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9/11/2001 Attacks Were An Inside Job => 9/11 Material & Research => War Games / Foreknowledge => : jimd3100 July 27, 2008, 10:20:28 AM

: 9/11 - FBI Documents reveal cover up!
: jimd3100 July 27, 2008, 10:20:28 AM
Two of the hijackers were reported to be living with an FBI informant. Lets look into this interesting fact. By ways of the public record..............

First off, the CIA were tracking the hijackers and knew they were mujihadeen and associated with so called terrorists. They deliberately let them into the U.S.

"A former landlord of two of the September 11 hijackers was an FBI informant at the time, knowledgeable sources confirm to CNN."
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/11/ar911.hijackers.landlord/


"U.S. intelligence officials said that in January of 2000, when Almidhar and Alhazmi attended a meeting of known terrorists in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, that fact was communicated by the CIA to the FBI."
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/11/ar911.hijackers.landlord/

So the high ups in the FBI were told of these guys already, but the FBI denies this. The head of the FBI at this time was Louis Freeh.

"The FBI contends the agency was never told about the two men before August 23 and says it can find no record of any such communication between CIA and FBI to show the information might have been overlooked. The FBI has maintained that position in its dealings with congressional investigators and has asked the CIA to document, if possible, having sent word earlier."
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/11/ar911.hijackers.landlord/

And Later the DOJ IG had it's own whitewash report which admitted this.....
"In addition to formal methods of communicating by the CIA to the FBI, much information can be shared with the FBI informally.....In addition, meetings are sometimes held to discuss a matter or a piece of intelligence that is of value to both agencies.....However, they said that not every telephone call or conversation was documented."
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/fbi-911/chap5.pdf

CIA exchanged info with the FBI even as far back as Jan 2000..... from the report...
"It appears that this first Malaysia meetings cable was provided to the FBI.
This January 5 threat update reflected an almost verbatim recitation of
portions of the CIA's first Malaysia meetings cable, including the same
spelling mistake in reference to a particular place in Malaysia, which indicates
that the CIA provided a copy of the first Malaysia meetings cable to the FBI. However; we were not able to determine who in the FBI received this
information from the CIA or who edited the January 5 threat update."
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/fbi-911/chap5.pdf

And frankly not only was it documented.... the FBI was asking the CIA about these guys and one CIA member called "James" covered his ass on this......
"James wrote these e-mails in response to an e-mail from another CIA employee who was detailed to the FBI SIOC. That employee reported on the morning of January 6 that he had been asked by an FBI employee for the latest on Mihdhar. James responded in a series of e-mails that he had already briefed the FBI. The final e-mail by James sets forth the details of his briefings."
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/fbi-911/chap5.pdf

James responded in a series of e-mails that he had already briefed the FBI.      But did he really?

Well, what does "James" have to say?
"As previously mentioned, James told the CIA OIG that he had no recollection of these events. He declined to be interviewed by us."
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/fbi-911/chap5.pdf

How about that huh?

"Some members of the congressional committee investigating the intelligence failures and the September 11 attacks knew about the relationship between the landlord and the FBI, and the point will probably come up when the panel holds public hearings, expected later this month."
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/11/ar911.hijackers.landlord/

Public hearings! Hooray! That should be real interesting! But guess what?

"The Federal Bureau of Investigation had a confidential informer who rented rooms in California to two of the Sept. 11 hijackers, but the bureau is resisting a request from the Congressional committee investigating the attacks to interview the informer and his F.B.I. handler, government officials said."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04E7DA153BF935A35753C1A9649C8B63

"Several officials said the F.B.I. had rebuffed requests to make the informer available to the committee and would not authorize the agent who was his contact to testify."

"But Congressional investigators say the F.B.I.'s efforts to block their inquiry makes them skeptical of the bureau's assertions about the informer. They also say the Justice Department has joined the F.B.I. in fighting the Congressional requests for information related to the matter, escalating tensions."
 

The fight over access to the informer is the latest bitter dispute between the committee and the Bush administration and the intelligence and law enforcement agencies that are the subject of the committee's investigation"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04E7DA153BF935A35753C1A9649C8B63

In other words Mueller and Ashcroft by order of G Bush are obstructing justice and investigation into 9/11.

But they were unsuccessful as far as the FBI agent goes. He did testify. And we are not allowed to know what he said. It is his testimony that those famous 28 pages redacted were mostly about. But we can piece some of it together.

"Separately, documents made public in federal court in Alexandria, Va., late last month showed that the Justice Department sought unsuccessfully to prevent F.B.I. agents, and the bureau's director, Robert S. Mueller III, from testifying publicly before the joint inquiry."

"Mr. Midhar and Mr. Alhazmi, who were among the hijackers on the American Airlines plane that crashed into the Pentagon, were identified as Qaeda operatives by the C.I.A. in January 2001. But the C.I.A. did not ask the State Department to place their names on a watch list intended to prevent entry into the United States until late August. By then, they were both in the country."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A04E7DA153BF935A35753C1A9649C8B63

That was intentional BTW. So what about this FBI Agent testifying,(that Ashcroft and Mueller tried to prevent) who was the handler of this informant?......

"On October 9, members of the special congressional committee investigating the 9/11 attacks met privately with a key FBI witness. The next day, panel members were to meet in open session with CIA Director George Tenet and FBI Director Robert Mueller. After the FBI agent finished testifying, the open meetings with Tenet and Mueller were summarily canceled."
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/features/saudi_021129.htm

Awww...to bad. I wonder why they canceled those public hearings? And BTW notice it said members of the committee, not the committee. The members would presumeable be the chairmen, Porter Goss and Bob Graham. Who else? Who knows? Someone tried to leak out at least a little bit, (probably staffers from Graham, as he later wrote a book complaining how he wanted this information public.) Goss would later become head of the CIA when Tenet got his reward, I mean retirement.

"Several members were "appalled" at what informed sources described as the "explosive" testimony of Special Agent Steven Butler, who recently retired from the FBI after his final posting in the bureau's San Diego field office."
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/features/saudi_021129.htm

I guess it just isn't any of our business. I wonder what this FBI Agent who coincidently works in counter terrorism and who is the handler for the informant who was giving room and board to the two hijackers being monitored by the CIA, had to say?

FBI HQ in Washington were warned to spread the word about suspicious Arabs at flight training school by an Agent in Arizona, and they refused to spread that word. FBI HQ in Washington refused to allow the MN agents to check out Zacarias Moussaoui. And what else?...The Agents name is Steve Butler....

"Government officials told U.S. News that Butler disclosed that he had been monitoring a flow of Saudi Arabian money that wound up in the hands of two of the 9/11 hijackers. The two men had rented a room from a man Butler had used as a confidential informant, the sources say. According to officials familiar with his account, Butler said that he had alerted his superiors about the money flows but the warning went nowhere. "Butler is claiming ... that people [in the FBI] didn't follow up," says a congressional source. Adds another: "He saw a pattern, a trail, and he told his supervisors, but it ended there."

In a conversation outside his home in the gated Rancho Penasquitos community in San Diego, Butler told U.S. News, "It's very sensitive stuff.'' Wearing a Buffalo Bills cap, Butler said, "I'd love to talk to you guys," but added that he couldn't without permission from the Justice Department.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/features/saudi_021129.htm

I wonder what this money flow he was checking into was about........

When these two hijackers got to America, the person who picked them up and actually moved them into this informants apartment was Omar al-Bayoumi, an agent of Saudi Arabia. He even paid their first months rent and opened up a bank account for them. The money was reimbursed into his own account. The DOJ report even admits it. I wonder where the money comes from?

"Newsweek said, however, the FBI uncovered financial records showing payments to the family of al-Bayoumi from a Washington bank account held in the name of Princess Haifa Al-Faisal, wife of the Saudi ambassador to the United States and daughter of the late King Faisal."[/b]
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,71273,00.html

And the name of that Saudi ambassador she is married to is Prince Bandar. Also known as Bandar Bush because of his close friendship with our fearless leader.  Princess Haifa Al-Faisal also happens to be the sister of Saudi Arabias intelligence chief Prince Turki al-Faisal. When Bandar retired as ambassador this al-Faisal guy took his place......
"Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the 22-year Saudi ambassador to the US, the glad-handing "dean of the Washington diplomatic corps," and confidant and partner to successive US presidential administrations, has resigned. He has been replaced by Prince Turki al-Faisal, the former head of Saudi Arabian intelligence (and the current ambassador to Britain).

Turki al-Faisal's own ties to Washington and Langley, and throughout the intelligence world are legendary. Prince Turki has been intimately involved with the CIA, Pakistan's ISI (a virtual branch of the CIA)"
http://onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/072305Chin/072305chin.html

So, G Bush good friend Saudi Ambassador Bandar was evidently helping to finance the hijackers. And it was G Bush allowing the leader of the "AL Qaeda" in Guantanamo to leave the U.S. immediately after 9/11.....doesn't look very good for him.....so much for just being a puppet. He's involved up to his eyeballs....
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=19511.msg72768#msg72768

The al-Bayoumi guy was working for the Saudi Government. He left the country in July of 2001. But what is never reported anywhere, is evidently he had a replacement that the FBI admits in this recently unclassified document was working for Saudi Intelligence......

"The possibility of<redacted> being affiliated with the Saudi Arabian Government or the Saudi Arabian Intelligence Service is supported by <redacted> listing his employment in 1992 as the<redacted-redacted>Parkwood Apartment complex in July 2001 could indicate he succeeded Omar AI-Bayoumi and may be undertaking activities on behalf of the Government of Saudi Arabia."
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-10-03-FBI-penttbomb-bayoumi.pdf

So whatever happened with the informant? The DOJ refused to allow him to testify to congress. When they did their own internal review of "intelligence failures" surely they would let themselves talk to him right?
Nope, they didn't even interview the FBI Agent.....from the DOJ IG report, where Agent Butler is referred to as "Stan".....

"After his retirement from the FBI, "Stan" declined repeated requests
for an OIG interview. The OIG does not have authority,to subpoena individuals and cannot compel former Department of Justice employees to submit to an interview."

http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/fbi-911/chap5.pdf

And the informant?

The OIG was not able to interview the asset. The Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry had attempted to interview the asset without success. The Committee then submitted interrogatories that the asset declined to answer, asserting his Fifth Amendment privilege. The asset indicated through his attorney that if subpoenaed by the Committee, he would not testify without a grant of immunity.
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/fbi-911/chap5.pdf

Well, let's hope the FBI puts the hammer down on this guy, we need to get to the bottom of this....but turns out they decide to reward him. Reward him with your money. Tax money..........

"In July 2003, the asset was given a $100,000 payment and closed as an asset."
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/fbi-911/chap5.pdf

And in July 2003 was when this investigation was being done. FBI director R Mueller took our tax money to pay off the landlord/informant to buy his silence.
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: stangrof July 27, 2008, 10:36:54 AM
Good afternoon, great article! very useful . bye
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: jimd3100 July 31, 2008, 12:55:01 AM
So the FBI had an informant housing the alleged hijackers, Almidhar and Alhazmi, after the CIA who were monitoring them let them into the country on purpose. Now lets meet an informant for the CIA who was monitoring several other alleged hijackers.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-8937523_ITM
HAMBURG, Germany _ Nearly two years before the Sept. 11 hijackings, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency began persistent efforts to recruit as an informer a Syrian-born Hamburg businessman with links to al-Qaida and the key hijackers, the Chicago Tribune has learned.

The CIA's attempts to enlist Mamoun Darkazanli were initiated in late 1999, at a time when three of the four Hamburg students who would later pilot the hijacked planes were first learning of the hijacking plot at an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan.

Darkazanli, 44, has acknowledged knowing the three pilots, Mohamed Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah, with whom he attended the same radical Hamburg mosque, Al Quds, and shared several common friends in this city's sizable but insular Muslim community......

But the disclosure that the CIA was seeking to turn Darkazanli into a spy during the time the initial hijacking plans were being laid represents the earliest and deepest set of U.S. intelligence footprints outside the hijackers' window.

In December 1999 the CIA representative in Hamburg, posing as an American diplomat attached to the U.S. Consulate, appeared at the headquarters of the Hamburg state domestic intelligence agency, the LFV, that is responsible for tracking terrorists and domestic extremists.

According to a source with firsthand knowledge of the events, the CIA representative told his local counterparts that his agency believed Darkazanli had knowledge of an unspecified terrorist plot and could be "turned" against his al-Qaida comrades.
"He said, `Darkazanli knows a lot,' " the source recalled.

Darkazanli's name had first surfaced the year before in the U.S. investigation of al-Qaida's 1998 bombings of the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224 people and injured thousands.

Around the same time, Darkazanli's name had popped up in connection with another alleged al-Qaida figure, Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, a 44-year-old Sudanese who is currently in jail in New York awaiting trial in the embassy bombing case.

Salim, who is also accused by federal prosecutors of attempting to help bin Laden obtain enriched uranium for use in a nuclear weapon, was arrested in Munich in September 1998 at the request of the United States.

Investigators learned that Salim, a resident of the United Arab Emirates, held an account at a Hamburg bank. The co-signatory on the account was Mamoun Darkazanli, whose home number had been programmed into Salim's cell phone..

...By the end of 1999 the Darkazanli investigation had produced little of value. Now the Americans were saying that if the Germans couldn't put Darkazanli behind bars, they wanted to turn him into their informer.

The LFV representatives explained to the CIA man, who had been in his post for less than six months, that German law forbids foreign intelligence services, including those deemed to be "friendly," from conducting operations or recruiting informers inside German borders.

Any attempt to recruit Darkazanli on behalf of the CIA would have to be made by operatives of the LFV. In early 2000, around the time the hijack pilots were returning to Hamburg from Afghanistan, an LFV agent casually approached Darkazanli to ask if he was interested in becoming a spy.

Darkazanli replied that he was just a businessman who knew nothing about al-Qaida or terrorism. When the Germans informed the CIA representative that the approach had failed, the man refused to accept their verdict that Darkazanli was not recruitable.
"He was not happy," one source said. "He kept saying, `It must be possible.' "

When the LFV asked for information it could use to counter Darkazanli's claims that he knew nothing about terrorism or al-Qaida, the CIA demurred. What the LFV got instead was a CIA textbook lecture on the recruiting of agents.

.....By the late summer of 2000, Atta, Al-Shehhi and Jarrah had departed Hamburg for Florida, where they were learning to fly single-engine airplanes.



Intensifying its efforts to turn Darkazanli into an informer, a frustrated CIA abandoned the Hamburg LFV and took its case directly to federal German intelligence officials in Berlin.

"Another attempt by the Americans to get somebody to recruit Darkazanli," one source said.

Whether yet another approach was made to Darkazanli by the federal domestic intelligence service, the BFV, could not be determined. Darkazanli did not respond to a registered letter from the Chicago Tribune requesting an interview.

Immediately after Sept. 11, however, American intelligence operatives and FBI agents descended on Hamburg in force. According to a senior German intelligence official, the FBI undertook its own surveillance of Darkazanli.

That surveillance would have been illegal under German law. But with the horror of more than 3,000 deaths at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field dominating the world news, the Germans looked the other way.

"I don't judge it," the senior official said.

Darkazanli's name first surfaced publicly two weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, when the "Mamoun Darkazanli Import-Export Company" appeared on the Bush administration's initial list of individuals and organizations suspected of involvement in terrorism.

The company is evidently defunct. No incorporation records for the company are on file at the Hamburg courthouse, and sources said it had not done enough business over the years to support Darkazanli and his wife.

When the German federal prosecutor, Kay Nehm, announced an investigation into possible money laundering by Darkazanli and his company on behalf of al-Qaida, the news that Darkazanli was in trouble spread quickly through al-Qaida's network.

In Madrid, Spanish police listening in on Imad Yarkas's cell phone overheard a conversation in which Abu Nabil, the leader of a Syrian extremist organization known as the Fighting Vanguard, warned Yarkas that Darkazanli had caught the "flu" that was going around.

To the reporters who flocked to his apartment in well-kept Hamburg neighborhood, Darkazanli admitted having known Mohamed Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah as fellow worshipers at the downtown Al Quds mosque. But Darkazanli declared that he knew nothing about terrorism or the Sept. 11 plot.

...Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, Darkazanli had been brought in for questioning by the German federal police, and his apartment thoroughly searched. The police, Darkazanli said, had found nothing. His inclusion on the Bush administration's list of designated terrorist entities was just "a big misunderstanding."

The absence of documents in Darkazanli's flat was partly explained on Oct. 31, 2001, when a young Serbian immigrant with a record of convictions for burglary walked into the fortresslike headquarters of the Hamburg police.

The man presented astonished detectives with a bag full of documents that appeared to have been taken from Darkazanli's files. After accepting the purloined documents, the police arrested the man for burglary.

According to the burglar's story, he had discovered the documents stashed in a small summer house outside Hamburg that he had broken into. He had first gone with the documents to the U.S. Consulate in Hamburg, where it had been suggested that he take them to the police.

But when police asked the burglar to show them the house where he had found the documents, he couldn't locate it.

"We all thought, `CIA,' " one German investigator said.

The CIA representative in Hamburg, who was recalled to Washington in July, declined to comment last week. Since the arrival of his successor, relations with the CIA are described by German intelligence agents as "more collegial."

Darkazanli's lawyer, Andreas Beurskens, said he had advised his client not to speak with the media until the police investigation is complete.

But as the Sept. 11 investigations on both sides of the Atlantic have progressed, more links have emerged between Darkazanli and al-Qaida.

One is the disclosure that Darkazanli received at least $16,000 from Mohamed Kaleb Kalaje Zouaydi, a wealthy Spanish-Syrian arrested in Madrid in April and accused of funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars to al-Qaida and other radical Islamic organizations.

Another is the discovery by German investigators that Darkazanli was previously employed by Abdul-Matin Tatari, an Aleppo-born textile exporter in Hamburg whose own links to the Sept. 11 hijackers are under investigation by German police.

In view of what the expanded investigation was producing, one source said, "the situation for Darkazanli might become more complicated."
(c) 2002, Chicago Tribune.


So if he wasn't "protected" he'd be in prison. And he was arrested....but....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3747968.stm
Germany arrests 'al-Qaeda backer'
 
A Syrian-born German has been arrested in Hamburg on suspicion of helping to finance Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, German authorities have said.
Mamoun Darkazanli was detained on an extradition request from Spain.

He is accused of being a key al-Qaeda figure and providing logistical and financial support for the group since 1997 in Spain, Germany and the UK.

If convicted in Spain, he could face 12 years in prison. Mr Darkazanli is expected to contest his extradition.


A court in Hamburg said Mr Darkazanli was arrested after the Madrid authorities submitted a request for his extradition to Spain.

"He is believed have been the constant interlocutor and assistant of Osama Bin Laden in Germany and to have been particularly involved in the transfer of documents and the payment of bills," court spokeswoman Sabine Westphalen said.

She said the Spanish authorities suspect him of involvement in the purchase of a ship for Bin Laden.

After the September 2001 attacks, the US froze the assets of Mr Darkazanli's trading company, saying it was a front for terrorism.

He is also alleged to have had ties to the 11 September hijackers who were based in Hamburg.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/15/terror/printable649681.shtml
Germans Nab Qaeda Terror Suspect

BERLIN, Oct. 15, 2004

(AP) German authorities said Friday they have arrested an al Qaeda suspect wanted by Spain on charges that he helped finance the terror network for years.

Mamoun Darkazanli, 46, a Syrian-German dual national, was taken into custody in Hamburg on Friday on a Spanish warrant and is being held for possible extradition, city judicial spokeswoman Sabine Westphalen told The Associated Press.

Darkazanli was questioned by German police shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States when it emerged that three of the suicide hijackers lived and studied in Hamburg. He was freed for lack of evidence and continued to live in the German port city.


Spanish authorities allege that Darkazanli was "one of the key figures of the al Qaeda terror network" and "the permanent contact person and assistant of Osama bin Laden in Germany," Hamburg authorities said in a statement.

He is accused of giving logistical and financial support to the network in Spain, Germany and Britain since 1997, the statement said.

German authorities arrested him because he was a flight risk, the statement said. It did not elaborate.

Darkazanli did not respond to the charges after his arrest, but said he would contest extradition, the statement said.

Darkazanli is alleged to have been involved in the purchase of a ship for al Qaeda leader bin Laden, handling administrative details and paying bills. He also allegedly traveled to Kosovo in late 2000 on an al Qaeda mission, Hamburg authorities said.

He was among 35 suspects — including bin Laden himself — who were indicted in September 2003 by Baltasar Garzon, a Spanish judge investigating al Qaeda.



If he was a "protected asset" of the CIA, he wont be in jail long...and he wasn't......

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4692375.stm
 
'Al-Qaeda man' wins German appeal
A German-Syrian businessman suspected of funding al-Qaeda has been freed hours after Germany's highest court ruled his arrest warrant was invalid.
Mamoun Darkazanli, 46, who was fighting extradition to Spain, was released from custody in Hamburg, where he had been in detention since last October.

The court ruled the new European arrest warrant violated German law.

The case was a test of the new warrant introduced last year to speed up the handover of terror suspects.

Mr Darkazanli appears in a 1999 wedding video with two of the three 11 September 2001 suicide hijackers who had lived in Hamburg.

Mr Darkazanli has not been charged in Germany, whose constitution prohibits the extradition of its own citizens.

German Justice Minister Brigitte Zypries said the ruling by the federal constitutional court was "a blow for the government in its efforts and fight against terrorism".

Spanish wanted list

After the 2001 attacks, the US froze the assets of Mr Darkazanli's Import-Export Company, saying it was a front for terrorism. He is among 41 suspects, including Osama Bin Laden, indicted by Spanish Judge Baltasar Garzon.

Correspondents say all other suspects in Germany facing extradition under similar warrants will have to be released on bail, and that the German parliament will have to pass a new law if suspects are to be held in jail on EU warrants.
Mr Darkazanli's lawyers argued that handing him over under the European arrest warrant would be against the German constitution.

He has always denied any involvement in terrorism, saying he only knew the 9/11 hijackers by sight.

A spokesman for the European Commission voiced regret that Germany had failed to implement the arrest warrant and urged it to bring its national legislation into line with EU policy.

But Martin Selmayr also insisted that the arrest warrant was still valid.

"From a first reading, it's a judgment that declares null and void the German implementation law, not the European arrest warrant," he said.

In other developments, an al-Qaeda suspect being held at the US detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, has been extradited to Spain.

Moroccan-born Lahcen Ikrassrien is accused of being a member of an al-Qaeda cell that allegedly helped plan the 11 September attacks.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/4692375.stm


So is he still around free? Yup....while his buddies, get kidnapped by the CIA and tortured he's left alone...kind of obvious isn't it?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/14/AR2006071401575_pf.html

Germany Closes Investigation of Al-Qaeda Suspect

Associated Press
Saturday, July 15, 2006; A15



BERLIN, July 14 -- German prosecutors said Friday that they had closed their investigation of a German Syrian businessman accused in Spain of being a key al-Qaeda figure.

Federal prosecutors said their investigation had failed to confirm suspicions that Mamoun Darkazanli "founded, along with other people, an organization in Germany with the aim of giving logistical and financial support to the terrorist aims of the international network of violent Islamists."

Darkazanli is among 41 suspects, including Osama bin Laden, indicted by Spanish Judge Baltasar Garzon, who has been investigating al-Qaeda.

Last year, Germany's highest court blocked his extradition to Spain.

Darkazanli appears in a 1999 wedding video with two of the three Sept. 11, 2001, suicide pilots who studied in Hamburg along with lead hijacker Mohamed Atta


: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: knightrd August 09, 2008, 02:52:38 PM
This reminds me of Oswald and how he was an informant for the FBI and J Edgar Hoover regarding the anti-Castro rebels.
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: Biffa22 November 07, 2008, 04:38:08 AM
This connection to Saudi funding is what the 28 redacted pages of the Senate investigation of 911 (prior to the 911 commission report) reffered to. Former Senator Bob Graham, the chairman of this investigation tried to pass an ammenment at a senate hearing to get the information released to the public. There is a transcript of this here:
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/s102803.html

'This report makes a very compelling case, based on the information submitted
by the agencies themselves, that there was a foreign government which
was complicitous in the actions leading up to September 11, at least as
it relates to some of the terrorists who were present in one part of
the United States.
  There are two big questions yet to be answered. Why would this
government have provided the level of assistance--financial,
logistical, housing, support service--to some of the terrorists and not
to all of the terrorists? We asked that question. There has been no
response.
  My own hypothesis--and I will describe it as that--is that in fact
similar assistance was being provided to all or at least most of the
terrorists. The difference is that we happened, because of a set of
circumstances which are contained in these 28 censored pages, to have
an unusual window on a few of the terrorists. We did not have a similar
window on others. Therefore, it will take more effort to determine if
they were, in fact, receiving that assistance. That effort has, in my
judgment, been grossly insufficiently pursued.'

It appears likely that the leaked information which allowed at least some of these details to emerge, would have come from Senator Bob Graham's office as Jimd says. Of course it was the wife of a close friend of George W. Bush that was funding at least two of the hijackers. It was only because the FBI actually had an informant living with these two that we know this much, as Senator Graham says in the above quote.

Senator Bob Graham wrote a book about this investigation, which I have not yey read, however there is an interview with him at the following link which re-affirms his comments:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/qa/2004/11/11_401.html

‘MJ.com: How cooperative were President Bush and his administration with your inquiry?

BG: They started out with a lot of representations of how helpful they would be, in the same way that they did to the citizens’ 9/11 Commission that followed us. But when you actually started to dig close to sensitive information -- the most sensitive being the role of the Saudis -- they began to erect barriers.

MJ.com: Looking at the 9/11 Commission report that was completed after your inquiry, how did the findings of the two compare?

BG: In the main, it was very consistent. The basic intelligence failures that we found, and the recommendations to correct those failures, were largely adopted in the 9/11 report…

In the matter of findings, the biggest disagreement we had with the 9/11 Commission was on the role of Saudi Arabia. We found that there was compelling evidence that the Saudis played an active role in assisting two of the terrorists in Southern California, including being the means of substantial funding for those two terrorists. And this question of whether their support was limited to those two, or may have extended to others of the 17 terrorists, is still an unsolved mystery because the FBI did such an inept job of conducting that investigation. Whether we got it right or the 9/11’s softer evaluation of the role of the Saudis was right, we won’t know until after the administration makes available more information to the American people.

See also the stickied thread ‘CIA destroyed the interrogation tapes to hide the truth about 911’ by Jimd for more convincing evidence of Saudi government involvement. In this case however it clearly shows a White House cover up and therefore complicity in hiding the perpetrators.

This has not been persued enough by the 911 truth movement, it is the strongest evidence that the official story is a lie, and that the White House has sought to cover up the truth.

: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: oshea.declan November 30, 2008, 11:41:50 PM
Anyone know what has become of former FBI Agent Steve Butler, who resigned from the FBI after 9-11. He claims that his evidence of money coming from the Saudis to two of the alleged 9-11 hijackers was ignored by his supervisors in the FBI. (see article below)




The road to Riyadh
A stillborn FBI inquiry and a money trail from the Saudi Embassy to two of the 9/11 hijackers

By Gloria Borger, Edward T. Pound, and Linda Robinson

On October 9, members of the special congressional committee investigating the 9/11 attacks met privately with a key FBI witness. The next day, panel members were to meet in open session with CIA Director George Tenet and FBI Director Robert Mueller. After the FBI agent finished testifying, the open meetings with Tenet and Mueller were summarily canceled. Several members were "appalled" at what informed sources described as the "explosive" testimony of Special Agent Steven Butler, who recently retired from the FBI after his final posting in the bureau's San Diego field office.

Government officials told U.S. News that Butler disclosed that he had been monitoring a flow of Saudi Arabian money that wound up in the hands of two of the 9/11 hijackers. The two men had rented a room from a man Butler had used as a confidential informant, the sources say. According to officials familiar with his account, Butler said that he had alerted his superiors about the money flows but the warning went nowhere. "Butler is claiming ... that people [in the FBI] didn't follow up," says a congressional source. Adds another: "He saw a pattern, a trail, and he told his supervisors, but it ended there."

Roommates. In a conversation outside his home in the gated Rancho Penasquitos community in San Diego, Butler told U.S. News, "It's very sensitive stuff.'' Wearing a Buffalo Bills cap, Butler said, "I'd love to talk to you guys," but added that he couldn't without permission from the Justice Department.

Butler's testimony comes after disclosures that FBI executives failed to take action in response to memorandums by agency lawyers and agents in Minneapolis and Phoenix about suspicious activities involving young Muslim men enrolled in flight schools. One of the men, Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker, is awaiting trial on charges stemming from the attacks.

In his closed-door appearance on Capitol Hill, Butler described his dealings with a leader in San Diego's Muslim community, a 68-year-old man named Abdussattar Shaikh. In 2000, Shaikh rented a room in his house in a San Diego suburb, Lemon Grove, to Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi. Almihdhar and Alhazmi helped hijack American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. Shaikh did not respond to a phone message.

After Butler testified, Eleanor Hill, the staff director for the 9/11 committee, detailed his statements in a memo to the Justice Department. Justice officials, saying Butler's testimony is classified, declined comment. FBI officials also declined comment, saying they are pursuing "all investigative leads ... in a thorough and confidential manner."

FBI agents and CIA officers reconstructing the activities of the 19 hijackers were intrigued by two men, Osama Basnan and Omar al-Bayoumi, Saudi nationals who lived in the United States, despite having been charged with visa fraud. Investigators say Bayoumi helped Almihdhar and Alhazmi pay their rent and even threw them a party. According to Newsweek, Bayoumi also helped the two men open a bank account and called flight schools in Florida to arrange flying lessons for them.

Congress, the FBI, and the CIA are now trying to learn whether any of the money Bayoumi spent on behalf of Almihdhar and Alhazmi came from the Saudi Embassy in Washington. Newsweek reported that Basnan first requested financial help from the Saudi Embassy in 1998, saying he needed money to cover his wife's medical problems. Princess Haifa bint Faisal, the wife of the Saudi ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, wrote several cashier's checks to Basnan's wife. She endorsed some of them to Bayoumi's wife. Proceeds from the cashed checks, investigators believe, were used by Almihdhar and Alhazmi.

Basnan and Bayoumi have left the United States and could not be reached for comment. In an interview with a Saudi-owned, London-based newspaper, Basnan denied that his wife had passed money from Princess Haifa to Bayoumi's wife.

The disclosure of the Saudi money trail has further strained ties between Washington and Riyadh. Fifteen of the 19 hijackers were Saudi citizens, and Republicans and Democrats have criticized the royal family for underwriting a radical form of Islam that has been used by some adherents to countenance violence against the West. In an interview with the New York Times last week, Prince Bandar and Princess Haifa described themselves as committed to President Bush's war against terrorism and said they were "outraged" at suspicions that they would have knowingly supported anyone involved in terrorist activities.

Cash. Even before investigators began tracing the cashier's checks from Princess Haifa, government officials told U.S. News, FBI and treasury investigators had begun formal inquiries into the flow of funds through the Saudi Embassy in Washington. Bank accounts of the embassy and embassy personnel enjoy diplomatic immunity. But the government officials say investigators have taken a number of steps–not including electronic surveillance–to attempt to monitor money flows through the embassy. Of particular concern, several officials said, is cash that may have been transported under diplomatic seal from Riyadh to Washington.

Separately, U.S. government officials say, FBI and treasury investigators believe that as much as $100 million has flowed from Saudi Arabia to terrorist organizations in recent years. "We're talking about major-league businessmen who have ties to the royal family,'' says a senior treasury official. "Over the years, they've put funds into a lot of different mechanisms–business charities, moneymaking ventures–and routed them through offshore havens. They distance themselves from the money–it gets washed again and finally disbursed to the bad guys.''

The escalating investigations come at a time when the Bush administration is receiving increasing criticism for "easing up" on the Saudis–because of concerns over both oil prices and the importance of Saudi bases if Bush authorizes an attack against Iraq. Administration officials bristle at such suggestions. "It's on the front burner," a senior official says, "at ... the very highest levels."

: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: oshea.declan December 01, 2008, 12:16:58 AM
Anyone know what has become of former FBI Agent Steve Butler, who resigned from the FBI after 9-11. He claims that his evidence of money coming from the Saudis to two of the alleged 9-11 hijackers was ignored by his supervisors in the FBI. (see article below)

Of course the two alleged hijackers were CIA assets and the money being funneled to them via Saudi Arabia was ultimately US/Saudi Intelligence money.... I would like to know how far Steven Butlers eyes were opened... Does he now think that 9-11 was a completely outside Terrorist attack which could have been stopped if his warnings were acted upon... or does he fully realize that 9-11 was an Inside Job with the co-operation of US and Foreign Intelligence services.

I would really like to know. I met Agent Butler while he was an FBI agent in San Diego in 1996. I was in the US Navy at the time and Steven Butler and FBI agent Chris Meyer came to 32nd Street Naval Station to interrogate me after NCIS (Naval Criminal Investigative Service) notified the FBI that they had reason to believe I was involved with the IRA (Irish Republican Army) ... (which was untrue)

The reason NCIS were investigating me in the first place was that my SeaBag (Military Duffle Bag) had been stolen from me... I still don't know who stole it and I never got it back, but I'm 100% certain it was in the hands of NCIS ... The bag contained items which could have been perceived to be incriminating ... i.e: Documents and photographs... etc.. But there was an innocent explanation for everything and I'm not going into details.

The one thing I do know for sure is that the CIA do operate within the USA. Three weeks after my FBI interrogation the CIA bas*ards had drugged me and were a major nuisance until I finally got out of the US a couple of months later.
See Full Story Here http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=40197.msg187877#msg187877 (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=40197.msg187877#msg187877)

I'm curious as to ex-FBI Agent Steve Butlers viewpoints ... Is he just keeping a low profile or is he interested in crusading for the truth.
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: Biffa22 December 04, 2008, 12:08:19 PM
Anyone know what has become of former FBI Agent Steve Butler, who resigned from the FBI after 9-11. He claims that his evidence of money coming from the Saudis to two of the alleged 9-11 hijackers was ignored by his supervisors in the FBI. (see article below)





I've no idea but the article you quote has his address, albeit with the article in question being somewhat out of date now. It would still be a good place to look though.

It would be worth somebody asking him a question or two, but one of the articles I linked to earlier said he refused to comment because it was sensitive information. I think the key is trying to get the pages of the senate report released, as this would tell us what Steve Butler knows anyway. There is simply no good reason to redact those 28 pages other that the White House's determination to cover up the Saudi link to the plot. Sensitive places and names can always be inked out from public view for national security, redacting whole sections of the report is simply cover-up.

: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: xfahctor December 04, 2008, 12:37:35 PM
I have to be honest, I am an anomoly here, a regular participating "inside job" skeptic. I have always said when somehting presents itelf as plausable to me, I am willing to at least look at it. I have seen hunderds of video clips and read countless pieces written in support of the inside job theory and found most of it greatly lacking. But I find this intriguing, very much so. If nothing else, it at least alludes to foreign government involvment and possibly at least knowlage of elemens in our own government of this involvement.
Congratulations, you got a skeptics attention.
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: KiwiClare December 07, 2008, 08:48:09 PM
I have to be honest, I am an anomoly here, a regular participating "inside job" skeptic. I have always said when somehting presents itelf as plausable to me, I am willing to at least look at it. I have seen hunderds of video clips and read countless pieces written in support of the inside job theory and found most of it greatly lacking. But I find this intriguing, very much so. If nothing else, it at least alludes to foreign government involvment and possibly at least knowlage of elemens in our own government of this involvement.
Congratulations, you got a skeptics attention.

I don't understand how someone can see hundreds of video clips related to 9/11, which I assume would include the basics of clips of the towers and WTC 7 falling at close to free fall speed, and Norman Mineta saying Dick Cheney told the air defence to stand down, and not know that it was an inside job.  ???


911 Commission - Trans. Sec Norman Mineta Testimony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y
 
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: Biffa22 December 08, 2008, 05:32:01 AM
I have to say I agree with XFahctor here.
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: KiwiClare December 08, 2008, 05:41:39 PM
I have to say I agree with XFahctor here.

What a shame the sight of 3 controlled demolitions doesn't make it obvious to everyone that it wasn't the work of hijackers armed with boxcutters.
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: Biffa22 December 09, 2008, 04:49:44 PM
What a shame the sight of 3 controlled demolitions doesn't make it obvious to everyone that it wasn't the work of hijackers armed with boxcutters.


Me and Xfahctor don't agree that there were 3 controlled demolitions. And nobody has proved that there was. On the other hand we have actual evidence, right here, that Saudis funded the hijackers, that the White House covered it up disgracefully, and that the funder was the wife of George Bush's close friend. This is why I say this is the most important, and the failiure to pursue it more fully is a great shame because this is surely one of the strongest cards in the hand of 911 truth.
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: wezthebikie December 10, 2008, 12:34:03 AM
GREAT ARTICLE !!!
: The ugly truth of 9/11
: jimd3100 December 14, 2008, 10:13:52 AM
Some truthers don't like my stance on some things. A plane hitting the pentagon. KSM is not a very nice guy. Hijackers are real. Sorry. The debunkers don't care for my thoughts either of course.

I will go where the evidence takes me. And it takes me to the CIA, and Saudi Intelligence. And the fact that our fearless King is a traitor.

I'd prefer to take their own story and hang them with it.

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=11132

To believe the Government had advanced knowledge of 9/11 and allowed it to happen or even helped facilatate it is rather hard to believe for some, and debunkers of "9/11 truth" would rather believe official Government documents, and reports, along with mainstream media coverage for their information on wether or not there is any truth of advanced knowledge.

Trying to convince someone that the WTC was blown to pieces with explosives is impossible for some to grasp and understandibly so. In order to even start to believe that you have to believe that it was known that there would be an attack, and have detailed knowledge of it.

So for those that don't believe it could be an "inside job", I will use these official government reports and mainstream media reports to show it is not irrational to come to this conclusion, but rather logical.

"Nobody in our government, at least, and I don't think the prior government, could envision flying airplanes into buildings on such a massive scale."-Pres G Bush
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm

However the so called mastermind of 9/11 Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, was already wanted since 1996 because of his involvement in his nephew Ramzi Yousef's terrorist acts such as attempting to blow up the WTC in 1993 and the Bojinka plot, along with an idea that was just being formulated in which hijacked planes would be flown into buildings. Intelligence officials knew of the 9/11 plot since it was just an idea, 6 years before it happened.

Arrested in Manila in 1995 was a co-conspirator of theirs named Abdul Murad. As you can see from this document released thru the FOIA to intelwire the authorities do not want you to know what he told them more than six years before 9/11.

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/1995-05-11-FBI-FD302-Abdul-Hakim-Murad.pdf

But the people who arrested him revealed what is being kept from us by the government.

According to this Washington Post article......

"CIA officers today admit looks alarmingly like an early blueprint for the September 11 attack on America."

"Philippine investigators called in their American counterparts for help. This was standard operating procedure. According to U.S. and Philippine officials interviewed for this article, both the CIA Manila station chief and the resident FBI legal attache were notified. A team of intelligence agents flew in from Washington."

"But, Philippine and U.S intelligence officials said, the Bojinka operation called for a second, perhaps even more ambitious phase, as interrogators discovered when they pressed Murad about his pilot's license. All those years in flight school, he confessed, had been in preparation for a suicide mission. He was to buy, rent, or steal -- that part of the plan had not yet been worked out -- a small plane, preferably a Cessna, fill it with explosives and crash it into CIA headquarters."

"There were secondary targets the terrorist cell wanted hit: Congress, the White House, the Pentagon and possibly some skyscrapers. The only problem, Murad complained, was that they needed more trained pilots to carry out the plot."

"The FBI knew all about Yousef's plans,". "They'd seen the files, been inside 603. The CIA had access to everything, too."-Philippine policewoman Aida Fariscal

"This should have never, ever been allowed to happen," she repeats angrily. "All those poor people dead."

"Gen. Avelino "Sonny" Razon, one of the lead investigators in the Bojinka case, was so shocked at what he saw on September 11 that he jumped on a plane in Cebu, where he was now police chief, and flew to Manila to convene a hasty press conference. "We told the Americans about the plans to turn planes into flying bombs as far back as 1995," he complained to reporters. "Why didn't they pay attention?"
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bust_and_boom.html

They also siezed the computer of Ramzi Yousef. While the U.S. government treats it's citizens intellect as that of an imbecile, saying that we are attacked and hated because we are free, in order to stiffle honest debate about U.S. foreign policy, and the actions of Israel the truth is more logical.....

"One of Yousef's translated documents -- stamped SECRET by Philippine intelligence -- spells out the terrorist cell's broad objectives. "All people who support the U.S. government are our targets in our future plans and that is because all those people are responsible for their government's actions and they support the U.S. foreign policy and are satisfied with it," it declared.

"We will hit all U.S. nuclear targets," the manifesto continued. "If the U.S. government keeps supporting Israel, then we will continue to carry out operations inside and outside the United States to include -- " Here the text terminates ominously."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bust_and_boom.html

"Intelligence officials had gleaned an almost unparalleled treasure-trove of information on the inner workings of bin Laden's international terrorist network. Cell members did not appear to even know one another's real names. Duties were divided and compartmentalized, and none of the conspirators stayed in the same place for any length of time."
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bust_and_boom.html

In December of 2002 the Report of The Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 –by The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence was released.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

This is the closest thing to a real official investigation into 9/11 we have so I will quote it often. In this report is this admission...

"George Tenet, the Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), testified that “a common thread runs between the first attack on the World Trade Center in February 1993 and the 11 September attacks.”

In fact lets look at what this report says it found......

"KSM came to the attention of the Intelligence Community as a terrorist in early 1995 when he was linked to Ramzi Yousef’s “Bojinka Plot” in the Philippines. One portion of that plot involved the idea of crashing an airplane into CIA Headquarters. Through additional intelligence and investigative efforts in 1995, KSM was also connected to the first World Trade Center bombing. He was indicted by a U.S. grand jury in January 1996. The indictment was kept under seal until 1998 while the FBI and CIA attempted to locate him and arrange to take him into custody."

"An early summer 2001 Intelligence Community report stated that Khalid
Shaykh Mohammed – the senior al-Qa’ida official who has been identified as the mastermind of the September 11 attacks -- was recruiting individuals to travel to the United States and engage in planning terrorist-related activity there. According to the [ redacted] report, these individuals would be “expected to establish contact with colleagues already living there.”



The following is a pathetic attempt of DCI to cover his ass, by basically writing a memo to himself that he could point to later to show how committed he was to fighting terrorism.....from the report:

"The DCI raised the status of the Bin Ladin threat still further when he announced in writing in December 1998 regarding Bin Ladin: “We are at war…I want no resources or people spared in this effort, either inside the CIA or the [Intelligence] Community.” This declaration appeared in a memorandum from the DCI to CIA senior managers, the Deputy DCI for Community Management and the Assistant DCI for Military Support."

"The Intelligence Community as a whole, however, had only a limited awareness of this declaration."

"In fact, the Assistant Director of the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division testified to the Joint Inquiry that he “was not specifically aware of that declaration of war.”

"Furthermore, and even more disturbing, Joint Inquiry interviews of FBI field office personnel indicated that they were not aware of the DCI’s declaration, and some had only a passing familiarity with the very existence of Usama Bin Ladin and al-Qa’ida prior to September 11. Neither were the Deputy Secretary of Defense or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff aware of the DCI’s declaration."

"The record of this Joint Inquiry indicates that the DCI did not marshal resources effectively even within CIA against the threat posed by al-Qa’ida. Despite the DCI’s declaration to CIA officials that the Agency was at war with Bin Ladin, there is substantial evidence that the DCI’s Counterterrorist Center needed additional personnel prior to September 11, and that the lack of resources had a substantial impact on its ability to detect and monitor al-Qa’ida’s activities."http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

I would like to remind the reader that the President thought so highly of the DCI he was given the The Presidential Medal of Freedom Award. The Presidential Medal of Freedom, is the nation's highest civilian award.
http://www.medaloffreedom.com/

While world citizens were shocked at the attacks on 9/11, and the government claims they were caught totally off guard the fact is several of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were under surveillance including the ringleaders not just the two living with an informant in California, and had been for quite some time.........

"The CIA and NSA had sufficient information available concerning future hijackers al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi to connect them to Usama Bin Ladin, the East Africa embassy bombings, and the USS Cole attack by late 2000, and there were at least three different occasions when these individuals should have been placed on the State Department’s TIPOFF watchlist and the INS and Customs watchlists. Nonetheless, this was not done, nor was the FBI notified of their potential presence in the United States until late August 2001."

"The Chief of the FBI’s Financial Review Group – which had been only a section in the FBI’s White Collar Crime Unit before September 11-- and the Director of the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) both testified before the Joint Inquiry that, prior to September 11, they had capabilities to develop leads on terrorist suspects and link them to other terrorists and to terrorist funding sources."

"They both agreed that they would have been able to locate Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar in the United States in August 2001, if asked, through credit card and bank information. The use of these capabilities in the first weeks after September 11 enabled the FBI, with assistance from the Secret Service, to connect almost all of the 19 hijackers to each other very quickly by linking bank accounts, credit cards, debit cards, address checks, and telephones. Despite the existence of those capabilities, the FBI did not seek their assistance in the search for al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar in late August 2001."

"By early January 2000, CIA knew al-Mihdhar’s full name and that it was likely Nawaf’s last name was al-Hazmi, knew that they had attended what was believed to be a gathering of al-Qa’ida associates in Malaysia, was aware that they had been traveling together, and had documents indicating that al-Mihdhar held a U.S. B-1B- 2 multiple entry visa that would allow him to travel to and from the United States until April 6, 2000. CIA arranged surveillance of the meeting and the DCI was kept informed as the operation progressed."

"Despite having all this information, and despite the republication of CTC guidance regarding watchlisting procedures in December 1999 (see Appendix, “CTC Watchlisting Guidance – December 1999”), CIA did not add the names of these two individuals to the State Department, INS, and U.S. Customs Service watchlists that are used to deny individuals entry into the United States."

"DCI Tenet acknowledged in his testimony before the Joint Inquiry that CIA’s watchlisting training had been deficient and that a mistake had been made in the failure to watchlist both al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi promptly."

"The CIA did not advise the FBI about al-Mihdhar’s U.S. visa and the very real possibility that he would travel to the United States."

These two individuals would come to America and live with an FBI informant. Are we supposed to believe this is simply a coincidence? Or is there the possibility that this FBI informant is also a CIA informant? Is this possible?

Back to the report....

"On October 12, 2000, two Al Qa’ida terrorists attacked USS Cole as the destroyer refueled in Yemen. In investigating the attack, the FBI developed information that Khallad bin Attash had been a principal planner of the bombing and that two other participants in the Cole conspiracy had delivered money to Khallad in Malaysia at the time of the Malaysia meeting. The FBI shared this information with the CIA, whose analysts decided to conduct a review of what was known about the meeting."

"In January 2001, CIA concluded, based on statements by a joint CIA/FBI human source, that Khallad appeared in one of the surveillance photos taken during the Malaysia meeting."
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

As you can see there are "joint CIA/FBI human sources". The fact that two 9/11 hijackers were living with an intelligence informant is shocking and must be explained, he also had contact with a third 9/11 hijacker, Hani Hanjour.......from the Senate Intelligence report.....

"FBI personnel believe it likely that the informant met Hanjour in December 2000 and are unable to explain why the informant failed to identify Hanjour."

A closer look at this informant as reported by the Senate Intelligence report....

"The informant’s credibility is called into question in other important ways:

• The informant made a variety of inconsistent statements to the FBI during the course of multiple interviews. The informant has provided the FBI with many different dates as to the informant’s numerous contacts with al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar and their initial contact. The FBI acknowledged that “San Diego agrees with [the] Joint Inquiry…that there are significant inconsistencies” in the informant’s reports.


Some of the informant’s statements are not consistent with information developed through investigation concerning the dates of the contacts. The FBI concedes that the hijackers may have known the informant months earlier than the informant admitted.

• [redacted]

• [redacted]

The informant told the FBI after September 11, 2001 that al-Hazmi had told the informant that he was moving to Arizona for flight training and never mentioned flight training he received while living in San Diego.

• [redacted]

• [redacted]

"Several questions remain, however, with regard to the informant’s credibility.
First, while there are several indications suggesting that future hijacker Hani Hanjour had contact with the informant in December 2000, the informant has repeatedly advised the FBI that the informant does not recognize photos of Hanjour. Second, the informant told the FBI that the hijackers did nothing to arouse the informant’s suspicion, but the informant also acknowledged that al-Hazmi had contacts with at least four individuals the informant knew were of interest to the FBI and about whom the informant had previously reported to the FBI. Third, the informant has made numerous inconsistent statements to the FBI during the course of interviews after September 11, 2001. Fourth, the informant’s responses during an FBI polygraph examination to very specific questions about the informant’s advance knowledge of the September 11 plot were judged by the FBI to be “inconclusive.”


"In its written response, the FBI acknowledges “unexplained inconsistencies” in the informant’s reporting which continue to warrant ongoing FBI investigation."
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

The Senate Intelligence Committee wanted to talk with this informant and was refused. Everyone should know this. Our elected officials who represent us, shortly after the attacks of 9/11 wanted to interview the landlord of some 9/11 hijackers who was an intelligence informant.,.....and they were prevented from doing so. By the President of the United States.
From the report.....

"The Administration has to date objected to the Inquiry’s efforts to interview the informant in order to attempt to resolve those inconsistencies. The Administration also would not agree to allow the FBI to serve a Committee subpoena and deposition notice on the informant. Instead, written interrogatories from the Joint Inquiry were, at the suggestion of the FBI, provided to the informant. Through an attorney, the informant has declined to respond to those interrogatories and has indicated that, if subpoenaed, the informant would request a grant of immunity prior to testifying."http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

This is important. This investigation was halted by the President. This treasonous act needs to be addressed. Instead of calling for a new investigation how about allowing this original one to continue? What reason is there for supporting the idea that our elected officials representing us have no right to talk to an informant housing people who murdered 3000 Americans? But it gets worse. You, the reader. If you are an American tax payer, you paid this informant $100,000 in order to not cooperate with this investigation. I would like a debunker to explain to me why they are OK with this.

Six months after this Senate Intelligence report was made, according to this footnote in the DOJ IG report, this informant was paid from our tax money $100,000. I want to know what agency paid him this money.

"In July 2003, the asset was given a $100,000 payment and closed as an asset." {footnote number 197}
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/fbi-911/chap5.pdf

According to the co chairman of the Senate Intelligence committee Sen Bob Graham......"It was the only time in my senatorial experience that the FBI has refused to deliver a legally issued congressional subpoena. What that tells me is the FBI wasn't acting on its own but had been directed by the White House not to cooperate."http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/09/08/graham/print.html

One reason for protecting and shielding this informant would be if he was not just an FBI informant, but another joint FBI/CIA informant. Until this informant is allowed to be interviewed by my elected officials I have every right and reason to believe that. Turns out not only were these three 9/11 alleged hijackers under the nose and most probably under survelance of Intelligence officials well before 9/11 but several others were as well, the ringleaders infact. Which would most likely lead to the rest.

From the Senate Intelligence report.....

"CIA and FBI counterterrorism operations and investigations prior to September 11, 2001 repeatedly produced intelligence relating to two individuals in Hamburg, Germany – Mamoun Darkazanli, a suspected logistician in Bin Ladin’s network, and Mohammed Zammar, a suspected recruiter for al- Qa’ida. The CIA had been seeking more information about Darkazanli" [redacted........redacted]

"The FBI legal attaché in Germany did not recall getting information about Darkazanli and Zammar from the German government or the CIA before September 11. He was unaware that Darkazanli and Zammar had been the subject of government investigations before the attacks."
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

What is being redacted, and what is the story with Darkazanli? For further information there is this from the Chicago Tribune.....

"HAMBURG, Germany _ Nearly two years before the Sept. 11 hijackings, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency began persistent efforts to recruit as an informer a Syrian-born Hamburg businessman with links to al-Qaida and the key hijackers, the Chicago Tribune has learned.

The CIA's attempts to enlist Mamoun Darkazanli were initiated in late 1999, at a time when three of the four Hamburg students who would later pilot the hijacked planes were first learning of the hijacking plot at an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan.

Darkazanli, 44, has acknowledged knowing the three pilots, Mohamed Atta, Marwan Al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah, with whom he attended the same radical Hamburg mosque, Al Quds, and shared several common friends in this city's sizable but insular Muslim community.  ...the CIA was seeking to turn Darkazanli into a spy during the time the initial hijacking plans were being laid represents the earliest and deepest set of U.S. intelligence footprints outside the hijackers' window.  

In December 1999 the CIA representative in Hamburg, posing as an American diplomat attached to the U.S. Consulate, appeared at the headquarters of the Hamburg state domestic intelligence agency, the LFV, that is responsible for tracking terrorists and domestic extremists.

According to a source with firsthand knowledge of the events, the CIA representative told his local counterparts that his agency believed Darkazanli had knowledge of an unspecified terrorist plot and could be "turned" against his al-Qaida comrades.

"He said, 'Darkazanli knows a lot,' " the source recalled.
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-8937523_ITM

Is there any proof that the CIA was successful in their attempts to recruit Darkazanli? Yes, there is. While those around him are picked up and tortured in secret prisons, he stays out of jail. That's pretty much a dead give away.

"While still in high school, Zammar began to be associated with Jihadists through Mamoun Darkazanli, a fellow Syrian and al-Qaeda financier."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Haydar_Zammar

"On October 27, 2001, Zammar traveled to Morocco. Not long afterwards, he was arrested by Moroccan police with the assistance of the U.S. Although he was a German citizen and under investigation by Germany, German intelligence only learned about the arrest from the newspapers in June 2002.

Instead of being deported to the U.S. or Germany, Zammar was secretly sent to Syria for indefinite detention in the notorious Far'Falastin detention center in Damascus. Time Magazine reported: "U.S. officials in Damascus submit written questions to the Syrians, who relay Zammar's answers back. . . State Department officials like the arrangement because it insulates the U.S. government from any torture the Syrians may be applying to Zammar."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Haydar_Zammar

"Mamoun Darkazanli, 46, who was fighting extradition to Spain, was released from custody in Hamburg, where he had been in detention since last October."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4692375.stm

"Germany has rejected a fresh request from Spain to extradite a German-Syrian businessman accused of being Al-Qaeda's financier in Europe, authorities said Monday.

A spokesman for the justice department of the northern city-state of Hamburg said it had sent its refusal late last week to the Spanish court that had sought Mamoun Darkazanli.

"We now assume that the Darkazanli case is closed for us," the spokesman said, marking the latest failure of Spanish investigators to prosecute the 48-year-old."
http://www.eubusiness.com/Living_in_EU/al-qaeda.7/

He is free today. Kind of obvious isn't it?

And then there is this concerning another alleged 9/11 hijacker Marwan Alshehhi......

"Hamburg - The US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had one of the September 11, 2001 terror pilots under surveillance as early as March 1999 after a tip from German security services, according to joint investigative reports in Germany.

The reports said the CIA had detailed information about Marwan Alshehhi, and the fact that he was from the United Arab Emirates and studying in Germany.

The CIA had his cellphone number and knew that he was in contact with Haydar, whom the Americans had suspected of being al-Qaeda's contact man in Germany."

http://www.news24.com/World/News/CIA-tipped-off-on-911-pilot-20030813

And this from the NY Times, where the head of the 9/11 Commission Philip Zelikow acknowledges this information.....

"In March 1999, German intelligence officials gave the Central Intelligence Agency the first name and telephone number of Marwan al-Shehhi, and asked the Americans to track him.

The name and phone number in the United Arab Emirates had been obtained by the Germans by monitoring the telephone of Mohamed Heidar Zammar, an Islamic militant in Hamburg who was closely linked to the important Qaeda plotters who ultimately mastermined the Sept. 11 attacks, German officials said.

After the Germans passed the information on to the C.I.A., they did not hear from the Americans about the matter until after Sept. 11, a senior German intelligence official said.

The Germans considered the information on Mr. Shehhi particularly valuable, and the commission is keenly interested in why it apparently did not lead to greater scrutiny of him.

The information concerning Mr. Shehhi, the man who took over the controls of United Airlines Flight 175, which flew into the south tower of the World Trade Center, came months earlier than well-documented tips about other hijackers, including two who were discovered to have attended a meeting of militants in Malaysia in January 2000.

The independent commission investigating the attacks has received information on the 1999 Shehhi tip, and is actively investigating the issue, said Philip Zelikow, executive director of the commission.

Close surveillance of Mr. Shehhi in 1999 might have led investigators to other plot leaders, including Mohammed Atta, who was Mr. Shehhi's roommate.

"The Hamburg cell is very important" to the investigation of the Sept. 11 attacks, Mr. Zelikow said. The intelligence on Mr. Shehhi "is an issue that's obviously of importance to us, and we're investigating it," he added.

Asked whether American intelligence officials gave sufficient attention to the information about Mr. Shehhi, Mr. Zelikow said, "We haven't reached any conclusions."

The joint Congressional inquiry that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks was told about the matter by the C.I.A., but only a small part of the information was declassified and made public in the panel's final report in December 2002, several officials said. The public report mentioned only that the C.I.A. had received Mr. Shehhi's first name, but made no mention that the agency had also obtained his telephone number.

Officials involved with the work of the joint Congressional investigation made it clear that the publication of a more complete version of the story was the subject of a declassification dispute with the C.I.A. A former official involved with the Congressional inquiry acknowledged that having a telephone number for one of the hijackers was far more significant than simply having a first name."
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/24/politics/24TERR.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5...

This is what we know. Imagine what we don't know. And more importantly what is deliberatly being kept from us.

: Re: The ugly truth of 9/11
: jimd3100 December 14, 2008, 10:22:15 AM

"But, Philippine and U.S intelligence officials said, the Bojinka operation called for a second, perhaps even more ambitious phase, as interrogators discovered when they pressed Murad about his pilot's license. All those years in flight school, he confessed, had been in preparation for a suicide mission. He was to buy, rent, or steal -- that part of the plan had not yet been worked out -- a small plane, preferably a Cessna, fill it with explosives and crash it into CIA headquarters."

Gee what a f***in coincidence.

"WASHINGTON — In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism -- it was to be a simulated accident."
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm


: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: jimd3100 December 16, 2008, 01:10:11 PM
To be fair.....it would be difficult to locate this guy after he was "accidently" let into the country......

(http://cdn.historycommons.org/images/events/101_phone_book_entry.jpg)
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: Biffa22 December 16, 2008, 05:57:43 PM
Great post Jim, you've really presented a lot of very interesting and important information that I wasn't aware of on this thread. Just to comment and pick up on some of the things you have raised...

The FBI informant living with the two San Diego has serious questions answer because it looks like he misled them, and withheld important information.

Then the senate report shows that the FBI had wanted to interview him and they, along with the Senate Investigation Committee had been prevented from doing so by the White House. I could in fact imagine the FBI dragging their heels, for example to prevent embarrassment at a missed opportunity. But they, didn’t, they wanted to speak to him and investigate it properly. Why would the White House prevent them from doing this?   

And the CIA knowing about these two, yet failing to add them to the watchlist. You say that the informant could have been a joint CIA/ FBI informant and then refer to another example where this has happened. It could well be Jim. Of course the Senate committee was prevented from speaking to this informant by the administration, and then had a large section of their report redacted. As you say, the real investigation should be allowed to complete its work, and we should be allowed to know what is being covered up in those 28 pages that have been redacted.

Why has the White House censored this report so heavily? Sensitive place names or people’s names, or the odd sensitive detail can always be blacked out. Who would know this better than Sen. Bob Graham who led the investigation? This point was made at the attempt in congress by Sen. Bob Graham and others to get the report declassified and end the cover up as you know, Jim.

‘Again, the chairman and vice chairman of the committee that led or
that directed the preparation of this report say most of that
information of the 28 pages should be declassified, implying, I
believe, since they are not quoted directly, that declassifying that
would not compromise sources and methods and not compromise our
intelligence community.’
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/s102803.html

Redacting 28 whole pages is simply a cover up. However, you have managed to illustrate much of what is missing, and we have a strong idea that the White House is at least covering up for the perpetrators i.e. Bush’s Saudi business partners.

Add in the fact that they also prevented the Senate Committee and the FBI from interviewing the San Diego informant and you can say with certainty that there has been a cover-up and suppression of 911 truth by the White House to the level of protecting the perpetrators and facilitators of this attack. This is the only conclusion I can come to.
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: jimd3100 December 20, 2008, 01:45:43 AM
Why would the White House prevent them from doing this?  

Well, that would seem to be an important question that needs to be answered. Since Bush wont answer it, I'll take a shot at it.

Why did Bush stop The Senate And Congressional Intelligence joint inquiry investigators from interviewing an Informant who was the landlord of some alleged hijackers who the CIA "accidentally" let into the country?

This isn't a "conspiracy theory" it's a fact. From the report by THE HOUSE PERMANENT SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE AND THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE...

"The Administration has to date objected to the Inquiry’s efforts to interview the informant in order to attempt to resolve those inconsistencies. The Administration also would not agree to allow the FBI to serve a Committee subpoena and deposition notice on the informant. Instead, written interrogatories from the Joint Inquiry were, at the suggestion of the FBI, provided to the informant. Through an attorney, the informant has declined to respond to those interrogatories and has indicated that, if subpoenaed, the informant would request a grant of immunity prior to testifying."
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

Because our fearless king is a traitor who is protecting Saudi Arabia.

How did those alleged hijackers end up with a U.S. Intelligence asset as a landlord? They were taken there by a Saudi Arabian Intelligence agent. Named Omar al-Bayoumi. BTW, the FBI had already done an investigation on this guy back in the late 90's because of his suspicious activities. Bush doesn't want you to see this stuff, doesn't want you to know who really funds Al Qaeda, because it blows the whole myth. You see, our King is a traitor who is protecting this other country, and their agents who have ties to "al Qaeda".
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-10-03-FBI-status-penttbomb-nour-bayoumi-landlord.pdf

From senate intelligence investigation:

"In June 2002 testimony before the Joint Inquiry, DCI Tenet said:
      "Once in the U.S., the hijackers were careful, with the exception of minor traffic violations, to avoid drawing law enforcement attention and even general notice that might identify them as extremists. They dressed in Western clothes, most shaved their beards before entering the U.S., and they largely avoided mosques
[/b]."

"FBI Director Mueller appeared to concur:
 "While here, the hijackers effectively operated without suspicion, triggering nothing that would have alerted law enforcement and doing nothing that exposed them to domestic coverage. As far as we know, they contacted no known terrorist sympathizers in the United States."
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

This is what is known as getting caught in a lie.....

"However, the Joint Inquiry review of documents and interviews of FBI personnel indicate that the six hijackers who served as the leaders and facilitators of the September 11 attacks were not isolated in the United States, but instead maintained a number of contacts in the United States before September 11."

"In a written response The FBI acknowledged that:
. . . the hijackers ‘may have had contact’ with subjects of prior or current
counterterrorism investigations in San Diego. Such contact occurred principally through the hijackers’ attendance of religious services at various mosques in San Diego, some frequented by subjects of FBI counterterrorism investigations."

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

"At a Joint Inquiry hearing in October 2002, FBI Director Mueller commented on his earlier testimony about the hijackers conduct in the United States:
    "When I say that the hijackers did “nothing that exposed them to domestic
coverage” . . . and when I say that the hijackers “contacted no known terrorist
sympathizers in the United States,” I meant in the context of the hijackers not
contacting — before 9/11 — terrorist sympathizers on whom we had technical or
other form of coverage. The point being that had they done so, we might have
been able to identify them as a result of that coverage. When making that
statement, I did not have in mind what may have been known to the Bureau about persons such as al-Bayoumi a Saudi living in California, who may have assisted hijackers, al-Hazmi and al-Midhar. I can see, however, how the statement could be subject to an alternate interpretation that even as of June 18 we had uncovered no persons who had had contact with the hijackers and were “terrorist sympathizers.” I can assure the Committee that I had no intent to mislead."
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

More from the Joint Senate Intelligence report......

"A person the FBI interviewed after September 11 says that he was with al-Bayoumi when the latter met al- Hazmi and al-Mihdhar. This person says that al-Bayoumi invited him to travel to Los Angeles, explaining that he had business at the Saudi Consulate. When they arrived at the consulate, al- Bayoumi met with someone behind closed doors. Al-Bayoumi and the person with whom he had traveled to Los Angeles went to a restaurant, where they met al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar."
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

And who was this person al-Bayoumi met at the Saudi Consulate before picking up the alleged hijackers? It is well documented that it was Fahad al Thumairy. Investigators asked al Thumairy about his connection with these hijackers and al-Bayoumi. The Saudi Government refused to let investigators interview him alone. Saudi Gov officials were always present. Thumairy denied knowing any of these people, and was shocked when investigators informed him they had his telephone records and the phone records of Bayoumi which proved they were in contact with each other quite often. He thought he had "diplomatic imunity" from that stuff. He had nothing more to say. This is documented in Philip Shenons' book, and the FOIA documents at intelwire.

http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-04-15-FBI-LHM-omar-al-bayoumi2.pdf
http://www.amazon.com/Commission-Uncensored-History-11-Investigation/dp/0446580759

Page 309 of Shenons book describes how investigators found in classified FBI reports details of an interrogation of an Arabic speaking taxi driver from Los Angelos who was arrested on immigration charges a few months after 9/11. The driver, Qualid Benonmrare, had done chauffeur work for the Saudi consulate, and Thumairy. He was shown a series of photographs of young arab men and asked if he recognized any of them. He shocked the investigators by immediatly picking out the two hijackers Hazmi and Mihdhar, when he realized what he's done he nervously backtracked and denied knowing the pair. He was asked about his ties to Thumairy and he said that the Saudi diplomat introduced him before 9/11 to "two Saudis", who had just arrived in the U.S. and needed help.
The investigators believed these were the two terrorists Thumairy claimed to have never met.

Bayoumi admitted knowing Thumairy but only as an Iman at the Mosque. However Thumairy denied knowing both Bayoumi and the two alleged hijackers. Thumairy is a liar.

When al Thumairy tried to re enter the U.S. in 2003 this happened...

"A Saudi consular official was held for two days and expelled from the United States this week because he was suspected of having links with terrorist organizations, the Los Angeles Times reported on Saturday."

"Fahad al Thumairy, 31, arrived on a flight from Frankfurt on Tuesday at Los Angeles International Airport to learn that his visa had been revoked in March, the newspaper reported."

"A State Department spokeswoman declined to comment on the matter on Saturday, and neither the Department of Homeland Security nor the King Fahd Mosque could be reached for comment. The Department of Justice and the Saudi consulate did not immediately return calls seeking comment."
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0503/120.html

"In May 2003, the State Department refused reentry to the chief imam of the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, Fahad al Thumairy, who also was a Saudi diplomat at the consulate in Los Angeles. The Sept. 11 commission report later said the State Department had determined "he might be connected with terrorist activity."

"The report also said that two of the Sept. 11 hijackers, Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar, "spent time at the King Fahd mosque and made some acquaintances there." Al Thumairy, who reportedly led an "extremist faction" at the mosque, denied knowing the two hijackers. While his denial was "somewhat suspect," the report said there was no evidence connecting him to the hijackers."
http://www.somalilandtimes.net/2003/136/13608.shtml

Back to the Senate Intelligence report.....

"According to several FBI agents, the meeting at the restaurant may not have been accidental. In fact, the FBI’s written response to the Joint Inquiry refers to the restaurant encounter as a “somewhat suspicious meeting with the hijackers.” According to another person the FBI interviewed after September 11, al-Bayoumi said before his trip that he was going to Los Angeles to pick up visitors."

"When al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar moved to San Diego, al-Bayoumi gave them
considerable assistance."

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

But al-Bayoumi claims he's just a nice guy that enjoys helping strangers, and attends schools that have no records of him.....in other words he's also a lier.

"Newsweek said Mr al-Bayoumi was believed by some local Muslims to be working for Saudi intelligence. Mr al-Bayoumi claimed to be studying at San Diego university but it has no records of him."

"On September 11, Mr al-Bayoumi was studying for a business degree at Aston University, Birmingham. British police questioned him, but he reportedly claimed that he met al-Hazmi and al-Midhar by accident and was simply shown Arab hospitality."

"Congress is preparing a report into the September 11 investigation criticising the administration for failing to pursue leads that point to the Saudi establishment. The FBI is also frustrated that its inquiry into the Saudi role was stymied for political reasons[/b]."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/25/alqaida.saudiarabia

Back to the Senate Intelligence report....

"Since September 11, the FBI has learned that al-Bayoumi has connections to terrorist elements. He has been tied to an imam abroad who has connections to al-Qa’ida. Further, the FBI’s Executive Assistant Director for Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence described in testimony before the Joint Inquiry FBI contacts “with the [ redacted] government about collection on a person named [redacted ], who has ties to al-Qa’ida, who has ties to al-Bayoumi.”
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

Did you catch that? The FBI Informant that Bush is protecting and that we taxpayers rewarded with $100,000 is friends with terrorists according to the Senate Intelligence committee.

"Despite the fact that he was a student, al-Bayoumi had access to seemingly unlimited funding from Saudi Arabia. For example, an FBI source identified al-Bayoumi as the person who delivered $400,000 from Saudi Arabia for the Kurdish mosque in San Diego. One of the FBI’s best sources in San Diego informed the FBI that he thought that al-Bayoumi must be an intelligence officer for Saudi Arabia or another foreign power."
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

So why is Bush protecting Saudi Arabia? Because he has to. He can't allow the Intelligence informant to be interviewed. If he's not interviewed then it was just a "coincidence" that these monitored terrorists who were "accidentally" let into the country were living with an intelligence asset. Keep the myth that they were "al Qaeda" bad guys funded by the evil "al qaeda" leader Bin Laden. We had no intelligence on them once they were accidentally let into the country. That is the official story you know, it's all a big coincidence.

He can't let the informant be interviewed if he is also a CIA asset, because then the whole myth of "these guys were accidentally let into the country and we couldn't find them" is exposed for the lie that it is. All the alleged hijackers were heavily monitored and tracked more than a year before 9/11.

for evidence of that see:
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/04/government-heard-911-plans-from.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20020806083614/http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/3416632.htm

There is also the possibility this informant is a Saudi Intelligence asset, or both. He certainly knew and worked with the Saudi intelligence asset al-Bayoumi.

He is a living symbol of the CIA and Saudi Intelligence and how they work together. The USSR superpower was brought down by the CIA/Saudi Intelligence network. It's a proven fact they work together.

And who is the biggest Saudi Intelligent asset of them all? Bin Laden. The Bin Laden family is extremely wealthy and powerfull. However, they owe everything they have, everything, to the Saudi Royal family. They would be nothing without the Saudi Royal family. They are also friends of the Bush family.
http://www.amazon.com/Bin-Ladens-Arabian-American-Century/dp/1594201641/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1229475841&sr=8-1

And you are supposed to believe O. Bin laden wants to overthrow the royal family!

It's a well known fact that Bin Laden is a Saudi Intelligence asset. But you are supposed to believe that "well, yea, he was during the Afghan war against the Soviets, but then he turned on them." Really? When exactly did he turn? Because, I'm guessing never, which might explain this from the Senate Intelligence report......

"According to a U. S. Government official, it was clear from about 1996 that the
Saudi Government would not cooperate with the United States on matters relating to Usama Bin Ladin[redacted redacted redacted] reemphasized the lack of Saudi cooperation and stated that there was little prospect of future cooperation regarding Bin Ladin. [redacted] told the Joint Inquiry that he believed the U.S. Government’s hope of eventually obtaining Saudi cooperation was unrealistic because Saudi assistance to the U.S. Government on this matter is contrary to Saudi national interests."

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

You see these Saudis with "Links to Al Qaeda" are not the only ones that are documented as being protected by Lord Bush, there is also the leader of the group of Saudis Bush let fly out of the Country just after 9/11, Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, who was later fingered by inmates in Guantanamo as their boss.

"Abu Zubaydah has made startling revelations about secret connections linking Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Osama bin Laden. CIA men flew Zubaydah to an Afghan complex fitted out as a fake Saudi jail chamber, where "two Arab-Americans, now with Special Forces," pretending to be Saudi inquisitors, used drugs and threats to scare him into more confessions."

"Yet when Zubaydah was confronted by the false Saudis, writes Posner, "his reaction was not fear, but utter relief." Happy to see them, he reeled off telephone numbers for a senior member of the royal family who would, said Zubaydah, "tell you what to do."The man at the other end would be Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, a Westernized nephew of King Fahd and a publisher better known as a racehorse owner. His horse War Emblem won the Kentucky Derby in 2002. To the amazement of the U.S., the numbers proved valid. When the fake inquisitors accused Zubaydah of lying, he responded with a 10-minute monologue laying out the Saudi-Pakistani-Osama triangle, according to the book."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,480240,00.html

"Zubaydah, writes Posner, said the Saudi connection ran through Prince Turki al-Faisal bin Abdul Aziz, the kingdoms longtime intelligence chief. Zubaydah said bin Laden "personally" told him of a 1991 meeting at which Turki agreed to let bin Laden leave Saudi Arabia and to provide him with secret funds as long as al-Qaeda refrained from promoting jihad in the kingdom. The Pakistani contact, high - ranking air force officer Mushaf Ali Mir, entered the equation, Zubaydah said, at a 1996 meeting in Pakistan also attended by Zubaydah. Bin Laden struck a deal with Mir, then in the military but tied closely to Islamists in Pakistans Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), to get protection, arms and supplies for al-Qaeda. Zubaydah told interrogators bin Laden said the arrangement was "blessed by the Saudis," according to Posner."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,480240,00.html

"Zubaydah said he attended a third meeting in Kandahar in 1998 with Turki, senior ISI agents and Taliban officials. There Turki promised, writes Posner, that "more Saudi aid would flow to the Taliban, and the Saudis would never ask for bin Ladens extradition, so long as al-Qaeda kept its long-standing promise to direct fundamentalism away from the kingdom."
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,480240,00.html

"On July 22, 2002, Prince Ahmed was felled by a heart attack at age 43"
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,480240,00.html

The others Zubaydah named also quickly died. Remember the interrogation of Zubaydah was videotaped.

According to this declassified FBI document as you can see on page 11/224 Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, who Zubaydah named as his boss and even gave his phone number, was the leader of the Saudis that were allowed to leave the country immediately after the attacks of 9/11.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/Saudi%20Docs%202.pdf

Having it on videotape that you let the boss of the "al Qaeda" inmates leave the country immediately after 9/11 is not something you want hanging around for all history if you're the President is it?

The 9/11 commission asked the CIA about this. And what did the CIA do? They destroyed the tape and didn't respond. And you were told the Tapes were destroyed because they showed torture. Here is the memo Phillip Zelikow made in order to cover his own ass which proves this.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20071222-INTEL-MEMO.pdf

Who is Al Qaeda? And who Fiances them?
It's a terrorist group, run by Intelligence agencies. Always has been.
Who financed Ramzi Yousef? Bin Ladens' brother in law Mohammed Jamal Khalifa.

"Khalifa started the Benevolence International Corporation in the Philippines in 1988, apparently to recruit people for the war against the Soviets. In 1992, that group folded visible operations while another group known as the Islamic Benevolence Committee renamed itself to Benevolence International Foundation. The remains of the Benevolence International Corporation have been accused of assisting the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the Operation Bojinka plot that was foiled in 1995. "

"U.S. and Filipino investigators accused Khalifa of once being an important lieutenant of Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda organization, which was based in Sudan at the time he allegedly was involved in terrorist plots."

"Khalifa was arrested in Saudi Arabia shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks, but was released without charges being filed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Jamal_Khalifa

But when you get exposed you get dead. Like the folks Zubaydah fingered.

"On January 31, 2007, Khalifa was murdered by 25 to 30 armed men while visiting a gemstone mine he owned in Sakamilko, near the town of Sakaraha in southern Madagascar. He had recently called in local police to evict people who had been working the gem mine in his absence. Though all his belongings had been stolen there is some conjecture that the death was politically motivated."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Jamal_Khalifa

"The Benevolence International Foundation was a purported nonprofit charitable trust based in Saudi Arabia. It was a front for al-Qaeda and is now banned worldwide by the United Nations Security Council Committee . It had already been banned by the US Department of the Treasury. It was founded by Adel bin Abdul-Jalil Batterjee of Jeddah, who is now personally embargoed by the UN and by the US."

"Benevolence International Corporation is said to have been started in 1988 by Mohammed Jamal Khalifa of Jeddah, the brother in law of Osama bin Laden. Meanwhile, another group known as the Islamic Benevolence Committee was founded in both Jeddah and Peshawar, Pakistan by Batterjee. The group was a "charity" that openly supported fighters against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolence_International_Foundation

And who was paying Mr al-Bayoumi? Dallah Al-Baraka.

"Al-Bayoumi was assistant to the Director of Finance for Dallah Avco, a DBG company that works with the Saudi aviation authority. The Wall Street Journal has reported that the United States believes the Dallah al-Baraka Bank, another DBG company, was also used by al-Qaeda." http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/funding_terror/

"The Feds discovered that al-Bayoumi had once claimed to be an employee of Dallah Avco, a Saudi aviation-services company suspected of having ties to Al Qaeda. The firm's owner, Saudi billionaire Saleh Abdullah Kamel, has denied the accusation."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/152640/output/print

"Dallah Al-Baraka, is a Saudi Conglomerate founded and owned by Sheikh Saleh Abdullah Kamel In 1975, Dallah Avco was formed to specialize in the construction, operation and maintenance of airport based projects. Its continued success in winning several contracts with the Saudi Ministry of Defense and Aviation, catapulted the group to grow and diversify extensively."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallah_Al-Baraka

"Sheikh Saleh Abdullah Kamel is a Saudi businessman, chairman and founder of the Dallah al Baraka Group (DBG). He is of also the chairman of the General Council for Islamic Banks. He is estimated to be worth about $2.6 billion. Most of Kamel's business work focus on coded TV channels, trade and civil services."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saleh_Abdullah_Kamel

Sheikh Saleh Abdullah Kamel also helps fund the Saudi Intelligence run group we call today "al Qaeda".

"The "Golden Chain" is a list of purported sponsors of al Qaeda that was seized in March of 2002 raid by Bosnian police authorities of the premises of the Benevolence International Foundation in Sarajevo."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Chain_(al_Qaeda)#Saleh_Abdullah_Kamel

"Adel bin Abdul-Jalil Batterjee is a noted Saudi Arabian businessman and philanthropist, most widely known as the incorporator of the U.S., Canadian, and Saudi Arabian branches of the purported terrorist funding conduit Benevolence International Foundation. Batterjee is free in Saudi Arabia, but is under a worldwide travel ban, financial embargo, and weapons embargo by the UN  Committee and a financial embargo the US Department of the Treasury."

"As of 2002 Batterjee was head of the Al Shamal Islamic Bank in Sudan and was one of its largest shareholders. According to a 1996 U.S. State Department factsheet the bank was capitalized with $50 million by Osama bin Laden and other National Islamic Front members. Al-Qaeda members who were funded via this bank included Jamal al-Fadl and Wadih el-Hage."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adel_Batterjee

Are you starting to see how "Al qaeda" is funded and who funds them? Here is someone else who funds them and this will be in the Senate Intelligence report in 30 years when the 28 pages Bush demanded be redacted finally see the light of day......

“About two months after al-Bayoumi began aiding Alhazmi and Almihdhar, NEWSWEEK has learned, al-Bayoumi's wife began receiving regular stipends, often monthly and usually around $2,000, totaling tens of thousands of dollars. The money came in the form of cashier's checks, purchased from Washington's Riggs Bank by Princess Haifa bint Faisal, the daughter of the late King Faisal and wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi envoy who is a prominent Washington figure and personal friend of the Bush family. The checks were sent to a woman named Majeda Ibrahin Dweikat, who in turn signed over many of them to al-Bayoumi's wife."

"According to then-Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL), who served as a co-chair of the 9/11 Congressional inquiry that preceded the 9/11 Commission, during the period of Alhazmi and Almihdhar’s arrival in the US, Bayoumi had an “unusually large number of telephone calls with Saudi government officials in both Los Angeles and Washington.”
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Page_2_FBI_documents_contradict_Sept._0228.html

Princess Haifa bint Faisal also happens to be the sister of the head of Saudi Intelligence at the time.

The 9/11 commission was a cover up. And this is just one of the cover up assignments it had. The 9/11 Commission report said there was no Saudi Arabian assistance to the hijackers and had nothing to do with 9/11.

So you might be asking, why would Saudi Arabia want to attack the U.S.? Well, they probably wouldn't, but an attack in the U.S. can only be stopped by the U.S. and if the people running the Government (PNAC) want an attack in order to carry out their imperialist objectives they have a "great" opportunity. Might even want to get some anthrax cooked up too, in order to help the case for war against Iraq. Since they know Iraq isn't involved in this upcoming "event".

Al Qaeda is a terrorist group run and financed by Intelligence agencies. Does that mean there are not crazy "terrorists"? Yes there is. And Saudi Arabia and the U.S. would love you to join "Al Qaeda" if you fit that description.  After all, what's the point of a Military Industrial Complex if you can't use it?
: Re: 9/11-Public record proves inside job!
: jimd3100 January 13, 2009, 10:26:22 AM
Prince Bandar bin Sultan admits Saudi Intelligence also were tracking the 9/11 "hijackers", and with that admits his guilt.

"Speaking to the Arabic satellite network Al-Arabiya on Thursday, Bandar -- now Abdullah's national security adviser -- said Saudi intelligence was "actively following" most of the September 11, 2001, plotters "with precision."

"If U.S. security authorities had engaged their Saudi counterparts in a serious and credible manner, in my opinion, we would have avoided what happened," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/01/saudiarabia.terrorism/index.html

You can see him say this here....

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/01/saudiarabia.terrorism/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

This is Prince Bandar bin Sultan. His wife is Princess Haifa, the sister of Saudi Arabias Chief of Intelligence. He is a close friend of the Bush family.

The only problem with his statement is, that he helped these "9/11 plotters". And U.S. security authorties did engage their Saudi counterparts. Otherwise 9/11 wouldn't have happened. He assisted Al Bayoumi and Bassnan who were cohorts of Abdussattar Shaikh, a U.S. Intelligence informant who housed some hijackers.

One of the FBI’s best sources in San Diego informed the FBI that he thought that al-Bayoumi must be an intelligence officer for Saudi Arabia or another foreign power. page 226/858
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

Bassnan was a close associate of al-Bayoumi, <<redacted-redacted>>
Bassnan also had close ties to a number of other persons connected to the hijackers, including <<redacted-redacted>>
page 228/858
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

After September 11, the FBI developed information clearly indicating that Bassnan is an extremist and a Bin Ladin supporter. <<redacted--redacted>>
page 229/858
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

This declassified document from the FBI investigation into 9/11 proves these hijackers were given assistance from this Saudi Arabian Intelligence agent....

"2. Al-Bayoumi has been determined to have co-signed for hijackers
Nawaf Al-Hazmi and Khalid Al-Mihdhar when they rented an apartment at
the Parkwood Apartments complex and to have sometimes paid rent for
them."
page 1/8
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-10-03-FBI-penttbomb-bayoumi.pdf

Incidentally, also in this document on page 3/8 is this..."Al-Hazmi and Al-Mihdhar received flight training while living in San Diego, California. it is believed they received this training in order to be able to maneuver the hijacked American Airlines airplane and crash it into the Pentagon."
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-10-03-FBI-penttbomb-bayoumi.pdf

Steve Coll author of 'Ghost Wars" in his recently released book called "The Bin Ladens" claims in a footnote on page 23 that..."Al-Mihdhar piloted the plane that crashed into the pentagon."
http://www.amazon.com/Bin-Ladens-Arabian-American-Century/dp/1594201641/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231849717&sr=8-1

You see the authorities are falling all over themselves trying to explain how that plane could be piloted the way it was. The FBI knew how well documented it was that Hani Hanjour was an incompetent f**k. But the 9/11 commission coverup in charge of "telling the story" of 9/11 settled on Hanjour since he had a license.  There are elements in the "truth movement" who have a vested selfish self interest in keeping the myth of no plane impact alive, and the perps love them for it. Chirping that a missile hit the pentagon makes you a no planer who is disregarding all the evidence and witnesses, and chirping of a flyover(that no one saw)means an accusation against innocent working class civilians of being mass murdering accomplices. You are helping the perps for free with this BS. But I digress...back to the proof Bush should be in prison for protecting his Saudi Arabian buddies........

"Sources close to the case told TIME that beginning in January 1999 monthly payments of $2,000 were made from Princess Haifa's checking account to Majida Dwaikat, wife of Osama Bassnan. A Saudi national, Bassnan was living in San Diego last year and has been linked to Omar al Bayoumi, a Saudi student who befriended two men who wound up helping crash Flight 77 into the Pentagon. The sources also say that the ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, gave $15,000 to Bassnan."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1003790,00.html

"The classified part of a Congressional report on the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, says that two Saudi citizens who had at least indirect links with two hijackers were probably Saudi intelligence agents and may have reported to Saudi government officials, according to people who have seen the report."

"People familiar with the report and who spoke on condition of not being named said that the two Saudi citizens, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassnan, operated in a complex web of financial relationships with officials of the Saudi government."
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E04E3DB133EF931A3575BC0A9659C8B63

"Omar al-Bayoumi's role in the events leading up to September 11 plot was highlighted by a congressional report on the attacks released last week."

"Some of the section on him was deleted "in the interests of national security" but it says the FBI concluded that he had "connections to terrorist elements".

"One connection omitted from the congressional report is a money trail to the wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US. The FBI discovered that Princess Haifa had given $2,000 a month to the wife of Osama Bassnan, an associate of Mr Bayoumi."

Robert Baer, a former CIA officer and author said: "There are too many Saudis involved in this at every corner for it to be a coincidence."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jul/31/saudiarabia.september11

"Then, last November, Newsweek reported that Princess Haifa, the wife of the long-time Saudi Ambassador to the US Prince Bandar, had over the course of a couple years sent $130,000 in charitable donations to the wives of al-Bayoumi and another San Diego-based Saudi friend of the San Diego hijackers, Osama Bassnan."

“Bayoumi should be in jail,” Baer told me by telephone this week. “He is much more connected to September 11th than Zacarias Moussaoui.”

“As a former intelligence officer, I focus on these governments,” Baer says. “It’s a classic operation where a government sets up front companies. How did Bassnan get on Princess Haifa’s charity list? He didn’t just show up and write her a letter. The Saudis check these people.”
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/000011.html

So Prince Bandar aka Bandar Bush admits the hijackers were being tracked "with precision" by his own government...and yet he was funding known "terrorist" elements who were assisting these same hijackers. Guess who else knew all about these "hijackers" and were monitoring them? The mossad, and our own CIA. The evidence is overwhelming and some is mentioned on this thread. BTW they are still playing this BS game......

"Last March, Hersh reported that American policy in the Middle East had shifted to opposing Iran, Syria, and their Shia allies at any cost, even if it meant backing hardline Sunni jihadists."

"A key element of this policy shift was an agreement among Vice President Dick Cheney, Deputy National Security Advisor Elliot Abrams, and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi national security adviser, whereby the Saudis would covertly fund the Sunni Fatah al-Islam in Lebanon as a counterweight to the Shia Hezbollah."

"Hersh points out that the current situation is much like that during the conflict in Afghanistan in the 1980's – which gave rise to al Qaeda – with the same people involved in both the US and Saudi Arabia and the "same pattern" of the US using jihadists that the Saudis assure us they can control."
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Hersh_Bush_arranged_support_for_militants_0522.html

Now lets look at the other statement made by Bandar, where he states "If U.S. security authorities had engaged their Saudi counterparts in a serious and credible manner, in my opinion, we would have avoided what happened,"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/01/saudiarabia.terrorism/index.html

While he was funding the hijackers that were being tracked with precision, and the CIA were tracking the same "hijackers" and "accidentally" let them into the USA. They wound up having an FBI informant as a landlord. Gee....that's quite a coincidence and makes me wonder if just maybe the CIA wasn't so incompetent after all and let them in the USA on purpose. Perhaps this informant should be interviewed? The answer is no, G Bush doesn't want him interviewed. He wants him in a witness protection program and paid off. Bush wont allow him being questioned because the house of cards crumbles at that point, and he would rather risk obstruction of justice charges than charges of being a mass murdering traitor. The investigation is now over....

"The Administration has to date objected to the Inquiry’s efforts to interview the informant in order to attempt to resolve those inconsistencies. The Administration also would not agree to allow the FBI to serve a Committee subpoena and deposition notice on the informant. Instead, written interrogatories from the Joint Inquiry were, at the suggestion of the FBI, provided to the informant. Through an attorney, the informant has declined to respond to those interrogatories and has indicated that, if subpoenaed, the informant would request a grant of immunity prior to testifying."  page 51/858
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

The informant is then rewarded with a $100,000 payment for not cooperating with the Senate investigation into 9/11.

"In July 2003, the asset was given a $100,000 payment and closed as an asset."
footnote 197 page 38/141
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/oig/fbi-911/chap5.pdf

So the US intelligence asset working with Saudi Intelligence assets assisting the hijackers, and not cooperating with investigators were all protected and rewarded by Bush. That makes him a traitor. It's a proven fact. He may think he got away with it, but he didn't. It's there for all history to see.

And who else got rewarded for 9/11? The head of the CIA. Now common sense would tell you that if you were tracking these guys, and "accidentally" let them into the country. and it wasn't just the two in San Diego. It was all the "plotters",  and gee whiz...we really f**cked that up, and thousands died. You wouldn't get rewarded. And then as if that weren't bad enough your "intelligence failures" led to a war where hundreds of thousands of others died and trillions of dollars were used, (Iraq and it's non-existent stockpile of anthrax)...well...if I were President I think I would call this guy in and say "hey numbnutz, can you get anything right? You're making a fool out of me, you incompetent f**k!. You're fired and I'm opening an investigation to decide whether you should go to prison." But no......oddly enough he is given the highest award the President can give him. Why?

"The Presidential Medal of Freedom is the Nation's highest civil award. It was established by President Truman and later re-established by President Kennedy. It is awarded by the President of the United States to persons who have made especially meritorious contributions to the security or national interests of the United States, to world peace, or to cultural or other significant public or private endeavors."
http://www.medaloffreedom.com/GeorgeTenet.htm

Gee....it's almost as if the President owed him a favor.
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: jimd3100 August 05, 2009, 01:48:13 AM
A few months before 9/11 in May of 2001 a trial ended convicting terrorists of the African Embassy bombings. Just after 9/11 in Oct  2001 they were sentenced.

U.S. District Judge Leonard Sand issued the sentences at the federal courthouse in lower Manhattan where a jury convicted the four men in May for their connections to the coordinated attacks three years ago. In those attacks, 224 people died and about 4,500 were injured.
http://edition.cnn.com/2001/LAW/10/19/embassy.bombings/

On of those convicted, Mohamed al-Owhali, gives us a direct link to how intelligence agencies knew of a goldmine of Intelligence gathering directly related to the 9/11 plot. An operations center that was being monitored heavily.

From the indictment of the Embassy bombings of 1998.....

Beginning in or about 1996, the defendant
MOHAMED RASHED DAOUD AL-'OWHALI was trained in a number of camps
in Afghanistan, including a number of camps affiliated with al
Qaeda. AL-'OWHALI was trained in explosives, hijacking,
kidnaping, assassination and intelligence techniques;


Al-‘Owhali and Others Contact Yemen Telephone
On or about August 8, 1998, the defendant
MOHAMED RASHED DAOUD AL-'OWHALI, using the alias "Khalid Salim,"
contacted Yemen Telephone One from a pay telephone in Nairobi,
Kenya, twice;


On or about August 9, 1998, the defendant
MOHAMED RASHED DAOUD AL-'OWHALI, using the alias "Khalid Salim,"
contacted Yemen Telephone One from a pay telephone in Nairobi,
Kenya, twice;


On or about August 10, 1998, a coconspirator
using the Bin Laden Satellite Telephone contacted
Yemen Telephone One from Afghanistan;


On or about August 11, 1998, the
defendant MOHAMED RASHED DAOUD AL-'OWHALI obtained $1000 from a
money exchange house in Nairobi, Kenya, which also had a branch
office in Yemen;


On or about August 5, 1998, the defendant
MOHAMED RASHED DAOUD AL-‘OWHALI, using the alias "Khalid Salim,"
contacted a certain telephone number in Yemen ("Yemen Telephone One") from 43 New Runda Estates in Nairobi, Kenya;


On or about August 6, 1998, the defendant
MOHAMED RASHED DAOUD AL-‘OWHALI, using the alias "Khalid Salim,"
contacted Yemen Telephone One twice from 43 New Runda Estates in
Nairobi, Kenya;


On or about August 7, 1998, at 9:19 a.m.
(Nairobi Local Time), the defendant MOHAMED RASHED DAOUD AL-
‘OWHALI, using the alias "Khalid Salim," contacted Yemen
Telephone
One twice from 43 New Runda Estates in Nairobi, Kenya;

http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/reports/pdfs/binladen/indict.pdf

Osama bin Laden satellite phone calls Yemen
Communicant 1 Location 'Bin Laden Satellite Telephone', Afghanistan1
Communicant 2 Location 'Yemen Telephone One', Sanaa, Yemen1

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/osama_bin_laden_satellite_phone_calls_yemen.htm

Once again, I'd like to point out how absurd and insulting it was to have Bush lie to us over and over about the motives of those joining these groups. It isn't because "they hate your freedom".

9/9/98
"When asked what it would take for the fighting to stop, he stated that America would remain a target until the following three conditions were met: 1. No U.S. presence in the Arabian Peninsula; 2. Stop all aid to Israel and Serbia; 3. Do not use U.S. influence to stop Muslims from implementing the Sharia.

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/defense/767.pdf

Mohamed al-Owhali, provided a very important intelligence tool. The number and location of an operations center in Yemen......

"Author Lawrence Wright will say, “This Yemeni telephone number would prove to be one of the most important pieces of information the FBI would ever discover, allowing investigators to map the links of the al-Qaeda network all across the globe.”
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&projects_and_programs=complete_911_timeline_yemen_hub

The hub uses the telephone line of Ahmed al-Hada, who lives in Sana’a, Yemen.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=ahmed_al-hada

The communications hub is run by veteran mujaheddin Ahmed al-Hada, an associate of one of the embassy bombers, Mohamed al-Owhali.
The NSA continues to intercept calls to and from the hub after the embassy bombings.

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&projects_and_programs=complete_911_timeline_yemen_hub

a would-be suicide bomber should have died after a lorry filled with explosives was driven at the gates of the US embassy in Nairobi.

In all 213 people were killed, but at the last moment Muhammad Rashed Daoud al-Owhali, a 20-year-old Saudi from a wealthy family, jumped out

He was arrested in a seedy Nairobi hotel and then interrogated by the FBI. He co-operated and gave a detailed confession. He even provided the FBI with the phone number of an al-Qaeda safe house in Yemen, owned by Ahmed Al-Hada, an Osama bin Laden loyalist.

 THE PHONE LINK

Helped by the National Security Agency, the CIA staked out the house and waited.

The phone was tapped and eavesdropping bugs put in the house while spy satellites photographed every visitor.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20020609/ai_n12841550/?tag=content;col1

This "hub" is also where future 9/11 "hijacker" Khalid Almihdhar will come from....

A devoted follower of bin Laden, Hada offered to turn his house into a secret operations center for his friend in Afghanistan. While the rugged Afghan landscape provided bin Laden with security, it was too isolated and remote to manage the day-to-day logistics for his growing worldwide terrorist organization. His sole tool of communication was a gray, battery-powered $7,500 Compact-M satellite phone. About the size of a laptop computer, it could transmit and receive both voice phone calls and fax messages from virtually anywhere in the world over the Inmarsat satellite network. His phone number was 00-873-682505331; the 00 meant it was a satellite call, 873 indicated the phone was in the Indian Ocean area, and 682505331 was his personal number.

Also living in the house was Hada's daughter, Hoda, along with her husband, Khalid al-Mihdhar.

http://www.denverpost.com/excerpts/ci_10814333

late December 1999, Mihdhar was at the ops center when he received the phone call he had been waiting for. He and Hazmi were instructed to leave in a few days for Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, where their final, fatal mission to the U.S. would begin.
http://www.denverpost.com/excerpts/ci_10814333

The hub is run by an al-Qaeda veteran named Ahmed al-Hada, who is helped by his son Samir and is related to many other al-Qaeda operatives in Yemen and elsewhere. He is also the father in law of 9/11 hijacker Khalid Almihdhar, whose wife, Hoda al-Hada , lives at the hub with their children.
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=ahmed_al-hada

You see, this is how the CIA knew of the Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia meeting.

Mohamed al-'Owhali provided the telephone number of this safehouse to authorities after he was detained; the number was monitored by the National Security Agency thereafter.
•In 1999, the NSA picked up discussions of the impending meeting in Kuala Lumpur that is believed to have served as a planning vehicle for the Sept. 11 attacks. They also learned "Nawaf" and "Khalid" -- future hijackers Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar -- would be attending.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/ahmed_al-hada.htm

The story of this intelligence failure begins with a 1999 CIA breakthrough -- the interception of communications from an Al Qaeda logistics center in Yemen about a meeting of operatives that would take place in January 2000 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The names of two of the participants were mentioned: Khalid Almidhar and Nawaf Alhazmi.

Once in Kuala Lumpur, the Al Qaeda operatives were photographed -- at the CIA's request -- by Malaysian authorities at a series of meetings.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/could/

The men were followed at the request of the CIA. The Americans had intercepted a telephone call to Yemen in which Almihdhar detailed arrangements for the trip. The Americans didn't know Almihdhar, but they knew the number he called was used as a dispatch center for Al Qaeda. Bin Laden had called it dozens of times over a period of years in the late 1990s, according to court records....

The meeting occurred in early January 2000, just after a series of planned Al Qaeda millennium attacks failed. Intelligence officials believe the men met to discuss new attacks: the Cole and, given the timing, Sept. 11.

On Jan. 8, the men left Kuala Lumpur.

On Jan. 15, Almihdhar and Alhazmi arrived in Los Angeles
http://articles.latimes.com/2002/sep/01/nation/na-plot?pg=20

"In March 2000, Mihdhar signed up for WebTV Networks, a service that  would let him go online using his television instead of a computer and moniter. His email address was kkhd2002@yahoo.com and Hazmi's was hzi2002@yahoo.com. It was through e-mail that Mihdhar and Hazmi kept in communications with Bin Laden's operations chief Khalid Shaikh in Pakistan.

By March the NSA had been eavesdropping on their calls for months without passing on their location. They were living in the home of an FBI informant." Page 25-26
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385521324/centerforcoop-20#

The two men Al-Bayoumi brought to San Diego were Almihdhar and Alhazmi.
http://articles.latimes.com/2002/sep/01/nation/na-plot?pg=21

"The exact nature of Bayoumi's employment has remained unclear, but his close associates suspected him of being a Saudi intelligence officer."
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2008/02/2002-04-15-fbi-letterhead-memorandum.html

June 2001-Visa Issued to Almidhar
The State Department re-issues a visa to Khalid Almidhar, a Sept. 11 hijacker who was present at the January 2000 Malaysia meeting.


July 4, 2001--  Almidhar Re-enters U.S.
Khalid Almidhar re-enters the U.S. through JFK airport. He later meets with Mohamed Atta.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/etc/cron2.html

The CIA maintains that it did notify the FBI by e-mail of the Malaysia meetings soon after they occurred -- and that it did mention Almidhar had a U.S. visa. The FBI, however, states they have no record of this notification.

The CIA admits that it did not inform the bureau that after the Malaysia meetings ended, it tracked Almidhar and Alhazmi to Los Angeles. The CIA further admits that it failed to warn the INS or the State Department, and as a result, the men's names were not added to a terrorist watch list.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/could/

WASHINGTON —  President Bush on Tuesday awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to former CIA Director George Tenet

The medal is the highest civilian award and recognizes exceptional meritorious service.

Bush credited him as "one of the first to recognize and address the threat to America from radical networks." He said that after Sept. 11, Tenet was "ready with a plan to strike back at Al Qaeda and to topple the Taliban."

Asked on Tuesday whether Tenet's receipt of the medal signifies that Bush doesn't hold the former CIA director responsible for the flawed WMD intelligence, White House spokesman Scott McClellan responded: "This is a day to honor these individuals, and that's where we intend to keep our focus."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141468,00.html

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sW65ilskOC8/RjVEwlzlroI/AAAAAAAABfM/tBc81tsswCs/s320/BushTenetAward.jpg)

The fact that then-FBI Director Louis Freeh is now the attorney representing Prince Bandar in the BAE bribery case (Al Yamamah contract) is of direct relevance to the ongoing probe into what really was behind the 9/11 attacks. One senior U.S. intelligence source has emphasized that it is very likely that some of the cash paid out by Prince Bandar and Princess Haifa to the two Saudi intelligence officers, al-Bayoumi and Basnan, came directly out of the BAE bribe payments, wired to Bandar’s Saudi embassy account at Riggs National Bank.
http://news.eirna.com/207162/more-evidence-of-saudi-intelligence-role-in-911-attacks

(http://projects.publicintegrity.org/oil/images/gr_Saudi2.jpg)

"you are either with us or with the terrorists"- Pres G Bush
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,175755,00.html?iid=fb_share

(http://www.hermes-press.com/bush_kiss.jpg)

And a confidential German intelligence report gave a line-by-line description of tens of millions of dollars in bank transfers, with dates and dollar amounts, made in the early 1990s by Prince Salman bin Abdul Aziz and other members of the Saudi royal family to another charity that was suspected of financing militants’ activities in Pakistan and Bosnia.

One is a 28-page, classified section of the 2003 joint Congressional inquiry into the Sept. 11 attacks. The secret section is believed to discuss intelligence on Saudi financial links to two hijackers, and the Saudis themselves urged at the time that it be made public. President George W. Bush declined to do so.

Kristen Breitweiser, an advocate for Sept. 11 families, whose husband was killed in the World Trade Center, said in an interview that during a White House meeting in February between President Obama and victims’ families, the president told her that he was willing to make the pages public.

But she said she had not heard from the White House since then.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/world/middleeast/24saudi.html?_r=1

Prince Salman's legal counsel is William Jeffress Jr, of Houston-based Baker Botts LLP
http://documents.nytimes.com/evidence-of-financial-links-between-saudi-royal-family-and-al-qaeda#p=81

Baker Botts has a long and distinguished tradition of service to clients in Texas and around the world.
http://www.bakerbotts.com/about/

President George W. Bush today announced his intention to name Claude A. Allen Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy. He was an associate at Baker & Botts in Washington, D.C., from 1991 to 1995 and served as a professional staff member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee from 1985 to 1987.
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2005/01/20050105-6.html

The induction of George W. Bush into the Texas crony network can be traced to a precise date: June 6, 1962. On that date, the gregarious 15-year-old went to work in the mailroom of Houston's oldest and most prestigious law firm, Baker Botts.

Four decades later, the financial/political symbiosis between the Bushes and Baker Botts is stronger than ever. Indeed, no law firm in America has profited more from its association with the two Bush Administrations than Baker Botts.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20041011/bryce

"you are either with us or with the terrorists"- Pres G Bush
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,175755,00.html?iid=fb_share

FBI was told to blame Anthrax scare on Al Qaeda by White House officials

After the Oct. 5, 2001, death from anthrax exposure of Sun photo editor Robert Stevens, Mueller was "beaten up" during President Bush's morning intelligence briefings for not producing proof the killer spores were the handiwork of terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden, according to a former aide.

"They really wanted to blame somebody in the Middle East," the retired senior FBI official told The News.

On October 15, 2001, President Bush said, "There may be some possible link" to Bin Laden, adding, "I wouldn't put it past him." Vice President Cheney also said Bin Laden's henchmen were trained "how to deploy and use these kinds of substances, so you start to piece it all together."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/08/02/2008-08-02_fbi_was_told_to_blame_anthrax_scare_on_a.html

"you are either with us or with the terrorists"- Pres G Bush
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,175755,00.html?iid=fb_share

(http://santacruz.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/7/bush_terrorist.gif)
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: jimd3100 July 11, 2010, 11:02:00 AM
The 9-11 Commission was a cover up    

What is the Commission's mandate?

The Commission's mandate is to provide a “full and complete accounting” of the attacks of September 11, 2001 and recommendations as to how to prevent such attacks in the future.
 
Specifically, Section 604 of Public Law 107-306 requires the Commission to investigate "facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001," including those relating to intelligence agencies; law enforcement agencies; diplomacy; immigration, nonimmigrant visas, and border control; the flow of assets to terrorist organizations; commercial aviation; the role of congressional oversight and resource allocation; and other areas determined relevant by the Commission for its inquiry.

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/about/faq.htm#q1

G. Bush was confronted with the information contained in this thread for about 5 minutes by the 9-11 Commission, but only if he could sit next to D Cheney, and only if no one kept notes, and only if they were not put under oath and no recordings made.

John Lehman thought that he asked some of the tougher questions of Bush during the session, especially about the possibility of Saudi government ties to some of the hijackers. Lehman recalled asking Bush about the news reports that checks for thousands of dollars written by the wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador in Washington, might have been funneled to two of the hijackers in San Diego. "He dodged the questions," said Lehman.   page 344
http://www.amazon.com/Commission-Uncensored-History-11-Investigation/dp/0446580759/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271632815&sr=1-2

"I answered every question they asked" --G Bush after meeting with 9-11 Commission (1:55 mark of following video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vio68c0h-h4&feature=related

"He dodged the questions," said Lehman.[/i]  page 344
http://www.amazon.com/Commission-Uncensored-History-11-Investigation/dp/0446580759/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271632815&sr=1-2

The Commission's mandate is to provide a “full and complete accounting” of the attacks of September 11, 2001

Fail!

Soooooo....
Q: Who would you(you being Bush /Cheney) rather have "handling" these patsies...FBI? CIA? Or your friends in Saudi Intelligence? The answer of course is Saudi Intelligence. I'd like to remind you that the Saudi Intelligence and CIA both worked together using these "people who hate freedom" to destroy the evil Russian commies. Who benefited from that? But back then they were not people who hate freedom, but religious "freedom Fighters" !!! Brain washing, aint it great?
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: Anti_Illuminati August 30, 2010, 09:53:12 PM
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More on George Tenet:


http://nationalcorruptionindex.com/pages/profile.php?profile_id=208


George Tenet
Last Updated: May 01, 2008

George Tenet was the director of the CIA from 1997 to 2004. He resigned after the blame game over intelligence to justify the Iraq war, the outing of formerly undercover agent Valerie Wilson, and the failure of the CIA to prevent the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001.

Under Tenet, Deutsche Bank CEO “Buzzy” Krongard joined the CIA and helped launch In-Q-Tel, the agency’s “not-for-profit” venture capital fund, reportedly to accelerate the agency’s technological advances. For instance, In-Q-Tel funded SRA International to apply its “NetOwl” text mining technology to the CIA’s daily briefing reports. In-Q-Tel has also funded the IT contractor SafeWeb, which was acquired by Symantec in 2003. In-Q-Tel’s for-profit affiliate, In-Q-Tel Employees Fund LLC, often bought the same funds as In-Q-Tel, reaping profits as high as 1,400 percent on questionable penny-stock and pump-and-dump investments in corporations such as Ionatron and Electro-Energy.

Several months after his resignation, Tenet spoke at a conference where William Bonner, president of Agora Publishing, Inc., was also speaking. Agora touted the Ionatron stock and sometimes sent out promotional material that included the name of William Colby, the former CIA director who died in1996, in a mysterious “canoeing accident” on the Chesapeake Bay. In 2007 Agora was found guilty of fraud and fined $1.5 million for selling fake insider information in its newsletters.

Tenet also sits on the board of Viisage, a biometrics corporation led by Robert LaPenta with government contracts for passport and identity systems. LaPenta was a senior vice president at Loral Corporation in 1996 when a Chinese army space launch vehicle crashed with a Loral satellite aboard. (The ensuing investigation accused Loral of giving away missile secrets to China, and for that Loral paid a $14 million fine in 2002.) LaPenta founded L-1 after leaving L-3 Communications, which he founded in 1997 from a buyout of ten Lockheed Martin business units and where he served as CFO, president, and director.Tenet also serves on the boards of American Online (AOL) and Guidance Software, the self-proclaimed “world leader in computer investigations.” Guidance added Tenet to its board on March 22, 2006. In 2003, Guidance entered a strategic alliance to provide computer forensics to the government, with I2 Inc., a British technology firm with FBI contracts that was acquired by ChoicePoint in early 2005. Guidance also has strategic alliances with Computer Sciences Corporation (CSC) and Verisign. Amit Yoran joined Guidance Software’s board on September 14, 2005. (Yoran started cybersecurity firm RipTech, which Symantec bought in 2002 for $145 million. After serving as head of cybersecurity for DHS, Yoran was appointed as CEO of CIA-created In-Q-Tel on January 4, 2006. Yoran resigned after three months, shortly after hiring old friend and Carlyle Venture Partners veteran and Secure Elements director Mark Frantz.

Secure Elements, an enterprise security software vendor, is a major holding of The Carlyle Group and DCM (Doll Capital Management). (Carlyle also holds SemGroup, which bought Greyhawk from Falcon Gas Storage, an Arcapita holding.) Secure Elements has strategic partnerships with Juniper Networks, a California company that provides routers to China Telecom, and with Intellitactics, which partners with Verisign-owned iDefense.

Dixon Doll, Robert Grady, Ned Miller, and Mark Frantz—all key figures in major CIA contracts—sit on the Secure Elements board. Grady, a managing director at Carlyle, is a former Associate Director of OMB under George H.W. Bush. Miller was an executive at Recourse Technologies, which was backed by DCM and was acquired by Symantec for $135 million in 2002. Frantz was the Associate Director of President George H.W. Bush’s Office of Intergovernmental Affairs.

Sources

    * Robert LaPenta summary
    * baltimoreimc.org/newswire/display/11325/
    * “SEC'S AGORA-PHOBIA: FRAUD SUIT RESPONDS TO FEARS OVER INTERNET TOUT SHEETS,” The New York Post, April 21, 2003, Christopher Byron
    * “PENNY STOCK SPIES - CIA FUND INSIDERS LURKED BEHIND THREE SHAKY STOCKS,” The New York Post, April 25, 2005, Christopher Byron
    * www.in-q-tel.org
: What is the (Gov) Deal with Ali Mohamed?
: jimd3100 December 03, 2010, 09:02:43 PM
Before 9/11, In 2001,  From Feb to July 2001 a trial was going on in NYC. It was called "USA v. Usama bin Laden et al". It was over in July 2001 but not the sentencing part.
The sentencing came after 9/11 in Oct 2001. The only defendant that didn't receive his sentencing was the only one that had already pleaded guilty. His name was Ali Mohammed.

Here's Mr Al CIAduh himself....
(http://cdn.historycommons.org/images/events/a262_ali_mohamed_passport_2050081722-9872.jpg)

"Daily transcripts of the USA v. Usama bin Laden et al trial in the Southern District of New York.".....
http://cryptome.org/usa-v-ubl-dt.htm

October 21, 2001
"The curtain came down on the embassy bombings trial on Thursday when a federal judge sentenced four men to life in prison for attacks on U.S. embassies in East Africa three years ago."
"Mohamed al-'Owhali, Khalfan Khamis Mohamed, Mohamed Odeh and Wadih el Hage each got life without parole for their roles in near simultaneous attacks August 7, 1998, on embassies at Kenya and Tanzania." "The sentencing marked the conclusion of the only U.S. prosecution to date involving members of al Qaeda, the militant group headed by accused terrorist Osama bin Laden."
"Besides the four men sentenced on Thursday, another defendant, Ali Mohamed, pleaded guilty last year."

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/LAW/10/19/embassy.bombings/

Here is a little background on this Ali Mohamed, a former Egyptian Army Intelligence officer who became an American citizen, was a U.S. Intelligence asset, and helped set up and train the Al Qaeda network.

"In 1981, while Islamist members of his Egyptian Army unit carried out the assassination of President Anwar Sadat in Cairo, Mohamed took part in a foreign officer training exercise at Fort Bragg, North Carolina; at the end of the four-month course he was given a diploma bearing a green beret. At some point during this exercise Mohamed was approached by representatives of the CIA, who sought to recruit him as a foreign asset; the results of that meeting are unknown."
http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony/profile_pdf/ali-mohammed.pdf

"In 1984 Mohammed boldly walked into the Cairo station of the CIA to offer his services." page 204
http://www.amazon.com/Looming-Tower-Qaeda-Road-Vintage/dp/1400030846/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

And here is the cover story the CIA put out to show that he doesn't work for them. It is not believable for several reasons.....

"After the C.I.A. agreed to work with him, Mr. Mohamed made contact with a group of Hezbollah adherents in Germany, according to American officials."
"Within weeks, the agency learned that Mr. Mohamed had taken that opportunity to reveal to the terrorists that he was working for the C.I.A."
"It is not known whether Mr. Mohamed set out to be a double agent on his own, or whether he was at this point acting under the influence or instructions of an Islamic group.
The C.I.A., however, decided to have nothing more to do with him."

http://cryptome.org/nyt-mohamed.htm

The official story is, the FBI, the CIA, the Army, The State Department, and the Department of Defense were all duped by Ali Mohammed who actually infiltrated them instead of
terrorist groups. Now, if I was part of an outlaw group, and someone wanted to join who admitted that they were an intelligence agent for the government, I would not want
them near the group, even if they said, "it's OK, I'll work for you guys not the Government". They simply could not be trusted. Besides....

"Mr. Mohamed arrived in New York on Sept. 6, 1985, and eventually settled in California."
http://cryptome.org/nyt-mohamed.htm

How is it possible he was even let into the country if the CIA knew he double crossed them? Because the "betrayal" seems to be a CIA cover story.....

Here they are putting out the cover story....

"Reporters at various news agencies were later told by anonymous sources in the CIA that Mohamed had immediately announced himself as a CIA plant to people at the
Hamburg mosque but, due to the presence of an additional CIA asset there, the Agency quickly learned of his betrayal and dropped him."

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony/profile_pdf/ali-mohammed.pdf

However, it doesn't ring true......

Boston Globe:
"Ali Mohamed, a shadowy individual described by defense attorneys as a key figure in the largest terrorism trial in US history, came to the United States in the early or mid-
1980s under clandestine CIA sponsorship, government sources told the Globe."
"Ali Mohamed, described at the bombing trial that opened Monday in New York as a sergeant in the US Special Forces, is said by defense attorneys to have provided the 12
defendants with their initial training in the handling of bombs and weapons. At that time, in the late 1980s, defense lawyers say, Ali Mohamed was encouraging them to take
part in the "jihad," or holy war against Soviet troops in Afghanistan. That jihad was actively supported by the CIA."


"Senior officials say Mohamed, who is of Egyptian origin, benefited from a little known visa-waiver program that allows the CIA and other security agencies to bring valuable
agents into the country, bypassing the usual immigration formalities. Intelligence sources say that waivers are controlled by the CIA's Department of Operations, the clandestine
side of the agency, and have been used "sparingly" in recent years."

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/boston/access/21413240.html?dids=21413240:21413240&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Feb+03%2C+1995&author=Paul+Quinn-Judge+and+Charles+M.+Sennott%2C+Globe+Staff&pub=Boston+Globe+%28pre-1997+Fulltext%29&desc=Figure+cited+in+terrorism+case+said+to+enter+US+with+CIA+help+Defense+says+defendants+trained+by+him&pqatl=google

That report in the Boston Globe is from 1995 during a previous trial involving the first WTC 1993 bombing. This Ali Mohamed sure gets around doesn't he? But he never
testifies, he just goes back "to work".  

The CIA visa waiver program:

"While perhaps “little known,” this authority was granted to the Director of National Intelligence by the Central Intelligence Agency Act of 1949 and codified in 50 U.S.C. §403h,
which states that if “the admission of a particular alien into the United States for permanent residence is in the interest of national security or essential to the furtherance of the
national intelligence mission, such alien and his immediate family shall be admitted to the United States for permanent residence without regard to their inadmissibility under
the immigration or any other laws and regulations….”

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony/profile_pdf/ali-mohammed.pdf

The CIA put out the cover story that he was a double agent.

"Reporters at various news agencies were later told by anonymous sources in the CIA that Mohamed had immediately announced himself as a CIA plant to people at the
Hamburg mosque but, due to the presence of an additional CIA asset there, the Agency quickly learned of his betrayal and dropped him."

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/harmony/profile_pdf/ali-mohammed.pdf

There is no reason to believe this. Because.....

"In 1995, after Mohamed’s name publicly surfaces at the trial of Sheikh Omar Abdul-Rahman, the Boston Globe will report that Mohamed had been admitted to the US under a
special visa program controlled by the CIA’s clandestine service. This will contradict the CIA’s later claims of disassociating themselves from Mohamed and attempting to stop
him from entering the US."

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=ali_mohamed

So he comes to the U.S. thanks to a special visa-waiver program sponsored by the CIA who are pretending to not have anything to do with him.....

"A year later, he enlisted in the American Army, and was assigned to the Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg, where the Army trains its Special Forces."
http://cryptome.org/nyt-mohamed.htm

"He managed to get stationed at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School at Fort Bragg, North Carolina." page 205
http://www.amazon.com/Looming-Tower-Qaeda-Road-Vintage/dp/1400030846/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

"The John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School - the Army's special operations university - is responsible for special operations training, leader development,
doctrine, and personnel advocacy. The center and school's Training Group conducts the complete spectrum of special operations training. In addition to its training role, the
school also tests new equipment."


"The Special Warfare Center and School began as the Psychological Warfare Division of the Army General School at Fort Riley, KS, in 1951. The school moved to Fort Bragg in
1952. Civil-affairs classes were added to the curriculum when the Civil Affairs School moved from Fort Gordon, GA, to Fort Bragg in 1971. In 1961, the school established the
Special Forces Training Group to train enlisted volunteers for assignments in special forces groups."


"The first step for a soldier wishing to become Special Forces qualified is Special Forces Assessment and Selection; a 24-day course designed to focus on student trainability
and suitability in Special Forces. The SFAS cadre look at nearly 1,800 Special Forces volunteers each year to determine who is suitable for Special Forces training and to
determine who may be unable to adapt to the Special Forces environment. Candidates attend SFAS at Camp MacKall, N.C. in a temporary duty (TDY) status. Candidates who
enter this course find themselves under constant evaluation starting with the day they in-process until the day they out-process."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/jfksws.htm

"In 1989, officers at Fort Bragg cast Mr. Mohamed as the star of a series of training videotapes intended to give soldiers a taste of how Islamic radicals view the world."
http://cryptome.org/nyt-mohamed.htm

Mr Al CIAduh's Army Training Video:
(http://cdn.historycommons.org/images/events/425_middle_east_focus2050081722-9741.jpg)

Excerpt from Army instructional video on the Middle East featuring Al Qaeda/CIA member Ali Mohamed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-GzTtF_2ck

"Toward the end of his service in the Army, Mr. Mohamed asked to be introduced to the C.I.A.'s representative at Fort Bragg, a former Army officer said."
http://cryptome.org/nyt-mohamed.htm

His work for the CIA and the Department of Defense seems to be to help set up a new enemy for the Military Industrial Complex now that the Soviet Union has collapsed.

"The evidence for Mohamed's role in the 1993 bombing is substantial and -- by the standards of most terrorism investigations -- extraordinarily concrete.
    * Mohamed trained several members of the Brooklyn terror cell responsible for the bombing, including Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohamed Salameh, and Siddig Siddig Ali,
according to extensive court records, testimony and physical evidence.
    * When Ramzi Yousef and an accomplice entered the U.S. in 1992 to begin work on the bombing, they were carrying terrorist training material directly linked to Mohamed,
according to physical evidence presented in court.
    * Yousef and his accomplice flew into the country after visting an al Qaeda encampment where -- according to multiple eyewitness accounts -- Mohamed was working as a
trainer and assembling terrorist training manuals.
    * On entering the country, Yousef immediately contacted two of Mohamed's trainees, both of whom were later indicted for the World Trade Center bombing, court records
show.
The 9/11 Commission's final report concluded that the WTC bombing had been crafted in Afghanistan during the summer of 1992, when Yousef and Mohamed were both in the
region. Yousef's support network when he arrived in the United States consisted almost entirely of figures with links to Mohamed."


"But when the Brooklyn cell was finally indicted in 1993, Ali A. Mohamed was not one of the defendants. He wasn't a witness. Through a tangle of intrigues, negotiations and
apparent investigative oversights, Mohamed escaped prosecution until after the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa"

http://intelwire.egoplex.com/unlocking911-1-ali-mohamed-wtc.html

"Mohamed escaped prosecution until after the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa" -- But Mohamed did escape sentencing. He's never been sentenced, and
he's not in prison.

October 21, 2001
"Mohamed's relationship with the FBI and intelligence services remains wrapped in secrecy. His plea agreement is sealed, as are many of the court documents and much of the
testimony. Mohamed was expected to testify -- but did not -- at the trial where the four others were convicted. Mohamed and his lawyer have declined all interview requests."

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/alqaedat.htm

"Mohamed was expected to testify -- but did not"

Instead an al qaeda member named L'HOUSSAINE KHERCHTOU turned states witness and testified instead of Ali Mohammed. We know what deal KHERCHTOU got. It was
revealed in court testimony....

Court testimony of L'HOUSSAINE KHERCHTOU

"February 27, 2001
Q.  You have been living here since approximately September of
2000, correct?
A.  Correct.
Q.  And the government has agreed to assist you in becoming
part of what is known as the Witness Protection Program,
correct?
A.  Yes.
Q.  And the United States has paid to move members of your
family here to the United States also to live in this country,
correct?
A.  Correct."

http://cryptome.org/usa-v-ubl-11.htm

Ali Mohammed's cover seems to have been wearing thin by the time of the embassy bombings as court testimony shows....

Ali Mohammed was known as Abu Mohamed al Amriki or Jeff to jihadis.....

Court testimony of L'HOUSSAINE KHERCHTOU:

"21 February 2001
Q   Who was the trainer who taught you this surveillance
training?
A   It was Abu Mohamed al Amriki.
Q   Can you tell the jury what al Amriki means.
A   The American.
Q   The person that you knew as Abu Mohamed, the American,
what nationality did he appear to be?
A   What is his nationality?
Q   Yes.
A   He is Egyptian."

http://cryptome.org/usa-v-ubl-08.htm

Mohammed Atef certainly didn't trust Ali Mohammed, that is who is referred to in court transcripts as Abu Hafs el Masry.....

"Mohammed Atef (also known as Abu Hafs) was the alleged military chief of al-Qaida, although his role in the organisation was not well-known by intelligence agencies for
years. His death in November 2001 was one of the United States' largest and first victories in the War on Terror."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Atef

Court testimony of L'HOUSSAINE KHERCHTOU:

"22 February 2001
Q   Are you familiar with anyone who used the nickname Jeff?
A   Yes.  That was Mohamed al Amriki.
Q   Did you ever discuss with Wadih El Hage whether or not Abu
Hafs el Masry, the military committee person, trusted Abu
Mohamed al Amriki, the surveillance person?
A   Yes.
Q   Can you tell us what you recall about that conversation.
A   It was about Abu Hafs el Masry, the commander, wanted to
travel to Sudan and wanted somebody, whether me or Wadia or
Haroun, to book a flight to go to Sudan, but he doesn't want
that Abu Mohamed al Amriki to see his passport or the name he
is using, and I was very angry.  I told him why you don't
trust him, and Wadia told me that al Hafs doesn't want him,
doesn't want Abu Mohamed al Amriki to see his name, because he
was afraid that maybe he is working with United States or
other governments.
"

http://cryptome.org/usa-v-ubl-09.htm

"Mohamed al-'Owhali, Khalfan Khamis Mohamed, Mohamed Odeh and Wadih el Hage each got life without parole for their roles in near simultaneous attacks August 7, 1998,
on embassies at Kenya and Tanzania."

http://edition.cnn.com/2001/LAW/10/19/embassy.bombings/

In the FBI report Mohamed al-'Owhali also shows that Ali Mohamed was labeled untrustworthy, reveals that Mohamed taught al Qaeda how to use "cells" but his cover is being
blown.....

FBI 302, dated 9/9/98 of interviews of Mohammad al-Owali:

"Subject further advised that he believes that this type of "cell" training was, at one time, taught in the Bin Ladin camps by an Egyptian male, who was trained by either the
American military or intelligence agency. Subject does not know this Egyptian's name but added that he is no longer a part of Bin Ladin's training camps because he had been
labeled untrustworthy.
Subject believes this person lives in the United States."
 page 5/18
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/defense/767.pdf

L'HOUSSAINE KHERCHTOU also mentioned during the trial, of Al Qaeda wanting trained pilots......

Court testimony of L'HOUSSAINE KHERCHTOU:

"February 27, 2001
Q.  And after being asked to become a member of al Qaeda, they
asked you to take training -- "they" meaning al Qaeda as
leaders -- asked you to take training as a pilot, correct?
A.  When?  When was that?  After I graduated?  After I joined
al Qaeda?
Q.  After you joined al Qaeda, you were asked to take training
as a pilot, correct?
A.  I joined the al Qaeda in 1991 and I was offered the
training to be a pilot in 1993."

http://cryptome.org/usa-v-ubl-11.htm

Before the trial even started conspirator Mohammad al-Owali gave investigators a gold mine of intelligence.

FBI 302, dated 9/9/98 of interviews of Mohammad al-Owali:

"Subject made a series of phone calls to his friend in yemen, Ahmed al-hazza at phone number 967 1 200 578." page 14/18
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/defense/767.pdf

Ahmed al-hazza is more commonly known as Ahmed al-hada.

"Ahmad Mohammad Ali al-Hada ran an al-Qaeda safehouse in Sanaa, Yemen, from 1998 or earlier thorugh 2000 or later. Embassy bombings suspect Mohamed al-'Owhali
provided the telephone number of this safehouse to authorities after he was detained; the number was monitored by the National Security Agency thereafter.
In 1999, the NSA picked up discussions of the impending meeting in Kuala Lumpur that is believed to have served as a planning vehicle for the Sept. 11 attacks. They also
learned "Nawaf" and "Khalid" -- future hijackers Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar -- would be attending."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/ahmed_al-hada.htm

"Interrogated by a team of FBI agents, al-Owhali gave up the key relay number(011-967-1-200-578) - the telephone number of Ahmed al-Hada."

"NSA immediately began intercepting al-Hada's telephone calls......The importance of the intercepted al-Hada telephone calls remains today a highly classified secret within the
intelligence community, which continues to insist that al-Hada be referred to only as a "suspected terrorist facility in the Middle East" in declassified reports regarding the 9/11
intelligence disaster."

http://books.google.com/books?id=x_K2rb-OShMC&pg=PA210&lpg=PA210&dq=%22967+1+200+578%22&source=bl&ots=eqcvN8Y3ZE&sig=wkpTeis95vflS5pPIFsCbcBNpB8&hl=en&ei=FY71TPHmCsKqlAf6-LzIBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CDkQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22967%201%20200%20578%22&f=false

That phone number was to Al Qaeda's communication hub. It also was the home of future 9-11 hijacker Khailid al-Mihdar.

"Also living in the house was Hada's doughter, Hoda along with her husband, Khailid al-Mihdar.....He had been training in secret for months to lead a massive airborne terrorist
attack against the U.S. Now he was just waiting for the phone call to begine the operation.
" page 8
http://books.google.com/books?id=8zJmxWNTxrwC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=967+1+200+578&source=bl&ots=Yx_9mvfIoX&sig=UwauF7alfJzMaa9uKfME0EZnifk&hl=en&ei=PYz1TJKOAYW8lQfiotCQBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=967%201%20200%20578&f=false

"And in the Sept. 11 hijacking, U.S. officials told NBC News that the hijackers left messages on the Yemen phone for others to pick up."
http://www.bouwman.com/911/Operation/Yemen/Feb-15.html

"Snoops at the National Security Agency’s headquarters in Maryland knew that when Osama dialed 011-967-1-200-578, he was checking in on his global operations center,
located in a private home in Yemen. By 2000, the NSA was eavesdropping on calls between that house and a young man who had recently moved out. Agents knew the man’s
name and suspected him to be an international terrorist. The fact that his calls were coming from inside the United States escaped their notice."

http://mobile.theweek.com/article/index/90129/the-shadow-factory-the-ultra-secret-nsa-from-911-to-the-eavesdropping-on-america-by-james-bamford

"The fact that his calls were coming from inside the United States escaped their notice."  Yea, sure it did.

"Hijackers Lived With FBI Informant
Two of the Sept. 11 hijackers who lived in San Diego in 2000 rented a room from a man who reportedly worked as an undercover FBI informant....Newsweek magazine reports
that Khalid Al- Mihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi lived with a "tested" undercover "asset" who had been working closely with the FBI office in San Diego."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/09/attack/main521223.shtml

That wasn't just the phone number to a 9/11 hijacker. It was a communications hub. Probably the most important phone number they could have got from any of the hijackers.

But they also had the name and phone number of another 9/11 hijacker before he ever was allowed to come to the U.S.

"C.I.A. WAS GIVEN DATA ON HIJACKER LONG BEFORE 9/11"
"In March 1999, German intelligence officials gave the Central Intelligence Agency the first name and telephone number of Marwan al-Shehhi, and asked the Americans to track him."

"The Germans considered the information on Mr. Shehhi particularly valuable, and the commission is keenly interested in why it apparently did not lead to greater scrutiny of him."

"The independent commission investigating the attacks has received information on the 1999 Shehhi tip, and is actively investigating the issue, said Philip Zelikow, executive director of the commission."

"The incident is of particular importance because Mr. Shehhi was a crucial member of the Qaeda cell in Hamburg at the heart of the Sept. 11 plot. Close surveillance of Mr. Shehhi in 1999 might have led investigators to other plot leaders, including Mohammed Atta, who was Mr. Shehhi's roommate."

"Asked whether American intelligence officials gave sufficient attention to the information about Mr. Shehhi, Mr. Zelikow said, ''We haven't reached any conclusions.''

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/24/us/cia-was-given-data-on-hijacker-long-before-9-11.html

I don't remember reading any of this in the 9-11 Commission report. I remember reading this.....

"Shehhi obtained his visa on January 18, 2000"  -- 9-11 Commission report
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch5.htm

Why? Why are these people being given visas when they are known al Qaeda operatives?

"A conversation on the Hada phone at the end of 1999 mentioned a forthcoming
meeting of Al Qaeda operatives in Malaysia. The C.I.A. learned the name
of one participant, Khaled al-Mihdhar, and the first name of another: Nawaf.
Both men were Saudi citizens. The C.I.A. did not pass this intelligence to the F.B.I."


"However, the C.I.A. did share the information with Saudi authorities, who
told the agency that Mihdhar and a man named Nawaf al-Hazmi were members
of Al Qaeda. Based on this intelligence, the C.I.A. broke into a hotel room in
Dubai where Mihdhar was staying, en route to Malaysia. The operatives photocopied
Mihdhar’s passport and faxed it to Alec Station, the C.I.A. unit devoted
to tracking bin Laden. Inside the passport was the critical information that Mihdhar had a U.S. visa."

http://www.lawrencewright.com/WrightSoufan.pdf

"The agency frequently decided not to share intelligence
with the F.B.I. on the ground that it would compromise “sensitive
sources and methods.” For example, the C.I.A. collected other crucial information
about Mihdhar that it did not provide to the F.B.I. Mihdhar, it turned out, was the son-in-law of Ahmed al-
Hada, the Al Qaeda loyalist in Yemen whose phone number operated as the network’s switchboard."

http://www.lawrencewright.com/WrightSoufan.pdf

Before the trial  "USA v. Usama bin Laden et al" started he was the only defendant to plead guilty....

Ali Mohamed speaks.....

"This transcript is from an appearance by Ali Mohamed before Judge Sand on October 20, 2000. Mr. Mohamed is one of 17 defendants in the bombing of US Embassies in
Kenya and Sudan. And now the only one to plead guilty."

http://cryptome.org/usa-v-mohamed.htm

"New York, N.Y.
October 20, 2000

THE COURT:  Your offer is to plead guilty to five counts charging you with conspiracy to kill nationals of the United States, conspiracy to murder, kidnap and maim at places
outside of the United States, conspiracy to murder, conspiracy to destroy buildings and property of the United States, and conspiracy to destroy national-defense utilities of the
United States. Do you understand that pursuant to the relevant statutes, conviction on those five counts would subject you to a total maximum sentence of incarceration of life
imprisonment plus any term of years.  Do you understand that you would be subject to that potential sentence?
THE DEFENDANT:  Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT:  Then do I understand that you are offering to plead guilty because you believe that you are guilty?
THE DEFENDANT:  Yes, your Honor.
THE COURT:  The Court finds that there is a knowing, voluntary plea of guilty which encompasses all of the elements of the charges to which the defendant has offered to
plead guilty, and the plea is accepted. The plea may be entered.  We will set a sentencing date of nine months from today as a control date."

http://cryptome.org/usa-v-mohamed.htm

"We will set a sentencing date of nine months from today as a control date."
http://cryptome.org/usa-v-mohamed.htm

Well it's been over 10 years now and he has never been sentenced. You can't visit him in jail either because there is no record of him in any prison.

"Mohamed's lawyers, James Roth and Lloyd Epstein, have steadfastly resisted any attempts by journalists to get the full story."
http://www.readersread.com/excerpts/triplecross.htm

"His wife, Linda Sanchez, remains loyal to him and hopeful that some day the Feds will set him free."
"He's done a lot for the government," she said in an exclusive interview for this book. "Someday you'll know it all, but I can't discuss it."

http://www.readersread.com/excerpts/triplecross.htm

The love of his life his wife was really just a citizenship card.....

"Mohamed was traveling from Egypt to New York, he said, while the divorcee, a medical technician from Santa Clara, was returning to the West Coast after a vacation in
Greece, according to two longtime acquaintances who asked not to be named because of safety concerns."
"Within a few days of arriving in the United States, Mohamed phoned the divorcee and then turned up in the Bay Area, according to the acquaintances. After a six-week
courtship, they were married in Reno."
"Mohamed's wife seemed genuinely devoted to her husband, but the acquaintances suspected that, for him, it may have been "a marriage of convenience," as one put it -- a
way to obtain a "green card" and an American home."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/09/21/MN224103.DTL&hw=ali%20mohamed&ao=2

Take a look at the following two headlines. The Government was ordered by the Judge to reveal to defense attorneys the deal made with Ali Mohamed.

"Lawyers Seeking to Expose Plea Deal in Bombings Case
Published: May 06, 2001
The terms of Mr. Mohamed's plea bargain with the government remain secret, but his brief courtroom assertion remains the most direct public statement linking Mr. bin Laden
and the 1998 Nairobi attack, which along with a nearly simultaneous bombing in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killed 224 people."

"Yet, during nearly three months of testimony in the bombings trial, prosecutors never called Mr. Mohamed to the stand to repeat his allegations about Mr. bin Laden's role, nor
did they offer the jury any other direct evidence that so decisively tied Mr. bin Laden to either attack."

"Now, with the jury poised to begin deliberations this week, there is a struggle going on as lawyers for the two defendants who could face the death penalty are trying to pull
Mr. Mohamed and his secret deal with the government into the open."

"They hope to show that leaders of the conspiracy got deals and will not even stand trial, while their client, a low-level participant, could be put to death if convicted."
"The prosecution, however, has refused to provide the broad information they are seeking, and the matter is before Judge Leonard B. Sand."

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/06/nyregion/lawyers-seeking-to-expose-plea-deal-in-bombings-case.html

"Terror Case To End Secrets Of Plea Deals By Informers
Published: May 12, 2001
A federal judge in the embassy bombings trial ordered the government yesterday to turn over to the defense records of any secret deals that it has made with certain
informants who have agreed to cooperate in the investigation of Osama bin Laden. The order covers people who were members of what the government calls Mr. bin Laden's
terrorist conspiracy."

"The broad ruling by Judge Leonard B. Sand of Federal District Court in Manhattan, which came over the strong objections of prosecutors, also covers any such deals made
with foreign governments that American prosecutors are aware of."

"The order covers an agreement struck with a former American Army sergeant, Ali A. Mohamed, who pleaded guilty to terrorism conspiracy last year and admitted that he
scouted out the American Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, as a potential bombing target, and later watched as Mr. bin Laden looked at a photograph ''and pointed to where a truck
could go as a suicide bomber.''

"The terms of Mr. Mohamed's deal with the government and the sentence he may receive in return for any cooperation have never been made public."

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00D15FB355F0C718DDDAC0894D9404482

"The order covers an agreement struck with a former American Army sergeant, Ali A. Mohamed, who pleaded guilty to terrorism conspiracy last year and admitted that he
scouted out the American Embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, as a potential bombing target, and later watched as Mr. bin Laden looked at a photograph ''and pointed to where a truck
could go as a suicide bomber.''

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00D15FB355F0C718DDDAC0894D9404482

Terror Case To End Secrets Of Plea Deals By Informers
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00D15FB355F0C718DDDAC0894D9404482

But the Government simply ignored the Judges order. They never revealed a thing. It is in fact, still a secret.

"November 12, 2001
now in protective custody, who helped plan past terror attacks. Ali Mohamed, a former member of both the Egyptian and U.S. militaries and an Al-Qaida operative"

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=SJ&s_site=mercurynews&p_multi=SJ&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EFD39386C336F99&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

"protective custody    
Under the program, the U.S. attorney general is authorized to offer security to key witnesses who have physical safety concerns. The program, which is administered by the
U.S. Marshals Service, provides a new Social Security number and other documents to enable the person to establish a new identity. It also provides housing, transportation of
household goods to a new residence, payments to meet basic living expenses, employment assistance, and other services necessary to assist the person in becoming self-
sustaining. The witness's immediate family or a person closely associated with the witness may be provided similar assistance under the program."


"In return for this assistance, the witness and family members over eighteen years of age must each sign a memorandum of agreement. The witness must agree to testify and
provide information to law enforcement officials. In addition, the person must agree not to commit any crime and to take all necessary steps to avoid detection. Most witnesses
remain in the program for two years before pursuing their new lives on their own."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/protective+custody

So his "punishment" wasn't getting life in prison, it was receiving a whole new life with the rest of us footing the bill.

This person never received a prison sentence.......

"And Mohamed was one of the primary sources for the infamous Aug. 6, 2001, Presidential Daily Brief entitled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In U.S."
http://intelwire.egoplex.com/unlocking911-1-ali-mohamed-911.html#_ednref1

"Whether or not Mohamed knew the particulars of the 9/11 plot, he knew a lot. Businesses and institutions exploited by Mohamed and his close associates were re-used by
virtually all of the 9/11 hijackers as they prepared for the attack."

http://intelwire.egoplex.com/unlocking911-1-ali-mohamed-911.html

"Ali Mohamed was training al Qaeda operatives in bomb-making and other skills for a significant portion of 1992, including (at minimum) the month of September."
http://intelwire.egoplex.com/unlocking911-1-ali-mohamed-wtc.html

"He had been training the first al-Qaeda volunteers in techniques of unconventional warfare, including kidnappings, assassinations, and hijacking planes"  page 206
http://www.amazon.com/Looming-Tower-Qaeda-Road-Vintage/dp/1400030846/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

"Subject further advised that he believes that this type of "cell" training was, at one time, taught in the Bin Ladin camps by an Egyptian male, who was trained by either the
American military or intelligence agency."
 page 5/18
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/defense/767.pdf

"He wrote the multivolume terrorist training guide that became al-Qaeds's playbook" page 205
http://www.amazon.com/Looming-Tower-Qaeda-Road-Vintage/dp/1400030846/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

"Ali Mohammed, taught a course on surveillance, using techniques he had picked up from the U.S. Special Forces(bin Laden himself took Mohammed's first course as a
student)."
 page 215
http://www.amazon.com/Looming-Tower-Qaeda-Road-Vintage/dp/1400030846/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

"Ali Mohammed trained bin Laden's bodyguards."  page 220
http://www.amazon.com/Looming-Tower-Qaeda-Road-Vintage/dp/1400030846/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

I even contacted one of the defense attorneys involved in the case to ask if the judges order was ever fulfilled as to what kind of deal was made with Ali Mohamed and was told
this....

"To my knowledge, Ali Mohammed has never been sentenced.  As I recall (not having the documents in my possession any longer), he plead guilty to crimes carrying maximum
sentences of lifetime imprisonment.  It is obvious he was cooperating w/ the government and, therefore, that cooperation would have figured in a major way in any sentence he
ultimately received.  But, as stated, I do not have any information that he has ever been sentenced, is in custody, etc."


Ali Mohamed was an American Intelligence asset who worked closely with Osama Bin Laden a Saudi Intelligence asset in creating and setting up the Al Qaeda terrorist network.

You are supposed to believe that Ali Mohamed turned against his Government masters but the evidence does not support that. You are supposed to believe that Bin Laden
turned against his Government master but the evidence doesn't support that either. In fact if you were the Saudi Government having your asset in charge of the nutjobs that
want to overthrow you is just where you'd want him. This is American Intelligence and Saudi Intelligence working together.

This from the Report Of The Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks Of September 11, 2001 –By The House Permanent Select Committee On Intelligence And The Senate Select
Committee On Intelligence:

"According to a U. S. Government official, it was clear from about 1996 that the Saudi Government would not cooperate with the United States on matters relating to Usama Bin
Ladin
[redacted redacted redacted] reemphasized the lack of Saudi cooperation and stated that there was little prospect of future cooperation regarding Bin Ladin. [redacted]
told the Joint Inquiry that he believed the U.S. Government’s hope of eventually obtaining Saudi cooperation was unrealistic because Saudi assistance to the U.S. Government
on this matter is contrary to Saudi national interests.
"
 Page 142/858
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

This is American Intelligence and Saudi Intelligence working together.....

"Ali Mohammed trained bin Laden's bodyguards."  page 220
http://www.amazon.com/Looming-Tower-Qaeda-Road-Vintage/dp/1400030846/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

This is American Intelligence and Saudi Intelligence working together.....

"The C.I.A. did not pass this intelligence to the F.B.I."
"However, the C.I.A. did share the information with Saudi authorities, who
told the agency that Mihdhar and a man named Nawaf al-Hazmi were members
of Al Qaeda."

http://www.lawrencewright.com/WrightSoufan.pdf

This is American Intelligence and Saudi Intelligence working together.....

"Sources: Hijackers' ex-landlord was FBI informant"
http://articles.cnn.com/2002-09-11/us/ar911.hijackers.landlord_1_fbi-informant-future-hijackers-almidhar-and-alhazmi?_s=PM:US

Was this FBI Informant also a CIA or Saudi Informant? He was introduced to the hijackers by a Saudi Intelligence agent named Al- Bayoumi...

"One of the FBI’s best sources in San Diego informed the FBI that he thought that al-Bayoumi must be an intelligence officer for Saudi Arabia or another foreign power." page 226/858 (from congress/senate Inquiry)
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

FBI report:.
"The exact nature of Bayoumi's employment has remained unclear, but his close associates suspected him of being a Saudi intelligence officer." (FBI Document)
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-04-15-FBI-LHM-omar-al-bayoumi2.pdf

From FBI Investigation into 9-11 attacks:

"2. Al-Bayoumi has been determined to have co-signed for hijackers
Nawaf Al-Hazmi and Khalid Al-Mihdhar when they rented an apartment at
the Parkwood Apartments complex and to have sometimes paid rent for
them."
page 1/8
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2001-10-03-FBI-penttbomb-bayoumi.pdf

"Robert Baer, a former CIA officer and author said: "There are too many Saudis involved in this at every corner for it to be a coincidence."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jul/31/saudiarabia.september11

Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar aka Bandar Bush and his wife were paying the Saudi Agents.....

"Then, last November, Newsweek reported that Princess Haifa, the wife of the long-time Saudi Ambassador to the US Prince Bandar, had over the course of a couple years
sent $130,000 in charitable donations to the wives of al-Bayoumi and another San Diego-based Saudi friend of the San Diego hijackers, Osama Bassnan."

“Bayoumi should be in jail,” Baer told me by telephone this week. “He is much more connected to September 11th than Zacarias Moussaoui.”

“As a former intelligence officer, I focus on these governments,” Baer says. “It’s a classic operation where a government sets up front companies. How did Bassnan get on
Princess Haifa’s charity list? He didn’t just show up and write her a letter. The Saudis check these people.”

http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/000011.html

"Sources close to the case told TIME that beginning in January 1999 monthly payments of $2,000 were made from Princess Haifa's checking account to Majida Dwaikat, wife of
Osama Bassnan. A Saudi national, Bassnan was living in San Diego last year and has been linked to Omar al Bayoumi, a Saudi student who befriended two men who wound
up helping crash Flight 77 into the Pentagon. The sources also say that the ambassador, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, gave $15,000 to Bassnan."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1003790,00.html

And Bandar Bush has the nerve to say this......

"Speaking to the Arabic satellite network Al-Arabiya on Thursday, Bandar -- now Abdullah's national security adviser -- said Saudi intelligence was "actively following" most of
the September 11, 2001, plotters "with precision."


"If U.S. security authorities had engaged their Saudi counterparts in a serious and credible manner, in my opinion, we would have avoided what happened," he said."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/01/saudiarabia.terrorism/index.html

You can see him say this here....

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/01/saudiarabia.terrorism/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

"If U.S. security authorities had engaged their Saudi counterparts in a serious and credible manner, in my opinion, we would have avoided what happened," he said.  Actually that looks exactly like what happened. That seems to be the problem.
So what was the Government deal with Ali Mohamed? Whatever it was, it was a much better deal than the deal these guys got.....

Army Sgt. Timothy A. David
killed during his fourth tour of duty

http://militarytimes.com/valor/army-sgt-timothy-a-david/4166713/

Staff Sgt. Javier Ortiz-Rivera
killed three tours of duty

http://militarytimes.com/valor/marine-staff-sgt-javier-o-ortiz-rivera/5070380/

Army Staff Sgt. William S. Ricketts
Ricketts was on his fifth tour of duty and looking forward to getting home for the birth of his third child when he was killed

http://militarytimes.com/valor/army-staff-sgt-william-s-ricketts/4521077/


: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: worcesteradam August 02, 2013, 12:48:04 PM
^
This is a good thread
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: jimd3100 September 17, 2013, 01:44:14 PM
12 years after 9/11......

George Galloway: US in Bed w/ al-Qaeda & Christian Leaders Overseeing Destruction of Christian Sites

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6qMCb14K3s
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job!
: jimd3100 November 29, 2013, 07:55:39 PM
Now lets meet an informant for the CIA who was handling several other alleged hijackers.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-8937523_ITM
HAMBURG, Germany _ Nearly two years before the Sept. 11 hijackings, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency began persistent efforts to recruit as an informer a Syrian-born Hamburg businessman with links to al-Qaida and the key hijackers, the Chicago Tribune has learned.

The CIA's attempts to enlist Mamoun Darkazanli were initiated in late 1999, at a time when three of the four Hamburg students who would later pilot the hijacked planes were first learning of the hijacking plot at an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan.

......
But the disclosure that the CIA was seeking to turn Darkazanli into a spy during the time the initial hijacking plans were being laid represents the earliest and deepest set of U.S. intelligence footprints outside the hijackers' window.
......
According to a source with firsthand knowledge of the events, the CIA representative told his local counterparts that his agency believed Darkazanli had knowledge of an unspecified terrorist plot and could be "turned" against his al-Qaida comrades.
"He said, `Darkazanli knows a lot,' " the source recalled......

......"Another attempt by the Americans to get somebody to recruit Darkazanli," one source said.


So is he still around free? Yup....while his buddies, get kidnapped by the CIA and tortured he's left alone...kind of obvious isn't it?

I think it just became even more obvious and now admitted that Darkazanli was a confidential source for intelligence.....

Withdrawal Notice for entire contents of the Darkazanli folder, 9/11 Commission records. Released November 21, 2013 in response to MDR request by Erik Larson:

Reason for withdrawal: 9/11 Confidential Source
27 pages


http://www.scribd.com/doc/188014204/T1A-B33-Darkazanli-Fdr-WN-27-Pgs

Those are 27 pages you will never see in order to keep you safe and free and protect nice innocent people.

: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job/cover up!
: jimd3100 December 08, 2013, 12:34:07 AM
G. Bush was confronted with the information contained in this thread for about 5 minutes by the 9-11 Commission, but only if he could sit next to D Cheney, and only if no one kept notes, and only if they were not put under oath and no recordings made.

John Lehman thought that he asked some of the tougher questions of Bush during the session, especially about the possibility of Saudi government ties to some of the hijackers. Lehman recalled asking Bush about the news reports that checks for thousands of dollars written by the wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador in Washington, might have been funneled to two of the hijackers in San Diego. "He dodged the questions," said Lehman.   page 344
http://www.amazon.com/Commission-Uncensored-History-11-Investigation/dp/0446580759/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271632815&sr=1-2

"I answered every question they asked" --G Bush after meeting with 9-11 Commission (1:55 mark of following video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vio68c0h-h4&feature=related

"He dodged the questions," said Lehman.[/i]  page 344
http://www.amazon.com/Commission-Uncensored-History-11-Investigation/dp/0446580759/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271632815&sr=1-2

What if one of the 9-11 hijackers was actually an operative for the Saudi Government, then backed out of the plot to report it?

Meet Saud al-Rasheed also spelled Saud al Rashid.....

In 2002 investigators found damming evidence against him.......

According to DIA translators, this individuals name may indicate that he is some how related to the Saudi Royal Family
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16842138/Redacted-and-Unredacted-Copies-of-FBI-Report-on-Discovery-of-911-Hijacker-Passport-Images-in-Pakistan

He was then put on the FBI's most wanted list - this is an archive of the FBI website before it was pulled off by orders of ???????............

For Immediate Release
August 20, 2002
   

    Washington D.C.
    FBI National Press Office
    (202) 324-3691


The FBI has issued a BOLO (Be On The Lookout) for an individual by the name of Saud A.S. Al-Rasheed.

On August 15, 2002, materials previously recovered during the war on terrorism were found to be related to several of the September 11th hijackers. These same materials contained an image of a Saudi Arabian passport #C161433 issued to Saud A.S. Al-Rasheed, Date of Birth: 01/30/1981; Place of Birth: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The passport was issued at Riyadh on May 29, 2000. Al-Rasheed's current whereabouts are unknown.

Law enforcement agencies are requested to stop and detain Al-Rasheed and to contact their local FBI office. He is considered armed and dangerous.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100411084321/http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel02/alrasheed082002.htm

KSM even identified him as one of the hijackers....before saying "but KSM was tortured and I don't believe what he says" it should be noted that KSM was not the only source saying that.....

Footnotes of 9-11 Commission:

8. Saud al Rashid. Describing him as headstrong and immature, KSM says he disappeared after being sent to Saudi Arabia for a U.S.visa, either because he had second thoughts or because his family interceded and confiscated his passport. He has no credible explanation why photos of him were found with those of three other hijackers, or why others identified him as a candidate hijacker
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf

According to the joint inquiry, His father was the individual approving Saudi Intelligence agent Bayoumi's salary as a ghost employee while Bayoumi was assisting the hijackers in America by enrolling them into flight schools, getting IDs, and paying their rent - gosh what a coincidence!..........

According to an individual interviewed by the FBI, al-Bayoumi’s salary from his employer, the Saudi Civil Aviation authority, was approved by Hamid al-Rashid. Hamid is the father of Saud al-Rashid, whose photo was found in a raid of an al-Qa’ida safehouse in Karachi and who has admitted to being in Afghanistan between May 2000 and May 2001. page 226/858
https://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_rpt/911rept.pdf

Some members of the 9-11 Commission were very interested in interviewing him.....

Event: Meeting with Mabahith Officials

General Khalid asked whether we had any priorities among the six individuals that we wished to interview. Snell noted that of the two requests that are still pending from the last visit, Saud al-Rashid is the priority.

At this point, Detective Sassok noted that according to the information available to U.S. authorities, al-Rashid pledged bayat to UBL and had been selected to participate in the martyrdom operation that became the 9/11 attack.

Snell stressed the value of an al-Rashid interview for the Commission given his first-hand knowledge of the training received by al-Qaeda operatives.

http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01253.pdf

Our protected "Saudi friend" was not very cooperative......

9-11 Commission released notes:

Event: Interview of Saud al-Rasheed
He also denied ever meeting Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) . When confronted with information that KSM (and Mustapha al-Hawsawi) identified him as one of the potential muscle operatives for the 9/11 operation, and asked how and why KSM would lie about such a thing, al-Rasheed claimed that KSM could have seen what al-Rasheed looked like from the picture on his passport and KSM might have heard his name because there were rumors floating around that al-Rasheed was __________
When asked why others would be saying the things about him that he is now denying, al- Rasheed guessed that others could be angry with him and thus may be trying to get him in trouble. He said he was viewed unfavorably while in Afghanistan because, unlike the other men, he could not grow a beard.
AL-Rasheed said that because some individuals in Afghanistan had thought he was a spy, KSM may have inquired at the airport about al-Rasheed's travel route. When asked how he could have partied in Dubai for one or two weeks after buying his plane ticket, when he started with less than 5000 riyals, al-Rasheed simply affirmed his story.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19414305/MFR-NARA-T1A-Saudi-Arabia-AlRasheed-Saud-22404-01254

According to the 9-11 commissions' own memorandums our "Saudi friend" is full of shit and isn't worried about any consequences from lying to U.S. Investigators.......

9-11 Commission memorandum.....

* Despite being pressed, al-Rasheed repeatedly denied any involvement with al Qaeda, any martyrdom operation, and any knowledge about 9/11.

* We believe that al-Rasheed was being deceptive. It is our impression that he has had enough time to develop a coherent story and is sticking to it (and that he even may have been coached at some point).

* Over the course of the interview, it was evident that al-Rashed was not going to change his story and that he was confident his denials of any involvement despite significant information to the contrary (which was recounted to him in detail) would have no immediate consequences.

http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-01240.pdf

Saudi Arabia not only knew all about the plot, they assisted in making it happen. Question is what information was shared with American authorities and who was it shared with?
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job/cover up!
: jimd3100 December 11, 2013, 07:40:28 PM
Investors Business Daily opinion page has joined in the call to expose the Saudi Cover up........

Time To Declassify 9/11 Probe's Secret Saudi Section

Foreign Affairs: Congress might soon vote on a proposed bipartisan resolution calling for release of a secret Saudi section of the congressional 9/11 Joint Inquiry report. It's about time.

Now a couple of lawmakers who recently read the redacted portion and walked away "absolutely shocked" are demanding the White House make it public. Reps. Walter Jones, R-N.C., and Stephen Lynch, D-Mass., suggest the conspiracy was much wider than al-Qaida. They say every American deserves to know the truth.

"The executive branch's decision to maintain the classified status of these pages prevents the people of the United States from having access to information about the involvement of certain foreign governments in the terrorist attacks," the two-page resolution adds. It stresses that victims' families "deserve answers."

If a presumed ally knew of the plot to attack the very headquarters of the U.S. military, it certainly is no ally. And if there are no penalties for such a monumental betrayal, what message does that send to other nations that seek to do us harm?

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/121113-682578-resolution-urges-obama-to-declassify-saudi-secrets.htm

Yea well, guess who else is no ally to the American people? The traitors in the executive branch of our government. They didn't keep this secret to avoid war-THEY WANTED WARS! Against those that had nothing to do with 9-11 while protecting those that were involved. If this isn't high treason what is?

Massmurdering traitors(Bush-Cheney-Rumsfield-Rice-Tenet and their co-conspirators-Thumairy-Bandar-Basnan-Bayoumi) - it's time to pay the piper! Maybe their buddies in the ISI can use our tax dollars to build another hideaway for these worthless turds.
: Re: 9/11 and FBI-Public record proves inside job/cover up!
: jimd3100 December 29, 2013, 07:24:20 PM
Investors Business Daily opinion page has joined in the call to expose the Saudi Cover up........

Time To Declassify 9/11 Probe's Secret Saudi Section

Want to know what's in those classified pages? A peak at the treasonous cover up can be seen in another thread devoted to it.....

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=254040.msg1455186;topicseen#msg1455186
: Re: 9/11 - FBI Documents reveal cover up!
: Sasha April 15, 2015, 11:38:46 AM
truther bump.
: Re: 9/11 - FBI Documents reveal cover up!
: jimd3100 June 15, 2015, 12:05:51 AM
The Big Headline says...

CIA declassifies inspector general's report on 9/11 shortcomings
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/politics/cia-inspector-general-report-declassified/

CIA declassifies...... LOL! Really? "9/11 shortcomings"? From the article....

"The team encountered no evidence that the Saudi government knowingly and willingly supported al Qaeda terrorists," the report states.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/politics/cia-inspector-general-report-declassified/

See? The CIA finally declassified that the Bush administration didn't protect powerful, guilty, Saudi friends (co-conspirators)

However, according to the same article, this declassified report has a section still classified.......

Much of the section on Saudi Arabia was redacted.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/politics/cia-inspector-general-report-declassified/

And the most obvious and disgusting, treasonous, cover up continues, as it's rubbed in our faces.

9/11 shortcomings === Or as I would call it.....Conspiracy between certain parts of Saudi Intelligence and certain parts of American Intelligence.

The problem, the report states, is that agents did not perform their jobs satisfactorily.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/politics/cia-inspector-general-report-declassified/

They obviously followed their orders more than "satisfactorily" to explain all the promotions and awards and zero accountability.


This medal is the highest award a President can give
(http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/04/43/35/1193846/3/622x350.jpg)

The worst and most obvious cover up in U.S. History. I guess this is what is called transparency now.
: Re: 9/11 - FBI Documents reveal cover up!
: worcesteradam June 15, 2015, 06:32:49 AM
What does "willingly supported Al Qaeda" mean?
So they supported Al Qaeda but were ordered to by someone else.
: Re: 9/11 - FBI Documents reveal cover up!
: Neuromancer February 23, 2017, 12:50:04 PM
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