targeting central control structures (like NWO), I instead see that he is utilizing real problems (fiat money, state controlled faith systems, illegal invasions, false flag terrorism, Perkins) to support an ideal that I do not agree with.  The ideal of a "better and more universal" central control system rather than the "bad and disparate" central control systems we now have.

I just personally do not believe in central control systems.

That is good because PJ is NOT advocating a control system of any kind.

BTW: the NWO is not the central control system now, they are the natural result of the system of scarcity that we have in place. Once that system is removed from operation the NWO will cease to exists.

[Atomic]

No, those judgements are based on the way Peter Joseph handled himself yesterday - he came across as one of those left-wing intellectuals like Mayer de Rothschild, thinking they're intellectuals because they talk slower than Alex or try to put him down with condescending comments regarding his religion or his birthplace.

What if it already has been co-opted? Who is funding Project Venus? Why does their project sound so much like the utopian dreams of HG Wells, Ayn Rand, et al?

How can you be sure it has not been co-opted? Why does a guy who abhors religion, like Peter Joseph, use a fake name/pseudonym, with biblical connotations?

And before you accuse me of being a bible-thumber, I'm not, I'm an atheist.

And still you have not addressed any of my questions. Let's put it in simpleton language, maybe that gets the point across better:

'what you gonna do - what you gonna do when they come for you?'

What is Project Venus going to do when the New World Order comes for them, guns blazing and all? And assuming this doesn't happen, how are you going to convince these elites, who like the sex, destruction and killing, to join your movement? Why does Peter Joseph think these guys are victim of the society? They're not. They revel in what they do. That's what he doesn't GET.

As a "simpleton" I already answered you just a few lines above your insult. Look WWF blogging is a waste of time. Good day.

[Dolphin]

Me and the inbreeds will want to holiday out and about, outside the compact Agenda 21 city limits - Yellow Stone park, Niagara Falls, Area 51 etc for long weekends off after a hard week peeling tata's.

Will this fancy rail system in PJ's perfect world take us out yonder, or will we all have limited travel rights?

If this fancy rail systen doesn't take us to Disney Land at least, I'll need one of those fancy cars I posted two pages ago, to get use away for a well earned break from time to time. All work and no play is dull. 

didn't quite get what you was on about for the first few post now I do, very cunning plan baldric but your thinking small just take the entire world it's yours after all, why stop with those material things when you can have it all and dominate anyone who choose to be dominated throwing a spanner in the whole works for fun, since we're getting away with everything without consequence.

[squarepusher]

As a "simpleton" I already answered you just a few lines above your insult. Look WWF blogging is a waste of time. Good day.

No, it was not an 'insult'. I was not implying you were a simpleton - just saying that just like Peter Joseph, you start talking about this 'scarcity' concept as if that's some silver magic bullet to all the world's ailments.

Tell me what it is I don't get about this whole 'scarcity' concept? Why do people like you and Peter Joseph insist that once you change that, everything falls into place? What does scarcity have to do with 'full-spectrum dominance'?

BTW, talking about scarcity.... the elite create artificial scarcity, whether it be food or oil.

So in other words, tell me what it is I don't understand about this 'scarcity' concept.

[Dig]

That is good because PJ is NOT advocating a control system of any kind.

BTW: the NWO is not the central control system now, they are the natural result of the system of scarcity that we have in place. Once that system is removed from operation the NWO will cease to exists.

At the risk of sounding highly ignorant I will ask the following...

Do you have any evidence at all to substantiate your incredible statement after "BTW"?

[TheGoodFight1984]

he gave him the floor at one point and let him just go on, im not sure what you guys heard but its not Alex's fault Peter cant really explain his pipe dreams in a way that makes sense. Same goes for you venus boys on this thread, all i keep hearing is how the mods are closed minded fools etc...not much of an intellectual argument coming from any of you. 

I'm not even gonna start debating the validity of ideas or get into anything touched upon in this thread because I haven't watched the film yet nor do I want to waste my time having an opinion that no one will read anyway, my beef is with the way AJ spoke to him.. it just sucked that is all. carry on..

[squarepusher]

BTW I find it odd that the people I'm having a discussion with regarding these unanswered Project Venus questions start using the same terms and catchphrases coined by Peter Joseph in yesterday's radio interview...

'WWF wrestling-style debates'
'age of scarcity'
'learn from each other'

Look, I thoroughly enjoyed Zeitgeist the first one, I even subscribe to some of the theories of the first part, which Alex widely condemns. But I have serious problems with the second one, and I'd appreciate it if the people who embrace the Addendum can explain to me what I'm supposedly not 'getting' about the second part.

[Atomic]

Problem: Federal Reserve

Poor solution: Wave signs and yell on bullhorns about how bad it is.
Better solution: Stop paying income tax in mass to starve out the Fed.
Best solution: Eliminate the monetary system (based on scarcity) altogether.


PJ is thinking in terms of the best solutions. Those of you who are attacking him are thinking of the poor solutions or no solutions at all.

BTW Sane the whole point of the new system PJ is advocating is that it is NOT based on scarcity but rather on resources. In other words it is based on abundance.

[Dok]

BTW Sane the whole point of the new system PJ is advocating is that it is NOT based on scarcity but rather on resources. In other words it is based on abundance.

What happens when those resorces run scarce? Who will get to decide who gets what? What class of citizen will be first, sholud we supply the rulers first, or maybe the Doctors? What about the scientists that provide the technology? Who will come last in that situation?

[squarepusher]

Better solution: Stop paying income tax in mass to starve out the Fed.

You do know the consequences of doing that? The IRS is the enforcing arm of the Federal Reserve international banking scam - they're there to make SURE you pay your slave payment. It's like Jordan Maxwell said about the IRS, 'You mess with us, Jack, and we're going to break your face'.

So you're saying it's a bad solution to inform others about the fraudulous nature of the Federal Reserve and the IRS, but a good solution to stop paying income tax and then risk letting these people get beat up in the process?

First education, then action.

[pizzedoff]

What happens when those resorces run scarce? Who will get to decide who gets what? What class of citizen will be first, sholud we supply the rulers first, or maybe the Doctors? What about the scientists that provide the technology? Who will come last in that situation?

excellent point, more then likely it will be new elite who would guide us to this new utopia

[Firewerk66]

You don't understand Zeitgeist or Peter Joseph and you know something you and the other moderator combined with Alex just convinced me that I am in the wrong crowd. This is bullshit to treat him like he is NWO scum. Instead of growing up, here you can have my official resignation from WeAreChange Los Angeles. You are NOT the change I want to see in the world. You crap all over your allies simply because you have difficulty grasping what they are saying. Obviously you don't see what PJ was saying based on your comments which were totally off the mark. Good luck, you are going to need it since you obviously intend to alienate all the people that don't agree with Alex 100% of the time. Shhh don't tell anyone but that means everyone.

I felt exactly the same way after that "interview", so much so that I cancelled my Prison Planet.TV membership last night as a personal protest. I'll still listen to AJ to keep up with the latest news, but thats about it.

In the end though, Alex did reiterate on several occasions that he agreed with both movies about 90%, which makes his conduct even more reprehensible. What would that interview be like he AJ TOTALLY disagreed with it premises?

[Dig]

Problem: Federal Reserve

Poor solution: Wave signs and yell on bullhorns about how bad it is.
Better solution: Stop paying income tax in mass to starve out the Fed.
Best solution: Eliminate the monetary system (based on scarcity) altogether.


PJ is thinking in terms of the best solutions. Those of you who are attacking him are thinking of the poor solutions or no solutions at all.

BTW Sane the whole point of the new system PJ is advocating is that it is NOT based on scarcity but rather on resources. In other words it is based on abundance.

Again, you simply ignore the historical fact that the resource based system on abundance rather than scarcity is the solution proposed by the same people that created fiat money and control resources.

Best solution is to have a monetary system based on an unbiased system of exchange (monetary system based on gold/silver/etc.).  A resource based system requires a central control system and that is why it is so appealing to Rockefeller/Rothschild and that is why they have been requiring it to be a future standard in CFR documents/UN documents/EU documents/SPP documents/etc.  To simply ignore the facts that a resource based system is the future Rockefeller/Rothschild want us to promote is one acceptable belief to have.  I personally rather not just ignore this.  I rather find out why both the ZA film and the over 50 year record of the NWO have very similar objectives and/or underlying agendas.

[toto]

..why stop with those material things when you can have it all.., since we're getting away with everything without consequence.

The PJ theory -- people will be able to walk into a supermarket and take what they like.

My twelve children (and the fifteen more I'm gonna have when PJ food is free), after ten minutes and three trips to and from our new fancy Limo car, will clean the store out of all the food. (hungry little rug rat critters)

Obviously there has to be a limit on how much inbreeds like me and my lazy family can, or can't take - A system to measure how much we took versus the amount of work (peeling tata's four hours a week) put back into the community(ism) system as french fry chip, contributors.

A method of recording my shopping spree would be needed -- Something called "work credits", or an old idea, something called 'money' would still be needed?

[Atomic]

No, it was not an 'insult'. I was not implying you were a simpleton - just saying that just like Peter Joseph, you start talking about this 'scarcity' concept as if that's some silver magic bullet to all the world's ailments.

Tell me what it is I don't get about this whole 'scarcity' concept? Why do people like you and Peter Joseph insist that once you change that, everything falls into place? What does scarcity have to do with 'full-spectrum dominance'?

BTW, talking about scarcity.... the elite create artificial scarcity, whether it be food or oil.

So in other words, tell me what it is I don't understand about this 'scarcity' concept.

The monetary system we have in place now is based on scarcity or in other words there is not enough for everyone so people start to hoard in fear that they or their family won't have enough. In reality we have more then enough for everyones needs if it was simply shared among us. There is plenty of food, energy, building materials, etc for all of us. Think of it like a pot luck where everyone brings something to eat. Did you ever notice how there is always a lot of leftovers at a pot luck? That is how the world could be if we eliminated the monetary system and instead just used the resources we have in abundance.

[Atomic]

What happens when those resorces run scarce? Who will get to decide who gets what? What class of citizen will be first, sholud we supply the rulers first, or maybe the Doctors? What about the scientists that provide the technology? Who will come last in that situation?

When the sun burns out solar power will be hard to come by but until then it will be available essentially forever, same with geo thermal energy and wind, etc. Crops can be grown every year just like we do now, trees will still keep growing so we can harvest building materials. All of what we need is renewable and we have plenty. You are thinking in terms of scarcity.

[Dig]

I felt exactly the same way after that "interview", so much so that I cancelled my Prison Planet.TV membership last night as a personal protest. I'll still listen to AJ to keep up with the latest news, but thats about it.

In the end though, Alex did reiterate on several occasions that he agreed with both movies about 90%, which makes his conduct even more reprehensible. What would that interview be like he AJ TOTALLY disagreed with it premises?

"The question is not who is going to decide but how the decisions will be made."

I cannot believe AJ let this go on for so long.  This is one of the most amazing displays of self control.  This guy is even more pompous than David Rothschild.  Wow, this guy just simply repeats the same doctrines within the NWO, CFR, Bilderberg/etc for decades.

How is this possibly denied?

There is no such thing as evil?

There is no bad in the world without scarcity?

Why is Brzynsky proposing the same technocratic future as Peter Joseph?

[Dok]

When the sun burns out solar power will be hard to come by but until then it will be available essentially forever, same with geo thermal energy and wind, etc. Crops can be grown every year just like we do now, trees will still keep growing so we can harvest building materials. All of what we need is renewable and we have plenty. You are thinking in terms of scarcity.

Im thinking in terms of reality, all you need is for one massive Volcano to explode and throw the world into a Little Ice Age, Then you will be in a scarece situation, hell just with the worlds population now we are in a scare situation. Again back to my question who gets to eat first and who gets to eat last? Will it be the High and Mighty or the poor peasents??

[Dig]

Is there a transcript of this interview anywhere?

I think it may help quite a bit to explain in detail how amazingly controlled and composed AJ was for so long.   It was like watching a CFR meeting on C-SPAN where they are promoting the view that decisions should never be left up to uneducated humans and that elites need to make these important decisions.

This interview will go a long way in exposing the similarities between NWO agendas and the ZA agenda.

[Atomic]

At the risk of sounding highly ignorant I will ask the following...

Do you have any evidence at all to substantiate your incredible statement after "BTW"?

Yes simply by this statement. If the NWO were eliminated today it would reform very quickly into just as bad or worse then it is now. History shows that to be true. Central bank is formed, bleeds us dry, central bank is thrown off, some time passes and the central bank is re-formed and proceeds to bleed us dry again. Over and over it happens because the natural tendency in this system of scarcity is greed and competition to survive on limited resources. The real central control system is the idea of scarcity. We have plenty but this system encourages and in fact creates greed and hoarding. The NWO is us man, under this way of doing things we are all trying to become the richest and most powerful or the NWO if you will. Look at the guy crapping all over PJs ideas saying well what if I want yachts and cars and to be lazy etc etc. He wants to be the NWO, don't you see that? He doesn't even grasp the concept of everything belonging to everyone and why he would not need his own yacht as a result.

[Dig]

When the sun burns out solar power will be hard to come by but until then it will be available essentially forever, same with geo thermal energy and wind, etc. Crops can be grown every year just like we do now, trees will still keep growing so we can harvest building materials. All of what we need is renewable and we have plenty. You are thinking in terms of scarcity.

"You are thinking in terms of scarcity."

Wow, I never thought I would hear that.  If we are thinking in terms of scarcity, you are thinking in terms of deluded futurism where evil does not exist and the scientific systems of allocating resources are fair, just, and uninhibited by the same elites that proposed this system to begin with.

[Dig]

Yes simply by this statement. If the NWO were eliminated today it would reform very quickly into just as bad or worse then it is now. History shows that to be true. Central bank is formed, bleeds us dry, central bank is thrown off, some time passes and the central bank is re-formed and proceeds to bleed us dry again. Over and over it happens because the natural tendency in this system of scarcity is greed and competition to survive on limited resources. The real central control system is the idea of scarcity. We have plenty but this system encourages and in fact creates greed and hoarding. The NWO is us man, under this way of doing things we are all trying to become the richest and most powerful or the NWO if you will. Look at the guy crapping all over PJs ideas saying well what if I want yachts and cars and to be lazy etc etc. He wants to be the NWO, don't you see that? He doesn't even grasp the concept of everything belonging to everyone and why he would not need his own yacht as a result.

I think you may be limiting your understanding of the over 6,000 year history of the NWO ideals.  This goes back before western religions to the age of the pyramids and snake god operations.  The idea of scarcity is based on deception.  Central Banking is simply a tool in the system of deception.  Deception is not eliminated with central scientific power structures.  Deception is minimized with local control of communities, limited government as outlined in the constitution.

It is amazing the lengths that NWO futurists go to in ignoring the simple solutions of the constitution.  Limited government, rights of man, free thought, free market, freedom of religion/faith, etc.

[Firewerk66]

Yes simply by this statement. If the NWO were eliminated today it would reform very quickly into just as bad or worse then it is now. History shows that to be true. Central bank is formed, bleeds us dry, central bank is thrown off, some time passes and the central bank is re-formed and proceeds to bleed us dry again. Over and over it happens because the natural tendency in this system of scarcity is greed and competition to survive on limited resources. The real central control system is the idea of scarcity. We have plenty but this system encourages and in fact creates greed and hoarding. The NWO is us man, under this way of doing things we are all trying to become the richest and most powerful or the NWO if you will. Look at the guy crapping all over PJs ideas saying well what if I want yachts and cars and to be lazy etc etc. He wants to be the NWO, don't you see that? He doesn't even grasp the concept of everything belonging to everyone and why he would not need his own yacht as a result.

first off i agree with you and PJ, but you are chasing your tail here on this message board. the people opposed to ZA can't grasp the notion that the new model requires a completely new mindset and method of educating our young. of course the new model would be corrupted and fail if we were to simply install it now with the way we as a species think about the needs of society.

[Atomic]

"You are thinking in terms of scarcity."

Wow, I never thought I would hear that.  If we are thinking in terms of scarcity, you are thinking in terms of deluded futurism where evil does not exist and the scientific systems of allocating resources are fair, just, and uninhibited by the same elites that proposed this system to begin with.

You know something, you don't want solutions or even to talk about possibilities for solutions. You want to distort everything PJ said and what I said like suggest we said evil does not exist, that is an outright lie, neither PJ or I said or imply anything of the sort. What you want is to be king of the WWF blog here because your dander is up and your ego is involved. Fine buddy believe whatever you want, crap all over PJ who is trying to solve problems the best way he can. Convince yourself that he is just another arm of the NWO out to get ya. It's pathetic, I am done with this crap, it will go nowhere, it is just a big circle jerk. I resign from WAC, I reject Alex's treatment of Peter, I reject your devisive rhetoric and I will just go along my merry way without worrying one second more about any of you. You have no solutions, all you have is snotty attacks and grandstanding WWF style. You don't want to learn anything, you have no humility, you all think you are teachers who know it all when you should just shut your big mouths and listen and learn. Good bye.

[Dig]

You know something, you don't want solutions or even to talk about possibilities for solutions. You want to distort everything PJ said and what I said like suggest we said evil does not exist, that is an outright lie, neither PJ or I said or imply anything of the sort. What you want is to be king of the WWF blog here because your dander is up and your ego is involved. Fine buddy believe whatever you want, crap all over PJ who is trying to solve problems the best way he can. Convince yourself that he is just another arm of the NWO out to get ya. It's pathetic, I am done with this crap, it will go nowhere, it is just a big circle jerk. I resign from WAC, I reject Alex's treatment of Peter, I reject your devisive rhetoric and I will just go along my merry way without worrying one second more about any of you. You have no solutions, all you have is snotty attacks and grandstanding WWF style. You don't want to learn anything, you have no humility, you all think you are teachers who know it all when you should just shut your big mouths and listen and learn. Good bye.

Holy crap, the other member was right...

There are consistent talking points perpetuated between PJ and supposedly random bloggers defending the futurist resource based system of central control (in other words NWO):

WWF (BTW the use of the term WWF is comical because the World Wrestling Federation proved to be less powerful than Maurice Strong's World Wildlife Foundation and that is why the "WWF" is now refered to as WWE.  What is also comical is that the WWF-World Wrestling Federation has been one of the largest deception mechanisms for a resource based future economy. And they have been around long before Z or ZA).

You have no humility, you cannot learn, etc.

Amazing talking points uncovered again.

Do you work for Rendon, Lindoln, Omnicom, CFR, WWF?

[Time2Reveal]

I was thoroughly disgusted by Alex today... I have to re-think ALEX. I have always liked Alex. but Whether you think zeitgeist is a good movie, or right, it's points about money ARE dead on..

Alex acted like a child.

Like Bill O'REilley

[donnay]

Dude go read and better yet try to understand Gandhi and why he was able to kick the British Empire out of India without violence. Once you understand how he did it and why it worked then you will understand why it is a waste of time to even try to dominate a society who would employ his methods. It cannot be done.

And, in the end, when Gandhi was assassinated what message did that send?

A peaceful man's life ended in violence. 

No matter how you slice it, we cannot get away from the control freaks and they will do whatever it takes to get what they want when they want it.  That is of course, if we submit to it.

I, myself, would love nothing more than to be left alone but in the world we currently live in, the reality is, that isn't going to happen any time soon.

My motto is; prepare for the worse and hope for the best.

[Initiated]

I just listened to Alex's interview with Peter Joseph. I agree that Alex could have handled himself better. It did seem that he was on the defensive from the beginning and did act a bit childish in quite a few instances (like the "feeble-minded" comment and many others) as well as being his naturally overbearing self. However, it is his radio show and he did allow him to speak uninterrupted at one point during the broadcast. I have a ton of respect for Alex and what he does and I have a lot of respect for Peter as well and what he is trying to accomplish, but it did seem more of a bridge-burning interview than anything productive for the listeners or the movement in general.

Sadly though, I kind of expected this. I just hope it doesn't fragment the kind and caring people that stand for truth (hopefully together) and want a real change. It could have been a good conversation about exposing the real criminals and directing that frustration, which we all have, towards that purpose.