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Globalization and the plan for New Word Order => Secret Societies => : corsig August 14, 2007, 10:55:51 AM

: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: corsig August 14, 2007, 10:55:51 AM
I would love to know why Alex is so against the Masons. What proof is there that they do anything wrong.

I know from listening to the show for about 2 years now AJ doesn't like them and neither does his guests.

Is it a religious reason or is there proof of any wrong doings.

Would be interested in hearing more about this very much

Cory
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: Harpakhrad11 August 14, 2007, 12:07:53 PM
He has claimed that at the highest levels the Masonic leaders worship a blood-drinking Black Dragon. I would like to know where he received that information from.
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: corsig August 14, 2007, 12:11:41 PM
That is a wacky story to base his dislike on. I would to hear him talk more about it.
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: Rebel_Alliance August 14, 2007, 12:34:36 PM
 Investigate and study the History of Freemasonry. Originated from Knights Templar. Templar members invented and created the Banking Institutions of Europe. Funding castle and cathedral construction, hence Masonry. Many Templar members where of Nobility keeping the money and power among themselves. King Philip the 4th of France, new that this power was a threat. He broke away from the Vatican and appointed his own Pope. They started an Inquisition against the Templars many was arrested and burned at the stake including Jacques Molay. Many Templar members rightly charged with witchcraft and homosexuality. The rest of the Templars fled to Scotland and England, the Scottish and York right of Masonry.
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: thought_criminal August 14, 2007, 12:35:48 PM
Sorry I don't have any hard facts... But I work with several masons, (some have stickers on their car, some I was told about) and their just ...  damned creepy.
If you ask them a question, or say hello, they sort of ignore you like you don't exist.
  I'm pretty sure I exist. Everyone else seems nice and actually says hello. Mabie these guys somehow know I'm a 911 truther, even though I keep my thoughts to myself at work.
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: Harpakhrad11 August 14, 2007, 12:42:09 PM
I know Masons love to claim that they have a legacy from the Knights Templar, but the evidence seems very questionable.
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: corsig August 14, 2007, 04:01:33 PM
I am a Mason and not many of us state to be descendants of the Templar's. More than not disagree with that theory.

Yes they did say that they were into witchcraft and other things like homosexuality but it was said out of being tortured for years. I would admit to it as well if I was being treated like they were.

To say that every mason you have ever met treated you like you don't exist is silly and I wager to bet it isn't like that at all. Trust me I am far from creepy LOL

Still even though AJ says they are bad and evil I still listen to him daily so I can't be that bad right. At the end of the day I'm fighting the same fight you are.

Cory
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: Saxo August 14, 2007, 06:32:40 PM
we square our actions by square of our virtue
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: JTCoyoté August 14, 2007, 06:49:57 PM
we square our actions by square of our virtue

Saxo... that sounds like... the mean used, are justified by the end... or  more commonly, "the end justifies the means" ... what say you...? -- Oldyoti

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." -- Thomas Jefferson
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: Horatio_Bunce August 14, 2007, 06:57:28 PM
I am a Mason and not many of us state to be descendants of the Templar's. More than not disagree with that theory.

Yes they did say that they were into witchcraft and other things like homosexuality but it was said out of being tortured for years. I would admit to it as well if I was being treated like they were.

To say that every mason you have ever met treated you like you don't exist is silly and I wager to bet it isn't like that at all. Trust me I am far from creepy LOL

Still even though AJ says they are bad and evil I still listen to him daily so I can't be that bad right. At the end of the day I'm fighting the same fight you are.

Cory

You are saying that you have researched the organization you're a part of and still believe it to be an ethical organization?

Hey, by now you may know I'm not for political parties, but what was the 3rd political party to exist in America? Why was this party formed?
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: LeveL August 14, 2007, 08:14:14 PM
I should think Alex is not opposed to the main bulk of Freemasons, they are after all human beings the same as any other "bulk" of any other organization. What I personally oppose is the people RUNNING Freemasonry. Take for example the Grand Master Albert Pike - check into the stuff he wrote in his book "Morals and Dogma" which was handed to Freemasons up until th 1970's. Now that was one evil man! But because the leaders are evil, it doesn't mean the bulk of the members (what is it 3 Million Freemasons in the USA?) even know whats going on in the top echelons.

Saying "all Freemasons are evil" is like saying "all voters are evil", whilst they predominantly vote for evil and corrupt parties, most people don't know these organizations and parties are evil and corrupt, so then we get Freemasons asking "hey why do you hate me" when its not the case.

Did the people in Germany in the mid 1930's voting for the Nazi Party really support all the things Hitler had in store - absolutely no way! But we view those voters as "Nazi's"??? YES WE DO! So then they *must* all be evil? Nope - because they are human beings.

I don't defend the Pope (who was a Nazi) but you gotta read into it - he was a Nazi as a child, so how evil can a child be? Come on, not very evil, its a freaking child... whether he remained a Nazi later on I don't know, but I don't think he did. Again though, the Pope has to be one of the most corrupt, evil people on Earth, why... because he is there at the TOP thats why, scum rises to the top, its that simple.
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: zlater August 14, 2007, 09:18:35 PM
what defines the main bulk of freemasons or the light edition of the bulk/group?

just curious because i'd like to properly understand the term and how/why/where it is used.. i should do research i know but seems a good place to ask.
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: JTCoyoté August 14, 2007, 10:21:24 PM
what defines the main bulk of freemasons or the light edition of the bulk/group?

just curious because i'd like to properly understand the term and how/why/where it is used.. i should do research i know but seems a good place to ask.

Zlater... Here is a good place to go... but get ready because it is all here and this man knows the beast... there are days of audio and CDs and books you can get if you wish.
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com)

--Oldyoti

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” -- Gandhi --
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: zlater August 14, 2007, 10:35:07 PM
thanks. bookmarked and ready for analysis when i have some more spare time..
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: corsig August 15, 2007, 10:04:21 AM
what defines the main bulk of freemasons or the light edition of the bulk/group?

just curious because i'd like to properly understand the term and how/why/where it is used.. i should do research i know but seems a good place to ask.

Zlater... Here is a good place to go... but get ready because it is all here and this man knows the beast... there are days of audio and CDs and books you can get if you wish.
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com)

--Oldyoti

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” -- Gandhi --



Yes I agree this is an interesting site. I love listening to him but find it very difficult to understand what he is saying, the volume is just too low.

To answer another question from above yes I am a Mason and have studied it as well. I think one must have first hand knowledge of something before really a definite opinion.

It's too easy to say "This and That" about the organization from hearsay secondhand info. One of the biggest Anti component comes from religious groups. You rarely see an non Christian oppose masonry ( that was not an anti-Christian statement either).

The 3rd party that ever existed was indeed the anti-masonic party that arose because it was the popular thing at that time much like Immigration and War stances now and the party thought they would gain momentum using that platform. As you know it was very unsuccessful and lost horribly.





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: roscoe August 16, 2007, 12:47:07 AM
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I would love to know why Alex is so against the Masons. What proof is there that they do anything wrong.

I know from listening to the show for about 2 years now AJ doesn't like them and neither does his guests.

Is it a religious reason or is there proof of any wrong doings.

Would be interested in hearing more about this very much

Cory

Please read this.

Worshippers of Lucifer (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/worshippers_of_lucifer.htm)
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: corsig August 16, 2007, 10:10:43 AM
Much of that is rubbish my friend.
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: roscoe August 16, 2007, 02:13:35 PM
Much of that is rubbish my friend.

For example?
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: corsig August 16, 2007, 04:48:57 PM
So much of what was in that is the same old same old. The whole Lucifer thing was a hoax that was admitted as much from Leo Taxil who wanted to hurt the church at the time. You can find that any where.

The DC street plans is a stretch of the imagination.

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: Kregener August 16, 2007, 05:21:00 PM
No Novice Mason has any understanding of what goes on at the 33rd degree level.

Freemasons have been duped into an evil cabal.

You should get out...soonest.
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: syxle August 17, 2007, 05:28:49 AM
"The DC street plans is a stretch of the imagination."

It most certainly is not.

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: roscoe August 17, 2007, 05:50:34 AM
So much of what was in that is the same old same old. The whole Lucifer thing was a hoax that was admitted as much from Leo Taxil who wanted to hurt the church at the time. You can find that any where.

The DC street plans is a stretch of the imagination.



So firstly it wasn't MUCH of this is rubbish, it was merely two aspects of it.

Dealing with these two

See Leo Taxil Canard refuted (http://freemasonrywatch.org/luciferquotes.html)

Secondly look at this:

(http://clivedavis.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/02/washington.jpg)

Here is the original map for Washington DC drawn by Pierre l'Enfant.

Your attention is drawn to the proposed Longitude of Washington DC.

Zero degrees longitude.

An interesting lecture was given on the 18th January 2001 at UMIST (Manchester University) as to why Washington DC was chosen for the New World zero longitude. The title of the Lecture was 'The Great dismal Swamp' which was used to describe what is now the site of the US capital. The fact is that Washington DC was placed there by esoteric and hermetic design and had nothing to do with practical logistical considerations.

As an aside Britains first suicide bomber killed himself in 1885. He was French and his target was the Greenwich Observatory, home of the Greenwich meridian.

  

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: Dig August 17, 2007, 03:45:54 PM
I never noticed it before, but it looks like a stellar formation. Anyone familiar with that stuff?
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: corsig August 17, 2007, 06:05:06 PM
First off I'm not here to preach or condone anyone. We're all brothers fighting along side each other right?

I wanted to know whey AJ is so against the Masons. What is his main reason for the hatred.

I belong to too many message boards where we discuss this type of stuff all day so I don't need to add another one to the list. LOL

The DC streets do have what it looks like some formations of a S&C depending upon who you ask they will say yes or now whether they agree but the whole Taxil thing is a hoax sorry but I can't give in to that one at all.

The whole no one knows what happens after 33° is also so played out it gets boring.

Now if AJ had some hard proof I would LOVE to see it and then I would offer my apologizes to all.
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: Harpakhrad11 August 17, 2007, 07:33:52 PM
Now if AJ had some hard proof I would LOVE to see it and then I would offer my apologizes to all.

I would like to hear where he got that "Black Dragon" thing.
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: Aqua Teen Hunger Force August 17, 2007, 10:55:12 PM
I am a Mason and not many of us state to be descendants of the Templar's. More than not disagree with that theory.

Yes they did say that they were into witchcraft and other things like homosexuality but it was said out of being tortured for years. I would admit to it as well if I was being treated like they were.

To say that every mason you have ever met treated you like you don't exist is silly and I wager to bet it isn't like that at all. Trust me I am far from creepy LOL

First of all, you claim masonry, your people have infiltrated every sector of western society,What degree are you, because you sound like you are not "very far up the ladder" at this time, I know personally several 33 degree masons and they are wicked, just like every "secret society" is dedicated to serving lucifer, so you shall find out when they "promote " you to the higher levels, but by then it will be to late( but the ones that did get out are only still alive because of the power of God himself,

You will either quit now or you will serve lucifer from now on till you die, then you will be allowed to exist eternally with him in HELL!

Still even though AJ says they are bad and evil I still listen to him daily so I can't be that bad right. At the end of the day I'm fighting the same fight you are.

Cory
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: roscoe August 18, 2007, 12:11:11 AM
First off I'm not here to preach or condone anyone. We're all brothers fighting along side each other right?

I wanted to know whey AJ is so against the Masons. What is his main reason for the hatred.

I belong to too many message boards where we discuss this type of stuff all day so I don't need to add another one to the list. LOL

The DC streets do have what it looks like some formations of a S&C depending upon who you ask they will say yes or now whether they agree but the whole Taxil thing is a hoax sorry but I can't give in to that one at all.

The whole no one knows what happens after 33° is also so played out it gets boring.

Now if AJ had some hard proof I would LOVE to see it and then I would offer my apologizes to all.

You have had many people who have left masonry after reaching 32 degrees. When they find out what's really going on. Read their story.

33 degree initiation (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/33rd_Initiation.htm)

Also read this.

Terminated by Henry Makow PhD (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/terminated.htm)

and this:

"The Blue Degrees are but the court or portico (porch) of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them… their true explication (explanation and understanding) is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (those of the 32nd and 33rd Degrees)."

(Morals and Dogma, page 819).


and it is also mentioned in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion how Masonry will be used to further their aims.

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 18, 2007, 12:36:24 AM
I never noticed it before, but it looks like a stellar formation. Anyone familiar with that stuff?

Read David Ovason.

Ovason’s premise, if not belief, is that Pierre Charles L'Enfant (b. 1754/08/02, d. 1825/06/14) and Major Ellicott (b. 1754/01/24, d. 1820) intended Pennsylvania Avenue to provide a view of the setting sun from the Capitol building annually on August 10th. The reason for this was because on that day the sun is in 17 degrees of Leo and the star Regalus sets over the White House just over half an hour after sunset, leaving the stars "Spica, in Virgo, and Arcturus in Bootes." "They are the three stars which Masons such as Pike and Brunet recognized as enclosing the constellation of Virgo." [p. 346] This, he asserts, proves "the city was intended to celebrate the mystery of Virgo — of the Egyptian Isis, the Grecian Ceres and the Christian Virgin." [p. 349]

The Mystery of Virgo is that as we know Jesus was born "of a Virgin" . The constellation of Virgo is known by the Jews as the House of Bread or in Hebrew Beth Lehem. It was the astrological event in Virgo that the Magi followed. Shown below:

(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/Jupiter-regulus.jpg)

The star alpha Virginis or Spica (the ear of wheat) is known as l'Epi (The Thorn) in France. The Cathedral of Reims is known as Notre Dame de l'Epi. It and several other cathedrals including Chartres form a map on the ground describing the constellation of Virgo. Chartres cathedral corresponds to the star beta Virginis which is Porrima, named after the Roman goddess of childbirth.

Spica is close to the intersection of the ecliptic and the equatorial (i.e. the position of the Sun on the vernal equinox). As Virgo (House of Bread) rises Pisces (House of Fishes) sets.

If up to now you have thought that is is merely interesting then let me say that the date for that star pattern is

SEPTEMBER 11th 3BC

September 11th 2001 symbolises the coming of the anti-christ (The Age of Lucifer).

No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a LUCIFERIAN Initiation."

(David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations)

Lucifer, having regained his star and his diadem, will assemble his legions for new works of creation. Attracted by his flaming torch, celestial spirits will descend…and he will send these messengers from unknown spheres to earth. Then the torch of Lucifer will signal ‘From Heaven to Earth!’---and the …(New Age) Christ will answer ‘From Earth to Heaven!’” [xxii]

Occultist Edouard Schure
As published by the Masonic publisher called The Torch Press.

REMEMBER THIS? 88 beams of light shone from Ground Zero for 33 days from March 11th 2002 to April 14th 2002

(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/beams.jpg)

Now take another look at this page (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/worshippers_of_lucifer.htm)

Particularly have a look at Satan's calling card (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/Satans%20calling%20card.htm) by popular best selling author Robert Bauval.

The attacks of September 11th was a Satanic ritual. Anyone reading this who is a Blue Lodge Mason (low degree) will have no knowledge of this, you are being used.

You didn't think all those priviliges came without a price did you?



: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 18, 2007, 08:09:50 AM
Roscoe- no offense but you really can't believe every little thing you read on the internet these days. That one story has been circulating around for years and it just so happens to be from a newly born again Christian. As I said before the really only group that is against the masons are born agains.

Why aren't there more stories of people coming out telling the TV news about Satanic rituals if it was true. These days people run to tell their stories to anyone who will listen yet the only one we hear is that one you gave a link to.

And regarding the quote from Pike- yeah so? what's the point?

First off I'm not here to preach or condone anyone. We're all brothers fighting along side each other right?

I wanted to know whey AJ is so against the Masons. What is his main reason for the hatred.

I belong to too many message boards where we discuss this type of stuff all day so I don't need to add another one to the list. LOL

The DC streets do have what it looks like some formations of a S&C depending upon who you ask they will say yes or now whether they agree but the whole Taxil thing is a hoax sorry but I can't give in to that one at all.

The whole no one knows what happens after 33° is also so played out it gets boring.

Now if AJ had some hard proof I would LOVE to see it and then I would offer my apologizes to all.

You have had many people who have left masonry after reaching 32 degrees. When they find out what's really going on. Read their story.

33 degree initiation (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/33rd_Initiation.htm)

Also read this.

Terminated by Henry Makow PhD (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/terminated.htm)

and this:

"The Blue Degrees are but the court or portico (porch) of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them… their true explication (explanation and understanding) is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (those of the 32nd and 33rd Degrees)."

(Morals and Dogma, page 819).


and it is also mentioned in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion how Masonry will be used to further their aims.


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: zlater August 18, 2007, 08:25:41 AM
I wouldn't put my hopes in the meinstream media, TV or even newspapers..

Alternative media is mostly downtoearth and i trust AJ for one due to his experience in this.

There are freemasons in very high positions here and they are granted privileges.. Shouldn't hurt to get more details and facts on this matter..
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: corsig August 18, 2007, 08:34:12 AM
I agree and that's my point I'm waiting to hear about it and in 2 years of listening I haven't heard anything to sway me.

When you listen to Alan Watt he gives more details but it's almost impossible to make out what he he saying half the time.
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: roscoe August 19, 2007, 12:29:34 AM
I agree and that's my point I'm waiting to hear about it and in 2 years of listening I haven't heard anything to sway me.

When you listen to Alan Watt he gives more details but it's almost impossible to make out what he he saying half the time.

The Ritual for the 17th Degree for Scottish Rite masonry speaks of the worship of Abaddon.

"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

Revelation 9:11

(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/Pleiades.jpg)

"Sing praises to the Lord which dwelleth in Zion"

Psalm 9:11

The star Alcyone was EXACTLY due west from Washington DC at the precise moment the transponder of American airlines Flight 11 was turned off (ie the instance the hijackings commenced). The star Sirius was EXACTLY due south of New York City at an angle of 33° at this precise moment. This mutual event was repeated at the commencement of the Light Ceremony of 11th March 2002.

In 1927 and 1928 the Jehovah's Witnesses said in their publication then called Zion's Watchtower that God resided in the Star Alcyone, the central star of the Pleiades.


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: roscoe August 19, 2007, 12:45:42 AM
I agree and that's my point I'm waiting to hear about it and in 2 years of listening I haven't heard anything to sway me.

"That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a God, but it is the God one adores without superstition.... The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion to science, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him? "Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two Gods.... Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."
 
Illustrious Albert Pike 33°
France 1889


There is a statue of Albert Pike in Washington DC

Do we have to spell it out for you?

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 19, 2007, 09:51:12 AM
Roscoe- do you mind telling me in your own words not just quoting for one man who was not the voice of Masonry but just one guy who people love to quote out of context.

It would be nice hearing what you think.
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: MonsieurArtaud August 19, 2007, 09:54:24 PM
Does anyone understand the Kabbalah?  I don't think you can make a clear judgment about Freemasonry until you research Kabbalic mysticism.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 20, 2007, 12:10:49 AM
Roscoe- do you mind telling me in your own words not just quoting for one man who was not the voice of Masonry but just one guy who people love to quote out of context.

It would be nice hearing what you think.

(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/pike.jpg)

They put a statue of Albert Pike in Washington DC. Yes we are only too aware that Pike is an embarrassment to freemasons and they are desperately trying to distance themselves whilst at the same time agreeing with what he says. I also realise that you have painted yourself into a corner and now are obliged to defend your position.

The Scottish Rite Supreme Council took most of what Pike has said and he took his doctrine from Eliphas Levi also a freemason.

Perhaps you can now tell us as to precisely what context we are required to take Pike in?

"Everything secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; nothing is safe that does not show how it can bear discussion and publicity."

Lord Acton

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: roscoe August 20, 2007, 12:16:01 AM
At the precise moment United Airlines Flight 175 switched off it's transponder on September 11th 2001, the star Alcyone was EXACTLY 33° over New York.

On September 11th as Alcyone sets at 11:54 the Sun at New York is ALMOST due South.

However there was one place where when Alcyone sets on September 11th and the Sun was exactly due South, not only that the Sun was EXACTLY 66°. All the major planets were in Virgo, the House of Bread or Beth Lehem

That place was Jerusalem.

The date?

September 11, 1922

History records that the administration of the League of Nations mandate for the forming of the state of Israel between the 30th and 33rd degree parallels. This effectively began with the swearing into office as High Commissioner and Commander in Chief for Palestine of the Right Honourable Sir Herbert Samuel, in Jerusalem, on September 11, 1922.

The forming of the state of Israel was passed in the US Congress on the same day.

(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/alcyone-music.jpg)
The Symbol for Alcyone Music
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: MonsieurArtaud August 20, 2007, 12:02:47 PM

"That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a God, but it is the God one adores without superstition.... The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion to science, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him? "Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two Gods.... Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."
 

The quote is from Miller Edith Starr's book, Occult Theocrasy. (did some quick research) 

"The doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic Religion 'is the belief in Lucifer"

So, based upon your zeal of this quote, you can come to the conclusion that Albert Pike is not a Satanist ... and that you are going to need further research into the meaning of Lucifer.

And let us look into the word "Adonai" (I and Y have the same meaning in Hebrew).
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: Biggs August 20, 2007, 01:24:02 PM
Pike and his plan for 3 World Wars to bring about the NWO is a disgrace of a human being.

Freemasons claim to be decent yet they engage is pathetic and twisted rituals, take an oath which is a vile disgrace to any decent person, and then defend the criminals that run THEIR organisation.

All of the world's top criminals are in the freemasons, the Illuminati controls the Freemasons, yet nairy a bloody word from them (Bush family, Saddam, etc etc etc - the list is endless and includes ALL of the NWO'ers).

If you masons are so decent why are you so silent about the NWO, Illuminati, Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, Bilderberg Group, Order of the Knights of Malta and all the rest of the scum?

If you are so decent why do you have those awful rituals with ugly hats, and nooses, and purple gowns and blindfolds etc etc?

Freemasonry is being controlled by evil men, and yet all the decent lower down people do is defend them!! WAKE UP guys.

Yes of course most lower level freemasons are good folk, but none of you seem concerned that the craft is controlled by evil men, lucifarians, all of the world's biggest murders are 32/33 degree masons or in the Illuminati ranks above those.

And yet all you people do is say "Oh why doesn't he like the Freemasons? Why are Freemasons considered a bit pathetic and dirty?"

On Topsecret.com people who object to the freemasons and their role in society are called haters, because the secret societies board has been hijacked by freemasons. Until Freemasons get rid of their evil rulers they should feel a bit hated.

I do essentially hate your organisation and find the MO quite disgusting, even at the lower 3 levels, bloody corrupt and think they have a right to interfere in people's business, and yet do not raise a bloody word against the evil higher ups.   
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: MonsieurArtaud August 20, 2007, 02:38:50 PM
Pike and his plan for 3 World Wars to bring about the NWO is a disgrace of a human being.

Freemasons claim to be decent yet they engage is pathetic and twisted rituals, take an oath which is a vile disgrace to any decent person, and then defend the criminals that run THEIR organisation.

All of the world's top criminals are in the freemasons, the Illuminati controls the Freemasons, yet nairy a bloody word from them (Bush family, Saddam, etc etc etc - the list is endless and includes ALL of the NWO'ers).

If you masons are so decent why are you so silent about the NWO, Illuminati, Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, Bilderberg Group, Order of the Knights of Malta and all the rest of the scum?

If you are so decent why do you have those awful rituals with ugly hats, and nooses, and purple gowns and blindfolds etc etc?

Freemasonry is being controlled by evil men, and yet all the decent lower down people do is defend them!! WAKE UP guys.

Yes of course most lower level freemasons are good folk, but none of you seem concerned that the craft is controlled by evil men, lucifarians, all of the world's biggest murders are 32/33 degree masons or in the Illuminati ranks above those.

And yet all you people do is say "Oh why doesn't he like the Freemasons? Why are Freemasons considered a bit pathetic and dirty?"

On Topsecret.com people who object to the freemasons and their role in society are called haters, because the secret societies board has been hijacked by freemasons. Until Freemasons get rid of their evil rulers they should feel a bit hated.

I do essentially hate your organisation and find the MO quite disgusting, even at the lower 3 levels, bloody corrupt and think they have a right to interfere in people's business, and yet do not raise a bloody word against the evil higher ups.   

All I think anyone should ask is, why don't we look into this with an open-mind and share information.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 20, 2007, 02:43:30 PM
Wow man that is pretty heavy- a lot of hatred for a group of people that you don't even know. Sounds like you need an excuse or scapegoat.


Pike and his plan for 3 World Wars to bring about the NWO is a disgrace of a human being.

Freemasons claim to be decent yet they engage is pathetic and twisted rituals, take an oath which is a vile disgrace to any decent person, and then defend the criminals that run THEIR organisation.

All of the world's top criminals are in the freemasons, the Illuminati controls the Freemasons, yet nairy a bloody word from them (Bush family, Saddam, etc etc etc - the list is endless and includes ALL of the NWO'ers).

If you masons are so decent why are you so silent about the NWO, Illuminati, Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, Bilderberg Group, Order of the Knights of Malta and all the rest of the scum?

If you are so decent why do you have those awful rituals with ugly hats, and nooses, and purple gowns and blindfolds etc etc?

Freemasonry is being controlled by evil men, and yet all the decent lower down people do is defend them!! WAKE UP guys.

Yes of course most lower level freemasons are good folk, but none of you seem concerned that the craft is controlled by evil men, lucifarians, all of the world's biggest murders are 32/33 degree masons or in the Illuminati ranks above those.

And yet all you people do is say "Oh why doesn't he like the Freemasons? Why are Freemasons considered a bit pathetic and dirty?"

On Topsecret.com people who object to the freemasons and their role in society are called haters, because the secret societies board has been hijacked by freemasons. Until Freemasons get rid of their evil rulers they should feel a bit hated.

I do essentially hate your organisation and find the MO quite disgusting, even at the lower 3 levels, bloody corrupt and think they have a right to interfere in people's business, and yet do not raise a bloody word against the evil higher ups.   
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Biggs August 20, 2007, 04:23:45 PM
to any non-masons here, and to masons

The above comment is EXACTLY what I mean.

Anyone who raises the issues which have been covered by researchers time and time again gets dismissed as a hater.

Why sir, corsig are you so unmoved by the scum that control your organisation. Does it not bother you that ALL of the worlds most evil men are freemasons. Does it not bother you that the Illuminati, Bildebergers, Skull and Bones all control freemasonry?

Are you not concerned, instead spending your time coming on here and belittling those who raise points about freemasonry? Are you really that blind/ Do you not carte at all and are just bothered about spinning things to make freemasonry lookm good, regardless of who is pulling the strings behind the scenes?

This is exactly what is wrong with  the snobbery inherent in the brotherhood, a self satisfied blindness and stupidity, just like the average US citizen who thinks the  WMD deception was a simple mistake and there is no way Bush and co did 9-11? Blind sheeple who are fed lies and often believe them, that is what you sound like.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 20, 2007, 04:30:44 PM
I have not seen one ounce of proof that these things happen.

As I said before why have there been no reports in any paper, tv, magazine..etc that there is corruption. The only place it happens is on the internet. And I know your going to say those mediums are controlled by the masons but ONE report would leak out eventually and it has never happened.

It's too easy to believe that there is something going on with no proof what so ever.

Regardless- I'm waiting to hear AJ's opinion because I am very interested in what he says.

Hopefully he can shed some light.

On a side note I met someone at the gym wearing a "9-11 Truth" T-shirt we we chatted for a while. He's going to the NYC event in September maybe I'll go with him.

Cory
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: MonsieurArtaud August 20, 2007, 05:25:51 PM

Are you not concerned, instead spending your time coming on here and belittling those who raise points about freemasonry? Are you really that blind/ Do you not carte at all and are just bothered about spinning things to make freemasonry lookm good, regardless of who is pulling the strings behind the scenes?


I don't think he has belittled anyone.  If anything, you are the one who has already done the belittling.  You have provided no order to any argument.  Your own confusion has led you to rant.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Biggs August 20, 2007, 07:09:29 PM
Spoken like a true member of the Craft, with a tone of inherent snobbery, like all craftsmen.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 20, 2007, 10:44:37 PM

"That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a God, but it is the God one adores without superstition.... The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion to science, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him? "Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two Gods.... Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."
 

The quote is from Miller Edith Starr's book, Occult Theocrasy. (did some quick research) 

"The doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic Religion 'is the belief in Lucifer"

So, based upon your zeal of this quote, you can come to the conclusion that Albert Pike is not a Satanist ... and that you are going to need further research into the meaning of Lucifer.

And let us look into the word "Adonai" (I and Y have the same meaning in Hebrew).

The problem is that the founder of the Theosophical Society Helena Blavatsky (which seems to be at the centre of all this) says that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same. However she also says that the Kabbalists says that the true name of Satan is Jehovah placed upside down.

In truth this is not an easy subject to put across in a few words because the truth is complex.

But here's the bottom line, freemasons are anti-religion and insincere and this can be proven. The higher degrees even lie to there own and is a recruiting ground for other groups who have a dangerous agenda.

Adonai is the angel of the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:11) who do you suppose that might be? This entity is revered under the name of Abadon in the ritual for the 17th degree of the Scottish Rite freemasonry.

That's Pike's lodge who has it's US southern headquarters on the 33 degree parallel.

Here's a question you can ask a freemason in order to tie him up.

If the Craft admits all religions does this include the church of Satan? In their view who exactly is the Grand Architect of the Universe?   
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 20, 2007, 10:46:24 PM
Pike and his plan for 3 World Wars to bring about the NWO is a disgrace of a human being.

Freemasons claim to be decent yet they engage is pathetic and twisted rituals, take an oath which is a vile disgrace to any decent person, and then defend the criminals that run THEIR organisation.

All of the world's top criminals are in the freemasons, the Illuminati controls the Freemasons, yet nairy a bloody word from them (Bush family, Saddam, etc etc etc - the list is endless and includes ALL of the NWO'ers).

If you masons are so decent why are you so silent about the NWO, Illuminati, Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, Bilderberg Group, Order of the Knights of Malta and all the rest of the scum?

If you are so decent why do you have those awful rituals with ugly hats, and nooses, and purple gowns and blindfolds etc etc?

Freemasonry is being controlled by evil men, and yet all the decent lower down people do is defend them!! WAKE UP guys.

Yes of course most lower level freemasons are good folk, but none of you seem concerned that the craft is controlled by evil men, lucifarians, all of the world's biggest murders are 32/33 degree masons or in the Illuminati ranks above those.

And yet all you people do is say "Oh why doesn't he like the Freemasons? Why are Freemasons considered a bit pathetic and dirty?"

On Topsecret.com people who object to the freemasons and their role in society are called haters, because the secret societies board has been hijacked by freemasons. Until Freemasons get rid of their evil rulers they should feel a bit hated.

I do essentially hate your organisation and find the MO quite disgusting, even at the lower 3 levels, bloody corrupt and think they have a right to interfere in people's business, and yet do not raise a bloody word against the evil higher ups.   

All I think anyone should ask is, why don't we look into this with an open-mind and share information.

But THEY wont do it with we PROFANE. The thought that they THINK they know things that we don't gives them a feeling of superiority. The problem is that we know more than they think and certainly more than the 'Poor Candidate in a state of Darkness'
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: MonsieurArtaud August 21, 2007, 12:49:10 PM
Spoken like a true member of the Craft, with a tone of inherent snobbery, like all craftsmen.

You act like anyone who doesn't agree with you is a mason?  I am by no means a Freemason, but am curious for soluble answers.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: MonsieurArtaud August 21, 2007, 01:46:51 PM
495. "And a certain covering, even the splendour of the most holy and blessed God (otherwise the opening of holiness; but by this is understood the Tetragrammaton, which, together with the name, ADNI, Adonai, maketh the number of the word AMN, Amen, that is 91): is expanded through four columns on four sides (which are the four letters of the holy name, by which he saith that space is surrounded).

496. "One column is so placed that it reacheth from the lowest unto the highest. (This is the Kingdom of the emanations, the base and lowest Part of the whole system of emanation, because it is said to ascend from the lowest part of the middle column even unto the summit of the Crown.)

497. "And therein is a certain MGRVPIA, Megerophia, vessel containing fire (for like as the fire an the altar could not be touched with bare hands, so that name, Tetragrammaton, cannot be touched and pronounced by the mouth, but it is touched and produced by ADNI, Adonai, which is ShM, Sham, His name; for ShM and MGRVPIA both Yield 340 by Gematria); and in the fire-containing vessel are four keys, 1 sharp on every side (for such was the form of the keys, in order that they might draw aside the veil, as a lock is shot back by a key. But the four letters of the name ADNI, Adonai, are hereby to be understood, which are inserted into and united with the four letters IHVH, in this manner, IAHDVNHI); which seize upon that. veil, and withdraw it from the superiors.

- Kabbalah Unveiled Chapter XXIV

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/tku/tku32.htm
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 21, 2007, 11:31:04 PM
BRAShITh BRA ALHIM ATh HShMIM VATh HARTz,

Berashith Bera Elohim Ath Hashamaim Vaath Haaretz:

"In the beginning the Elohim (plural) created the heavens (plural) and the earth."

The God of Abraham is el Shaddai, normally translated as Almighty God (Exodus 6:3) but is in fact merely the Canaanite God of the Mountain who had a consort called Ashtorath.

On September 22nd, 2002 in a speech to visiting Christian Zionists, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon asserted,

"This land is ours... God gave us the title deeds..."

However, recent scholarly research, including discoveries by an archaeological team from the University of Tel Aviv, not only deconstruct the Biblical Old Testament and Torah stories upon which this claim rests, but grant previously unthinkable credence to an ancient historian's claim that the Israelites of Exodus were actually the Hyksos, and therefore of Asiatic origin.

The Zionists have no more claim on the land called Palestine than anyone else.

It's all nonsense and based to some extent on Assyrian star worship
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Dig August 22, 2007, 12:04:13 AM
damn roscoe, you are pretty knowledgable of the wholestars/freemasonry stuff, anyway, thought these books might help:

Morals And Dogma - By Albert Pike
By hw on March 8, 2007
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6502/Morals-And-Dogma-By-Albert-Pike
MORALS and DOGMA by ALBERT PIKE Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry , prepared for the Supreme Council of the Thirty Third Degree for the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States: Charleston,...

(Ebook - Conspiracy,Secret,Cover-Up) - Symbols Of The Invisible Fraternity Of Freemasons
By Truth Razors on May 17, 2007
expand at your own risk
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63593/Ebook-ConspiracySecretCoverUp-Symbols-Of-The-Invisible-Fraternity-Of-Freemasons
...s from Satanism. Finally, if you do not recognize some of the occult interpretations of some Masonic/Satanic symbols, remember that you have been given false interpretations of those symbols, just as Albert Pike directed: "Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism, and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinte...

Symbols Of The Invisible Fraternity Of Freemasons
By Truth Razors on May 17, 2007
truth
http://www.scribd.com/doc/63493/Symbols-Of-The-Invisible-Fraternity-Of-Freemasons
...s from Satanism. Finally, if you do not recognize some of the occult interpretations of some Masonic/Satanic symbols, remember that you have been given false interpretations of those symbols, just as Albert Pike directed: "Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism, and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinte... 

1896 - Arthur Waite - Devil Worship in France - mason propaganda
By mrkva2000 on July 19, 2007
Warning! Freemason Occult Propaganda!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/201400/1896-Arthur-Waite-Devil-Worship-in-France-mason-propaganda
..., in this rite, the first supreme council of the entire globe. Eight years later, on the 29th of December 1809, a man of great importance to the history of Freemasonry was born in the city of Boston. Albert Pike came of parents in a humble position, who, however, struggled with their difficulties and sent him to Harvard College, where he duly graduated, taking his degree as M.A. in the year 1829. He began his...
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 22, 2007, 12:07:25 AM
The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (See Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli))

 
Article 11, reads:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Any takers for guessing what it was actually founded upon?
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 22, 2007, 12:46:44 AM
damn roscoe, you are pretty knowledgable of the wholestars/freemasonry stuff, anyway, thought these books might help:

Thank you, I'll read them.

I also do the TAROT like this one:

(http://www.acumind.com/Joe/tarot/tower.gif)

THE TOWER
Basic Card Symbols

A tower on a rocky outcropping, a powerful bolt of lightning, one or two figures falling from the tower, sometimes waves crashing below.

Basic Tarot Story

As the Fool leaves the throne of the Goat God, he comes upon a Tower, fantastic, magnificent, and familiar. In fact, The Fool, himself, helped build this Tower back when the most important thing to him was making his mark on the world and proving himself better than other men. Inside the Tower, at the top, arrogant men still live, convinced of their rightness. Seeing the Tower again, the Fool feels as if lightning has just flashed across his mind; he thought he'd left that old self behind when he started on this spiritual journey. But he realizes now that he hasn't. He's been seeing himself, like the Tower, like the men inside, as alone and singular and superior, when in fact, he is no such thing. So captured is he by the shock of this insight, that he opens his mouth and releases a SHOUT! And to his astonishment and terror, as if the shout has taken form, a bolt of actual lightning slashes down from the heavens, striking the Tower and sending its residents leaping out into the waters below.

In a moment, it is over. The Tower is rubble, only rocks remaining. Stunned and shaken to the core, the Fool experiences grief, profound fear and disbelief. But also, a strange clarity of vision, as if his inner eye has finally opened. He tore down his resistance to change and sacrifice (Hanged man), then broke free of his fear and preconceptions of death (Death); he dissolved his belief that opposites cannot be merged (Temperance) and shattered the chains of ambition and desire (The Devil). But here and now, he has done what was hardest: destroyed the lies he held about himself. What's left is the bare, absolute truth. On this he can rebuild his soul.

Basic Tarot Meaning

With Mars as its ruling planet, the Tower is a card about war, a war between the structures of lies and the lightning flash of truth. The Tower, as Wang points out, stands for "false concepts and institutions that we take for real." When the Querent gets this card, they can expect to be shaken up, to be blinded by a shocking revelation. It sometimes takes that to see a truth that one refuses to see. Or to bring down beliefs that are so well constructed. What's most important to remember is that the tearing down of this structure, however painful, makes room for something new to be built


: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Bossgator August 22, 2007, 10:19:44 AM
I'm admittedly lacking in much knowledge of the masons, even though my dad's dad was one, though low level as I understand. But consider this...

...It is my opinion that ANY group of people that are secretive in any way truly has something to hide! Now, my question is, why are they so secret? To what end? If they are truly a benign group, why hide behind closed doors?

Our efforts here hide nothing, and in fact we are the opposite of secretive, and encourage all to expose all so all will know the truth. I thinks it's safe to say that the only thing that those on the truth movement revere is each countrie's flag.

We sure don't run around in some silly apron, or wear pajamas under our clothes like a certain so-called Christian group does (which talk about secretive!)

And correct me if I'm wrong, was not Albert Pike founder of the KKK?
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Aqua Teen Hunger Force August 22, 2007, 12:58:07 PM
And correct me if I'm wrong, was not Albert Pike founder of the KKK?

YES!!
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Harpakhrad11 August 22, 2007, 01:35:02 PM

We sure don't run around in some silly apron, or wear pajamas under our clothes like a certain so-called Christian group does (which talk about secretive!)


Are you referring to Freemasonry? When did they ever claim to be "Christian"?
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: zlater August 22, 2007, 01:38:57 PM
I wouldn't put my hopes in the meinstream media, TV or even newspapers..

Alternative media is mostly downtoearth and i trust AJ for one due to his experience in this.

There are freemasons in very high positions here and they are granted privileges.. Shouldn't hurt to get more details and facts on this matter..

btw... today i reclaimed a FULL member list of the freemasons in my city. All in the high positions as i said earlier so i can confirm that is true. and a LOT of them. what else can i say about the list? they're mostly elderly people in this corrupted city which leads me to think about the reason for corruption. and.. they're all right-winged.. no left-wings at all in the list. The list was primarily found on a nationalsocialism homepage.
makes me worry more about this and get where AJ is coming from.. Now i just need to research what really makes a freemason one and what the "lower level" of freemasonry is. I got some kind of idea of the higher now, i think. People were wondering how on earth the list would have become public but it is authentic, and they don't like it.. i wonder why since privacy is being killed.. shouldn't injustices cover everyone or just a certain group of people??

EDIT: a new question.. what is loosh or looshin? a sub-group or something like that?
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 23, 2007, 12:53:13 AM
Are you referring to Freemasonry? When did they ever claim to be "Christian"?

Because when you ask them about the significance of 33 they troll out the answer that it was the age of Jesus.

I believe they call this "Diverting a Discourse" which is a fancy way of saying that they lie when cornered.

When I inform them that aren't supposed to be specifically Christian you never hear from them again. Then they wonder why they are attacked.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: thought_criminal August 23, 2007, 01:25:32 PM
I'll be honest... I haven't kept up with this post at all... But I would like to retract my previous comments
about the few known masons I know being "damned creepy".  Turns out they aren't half bad. I'm not judging,
but they do seem sorta slow. Easy to imagine how they might wind up some high level mason's "usefull idiot"
 I think the masons go out of their way to deceive others. There own members, and especially outsiders.
  I can't imagine "well meaning" people being so secretive.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 24, 2007, 10:56:55 PM
(http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/january2005/220105poots.jpg)
King Abullah does 'Hook 'em Horns ' to President Putin. They really don't look Texan do they?
Not another 'Diverting a Discourse' surely

"il cornuti" (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2005/210105nothookem.htm)

Masonic & Occult Symbols Illustrated by Dr Cathy Burns  (http://www.amazon.com/Masonic-Occult-Symbols-Illustrated-Cathy/dp/1891117122)

Note: The phrase 'Diverting a Discourse' is the Masonic term for lying through your back teeth and making it feel honorable.

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 25, 2007, 09:51:52 AM
Roscoe- that is definitely not Masonic. I can tell you that much but I know you won't believe me.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 25, 2007, 11:13:29 PM
Roscoe- that is definitely not Masonic. I can tell you that much but I know you won't believe me.

You must be Blue Lodge. (http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry/blue_lodge/blue_lodge_index.htm)

Have you read Dr Cathy Burns' book? (http://www.amazon.com/Masonic-Occult-Symbols-Illustrated-Cathy/dp/1891117122)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: MonsieurArtaud August 26, 2007, 02:16:48 PM
(http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/january2005/220105poots.jpg)
King Abullah does 'Hook 'em Horns ' to President Putin. They really don't look Texan do they?
Not another 'Diverting a Discourse' surely

"il cornuti" (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2005/210105nothookem.htm)

Masonic & Occult Symbols Illustrated by Dr Cathy Burns  (http://www.amazon.com/Masonic-Occult-Symbols-Illustrated-Cathy/dp/1891117122)

Note: The phrase 'Diverting a Discourse' is the Masonic term for lying through your back teeth and making it feel honorable.



Since the article (in the first link) makes no reference to Freemasonry, I'm assuming you think Freemasonry to be Satanic?  Is this correct?
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 26, 2007, 02:24:44 PM
Roscoe you are terribly misinformed and like to group everything under one umbrella.

Cory


You must be Blue Lodge. (http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry/blue_lodge/blue_lodge_index.htm)

Have you read Dr Cathy Burns' book? (http://www.amazon.com/Masonic-Occult-Symbols-Illustrated-Cathy/dp/1891117122)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: renegade357 August 26, 2007, 03:08:14 PM
Anyone not opposed to Freemasonry is braindead unless of course you are a mason in which case you are probably a scumbag
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: MonsieurArtaud August 26, 2007, 06:59:22 PM
According to wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax

The quote most frequently associated with the Taxil Hoax reads:

"That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him?

Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods; darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive....

Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."

While this quote was published by Abel Clarin de la Rive in his Woman and Child in Universal Freemasonry, and does not appear in Taxil's writings proper, it is sourced in a footnote to Diana Vaughan, Taxil's creation.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: MonsieurArtaud August 26, 2007, 07:02:13 PM
The source on Wikipedia is an article called, Is It True What They Say About Freemasonry?
The Methods of Anti-Masons

http://www.srmason-sj.org/web/SRpublications/DeHoyos.htm#i11

1. Also, the quotation is riddled with logical inconsistencies. There is not now and never has been a position of "Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry." This office is Taxil's invention and alone demonstrates the letter is a forgery. There is no "Confederation of Supreme Councils." Neither Albert Pike, the Mother Supreme Council, nor any grand lodges ever recognized any lodges of adoption (Masonic lodges open to men and women). In the United States virtually every Scottish Rite Mason progresses to the 32�. Why would Albert Pike suggest special treatment for 30�, 31�, and 32� Masons, when that would have included nearly everyone?

2. The hoax is well known and has been explained time and time again for nearly a century. The New Catholic Encyclopedia says this about L�o Taxil.

Taxil purported to reveal the existence of "Palladium," the most secret Masonic order, which practiced devilworship. He recounted the story of its high priestess Diana Vaughan; and ended by publishing the M�moires d'une ex-Palladiste after her conversion to Catholicism. When doubts began to spread, Taxil realized the time had come to end the deceit. In a conference in Paris (April 19, 1897), he cynically admitted his hoax, whose aim, he said, was to hold up Catholicism to derision.

3. After Taxil's public confession, A. C. de la Rive expressed his disgust and recanted his writings on Diana Vaughan in the April 1897 issue of Freemasonry Unmasked, a magazine devoted to the destruction of the Craft. As much as he hated Freemasonry, de la Rive had the integrity to admit Taxil's hoax.

So, it was a hoax.  The quote can not be taken to represent Freemasonry.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Dig August 26, 2007, 10:45:36 PM
Wow a real duality of man fanatic.  "The world has failed you and come to the real power of the world" -  BS.

That idiotic shallow deecptive satanic seduction is 1,000 times more fraudulent than any quote.

The entire Lavay "you must know death to know life" or "death is the lucia of life" jedi mind trick only works on the ill informed.  Too bad our eyes are wide open and we can see the wizards behind the curtains.

WHat many paganists in secret societies learn too late is they get some taste of power only to commit to total and lifelong slavery for themselves, their families, and their decendents.

Here are just the first 3 rituals - how the hell is this not a religious pyramid cult based on blind faith to an unknown string of human master?

Masonry - Behind Closed Doors
(http://video.google.com/ThumbnailServer2?app=vss&contentid=98c6ea7939c9b4ed&offsetms=965000&itag=w160&lang=en&sigh=SniVDk6cD_G_iVd8lX0oBTD37Lw)
2 hr 10 min - Apr 14, 2006 -    (155 ratings)
behind the closed doors of the masonic lodge
Jack Harris, former worshipful master in the masonic lodge,
reenacts portions of masonic rituals from the first three degrees
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-783233753719250111)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 26, 2007, 10:55:35 PM
Since the article (in the first link) makes no reference to Freemasonry, I'm assuming you think Freemasonry to be Satanic?  Is this correct?

What do you suppose a book with the title Masonic & Occult Symbols Illustrated by Dr Cathy Burns, is all about?

We have this denial a lot. New Freemason initiates known as Poor candidates in a state of darkness, join a group of people and make pledges without knowing what the organisation they're joining is all about. Most don't even understand the ceremony they're taking part in. They don't really understand why the group started in the first place and they certainly don't know where they'll end up.

Question for you.

How does a secret society recruit new members?

Answer: Through a semi-secret organisation (a portal into a temple) of close contact where they can be watched first. If you display the right credentials you are then tapped and move sideways to climb a different ladder but still remaining in the main stream where the other blue lodge members that don't make it can be used and relied upon to stick to their vows of mutual help of a brother that may well have a different agenda.

You're being used.

George Washington, a freemason, warned about the infiltration of the Illuminati into freemasonry.

Until you understand freemasonry and the Occult you will never make the connection.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 26, 2007, 10:59:28 PM
Roscoe you are terribly misinformed and like to group everything under one umbrella.

Cory



I have read the books of former freemasons who are now saying that the object of the exercise is the worship of Lucifer. I have noticed recently that this is not even been denied by some and that Lucifer is the good guy.

Fact is that one of the most formost experts in the Occult say that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.

Since you admit all faiths into freemasonry does this include members of the Church of Satan? Please answer?

If the answer is no then you must be refusing them on religious grounds.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Dig August 26, 2007, 11:02:58 PM
Satanic Ritual Abuse, Masonry, and Secret Societies (1995)
(http://video.google.com/ThumbnailServer2?app=vss&contentid=128b8ad65a39ad4f&offsetms=690000&itag=w160&lang=en&sigh=XqqS4rcvEYnMiTRJr8k3-Bhy8N0)
1 hr 29 min - May 1, 2006 -    (82 ratings)
during rituals; the promotion of human sacrifice as a pact with Satan.
From a web-review: The existence of Satanic Ritual Abuse and Masonic Ritual Abuse
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7198716510360758238)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 26, 2007, 11:43:41 PM
The source on Wikipedia is an article called, Is It True What They Say About Freemasonry?
The Methods of Anti-Masons

http://www.srmason-sj.org/web/SRpublications/DeHoyos.htm#i11

1. Also, the quotation is riddled with logical inconsistencies. There is not now and never has been a position of "Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry." This office is Taxil's invention and alone demonstrates the letter is a forgery. There is no "Confederation of Supreme Councils." Neither Albert Pike, the Mother Supreme Council, nor any grand lodges ever recognized any lodges of adoption (Masonic lodges open to men and women). In the United States virtually every Scottish Rite Mason progresses to the 32�. Why would Albert Pike suggest special treatment for 30�, 31�, and 32� Masons, when that would have included nearly everyone?

Apart from those who leave when they eventually find out what it is they've joined and the others with any conscience who want to leave but don't have the guts.

See  "It isn't ancient, it isn't Scottish, it isn't free, and it isn't right!" (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/33rd_Initiation.htm)


2. The hoax is well known and has been explained time and time again for nearly a century. The New Catholic Encyclopedia says this about L�o Taxil.

Taxil purported to reveal the existence of "Palladium," the most secret Masonic order, which practiced devilworship. He recounted the story of its high priestess Diana Vaughan; and ended by publishing the M�moires d'une ex-Palladiste after her conversion to Catholicism. When doubts began to spread, Taxil realized the time had come to end the deceit. In a conference in Paris (April 19, 1897), he cynically admitted his hoax, whose aim, he said, was to hold up Catholicism to derision.

But we also have a man called Jules-Benoit Stanislas Doinel du Val-Michel who wrote a book just before Taxil (G.A. Jogand-Pages) called Lucifer Unmasked. Taxil's double bluff had been an attempt to snow job Doinel's fiercly anti-freemason book, they had been friends briefly. Doinel had been a Scottish rite freemason, a Martinist (http://www.rose-croix-veritas.com/martinist.htm), a founder of the Gnostic church and a co-founder of the Neo-Cathar church. The Cathars believed that the creator of material things was Lucifer and the true God was purely spiritual. Doinel knew a man called Papus through his Martinist activities who had a great influence on Tzar Nicolas in esoteric issues. Doinel eventually left freemasonry and all the organisations he had started and became a Catholic.

Here is a quote from Doinel from his Scottish Rite freemasonry days:

The shiny star, Lucifer itself. Centre of the star is detached the letter G, the science of the good and the evil, the symbol of Gnose, the letter G, monogram of pride spiritual that we spell: Satan God.

Incidently you should study the Martinist movement, it will eventually lead you to Synarchy and eventually Dick Cheyne. 


3. After Taxil's public confession, A. C. de la Rive expressed his disgust and recanted his writings on Diana Vaughan in the April 1897 issue of Freemasonry Unmasked, a magazine devoted to the destruction of the Craft. As much as he hated Freemasonry, de la Rive had the integrity to admit Taxil's hoax.

So, it was a hoax.  The quote can not be taken to represent Freemasonry.

Ah the much quoted Leo Taxil double bluff. I believe it's known as disinformation these days. See the answer to that here (http://freemasonrywatch.org/luciferquotes.html)

If freemasons don't want to be associated with the occult then they should stop their official press publishing things like this:

Lucifer, having regained his star and his diadem, will assemble his legions for new works of creation. Attracted by his flaming torch, celestial spirits will descend…and he will send these messengers from unknown spheres to earth. Then the torch of Lucifer will signal ‘From Heaven to Earth!’---and the …(New Age) Christ will answer ‘From Earth to Heaven!’” [xxii]

Occultist Edouard Schure
As published by the Masonic publisher called The Torch Press. (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/worshippers_of_lucifer.htm)

(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/beams.jpg)

The lights beaming skyward from ground zero which shone for 33 days from March 11th 2002 to April 14th 2002.

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: hyperqube August 27, 2007, 02:42:32 AM
33 days! 3 x 11. just wait for the 311th day of the year.  some of you may not be religious but this all goes back way to Nimrod and the tower of Babel, one world government and such.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: zlater August 27, 2007, 02:26:59 PM
311th day of the year according to the normal calendar or the mayan calendar? any connection there?
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: MonsieurArtaud August 27, 2007, 02:50:47 PM
What do you suppose a book with the title Masonic & Occult Symbols Illustrated by Dr Cathy Burns, is all about?

We have this denial a lot. New Freemason initiates known as Poor candidates in a state of darkness, join a group of people and make pledges without knowing what the organisation they're joining is all about. Most don't even understand the ceremony they're taking part in. They don't really understand why the group started in the first place and they certainly don't know where they'll end up.

Question for you.

How does a secret society recruit new members?

Answer: Through a semi-secret organisation (a portal into a temple) of close contact where they can be watched first. If you display the right credentials you are then tapped and move sideways to climb a different ladder but still remaining in the main stream where the other blue lodge members that don't make it can be used and relied upon to stick to their vows of mutual help of a brother that may well have a different agenda.

You're being used.

George Washington, a freemason, warned about the infiltration of the Illuminati into freemasonry.

Until you understand freemasonry and the Occult you will never make the connection.

No, that's where you are wrong.  I understand Freemasonry and the occult very well.  And I'm in a continuous search for a better understanding.  Let me provide a more distinguished book for reading.  Carl Jung's Man and his Symbols.

Whether the Illuminati infiltrated the Freemasons, none of us can be certain of that.  John Robison gave Washington a copy of proofs of a conspiracy and he did state that it was possible.  Leo Tolstoy mentioned in War and Peace, through the character Pierre and his benefactor, that there were people trying to spread Illuminism into Freemasonry.  (Before the Czar was removed)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Harpakhrad11 August 27, 2007, 03:14:18 PM
Fact is that one of the most formost experts in the Occult say that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.

Which experts are you referring to?

Since you admit all faiths into freemasonry does this include members of the Church of Satan? Please answer?

If the answer is no then you must be refusing them on religious grounds.

I would think no, as masonry calls for one to profess a belief in god and members of the Church of Satan are atheists and agnostics.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: MonsieurArtaud August 27, 2007, 03:17:56 PM
Apart from those who leave when they eventually find out what it is they've joined and the others with any conscience who want to leave but don't have the guts.

See  "It isn't ancient, it isn't Scottish, it isn't free, and it isn't right!" (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/33rd_Initiation.htm)

But we also have a man called Jules-Benoit Stanislas Doinel du Val-Michel who wrote a book just before Taxil (G.A. Jogand-Pages) called Lucifer Unmasked. Taxil's double bluff had been an attempt to snow job Doinel's fiercly anti-freemason book, they had been friends briefly. Doinel had been a Scottish rite freemason, a Martinist (http://www.rose-croix-veritas.com/martinist.htm), a founder of the Gnostic church and a co-founder of the Neo-Cathar church. The Cathars believed that the creator of material things was Lucifer and the true God was purely spiritual. Doinel knew a man called Papus through his Martinist activities who had a great influence on Tzar Nicolas in esoteric issues. Doinel eventually left freemasonry and all the organisations he had started and became a Catholic.

Here is a quote from Doinel from his Scottish Rite freemasonry days:

Incidently you should study the Martinist movement, it will eventually lead you to Synarchy and eventually Dick Cheyne. 

Ah the much quoted Leo Taxil double bluff. I believe it's known as disinformation these days. See the answer to that here (http://freemasonrywatch.org/luciferquotes.html)

If freemasons don't want to be associated with the occult then they should stop their official press publishing things like this:

(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/beams.jpg)

The lights beaming skyward from ground zero which shone for 33 days from March 11th 2002 to April 14th 2002.


I'm not rebuking the fact that Lucifer is a common theme in Freemasonry.  Only a fool would debate that.  What I'm saying is lets use reliable quotes, and I know most of you can find plenty from books like Morals & Dogma.

Freemasonry and the Occult are linked.  Symbolism has its origin in the Archetype.  Freemasonry shares the same symbols as Christianity, Hindu, Islam, etc

*I'll research this book, "Lucifer Unmasked"
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: truesoundisgod August 27, 2007, 04:46:28 PM
I think the main point has been pointed out over the posts here.  Masons a re generally good people, but still creepy as anyone charged with secrets is, say the president for instance.  hes creepy. 

So it goes to stand that anything secretive is creepy and fear inspiring.  I wouldn't put it past them to be doing this.  I am near an area where ritual circles have been found near a masonic lodge in town.  And this town is pretty lame and creepy in itself.   Everyone is a zombie..

So im with alex on this.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: truesoundisgod August 27, 2007, 04:51:51 PM
Im opposed because they use a system that is unfair, a deceptive lie in which causes many to disband from the organization.  There are ritual circles near a lodge ive seen.  Very witchcraft like.  And a satanic old house in the area as well.  As if rituals to raise the dead were performed..could've just been kids with spray paint?  But its still creepy. 

My bet would be on yes the masons have a dark secret, and im guessing alex is right about the magic rituals.  though those today are embedded in television, music, advertising..

magic is basicly a trick of mind or body.  If you master yourself.  It will not trick you as much.
 :-*
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 27, 2007, 11:53:07 PM
"It was during that period that I became interested in freemasonry. ... In the eighteenth century freemasonry became expressive of a militant policy of enlightenment, as in the case of the Illuminati, who were the forerunners of the revolution; on its left it culminated in the Carbonari. Freemasons counted among their members both Louis XVI and the Dr. Guillotin who invented the guillotine. In southern Germany freemasonry assumed an openly revolutionary character, whereas at the court of Catherine the Great it was a masquerade reflecting the aristocratic and bureaucratic hierarchy. A freemason Novikov was exiled to Siberia by a freemason Empress.

I discontinued my work on freemasonry to take up the study of Marxian economics. ... The work on freemasonry acted as a sort of test for these hypotheses. ... I think this influenced the whole course of my intellectual development."

Leon Trotsky (Communist revolutionary)
My Life: The Rise and Fall of a Dictator
pages 124-127

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Harpakhrad11 August 28, 2007, 12:49:04 AM

My bet would be on yes the masons have a dark secret, and im guessing alex is right about the magic rituals.  though those today are embedded in television, music, advertising..


It is one thing to speculate on what a group  may or may-not do; It is another to say that they have over 300 more operational degrees then they profess to having, on the top of which is a blood drinking black dragon.  :-\
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 28, 2007, 03:01:55 AM
: MonsieurArtaud
I'm not rebuking the fact that Lucifer is a common theme in Freemasonry.  Only a fool would debate that.  What I'm saying is lets use reliable quotes, and I know most of you can find plenty from books like Morals & Dogma.

Freemasonry and the Occult are linked.  Symbolism has its origin in the Archetype.  Freemasonry shares the same symbols as Christianity, Hindu, Islam, etc

*I'll research this book, "Lucifer Unmasked"

You may be interested to know that Jules Doinel knew the Abbe Henri Boudet and very likely also knew the Abbe Beringer Sauniere.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 28, 2007, 03:19:28 AM
Which experts are you referring to?

Helena Petrovna Blavatsky. You don't get more expert than she.

: Harpakhrad11
I would think no, as masonry calls for one to profess a belief in god and members of the Church of Satan are atheists and agnostics.

Satanists worship A God and they believe that he is the maker of the material world the bringer of Light (lucifer), in other words the Grand Architect of the Universe. They are no more Atheist than Hindus.

“There is no question therefore that the work to be done in familiarizing the general public with the nature of the Mysteries is of paramount importance at this time. These Mysteries will be restored to outer expression through the medium of the Church and the Masonic Fraternity…When the Great One comes with His disciples and initiates we shall have…the restoration of the Mysteries and their exoteric presentation.”[xvi]

Alice Bailey, former head of the Luciferian Theosophical Society now known as the Lucis Trust (http://www.lucistrust.org/)

Worshippers of Lucifer and terrorist attack timings (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/worshippers_of_lucifer.htm)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Harpakhrad11 August 28, 2007, 01:05:12 PM
Satanists worship A God and they believe that he is the maker of the material world the bringer of Light (lucifer), in other words the Grand Architect of the Universe. They are no more Atheist than Hindus.

 ::)
Show me where members of The Church of Satan say that. They espouse materialism from what I can tell.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe August 28, 2007, 11:01:35 PM
::)
Show me where members of The Church of Satan say that. They espouse materialism from what I can tell.

If as Blavatsky says Satan is Lucifer then La Vey is either wrong in his assumption that Satan is merely self will or he's being secretive. Lucifer is the fallen angel and is an enitity and to some the very God who created the material world - Rex Mundi. As I said this is the "The Grand Architect of the Universe" which is central to freemasonry. The true God however is purely spiritual.   
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: hyperqube August 29, 2007, 03:04:43 AM
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/worshippers_of_lucifer.htm

that's a excellent link, roscoe, illustrating how these luciferians are obsessed with the 33
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Joe Stirling August 29, 2007, 06:01:13 AM
Freemasonry is a criminal organisation

A Freemason is a person who knowingly destroys peoples lives for self gain.

Freemasons portray themselves as a good charitable fraternity of men. They own the media so they get to say what they want. They have infiltrated all of society. It is nothing less than an international money making scam (same as the crooked pyramid schemes). Did you know that the ninth degree Masons take their vows to kill for Freemasonry ???? some charity. Masons are also the NWO's foot-soldiers. All secret societies, orders and cults are as one (intertwined) with this evil human virus called "Freemasonry".

In defence of most Masons, they were conned in the first place. They were led to believe it was a good fraternity of men, then they were hoodwinked and threatened with violence. If they had known this before they joined, nobody would have anywhere near them. Masons are trapped into this extreme evil, they are too scared to talk freely. They have become FM slaves and most have become crooked benefactors.
   
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We at SF have started sending this information to the neighbours of Masons. We fully intend to name and shame all Masons to their families, friends, neighbours, colleagues and relatives. The FM perpetrators, infiltrators and spoilers deserve their name to go down in history as the most evil, vile, despicable things that ever breathed on this planet. They do not like us doing this, but then, Masons don't mind secretly destroying families for self gain. It is seriously in the public interest to ban the practice of Secret Societies. You, your family and the planets immediate future depends on your knowledge or ignorance. open your eyes.

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This is where the gigantic amounts of cash go every week. What idiot would want to make the rich even richer ? All we can say to Masons is that when you were born, you knew nothing. Why don't you ask your organisation for answers. Beware of one sided answers. Get online and do your own research.

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Please remember that we at SF can back up absolutely everything we say. This is why we want a live debate with the FMs. Second Family (UK) hates no one, hatred doesn't work. Unfortunately the Masons defend their trillion, trillion (hugely underestimated) crimes against the planet and it's contents, FMs try to defend the indefensible. They are protecting their plunder. If they are supposed to be a good charitable fraternity of men, why the false taboo ? why are their victims in constant fear for their lives ? and why would they keep taking down every comment or website that reveals or says anything about them ?

On top of all this, Freemasonry is witchcraft. This is common knowledge all over the internet. This human virus is brainwashing people all over the world (especially poor people in desperate countries) every day. This is to protect the world's richest families and bloodlines.

We at Second Family (UK) claim to be the only genuine, independent support group for victims of Freemasonry in the UK. We have nothing to hide and can back everything up no problem at all. If you know any Masons, please forward their details for our "SF's Public Register Of Masons" We will investigate just to make sure there is no malice by other Masons or others. It's not all bad news, everyone on the internet is waking up to this evil, their are huge anti - Mason groups and websites all over the world. Also checkout U-Tube, Google, Guba, etc, or just follow the links SF has given you. Never be intimidated by Freemasonry (false taboo & gobble de gook) if you are not sure, you can always double check with us.

This text is brought to you by Joe Stirling (a founding member of SF) a veteran victim of this evil calculated derangement. I have no idea why I have been persecuted. None of the SF victims know why. But we do have concrete evidence to prove its the Masons. Everyone has the right to reply, please be focused and sensible. Please join or support Second Family (UK) to help us all. SF doing real good in the community

We all have to expose these crooks to everyone, please copy/send/distribute/fax/email this information to as many people as possible. If you do nothing, they win....



: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 29, 2007, 11:32:38 AM
Rubbish- please provide solid proof of these allegations.

Nothing you just posted is the truth and is all hearsay.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 29, 2007, 11:40:10 AM
well after 700 views and six pages I'm still hoping that AJ chimes in.

Does he even read these posts???

Cory
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Harpakhrad11 August 29, 2007, 12:02:47 PM
If as Blavatsky says Satan is Lucifer then La Vey is either wrong in his assumption that Satan is merely self will or he's being secretive.

Fair enough, but whether Lavey is correct or not is not what is in question. The question is if HE (and other members the COS) used the image of satan is a archetype of the "independent spirit". No one is asking you to agree with Lavey, but you do have to recognizes the fact that not all occultist* believe the same things.

* I don't think Lavey should really be called a "occultist", he is  not in the same league as other famous occultists like Blavatsky. Lavey is more like a dumb yuppie.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Joe Stirling August 29, 2007, 01:57:29 PM
Hi corsig ? (not real name and no email address) why are you hiding if you want to defend your side of the story ? please don't do a gollum (not listening). Like we say, we want to provide our evidence to the top masons in front of a live audience. Can you offer advice/help to the masonic victims? we all have solid proof. Do not travel on a single track, try another. Please be sensible and focused. Joe Stirling
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 29, 2007, 02:35:34 PM
Hi Joe,

I've used the name "corsig" for about 20 years it's the name I go by on all forums and even my friends call me it so I'm definitely not hiding at all.

I would be happy to hear all sides of a story but to say a blanket statement like the masons are criminals is a dangerous thing to do. I went on your websites and saw nothing to prove your statements.

Please give me some solid examples of what you know and we can have a nice dialog.

Cory
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 29, 2007, 02:48:30 PM
Joe
I just came back from looking at your site again to make sure I wasn't incorrect but why no examples of the criminal behavior from the masses of people who have been wronged by the masons.

You have 2 different petitions of one of them has a total of 200 signers must with names that wouldn't be considered usable and the other has maybe 40 names.

What gives?

Please do not copy & paste passages from the bible or other anti-masonic websites. Please give me examples from yourself or other members of your group.

Cory
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Joe Stirling August 30, 2007, 02:54:19 AM
Corsig ? still hiding and a professional time-waster for the crooked masons. Typical masonic questions and answers. You also expect us to let anonymous you be the judge ? We checked out your other posts defending the indefensible and wasting people's time. Masonic drones only eat masonic carrots. You are a member of an extremely EVIL organisation. You have read and understood nothing. Prove to us that this is not a pointless communication.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: MonsieurArtaud August 30, 2007, 04:02:56 AM
After contemplating this thread more deeply, I come to the conclusion that your point of view will be based upon the historical origin of Freemasonry.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 30, 2007, 09:19:41 AM
Yes and I checked out your other posts and it's doing the same thing you are accusing me of doing. What the hell does my full name have to do with anything and how do I know that this is your real name when your email address says something else.

What you are doing is changing the subject. I have asked YOU countless times for examples of teh misdoing and every time you DON"T do it you are losing credibility here as some one who is truthful.

If you don't post an example in your next reply I will then forever consider you a fraud.

Cory
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Joe Stirling August 30, 2007, 01:22:26 PM
You expect us to produce evidence to an anonymous mason? We want to talk to the engine driver, not listen to his exhaust pipe. Say what you will, goodbye.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 30, 2007, 02:31:36 PM
Ok well if you still don't believe this man is a fraud you are foolish. No offense but what straight forward organization hell bent on bringing the organization down will not provide you with ONE simple example.

Enough said.

Case closed.

Cory
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Biggs August 30, 2007, 06:01:45 PM
I have to say that I fully agree that there is something terribly wrong with the masons as an organisation, and more's to the point as a cultural group. Everything from their ceremonies, to their oaths (disgraceful even at level 1) to the obvious lying of MP's in the House of Commons of whom only a small percentage admitted to being freemasons.

There is something very wrong with the culture of secrecy regarding not only their membership but indeed the content of their ceremonies and their  oaths.

The killer for me is that they are run by the Illuminati who are luciferians and even satanists, and who worship Baal, Baphomet, Moloch and various other unpleasant entities.

And not one of the freemasons give a damn who controls their organisation and they get all uppity and upset when you question them about it, yet never, ever will they actually criticise the craft. Which to me is wrong too as there is no organisation on earth above reproach from its members, except seemingly the masons.

Corrupt and disgraceful is what I think of lower level members, evil is what I think of the 32/33rd level masons (and higher secret levels)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: renegade357 August 31, 2007, 11:10:49 AM
Is it possible that the Knights of Malta are the actual Templars?
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig August 31, 2007, 11:50:15 AM
Is it possible that the Knights of Malta are the actual Templars?


No not really- it's been somewhat disproved that the KT and the Mason's are not related.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: zlater August 31, 2007, 11:57:25 AM
Does it say that where? *curious*
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: MonsieurArtaud August 31, 2007, 09:53:49 PM
Has anyone read The Origins of Freemasonry: Scotland's Century by David Stevenson?
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Salem September 01, 2007, 05:00:18 AM
lol many ppl h8 masons
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Harpakhrad11 September 01, 2007, 03:29:41 PM
lol many ppl h8 masons

 ???
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Xare September 01, 2007, 05:12:53 PM
Freemasons are Luciferians, anyone who has researched the subject knows this.  They also know that the lower level masons are deceived and used to hide behind.


 If you lookup the word luciferian on wiki it even talks about freemasonry lol.


 Now if being luciferian is not enough reason for you to oppose them you could also take into account that they are Zionists and Socialists which are enemies to freedom and human rights.

 Or you could oppose them for being a secret group of people who favor each other in the real world.

 Take your pick.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Harpakhrad11 September 01, 2007, 09:35:39 PM
Now if being luciferian is not enough reason for you to oppose them you could also take into account that they are Zionists and Socialists which are enemies to freedom and human rights.

Can look show some documentation of masonry supporting Zionism?
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: MonsieurArtaud September 01, 2007, 11:45:35 PM
Freemasons are Luciferians, anyone who has researched the subject knows this.  They also know that the lower level masons are deceived and used to hide behind.


 If you lookup the word luciferian on wiki it even talks about freemasonry lol.


 Now if being luciferian is not enough reason for you to oppose them you could also take into account that they are Zionists and Socialists which are enemies to freedom and human rights.

 Or you could oppose them for being a secret group of people who favor each other in the real world.

 Take your pick.

What is your definition of Lucifer?
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Harpakhrad11 September 01, 2007, 11:56:37 PM
Can look show some documentation of masonry supporting Zionism?

Can you show some documentation of masonry supporting Zionism?
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Joe Stirling September 02, 2007, 03:41:25 AM
Masonic donkeys only eat Masonic carrots. No malice intended, only truth.
www.secondfamily-uk.com
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe September 02, 2007, 04:02:51 AM
Can look show some documentation of masonry supporting Zionism?

How about the Protocols of the Learned elders of Zion? With the signature on the bottom that says

Signed by the representatives of Sion of the 33rd degree

Oh and if you're one of those who comes back and says that the Protocols are fake then I hope you'll stay around long enough for me to blow that notion out of the water.

Most usually run away when they start to realise they are being told something they can't argue against what I'm saying but cannot deal with it intellectually.

The Orwellian Doublespeak usually kicks in. I other words they know that they are being told the truth but argue the opposite because they cannot deal with what they are being told. The good news is that the more intellectual you are the more likely you are to fall for it.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig September 02, 2007, 10:34:15 AM
Roscoe

I would love to learn more about the protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Tell me more about them but please just don't only copy & paste I can't stand that. I need to hear it from your own words as well.

Cory


How about the Protocols of the Learned elders of Zion? With the signature on the bottom that says

Signed by the representatives of Sion of the 33rd degree

Oh and if you're one of those who comes back and says that the Protocols are fake then I hope you'll stay around long enough for me to blow that notion out of the water.

Most usually run away when they start to realise they are being told something they can't argue against what I'm saying but cannot deal with it intellectually.

The Orwellian Doublespeak usually kicks in. I other words they know that they are being told the truth but argue the opposite because they cannot deal with what they are being told. The good news is that the more intellectual you are the more likely you are to fall for it.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Biggs September 04, 2007, 04:27:53 PM
copy and paste as much as you want Roscoe, after all the original authors can say it better than you or me, make corsig the mason argue about the actual points rather than your writing skills.

As Roscoe points out the protocols of the elders of Zion was written by freemasons and jesuits and not Jews in the Judaic sense of the word.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Harpakhrad11 September 04, 2007, 09:09:33 PM
How about the Protocols of the Learned elders of Zion?

Oh and if you're one of those who comes back and says that the Protocols are fake then I hope you'll stay around long enough for me to blow that notion out of the water.

I know very little about "The Protocols of the Learned elders of Zion", but I have heard claims that it is a forgery. I have no opinion on the subject, so I am eager to hear your argument.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: other one September 04, 2007, 09:42:35 PM
I've spent no small amount of time taking the Jewish comments and words out of the protocols.  If you care to read them without hiding behind Jewish skirt tails you will find them at:

http://sam.evans.org/illplan.htm

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: other one September 04, 2007, 09:43:56 PM
I might warn you though that if you are not really aware of them, they will make you very angry.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: NotASheep September 04, 2007, 09:44:47 PM

Hey, by now you may know I'm not for political parties, but what was the 3rd political party to exist in America? Why was this party formed?


I didn't see where anyone answered Horatio's question so I'll take a stab at it:

(sorry for the "cut/paste" but my words would be the same)

"The Anti-Masonic Party was formed in upstate New York in 1826, and was the first third party in American national politics."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonic_Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonic_Party)

William Morgan, a Freemason in New York, had become "disatisfied" with his buddies and their rituals and threatened to go public so he was "quieted" (for lack of a better word) - he "disappeared"...

The event created great excitement, and led many to believe that not just the local lodge but that all Freemasonry was in conflict with good citizenship. Because judges, businessmen, bankers, and politicians were often Masons, ordinary citizens began to think of it as an elitist group.

Could it be?!?!    :o

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Apolitical Blues September 04, 2007, 10:08:31 PM
Not being as well versed as some posting to this subject I'll just say that their is good reason to believe that the Masonic root goes deeply into evil soil.  Here is an example of just how perversely their works are:

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/images/capston2.jpg (http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/images/capston2.jpg)

The image comes from an interview on the details of the Denver airport.  Alex Christopher, author of Pandora's Box, has some fascinating information that most of you will want to read about.  Like the fact the murals depict the selective destruction of particular elements of society....check this out for yourselves it isn't for the warm and fuzzy be sure:
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/denver.html (http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/denver.html)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Harpakhrad11 September 05, 2007, 12:24:49 AM
You expect us to produce evidence to an anonymous mason? We want to talk to the engine driver, not listen to his exhaust pipe. Say what you will, goodbye.

I'm not taking sides here, but that makes no sense.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Xare September 05, 2007, 01:24:39 AM
Can look show some documentation of masonry supporting Zionism?

 The most damning evidence is built into their very temples.  As each masonic temple is built as a recreation of Solomons Temple.  As most of you should know the ultimate goal of the Zionist group is to Destroy the Dome of the Rock, a Muslim Mosque that sits on the grounds of the ancient Temple of Solomon, so that they can rebuild the temple to its former glory.  They see this as a necessary step to bring forth biblical prophecy.

What is your definition of Lucifer?

 Lucifer is the rebel angel who seeks to place himself above the most high.  He came to eve as the "serpent" man and coerced her to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. 

 

  He is the father of the Original Son of Perdition <-----   This is a grail secret clue.
 
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig September 05, 2007, 08:55:17 AM
I might warn you though that if you are not really aware of them, they will make you very angry.

I looked up some of the sites regarding these guys. Half say they are luciferian and the other half say they are Anti-Semetic.

I still don't know much about them as to what they did.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Joe Stirling September 05, 2007, 03:53:14 PM
dear harpakhrad11, please don't insult your humour or intelligence. :)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Harpakhrad11 September 05, 2007, 04:04:22 PM
dear harpakhrad11, please don't insult your humour or intelligence. :)

Damn you got me!  :D
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig September 05, 2007, 08:45:59 PM
Damn you got me!  :D

Sorry Joe but he was right- we gave you ample opp's to prove yourself and show us you were serious.

Cory
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Joe Stirling September 06, 2007, 04:10:05 AM
Dear Corsig, OK last chance.

You want us to provide evidence to your anonymous name in a forum? You are a professional Masonic time-waster who spends his whole life behind the curtains (Follow the yellow brick road). You offered no advice to Masonic victims. You are defending extreme evil, you know nothing about the inner organization of criminal Freemasons. You have the audacity to jump onto someone else's comments and now call yourself "we"?....

Now re-read our initial post and see some victim's physical addresses. Just reveal your true self and we will send you lots of hardcore evidence, no problem at all. Please be sensible and focused.  :)

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig September 06, 2007, 10:15:49 AM
Ok Joe so I give you my last name then what you sick your little hound dogs on me, and what exactly will giving my name do for the dialog??

I just don't get what knowing my whole name has to do with giving me solid examples of any mis doings????

Please explain.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Joe Stirling September 06, 2007, 12:01:10 PM
Dear Cory Sigler or email  or sad website "The Working Tools". We do not hate anybody and we are not a revenge group. We just expose how sick people like you waste genuine victims time. You are stuck on a Masonic roundabout. Hope you don't mind if we try to save the planet and it's contents from selfish brainwashed drones like you.

No malice intended, only truth and facts.... Joe Stirling
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Joe Stirling September 06, 2007, 12:10:21 PM
I think you guys should read the other post in this forum called "Freemasonry is a criminal organization" We hope it helps you understand the truth. Many thanks, Joe Stirling
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig September 06, 2007, 01:59:48 PM
Joe- that was the lowest thing I could imagine you doing.

Here we see who is doing the criminal work and that is YOU!!!!

That is private info and you crossed the line my friend.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: zlater September 06, 2007, 02:33:48 PM
i believe it won't make any difference to give criminal evidence of freemasons in higher positions.. like when i posted this:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=906.msg10307#msg10307
i saw hard authentic proof on it with my own eyes and checked the names and all on those members and all high position and corrupted. the corruption is bad in the city i live in. so if it happens worldwide why not in US too?

thanks for the long post J.S.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Joe Stirling September 06, 2007, 03:18:58 PM
Joe- that was the lowest thing I could imagine you doing.

Here we see who is doing the criminal work and that is YOU!!!!

That is private info and you crossed the line my friend.

Dear intelligent Cory, anyone can put your name into the search engines and got your old posts. The Masons certainly won a prize when you were initiated. I called Bart and he said Doh! and I agree. :(
Stop defending this evil criminal organization called "Freemasonry" and stop wasting people's time.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig September 06, 2007, 03:26:16 PM
Joe
You certainly are making a great case for yourself aren't you. You are proving to be a trouble maker here not me.

What was the purpose of demanding my name then publishing it on an open forum like this?

How did this help anyone at all?

You are childish and insecure. You hide behind a website that no one reads or bothers with so you paste the same comments over and over on multiple website with no info at all. a handful of losers signed your petition- WOW I see that is really taking off now isn't it.

You took this to the next level Joe- not me. 
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: renegade357 September 06, 2007, 07:12:53 PM
I think that you will find that only 2nd generation masons are initiated into the higher echlons on freemasonry hence the bottom rungs are ignorant of the evil parts. Not just anyone can get into the inner sanctum.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Harpakhrad11 September 06, 2007, 07:35:52 PM
No malice intended

O come off it!
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: In_Formation September 06, 2007, 07:56:26 PM
I dont think Joe really needs to provide proof, anyone can do the research just as I have and find out the truth.... You have to work for it, truth dosent just jump out at you saying here I am!!!..... As far as the masons go, I personally believe it is a criminal organisation however, even masons themselves are unaware of it because of the compartmentalised secrecy involved, from top to bottom...... Do the research!!! Masonry is only one of many arms that are unaware of each other, but working towards a common goal AKA "The great work"
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Joe Stirling September 07, 2007, 02:58:33 AM
You are childish and insecure. You hide behind a website that no one reads or bothers with so you paste the same comments over and over on multiple website with no info at all. a handful of losers signed your petition- WOW I see that is really taking off now isn't it. 
Dear Cory, you are an extremely sick man. You are defending the world's most evil despicable fraternity of criminals. There are 260 victims who signed our petition so far, they have all left comments for you to read. Three times we asked you for advice to Masonic victims and you ignore. You see yourself to be the judge behind the curtains (yellow brick road). Hide behind a website ???? the whole planet can see my name and address or just call me. I understand that the Giant Redwoods are pretty thick also.

You really just don't get it, do you ? You have been conned. Your Masonic pirate ship is sinking.

I apologize for putting your personal details on this forum. But you have made it obvious of your ulterior motives and that is to defend the Masons (destroyers of society). This is our last communication, bye.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: zlater September 07, 2007, 04:01:10 AM
J.S. > what do you think about this? I've heard that there are clubs like the Lions Club prior to becoming a freemason. What is you aspects on prior freemasonry? Why do people get there? Why the rich, upper-class?
Have you seen "They live! (1988)"? there the upper-class betrayed their own.. I know this discussion is serious and not a movie, but as example..

I don't know why you had to reveal his identity. Prefer privacy myself and it just got this argument.. so i'd like to get back on topic.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Joe Stirling September 07, 2007, 10:08:58 AM
Freemasonry: Mankind’s Death Wish
Henry Makow Ph.D. 

Architects of Deception a 600-page history of Freemasonry by Estonian writer Juri Lina offers profound insight into the true character of modern history.

 Essentially, a dominant segment of Western society has joined the Jewish financial elite in embracing Freemasonry, a satanic philosophy that represents a death wish for civilization. They imagine somehow they will profit from the carnage and suffering caused by their "New World Order."

 Incredible, bizarre and depressing as it sounds, Lina writes that 300 mainly Jewish banking families have used Freemasonry as an instrument to subvert, control and degrade the Western world.

 This view is consistent with the 1938 NKVD interrogation of an illuminati member who names many of these banking families and confirms that Freemasons are expendable tools. (See my two-part "Rothschild Conducts Red Symphony" and "Terminated! Freemasonry's Final Revelation")

 Based on the archives of the powerful French Grand Orient Lodge, captured in June 1940 and later made public by the Russians, Lina details how Freemasonry has conspired for world domination and orchestrated all major revolutions and wars in the modern era. (Lina, p.332)

 Masons, often Jewish, are responsible for Communism, Zionism, Socialism, Liberalism (and Feminism.) They love big government because it is the ultimate monopoly. "World government" (dictatorship) is the final trophy. This is the vision behind 9-11 and the "War on Terror."

 These "world revolutionary" "progressive" movements all mirror Lucifer's rebellion against God and nature which is at the heart of Freemasonry. They ensnare millions of gullible idealists by promising a utopia based on materialism and "reason" and dedicated to "liberty, equality and fraternity," "public ownership" or some other idealistic sounding claptrap. It's called bait-and-switch.

According to Lina: "The primary aim of modern freemasonry is to build the New World Order, a spiritual Temple of Solomon, where non-members are nothing but slaves [and] ...where human beings would be sacrificed to Yahweh." (52)

Lina cites numerous Jewish sources that claim Freemasonry is based on Judaism and is "the executive political organ of the Jewish financial elite." (81-83)

The common goal of these Masonic inspired movements is to undermine race, religion, nation and family ("all collective forces except our own") by promoting social division, self indulgence and "tolerance" i.e. miscegenation, atheism, nihilism, global-ism, sexual "liberation" and homosexuality thereby reducing humanity to a uniform dysfunctional and malleable mush.

 Lina and others who attempt to alert humanity to its real condition are routinely slandered as anti-Semitic, fascist, and right wing "haters" by people indirectly employed by the bankers.

 This tactic shields the conspirators from scrutiny and makes discussion of our grim predicament impossible.

 I am a Jew. I am not part of this banking monopoly, nor is the majority of Jews. By way of analogy, the mafia is considered mostly Italian but most Italians do not belong to the mafia.

 Italians don't viciously attack opponents of organized crime and call them "racists" and "hate mongers". That would look awfully suspicious. Jews compromise themselves by their defence of the Masonic bankers and their perverse vision for humanity.

My four grandparents perished in the Jewish holocaust. I demand to know the real reason they were murdered. London-based Masonic bankers and their cronies brought Hitler to power in order to provoke war, control Stalin, and justify the creation of Israel. They betrayed non-Zionist Jews and let them perish. They are using the Jewish people in the same way they use the Masons.

The Illuminist Conspiracy

 We cannot understand the modern world unless we appreciate that it is the result of the Masonic conspiracy. People scoff yet the evidence stares them in the face every day.

 The Great Seal of the United States on every dollar bill is a Masonic symbol. There are 33 steps on the side of the pyramid representing the 33 degrees of Freemasonry. The Masons established the United States as a base to advance their goal of world supremacy. According to "The Temple and the Lodge" the Masonic English generals let their American "brothers" win a seeming independence. (Baigent & Leigh, pp.252ff.)

 Similarly, the emblem of the United Nations is also a Masonic symbol. The world is caught in a grid consisting of 33 spaces surrounded by acacia leaves, which signifies intense activity in masonry. (215)

 Three-quarters of US presidents in the Twentieth Century were high-level Masons. Both Bush and Kerry are Masons (Skull and Bones.) FDR, Churchill, Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin were masons. Most Zionist leaders were and are Masons. Gerhard Schroeder, Jacques Chirac and Tony Blair are Freemasons. So is Sadaam Hussein, which suggests the Iraq war could be a sadistic charade.

There are over six-million Masons in 32,000 lodges around the world including 2.5 million in the US. In 1929, 67% of Members of Congress were Masons. There are 500,000 Masons in England with more than 100 lodges in the City of London alone. More than five per cent of British judges are Masons.

 Lina believes, "Freemasonry plays the same role in Western society as the Communist Party did in the Soviet Union. Without belonging to the freemasonry there is no chance of a fast career, regardless of how talented one is."

 Keep in mind that Communism was a Masonic enterprize and the puzzle starts to take shape.

 Lina says Freemasons not only control politics but also virtually every sector of Western society, including science and culture. "The present cultural life has become virtually unconscious," he writes. "We have witnessed the beginning of cultural senility." (333)

 In his pamphlet "The Open Conspiracy: Blueprint for a World Revolution" (1929) the Freemason H.G. Wells describes an "open secret society" consisting of society's leading men operating as a hidden force to secure world resources, reduce population through war and replace the nation state with world dictatorship. (340)

Masonic ideology

 Human beings are naturally attracted to good and repulsed by evil. Thus evil always represents itself as good. To the public, and its own lower ranks, Freemasonry pretends to be dedicated to "making good men better", humanism, tolerance, Christianity and you-name-it.

 If this were true, would they have to extract vows of secrecy from members on pain of slitting their throat? Would they have been condemned by many Popes and banned from numerous countries? (84)

I do not wish to impugn the many good and decent men in the lower "Blue Degrees" who are unaware of Freemasonry's true function and character. But there is abundant evidence and testimony that Freemasonry is a satanic cult dedicated to the worship of death. (134-138)

 For example, when the Italian Grand Orient Lodge was evicted from the Palazzio Bourghese in Rome in 1893, the owner found a shrine dedicated to Satan. The Italian freemasons published a newspaper in the 1880's where they admitted time and again, "Our leader is Satan!" (135)

The Masons also admit to having a revolutionary political agenda. Typical of statements Lina cites from Masonic publications is the following from a German magazine in 1910:" The driving thought is at all times focused on destruction and annihilation, because the power of this great secret society can only rise from the ruins of the existing order of society." (272)

Conclusion

The Illuminist Conspiracy is the brake responsible for humanity's arrested development. Mankind resembles a person suffering from a serious disease and sinking into a coma.

 Juri Lina has written a courageous book to revive us. He says we face "the largest spiritual crisis in the history of mankind...They have taken our history, our dignity, our wisdom and our honor, sense of responsibility, spiritual insights and our traditions."

 We are partly to blame, he says: "We have failed to act against the Masonic madness due to our enormous gullibility. We have been totally fooled and ignored the warning signals." (274)

 He ends on a hopeful note, saying evil is dysfunctional and inevitably destroys itself. "Freemasonry carries within it the seeds of its own destruction." (563)

Wars, revolutions and depressions are all part of a "revolutionary" process designed to frogmarch humanity to "world government" under the rubric of Freemasonry which may be a surrogate for an alliance of occult Jewish and gentile financial elites. Their "self-destruction" seems to be our best hope since the public is too feckless and weak to resist.


[PICTURE]

Architects of Deception can be purchased for US$50 by emailing Jyri Lina at jyrilina@yahoo.com

The book also contains many gossipy nuggets such as Hitler had a son; Lenin was a homosexual; Castro is Jewish and a multimillionaire; and Henry Kissinger was/is a Soviet agent! He says the Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Rotary and Lions Clubs were founded by Masons. Golf was invented by Masons and has great significance to them

 Albert Pike, Head of Scottish Rite, on the great hoodwinking in "Morals and Dogma" (1871):

"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled ..."

"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry." (pp. 104, 105 & 819)

 See also Lyndon Larouche Real History of Satanism
 SEE Masonic Bible Used at Presidential Inaugurations
 See also my "Making the World Safe...for Bankers"

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: zlater September 09, 2007, 05:48:04 AM
Thought so.. This Lions Club has appeared in a place i doubt it would ever have appeared otherwise but through freemasonry. No wonder this place has become one of the most corrupt in the region..
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Biggs September 18, 2008, 08:32:17 PM
LOL, I just noticed that this thread was one started by Corsig the masonic troll to divert attention away from the wrong doings of freemasonry, and clearly the title has been amended to make it a worthwhile discussion on the criminality of freemasonry and how their serve their NWO/elitist/illuminati/satanic & jesuit masters.

very funny bit of irony

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: corsig September 20, 2008, 10:18:39 AM
LOL, I just noticed that this thread was one started by Corsig the masonic troll to divert attention away from the wrong doings of freemasonry, and clearly the title has been amended to make it a worthwhile discussion on the criminality of freemasonry and how their serve their NWO/elitist/illuminati/satanic & jesuit masters.

very funny bit of irony


Yeah I noticed that myself...

I was scratching my head wondering how that happened. Apparently changing the title from the one I used without my permission is the latest Masonic conspiracy.

 
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Truth researcher September 29, 2008, 03:53:40 PM
When I look at Masons history I can see clearly that the NWO and B.G contacted to it in some how.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Truth researcher September 30, 2008, 10:50:19 AM
He has claimed that at the highest levels the Masonic leaders worship a blood-drinking Black Dragon. I would like to know where he received that information from.
Do you mean this one?
(http://www.illuminati.org/images/6/69/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B7%D1%8A.jpg)
Found it here http://www.illuminati.org/index.php/the_Illuminati:Community_Portal (http://www.illuminati.org/index.php/the_Illuminati:Community_Portal)  :-\
It's like something in the black magic/magick  ??? like this:
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Circletriangle.gif) It's more like snake..
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Unclewho7 October 14, 2008, 02:47:53 AM
I would love to know why Alex is so against the Masons. What proof is there that they do anything wrong.

I know from listening to the show for about 2 years now AJ doesn't like them and neither does his guests.

Is it a religious reason or is there proof of any wrong doings.

Would be interested in hearing more about this very much

Cory

The Masons are an occult where they have different levels of followers, much like the Mormons. The lowest level of followers are clueless about the highest level of followers. They have to work their way to the top, per a friend of my wife that is a Mason. The Masons, Mormons, Christian Scientology, and many other religion wannabes all believe that they will become the one world religion, but they fail to realize the reality that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and is the only belief that is successful going to be not only the one world religion but also the one world government, all in one neat little package.

Alex Jones has researched many of the symbolism and mysterious activities of the Masons and has a legitimate reason to believe the way he does.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: rustygunn October 14, 2008, 03:12:25 AM
Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt has compiled and is intent on preserving books that the elite want out of circulation.  Among those books are many dealing with Freemasonry.  Here is a link to a 1914 Encyclopedia of Freemasonry:   

http://www.americandeception.com/index.php?action=downloadpdf&photo=/PDFsml_AD/Encylopedia_Of_Freemasonry_Vol_1-A_Mackey33Dg-W_Hughan32Dg-E_Hawkins30Dg-1916-CTD-474pgs-SEC_SOC.sml.pdf&id=173

This is the link to all other books dealing with secret societies (Note...some are donor only access, but some are free to download):

http://www.americandeception.com/index.php?page=usercat&catid=11&PHPSESSID=84cff40954239356df213a46bbe54178


Edit:
Charlotte Iserbyt has not compiled this information, but has it linked through her web site here:
 http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/

She supports the preservation of these books which exposes the NWO plan.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Biggs October 14, 2008, 06:04:00 AM
great post Rustygunn, many thanks, I will copy this into the Literature section as well as I am sure more people will want to see Iserbyt's collection.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: catholicportugalian October 28, 2008, 11:22:19 AM
Encyclical Letter of Pope Leo XIII on Freemasonry
 “They are planned the destruction of Holy Church publicly and openly”

Many people may ask what is so wrong with being a Mason, all the more so since even the members of the lower degrees of Freemasonry are not even aware of its real evil objectives. So it will be of interest to all to read what Pope Leo XIII wrote on April 20, 1884, a special encyclical letter (called “Humanum genus”) addressed to all the Bishops of the world, on the very subject of Freemasonry. Here are many excerpts:

HUMANUM GENUS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII

Two opposite parts

Leo XIII (Pope from 1878 to 1903)

The race of man (in Latin, “humanum genus”, hence the title of the encyclical letter), after its miserable fall from God, the Creator and the Giver of heavenly gifts, "through the envy of the devil," separated into two diverse and opposite parts, of which the one steadfastly contends for truth and virtue, the other of those things which are contrary to virtue and to truth. The one is the kingdom of God on earth, namely, the true Church of Jesus Christ; and those who desire from their heart to be united with it, so as to gain salvation, must of necessity serve God and His only-begotten Son with their whole mind and with an entire will. The other is the kingdom of Satan, in whose possession and control are all whosoever follow the fatal example of their leader and of our first parents, those who refuse to obey the divine and eternal law, and who have many aims of their own in contempt of God, and many aims also against God.

This twofold kingdom St. Augustine keenly discerned and described after the manner of two cities, contrary in their laws because striving for contrary objects; and with a subtle brevity he expressed the efficient cause of each in these words: "Two loves formed two cities: the love of self, reaching even to contempt of God, an earthly city; and the love of God, reaching to contempt of self, a heavenly one." At every period of time each has been in conflict with the other, with a variety and multiplicity of weapons and of warfare, although not always with equal ardour and assault.

The aim of Freemasonry: the destruction of holy Church

At this period, however, the partisans of evil seems to be combining together, and to be struggling with united vehemence, led on or assisted by that strongly organized and widespread association called the Freemasons. No longer making any secret of their purposes, they are now boldly rising up against God Himself. They are planning the destruction of holy Church publicly and openly, and this with the set purpose of utterly despoiling the nations of Christendom, if it were possible, of the blessings obtained for us through Jesus Christ our Saviour.

Lamenting these evils, We are constrained by the charity which urges Our heart to cry out often to God: "For lo, Thy enemies have made a noise; and they that hate Thee have lifted up the head. They have taken a malicious counsel against Thy people, and they have consulted against Thy saints. They have said, `come, and let us destroy them, so that they be not a nation.' (Ps. 81:24)

At so urgent a crisis, when so fierce and so pressing an onslaught is made upon the Christian name, it is Our office to point out the danger, to mark who are the adversaries, and to the best of Our power to make head against their plans and devices, that those may not perish whose salvation is committed to Us, and that the kingdom of Jesus Christ entrusted to Our charge may not stand and remain whole, but may be enlarged by an ever-increasing growth throughout the world.

For as soon as the constitution and the spirit of the masonic sect were clearly discovered by manifest signs of its actions, by the investigation of its causes, by publication of its laws, and of its rites and commentaries, with the addition often of the personal testimony of those who were in the secret, this Apostolic See denounced the sect of the Freemasons, and publicly declared its constitution, as contrary to law and right, to be pernicious no less to Christendom than to the State; and it forbade any one to enter the society, under the penalties which the Church is wont to inflict upon exceptionally guilty persons.

The sect of Freemasons grew with a rapidity beyond conception in the course of a century and a half, until it came to be able, by means of fraud or of audacity, to gain such entrance into every rank of the State as to seem to be almost its ruling power. This swift and formidable advance has brought upon the Church, upon the power of princes, upon the public well-being, precisely that grievous harm which Our predecessors had long before foreseen. Such a condition has been reached that henceforth there will be grave reason to fear, not indeed for the Church — for her foundation is much too firm to be overturned by the effort of men — but for those States in which prevails the power, either of the sect of which we are speaking or of other sects not dissimilar which lend themselves to it as disciples and subordinates.

For, from what We have above most clearly shown, that which is their ultimate purpose forces itself into view-namely, the utter overthrow of that whole religious and political order of the world which the Christian teaching has produced, and the substitution of a new state of things in accordance with their ideas, of which the foundations and laws shall be drawn from mere naturalism.

What We have said, and are about to say, must be understood of the sect of the Freemasons taken generically, and in so far as it comprises the associations kindred to it and confederated with it, but not of the individual members of them. There may be persons amongst these, and not a few who, although not free from the guilt of having entangled themselves in such associations, yet are neither themselves partners in their criminal acts nor aware of the ultimate object which they are endeavoring to attain.

Now, the fundamental doctrine of the naturalists, which they sufficiently make known by their very name, is that human nature and human reason ought in all things to be mistress and guide. Laying this down, they care little for duties to God, or pervert them by erroneous and vague opinions. For they deny that anything has been taught by God; they allow no dogma of religion or truth which cannot be understood by the human intelligence, nor any teacher who ought to be believed by reason of his authority. And since it is the special and exclusive duty of the Catholic Church fully to set forth in words truths divinely received, to teach, besides other divine helps to salvation, the authority of its office, and to defend the same with perfect purity, it is against the Church that the rage and attack of the enemies are principally directed.

By a long and persevering labor, they endeavor to bring about this result — namely, that the teaching office and authority of the Church may become of no account in the civil State; and for this same reason they declare to the people and contend that Church and State ought to be altogether disunited. By this means they reject from the laws and from the commonwealth the wholesome influence of the Catholic religion; and they consequently imagine that States ought to be constituted without any regard for the laws and precepts of the Church.

Nor do they think it enough to disregard the Church — the best of guides — unless they also injure it by their hostility. Indeed, with them it is lawful to attack with impunity the very foundations of the Catholic religion, in speech, in writing, and in teaching; and even the rights of the Church are not spared, and the offices with which it is divinely invested are not safe. The least possible liberty to manage affairs is left to the Church; and this is done by laws not apparently very hostile, but in reality framed and fitted to hinder freedom of action.

If those who are admitted as members are not commanded to abjure by any form of words the Catholic doctrines, this omission, so far from being adverse to the designs of the Freemasons, is more useful for their purposes. First, in this way they easily deceive the simple-minded and the heedless, and can induce a far greater number to become members. Again, as all who offer themselves are received whatever may be their form of religion, they thereby teach the great error of this age-that a regard for religion should be held as an indifferent matter, and that all religions are alike.

Morality without religion

We speak now of the duties which have their origin in natural probity. That God is the Creator of the world and its provident Ruler; that the eternal law commands the natural order to be maintained, and forbids that it be disturbed; that the last end of men is a destiny far above human things and beyond this sojourning upon the earth: these are the sources and these the principles of all justice and morality. If these be taken away, as the naturalists and Freemasons desire, there will immediately be no knowledge as to what constitutes justice and injustice, or upon what principle morality is founded. And, in truth, the only thing which has found grace before the members of the Masonic sect and in which they request that youth should receive the proper teaching is what they call “civic morality”, “independent morality”, “free morality”, in other words a morality in which religious beliefs find no room. This morality is insufficient and its effects are its own condemnation.

But, how insufficient such teaching is, how wanting in soundness, and how easily moved by every impulse of passion, is sufficiently proved by its sad fruits, which have already begun to appear. For, wherever, by removing Christian education, this teaching has begun more completely to rule, there goodness and integrity of morals have begun quickly to perish, monstrous and shameful opinions have grown up, and the audacity of evil deeds has risen to a high degree. All this is commonly complained of and deplored; and not a few of those who by no means wish to do so are compelled by abundant evidence to give not infrequently the same testimony.

Wherefore we see that men are publicly tempted by the many allurements of pleasure; that there are journals and pamphlets with neither moderation nor shame; that stage-plays are remarkable for license; that designs for works of art are shamelessly sought in the laws of a so called verism; that the contrivances of a soft and delicate life are most carefully devised; and that all the blandishments of pleasure are diligently sought out by which virtue may be lulled to sleep.

Satiate the multitude with vice

Wickedly, also, but at the same time quite consistently, do those act who do away with the expectation of the joys of heaven, and bring down all happiness to the level of mortality, and, as it were, sink it in the earth. Of what We have said the following fact, astonishing not so much in itself as in its open expression, may serve as a confirmation. For, since generally no one is accustomed to obey crafty and clever men so submissively as those whose soul is weakened and broken down by the domination of the passions, there have been in the sect of the Freemasons some who have plainly determined and proposed that, artfully and of set purpose, the multitude should be satiated with a boundless license of vice, as, when this had been done, it would easily come under their power and authority for any acts of daring.

What refers to domestic life in the teaching of the naturalists is almost all contained in the following declarations: that marriage belongs to the genus of commercial contracts, which can rightly be revoked by the will of those who made them, and that the civil rulers of the State have power over the matrimonial bond; that in the education of youth nothing is to be taught in the matter of religion as of certain and fixed opinion; and each one must be left at liberty to follow, when he comes of age, whatever he may prefer. To these things the Freemasons fully assent; and not only assent, but have long endeavoured to make them into a law and institution. For in many countries, and those nominally Catholic, it is enacted that no marriages shall be considered lawful except those contracted by the civil rite; in other places the law permits divorce; and in others every effort is used to make it lawful as soon as may be. Thus, the time is quickly coming when marriages will be turned into another kind of contract-that is into changeable and uncertain unions which fancy may join together, and which the same when changed may disunite.

Taking over the education of youth

With the greatest unanimity the sect of the Freemasons also endeavours to take to itself the education of youth. They think that they can easily mold to their opinions that soft and pliant age, and bend it whither they will; and that nothing can be more fitted than this to enable them to bring up the youth of the State after their own plan. Therefore, in the education and instruction of children they allow no share, either of teaching or of discipline, to the ministers of the Church; and in many places they have procured that the education of youth shall be exclusively in the hands of laymen, and that nothing which treats of the most important and most holy duties of men to God shall be introduced into the instructions on morals.

What, therefore, sect of the Freemasons is, and what course it pursues, appears sufficiently from the summary We have briefly given. Their chief dogmas are so greatly and manifestly at variance with reason that nothing can be more perverse. To wish to destroy the religion and the Church which God Himself has established, and whose perpetuity He insures by His protection, and to bring back after a lapse of eighteen centuries the manners and customs of the pagans, is signal folly and audacious impiety. Neither is it less horrible nor more tolerable that they should repudiate the benefits which Jesus Christ so mercifully obtained, not only for individuals, but also for the family and for civil society, benefits which, even according to the judgment and testimony of enemies of Christianity, are very great. In this insane and wicked endeavor we may almost see the implacable hatred and spirit of revenge with which Satan himself is inflamed against Jesus Christ.

So also the studious endeavour of the Freemasons to destroy the chief foundations of justice and honesty, and to co-operate with those who would wish, as if they were mere animals, to do what they please, tends only to the ignominious and disgraceful ruin of the human race. The evil, too, is increased by the dangers which threaten both domestic and civil society. As We have elsewhere shown, in marriage, according to the belief of almost every nation, there is something sacred and religious; and the law of God has determined that marriages shall not be dissolved. If they are deprived of their sacred character, and made dissoluble, trouble and confusion in the family will be the result, the wife being deprived of her dignity and the children left without protection as to their interests and well being.

To have in public matters no care for religion, and in the arrangement and administration of civil affairs to have no more regard for God than if He did not exist, is a rashness unknown to the very pagans; for in their heart and soul the notion of a divinity and the need of public religion were so firmly fixed that they would have thought it easier to have city without foundation than a city without God. Human society, indeed for which by nature we are formed, has been constituted by God the Author of nature; and from Him, as from their principle and source, flow in all their strength and permanence the countless benefits with which society abounds. As we are each of us admonished by the very voice of nature to worship God in piety and holiness, as the Giver unto us of life and of all that is good therein, so also and for the same reason, nations and States are bound to worship Him; and therefore it is clear that those who would absolve society from all religious duty act not only unjustly but also with ignorance and folly.

As men are by the will of God born for civil union and society, and as the power to rule is so necessary a bond of society that, if it be taken away, society must at once be broken up, it follows that from Him who is the Author of society has come also the authority to rule; so that whosoever rules, he is the minister of God. Wherefore, as the end and nature of human society so requires, it is right to obey the just commands of lawful authority, as it is right to obey God who ruleth all things; and it is most untrue that the people have it in their power to cast aside their obedience whensoever they please.

Would that all men would judge of the tree by its fruit, and would acknowledge the seed and origin of the evils which press upon us, and of the dangers that are impending! We have to deal with a deceitful and crafty enemy, who, gratifying the ears of people and of princes, has ensnared them by smooth speeches and by adulation.

"But for this reason," to use the words of St. Augustine, "men think, or would have it believed, that Christian teaching is not suited to the good of the State; for they wish the State to be founded not on solid virtue, but on the impunity of vice." Knowing these things, both princes and people would act with political wisdom, and according to the needs of general safety, if, instead of joining with Freemasons to destroy the Church, they joined with the Church in repelling their attacks.

A plague creeping in the body politic

We pray and beseech you, venerable brethren, to join your efforts with Ours, and earnestly to strive for the extirpation of this foul plague, which is creeping through the veins of the body politic. (...) We wish it to be your rule first of all to tear away the mask from Freemasonry, and to let it be seen as it really is; and by sermons and pastoral letters to instruct the people as to the artifices used by societies of this kind in seducing men and enticing them into their ranks, and as to the depravity of their opinions and the wickedness of their acts. As Our predecessors have many times repeated, let no man think that he may for any reason whatsoever join the masonic sect, if he values his Catholic name and his eternal salvation as he ought to value them. Let no one be deceived by a pretense of honesty. It may seem to some that Freemasons demand nothing that is openly contrary to religion and morality; but, as the whole principle and object of the sect lies in what is vicious and criminal, to join with these men or in any way to help them cannot be lawful.

Further, by assiduous teaching and exhortation, the multitude must be drawn to learn diligently the precepts of religion; for which purpose we earnestly advise that by opportune writings and sermons they be taught the elements of those sacred truths in which Christian philosophy is contained.

This good and great work requires to be helped also by the industry of those amongst the laity in whom a love of religion and of country is joined to learning and goodness of life. By uniting the efforts of both clergy and laity, strive, venerable brethren, to make men thoroughly know and love the Church; for, the greater their knowledge and love of the Church, the more will they be turned away from clandestine societies.

Let us take our helper and intercessor the Virgin Mary, Mother of God, so that she, who from the moment of her conception overcame Satan may show her power over these evil sects, in which is revived the contumacious spirit of the demon, together with his unsubdued perfidy and deceit. Let us beseech Michael, the prince of the heavenly angels, who drove out the infernal foe; and Joseph, the spouse of the most holy Virgin, and heavenly patron of the Catholic Church; and the great Apostles, Peter and Paul, the fathers and victorious champions of the Christian faith. By their patronage, and by perseverance in united prayer, we hope that God will mercifully and opportunely succor the human race, which is encompassed by so many dangers.

LEO XIII

http://www.michaeljournal.org/humanumgenus.htm
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Puff1 December 29, 2008, 04:07:44 PM
So I'm new here and have been reading around all the forums here for the last few weeks and after this thread I have some questions of the membership and of the moderators of this site.

1. In this thread there are several members admitting that the Title of this thread was changed without the expressed permission of the thread starter. Why? If I have to worry about my words being censored not only will leave this forum forever but I will also demand a refund of my yearly membership.

2. Do the people here believe in the Constitution? More directly the first amendment? Here let me post the exact writing, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Everyone here seems to ignore the first half of the first line. Its almost like people forget we have freedom of religion.

3. Does any member have actual proof that the Freemasons are criminals? I'm not interested in them being Satan worshipers. The way I look at the situation is this; The Founding Fathers were freemasons and boy did they do a hell of a job writing the constitution.

Personally I dont care what god a man prays to. He can pray to a golden terd falling from a squirrels ass for all I care, as long as the economy is good, the crime rate is down, and my borders are secure.

Anyone care to re-open this conversation?

-wes


From the testimonials that I have listened to, there are only a very small number of freemasons who are actually aware of the nefarious objectives of the 'elite' at the top.  It's the same kind of thing with catholics because the heirarchy is compartmentalized. 

Hitler hated masons and they were persecuted during that time, a lot of people don't realize this.  And in regard to the founding fathers - yes I agree they definitely knew what they were doing.  They also had experienced religious tyranny in Europe.  Their ideologies were structured in accordance with Biblical law to a large extent, inalienable rights, etc...  as a result of the protestant reformation, and many of them were in fact very devout Christians.  Too bad we're losing that foundation that this country was founded on bit by bit.

Bill Schnoebelen talks about all of this - he went very high up into the esoteric levels of freemasonry (Luciferianiam - same as the catholics) and he was also a catholic priest who eventually became a born again Christian.  Do a google search and you can find several videos of his if you're interested.   
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Biggs December 30, 2008, 09:02:21 AM
As for your 1st amendment rights, they are not being infringed as this is a private forum, which is opened for public access. Views that differ widely from those of AJ and team or the mvoement in general, or people seen to be here for purposes of causing trouble are indeed censored.

The reason this does not infringe your rights is that you can go to literally a million other places on the web and be as pro-masonic (or pro Bush, or pro Israeli or pro-war or whatever) as you like, hence you have free speech.

This space is kept as a educational space to further the interests of the movement, allowing all and sundry to come here and spread their lies woudl reduce this space to the same as GLP where it is a free for all and good information is often hard to find. The entire purpose of this space is to spread good information, hence cointel, megaphone brigade, and masonic trolls like corsig are all censored wherever possible (as are some nut job views and religious/ethnic hate etc)

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: wescyber December 30, 2008, 02:28:40 PM
so now you delete my posts

-wes
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Biggs December 30, 2008, 09:06:54 PM
so now you delete my posts

-wes

precisely
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: wescyber January 04, 2009, 01:24:32 PM
Well Biggs I sent you a PM, I hope you get it. I am not a masonic troll, and I dont even know what GLP is. I'm ex-military and all I know of masons is that they are a bunch of old men who dont know whether or not they want to be christian. Does anyone have any proof that they are run by the Bilderbergers?

I know the man that started the KKK was a mason and that dosent look too good. Can anyone alse give some examples of evil shit like the KKK coming out of the masons?

-wes
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: spookfu February 04, 2009, 04:00:15 AM
..alls i know is it `s kinda funny with the oaths ..and funky weird stuff they are up to , then the oaths mean something to the initiates. they have chosen their path
..steinetology 2 billion yr  contract, private jails going on now presidents in all honesty they must really be giving up oaths of other organizations (what is treason?) to be devoted only to this country not against it
: As above, so below, triangle/compass
: akston March 10, 2009, 11:38:07 AM
On my way home yesterday, something occured to me about the Triangle and Compass. And it really clicked once I tuned into the rebroadcast and heard Alex breaking down the symbolism in the Watchmen with such clarity...

On the facade of the Royal Ontario museum in Toronto, part of the fresco is comprised of this stylized pattern of deltas. Basically it's one of these:

  /\
 /  \
/    \

Overlaid on one of these

\    /
 \  /
  \/

Which results in this shape.

  \ /\ /
  /\  /\
 /  \/  \

The simplification of these forms made it clear how similar they are to both the Indian Sri Yantra and the Masonic Square and Compass...

(http://www.geocities.com/jussaymoe/phallicism/yantra2.jpg)  vs (http://www.geocities.com/jussaymoe/phallicism/squarecompass.jpg)

It's a pretty obvious connection to make, I suppose, and others have done so... this geocities page, for instance, breaks down the dualism inherent in these symbols..

http://www.geocities.com/jussaymoe/phallicism/phallicism.htm

It's really surprising , though, to see it pop out at you in this way. In fact, that whole area of Toronto is very rich in symbolism, since it's right by the University of Toronto campus. The older buildings at U of T, as well as the provincial legislature down the street, are literally encrusted in symbolism, owls, etc. Without getting into the architects here, who without a doubt were masons, suffice it to say that these buildings speak their own language.

It's not just the square and compass... a new order of things is busting out all over at the ROM, in fact... (shades of IM Pei?)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3143/2711253379_a08efdd5e2.jpg)

While the old order simply assumes a new mask...

(http://bp2.blogger.com/_J6AGGZHtddI/SJd5aUwk0iI/AAAAAAAABQo/YmsmwZcCfTU/s400/ROM+EB+014.jpg)

You can read a little bit about additional architectural examples in the area here (http://www.fineart.utoronto.ca/canarch/architect/lennox.html) and here (http://www.vicu.utoronto.ca/about/history/One_Hundred_Years_of_Architecture.htm).

One last thing... the crest of Victoria College (http://www.vicu.utoronto.ca/site4.aspx), which is across the street from the ROM, features a Phoenix, which has associations to the cycle of destruction and rebirth that is so much a part of the belief system of so many religions, including the belief (in the Watchmen) of civilization reborn from nuclear fire, Christ's blood sacrifice and  ascension, etc etc.

(http://vicres.utoronto.ca/Layout/Various_files/crest_victoria.gif)

Of course, it's probably just a coincidence that the U of T is host to a massive globalist thinktank (http://www.g7.utoronto.ca/).  ::)

Anyways, if you live in the area, have a walk through campus... look up... free-associate... the truth shall make you free.  :D

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/99/291873656_c51fdc9022.jpg)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: catholicportugalian March 13, 2009, 10:45:45 AM
From the testimonials that I have listened to, there are only a very small number of freemasons who are actually aware of the nefarious objectives of the 'elite' at the top.  It's the same kind of thing with catholics because the heirarchy is compartmentalized. 

Hitler hated masons and they were persecuted during that time, a lot of people don't realize this.  And in regard to the founding fathers - yes I agree they definitely knew what they were doing.  They also had experienced religious tyranny in Europe.  Their ideologies were structured in accordance with Biblical law to a large extent, inalienable rights, etc...  as a result of the protestant reformation, and many of them were in fact very devout Christians.  Too bad we're losing that foundation that this country was founded on bit by bit.

Bill Schnoebelen talks about all of this - he went very high up into the esoteric levels of freemasonry (Luciferianiam - same as the catholics) and he was also a catholic priest who eventually became a born again Christian.  Do a google search and you can find several videos of his if you're interested.   

of course Hitler hated masons, as mason were mostly Jews.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Biggs March 13, 2009, 03:52:06 PM
of course Hitler hated masons, as mason were mostly Jews.

to be more precise he hated lower level freemasons, blue lodgers, first 3 degrees, there is no way his prussian military commanders were not all masons, but they would have been higher level masons
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: catholicportugalian March 13, 2009, 09:50:03 PM
to be more precise he hated lower level freemasons, blue lodgers, first 3 degrees, there is no way his prussian military commanders were not all masons, but they would have been higher level masons

makes sense.  I really don't know much about it, except that a good deal of freemasons of that time period were Jews or at least of Jewish ancestry.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: ellas95 March 17, 2009, 08:51:43 PM


I came across a series of films series : 13 Masonic Secrets

Has anyone else seen these series ?

13 Masonic Secrets Trailer . 13 Masonic Secrets is the highly anticipated new film exposing 13 Masonic Secrets, brought to you by HashemsFilms and Freedomtou Pictures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhs6KpFdHzQ

Part 1 of 13 You must obey the Ancient Laws of Egypt: Episode one sheds a little light on a mysterious relationship between Jordan Maxwell and 33rd degree freemason Manly P Hall as well as discusses Freemasonic system of citizenship and how it relates to the transformation of world citizenship to the Ancient Egyptian System. Desc: A. James.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bRnsbdCF5s

Part 2 of 13 The Temple of Isis: Episode two deals with the temple of Isis, her relationship with the statue of liberty, the parallels between the gods of ancient Egypt and America and touches on the pillars of Jachin and Boaz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKR80R17Ipg

Part 3 of 13 The Twin Pillars of Jachin & Boaz: This episode deals entirely with the pillars of Jachin and Boaz, their significance throughout history, their relationship to freemasonic and alchemical thought and practice in addition to the use of it as a portal of some sort...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AwOMd7jTxs

Part 4 of 13 This episode deals with the Passing of the Veil of Isis, Einstein's famous theory of E=MC2 and the use of Manipulation of Vibrations that occur in the different levels of Freemasonry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANDHrHC_DVw

Part 5 of 13 The checkered floors: This episode deals with the hidden meaning behind the symbolic Checkered Floors used in all Masonic Halls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO6IJYKUiFM

Part 6 of Anti-Matter, CERN and the world of Jinns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZZ5M-1k2rU

Part 7 of 13 The most perfect shape, the essence of God: This episode deals with the most perfect shape, the essence of God according to Freemasons, their most sacred tool and the Nexus, the hallway with all the doors .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvoUZMCrBjU

Part 8 of 13 This episode deals with the Merkaba, the light vehicle which takes ones consciousness to the Nexus and beyond.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6qJb6688zI

Part 9 thru 13 This episode deals with the blue Jinn, their nature and relationship to Masons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfozj2Gc3As

Part 10 thru 13 This episode deals with the Stonecutters, Ley Lines and Buildings designed on specific energy points for specific purposes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShlV5y2Ew_s

Part 11 -12 - 13
have not been upped yet .
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: chowder March 18, 2009, 11:52:13 AM
Sandusky,Ohio.
Streets designed after Square and Compass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt1JfPffx4g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt1JfPffx4g)

Open house for the temple this Saturday the 21st.
1-4pm.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: OrwellSociety August 11, 2009, 01:11:38 AM
we square our actions by square of our virtue

Are you on the square my friend?

And masonry is evil. Oh course not Mr. Jones the 3rd degree mason who goes to the lodges is not. But at the heights of the Scottish rite its all bad.

Straight from the mouth of the mason God:

"To you Sovereign Grand Inspectors General (the name of the 33rd degree, the highest degree known to the world in Scottish Rite Masonry), we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees. The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine" (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma)


"The Blue Degrees (the first three degrees of Masonry) are but the outer court or portico of the Temple.  Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their True explication is reserved for the Adepts (those who have advanced to the highest degrees in Masonry) . . . It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain (and any past Mason who has learned the truth, knows the almost complete futility in trying to enlighten his fellow Mason as to truth. For they have been so completely indoctrinated they will not listen, nor examine the evidence presented to them) . . . " (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 819).



: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Biggs August 11, 2009, 10:36:02 AM
Are you on the square my friend?

And masonry is evil. Oh course not Mr. Jones the 3rd degree mason who goes to the lodges is not. But at the heights of the Scottish rite its all bad.

Straight from the mouth of the mason God:

"To you Sovereign Grand Inspectors General (the name of the 33rd degree, the highest degree known to the world in Scottish Rite Masonry), we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees. The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine" (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma)


"The Blue Degrees (the first three degrees of Masonry) are but the outer court or portico of the Temple.  Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their True explication is reserved for the Adepts (those who have advanced to the highest degrees in Masonry) . . . It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain (and any past Mason who has learned the truth, knows the almost complete futility in trying to enlighten his fellow Mason as to truth. For they have been so completely indoctrinated they will not listen, nor examine the evidence presented to them) . . . " (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 819).





very powerful quotes, thank you , no refuting those
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Okinawa August 13, 2009, 07:52:48 AM
International organizations, bankers, CIA, MI5/6, UNESCO, UN, NATO, Universities etc., use Freemasons and intelligence agencies to forward secret agendas that the general public would think against their best interests including eugenics, fraud, deception, murder, coercion, manipulation, character assassination, spying, politicide, genocide, democide, all for the purpose of creating a Totalitarian world state.

Freemasonry is a Criminal Organization, where Freemasons are = criminal scum.

It seems that lower level masons are mostly oblivious to the true nature of this devil worshiping cabal.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Col3_11n12 September 06, 2009, 10:52:09 PM
Qualifications to be a low-level Mason = need to be able to wear a cone-shaped graduation cap and drive a go-cart in circles.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: phosphene September 12, 2009, 04:32:28 AM
The US Constitution was written by Free Masons. They allow their members to freely practice any religion they choose.

The Pope doesn't like it when people swear allegiance to something other than the bible...like the US Constitution. So, most of the anti-mason stuff comes from the church.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Col3_11n12 September 13, 2009, 02:18:45 PM
They allow their members to freely practice any religion they choose.

How many atheist freemasons do you know?


The Pope doesn't like it when people swear allegiance to something other than the bible...like the US Constitution. So, most of the anti-mason stuff comes from the church.

First off, it's not true.  Catholic leadership doesn't like it when Catholics swear to something other than CATHOLICISM.   Second, any Christian doesn't like it when people swear to anything that leads you to Hell.   Plenty of other religions out there that lead to Hell.  Freemasonry is one of them.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper June 13, 2010, 09:07:31 PM
Quote roscoe (from page one)


The Ritual for the 17th Degree for Scottish Rite masonry speaks of the worship of Abaddon.

"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

Revelation 9:11

(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/Pleiades.jpg)

"Sing praises to the Lord which dwelleth in Zion"

Psalm 9:11

The star Alcyone was EXACTLY due west from Washington DC at the precise moment the transponder of American airlines Flight 11 was turned off (ie the instance the hijackings commenced). The star Sirius was EXACTLY due south of New York City at an angle of 33° at this precise moment. This mutual event was repeated at the commencement of the Light Ceremony of 11th March 2002.

In 1927 and 1928 the Jehovah's Witnesses said in their publication then called Zion's Watchtower that God resided in the Star Alcyone, the central star of the Pleiades.

[Interesting]
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: citizenx June 13, 2010, 09:24:45 PM
How many atheist freemasons do you know?
The continental lodges of Freemasonry in Europe do allow atheists to be members, though I haven't the foggiest why any self-respecting atheist would want to be mixed up with such a bunch of frauds, dupes, and crack-pots.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper June 13, 2010, 09:52:26 PM
The continental lodges of Freemasonry in Europe do allow atheists to be members..

Source?, i didn't think so.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: citizenx June 13, 2010, 09:58:05 PM
Viper,  Study the history of the French Masonic lodges.  One of the big divisions between the French-Continental lodges and the English and American lodges has been on preceisely this issue.  You almost look foolish by stating this.  Have you really researched the history of Freemasonry?

I don't have time right at the moment to source this for you, but it is pretty elementary.  I suggest you hit the books.

I will "source" it when I have more time.  Good luck with your researches, though.

A Franc-Macon does not have to swear allegiance to God or the Creator.

Personally, I would go to the home-page of the GOdF (Grand Orient de France) myself first thing.  It may say right there.  That is my suggestion.  But, given everything that is happening right now this point is a very minor question in my eyes.  I will look into it more if and when I have more time.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper June 13, 2010, 10:03:13 PM
I don't give a care about the "source" of anyone that believes the jooos be behind everything,
i shall put my case over for the jooooos not being behind everything when i pick up a certain book in the future, for the sake of the racists.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: citizenx June 13, 2010, 10:07:06 PM
I don't blame the Jews for everything.  Now you are just full of $hit, Viper.  For all you know, I am a Jew.

How many times have you gone to a temple?

How many times have you prayed the "Baruch'a"?

I think you are just lazy and don't want to study the facts, and arrogant and don't want to listen to what others may know that you don't.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper June 13, 2010, 10:16:16 PM
Way see it i was just doin' my shit, taking my time with a thread, and being left alone doing it, then luckee1 citizenx comes by spouting "I haven't the foggiest why any self-respecting atheist would want to be mixed up with such a bunch of frauds, dupes, and crack-pots."

Whatever
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: citizenx June 13, 2010, 10:17:13 PM
Yup, whatever.

At least we agree on that.

Have a good day.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: captainkansas June 21, 2010, 04:43:39 AM
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/destruction_of_the_trade_centers.htm

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/destruction_of_the_trade_centers.htm (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/destruction_of_the_trade_centers.htm)

There's a lot of interesting info here too.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Dig June 23, 2010, 11:37:27 AM
Have fun guys:

https://secure.gn.apc.org/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=13355
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: H0llyw00d June 23, 2010, 11:39:32 AM
https://secure.gn.apc.org/members/www.bilderberg.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=13355

WOW!!!
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Dig June 23, 2010, 11:51:55 AM
WOW!!!

feel free to post all the pics and explanations, that is some pretty powerful stuff.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper June 23, 2010, 03:53:33 PM
BEFORE:

(http://members.toast.net/rjspina/Occult%20Signs%20and%20Symbols_files/blairhandSWNS_468x516.jpg)  
While studying at St John's College,
Mr Blair was a member of the Archery Club dining society
who posed for this group picture in 1975.

AFTER:


(http://members.toast.net/rjspina/Occult%20Signs%20and%20Symbols_files/blairnohand01_228x373.jpg)
Although the photo has been published before,
Mr Blair's hand gesture - which requires no explanation -
was digitally removed from it by the press agency which supplied it,
out of respect for the Prime Minister.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Desmondo June 23, 2010, 04:00:46 PM
Qualifications to be a low-level Mason = need to be able to wear a cone-shaped graduation cap and drive a go-cart in circles.

You're joking right? Only 33rd degree Masons can be Shriners, and only some of those Shriners can be part of the Royal Order of Jesters. It's all about secret groups within groups.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: H0llyw00d June 23, 2010, 04:02:07 PM
from bilderburg.org:
VITAL ! BILDERBERG : CONFIRMATION : the former Belgian BILDERBERGER WILLY CLAES makes an important revelation in a radio interview : Bilderberg does have immense political power and makes plans which greatly impact on world events every year !

Dear friends,

We find in the following article the evidence and the total confirmation of facts we have believed for a long time already

The Bilderbergers, and the harlots of the mass média under their protection, are presenting this group of globalists and totalitarians as a "club where gentlemen are liberally and freely speaking" and having no realpower on the events that are happening.

We already saw this year the presentation of Mr Europe, Mr Herman Van Rompuy, to the Bilderberg group before his election as president of the EEC... !


WE HAVE TODAY THE COMPLETE EVIDENCE OF WHAT WE WERE THINKING !

SO, WILLY CLAES, FORMER BILDERBERGER, FORMER BELGIAN MINISTER AND FORMER SECRETARY-GENERAL OF NATO (WHO WAS OBLIGED TO RESIGN BECAUSE A CORRUPTION SCANDAL), HAS SIMPLY ADMITTED THAT THE MEMBERS OF BILDERBERG GROUP RECEIVE AT THE END OF EACH MEETING A REPORT WHICH IS THE 'ORDER OF THE DAY' THAT THEY HAVE TO TO EXECUTE , EACH IN HIS DOMAIN AND ZONE OF INFLUENCE.



OF COURSE THE DECLARATION OF WILLY CLAES WAS BEEN ATTEMPTED TO BE DISMINISHED IN VOLUME AND POWER BY HIS RADIO INTERVIEWER BUT IT WAS TOO LATE. TRUTH WAS SAID AND WE KNOW IT IN ITS TERRIBLE CONSEQUENCES !


Source: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.zonnewind.be/bilderberg/2010/media-schade-beperken.shtml

ORIGINAL ARTCLE IN FLEMISH LANGUAGE: http://www.zonnewind.be/bilderberg/2010/media-schade-beperken.shtml


WILLY CLAES ADMTTING THAT BILDERBERG ARE DECIDING FOR THE YEAR COMING.


June 4 n 2010

With or without conscience the former general secretary of NATO, Willy Claes, is recognizing to the radio in an interview where the interviewer was trying to limit the truth of what Claes was saying (complete transcription : seer http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.zonnewind.be/bilderberg/2010/media-schade-beperken-2-interview-transcript.shtml&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjo5oaa-0zpSE2fyoQ6WbRBP8JT3g ), and this interview was done in the goal of diminishing the secrets aspects and the importance of the Group of Bilderberg.


On Belgian radio, the interviewer, Koen Fillet, had the secret ambition to invite the former Bilderberger and to mock all the opponants and the fringe of lunatics believing in a secret plot ("secret meeting ? Ha ha ha ...").Thus he invited Willy Claes, to prove that everything was quite normal and that no plot was at the ordre du jour. "Just a little club of the elite where ideas are exchanged, ha ha ha".

BUT INEXPLICALLY WILLY CLAES TOLD THE TRUTH : "THIS GROUP WAS FOUNDED FOR NATO TO DISCUSS OF THE FIGHT STRATEGY AGAINST COMMUNISM ", Willy explained.


« and thus this is the reason for which he has to be secret told the « journalist », ha ha ha » ?


CLAESSAID HE COULD NOT REVEAL PUBLICLY WHO WERE THE INVITEES THIS YEAR BUT ADDED THAT THE GROUP IS EXTREMELY INFLUENTIAL, AND THAT WHAT IS DISCUSSED INSIDE REALLY DOES INFLUENCE POLITICS, FINANCE AND BIG BUSINESS IN EUROPE AND USA.

After receiving the secret Bilderberg report at the conference, invitees have to explain how they will use it to establish politics in whatever field they have influence ».
« Excuse- me told the suddenly mad became journalist, could you repreat that once again ? »

Then he tried to speak about the meals and decorum of the meetings, not wanting to lose his job...

Claes: "IN BILDERBERG WE NEVER HAVE THE SAME PARTICIPANT SITTING NEXT TO US TWICE , to make exchange unevitable about point of views. It is about important questions". Sounds like 'speed dating'.

Listen here in Dutch the radio' interview radio ( point about Bilderberg begins at the first quarter of the interview) : http://download.streampower.be/vrt/podcast/Radio1_fefi_20100604.mp3

.Redacted by Vic Flame and roughly translated by Marek Tysis

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper July 01, 2010, 02:57:37 AM

I came across a series of films series : 13 Masonic Secrets

Has anyone else seen these series ?

13 Masonic Secrets Trailer . 13 Masonic Secrets is the highly anticipated new film exposing 13 Masonic Secrets, brought to you by HashemsFilms and Freedomtou Pictures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhs6KpFdHzQ

Part 1 of 13 You must obey the Ancient Laws of Egypt: Episode one sheds a little light on a mysterious relationship between Jordan Maxwell and 33rd degree freemason Manly P Hall as well as discusses Freemasonic system of citizenship and how it relates to the transformation of world citizenship to the Ancient Egyptian System. Desc: A. James.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bRnsbdCF5s

Part 2 of 13 The Temple of Isis: Episode two deals with the temple of Isis, her relationship with the statue of liberty, the parallels between the gods of ancient Egypt and America and touches on the pillars of Jachin and Boaz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKR80R17Ipg

Part 3 of 13 The Twin Pillars of Jachin & Boaz: This episode deals entirely with the pillars of Jachin and Boaz, their significance throughout history, their relationship to freemasonic and alchemical thought and practice in addition to the use of it as a portal of some sort...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AwOMd7jTxs

Part 4 of 13 This episode deals with the Passing of the Veil of Isis, Einstein's famous theory of E=MC2 and the use of Manipulation of Vibrations that occur in the different levels of Freemasonry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANDHrHC_DVw

Part 5 of 13 The checkered floors: This episode deals with the hidden meaning behind the symbolic Checkered Floors used in all Masonic Halls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO6IJYKUiFM

Part 6 of Anti-Matter, CERN and the world of Jinns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZZ5M-1k2rU

Part 7 of 13 The most perfect shape, the essence of God: This episode deals with the most perfect shape, the essence of God according to Freemasons, their most sacred tool and the Nexus, the hallway with all the doors .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvoUZMCrBjU

Part 8 of 13 This episode deals with the Merkaba, the light vehicle which takes ones consciousness to the Nexus and beyond.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6qJb6688zI

Part 9 thru 13 This episode deals with the blue Jinn, their nature and relationship to Masons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfozj2Gc3As

Part 10 thru 13 This episode deals with the Stonecutters, Ley Lines and Buildings designed on specific energy points for specific purposes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShlV5y2Ew_s

Part 11 -12 - 13
have not been upped yet .

New Link :

13 Masonic Secrets 1 of 13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68OIuFPssxA
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper July 05, 2010, 12:24:11 AM
(http://muvtor.btk.ppke.hu/romaimuveszet/turc_274.jpg)

The apotheosis of Antoninus Pius and his wife Faustina, Rome 2nd century, note the two gods at bottom and their son in middle.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper July 05, 2010, 12:36:15 AM
(http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rogerulrich/antpiusbase/antpius_base0007_72.jpg)

From shield on bottom right of original pic.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper July 05, 2010, 02:28:38 AM
(http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rogerulrich/antpiusbase/antpius_base0001_72.jpg)
Side view of same monument at Vatican.

The Romans received their religion from the Greeks and the Italian branch called Etruscan. Young nobles were iniciated into the Equestrian Order of Patricians in a ceremony held in tents pitched outside cities in a nocturnal ritual. Greeks called this the 'higher Eleusian Mystery.'
From 'Cutting through' vol 2
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper July 05, 2010, 02:36:22 AM
(http://www.ualberta.ca/~cmmiller/vacation/Rome_Ostia/vatcn3.jpg)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper July 05, 2010, 09:48:59 AM
THE Gods OF EGYPT

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/stairway_heaven/images/stairw7.gif)



        1. Ptah
        2. Ra-Amen
        3. Thoth
        4. Seker
        5. Osiris
        6. Isis with Horus
        7. Nephtys
        8. Hathor

The Gods with their attributes:

         9. Ra/Falcon
        10. Horus/Falcon
        11. Seth/Sinai Ass
        12. Thoth/Ibis
        13. Hathor/Cow

 
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/stairway_heaven/stairway03.htm

: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper July 14, 2010, 09:48:52 AM
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f302/SassBlack/Image008-1.jpg)

Please see above a picture, very rare cause it be illegal to photo this shit, it's the tomb of lord Hundson in westminster abbey, note : the top of obelisk on inside reaches a little higher and is just out of range in pic, the outside one reaches twice as high, these two are matched on right side of tomb also but those are completely out of shot.


: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: roscoe July 18, 2010, 02:10:17 AM
Quote roscoe (from page one)


The Ritual for the 17th Degree for Scottish Rite masonry speaks of the worship of Abaddon.

"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

Revelation 9:11

(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/pictures/Pleiades.jpg)

"Sing praises to the Lord which dwelleth in Zion"

Psalm 9:11

The star Alcyone was EXACTLY due west from Washington DC at the precise moment the transponder of American airlines Flight 11 was turned off (ie the instance the hijackings commenced). The star Sirius was EXACTLY due south of New York City at an angle of 33° at this precise moment. This mutual event was repeated at the commencement of the Light Ceremony of 11th March 2002.

In 1927 and 1928 the Jehovah's Witnesses said in their publication then called Zion's Watchtower that God resided in the Star Alcyone, the central star of the Pleiades.

[Interesting]

Operation Amalgam Virgo. NUMBER 1

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/AmalgamVirgoJun1-2-2001.jpg)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper July 19, 2010, 04:47:53 PM
Quote TheCaliKid (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=112481.msg703715#msg703715)

Conversely, speaking of Masonry and racism - why are Neo Nazi's and Klan members gathered together in an old IOOF (Independent Order of Odd Fellows) meeting hall!?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/south_carolina_2006.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/IOOF2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/sc5.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/OddFellowMatchsafe2-2.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/sc4.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/InvertedRedPentagram/Twomars3.jpg)


Is that a space suit the seated guy at front is wearing in above pic?
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Orwells1984 July 23, 2010, 05:26:19 PM
Alot of suspicion but not enough evidence. That is what I got from this thread. Most people suspect things without researching anything themselves. Freemasonry is the Mystery Religions of Antiquity. The Mystery Religions were a way to transmutate Man into Human through a series of ritual degrees that impose ideas upon the initiate. Scottish Rite Freemasonry is not York Rite. As said before in a previous post Scottish Rite freemasonry was created by the Knights Templar after they fled persecution from the King of France and the Pope. They, arriving on the shores of Scotland to help the likes of Robert the Bruce, and William Wallace defeat the English. Upon the victory they achieved, they created The Ancient and Accepted Rite of Scottish Freemasonry. But what knowledge did these Templars discover?

The Templars during the crusade discovered the Cabbalah. The process in which man travels the spheres that link the chakra's of the soul in order to achieve God like statis. This power is real. Discovery of this knowledge in a time when most Europeans bathed maybe once a week did in fact make some men seem to be Gods in their understanding and practice of the keys of Freemasonry.

The Cabbalah was a creation of Aten worshipers who then were renamed Jewish after the defeat of their first King Ahkenaton. Moses being the High Priest of Pharaoh Akhenaten was one of the first to understand the ideas and practices of what we now call Freemasonry. Creating the First Monotheistic Religion of Aten or Ra worship. The Sun or Risen Sun. Upon the death of Akhenaten all memory was erased of the One god worship and his followers were banished. These people became the Jewish IsRaElittes that fled into the Sinai desert and into Canaan. Nebuchadnezzar II then enslaved the rebel Assyrian proxy client Israel. Enslaving the people and enlisting their knowledge into the religion of Babylon at that time. This is where the Cabbalah gained most of its knowledge.

Thus is why Freemasonry is claimed to be the Mystery Religion of Egypt, Greece and Babylon.

The most notable symbol of Freemasonry is the Square and Compass with a "G" in the center. Although the debate is still ongoing about the explaination and meaning of this symbol the answer is quite simple. The Square pointing up represents the Male. The Compass pointing downwards represents the Female. The "G" in the center represents "Generational Reproduction". Its Sex worship. This is told to you in many movies including "The Da Vinci Code" at the start of the film a little girl peers through a window to witness her Grandfather engaged in a form of Sex Magic and Worship. Thus what the Ancient Mysteries are telling you is that Sex and Reproduction is the ultimate form of worship for the creator or Grand Architect of the Universe.

Freemasonry is not the same for a 3rd degree as it would be for a 18th degree and not the same for a 33 degree. During the process of learning the person is on a sort of journey. Both in Mind and Soul. Lower degrees are taught that Masonry is a brotherhood to help build a society of Freethinking men that believe in a God. Towards the middle degrees the initiate is led and taught that all current Mainstream Religions are nothing but Myth and Allegory to teach society (the children they are) Morals and obedience. This breeds a sense of Atheistic values and rebellious nature inside man is brought to the forefront. Towards the higher degree at least in Scottish Rite Freemasonry 30-33 degrees are taught that there is a Living Breathing God that rules earth and his name is Lucifer. Lucifer is not Satan but he is the one true god and Addonay or Yesheva or basically the God of Abrahamic Religions is in fact Satan. What is black is white and white is black.

To the higher degrees Lucifer sets man free from the slavery and constraint of God. Its Lucifer that loves you, and God that hates. Its the ultimate in Double Think. Most masons find this information hard to believe and in fact become very infuriated at the very mention of this information. But its true.
Now from Masonic Authors:

"When The Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply this energy."
page 48, Lost Keys of Freemasonry -Manley Palmer Hall

"I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifer, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as as it may please him, and in return Lucifer promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed..... { Invocant signs pact with his own blood } "
page CIV, Secret Teachings of all Ages -Manley Palmer Hall

    "Lucifer represents..Life..Thought..Progress..Civilization.. Liberty..Independence..Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior."
   
 "It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God."
   
"The Celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving beneficent Deity...but in     antiquity and reality Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is divine and terrestial Light, 'the Holy Ghost' and "Satan' at one and the same time."
-Sister Helena Petrovna Blavatsky 32° Ancient and Accepted Primitive Rite Grand Orient of France, The Secret Doctrine

    "If the buckler of Satan did not stay the flight of Michael's lance, the power of the Archangel would be lost in the void, or would necessarily display and manifest itself by an infinite destruction, directed from above to below.

    "And if the foot of Michael did not arrest Satan in his ascent, Satan would go to dethrone God, or to lose himself in the abysses of height.

    "Satan is then necessary to Michael, as the pedestal to the statue; and Michael to Satan, as the brake to the locomotive.

    "In analogical and universal dynamics we rest only on that which resists.

    "Wherefore, as we have said before, the Universe is balanced by two forces, which maintain it in equilibrium; and the force which attracts, and that which repels. This is the equilibrium of the mountain of gold, which the Gods on one side, and the Demons on the other, hold tied by the symbolic Serpent of India; and its scientific reality is demonstrated by the phenomena of Polarity, and by the universal law of Sympathies and Antipathies...."
-Albert Pike Legendas XIX° ~ XXX°

    'That which we must say to the crowd is -- We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition.

    'To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees -- The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the of purity of the Luciferian doctrine.

    'If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perfidy, and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him?

    'Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two Gods: darkness being necessary to light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive.

    'In analogical and universal dynamics one can only lean on that which will resist. Thus the universe is balanced by two forces which maintain its equilibrium: the force of attraction and that of repulsion. These two forces exist in physics, philosophy and religion. And the scientific reality of the divine dualism is demonstrated by the phenomena of polarity and by the universal law of sympathies and antipathies. That is why the intelligent disciples of Zoroaster, as well as, after them, the Gnostics, the Manicheans and the Templars have admitted, as the only logical metaphysical conception, the system of the two divine principles fighting eternally, and one cannot believe the one inferior in power to the other.

    'Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.'"
-Albert Pike Instructions to World Supreme Councils
Aug. 14, 1889

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the son of the morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with it's splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"
- Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effects of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
- Sovereign Grand Commander Albert Pike 33° Letter to Italian Grand Master Guiseppie Mazzini 33° 15 August 1871 Archives British Museum, London. Now since removed and hidden for obvious reasons.

Ware, nor of good nor ill, what aim hath act?
Without its climax, death, what savour hath
Life? an impeccable machine, exact
He paces an inane and pointless path
To glut brute appetites, his sole content
How tedious were he fit to comprehend
Himself! More, this our noble element
Of fire in nature, love in spirit, unkenned
Life hath no spring, no axle, and no end.

His body a blood-ruby radiant
With noble passion, sun-souled Lucifer
Swept through the dawn colossal, swift aslant
On Eden's imbecile perimeter.
He blessed nonentity with every curse
And spiced with sorrow the dull soul of sense,
Breath life into the sterile universe,
With Love and Knowledge drove out innocence
The Key of Joy is disobedience.                         
-'The Beast 666' Illustrious Aleister Crowley 33° Hymn to Lucifer



: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Viper July 23, 2010, 05:32:56 PM
Very much appreciate your work Orwells1984, i'm an Alan Watt student myself, i'm very much interested in your posts.
I have no doubts myself about the starry legion.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Viper July 23, 2010, 05:37:17 PM
"Ancient philosophers were priests. The Greeks wrote copiously on this subject. Plato, Pythagrus, the historian Herodotus and others each spent between 20-30 years being educated and iniciated into the "mysteries". Beginning in Egypt, the iniciate went on to Phoenicia, Jerusalem, Tibet and finally India."
Alan Watt
: tHIS IS BS
: Viper July 24, 2010, 07:33:34 AM
       Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?

HAHA who cHNAGED THE TITLE?

duh!!!!!


iS IT iS IT?

THIS TOPIC USED TO BE 'Freemasonry IS a Criminal Organisation"

nOW SOME GATEKEEPER MOD HAS CHANGED IT.

yESTERDAT I BELIEVE.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation? is it is it?
: Viper July 24, 2010, 07:51:59 AM
Alot of suspicion but not enough evidence.


Let's make a new one Orwell this one has been castrated.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation? Let's C
: Viper July 24, 2010, 08:12:08 AM
Sorry folks, please let me bitch one more sentence:
To whoever done this, don't you realize that you're only giving us more fuel to take it up a notch, flac when you're above the target anyone? Be prepared to meet the wrath of the Real Truth, brought to us by the Lord God, and then hidden from us by the likes of you.
: Re: tHIS IS BS
: Okinawa July 24, 2010, 08:30:38 AM
       Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?

HAHA who cHNAGED THE TITLE?

duh!!!!!


iS IT iS IT?

THIS TOPIC USED TO BE 'Freemasonry IS a Criminal Organisation"

nOW SOME GATEKEEPER MOD HAS CHANGED IT.

Yeah...What's up with the changes?

Some important topics have had their titles altered, others buried ...
: Re: tHIS IS BS
: Viper July 24, 2010, 08:32:24 AM
Yeah...What's up with the changes?

Some important topics have had their titles altered
, others buried ...

Do you mean in general, like harmless Sanese, or something recent, more sinister?
: Re: tHIS IS BS
: Okinawa July 24, 2010, 08:39:54 AM
Do you mean in general, like harmless Sanese, or something recent, more sinister?

Well, not sure about sinister. I respect the dedication of our moderators.

A topic I've been studying, The Learned Elders of Zion in Japan, was once stickied, then unstickied, title changed, and now its here http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=109781.0 (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=109781.0).
: Does Freemasonry exist?
: Viper July 24, 2010, 08:44:22 AM
More masonic covering up, i'm interested in sinister changes that divert folks from discovering the truth.
I believe i heard the learned elders thing was mostly true but have yet to study it myself, shame we got a masonic mole on-board, as evidenced by the thread re-name here.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Okinawa July 24, 2010, 08:58:45 AM
Magick, Mysticism, and Masonry Trailer - by Doc Marquis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etZcta3iusg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etZcta3iusg)

Front Men of the Illuminati - by Doc Marquis - DVD Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhAfS5n46a4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhAfS5n46a4&feature=related)
The full feature includes some info on the Elders of Zion.

And, in the near future The Illuminati Protocols of Zion http://www.cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=2227 (http://www.cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=2227) from Cutting Edge Ministries http://www.cuttingedge.org/ (http://www.cuttingedge.org/)
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation? Hmmm
: Viper July 24, 2010, 09:00:37 AM
Ah, it was the protocols i had heard of, well done man, and thanks very much.
: Re: tHIS IS BS
: Tokiem July 24, 2010, 09:24:47 AM
       Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?

HAHA who cHNAGED THE TITLE?

duh!!!!!


iS IT iS IT?

THIS TOPIC USED TO BE 'Freemasonry IS a Criminal Organisation"

nOW SOME GATEKEEPER MOD HAS CHANGED IT.

yESTERDAT I BELIEVE.

"It all depends on what the meaning of Is, Is" quote Bill Clinton

: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: citizenx July 24, 2010, 11:17:37 AM
The whole organization is not illegal.

At the lower levels it is fairly innocuous, unless of course you are a religious fundamentalist.

So, if that is the title, the point is fairly moot.

Is it an organization that is infiltrated and co-opted at the highest level by some very corrupt criminal types?

Yes, but that is different thing entirely.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Viper July 24, 2010, 11:20:13 AM
"Is it an organization that is infiltrated and co-opted at the highest level by some very corrupt criminal types"

We need you Obi Wan, you're our only hope.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: citizenx July 24, 2010, 06:15:01 PM
Viper,

After a good night's sleep, I have decided the best response to that (I assume you are being facetious once again) is:

꺼 치 다!

(Babel fish that.)
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Dig July 24, 2010, 08:56:24 PM
The whole organization is not illegal.

At the lower levels it is fairly innocuous, unless of course you are a religious fundamentalist.

So, if that is the title, the point is fairly moot.

Is it an organization that is infiltrated and co-opted at the highest level by some very corrupt criminal types?

Yes, but that is different thing entirely.

Over 90% of freemasons are members for generally pretty cool reasons (I have never met a freemason I did not like-granted I have not met that many). But like pretty much every secret society, as mentioned...co-opted.  I recommend everyone listen to mystery babylon series by Bill Cooper and read Pentagon Aliens by William Lyne for more infiormation.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Dok July 24, 2010, 09:00:38 PM
Over 90% of freemasons are members for generally pretty cool reasons (I have never met a freemason I did not like-granted I have not met that many). But like pretty much every secret society, as mentioned...co-opted.  I recommend everyone listen to mystery babylon series by Bill Cooper and read Pentagon Aliens by William Lyne for more infiormation.


Transcripts of William Cooper's Mystery Babylon Series

William Coopers definitive work on Mystery Babylon and the Mystery Schools.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/32941353/Transcripts-of-William-Cooper-s-Mystery-Babylon-Series

LYNE, William - Pentagon Aliens

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6990053/LYNE-William-Pentagon-Aliens
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Viper July 28, 2010, 11:31:39 PM

꺼 치 다!

(Babel fish that.)
I had no idea that was Korean,  ;D tomorrow back in the good ol' US of A then?
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: citizenx July 29, 2010, 12:52:47 AM
Aug. 1

(Lugnasad, for those of us of the Celtic persuasion.)
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: Viper August 05, 2010, 01:45:41 PM
(http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rogerulrich/antpiusbase/antpius_base0007_72.jpg)

From shield on bottom right of original pic.

In the founding myth of Rome, the twin brothers, Romulus and Remus are suckled in infancy by a she-wolf. Later, Romulus kills Remus in a fight and goes on to found Rome.
Cutting through vol. 3
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: jofortruth August 05, 2010, 01:52:06 PM
I bet you find that many are in intelligence because they know these people can keep secrets that they are held to by being a member of Freemasonry.



: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Viper August 05, 2010, 01:55:33 PM
I bet you find that many are in intelligence because they know these people can keep secrets that they are held to by being a member of Freemasonry.

Very interesting Jo, this secret keeping is discussed in the fourth degree (secret master).
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: jofortruth August 05, 2010, 02:05:26 PM
Very interesting Jo, this secret keeping is discussed in the fourth degree (secret master).

And isn't there a level they get to that if they expose the secrets their life is threatened?
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Viper August 05, 2010, 02:14:57 PM
And isn't there a level they get to that if they expose the secrets their life is threatened?

I believe these things may be spoken of upon entering the craft as an apprentice (level one).
Basically, in a way masons sell their souls when entering.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: jofortruth August 05, 2010, 02:22:50 PM
I believe these things may be spoken of upon entering the craft as an apprentice (level one).
Basically, in a way masons sell their souls when entering.


Sounds like politicians (selling their souls when entering), many of whom are Masons!

How is it so easy for people who call themselves leaders to sell themselves? How is that leadership? Sounds more like being a follower to me. The secrecy is the big issue with me. Upright people have nothing to hide; deceptive people do.  ::)
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Viper August 05, 2010, 02:24:57 PM
..Sounds more like being a follower to me.  ::)

Yes, they follow the stars.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: jofortruth August 05, 2010, 02:26:09 PM
Yes, they follow the stars.

As in Astrology, Numerology, Paganism, etc?


The low levels are so ignorant of their organization, from what I've assessed. I have heard people say "it's just a social group". That tells me they are clueless, or just believe the lies they're told.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Viper August 05, 2010, 02:27:18 PM
As in Astrology, Paganism, etc?

Astrology /Geometry /Numerology
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: jofortruth August 05, 2010, 02:28:49 PM
Astrology /Geometry /Numerology


So, why all the secrecy? What are they hiding? Their occultic beliefs?
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Viper August 05, 2010, 02:35:41 PM

So, why all the secrecy? What are they hiding? Their occultic beliefs?

They're hiding OUR beliefs, but these things can't be discussed in a two-way conversation, even though i got great respect for ya, these topics need their own threads, to tackle each aspect one by one.
I'm putting out much in threads myself and will continue to do so, the number thirteen has yet to be covered for example, but one must have pre-liminary info first.
Be patient dear Jo, what is being covered ain't gonna please you anyways.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: jofortruth August 05, 2010, 02:56:01 PM
They're hiding OUR beliefs, but these things can't be discussed in a two-way conversation, even though i got great respect for ya, these topics need their own threads, to tackle each aspect one by one.
I'm putting out much in threads myself and will continue to do so, the number thirteen has yet to be covered for example, but one must have pre-liminary info first.
Be patient dear Jo, what is being covered ain't gonna please you anyways.

And the mystery continues! And you're right, I'm not pleased by deception  of any kind!
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Viper August 05, 2010, 02:58:25 PM
Keep your I on this section. :)

Discussions concerning religious texts
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=393.0
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: jofortruth August 05, 2010, 03:00:43 PM
Keep your I on this section. :)


EYE will!   ;)
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: rustygunn September 24, 2010, 05:46:43 AM
Here is a treasure trove of information on secret societies.  All free to download books.

Many of these historical documents have been hidden away due to the fear that they would be destroyed by the planners. The Internet has changed this situation for the better. Important documents, long held secret, are now available on the web and no one can destroy them. Once on the web, they travel far and wide Every time a file is downloaded it becomes a whole new copy. There will be no way to make it vanish. Before long there will be millions of copies of each book and/or document readily available for whoever is interested in "real" history and who cares about the future of generations to come. We can only hope that such easy dispersion of the truth will help citizens understand what has taken place without their knowledge or consent. An understanding which will enable them to take action to reverse the present course of history.
 
http://www.americandeception.com/index.php?page=usercat&catid=11
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: SongBird October 13, 2010, 02:04:08 AM
Keep your I on this section. :)
Discussions concerning religious texts
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=393.0
I like this one :
Genuine philosophy discussions
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=448.0


Current topic : Astrology, the stars and the curious places they're found.

.. For whereas it was the expectation of many who wished not well unto our Sion, that, upon the setting of that bright Occidental Star, Queen Elizabeth, of most happy memory, some thick and palpable clouds of darkness would so have overshadowed this land ...
Preface to the 1611 King James Authorized Version Bible
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Joe Stirling October 16, 2010, 06:32:30 AM
I would love to know why Alex is so against the Masons. What proof is there that they do anything wrong.

I know from listening to the show for about 2 years now AJ doesn't like them and neither does his guests.

Is it a religious reason or is there proof of any wrong doings.

Would be interested in hearing more about this very much

Cory

I thoroughly recommend you read "Wanted... Puppet Masons". The real reason Mason Cory posted this is because of our original post "Freemasonry is a criminal organisation". You are a sad drone Cory and nothing will stop you from being a Puppet or the many names you use to defend this human virus of freemasonry.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: SongBird October 16, 2010, 07:48:24 AM
The real reason Mason Cory posted this is because of our original post "Freemasonry is a criminal organisation"...
Yeah someone pussified the title, big shame, no worries though.
I would de-sticky this embarrassment though.
: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: lord edward coke October 16, 2010, 04:40:01 PM
The United States Government was not founded upon Christianity. (See Treaty of Tripoli 8 Stat 154. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli))

 
Article 11, reads:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Any takers for guessing what it was actually founded upon?

Ah ? i don't know, could it be      LUCIFER!!!
A History of the War between English and French Freemasonry By John Daniel


3rd edition 30 chapters, 20 appendices, notes, bibliography, index, 1300 pages


Table of Contents Introduction: What is Freemasonry? Mason is short for Freemason. Freemason is short for “free and accepted Mason,” a name acquired as a result of Freemasonry’s successful fight for political and religious freedoms; to conceal Freemasonry’s involvement in fomenting revolutions, secular history refers to Freemasons as “freemen”; Freemasonry is not Christianity, but a universal religion of salvation by works without Christ;


in Freemasonry, Solomon’s Temple secretly represents the Tower of Babel; thus, Freemasonry is both anti-Semitic and anti-Christian; a discussion of the bitter conflict between English (pantheistic) Freemasonry and French (atheistic) Freemasonry; sub-Masonic lodges for both male and female membership; degrees of initiation and knowledge; Masonry and conspiracy; Masonic propaganda; how Christians are deceived.


Chapter 1: The Conflict: Priory of Sion versus Knights Templar. Bloodline of Antichrist; historic trail of Holy Grail sect that teaches Mary Magdalene married Jesus and bore “holy” children by him; Merovingian kings of Europe claim to be of this “holy” bloodline; ancient parchments reveal Merovingian plan of establishing a universal throne at Jerusalem by this counterfeit line of David; Mystery Babylon enters Catholic Church (496 A.D.) through Merovee, founder of the Merovingian dynasty; Merovingians found Priory of Sion (1090) and begin Crusades (1099);


Sion founds Knights Templar (1118) to protect Merovingian throne at Jerusalem; Templars rebel; 200-year conflict between Sion and Templars; Sion and Merovingian king of France plot destruction of Templars (1307-1314); Templars flee to Scotland, found Templar Masonry. Templars vow to destroy Merovingian throne.


Chapter 2: English Freemasonry and Revolution. A Scottish Templar King for England; Templar Freemasonry enters London with James Stuart I (1603); Grand Masters of Sion move from France to London to plot against Stuart dynasty; Sion founds Rosicrucian Freemasonry in opposition to Templar Freemasonry; Sion foments two Masonic revolutions to dethrone the Stuarts (1649 and 1688); Stuarts and Templar Freemasonry exiled to France; English Freemasonry unified, de-Christianized, and politicized (1717).


Chapter 3: The Religious Wars of France. Sion’s “Great Plan” for word government is to create a Holy Grail bloodline to rule the world; during latter half of 16th century, Huguenots foil Sion’s “Great Plan”; Sion against Bourbon dynasty; Bourbon king weds Merovingian princess, subdues contenders to French throne; Holy Grail blood flows through veins of Bourbon dynasty; Edict of Nantes (1598), toleration and flexibility; revocation of the Edict of Nantes (1685); Voltaire, Sion and Freemasonry.


Chapter 4: From England to France. After the 1688 revolution, English Freemasonry unites under the name Grand Lodge (1717) and claims motherhood to all Freemasonry; Grand Lodge controls new Hanoverian constitutional monarchy; Stuarts and Templar Freemasonry exiled to France (1717); English Freemasonry plants Lodges on Continent, infiltrates Paris Templar Lodge, recertifies it as Grand Lodge (1743); Templar Freemasonry of Paris founds Scottish Rite (1748) with higher degrees patterned after the Jewish Cabala; Scottish Rite, known as Jewish Rite, begins plot against French throne in retaliation of Merovingian destruction of Templars in 1314; French Grand Lodge Masons, distressed by British control, found Grand Orient Freemasonry (1772); Priory of Sion creates Adam Weishaupt; Weishaupt founds Illuminati (1776) to infiltrate Grand Orient Freemasonry; Scottish Rite, French Grand Lodge, and French Grand Orient unite in revolution against French throne (1782-1785).


Chapter 5: Rejecting Christianity — Pagan Symbols of Freemasonry and the Illuminati. Illuminati symbols & allegories; esoteric meaning of square and compass; Illuminati holiday (May Day) commemorates revolution; Adam Weishaupt's meaning of pyramid and All-Seeing Eye; Bible prophecy and All-Seeing Eye; a call to Christians to come out of Masonry.


Chapter 6: Music and Revolution. Physical effects of music; Masonic music used in France to promote revolution (1785); modern rock and roll used by English Freemasonry to promote revolution; Lucifer, god of evil music.


Chapter 7: The Jewish Connection. Latter half of 18th century, Gentile Freemason Gotthold Lessing and Jewish Freemason Moses Mendelssohn promote revolution through media; Jacob Frank’s assault on orthodox Judaism; Reform Judaism born (1800s); Reform Judaism makes pact with Grand Orient Freemasonry; Rothschild and English Freemasonry (1801); Templar Freemasonry raises Napoleon to power (1799); Sion and English Freemasonry oppose Napoleon; Rothschild finances Napoleon against monarchs and finances monarchs against Napoleon; French Grand Lodge and French Grand Orient both accept Scottish Rite degrees (1801); Scottish Rite, so-called Jewish Rite, is Synagogue of Satan of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9; according to Scripture, Scottish Rite is not controlled by Jews, but by Gentiles who claim to be Jews, but are not.


Chapter 8: The Jesuit Connection. Jesuit suppression of 1773 instigated by Masonry; Masonic infiltration of Catholic Church; Voltaire, Masonry, and anti-Catholicism (1726-1778); Masonic disinformation attracts Christians to Masonry, pits Protestants against Catholics, and discredits clergy; Pope John XXIII (1958) — a Masonic pope; after Vatican II (1962-1965) Jesuit generals join Freemasonry; South American Jesuits and Grand Orient Freemasonry cooperate in Liberation Theology; Masonic assassination of Pope John Paul I (1978); Freemasonry’s attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II (1981)


Chapter 9: Secular Education: A Masonic Blueprint. Masonic creation of Karl Marx (1844); educational legacy of Marx; Masonic public schools in America (1820); Freemasonry founds National Education Association (NEA) in 1857; Freemasonry, force behind creation of Department of Education and consolidation of Schools; Freemasonry founds National Council of Churches; God, androgynous/neutered; list of churches led by pastors without faith; Freemasonry’s plan to destroy Christianity in America through Masonic pastors; identical blueprint used against Church during French Masonic Revolution of 1789.


Chapter 10: Masonic Control of the Media. Adam Weishaupt’s control of media to propagate revolution (1780); proof of Freemasonry’s control of media before and after French Revolution; proof of Freemasonry’s control of media prior to every revolution; proof of Freemasonry’s control of media in America today; Freemason Voltaire’s ten steps to destroy Christianity in old France in the 18th century has been in effect in America since 1940.


Chapter 11: First War Between English and French Freemasonry. Templar Mason Napoleon Bonaparte attempts to spread republicanism across Europe (1804-1812); Sionist plot against Napoleon; wealth of British Masonry guarantees Napoleon’s fall; Congress of Vienna (1815), English Masonry’s plan to thwart the spread of republicanism; one-world government proposed by Congress of Vienna; Switzerland, English Masonry’s strongbox.


Chapter 12: French Freemasonry Tries, and Tries Again. French revolution of 1830; Freemasonry and the Italian Revolution (1834-1860); A Weishaupt-Mazzini connection? Joseph Mazzini, Italian revolutionary and founder of the Mafia, founds International Freemasonry (1871) to transport revolution worldwide; French Grand Orient Freemasonry develops concept of communism (1840s); French Communist Revolution of 1848; French Communist Revolution of 1871; France, a complete Masonic State.


Chapter 13: "The Morgan Affair" triggers the worldwide "Anti-Masonic Movement". Royal Arch Mason, Capt. William Morgan accepted Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, renounced Masonry, then planned to publish a book revealing the diabolical oaths and symbols of Masonry and the Illuminati. To silence Morgan, 69 Masons planned his abduction and subsequent murder on Sept. 11, 1826. Using the original court transcripts of witnesses to the abduction, as well as the deathbed confession of one of the murderers, John Daniel, author of Scarlet and the Beast, has coordinated these facts into a story that has been, and continues to be kept out of our history books. The Masonic murder of Morgan so affected the civilized world that a worldwide "Anti-Masonic Movement" forced European and South American Masonry to speed up its timetable of planned revolutions to 1848. Moreover, our own Civil War (1861-1865) was directly linked to "The Morgan Affair," as it subsequently became known.


Chapter 14: "American Masonic Civil War". The American Civil War was directly linked to the Masonic murder of Capt. William Morgan and the "Anti-Masonic Movement" it spawned. Freemasonry triggered the War for the express purpose of rebuilding its membership. Freemasonry writes, "By the time Masonry had recovered from its (Anti-Masonic) ordeal of persecution, the dark clouds of Civil War hung like a pall over the land.... Some day...the tale will be told of what Masonry did in those dark years — how it passed through picket lines, eluded sentinels, softened the lot of the prisoner of war, and planted the acacia upon the graves of friend and foe alike" [but only if friend and foe were Masons]. In this chapter you will read of the treasonous activity between enemies, so long as they gave the correct handshake, showed the Masonic stress signal, or verbalized the Masonic stress signal. Following are a few subtitles to this chapter: Central Banking forced on Americans during the Civil War Northern Jurisdiction of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, a Clandestine British Jurisdiction, founded during the Civil War British Masonic Banks and the Northern Jurisdiction of Freemasonry Masonic Assassination of Abraham Lincoln Prosecution of Civil War Criminals Masonic war criminals were pardoned if they gave the Masonic handshake to Pres. Andrew Johnson, himself a Freemason. You will see a photo of that handshake given by Pres. Johnson as he pardons a multitude of Masons, including 33O Albert Pike. During and after the Civil War, Freemasonry grew rapidly, to a count much higher than the count prior to the Anti-Masonic Movement.


Chapter 15: Lucifer: God of Freemasonry. Luciferian Rite for select few in Supreme Council; 33rd degree Freemason Albert Pike’s Luciferian Doctrine (1889); Biblical account of Lucifer’s fall; Faith versus Reason; Palladianism — Super Luciferian Rite; Luciferianism becomes universal doctrine of Masonry; New Age Movement is Luciferian Masonry of today.


Chapter 16: Freemasonry and the New Age Movement. Atheists, spiritists, and Luciferians unite at great Masonic Congress in Paris (1889); sub-Masonic lodges of the New Age; building the New Age Movement; 33rd degree Mason Aleister Crowley, head of two sub-Masonic New Age lodges that to this day perform satanic ritual murders, and push illegal drugs.


Chapter 17: New Age Movement unites English and French Freemasonry. English Freemasonry founds Quatuor Coronati Lodge of Masonic Research (1886); Quatuor Coronati organizes Order of Golden Dawn (1887); Golden Dawn uses swastika as its symbol and practices free sex under influence of drugs; Quatuor Coronati organizes Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) in 1902; OTO practices human sacrifice; Golden Dawn and OTO cooperate in creating drug/rock/sex counterculture of 1960s; OTO, mother of the New Age Movement, attempts to unite English, American, and French Freemasonry; Lucis (Lucifer) Trust of New York City, financier of the New Age Movement in America; list of prominent Americans who are members of Lucis Trust.


Chapter 18: The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion. History of the Protocols; birth of Zionism in Russia (1850s); revisionist authors confuse Sionism, a counterfeit Jewish secret society originating in France, with Zionism, a genuine Jewish political movement originating in Russia; a Sionist Masonic Lodge in France is source of Protocols (1884); Protocols, a Masonic plot against the Jews; Protocols of Sion linked to the Priory of Sion; historic and prophetic commentary on Protocols of Sion.


Chapter 19: "Freemasonry Topples the Ottoman Empire". Quoting 33O Freemason Henry C. Clausen: "Masons historically have been in the forefront of movements that fired the imagination of freedom-loving people throughout the world. Goethe, Mozart, Lafayette were enthusiastic Masons as was the great Hungarian hero of democracy Kossuth, who found temporary refuge in America.... Leaders of the Young Turkish Committee that in 1908 forced Sultan Hamid 'the Damned' to give their nation a parliamentary form of government, were Masons." The breakup of the Ottoman Empire is the main cause behind World War I. Following are subtitles in this chapter: Freemasonry's Role in the Breakup of the Ottoman Empire; Young Ottomans — Youth Corps of Muslim Freemasonry; Young Ottomans become Young Turks. To counter western Freemasonry, the Muslims founded the Muslim Brotherhood in 1928, using the same pyramid structure as western Freemasonry. Then The Muslim Brotherhood founded al-Qaeda to counter the youth corps of Western Freemasonry, the DeMolay. Muslim members of the 9/11 attack on America were one-and-all members of the Muslim Brotherhood, and its offshoot, al-Qaeda. The final subtitle to this chapter is Why "Politically Correct" America cannot win the War on Terror."


Chapter 20: The First Masonic World War. During latter half of 19th century, Supreme Council of Universal Freemasonry embarks on 60-year plan to trigger world war to cast down all thrones and altars at once; Phase one — divide world into two warring camps (monarchies against republics) through peace treaties negotiated by Freemasonry over a 50-year period; Phase Two — trigger world war by creating incident in Europe that would cause treaties to take effect; from 1908 to 1913, seven incidents instigated by Freemasonry fail; Sarajevo (1914), the Masonic assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand of the house of Habsburg, heir to the Austrian-Hungarian throne, triggers World War I; details of Masonic plot; excerpts from minutes of trial that convicted Masons who were involved in plot to assassinate Archduke Ferdinand.


Chapter 21: The Hungarian Masonic Revolution. Grand Lodge forms socialist government after World War I; Grand Orient considers Grand Lodge too bourgeois, demands government be run by proletariat and threatens counterrevolution; Hungary, weary of war and bloodshed, transfers power to Grand Orient communists; Soviet Republic of Hungary formed March 21, 1919; middle and upper class slaughtered by communists; Hungary ousts communists and outlaws Freemasonry; Hungarian Freemasonry calls on Masonic governments throughout world to come to its aid; United States demands Hungarian government lift ban on Masonry, or loan to boost economy will be denied/ Hungary refuses, loan miscarries.


Chapter 22: The Russian Masonic Revolution. Masonry’s plan to experiment with communism; Russia targeted in 1843 for the communist experiment; century of Masonic intrigue in Russia; Grand Orient Mason and Satanist Mikhail Bakunin (1814-1876) prepares for communist revolution in Russia; Grand Orient Mason Vladimir Lenin carries Bakunin’s banner; Rosicrucian Mason Joseph Stalin robs banks (1903-1905) to fund Lenin’s revolution; Grand Orient Mason Leon Trotsky at odds with Lenin; two Russian Revolutions of 1917, socialist in February and communist in October; communists slaughter 50 million middle and upper class Russians between 1919 and 1938; USSR, first Grand Orient Masonic State; English Masonry’s 59-year project to topple Soviet Union; English Mason Kim Philby defects to Russia (1962) with instruction to bring to power a communist who will dissolve the Soviet Union. USSR dissolved by Freemason Mikhail Gorbachev (1991).


Chapter 23: The Masonic Ritual Murder of Czar Nicholas II. Symbols and examples of Masonic ritual murders; assassination of Czar Nicholas II, a Masonic ritual murder.


Chapter 24: Competing for World Governance — The Round Table vs. the League of Nations. British race patriots; Mason Cecil Rhodes and Rhodes Scholarships (1902); Round Table (1909), an appendage of English Freemasonry; French Masonry founds League of Nations; Round Table founds in 1921 Council on foreign Relations (CFR) to infiltrate American politics; Round Table plots against League. CFR creates United Nations.


Chapter 25: English Freemasonry and the Hitler Project. Mystic fronts of English Freemasonry (Golden Dawn and OTO) create Hitler; Freemason Edward George Bulwer-Lytton (d. 1872), godfather of the Nazis; swastika, symbol of the Golden Dawn; Golden Dawn of Berlin founds Thule Society; English Freemasonry creates Holy Grail myth for Thule; anti-Semitism and Thule Society; Grail mysticism and Hitler; Hitler and anti-Zionism; English Freemasonry finances Hitler to destroy French Freemasonry.


Chapter 26: Hitler’s Destruction of French Freemasonry. Fascist Italy outlaws Freemasonry in 1925; Italian Freemasonry plots assassination of Mussolini; hundreds of Masons banished to Lipari Islands to starve to death; Nazi Germany outlaws Freemasonry in 1935; abolishes Freemasonry in Austria in 1938 and sends 90 percent of Masons to concentration camps — many are Jews; closes all Masonic Lodges in Czechoslovakia in 1939, imprisons their members, shoots their leaders — many of whom were Jews; closes all lodges in Greece and Holland in 1940 and arrests hundreds of top Masons; Masons suffer equal punishment in Belgium, Norway, Denmark, Poland, Romania, Yugoslavia, France, Spain, Japan, China, Philippines, Singapore, Malaya, Burma, Thailand, and Indo-China.


Chapter 27: Yalta, Post-War Masonry, and the United Nations. U.S.A. provokes Japan to attack Pearl Harbor; Hitler plans the “Final Solution” against the Jews; post-war Masonic politicians in Europe and Japan replace vanquished leaders; post-war governments reorganized under Masonic control; Freemasons negotiated with Stalin at Yalta; post-war restoration of German and Italian Lodges; protecting Masons at Nuremberg Trials; ex-Nazis hired to build Western intelligence; C.I.A.; Nazi International and South American drugs; English Freemasonry, the U.N., International Monetary Fund, and drugs.


Chapter 28: The Address of Scarlet. Modern Masonic revolutions foretold by Ezekiel; Mystery Babylon exits the Roman Church during the Inquisitions, enters Freemasonry; from Rome to London; Revelation 17-18 sheds light on English Freemasonry as Mystery Babylon; oaths identify Mystery Babylon as Masonic; Revelation 18:23b exposes English Freemasonry’s drug trafficking; London sits on seven mountains (7-nation Trilateral Commission); Jeremiah describes London as modern Babylon; American Freemasonry has named Queen Elizabeth II “Queen of Babylon.”


Chapter 29: In Search of the Beast Empire. The Beast empire will be born of Templar French Freemasonry; French Freemasonry places ten crowns on head of Beast; one of the ten crowns, or all ten could be Revived Rome; Germany as Revived Rome; Russia as Revived Rome; France as Revived Rome; the U.N. as Revived Rome; the United States of Europe as Revived Rome; the ultimate test for identifying Revived Rome is found in the numbers 666 printed (in Roman numerals according to the Greek text) on the national emblem of the Beast nation.


Chapter 30: Headquarters of the Beast Empire. Revived Rome must have the same 13 characteristics of ancient Rome. Ancient Rome: (1) was the melting-pot of the world; (2) was a democracy based on a two-party system [Optimates and Populares]; (3) had a divided balance of power [Roman Tribune and his Senate]; (4) was based on specific laws [Rome’s 12 Tables]; (5) protected the rights of its citizens; (6) had a sordid history of slavery; (7) was capitalistic; (8) practiced abortion as a means of population control; (9) loved R-rated entertainment [history of Pompeii]: (10) had a welfare program funded by taxes; (11) had a thriving business in Lawsuits; (12) watched sports as a pastime; and (13) had as its national emblem a single-headed flying eagle pointing west. Obviously, revived Rome is the United States of America. As further proof, in Daniel 7:8 the prophet’s vision of the Beast Empire is identical to the upper half of the national emblem of the United States of America. Likewise, in Revelation 13:16-18 the apostle John’s vision of the Mark of the Beast is found on the lower half of the national emblem of the USA.


Titles of Appendices 1. Masonic Revolutions in Spanish and Portuguese-Speaking Nations 2. Dossiers on a Few Conspiracy Authors 3. President Bill Clinton 4. Land for Peace (reference to Israel) prophesied in the Bible 5. The Cabala 6. History of the Prophet Mohammed 7. Shriners and their oath to Allah, God of Muslims 8. Masonic Oaths for the first three degrees 9. Instructions for Human Sacrifices in Masonic OTO Lodges 10. Luciferian Interpretation of Scottish Rite Masonic Degrees 11. Petition for Withdrawal from the Lodge and Renunciation of Masonic Oaths 12. Photos confirming the Masonic Murder of John F. Kennedy 13. Masonic U.S. Presidents — listed by name and date 14. Masonic U.S. Supreme Court Justices — listed by name and date 15. National Emblem of USA prophesied in the Bible 16. Masonic Agenda for the Church in America 17. Protestant Churches that Have Denounced Freemasonry 18. Mormon roots founded in Freemasonry 19. The "Rapture" — Why the word is controversial 20. King James Bible versus Modern Translations


http://www.scribd.com/doc/12946989/2-Faces-Freemasonry-John-Daniel-00
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: lord edward coke October 16, 2010, 05:04:32 PM
http://www.scarletandthebeast.com/

 John Daniel
Leaves no cornerstone unturned in his three vol. expose on the floundering freemasons who forged the constitutional
chains upon the free people.

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: phosphene October 16, 2010, 06:01:27 PM
Ah ? i don't know, could it be      LUCIFER!!!
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: Re: Freemasonry is a Criminal Organisation
: lord edward coke October 18, 2010, 09:32:04 PM
(http://redstick.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/churchlady.jpg)
THATS THE TICKET!!! HAHA!
1626
NEW ATLANTIS
by Francis Bacon
 almost complete.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Okinawa November 06, 2010, 04:45:22 PM
How Zionists Divide and Conquer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJjSzXkm55o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJjSzXkm55o)
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: SongBird November 07, 2010, 02:43:45 AM
Is it criminal, well obviously not cause it ain't illegal, umm..., is it healthy? That's another question.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: jofortruth November 22, 2010, 10:19:59 AM
A friend of mine told me that his father and father-in-law were both high level masons. He calls it a cult that swears blood oaths and very secretive. At high levels it dabbles in the occult. He finally got his dad to see that and he quit attending.

This is yet another group many get sucked into through their careers (because everyone else is doing it mentality). I say it's time for people to start thinking for themselves and stop following the crowd. Usually the HERD is wrong!



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: jofortruth November 24, 2010, 05:19:31 PM
I would love to know why Alex is so against the Masons. What proof is there that they do anything wrong.

I know from listening to the show for about 2 years now AJ doesn't like them and neither does his guests.

Is it a religious reason or is there proof of any wrong doings.

Would be interested in hearing more about this very much

Cory


Read the book "What you need to know about Masons"   by Ed Decker and you will see what is wrong with Masonry! It's a quick read and one of the best to wake people up!

Most of the people who join thinking it's just a social club, are rudely awaken when they find out what it's really all about! There is nothing Christian about this group. There is nothing Christian about making newbies swear an oath to never tell their secrets, even before they learn what those secrets are. Anyone submitting to something like this blindly is a fool, IMO.


See this Chart:
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=5142413




: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: cover fire hero November 28, 2010, 03:25:57 AM
The Illuminati are a branch of Freemasonry. They spread into the United States after they were exposed by John Robison, a fellow freemason, after they tried to recruit him into what they call The Order.

Here's some excerpts from the Illuminati's doctrines:

"The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in any place in its own name, but always covered by another name, and another occupation. None is better than the three lower degrees of Free Masonry; the public is accustomed to it, expects little from it, and therefore takes little notice of it. Next to this, the form of a learned or literary society is best suited to our purpose, and had Free Masonry not existed, this cover would have been employed; and it may be much more than a cover, it may be a powerful engine in our hands. By establishing reading societies, and subscription libraries, and taking these under our direction, and supplying them through our labours, we may turn the public mind which way we will." - Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Illuminati
 
"to perpetual SILENCE and unshakable loyalty and submission to the Order, in the persons of my superiors; here making a faithful and complete surrender of my private judgement, my own will, and every narrow-minded employment of my own power and influence. I pledge myself to account the good of the Order as my own and am ready to serve it with my fortune, my honor, and my blood...The friends and enemies of the Order shall be my friends and enemies; and with respect to both I will conduct myself as directed by the Order...(and) devote myself to its increase and promotion, and therein to employ ALL my ability...Without secret reservations."
 
<a href="http://www.bilderberg.org/proofs.doc">Word Document for printing</a>

Also see,

<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/200161/1798-Abbe-Barruel-History-of-Jacobism-VOL-1-OCR-by-MatRoX">Discourse for the Mysteries. Part I. The Antischristian Conspiracy</a> and <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/3885063/Code-of-the-Illuminati">Code of the Illuminati</a> by Abbe Barruel

You'll see that part of the plan of illumination involves "establishing a universal regime over the entire world" and "Princes and Nations shall disappear from the face of the Earth ... and this Revolution shall be the work of Secret Societies." 
 
Here's part of a letter written by George Washington to Reverend Snyder confirming that they spread into the U.S. and intend to separate the people from the government.

"It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of separation). That individuals may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the democratic societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a separation of the People from their government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

Another good book on the subject was written in 1828 by Henry Dana Ward called <a href="http://d.scribd.com/docs/bhrqvtthvq48qmai9p3.pdf">Freemasonry - Its Pretensions</a>

A political party called "anti-masons" was one of the first political parties in the United States because some people understood how masonry had been infiltrated by the Illuminati, but by the mid-nineteenth century they had already achieved enough to power to manipulate the government from behind the scenes.

In 1848, Karl Marx, a freemason, released the communist manifesto, as part of their plan of illumination. As you can see many of Marx's ideas have already manifested in our own country and helped the Order get control of Moscow before they were in control of New York. This is called the open conspiracy by H.G. Welles, another one of their members who wrote books about it. Although they weren't able to establish all of the planks of communism entirely in the U.S., they manifested in other ways that are quasi-communist, they established the most important ones like "2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. 10. Free education for all children in public schools... Combination of education with industrial production,"
 
Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike establishes who the God of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry has become by 1871 and is the antithesis of Christianity whereas they worship Lucifier instead of Adonai. This is a huge shift between the original Illuminati who believed that God created the world and left basically, and they believed in the perfecting the human race like Hitler.

Then Cecil Rhodes was recruited to the Order. He dedicated his life to furthering the aims of the order and left all of his wealth to the promotion of this secret society and they used this great wealth to become the moneyed interests behind the scenes along with the wealth of of the Rockefeller's oil money and J.P. Morgan's money from steel.

By the early 19th century they had founded the Round Table movement and began working to create an imperial world federation and other members set up the carnegie endowment for world peace, and simultaneously established the 5th plank of their plan by seizing control of the economy by swindling their central bank into place in 1913, while they had one of their guys, Edward Mandel House, in the Whitehouse. At this point they now have the invisible empire set up above the forms of democracy effectively removing the people from the decision making process.

By 1915, they were able to buy up all of the important newspapers in the country, so they could effectively control public opinion by buying 25 of the greatest newspapers.

by 1920 they established the Royal Institute for International Affairs in Britain and similar institutions all over the world. The one in the U.S. became known as the CFR. The job of the CFR and the other institutions is control of opinion and thus control of foreign policy.

On June 19th of the same year Christian Science Monitor editorial
 
"What is important is to dwell upon the increasing evidence of the existence of a secret conspiracy, throughout the world, for the destruction of organized government and the letting loose of evil."
 
At this point, they have thousands of secret agents all over the world.

To further their goals, they had the Black Hand assassinate trigger world war I to occur, so they could set up the league of nations and get the framework for a world government established. This failed, and so they attempted a fascist coup against FDR known as the business plot and failed again. We found this out in the same way we found out about the Illuminati when they tried to recruit John Robison. This time they had failed at recruiting General Smedley Butler who spilled the beans. So, they then financed Hitler's rise to power in an attempt to create the new world order by conquest and failing that they tried to demonstrate to the world the need for a world government to keep us safe by using Hitler as an example.
 

I have to go to sleep now. I know this is crudely typed and not properly sourced and explained but I'll come back tomorrow to see what you guys think and I can go further down the timeline.
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: cover fire hero November 28, 2010, 03:30:11 AM
And isn't there a level they get to that if they expose the secrets their life is threatened?

Check out <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=5hEMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA267&lpg=PA267&dq=World+Revolution,+by+Nesta+Webster&source=web&ots=xLAygL9VkW&sig=cJOqvyIlBeOn8PYTtn6WaDnLlH0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA14,M1">World Revolution,</a> by Nesta Webster, 


"By way of warning as to the consequences of betraying the Order, the initiate took part in a ceremony during which he was warned that "If you are only a traitor and perjurer, learn that all our brothers are called upon to arm themselves against you. DO NOT HOPE TO ESCAPE OR TO FIND A PLACE OF SAFETY. Wherever you are, shame, remorse, and the rage of our brothers will pursue you and torment you to the innermost recesses of your entrails."

"What passed at this terrible Congress will never be known to the outside world, for even those men who had been drawn unwittingly into the movement, and heard for the first time the real designs of the leaders, were under oath to reveal nothing. One honest Freemason, the Comte de Virieu,...when questioned on the `tragic secrets' he had brought back with him, replied: `I will not confide them to you. I can only tell you that all this is very much more serious than you think. The conspiracy which has been woven is so well thought out that it will be, so to speak, impossible for the Monarchy and the Church to escape from it.' From that time on, says his biographer, M. Costa de Beauregard, `the Comte de Virieu could only speak of Freemasonry with horror.'"
 
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: SongBird November 28, 2010, 03:32:56 AM
I have to go to sleep now. I know this is crudely typed and not properly sourced and explained but I'll come back tomorrow to see what you guys think and I can go further down the timeline.

Dude, whenever you're ready, do you know anything about 'Enoch', the dude that wrote the books, whom is mentioned in the new testament?
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: cover fire hero November 28, 2010, 01:37:49 PM
Dude, whenever you're ready, do you know anything about 'Enoch', the dude that wrote the books, whom is mentioned in the new testament?

I am writing about Freud and Jung right now. I just finished a short paper on Marx which I posted to my blog. I'll write more about Freemasonry later. Maybe we should talk about how John Adams, former president, said that Corporate Freemasonry was responsible for killing free men and why, so people can stop apologizing for them.

I know nothing about Enoch; I've read the dead sea scrolls and the Bible many years ago though. How is he still relevant?
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: SongBird November 28, 2010, 02:18:50 PM
I know nothing about Enoch; I've read the dead sea scrolls and the Bible many years ago though. How is he still relevant?

I recently read, that between him and another fellow stemmed Astrology, no worries it's something i'm interested in anyways and look forwards to looking into it myself, was just looking for a nod from someone in the know.
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: cover fire hero November 28, 2010, 02:59:12 PM
Hmm, that would've originated with the Indo-Europeans. Enoch came from the Abrahamic tribes thousands of years before any knowledge of astrology was ever recorded, and that tribe wasn't the one as fixated on the stars. Writing wasn't invented, so it will be difficult to pinpoint the origin, but we can see that the Indo-Europeans based their belief system on what they saw above when they set themselves up as gods over despairing masses and built all the monuments pointing at certain stars, as well as stonehenge, and observatories. We can also see they were similarly sophisticated in the Americas on the other side of the world and followed a similar belief system as they mapped the heavens and pretended to be gods. I can only reason it must've been established before the Indo-European tribes spread out to form nations and city states while the Abrahamic tribes developed monotheism.
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: SongBird November 28, 2010, 03:07:19 PM
..I can only reason it must've been established before the Indo-European tribes spread out to form nations and city states while the Abrahamic tribes developed monotheism.
Thank's friend, much appreciated indeed.
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: Joe Stirling September 19, 2011, 11:27:37 AM
Yes Masons are 100% criminal protectors of pedophiles, murderers and drug dealing
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: whoknowswhat October 19, 2011, 07:43:29 AM
Doesn't this clear it all up? or isn't this guy a real freemason?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhd-DsfVqfI
: Can someone explain to me masonry and the Illuminati
: ramicio January 11, 2012, 11:22:48 AM
I know the Illuminati are satanic mind controllers, with crazy symbolism, and pretty much rule all media and art.  Well, masonry falls under that.  But the masons, such as the founding fathers were Christianly religious.  I know masonry today is not the same as then.  I don't even know what my question is.  I just don't get it.  Was their religion and good morals a front?  Is masonry just a way for the Illuminati to secretly control well meaning people?  Was masonry back then a secret society for good people to keep things from the Illuminati?
: Re: Can someone explain to me masonry and the Illuminati
: EvadingGrid January 11, 2012, 11:54:15 AM
You have to draw a difference between the average Freemason and the inner elite circle of Freemasons.

Not all Freemasons are equal.

What you need to digest is that most Freemasons can only advance to the third degree and never hear any conspiracies.

There are however a smaller group of Scottish Rite Freemasons.
They have 33 degrees.

Google "Scottish Rite" and "Albert Pike", because in the end you need to do some research to gain real understanding.



: Re: Can someone explain to me masonry and the Illuminati
: ramicio January 11, 2012, 11:58:16 AM
What I'm most concerned with is understanding the founding fathers, their use of the same Illuminati satanic symbolism, while having their supposed devout Christian religion.  Were they only low-order masons?  Their is a Scottish Rite Cathedral a few miles from my house.  I was told as a kid that they sacrifice goats and even kill people in there.
: Re: Can someone explain to me masonry and the Illuminati
: Jackson Holly January 11, 2012, 12:12:50 PM
I know the Illuminati are satanic mind controllers, with crazy symbolism, and pretty much rule all media and art.  Well, masonry falls under that.  But the masons, such as the founding fathers were Christianly religious.  I know masonry today is not the same as then.  I don't even know what my question is.  I just don't get it.  Was their religion and good morals a front?  Is masonry just a way for the Illuminati to secretly control well meaning people?  Was masonry back then a secret society for good people to keep things from the Illuminati?

If you are new to this ... go right to the source:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm (http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/index.htm)

This is Albert Pike's Moral and Dogma, considered by
most the Bible of masonry (in the last century). It is
mostly about paganism ... not too much rites.

After getting this under your belt then tackle
some of their history, which can be found easily online.

'Porch' or 'blue' masons (first three degrees) often
are not aware of the big picture ... the 'elite' members
are selected for advancement from the blues.

CFR / Bilderberg  and other 'think tanks' are today's
version of the secret society.

This book will be a great background for the areas you
seem to be interested in ... written by a Mason, it is as
"positive" as can be ... very thorough on the
founding fathers and early history of US:

http://www.amazon.com/Solomons-Builders-Freemasons-Founding-Washington/dp/1569755795 (http://www.amazon.com/Solomons-Builders-Freemasons-Founding-Washington/dp/1569755795)

Solomon's Builders: Freemasons, Founding Fathers
and the Secrets of Washington D.C.


 ... about $7.00 used.


~> Were the founding fathers low-level?
Well, Ben Franklin was "Provincial Grand Master"
of the state of Pennsylvania.


: Re: Can someone explain to me masonry and the Illuminati
: tritonman January 11, 2012, 12:12:57 PM
Hidden Faith of The Founding Fathers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ynbnRJHNGc
See if this can help you out some..
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: tinfoiltruth January 11, 2012, 02:29:53 PM
just because someone says they are christians doesnt make them christians.


by there fruits they will be known.

I dont know of much Christian fruits from the founding fathers.

I beleive they were christian so they could exploit people. taking a page out of the roman catholic church book of indoctrination.
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: ramicio January 11, 2012, 02:31:59 PM
The mention that our rights are from God our creator is why I say they were religious.  Why would the founding fathers exploit people, yet come up with such amazing documents to make humans free?  They could have just became rulers instead if they wanted to exploit people.
: Re: Can someone explain to me masonry and the Illuminati
: tinfoiltruth January 11, 2012, 02:49:00 PM
The mention that our rights are from God our creator is why I say they were religious.  Why would the founding fathers exploit people, yet come up with such amazing documents to make humans free?  They could have just became rulers instead if they wanted to exploit people.

there desires, and goals are more then they immediate. if you spend some time studying the endgame of the Elite(masons, Illuminati) any of those cults, they have 1000 year goals not lifetime goals. the founding fathers were what set the world up for what is happening today. sometimes to enslave someone you have to make them think they are free.
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: Jackson Holly January 11, 2012, 02:54:15 PM
The mention that our rights are from God our creator is why I say they were religious.  Why would the founding fathers exploit people, yet come up with such amazing documents to make humans free?  They could have just became rulers instead if they wanted to exploit people.

It is the nature of Masonry to 'play both sides'
for one thing. They play on the natural desires
of Man to be free ... so they go on endlessly
about their Utopian "Rights of Man" while
basically they mean, "To be from the old monarchical
rulers ... and subservient to the NEW WORLD ORDER
ruled by the money men."

The great documents grew out of the Utopian
and 'Enlightened' pamphleteering of the day,
began really since the printing press startup ...
also, Bacon's New Atlantis and other such
Masonic/Rosicrucian lore ... and from the
various 'constitutions' of the lodges themselves.

: Re: Can someone explain to me masonry and the Illuminati
: EvadingGrid January 11, 2012, 02:59:22 PM
Secret Mysteries of America's Beginnings: Volume One -- The New Atlantis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duRdkyjHpx0
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: somsak January 11, 2012, 03:29:01 PM
You guys have me worried. Freemasonry was a common fraternity which involved a large portion of men at the time of the founding fathers.  Seriously, if you think the constitution was all a ruse to give us liberty only to take it away later you are deluded.  What is your proposed solution to keep government to the minimal level and to guarantee people's inalienable rights?

The fruits of the founding fathers were good. Are you saying that Jefferson was doublethinking when he wrote these words:
 "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure."  

"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."  September 23, 1800

Do you sincerely believe he was anything but sincere?  What is your proof otherwise?
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: tinfoiltruth January 11, 2012, 03:44:22 PM
You guys have me worried. Freemasonry was a common fraternity which involved a large portion of men at the time of the founding fathers.  Seriously, if you think the constitution was all a ruse to give us liberty only to take it away later you are deluded.  What is your proposed solution to keep government to the minimal level and to guarantee people's inalienable rights?

The fruits of the founding fathers were good. Are you saying that Jefferson was doublethinking when he wrote these words:
 "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure."  

"I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."  September 23, 1800

Do you sincerely believe he was anything but sincere?  What is your proof otherwise?

I cant say I have proof, but the "Fraternity's" they are apart of are sinister at best. what they created was good, and created a strong foundation. but the groups that they associated themselves with were not of good nature.

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: tritonman January 11, 2012, 05:22:24 PM
Somsak, do not paint with such a broad brush.  The "you guys" bit is getting old,  we do not all think exactly alike here as you are soon to find out .  Watch the video's provided and you may understand things a bit better and also why we linked them for your use.. :D
: Re: Can someone explain to me masonry and the Illuminati
: Jackson Holly January 11, 2012, 06:35:30 PM


somsak:
Do you sincerely believe he was anything but sincere?  What is your proof otherwise?

This is a difficult question. SO many of my favorite heroes turn out to be freemasons ... authors, musicians, religious leaders, soldiers, entertainers, astronauts, you name it ... not just the founding fathers. Then when you scratch beneath the surface of the Masons you discover the ONE WORLD ORDER writ LARGE!

You can google "List of Famous Masons" and start to get a notion of their "Who's Who" ... but it IS a secret society and for good reasons they don't always want to come out of the closet ... but when you start to study the letters and private papers you do find references to their lodges, etc.

Jefferson wasn't a Mason, BTW. And there were many competing forces within the system ... and there were representatives of all those forces (Ancients/Moderns - Nobility/Commoners) within the US at the time ... many were in support of the European Elite and gave only lip service to the "Rights of Man" because they knew the eventual outcome in either case would be a Democracy-in-Name-Only with the same old families at the helm.



: Re: Can someone explain to me masonry and the Illuminati
: TahoeBlue January 11, 2012, 08:00:55 PM
see: First Ever Masonic Inaugural Ball To Be Held For Obama  
(http://www.mygen.com/images/Masonic Inaugural Ball - Obama 44.jpg)  (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=77977)

for fun: The Beatles Masonic album title (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=72065)  
: Re: Can someone explain to me masonry and the Illuminati
: RB January 11, 2012, 08:33:45 PM
+

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/breaking_news/obama_names_orthodox_jew_next_chief_staff

Obama Names Orthodox Jew As Next Chief Of Staff

(http://www.jewishexponent.com/images/publications/dec222011/dreidel1.jpg)

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/12/20/Local/Images/menorah08_1324425420.jpg)

: Re: Can someone explain to me masonry and the Illuminati
: RB January 11, 2012, 08:41:04 PM
So, US Government + Illuminati = Apocalypses Today.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ElQ6uj_xmu0/SwZOFuWCXEI/AAAAAAAAAt4/ATkQDPQjoZY/s400/george-washington-satan.gif)

 
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: Jackson Holly January 11, 2012, 08:46:14 PM


(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/evinyl/PrisonPlanetForum/uncle_baph.jpg)

: Re: Can someone explain to me masonry and the Illuminati
: RB January 11, 2012, 08:50:24 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-58qbYvPqGI8/TZaSymGY6bI/AAAAAAAAE_M/gXZTW7ozQx0/s1600/illuminati-dollar-1.jpg) (http://www.illuminati-symbols.com/image-files/masonic-all-seeing-eye.gif)

(http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/mossad-logo.jpg?w=278&h=295)(http://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/anti_zionist.jpg)

(http://truthquake.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/iran-israel-bombing-nuclear-facilities-bomb-2011-missiles-jewish-muslim-islamic-military-air-force-mossad-obama-iraq-troop-withdrawal-politics-war-terrorism-gadhafi-illuminati-freemason-new-world-order-tel-aviv-jerusalem-gaza-strip.jpg)(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8vcKOU_otIY/TkRXzQ8ME1I/AAAAAAAADN0/Ko-B5gwJqTM/s1600/world+war3.jpg)
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: TahoeBlue January 11, 2012, 10:46:50 PM
Secret societies of America's elite:
from the Knights Templar to Skull and Bones  (http://books.google.com/books?id=mckOVGD5E0sC&source=gbs_navlinks_s)

Editorial Review - Cahners Business Information (c) 2003

An expose of the dark and critical role secret societies play within the ruling families in America and their influence on American democracy, current events, and world history.

Despite the promise of its somewhat lurid title and cover, this odd combination of scholarship and speculation does not really have what it takes to capture the attention of a general reading audience.

Its extremely broad theme is that "from the time of the Crusades to modern years, a handful of families have controlled the course of world events and have built their own status and wealth through collective efforts and intermarriage.

" Sora, who covered much of the same material in his earlier The Lost Treasure of the Knights Templar, connects the leaders of the 14th-century French military group the Knights Templar to 18th-century pirates such as Captain Kidd as well as Revolutionary heroes such as Benjamin Franklin.

Sora provides some interesting insights into each subject: the business organization and acumen of the Knights Templar made them, in effect, "the first ever multinational corporation"; William Kidd was a businessman with ties to Scottish Masonic private clubs; and Franklin's efforts to keep the colonials supplied and funded meant that he "operated through Masonic groups in England and France, and his partners in the pro-American war efforts were more often than not hedonists, occultists, Rosicrucians, slave traders and spies."

 But his general attempt to connect Masonic groups to more current events like the J.F.K. assassination is on far shakier ground, and a final chapter on Yale's legendary Skull and Bones fraternity seems tacked on to book only to allow Sora to argue-but never prove-that "coincidences point to an elite handful of interlocking relationships that have a hold over national affairs." (Mar.)

see also:

Really interesting report on early  Jewish Sephardic Pirates and why...

http://www.ahava.org/SephardicPiratesoftheRevolutionaryWar.pdf
Sephardic Pirates of the Revolutionary War - Presenter: Jim Harlow

Co-sponsored by: Addison-Penzak Jewish Community Center Silicon Valley
http://www.svjcc.org/

Motives of Jewish Piracy
• Spanish Sephardic pirates were generally attempting to reclaim what was stolen from them in 1492.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: mymomentummedia February 12, 2012, 02:48:08 PM
Here is a great overview and understanding to Freemasonry
Its in depth and goes into understanding the perspectives and why one might become a mason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1D3X7D3Jeg
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Honor18 June 11, 2014, 11:49:32 AM
I do not have the link to0 the video but if you do a serch for it in youtube you can find it

The Prophecy Club was were the event took place

Exposing the illuminati from within is the title there are 2 videos that are 2 and 1/2 hours long by Bill Schnoebelen

Very good information given by a the gentleman who claims to be a 90 degree freemason that was saved , he covers many issues from the illuminati all the way to why the King James Bible is the only true bible according to gods word ! Great video !
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: jofortruth June 11, 2014, 12:50:16 PM
I do not have the link to0 the video but if you do a serch for it in youtube you can find it

The Prophecy Club was were the event took place

Exposing the illuminati from within is the title there are 2 videos that are 2 and 1/2 hours long by Bill Schnoebelen

Very good information given by a the gentleman who claims to be a 90 degree freemason that was saved , he covers many issues from the illuminati all the way to why the King James Bible is the only true bible according to gods word ! Great video !



Exposing the Illuminati from within Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmmr4xmZ3qs
http://www.withoneaccord.org/


: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Honor18 June 11, 2014, 12:53:36 PM
Thanks Jo ... not sure if you have watched it or not ... I watched the full video yesterday ... guy seems to know his stuff although I am still looking into some it ! Great watch very interesting !
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: jofortruth June 11, 2014, 01:19:09 PM
Thanks Jo ... not sure if you have watched it or not ... I watched the full video yesterday ... guy seems to know his stuff although I am still looking into some it ! Great watch very interesting !


Welcome! As usual, there are some who say he isn't the real deal, but what little I have heard in interviews, he seems authentic. However, I agree more research needs to be done on him and many others.

IMO, there are rogue people in every organization, mostly at the top levels, including Freemasonry! There may be well meaning people at the lower levels, but they need to start vetting their top generals because there is too much deception at those levels and people are being mislead.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: jerryweaver June 30, 2014, 10:49:21 PM
(http://garfield50freemasons.org/images/340_IMAG0300.jpg)

http://garfield50freemasons.org/photogallery/grangerefurbishment.html


The Grange Halls in SLO counties host farmers markets and alternative currency meetings.

???  ??? ??? ???


http://www.slogrange.com/
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: jerryweaver July 01, 2014, 05:23:30 AM
I really would like some input on this.
These folks are linked to the masons.
They are promoting an alternative currency.
They are Nationwide and all ready for the collapse.

http://www.slogrange.com/

Events

Every Tuesday Farmer Market 3 pn - 6 pm

First Tuesday,  SLO Money 6:30 pm

Second Tuesday, SLO Seed Exchange 6:30 pm

Third Tuesday, SLO Hope Dance Film 6:00 pm

Fourth Tuesday, Permaculture Guild 7 pm

For details about the SLO Permaculture Guild check out
http://www.facebook.com/pages/SLO-Permaculture-Guild/308916305792541
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Al Bundy July 27, 2014, 01:30:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/deRR90F.jpg)(http://)

Initiation of two young boys in masonic temple in Belgrade, Serbia.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: thedemonio September 09, 2014, 04:28:31 PM
Hello
I am an expert at on freemasonry because I was targeted by them and turned them into little bitches. I am happy to answer any questions
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Outer Haven September 11, 2014, 06:34:47 AM
Yes!
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: EvadingGrid April 10, 2015, 10:35:40 AM
Yes!

Yea every now and then this thread gets bumped and I chortle at the thread title . . .

“Lucifer, the Light-bearer!  Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness!  Lucifer, the Son of the Morning!  Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls?  Doubt it not!”
Albert Pike
Morals & Dogma

THE FREEMASON "BIBLE / MANUAL"

: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Al Bundy May 31, 2015, 08:38:40 AM
I just found this: "Freemasonry in all its manifestations is - a secret criminal society, which determine themselves the goal of achieving a world government based on the principles of the Jewish teachings of the chosen people..." ( Russian writer and historian Oleg A. Platonov ).
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: I Am GabriEl July 03, 2015, 08:35:36 PM
Yes. They are a secret/dark organized group of people that claim to have Light that they do not share with those outside of their religious organization. They do their works in the dark and communicate in secretive ways. "We're not a religion." Yes, they are as a quick research into the definition of the word states otherwise, as does them having a 'worshipful master'. Besides, your religion is what your beliefs are, so even if atheist, you still have 'religion'. They choose over decent, even at times, more qualified people for jobs and for men that claim to know The Truth behind the veil and claim to believe and live The Holy Bible teachings, then explain why you do things in secret and against the fellow man of your time on earth, outside of your organization?

They do not follow the ONE GOD of HIS Word, but rather are poly-tick (many gods) in their thinking, which is in truth "luna(r)tick as Jesus stated. Their source materials push as much, as they each believe each other to be a god and Rightly they speak, but wrongly they live and your life is your living testimony in HISstory. Yes, there are many gods (children of HIM) and many opinions but ONLY ONE TRUTH and it is contained within The Book of The Ages, The Holy Bible, The Truth of Time, Etc.

Whom was the ONE TRUE GOD in the flesh? The One they don't like to have much to do with and that is Jesus Christ. Yes, many Stars of Heaven descended from On High, The 'Celestial Lodge' over HISstory but The Living Law~Word (LawYah~Lawyer) of GOD was, you guessed it, Jesus Christ, a.k.a. Immanuel/Emmanuel, meaning GOD with us. Jesus Christ proved He was GOD in the flesh via His many miracles, which were not made up, nor was Scripture or His life, though the modern-day canaanites that rule over you are trying to convince you it's all myth and lie; they know better. Why do you think they get together for ceremonies of worship, etc.?

Look at my avatar and know 'sacred geometry' - how stupid. Folks, it's all about TIME - THAT'S IT! They can seek deeper 'truth' by being like El Astarte Crowley that they hold so dear and eat their on feces, but that provides no new 'light'. The only thing those weak, effeminate cowards have done is proven HIS Word True and they know it's True, which is why they want to murder all Christians, as Hebrews~Israelites~Ju(da)hs (not jewish religion)~Christians are all different names for the same People and what did they always do??? Stand up to the cainites and those of their spirit (mentality~thought process).

Many ma-masons have no idea they worship evil and are part of it. Many think they are even moreso understanding The Holy Bible and are better people because of their affiliation but in Truth, they are worshipping false gods, meaning those at the top of the money pyramid, which is all nothing more than 'spirit magic', a.k.a. psychology; paper money is symbolic, ishtarded baal$hit that is based on shiny rocks, none of which are of any use to The Temple of GOD, which isn't some stupid, brick & mortar building, but is the human body. Their 'gods' place and keep people in bondage/slavery/servitude so they can enjoy themselves in The Garden of Eden (Paradise), while they do nothing of substance. Rather, they sit on their weak, effeminate hind ends and do nothing more than build more cities as stated in Genesis to cause more people to be dependent on them and their evils (people in cities can't provide for their temple of those of their family). Of course musicians, actors, media people, writers, politicians all love bankers and banking. Why you wonder? Because it's all pretend. There is no such thing as money and all of their gods are false. I'm not saying all music is bad but once you understand that these people are wasting your god/your time in The Garden and they have no right to do so and they know they're doing it... are you ok with that???????? You like all the hours (horus) you work, while they do things that pay them loads of money~time and then turn around and make fun of you while they live their goof-off lives? An actor or any other entertainer should be paid more than a farmer? A teacher and so on? Not all that long ago, those people were known as fools~court jesters, weak effeminates, etc. but as He said, He had to give them Time to change and accept Him before casting them out of The Twelve Gates of The City of The Universe, which is known as The Milky Way. The Time of the gentiles (those that are not of HIS) has almost been fulfilled and Judgment is near. There are many bodies, ideas, words, galaxies out there, True, but there is ONLY ONE LIVING WORD.

They are trying to take your guns, health and so on intentionally, because they know what Time it is and they know it's Time for their lies to end. This is cain in his fullness, the satan spoken of in HIS Word and it's not just one man and anyone that tells you that is not of understanding. Like the egyptians and the rest of them in HISstory, they don't like competition and as one of the demons said "competition is a sin". Well, too bad weak one, it's Time to put up or get put out to pasture... permanently, in earth as it is in Heaven.

Turn to HIS Word and the fullness thereof and these problems/demons will cease from among you.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: 111 July 12, 2015, 09:24:10 AM
not only criminal....goes much further/darker/deeper than that.

earth = fallen world due to rebellion against the Creator.

masons = builders, (not Creators).

Adam and Eve wore fig leafs after the fall.

Masonic apron symbolizes a fig leaf, worn over their groin.

'they' don't like the Creator.  Mankind was Created in His likeness.  'they' don't like Mankind.

however, 'they' very much like the creation (earth).

start from there and you'll figure out what they are.

also, if you want, you can read the parable of the wheat and the weeds, as well as the parable of the wicked tenants.  guess where 'they' fit in to those stories?

: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Al Bundy July 12, 2015, 09:55:53 AM
not only criminal....goes much further/darker/deeper than that.

earth = fallen world due to rebellion against the Creator.

masons = builders, (not Creators).

Adam and Eve wore fig leafs after the fall.

Masonic apron symbolizes a fig leaf, worn over their groin.

'they' don't like the Creator.  Mankind was Created in His likeness.  'they' don't like Mankind.

however, 'they' very much like the creation (earth).

start from there and you'll figure out what they are.

also, if you want, you can read the parable of the wheat and the weeds, as well as the parable of the wicked tenants.  guess where 'they' fit in to those stories?

I do not think that freemasons do not like Mankind. But they do everything in their power for progress of Manкind. Even if it meant retractable people in the revolution and in the world wars ("The road to Hell is paved with good intentions").
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: 111 July 12, 2015, 10:03:10 AM
can you explain how their wars benefit mankind?

it's funny because my satanist fake mother used to say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." often.

i never understood the meaning of that because it makes no sense.
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: EvadingGrid July 12, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
"Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"

"The doctrines of the Bible are often not clothed in the language of strict truth, but in that which was fittest to convey to a rude and ignorant people the practical essentials of the doctrine."

"The God of nineteen-twentieths of the Christian world is only Bel, Moloch, Zeus, or at best Osiris, Mithras, or Adonai, under another name, worshipped with the old Pagan ceremonies and ritualistic formulas."

"Masonry is a search after Light. That search leads us directly back, as you see, to the Kabalah."

The Freemason Bible :
Morals & Dogma
Albert Pike



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: EvadingGrid July 12, 2015, 11:53:09 AM
To you Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine....Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God."

(Occult Theocrasy, p.220-221), [Edith Starr Miller, The Christian Book Club of America]

Note the Gnostic BS.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Al Bundy July 12, 2015, 12:00:16 PM
can you explain how their wars benefit mankind?

it's funny because my satanist fake mother used to say "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." often.

i never understood the meaning of that because it makes no sense.

It is so easy - WW2. Hitler and Hirohito could only stop by force, American Revolution...
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: 111 July 12, 2015, 12:54:12 PM
so easy?

american revolution....huge FAIL as of right now.

wwii ..... secret occult lodges on all sides fighting each other.

how many masons died?

how many men(kind) died?

cui bono?  high level masons and occult lodges.

their wars have been going on longer than most people know.

divide and conquer is their modus operandi.  step right up, pick a side, any side.  doesn't matter because they're on all sides.  a house divided against itself cannot stand.  goes all the way back to cain vs abel, their 'mommy' (ma - sons) and their CHOICE to rebel against the Creator.

it's worked thus far. but their crap is ending.  that was and is a promise.

comprende?





: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Al Bundy July 12, 2015, 01:20:58 PM
so easy?

american revolution....huge FAIL as of right now.

wwii ..... secret occult lodges on all sides fighting each other.

how many masons died?

how many men(kind) died?

cui bono?  high level masons and occult lodges.

their wars have been going on longer than most people know.

divide and conquer is their modus operandi.  step right up, pick a side, any side.  doesn't matter because they're on all sides.  a house divided against itself cannot stand.  goes all the way back to cain vs abel, their 'mommy' (ma - sons) and their CHOICE to rebel against the Creator.

it's worked thus far. but their crap is ending.  that was and is a promise.

comprende?

But you have to admit that mankind without Hitler, Goering, Heydrich, von Loer, Himmler, Bormann, von Paulus, Jodl, Keitel, Japanese Emperor Hirohito and his generals and admirals became a better place to live.
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: 111 July 12, 2015, 02:21:01 PM
no, i don't have to admit that and i won't.  i also noticed you didn't bother to answer the questions I asked.

how is it a better place to live?  if you remove one or two turds from a shithole and replace them with larger turds,  that makes the shithole even shittier.  your wars and warriors should have ever existed.

that being said, there is One Man authorized to make war with Righteousness and Justice on behalf of the Creator.  i am pretty sure He isn't a democrat, republican, libertarian, nazi or part of any other faction or political party.  He's going to kick all your asses.
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: 111 July 12, 2015, 06:56:58 PM
@ Al Bundy...

I just realized, you really are Serbian?

If so, I understand why you hate Nazis.  Yes, they were and are a blight.  My point was that there is a much older, larger problem than only Nazi's.  They were only one small part of the real problem that has cursed this world.

Here's another clue for you...since I've heard Alex Jones doesn't care for the bilderberg group.  They abuse words and, according to their own rules, they have to tell you who they are (synonyms, homonyms, symbols etc).  Builder Burger Group.  If you pay attention to names of people, places, groups etc and the meanings of those names you'll learn a lot about who is who.

builder = mason
Burger Name Meaning. German, English, and Dutch: status name for a freeman of a borough, especially one who was a member of its governing council, a derivative of Middle High German burc, Middle English burg '(fortified) town', Middle Dutch burch.

freemasons

pray for fire.  they'll be obliterated :)
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Al Bundy July 13, 2015, 07:33:49 PM
@ Al Bundy...

I just realized, you really are Serbian?

If so, I understand why you hate Nazis.  Yes, they were and are a blight.  My point was that there is a much older, larger problem than only Nazi's.  They were only one small part of the real problem that has cursed this world.

Here's another clue for you...since I've heard Alex Jones doesn't care for the bilderberg group.  They abuse words and, according to their own rules, they have to tell you who they are (synonyms, homonyms, symbols etc).  Builder Burger Group.  If you pay attention to names of people, places, groups etc and the meanings of those names you'll learn a lot about who is who.

builder = mason
Burger Name Meaning. German, English, and Dutch: status name for a freeman of a borough, especially one who was a member of its governing council, a derivative of Middle High German burc, Middle English burg '(fortified) town', Middle Dutch burch.

freemasons

pray for fire.  they'll be obliterated :)

You are right. I am Serbian and I hate Nazi`s. You are blaming for must of evil on Earth secret society like freemasons. 
But maybe I am no such good in English language or maybe you are too mysterious in second part of your post. I am not saying you are wrong but I do not what you try to say.
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: 111 July 14, 2015, 04:18:40 AM
what part of my post didn't you understand?
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: Al Bundy July 14, 2015, 04:48:37 AM
what part of my post didn't you understand?

"They abuse words and, according to their own rules, they have to tell you who they are (synonyms, homonyms, symbols etc).  Builder Burger Group.  If you pay attention to names of people, places, groups etc and the meanings of those names you'll learn a lot about who is who.

builder = mason
Burger Name Meaning. German, English, and Dutch: status name for a freeman of a borough, especially one who was a member of its governing council, a derivative of Middle High German burc, Middle English burg '(fortified) town', Middle Dutch burch."

 ???
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: 111 July 14, 2015, 05:24:48 AM
names are more important than most people know.  names have meanings.

'they' MUST tell you who they are and what they intend to do.  it's how they derive (what they consider to be) consent.

only if they actually told you who and what they were and what they intended to do,  they would never get consent.  so, they get around that by being oblique.  they 'tell' you who they are and what they intend to do using symbols and names words (synonyms, homonyms etc).  it's also how they control people.

this way, they do what they want and if anyone (after the fact) says "hey, you can't do that" they can say that they told you who they were and/or what they were going to do but you weren't smart enough to figure it out.

so...because of that....if you pay close attention to the meanings of names and symbols, analyze phrases for synonyms and homynyms and you'll know who they are and what they intend to do.

bilder = homonym for builder.
burg or burger = the name meaning 'freeman', 'especially one who was a member of its governing council'

now they've told you exactly who they are and laugh at you for how 'smart' they are and how 'stupid' you are when you don't figure it out.
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: 111 July 14, 2015, 05:34:24 AM
here's another example.....

look up the gadsden flag that was made famous during the american revolution and has begun to make a comeback lately.

it's a snake, with the motto "don't tread on me".

that flag is a direct 'f**k you' to True followers of Jesus Christ and the Creator, by satanists. 

Luke 10:19
I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.

usa = christian nation?  no.  quite the opposite.

but if they actually TOLD people they were satanists, would the people let them govern?  of course not.

how many christians wave that flag without knowing what it means?  a lot.


: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: EvadingGrid July 14, 2015, 05:52:56 AM
here's another example.....

look up the gadsden flag that was made famous during the american revolution and has begun to make a comeback lately.

it's a snake, with the motto "don't tread on me".

that flag is a direct 'f**k you' to True followers of Jesus Christ and the Creator, by satanists. 

Luke 10:19
I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.

usa = christian nation?  no.  quite the opposite.

but if they actually TOLD people they were satanists, would the people let them govern?  of course not.

how many christians wave that flag without knowing what it means?  a lot.

Get yourself to an AA meeting, or phone your sponsor.

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: 111 July 14, 2015, 05:55:09 AM
that's funny because i don't drink.

but i'll tell you this....you live in a world where NOTHING is as it seems.

'they' like it that way.  'they' want people to be confused.

i'm not confused. :)

if you wave 'their' flag, 'they' count you as their own.  fact.
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: 111 July 14, 2015, 06:09:31 AM
that's funny because i don't drink.

but i'll tell you this....you live in a world where NOTHING is as it seems.

'they' like it that way.  'they' want people to be confused.

i'm not confused. :)

if you wave 'their' flag, 'they' count you as their own.  fact.

another way to say that is this:

they KNOW they're going to hell.  they want to take as many with them as possible. 
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Al Bundy July 18, 2015, 04:06:35 AM
New ambassador of former Yugoslav Republic in Montenegro in Germany is Ranko Vujačić ( Master of Grand lodge of Serbia  :o )

(http://i.imgur.com/LgGNvbs.jpg)(http://)

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/planeta.300.html:558037-Ambasador-Crne-Gore-u-Nemackoj---masonhttp://
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Outer Haven September 13, 2015, 11:14:19 AM
"The reason they want secrecy is they're doing evil. Evil is done under the cover of darkness; good works are done in the sunshine."
-- Jim Tucker (RIP)
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: Letsbereal September 13, 2015, 11:17:33 AM
The Brotherhood of the Bell (1970) - High Quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H57JthB_KVc

"Brotherhood of the Bell" Exposed Masonic Control.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Al Bundy September 13, 2015, 11:37:06 AM
Now there is problem for American patriots. How to explain your children that are "Founding Father" of USA were good if ALL of them were members of Freemasons ?
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: EvadingGrid September 13, 2015, 12:03:22 PM
Now there is problem for American patriots. How to explain your children that are "Founding Father" of USA were good if ALL of them were members of Freemasons ?

Freemasons provide a mechanisim for hiding evil, that is not the same as evil, but they provide the opportunity.

For example Propaganda Due, the P2 Lodge protected itself by using the Freemason organisation. This does not mean all italian freemasons are members of P2.

For those who have not heard of P2 / Propaganda_Due
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: TahoeBlue September 17, 2015, 12:30:02 PM
I found this interesting  Tom Paine got material from Lafayette who was a member of the "Le Contrat Social" masonic lodge: which is linked with the Nine Sisters Masonic lodge ( Ben Franklin, John Paul Jones, Voltaire etc ....)

see:
The Master Game: Unmasking the Secret Rulers of the World (https://books.google.com/books?id=ZmIQ3Qws86cC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=Marquis+de+Lafayette+nine+sisters&source=bl&ots=Uo4FtQM73R&sig=VsspKsjRwYr5gq0T1bCf9DZupVs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAmoVChMI5KrcvL3-xwIVCE-SCh1PoQHm#v=onepage&q=Marquis%20de%20Lafayette%20nine%20sisters&f=false)

John Paul Jones: Sailor, Hero, Father of the American Navy (https://books.google.com/books?id=8rQSAU63pr0C&pg=PA217&lpg=PA217&dq=Marquis+de+Lafayette+nine+sisters&source=bl&ots=wxyy_lOu3f&sig=-Z66hl_uRo3rYNnEb6rg6-JXkK4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBmoVChMI5KrcvL3-xwIVCE-SCh1PoQHm#v=onepage&q=Marquis%20de%20Lafayette%20nine%20sisters&f=false)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3237807/Historian-claims-founding-father-Thomas-Paine-plagiarist-didn-t-actually-write-crucial-passage-legendary-Rights-Man.html
Historian claims that founding father Thomas Paine was a plagiarist and didn't actually write a crucial passage in the legendary 'Rights of Man'
Historian Jonathan Clark suggests that Thomas Paine committed plagiarism by not writing the 6,000 word passage
Clark asserts the account of the French Revolution was 'different in tone' from the rest of the work
Instead, Clark believes that his friend, Marquis de Lafayette, wrote it
Clark is a professor of history at the University of Kansas

By Regina F. Graham For Dailymail.com

Published: 21:28 EST, 16 September 2015  | Updated: 01:56 EST, 17 September 2015


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3237807/Historian-claims-founding-father-Thomas-Paine-plagiarist-didn-t-actually-write-crucial-passage-legendary-Rights-Man.html#ixzz3m0wJ5mlf
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: Al Bundy January 19, 2016, 08:42:13 PM
Illegal Freemason lodge in Novi Sad, Serbia  ???

http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/naslovna/drustvo/aktuelno.290.html:586834-NS-Osnovana-masonska-loza-Kralj-Aleksandarhttp://
: Pike's plans revealed in 200 yo letter - WWI, WWII, WWIII and more in detail
: Sasha March 09, 2016, 10:39:37 AM
Chillingly accurate 200-year-old letter predicts WW3 and final battle against Islam (http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/650822/Letter-WW3-200-year-old-islam-final-battle)
A LETTER written more than 200 years ago by a top military chief chillingly predicted the two world wars - before warning of a final "bloody" battle with Islam.
Selina Sykes - Express UK - Mar 9, 2016

Albert Pike, who was a captain for the US army during the American Civil War, is said to have written a doctrine to an Italian politician outlining plans for the trio global conflicts.

The letter plots how and why the first and second world wars broke out in the 1900s and provides an even more chilling prophecy over a third and final battle.

The document allegedly suggested World War One was planned to overthrow the Tsars in Russia and make the country a communist stronghold.

The Second World War was sparked as a catalyst to destroy Nazism, according to the letter, so communism could take over wearier governments and for a sovereign state of Israel to be set up in Palestine.

A third world war, according to Mr Pike, will be fought against the West and leaders of the Islamic war.

Mr Pike warned the third war would be "the most bloody turmoil".

The document, revealed by the Daily Star, features heavily in the book Satan, Prince of this World, by former naval officer William Guy Carr.

Mr Pike is said to have written, according to Mr Carr's book: "The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Tsars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism."

It was reportedly sent by Pike, a freemason, to Italian politician Giuseppe Mazzini and was dated August 15, 1871.

The letter allegedly said: "The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the 'agentur' of the 'Illuminati' between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World.

"The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.

"Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion.

"We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil."

It was originally claimed the text was on show at the British Museum's Library and was mysteriously taken down in the 1970s and never seen again.

Both the British Museum and the British Library confirmed there is no record of the letter being in the establishment's possession.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Truther612 April 26, 2016, 09:35:30 AM
I would love to know why Alex is so against the Masons. What proof is there that they do anything wrong.

I know from listening to the show for about 2 years now AJ doesn't like them and neither does his guests.

Is it a religious reason or is there proof of any wrong doings.

Would be interested in hearing more about this very much

Cory

The reason Alex calls them criminals and corrupt, is because of the vast amount
of power they've accumulated which has allowed them. to commit murder while
covering it up, start wars, Blame paty's while our "politicians" take bribe money
turning the other cheek
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Al Bundy April 26, 2016, 09:59:54 AM
The reason Alex calls them criminals and corrupt, is because of the vast amount
of power they've accumulated which has allowed them. to commit murder while
covering it up, start wars, Blame paty's while our "politicians" take bribe money
turning the other cheek

Good things about Freemasons: 1) organized French revolution;
                                                    2) organized American revolution;
                                                    3) long time they battle versus Jesuits;
                                                    4) first modern minister of Education in Serbia
                                                    5) they fought war against Hitler in WW2 etc.

 
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: Truther612 April 28, 2016, 01:50:13 PM
Good things about Freemasons: 1) organized French revolution;
                                                    2) organized American revolution;
                                                    3) long time they battle versus Jesuits;
                                                    4) first modern minister of Education in Serbia
                                                    5) they fought war against Hitler in WW2 etc.

those aren't good things
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: Jacob Law April 28, 2016, 08:14:58 PM
Good things about Freemasons: 1) organized French revolution;
                                                    2) organized American revolution;
                                                    3) long time they battle versus Jesuits;
                                                    4) first modern minister of Education in Serbia
                                                    5) they fought war against Hitler in WW2 etc.

Really not sure if those can be all good things; and have my doubt they battle the Jesuits
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Al Bundy May 23, 2016, 10:16:11 PM
those aren't good things

Why ? Ok maybe right in one : French Revolution is terror . Although, I am in Primary School learned us in Serbia that is "beginning of human society". B...it. Civil war organized by anti-Christian Secret societies.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Truther612 October 27, 2016, 09:37:27 PM
Why ? Ok maybe right in one : French Revolution is terror . Although, I am in Primary School learned us in Serbia that is "beginning of human society". B...it. Civil war organized by anti-Christian Secret societies.

It's all war and terror designed for an coming apocalypse that has more at
stake for humankind than ever before. so none of those things are ever
good
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: Olga November 21, 2016, 12:22:24 PM
They murdered 100,000 innocent civilians in Japan during WW2. No big deal.
: Re: Is Freemasonry a Criminal Organisation?
: Al Bundy December 02, 2016, 05:29:50 AM
On this day in 1804 Freemason of Napoleon Bonaparte is crowned himself emperor of France and set out to conquer Europe.

Napoleon decided to crown himself, even though it had been intended that the Pope perform the ceremony. This drawing was doubtless executed shortly afterwards, and David initially included the scene in the large commemorative canvas in the Louvre. Here the artist has not only captured a historic moment; his drawing of the Emperor is charged with all the significance of a conquering soldier, hand grasping the pommel of his sword in the gesture of someone who owes his new-found power to no-one but himself.

http://www.louvre.fr/en/oeuvre-notices/napoleon-crowning-himself-emperor-popehttp://

P.S. Self-proclaimed Emperor of France Freemason Napoleon wasted no time. Exactly one year later at the battle of Austerlitz, he won the Austrian and Russian armies.
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: Jacob Law January 06, 2017, 11:01:03 PM
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