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: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: sifromeire September 09, 2008, 04:21:19 PM
2 Articles in the Irish MSM today....Enjoy

This one is from the Irish Mirror!

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2862/mirrormz5.jpg)

This one is from the Irish Sun!

(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/673/starlb2.jpg)

If anyone else in Ireland has the other papers Herald, Times, Star, Independent or whatever have a flick through to see if it’s mentioned. (Doubt it though)  :-X
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: EvadingGrid September 09, 2008, 04:23:14 PM
WoW

What a great post...


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: stangrof September 09, 2008, 04:30:58 PM
Good evening, do you have links or those newspapers are not online?
bye
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: pacemaker September 09, 2008, 04:31:53 PM
It would be nice if someone that has this paper could say what it says on Norway and Sweden that doesn't seem to belong to the big areas. United something, maybe it's united scandinavia, and that "scandinavia" is capped in a weird way because of lack of space.
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: Sub-X September 09, 2008, 04:33:49 PM
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn133/digsman/1942world4000.jpg)






http://digg.com/world_news/Post_War_New_World_Order_Map
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: Initiated September 09, 2008, 04:34:13 PM
Very fascinating... I was unable to find this story on either of their websites. Thank you.
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: jayfromeire September 09, 2008, 04:46:36 PM
Nice one SubX was looking for the whole map...Mad find and glad it got out not covered up..
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: Freeski September 09, 2008, 04:49:29 PM
Holy cow! I hope this checks out.
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: Freeski September 09, 2008, 04:56:46 PM
I can't find anything on this Thomas Moriarty, though. There's a real estate agent, a marketing consultant, a baseball player and one "college history professor from Westfield State College", but he's not listed in the faculty at the college website. I can't find anything except for a stupid listing on ratemyprofessors.com. The hunt continues.
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: Typhoon September 09, 2008, 05:02:05 PM
Holy crap!  ;D
thats amazing stuff  :o
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: sifromeire September 09, 2008, 05:20:57 PM
I can't find anything on this Thomas Moriarty, though. There's a real estate agent, a marketing consultant, a baseball player and one "college history professor from Westfield State College", but he's not listed in the faculty at the college website. I can't find anything except for a stupid listing on ratemyprofessors.com. The hunt continues.

Hey Freeski, you should start on www.google.ie and click pages from ireland and search for his name and historian etc....

Sounds like you're only getting US hits there...
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: donnay September 09, 2008, 05:26:09 PM
This is a terrific post!!!  Thanks for posting it!
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: CFF September 09, 2008, 05:37:14 PM
Bump.
Hope Alex talks about it on tomorrow's show.
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: gEEk squad September 09, 2008, 05:41:49 PM
I love how all of the security bases on the map are circling Africa.

The NWO doesn't like black people.
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: EvadingGrid September 09, 2008, 05:44:00 PM
I am intrigued, please keep the posts coming.
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: RickT September 09, 2008, 05:50:24 PM
The splitting of the North West Territories into 2 territories is interesting.  Something which was done in 1999, with the creation of Nunavut.  Though the name given on the map is Keewatin & the NWT is renamed MacKenzie... but that something like that may have been planned 58 years before it happened is interesting.  Seeing United States of America written across Canada is rather disturbing.  Manifest Destiny obviously didn't go away after the War of 1812.

http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/maps/1900s/1942world4000.jpg  *large map*
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Sub-X September 09, 2008, 06:05:27 PM
About The New World Order Map:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/new_world_order_map.htm




This map was discovered by Helen Somers in a window in Philadelphia during World War II. It was completed in October 1941, before Pearl Harbor, was printed in bright colors by a cartographer named Maurice Gomberg in Philadelphia in 1942, and was displayed in his store window. Helen Somers immediately recognized the significance of the map and purchased several. At least a few original copies are still in existence, including one in the Library of Congress in Washington, DC.

The original source of the plan that is described in detail on the map is not given. However, an examination of numerous documents of the period relating to the new world order indicate that the source must have been individuals related to the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and/or the U.S. State Department.

The bottom of the map contains a detailed explanation of the U.S. policy for the New World Order. Some of the points of this policy are as follows:

A new world order for permanent peace and freedom will be established at the end of the War.

The U.S.A. must, altruistically, assume the leadership of the newly established world order.

The U.S.A., Britain, and the U.S.S.R. will undertake to guarantee peace to the nations, which will be permanently disarmed and demilitarized.

The U.S.A. will become invincible as a military, naval, and air power.

The U.S.S.R. will acquire the republics of Eastern Europe after the War.

There will be a demilitarized, federated United States of Europe.

Canada, Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean islands will be incorporated into the United States of America.

The land of the ancient Hebrews, known as Palestine and Trans-Jordan, will be united as a demilitarized republic called Hebrewland.

All natural resources will be nationalized and distributed to all nations.

Banking, investments, railroads, and power plants will be nationalized everywhere.

A world common monetary system will be established.

The unified "Supreme War Council of the United Nations" will be reorganized and transformed into a "Supreme Military and Economic Council" to assist in reconstruction and to enforce world peace.

The dimensions: of the map are nearly 36 inches by 25 inches.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: RickT September 09, 2008, 06:05:57 PM
Check out points 16, 38 & 39 (e)

16 - World Court

38 - Population Control

39 (e) - Common World Currency


This smoking gun evidence almost sounds and looks to good to be true.
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: EchelonMonitor September 09, 2008, 06:15:43 PM
 "the intoxication of military chauvenism"

That's a good way to describe the attraction of militarism.
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: bmanmcfly September 09, 2008, 06:19:06 PM
Check out points 16, 38 & 39 (e)

16 - World Court

38 - Population Control

39 (e) - Common World Currency


This smoking gun evidence almost sounds and looks to good to be true.

I'd say it goes to show how even the NWO aren't perfect in their plans.  It would seem we're already 70+ years behind schedule. No?
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: knas September 09, 2008, 06:21:10 PM
This is all really disturbing...
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Sub-X September 09, 2008, 06:23:32 PM
The New World Order (1942)
http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/286-the-new-world-moral-map/
June 6, 2008




Published in Philadelphia in early 1942, this ‘Outline of (the) Post-War New World Map’, created by Maurice Gomberg, shows a proposal to re-arrange the world after an Allied victory against the Axis forces. Its title refers to a ‘New World Order’, a vague concept, its many definitions often contradicting each other. At the core of the NWO, however, is always the notion that a small group of powerful individuals, institutions, industries and/or nations must lead the world in the right direction (i.e. towards ‘unification’). This may be against the world’s own will (and therefore done covertly, at least in some versions of the NWO-story), but ultimately it is for its own good.

One of the most recent references to the NWO by a major political figure was made by US president George Bush (Sr), who explicitly used the NWO to refer to US objectives in a Post-Cold War world. The term has a pedigree much older than the Cold War, or even both World Wars. Some might even say – and now we’re straying somewhat prematurely into the field of conspiracy theory – that it goes all the way back to Roman times, as is attested by the (modified) quote of the Roman poet Virgil on the revers of the US Great Seal and (significantly or not, since 1935) on the back of the dollar bill: Novus Ordo Seclorum – literally: ‘A New Order for the Ages’.

In a modern context, it was the British imperialist Cecil Rhodes (who gave his name to Rhodesia) who first proposed a federal world government to be imposed by the US and the British Empire. US President Woodrow Wilson was inspired by a similar concept to draw up his plans for a League of Nations in the aftermath of World War I. Most fascist regimes in the 20s, 30s and 40s of the twentieth century also proposed some sort of NWO – in fact, most styled themselves to be a ‘New Order’. H.G. Wells – he of ‘War of the Worlds’ – wrote ‘The Open Conspiracy’ (1928) in which he describes his efforts to get intellectuals to back the idea of a World Social Democracy and ‘The New World Order’ (1940), in which he details how a generation of struggle will be necessary to overcome the opponents of such a global government.

From this sketchy overview, it might be equally sketchily concluded that One World Government was the mostly benevolent projected outcome of an optimist, positivist, socialist and/or imperialist (or in some cases, national-socialist) world view, a kind of secular New Jerusalem, the best of all possible worlds. The death of communism, which as an ideal expired much earlier than its empire, can be seen as the ultimate argument against this philosophy. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it share that resource equally with the other horses. The philosophy of man is not: work as much as you can, consume as much as you need, but: work as little as you need to, consume as much as you can. Karl Marx defeated by Gordon Gekko.

And yet, optimism persists – for what else can it do? In the face of continuing efforts to better the world, to ‘unify’ it, opposition to NWO-like groups, institutions and intentions have coalesced into a myriad of theories, most of which are of a conspirational nature (I would say that, being in the pay of the Bilderberg Group), all of which fly the flag of freedom (for the secular-minded) or religion (for those who see the End Times brought nearer by the likes of UN Secretary-General Ban-Ki Moon). This is where an overview has to limit itself to naming some of the many conspirational configurations suspected to be secretly running the New World Order. Pick and mix, and create your own conspiracy: the Illuminati, the freemasons, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Jews, the Bilderberg Group, the G-8, the Nazis, the Bretton-Woods agreement, black helicopters, US-alien collusion, the Zionist lobby in cahoots with American Neo-Cons, those out to ‘miscegenate’ and dilute the white race, the House of Windsor, the Antichrist, a cabal of multinational corporations, extraterrestrial reptilians, the United Nations…

I don’t know whether Maurice Gomberg, of whom next to no information is traceable online, was an extraterrestrial reptilian, but he certainly has a Jewish surname, which would make him equally suspect in some circles. Not much more is known of him; it has even been suggested that this map was a Nazi forgery*, to induce fear in America of a communist takeover of the world. But I think it’s safer to assume that this map was an earnest attempt, out of the aforementioned benevolent socialist sentiments, to propose a reorganization of the world that would end war once and for all, and bring “permanent peace, freedom, justice, security and world reconstruction”. Or at least let that be our working assumption in evaluating this map. The main building blocks of his New World Order were to be:



Smaller entities include Eire (the whole of Ireland), Greece (including Albania), Turkey (excluding European Turkey), Hebrewland (the Holy Land plus Jordan) and Japan. The three axis states (Germany, Italy and Japan) were to be ‘quarantained’ until they could be readmitted in the family of nations.

Mr Gomberg possibly took his cue for this map from US president Franklin D. Roosevelt, whose speech about Four Freedoms and a Moral Order (from his State of the Union to the 77-th Congress) he quotes, before outlining his own vision (at the bottom of the map):


“As the USA with the cooperation of the Democracies of Latin-America, the British Commonwealth of Nations and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, assumes world leadership for the establishment of a New World Moral Order for permanent peace, justice, security and world reconstruction.”

“OUR POLICY SHALL BE THIS:

1. We, the U.S.A., in cooperation with our allies, for reasons of our national safety and in the interests of international morality, are determined to crush and completely destroy the military power of the Axis aggressors, and their satellites regardless of cost, effort and time necessary to accomplish this task.

2. The old world order of colonial oppression, exploitation of dominions, rival imperialism and mercenary balance of power diplomacy; of majesties, dictators, privileged minorities, plutocratic monopolists and similar social parasites; the corrupted order responsible for the present world cataclysm, endangering our national safety and peaceful process, shall never rise again.

3. A New World Moral Order for permanent peace and freedom shall be established at the successful conclusion of the present war.

4. For reasons of history, economic structure, favorable geography and the welfare of mankind, the U.S.A. must, altruistically, assume the leadership of the newly established, democratic world order.

5. To reduce the burden and criminal waste of armaments expenditures everywhere in the world, the U.S.A., with the cooperation of Latin-America, the British Commonwealth of Nations, and the U.S.S.R. shall undertake to guarantee peace to the nations which will be permanently disarmed and demilitarized after the conclusion of the present war.

6. In order to be able, in the fulfillment of our obligations, to effectively prevent the possibility of a recurrence of another world cataclysm, the invincibility of the U.S.A. as a military, naval and air power, shall be the major prerequisite.

7. For realistic considerations of strategy and our invulnerability, it is imperative that the U.S.A. shall obtain relinquishment of controls of their possessions from all foreign Powers in the entire Western Hemisphere, it’s surrounding waters and strategic island outposts as outlined on accompanying map.

8. For considerations of hemispheric defense and in the spirit and tradition of the new Monroe Doctrine of hemispheric solidarity and the “Good Neighbor” policy, the U.S.A. with the consent of the Latin-American Republics, shall obtain control and protectorate rights of the relinquished territories.

9. To strengthen our position in the Caribbean area which is of obvious importance to hemispheric defense, all possible inducements shall be offered to our neighbors of Central America and the West Indies to facilitate their entrance as equal states of the U.S.A. as outlined on map.

10. To fortify the politico-economic unity of the Western Hemisphere, the U.S.A. shall promote and assist the unification of South America into a well organized, democratic, federated “United States of South America.”

11. The liberated British, French and Netherlands Guiana shall be reorganized as one state of the U.S.S.A.

12. All Powers shall relinquish their controls of their colonial, mandate and strategic island possessions everywhere in the world.

13. The British Commonwealth of Nations, the second military and naval Power of importance cooperating in a binding compact with the U.S.A. as a Power for freedom, shall retain and acquire control such territories, peace-security bases and strategic islands outposts essential for the maintenance of world peace and freedom as outlines on the map.

14. The U.S.S.R., the third military Power of importance cooperating with the U.S.A. as a Power for freedom and the maintenance of world peace, shall acquire control of the liberated, disorganized adjacent areas and those of Germany-Austria to be re-educated and eventually incorporated as equal republics of the U.S.S.R., as approximately outlined on map.

15. A world League of Nationalities with arbitration and supervision powers shall be organized.

16. A World Court with punitive powers of absolute boycott, quarantine, blockade and occupation by international police, against lawbreakers of international morality shall be organized.

17. The U.S.A. with the close cooperation of the United States of South America, the British Commonwealth of Nations, the U.S.S.R. and the World League of Nationalities, shall promote and assist in the unification of the relinquished territories and the areas at present unsoundly divided into well organized democratic and absolutely demilitarized republics as approximately on the map.

18. The areas known as Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, Switzerland, France, Spain, Portugal, the island of Corsica, and eventually Italy and the islands of Sardinia and Sicily shall be unified as a demilitarized, federated “United States of Europe.”

19. The areas known as Sweden, Norway, Denmark and the Spitsbergen islands shall be unified as a demilitarized, federated “United States of Scandinavia.”

20. The continent of Africa shall be reorganized and unified as a demilitarized, federated “Union of African Republics.”

21. The areas of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Hejas, Aden and Oman, shall be unified as a demilitarized union of “Arabian Federated Republics.”

22. The areas known as India, including Afghanistan, Baluchistan, Nepal, Bhutan and Burma shall be unified as a demilitarized “federated Republics of India.”

23. The areas known as China, Inner Mongolia, Tibet, Thailand, Malaya, Indo-China and Korea, shall be unified as a demilitarized, federated “United Republics of China.”

24. The areas known as Greece, Macedonia, Albania, Crete, Dodecanese and adjacent islands in the Aegean sea shall be unified as a demilitarized “Federal Republic of Greece.”

25. The areas known as Eire and Northern Ireland shall be unified as a demilitarized independent republic of “Eire.”

26. The area of the Holy Land of the ancient Hebrews, at present known as Palestine and Trans-Jordan, and the adjacent requisite regions as outlined on map, for considerations of history and the imperative necessity to alleviate a post war refugee problem, shall be unified as a demilitarized republic of “Hebrewland.”

27. The area known as European Turkey, adjacent to the Dardanelles, sea of Marmora and Bosporus, for considerations of realistic peace strategy shall be placed under joint control of the U.S.S.R. and Turkey.

28. The area known as Turkey shall be a demilitarized independent republic of “Turkey.”

29. All problems of exchange, transfer and repatriation of populations shall be administered by the World League of Nationalities.

30. The criminal perpetrators and their partners in guilt of this hideous war shall be brought to justice and unforgettable punishment administered.

31. All subjects of Japan and all persons of Japanese origin of doubtful loyalty shall be expelled from the entire Western Hemisphere, U.S.A. protectorates and strategic island outposts and their property confiscated for post-war reconstruction needs.

32. All subjects of Germany and Italy and all persons of German and Italian origin known as active supporters of Nazi and fascist ideologies shall be treated similarly.

33. German, Italian, Japanese immigration to the Western Hemisphere, its protectorates and island outposts shall be indefinitely stopped.

34. All persons of German origin in East Prussia and the Rhineland shall be transferred to inner Germany and the regions permanently de-Prussianized.

35. All persons of German, Italian and Japanese origin shall be permanently expelled from their now conquered territories and their property confiscated for post-war construction needs.

36. To cleanse the populations of the defeated Axis aggressors of the intoxication of military chauvinism; to effectuate the removal and destruction of their potential military establishments; to recover the accumulated loot and to re-educate them for their eventual membership in the Family of Nations, the areas of Germany-Austria, Italy and Japan shall be hermetically and indefinitely quarantined and administered by appointed Governors subject to supervision by the world League of Nationalities.

37. All resources, industrial and labor capacity of quarantined areas shall be employed for the post war restoration and reconstruction needs.

38. To reduce the numerical power of the aggressor nations, as a potential military advantage, a Population Control Policy shall be elaborated and applied in the quarantined area.

39. In the New World Moral Order which we seek to establish, besides the essential political freedoms, the following fundamental economic changes are imperative:

(a) Nationalization of all natural resources and equitable distribution of same to all nations…everywhere in the world;

(b) Nationalization of international banking, foreign investments, railroads and power plants….everywhere in the world;

(c) Nationalization of all armaments producing establishments by all military powers;

(d) Federal control of foreign commerce and shipping;

(e) The establishment of a world common monetary system;

(f) World wide limitations of interest rates to a maximum of two percent;

40. To retain the victory and leadership of our united democratic effort….the aim of which is not vengeance or exploitation, but freedom and security to all nations for peaceful progress….the unified “Supreme War Command of the United Nations” at the conclusion of the present war, shall be recognized and transformed into a permanent “Supreme Military and Economic Council” collaborating with the World League of Nationalities in post war construction and to enforce world peace.

41. The “Supreme Military and Economic Council” shall appoint the Governors to administer the quarantined areas until their eventual parole.

For this purposeful beginning we must fight until absolute victory.”
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: RickT September 09, 2008, 06:27:15 PM
I'd say it goes to show how even the NWO aren't perfect in their plans.  It would seem we're already 70+ years behind schedule. No?

Yes, obviously some infighting has been holding things back.  That's OK... maybe we pesky people have on occasion messed up their plans.  As I posted above, it to 58 years to split the North West Territories of Canada in 2, so they aren't exactly pushing this on any timeline.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: knas September 09, 2008, 06:37:59 PM
So who exactly was/is this Maurice Gomberg?
This is most likely no ordinary man, but yet im drawing blank on google...
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: lazarus September 09, 2008, 06:42:58 PM

  • The United States of South America (USSA): ...
    • And finally the British Commonwealth of Nations (BCN),
wow. Ten toes! I was wondering how they where to get 10. How disgustingly smelly!

Thanks for the post.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Freeski September 09, 2008, 06:45:10 PM
Hey Freeski, you should start on www.google.ie and click pages from ireland and search for his name and historian etc....

Sounds like you're only getting US hits there...

Well, the results were "slightly better" with that but there's not much out there. Looks like he's an Irishman from Holyoke, Massachusetts (Elms College) - if it's the same dude.

Marshal award accepted by Thomas Moriarty
http://www.irish-cairde.org/newsletters/may08insert.pdf (Page 3/4)

On September 28, 2008, 2:00 p.m. Dr. Thomas Moriarty, Elms History Professor Emeritus will address the topic: Pope, Patrick and Monk: How Christianity Took Root in Ireland.

"I grew up in a very Irish family in Holyoke.

"Thanks to Elms College with which I’ve been associated for thirty-nine years. When I came to the college I had graduated from Holy Cross, done graduate work at Notre Dame with a dissertation in guess what – Irish history, and had taught in New York."

Seems like SubX has posted some new info though...
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Freeski September 09, 2008, 06:53:43 PM
So who exactly was/is this Maurice Gomberg?
This is most likely no ordinary man, but yet im drawing blank on google...

And why is Thomas Moriarty the implied finder in the original Mirror image? (see pull quote)
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: Rock September 09, 2008, 06:55:04 PM
Nice!  This gets a sticky.


Rock
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: creat3d September 09, 2008, 06:58:45 PM
Sorry to repeat what's already been said but this is a great find indeed. Thanks for posting this!



"Either the US State Department could see into the future or they planned to redraw the world."


Do they even have to ask?
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Sub-X September 09, 2008, 06:59:55 PM
The only thing I can seem to find on with any mention of Thomas Moriarty is the article below.


http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/st-patricks-day/st-patrick-drove-out-the-pagans--not-the-snakes-1318905.html
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: knas September 09, 2008, 07:11:00 PM
More maps: http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/maps/list.html
I'm sure there is more from this source, for example this one

(http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/maps/1900s/1942fortune-map.jpg)

Original size here: http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/maps/1900s/1942fortune-map1600.jpg
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: knas September 09, 2008, 07:29:21 PM
Here is the original source of that Maurice Gomberg map:
http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.gmd/g3200.ct001256

1942 world map. "Outline of post-war new world map" by Maurice Gomberg, Philadelphia, Feb. 25, 1942. Shows protectorates and peace-security bases. Includes quotes from President Franklin Roosevelt's message to the 77th Congress on the State of the Union, including the Four Freedoms and the Moral Order.
SOURCE: Library of Congress Geography and Map Division Washington DC.
DIGITAL ID: g3200 ct001256
http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.gmd/g3200.ct001256

: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Sub-X September 09, 2008, 07:35:23 PM
Outline of post-war new world map (1941)
http://sun-bin.blogspot.com/2006/09/outline-of-post-war-new-world-map-1941.html
24-9-2006




A few sites have summarized the "new order" outlined by Gomberg, note also that the map was completed in October 1941, before Pearl Harbor. The full text of the "order" is listed here. A few highlights relevant to the world order today -- as paraphrased by penncrier.com, emphasized by yours sincerely. I have also skipped the outdated notion of commodity nationalization (globalization and amrekit efficiency seem to be quite effective in solving this problem) and demiliatarizing the "war-mongering" Europe (Europe has quietly evolved past that phrase)

The U.S.A. must, altruistically, assume the leadership of the newly established world order.

The U.S.A., Britain, and the U.S.S.R. will undertake to guarantee peace to the nations, which will be permanently disarmed and demilitarized.

The U.S.A. will become invincible as a military, naval, and air power.

A world common monetary system will be established.

It is interesting to compare this to the pre-WWII, WWII map, and the order created immediately after WWII.

Here are a few obvious notes when comparing this map with that of 1950. (Critique on the flaws of this map does remind me of Kaplanistic foot soldier "I surrounded you, Ha!" march)
the whole of Germany and Austria given to the Great USSR, Iran also a Sovier SSR.

Korea, Indochina, Thailand and Malaya given to China

Burma and Afghanistan to Federated Republic of India (Pakistan was not carved out)
USA expanded, naturally, not only to include the rest of North and Central America (Canada, Mexico, Greenland, Carribean), all islands in North Atlantic as outposts (Iceland, Bermuda, Azores, Canary Is, Cape Verdes), all of the Pacific islands, Sulawesi(Celebes), Taiwan and Hainan -- the 3 Guyana's were said to become a USA state in the text, but not shown in the map

British Commonwealth to give up Africa and South Asia, but retaining Australia/NZ and taking out some of Dutch East Indies (Indonesia)

Other notes: note how Arabian FR and Hebrewland was drawn, Albania with Greece, Northern Ireland with Ireland, Madagascar and Sri Lanka stayed with British Commonwealth

As to how the "world order" should be modified under today's world, I would leave that to our intelligent readers (perhaps a better way to discuss is to open a thread for each one of Gomberg's lines). Some questions to ask/ threads are (especial in the post Kuwait-Iraq world)

One hegemone ("Invincible") vs multiple leader

How crucial is genuine altruism/neutrality of the hegemone? (which also leads to the question of single vs multiple hegemone)

Is there any medium/small nation that owns meaningful (offensive) weapon today? Is there a need for the smaller nations/federates to own meaningful weapon?

If smaller nations do not own meaningful offense/defense, what should the hegemones' commitment to the small be?

How similar/different is Gomberg's new order compared with Thomas Barnett's PNM?

What assumption of Gomberg become (or close to) reality in today's world? How would this change (or not change) the order of 1950s (vs the order Gomberg proposed)?


The Pentagon's New Map-Thomas Barnett (http://www.thomaspmbarnett.com/pnm/)
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Irish Terrorist September 09, 2008, 07:38:58 PM
my bro has it in his paper i told him to scan it and put it on photobucket il post link when he dose it  ;)
its a good story it backs up the documents
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Freeski September 09, 2008, 07:54:27 PM
The only thing I can seem to find on with any mention of Thomas Moriarty is the article below.


http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/st-patricks-day/st-patrick-drove-out-the-pagans--not-the-snakes-1318905.html

Thanks... Thomas or Thomais? He seems like a historian with very little history of himself.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Sub-X September 09, 2008, 07:55:19 PM
The Old New World Order
http://catholicgauze.blogspot.com/2006/09/old-new-world-order.html
September 25, 2006




Remember when Catholicgauze had his crazy cartographic dream about redrawing the Middle East? (http://catholicgauze.blogspot.com/2006/09/redrawing-middle-east.html) Well, in 1941 Maurice Gomberg did something even wilder: he redrew the world and gave detail plans about how the "New World Order" would look.

Sun Bin already has made some key notes so I will point out the more interesting parts. Be sure to check out his blog to download the hi-res version of the map.

North America becomes a protectorate with the "option" of becoming an equal member of the United States. The Monroe Doctrine was alive and well in 1941.

The British Commonwealth does not become part of the United States of Europe. The question of whether the United Kingdom should become part of "Europe" still is a very controversial one. Europhiles and Euroskeptics still are battling each other for control of both the Conservative and Labour Party.

Roosevelt was more pro-Russian than pro-British. He made several comments that the war would not be fought to save the British Empire but he was willing to give Stalin a green light. This feeling must have been more widespread than I originally thought. India, British Africa, and the Falklands are lost. However, Stalin is given all of Eastern Europe including all of Germany and Austria plus Iran! Iran would give the Soviets direct access to the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean. The greater reason of the 1979 invasion of Afghanistan was to eventually secure seaports in the Indian Ocean. Imagine what Stalin could have done.

"Hebrewland" is established in Transjordan with land on both banks of the river Jordan. I am sure the Arabian Federated Republics will not mind.

Germany-Austria, Italy, and Japan are declared "indefinitely quarantined" and placed under a proto-United Nations control. Things get real scary when the Rhineland and East Prussia are "de-Prussianized." Lands like Elsass-Lothringen are given to France along with the Rheinland.
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We Allies apparently had no trouble with the concept of ethnic cleansing. Systematic genocide was also cool with us as "a Population Control Policy shall be applied" in the loser countries to "reduce the numerical power" of the ex-Axis nations.


Foreign businesses and resources are nationalized according to the plan. This was made during the days of Keynesism and before people realized that planned captialism only works in the short term.


The Roma and Kurds still lose.

Just imagine this world. With all of Eastern and the most industrialized parts of Central Europe under the control of Stalin. With Americanized Imperialism instructing all Africans, no matter if they are Arab, Ethiopian, Congolese, or Afrikaans to unite (Rwanda was small and look at the problems from there!). And quarantined areas as models of Allied morals. While I support how we would fought to victory no matter the cost or time, was this the world we truly wanted?
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: David Rothscum September 09, 2008, 08:30:11 PM
http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/maps/1900s/1942world4000.jpg
Hasn't been posted before I believe, easily readible.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: EvadingGrid September 09, 2008, 08:40:04 PM
I find this all fascinating in a macabre fashion, please keep posting folks !


: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Sub-X September 09, 2008, 08:51:11 PM
An Explanation of the Map
http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum/web/new-world-order




This file accompanies and explains the map posted here.

To view the original, go to the Library of Congress. It is a lot harder to navigate and you have to have special software to download.

http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.gmd/g3200.ct001256

Alternatively, you can go directly to the source copy at the Univ. of San Diego site. A little got clipped off the map when the U. of S.D. copied it from the L. of C., but it's the easiest to navigate and to download if that interests you.

http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/maps/1900s/1942world4000.jpg

The map is titled “Outline of Post-War New World Map” and calls for the U.S. to take the lead in establishing a “New World Moral Order”. It was copyrighted and published in Philadelphia, Pa. in 1942 by Maurice Gomberg. Most of us who were aware of the map believe it was actually compiled before Pearl Harbor. It was certainly not put together overnight.

Not all of the changes called for have been realized--yet, but many have. There are probably many reasons why not all have been attained. For one, the plans made by this New World “Moral” Order may have changed. What seemed advantageous to them in 1941 or 42 may not have been in 1945 and still may not be today. For another, it was an incredibly ambitious plan and much resistance was probably felt and time was needed in those areas where force of arms was not expedient. The Moslems also seem to have resisted strongly and been a major stumbling block. Of more importance are those areas where they were successful and in others where progress toward their goals continues slowly to this day.

Examine carefully the area of Eastern Europe and you’ll see such places as the Polish SSR, the Czechian SSR, the Rumanian SSR, and so on. The countries we were told were ceded to the Soviet Union at Yalta by a “sick” FDR already had there fates sealed in 1941 or 42, not in Moscow, but in Philadelphia. You will also see some unrealized segments of the plan such as the Finnish SSR and the Iranian SSR. Too, the eastern block has broken away from the Soviet Union, or so it appears. Is the plan falling apart? Not likely. It’s more likely that the planners see a greater advantage in releasing those countries from their former captivity, possibly to eventually become part of the “United States of Europe (EU).” The EU would otherwise be too small to constitute a regional superstate, which seems to be at least an intermediate goal of these "planners." (At the time I originally wrote this, there was no visible movement toward including those countries in the EU.)

The consolidation of Europe is one of the phases that has been slowly continuing. The first step was the common market. The latest major step was the Euro Dollar. With the countries of Europe sharing a common money supply, it will be difficult to avoid the ultimate end--their sovereignty lost in the European Union. In the meantime, conditioning of the people to accept it will continue. (Again, much of this has been accomplished since I first wrote this.)

Turning to Africa, we see another consolidation--the Union of African Republics. Major stumbling blocks have been removed from the road to this goal -- the white governments of Rhodesia and South Africa. Did it seem just a tad inconsistent and hypocritical when our government condemned and embargoed South Africa for “human rights violations” while granting “Most Favored Nation” status to the country that had savagely raped Tibet?--the country whose government is probably the most brutal and oppressive in history? If you thought it hypocritical, I agree with you. If you thought it inconsistent, I would ask, “With what?” If you’ve taken or will take the time to look at Asia, you’ll see that that peaceful but unfortunate land had already been predestined to be part of the United Republics of China. So the actions of our government in relation to Africa and Asia were consistent with the plans published in 1942. While black Americans and “liberals” cheered the “liberation” of the blacks in Rhodesia and South Africa, the way was cleared to enslave the entire continent.

Again, if we look at Asia, we see poor Tibet already merged into China, along with Sinkiang, Inner Mongolia, Korea, Indo China, and Thailand. With the fall of Vietnam, Laos, and North Korea to Chinese Communism, it shouldn’t take much to make them United “Republics”. As we continue to make China the premiere economic, military, and political power in Asia, it will be difficult for South Korea and Thailand to avoid absorption--if that is still the plan.

The Federal Republics of India were a failure, or so it would seem. Moslem Pakistan didn’t go along with the plan and I wonder how Buddist Burma was to be integrated into India. It would have made more sense as part of China. True, the game in Europe for centuries has been to make sure territorial changes after each war placed a sizable minority in new area gained by the victor. That assured grounds for another war. Maybe that was the idea. If Burma (now Myanmar, I think) were joined to India today, and Thailand became part of China, it would provide an excellent opportunity for war along an extended border in a narrow strip of land.

The best I saved for last--the United States of America. Take notice that the entire North American continent, including Greenland, Canada, Mexico, and Central America are part of the United States. Think it can’t happen here? NAFTA? CAFTA? Like the Common Market, NAFTA and CAFTA are the first steps. Is illegal immigration from Mexico unstoppable or is it a means of creating a sort of Fifth Column that might eventually ease the merger with Mexico? If the planners of this New World “Moral” Order do get their way, our sovereignty and our Constitution will be lost forever. (At the time of the writing of this revision, negotiations are already underway between Bush, Martin of Canada, and Fox of Mexico to create a North American Union. The claim is made that this is for trade purposes only and not a political union, but you can bet the political union will follow. Eventually, the rest of North America will be included. As plans for the NAU continue behind the backs of the American people a “Trans-Texas Highway” is also in progress. Called by many the “NAFTA Highway,” it will disect Texas and terminate initially in Kansas City at a Mexican customs building. That building will have the same status as an Embassy. It will be considered Mexican soil. Cargo-tainers will be offloaded from Chinese ships in Mexican ports, by-passing the Longshoremen and our West Coast ports. More jobs for Mexicans at the expense of Americans.)

Be sure to read the outline of the plan. To cut the map size, I posted a separate file. For those who can connect the dots, it explains a lot of what has been happening in recent years. By the way, the idea of the U.S. as world policeman was not new. Cecil Rhodes dreamed of the U.S. taking over England's self-appointed role more than a century ago.

I've had my blueprint copy of the map for over thirty years. Those of us who had a copy or knew of it are not certain who was behind it, but we made a strong guess that it was the World Federalists. They and other similar organizations have enjoyed substantial support from the international financiers and their tax free foundations. Some have suggested the Carnegie Funds and Foundations are behind it. The financiers seek a world government of, by, and for themselves. The larger and more remote the government is the less control we at the bottom will have as power shifts to the top. Through the control of all natural resources as the outline of the plan shows, the international financiers and the multi-national megacorporations will come to own or control all means of production.

World Government is propagandized as a great boon to mankind, but the humanity will be sucked from us as the entire human race is reduced to serfdom or slavery—to the status of cattle.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Sub-X September 09, 2008, 09:21:20 PM
Map Gomberga
Gomberga (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.kki.pl/piojar/polemiki/novus/gomberg/gomberg.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=8&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMaurice%2BGomberg%2B1941%2Bworld%2Bmap%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4HPIB_en___IE211%26sa%3DN)


Translated very badly by google  ::)


There are sceptics who do not believe in the possibility of the existence of political spisków, both national and international, but they are tangible proof of the facts. Jednym z nich jest, obecnie zapomniana, tzw. One of them is now forgotten, the so-called. "Mapa Gomberga", o której dość obszernie pisze Aleksander Gella, w pr acy zbiorowej, wydanej pod tytułem „Sprawy polskie w perspektywie światowej" (Londyn, 1985). Co to jest „Mapa Gomberga"? "Gomberga Map", which was fairly extensively writes Alexander Gella, pr acy collective, published under the title "Polish affairs in the world" (London, 1985). What is a "Map Gomberga"? Jak podaje ks.prof. As ks.prof. M.Poradowski ([2] str. 42), chodzi tutaj o mapę polityczną przyszłego świata, która  została wydrukowana  jako kolorowa mapa ścienna o wymiarach 100 na 71 centymetrów. M. Poradowski ([2] p. 42), deals with the future world political map, which was printed as a colorful map of the wall measuring about 100 at 71 centimetres. Napis na niej informuje, że chodzi tu o „ Zarys powojennej mapy Nowego Świata" (Outline of Post-War New World Map). Autorzy mapy, stanowiący bliżej nieznaną grupę, usiłowali wywrzeć wrażenie, że przemawiają w imieniu rządu USA, umieszczając na mapie napis: " My, USA, we współpracy z Demokracjami Ameryki Łacińskiej, Brytyjską Wspólnotą Narodów i Zjednoczonymi Sowieckimi Socjalistycznymi Republikami, przyjmujemy światowe przywództwo dla ustanowienia Nowego Światowego Moralnego Porządku w celu trwałego pokoju, wolności, sprawiedliwości, bezpieczeństwa i rekonstrukcji świata. " U spodu mapy znalazł się także program zawarty w 41 punktach, który zaczyna się od słów "Taka będzie nasza polityka" (Our Policy shall be this) ([1] str. 208). The inscription on it advises that it is a "Outline of the post-war map of the New World" (Outline of Post-War New World Map). Authors maps, which is closer to an unknown group, tried to have the impression that speak on behalf of the U.S. government, by putting the words on the map "We, the United States, in cooperation with Demokracjami Latin America, the British and the United Nations Sowieckimi Socjalistycznymi Republics, we assume global leadership for the establishment of the New World Order Moralnego to lasting peace, freedom, justice, security and reconstruction of the world." At the bottom of maps found Also included in the program 41 points, which begins with the words "This is our policy" (Our Policy shall be this) ([1] p. 208).

The roadmap was released in 1942 in Philadelphia, however, in its upper left corner of odbito stamp that says "COMPLETED OCTOBER 1941." Oznacza to ,że inicjatorzy "nowego moralnego porządku świata" ustalili swoje plany jeszcze przed przystąpieniem Stanów Zjednoczonych do wojny. This means that the initiators "new moral order of the world" have set their plans before the accession of the United States into war. Wydawcą mapy, zastrzegającym sobie prawa przedruku, był niejaki  Maurice Gomberg, o którym A.Gella pisze ([1] str. 208), że " wedle dawnych znajomych czy przyjaciół p. Gomberga, był on emigrantem "gdzieś ze wschodniej Europy". Z zawodu był zegarmistrzem. Formalnego wykształcenia nie posiadał, nie mniej jednak uważano go za wybitnie inteligentnego. Podobno nie był członkiem, a jedynie sympatykiem Komunistycznej Partii Ameryki. Natomiast nie bez pewnej dozy ironii wspominają jego dawni znajomi, że Mr. Gomberg nigdy nie wyrażał swych opinii p rzed przeczytaniem ostatniego numeru dziennika "Freiheit". Dziennik ten wspomina znany pisarz amerykański Irving Howe: ' ...komunistyczny dziennik w języku jidysz wychodzący od 1922 roku, który przez sześć czy siedem lat cieszył się udziałem literackich talentów.' (...)  ." Wydawcą maps, zastrzegającym presented in the law itself, was niejaki Maurice Gomberg, of whom A. Gella writes ([1] p. 208) that "according to former acquaintances or friends of Mr. Gomberga, emigrantem he was" somewhere in the east of Europe ". the occupation was zegarmistrzem. Formalnego education is not held, not less, however, considered it as being extremely intelligent. Apparently it was not a member, but only sympatykiem Communist Party of America. In contrast, not without a certain degree of irony mention of his former friends that Mr.. Gomberg never expressed their views p rzed viewing last issue, the daily "freedom." Journal of this well-known American writer mentions Irving Howe: '... the Communist daily newspaper in Yiddish from 1922 outgoing year, which for six or seven years enjoyed the participation of literary talent.' (... ). "

The most important is that the authors of maps extremely accurately przewidzieli or planned to further the future of the world half a century. Pomylili się , lub nie zrealizowali jedynie kilku punktów swojego planu - na przykład na omawianej mapie Iran i Finlandia zostały włączone do sowieckiego bloku jako "Iranian SSR" i "Finnish SSR" ([1] str. 209). Pomylili, or not realized only a few points of his plan - for example on the map of the Iran and Finland have been incorporated into the Soviet bloc as "the Iranian SSR" and "Finnish SSR ([1] p. 209). Wiedzieli oni dobrze, że utworzenie jednego ośrodka władzy dla całego globu było w latach czterdziestych marzeniem przedwczesnym, dlatego dążyli do przeistoczenia świata w wielkie zespoły ponadnarodowe (komunistyczne). They Wiedzieli well that the establishment of a single centre of power for the entire world was in the forties dream premature, and therefore sought to transubstantiation world in the great trans-national teams (communist). Jak podaje punkt 40 ich programu, celem tych przemian miała być nie "zemsta i eksploatacja, ale wolność i bezpieczeństwo wszystkich narodów ." ([1] str. 211). According to paragraph 40 of their programme, the purpose of these changes was to be no "vengeance and exploitation, but freedom and security of all nations." ([1] p. 211). Jak wyglądała w praktyce owa "wolność i bezpieczeństwo" choćby w bloku sowieckim , powszechnie wiadomo.  Tak więc mapa  „Nowego Światowego Ładu Moralnego" dzieli glob ziemski na kilka takich ponaddnarodowych całości - między innymi:  panamerykańską, pansowiecką, panbrytyjską, paneuropejską i panafrykańską. Gwarantami "pokoju" (czy też raczej "żandarmami") w tym nowy świecie miały być przede wszystkim Stany Zjednoczone, Brytyjska Wspólnota Narodów i ZSRR, zaś pozostałe obszary globu miały zostać poddane demilitaryzacji. W celu utrzymania tego "nowego porządku" zaplanowano istnienie kilkunastu tzw. "Baz Pokoju" - "Peace-Security Bases" (czerwone i niebieskie trójkąty na mapie), w praktyce zapewne baz wojskowych, szczególnie licznie uwidocznionych na północnych obrzeżach kontynentu afrykańskiego. How do I look in practice this "freedom and security" even in the Soviet bloc, commonly known. So map "New World Order Moralnego" terrestrial globe is divided into several such ponaddnarodowych whole - among other things: panamerykańską, pansowiecką, panbrytyjską, pan and panafrykańską. Gwarantami "Peace" (or rather "żandarmami") in this new world were to be primarily the United States, British Commonwealth and the Soviet Union, while the remaining areas of the world were to be put to the demilitarisation. In order to maintain this "new order" is scheduled dozen or so-called existence. "Baz Peace" - "Peace and Security Bases" (red and blue triangles on the map), in practice, probably military bases, particularly numerous uwidocznionych the northern outskirts of the African continent.

Jeśli chodzi o Europę , t o niemal w całości została ona oddana Związkowi Sowieckiemu. As for Europe, t almost in its entirety has been reflected Sowieckiemu Union. Prawie wszystkie kraje aż do Renu, do granicy Francji: Polskę, Niemcy, Danię, Holandię, Belgię, Austrię, Jugosławię, Rumunię, Bułgarię, z wyjątkiem Grecji, Włoch, Francji i Hiszpanii oraz Szwecji i Norwegii ([2] str. 43).   Szczególnie interesującymi są granice Czechosłowacji, już wtedy podzielone na Czechy i Słowację, Jugosławii (zobacz Albania). Almost all countries until the Rhine, to the border of France, Poland, Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria, with the exception of Greece, Italy, France and Spain and Sweden and Norway ([2] p. 43) . Particularly interesting are the borders of Czechoslovakia, already split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia, Yugoslavia (see Albania). Polska miała istnieć jedynie jako jedna z republik Związku Sowieckiego (Polish SSR). Poland had to exist only as one of the republics of the Soviet Union (Polish SSR). Już wówczas zaplanowano utworzenie Izraela, nazwanego - Hebrewland, (kolor zielony) i Unii Europejskiej (United States of Europe). Already the planned creation of Israel, named - Hebrewland, (green) and the European Union (United States of Europe). Zresztą o utworzeniu państwa żydowskiego mówi wyraźnie punkt 26 programu. Moreover, for the formation of the Jewish state says clearly point 26. Tak więc jeśli chodzi o Europę, to jej sytuacja realna po drugiej wojnie światowej niewiele różni się od projektu Mapy Gomberga. So when it comes to Europe, its real situation after the Second World War, little different from the draft maps Gomberga.

Stany Zjednoczone także zostają hojnie obdzielone: całą Kanadą, całym Meksykiem i całą Ameryką Centralną.  Wprawdzie rozciągnięcie się Stanów Zjednoczonych na Kanadę, Meksyk i Amerykę Centralną, jak to zapowiadała "Mapa Gomberga", nie doszło do skutku, tym niemniej  zaraz po wojnie, powstała Organizacja Państw Amerykańskich obejmująca Amerykę Centralną i Południową. The United States also are generously obdzielone: all Canada, Mexico and throughout the whole of Central America. While the extension to the United States to Canada, Mexico and Central America, as announced, "Gomberga Map", there was no effect, however that immediately after the war, was Organization of American States, including Central and South America. Inne propozycje "Mapy Gomberga" także zostały - chociaż częściowo iw nieco odmiennej formie - zrealizowane (państwa afrykańskie oraz Bliski i Daleki Wschód) ([2] str. 43). Other proposals for "Maps Gomberga" were also - although partially and slightly different form - done (African countries and the Middle and Far East) ([2] p. 43). Co ciekawe w niektórych punktach programu (np. punkt 33)  zamieszczonego u spodu mapy występują pewne treści świadczące o stosowaniu przez jego autorów tzw. Interestingly, in some points of the program (for example, section 33) stated at the bottom of the map are providing some content of the application by the authors of the so-called. "odpowiedzialności zbiorowej" za wybuch II wojny światowej, w stosunku do wszystkich osób narodowości japońskiej, niemieckiej i włoskiej. "collective responsibility" for the outbreak of World War II, in relation to all of ethnic Japanese, German and Italian.

Excerpts FLOOD GOMBERGA for Europe. Szczególnie interesującymi są granice Czechosłowacji, już wtedy podzielone na Czechy i Słowację, Jugosławii (zobacz Albania) i Izraela, nazwanego - Hebrewland, (kolor zielony) . Particularly interesting are the borders of Czechoslovakia, already split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia, Yugoslavia (see Albania) and Israel, named - Hebrewland, (green). Polska miała istnieć jedynie jako jedna z republik Związku Sowieckie g o (Polish SSR). Poland had to exist only as one of the republics of the Union of Soviet g o (Polish SSR). Wtedy także przewidziano utworzenie Unii Europejskiej (United States of Europe).  Analizując granice państw i stref okazuje się, że zasadniczo zgadzają się one z graniami powojennymi za wyjątkiem jedynie kilku szczegółów. And he also foresees the creation of the European Union (United States of Europe). Analysing the borders of countries and areas, it appears that they agree in principle with graniami post with the exception of only a few details. np. Iranu i Finlandii - które występują jako republiki Związku Sowieckiego. such as Iran and Finland - which will act as the republics of the Soviet Union.

Na zakończenie warto podkreślić, że jak pisze M.Poradowski - " nie chodzi nam tu jednak o to, w jakim stopniu plany polityczne Mapy Gomberga zostały zrealizowane, lecz o sam fakt istnienia owych planów, czyli fakt istnienia konspiracji politycznej i to na tak wielką, bo odnoszącą się prawie do całego świata skalę. Jest to więc dokument wyjątkowej wagi, który zaświadcza istnienie sekretnych ośrodków władzy politycznej, które posługują się publicznymi i znanymi instytucjami, jak obecnie Narody Zjednoczone, czy Unia Europejska itd ." ([2] str. 44). Finally, it should be stressed that, as writes M. Poradowski - "does not concern us here, however, to the extent to which plans Gomberga political maps have been completed, but the mere existence of these plans, namely the existence of a political conspiracy and to be so great, because the law relating to the whole world scale. It is therefore a document of exceptional gravity, which certifies the existence of secret centres of political power, which use the public and well-known institutions, as at present the United Nations or the European Union, etc.. "([2] p. 44 ). Ponadto punkt 39 programu odsłania prawdziwe cele jego autorów, którzy pod pozorem "zapewnienia pokoju" na świecie chcą w istocie zrealizować swój własny plan ekonomicznego i militarnego podporządkowania sobie całego globu ziemskiego. In addition, section 39 program reveals the real objectives of its authors, who are under the reason "to ensure peace in the world, in fact, want to implement its own plan for economic and military subordination to each other around the globe on earth. W punkcie tym postulują oni bowiem "znacjonalizowanie" wszelkich dóbr naturalnych, fabryk,  wprowadzenie światowej kontroli nad handlem wewnętrznym i utworzenie jednego globalnego systemu monetarnego, ekonomicznego i finansowego. At the point that they will call for "znacjonalizowanie" any natural treasures, plants, the introduction of global control over internal trade and create a single global monetary system, economic and financial support. W praktyce oznacza to wprowadzenie "żelaznej dyktatury światowej " postulowanej od dawna przez architektów "Nowego Porządku Świata" . In practice, this means the implementation of the "iron dictatorship world" has long been postulated by the architects of the "New World Order."
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: sifromeire September 09, 2008, 09:22:40 PM
Great info Subx, nice one...

But how come the press are reporting some historian finding it?

Are they trying to wake people up?  ???
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: dogmadestroyer September 09, 2008, 09:26:24 PM
Map Gomberga
Gomberga (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.kki.pl/piojar/polemiki/novus/gomberg/gomberg.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=8&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMaurice%2BGomberg%2B1941%2Bworld%2Bmap%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4HPIB_en___IE211%26sa%3DN)


Translated very badly by google  ::)

Polengelska!?

Interesting map though. I'm glad that the Soviet Union didn't get its hands on that much territory and have yet more people under that government.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: thrashbassist September 09, 2008, 09:49:03 PM
Still looks like a fairly realistic depiction of what could actually happen, though now it would probably be only 6 or 7 interlocking super states.

I loved that little NWO credo by the way. Yes! Away with dictatorships and fighting, now it's time to for the whole world to line up behind one super dictatorship! Then ONLY the police and military worldwide will be armed! Yeah, let's do that!

Ironically, almost all international conflicts have been deliberately orchestrated to achieve this very goal. If it wasn't for the f*cking elite, who knows where we'd be. We would probably have first-world prosperity the world over.

You know, a united world government wouldn't be such a bad idea if we were all sane.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Dig September 10, 2008, 06:45:15 AM
Sub-X, thanks for all of the additional research.  I think the agenda is worth repeating even though it is posted earlier:

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“As the USA with the cooperation of the Democracies of Latin-America, the British Commonwealth of Nations and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, assumes world leadership for the establishment of a New World Moral Order for permanent peace, justice, security and world reconstruction.”

“OUR POLICY SHALL BE THIS:

1. We, the U.S.A., in cooperation with our allies, for reasons of our national safety and in the interests of international morality, are determined to crush and completely destroy the military power of the Axis aggressors, and their satellites regardless of cost, effort and time necessary to accomplish this task.

2. The old world order of colonial oppression, exploitation of dominions, rival imperialism and mercenary balance of power diplomacy; of majesties, dictators, privileged minorities, plutocratic monopolists and similar social parasites; the corrupted order responsible for the present world cataclysm, endangering our national safety and peaceful process, shall never rise again.

3. A New World Moral Order for permanent peace and freedom shall be established at the successful conclusion of the present war.

4. For reasons of history, economic structure, favorable geography and the welfare of mankind, the U.S.A. must, altruistically, assume the leadership of the newly established, democratic world order.

5. To reduce the burden and criminal waste of armaments expenditures everywhere in the world, the U.S.A., with the cooperation of Latin-America, the British Commonwealth of Nations, and the U.S.S.R. shall undertake to guarantee peace to the nations which will be permanently disarmed and demilitarized after the conclusion of the present war.

6. In order to be able, in the fulfillment of our obligations, to effectively prevent the possibility of a recurrence of another world cataclysm, the invincibility of the U.S.A. as a military, naval and air power, shall be the major prerequisite.

7. For realistic considerations of strategy and our invulnerability, it is imperative that the U.S.A. shall obtain relinquishment of controls of their possessions from all foreign Powers in the entire Western Hemisphere, it’s surrounding waters and strategic island outposts as outlined on accompanying map.

8. For considerations of hemispheric defense and in the spirit and tradition of the new Monroe Doctrine of hemispheric solidarity and the “Good Neighbor” policy, the U.S.A. with the consent of the Latin-American Republics, shall obtain control and protectorate rights of the relinquished territories.

9. To strengthen our position in the Caribbean area which is of obvious importance to hemispheric defense, all possible inducements shall be offered to our neighbors of Central America and the West Indies to facilitate their entrance as equal states of the U.S.A. as outlined on map.

10. To fortify the politico-economic unity of the Western Hemisphere, the U.S.A. shall promote and assist the unification of South America into a well organized, democratic, federated “United States of South America.”

11. The liberated British, French and Netherlands Guiana shall be reorganized as one state of the U.S.S.A.

12. All Powers shall relinquish their controls of their colonial, mandate and strategic island possessions everywhere in the world.

13. The British Commonwealth of Nations, the second military and naval Power of importance cooperating in a binding compact with the U.S.A. as a Power for freedom, shall retain and acquire control such territories, peace-security bases and strategic islands outposts essential for the maintenance of world peace and freedom as outlines on the map.

14. The U.S.S.R., the third military Power of importance cooperating with the U.S.A. as a Power for freedom and the maintenance of world peace, shall acquire control of the liberated, disorganized adjacent areas and those of Germany-Austria to be re-educated and eventually incorporated as equal republics of the U.S.S.R., as approximately outlined on map.

15. A world League of Nationalities with arbitration and supervision powers shall be organized.

16. A World Court with punitive powers of absolute boycott, quarantine, blockade and occupation by international police, against lawbreakers of international morality shall be organized.

17. The U.S.A. with the close cooperation of the United States of South America, the British Commonwealth of Nations, the U.S.S.R. and the World League of Nationalities, shall promote and assist in the unification of the relinquished territories and the areas at present unsoundly divided into well organized democratic and absolutely demilitarized republics as approximately on the map.

18. The areas known as Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg, Switzerland, France, Spain, Portugal, the island of Corsica, and eventually Italy and the islands of Sardinia and Sicily shall be unified as a demilitarized, federated “United States of Europe.”

19. The areas known as Sweden, Norway, Denmark and the Spitsbergen islands shall be unified as a demilitarized, federated “United States of Scandinavia.”

20. The continent of Africa shall be reorganized and unified as a demilitarized, federated “Union of African Republics.”

21. The areas of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Hejas, Aden and Oman, shall be unified as a demilitarized union of “Arabian Federated Republics.”

22. The areas known as India, including Afghanistan, Baluchistan, Nepal, Bhutan and Burma shall be unified as a demilitarized “federated Republics of India.”

23. The areas known as China, Inner Mongolia, Tibet, Thailand, Malaya, Indo-China and Korea, shall be unified as a demilitarized, federated “United Republics of China.”

24. The areas known as Greece, Macedonia, Albania, Crete, Dodecanese and adjacent islands in the Aegean sea shall be unified as a demilitarized “Federal Republic of Greece.”

25. The areas known as Eire and Northern Ireland shall be unified as a demilitarized independent republic of “Eire.”

26. The area of the Holy Land of the ancient Hebrews, at present known as Palestine and Trans-Jordan, and the adjacent requisite regions as outlined on map, for considerations of history and the imperative necessity to alleviate a post war refugee problem, shall be unified as a demilitarized republic of “Hebrewland.”

27. The area known as European Turkey, adjacent to the Dardanelles, sea of Marmora and Bosporus, for considerations of realistic peace strategy shall be placed under joint control of the U.S.S.R. and Turkey.

28. The area known as Turkey shall be a demilitarized independent republic of “Turkey.”

29. All problems of exchange, transfer and repatriation of populations shall be administered by the World League of Nationalities.

30. The criminal perpetrators and their partners in guilt of this hideous war shall be brought to justice and unforgettable punishment administered.

31. All subjects of Japan and all persons of Japanese origin of doubtful loyalty shall be expelled from the entire Western Hemisphere, U.S.A. protectorates and strategic island outposts and their property confiscated for post-war reconstruction needs.

32. All subjects of Germany and Italy and all persons of German and Italian origin known as active supporters of Nazi and fascist ideologies shall be treated similarly.

33. German, Italian, Japanese immigration to the Western Hemisphere, its protectorates and island outposts shall be indefinitely stopped.

34. All persons of German origin in East Prussia and the Rhineland shall be transferred to inner Germany and the regions permanently de-Prussianized.

35. All persons of German, Italian and Japanese origin shall be permanently expelled from their now conquered territories and their property confiscated for post-war construction needs.

36. To cleanse the populations of the defeated Axis aggressors of the intoxication of military chauvinism; to effectuate the removal and destruction of their potential military establishments; to recover the accumulated loot and to re-educate them for their eventual membership in the Family of Nations, the areas of Germany-Austria, Italy and Japan shall be hermetically and indefinitely quarantined and administered by appointed Governors subject to supervision by the world League of Nationalities.

37. All resources, industrial and labor capacity of quarantined areas shall be employed for the post war restoration and reconstruction needs.

38. To reduce the numerical power of the aggressor nations, as a potential military advantage, a Population Control Policy shall be elaborated and applied in the quarantined area.

39. In the New World Moral Order which we seek to establish, besides the essential political freedoms, the following fundamental economic changes are imperative:

(a) Nationalization of all natural resources and equitable distribution of same to all nations…everywhere in the world;

(b) Nationalization of international banking, foreign investments, railroads and power plants….everywhere in the world;

(c) Nationalization of all armaments producing establishments by all military powers;

(d) Federal control of foreign commerce and shipping;

(e) The establishment of a world common monetary system;

(f) World wide limitations of interest rates to a maximum of two percent;

40. To retain the victory and leadership of our united democratic effort….the aim of which is not vengeance or exploitation, but freedom and security to all nations for peaceful progress….the unified “Supreme War Command of the United Nations” at the conclusion of the present war, shall be recognized and transformed into a permanent “Supreme Military and Economic Council” collaborating with the World League of Nationalities in post war construction and to enforce world peace.

41. The “Supreme Military and Economic Council” shall appoint the Governors to administer the quarantined areas until their eventual parole.

For this purposeful beginning we must fight until absolute victory.”
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How much of the 41 points have been accomplished?

How much is still being pushed by elites?
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: scary September 10, 2008, 07:49:11 AM
God bless the Irish for not being morons.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Matthew September 10, 2008, 04:55:03 PM
WHEN WAS THIS PRINTED?? Thanks.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Sub-X September 10, 2008, 05:03:41 PM
WHEN WAS THIS PRINTED?? Thanks.


The original articles posted by the OP were printed in yesterdays papers.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Matthew September 10, 2008, 05:08:28 PM

The original articles posted by the OP were printed in yesterdays papers.

Thanks a lot.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Overgrown September 11, 2008, 02:18:40 PM
Lunatics

Can they prove who it came from or its authenticity?

I hope it gets more attention and more of a reaction than just here and maybe a couple other sites. this needs to be made mainstream.

#2, 3 & 30 - sounds like Bush when he said that anyone who has connections with osama is guilty and shall be brought to justice. the criminals who began this war will be brought to justice. they call for justice to themselves. Totally insane, corrupt lunatics running things. Incriminating themselves with this document or saying that they somehow OWN the future in their crystal ball.

#38 - looks like they are still planning that one... full steam ahead.

Overall, it makes perfect sense now. going out into all the world, conquering and to conquer. they are going for it. shovin russia around, doin Iraq, afganistan and iran soon. power hungry war mongers who ride the white horse. not positive of course, but sure looks like it. At least they want to be that horse.

How arrogant to think that they know whats best. why dont they take themselves out first, we'll just say that were going too. all eugenicists. Start with Awnold. Tell them that we've altered a vaccine that will make it possible for them to come back as a virus. but its specific to their DNA.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: kulgion July 20, 2009, 03:06:13 PM
Excellent Post!!!

Makes me wonder if Eisenhower knew about this.  After all, wasn't Patton prevented from trying to take Berlin?

Why bother?  Right?  If the entire nation of Germany is supposed to become a Soviet Republic anyway.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: luckee1 July 20, 2009, 03:15:43 PM
Bump
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: birgit July 20, 2009, 03:19:45 PM
Has anyone ever read this? Its only about 37 pages.
talks of world war III starting in 1948...
 http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/index.shtml

I refer to those who have dealt with this  lot longer,
it seems  valid to me..makes a lot  of sense when you
 look at  what we are living now.
But again, I am  relatively
new to the global level scam on all of us.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: sociostudent July 20, 2009, 05:02:09 PM
Has anyone ever read this? Its only about 37 pages.
talks of world war III starting in 1948...
 http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/sw4qw/index.shtml

I refer to those who have dealt with this  lot longer,
it seems  valid to me..makes a lot  of sense when you
 look at  what we are living now.
But again, I am  relatively
new to the global level scam on all of us.


I've heard of it, but have not read it the whole way through. I'm pretty sure it's legit.
: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: Bash Riprock July 20, 2009, 11:27:18 PM
FLASHBACK: CIA/OSS MURDERED PATTON

General George S. Patton was assassinated to silence his criticism of allied war leaders

....But his ambition to get to Berlin before Soviet forces was thwarted by supreme allied commander Dwight D. Eisenhower, who gave Patton's petrol supplies to the more cautious British General Bernard Montgomery.

Patton, who distrusted the Russians, believed Eisenhower wrongly prevented him closing the so-called Falaise Gap in the autumn of 1944, allowing hundreds of thousands of German troops to escape to fight again,. This led to the deaths of thousands of Americans during their winter counter-offensive that became known as the Battle of the Bulge.

In order to placate Stalin, the 3rd Army was also ordered to a halt as it reached the German border and was prevented from seizing either Berlin or Prague, moves that could have prevented Soviet domination of Eastern Europe after the war.


Mr Wilcox told The Sunday Telegraph: "Patton was going to resign from the Army. He wanted to go to war with the Russians. The administration thought he was nuts.

"He also knew secrets of the war which would have ruined careers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/General-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-allied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/General-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-allied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html)


: Re: Irish Historian finds New World Order plan map from 1941 (MSM)
: luckee1 July 23, 2009, 01:20:36 PM
FLASHBACK: CIA/OSS MURDERED PATTON

General George S. Patton was assassinated to silence his criticism of allied war leaders

....But his ambition to get to Berlin before Soviet forces was thwarted by supreme allied commander Dwight D. Eisenhower, who gave Patton's petrol supplies to the more cautious British General Bernard Montgomery.

Patton, who distrusted the Russians, believed Eisenhower wrongly prevented him closing the so-called Falaise Gap in the autumn of 1944, allowing hundreds of thousands of German troops to escape to fight again,. This led to the deaths of thousands of Americans during their winter counter-offensive that became known as the Battle of the Bulge.

In order to placate Stalin, the 3rd Army was also ordered to a halt as it reached the German border and was prevented from seizing either Berlin or Prague, moves that could have prevented Soviet domination of Eastern Europe after the war.


Mr Wilcox told The Sunday Telegraph: "Patton was going to resign from the Army. He wanted to go to war with the Russians. The administration thought he was nuts.

"He also knew secrets of the war which would have ruined careers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/General-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-allied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/General-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-allied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html)

Funny I had a customer on the phone yesterday works/ed at the patton museum, I asked what his take was on Pattons death, He knows the truth.  Gave him more info about here.