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: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 23, 2013, 11:34:30 AM
Just a comment that with all the forest fires across the country ( going on for years! ) and the relative shut down of the timber industry for years ( raising the prices of lumber and homes) . One has to wonder at the millions upon millions of dollars worth of timber going up in flames in uncontrollable fires in a multi-year  drought season. ??? Why ?

The country spends millions (billions?) of dollars fighting these fires Why?  So we don't have logging roads as access and fire breaks?

This post is just a first shot at this subject...



http://missoulian.com/news/opinion/columnists/reforms-needed-to-protect-forests-strengthen-timber-industry/article_48daf5a0-fea4-11e2-bb1c-001a4bcf887a.html

Reforms needed to protect forests, strengthen timber industry
August 06, 2013 8:15 am  •  Guest column by STEVE DAINES
...
A U.S. Forest Service official recently acknowledged that the abundance of litigation has played a “huge role” in blocking responsible timber sales in Montana and other Region 1 states, including projects supported by collaborative groups consisting of timber and conservation leaders.

“It has virtually shut things down on the National Forest,” U.S. Forest Service Deputy Chief Jim Hubbard stated during a recent Natural Resources Committee hearing.

The result: Montana used to be home to more than 30 lumber mills. Now we have just seven.

This has left numerous Montana counties without the necessary funds to provide for communities’ needs, like emergency services and pay for teachers. It has also left our forests more vulnerable to wildfire. Last summer, Montana experienced one of the worst fire seasons in our state’s history, and this year’s fires have already consumed thousands of acres of trees. This is unacceptable.

Over the past few months, I’ve met with managers of Montana’s lumber mills, conservation groups and local elected officials to have candid conversations about how we can revitalize our timber industry and keep our forests healthy.

Because as most Montanans recognize, the responsible and active management of our national forests is critical for the health of Montana’s economy, as well as the health of our forests themselves.

That’s why I’m proud to have helped introduce the Restoring Healthy Forests for Healthy Communities Act. This bill will help revitalize the timber industry throughout Montana and create thousands of good, long-term jobs. It also tackles beetle kill, protecting our environment for future generations and reducing the threat of catastrophic wildfires in Montana.

The Restoring Healthy Forests for Healthy Communities Act will cut the red tape that has held up responsible forest management and timber production. It includes comprehensive reforms to discourage and limit the flood of frivolous appeals and litigation. It also requires the Forest Service to increase timber harvests on non-wilderness lands, now that it will have much-needed latitude to do its work. This improved management will protect the health of our forests and watersheds, the safety of our communities and jobs in the timber industry.
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[ Fire ruin the value of trees for lumber: ]  

http://www2.ca.uky.edu/forestryextension/Forestfires1.php

FOREST FIRE DAMAGE HURTS FUTURE VALUE OF TIMBER

 The real damage from a forest fire is rarely obvious. When a tree is exposed to forest fire, the lumber value continues to decline throughout the tree's life span.

 Forest fires in Kentucky usually burn close to the ground so they usually don't kill trees. Come springtime, the trees leaf out giving the false impression that the fire did no harm. However forest fires cause trees to continue to lose hardwood lumber value throughout their life spans-- even if there are no obvious, visible signs of damage.

Forest fires create entrances for diseases and insects; staining the wood that could be used for lumber; and cause rot to begin and continue. This means you'll get lower prices when you attempt to sell timber that has been exposed to fire. Foresters and log buyers can detect a past forest fire in a timber stand, even if the area has been fire free for many years.

 Keep fires out of your stands to maintain and increase the future value of your timber.

 Two fire seasons exist for Kentucky, one in the early spring (mid February to early May) and the other late fall (October through December). Conditions of warm temperatures, low humidity and a leaves on the ground dried by the sun are very conducive to forest fires.

 It's important to remember that any land owner found responsible for a fire getting out of hand is accountable for the entire cost of suppressing that fire.


http://www.blm.gov/or/districts/roseburg/plans/collab_forestry/files/TrueCostOfWilfire.pdf
The True Cost of Wildfire in the Western U.S.


Promoting science-based forest management that serves the values of society and ensures the health and sustainability of western forests.
Original publication date: April 2009 Conclusions and recommendations updated: April 2010

Introduction

The millions of dollars spent to extinguish large wildfires are widely reported and used to underscore the severity of these events.

Extinguishing a large wildfire, however, accounts for only a fraction of the total costs associated with a wildfire event. Residents in the
wildland-urban interface (WUI) are generally seen as the most vulnerable to fire, but a fuller accounting of the costs of fire also
reveals impacts to all Americans and gives a better picture of the losses incurred when our forests burn.

A full accounting considers long-term and complex costs, including impacts to watersheds, ecosystems, infrastructure, businesses,
individuals, and the local and national economy. Specifically, these costs include property losses (insured and uninsured), postfire
impacts (such as flooding and erosion), air and water quality damages, healthcare costs, injuries and fatalities, lost revenues (to
residents evacuated by the fire, and to local businesses), infrastructure shutdowns (such as highways, airports, and railroads), and a host of
ecosystem service costs that may extend into the distant future
.

Day-lighting the true costs of fire highlights opportunities to use active management to curb escalating costs. Unhealthy forests can increase
the risk of fire.1 Investing in active forest management is therefore valuable in the same way as investing in one’s own preventative
health care. Upfront costs can be imposing, and while the benefits may seem uncertain, good health results in cost savings that benefit
the individual, family, and society. This analogy helps to highlight the importance of fostering resilient ecosystems before fires occur, as a
tool for reducing the costs associated with suppression and recovery as well as extending the potential benefits of fire.

This report begins with an analysis of the many costs associated with wildfire. Several case studies illustrate a range of the full extent
of fire impacts
, suggesting patterns that can be included in future budgeting and planning processes at all levels of government.

The true costs of wildfire are shown to be far greater than the costs usually reported to the public, anywhere from 2 to 30 times the more commonly reported suppression costs.

Finally, a series of recommendations help focus the way these costs might be better considered. As the number of acres burned each year continues to increase, there is a justifiable sense of urgency. With a new administration and an incoming Congress with many new faces, the Western Forestry Leadership Coalition sees a fresh opportunity to address this long-standing forest management challenge.
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http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GAOREPORTS-GAO-04-705/pdf/GAOREPORTS-GAO-04-705.pdf

WILDLAND FIRES Forest Service and BLM Need Better Information and a Systematic Approach for Assessing the Risks of Environmental Effects
June 2004

Wildland fires can have dramatic effects on environmental resources and ecosystems, including production of large amounts of smoke, loss of trees,
and erosion of soil into streams and lakes.

However, fires can also benefit resources by recycling soil nutrients, renewing vegetation growth, and adding gravel to streams, which improves spawning habitat for fish. The 20 wildland fires that we surveyed burned over 158,000 acres of federal land and had complex, wide-ranging, and sometimes contradictory, effects on both individual resources, such as trees and streams, and ecosystems. For example, the short-term effects of the Missionary Ridge fire in Colorado that burned almost 50,000 acres of trees and other vegetation included increased debris and sediment that affected water quality in some areas. However, in other areas, officials said even dramatic changes to streams would not be detrimental in the long term.

The Forest Service and BLM gather specific information on the environmental effects of individual wildland fires, such as soil erosion. The
agencies do not, however, gather comprehensive data on the severity of wildland fire effects on broad landscapes and ecosystems
—that is, large
areas that may involve one or more fires. The agencies recently developed a monitoring framework to gather severity data for fires, but they have not yet
implemented it. These data are needed to monitor the progress of the agencies’ actions to restore and maintain resilient fire-adapted ecosystems, a
goal of the National Fire Plan.

The National Fire Plan directs the Forest Service and BLM to target their fuel reduction activities with the purpose of lowering the risk of environmental
effects from wildland fires in areas that face the greatest losses. However, the agencies do not systematically assess the risks across landscapes that
fires pose to different environmental resources or ecosystems or the risks of taking no action on fuel reduction projects.

At the landscape level,

the Forest Service and BLM do not have a formal framework for systematically assessing the risk of fire to resources and ecosystems, although some of the forests and BLM field offices have developed risk assessments on their own or in collaboration with regional, state, or local efforts.

At the project level,
while the agencies recognize the need to better analyze the risk of acting to reduce fuels versus not doing so, neither fire planning guidance nor National
Environmental Policy Act guidance specify how to do this. Opportunities exist to clarify how the agencies should analyze the effects of not taking
action to reduce fuels. The agencies can clarify interim guidance to implement the Healthy Forests Restoration Act, and the agencies can, in
conjunction with CEQ, further develop the lessons learned from a CEQ demonstration program carried out in 2003.

Without a risk-based approach,  these agencies cannot target their fuel reduction projects across landscapes or make fully informed decisions about which effects and project alternatives are more desirable.
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 23, 2013, 02:11:25 PM

  Thanks for posting this Tahoe Blue.

  Yes, all of this stuff is happening in Montana.

  The Bozeman Tea Party is trying to fight the Agenda 21 Plans.  The UN wants to eventually have all Montanans live in a few bigger cities and turn the forests into habitats for animals.  IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

  THERE IS ALSO AN ANTI-FRACKING MOVEMENT UP HERE.  An individual is going around the state fighting them.  He claims we could have 20 Williston, ND-type towns here in MT.

  As for the forest fires, they seem to let them BURN AND BURN.  We have 3 of them less than 20 miles from our home.  At one of them, they keep letting the fire burn while 500 fighters sit at the camp eating 3 square meals per day.  MADNESS EVEN HERE IN MONTANA.

  I BELIEVE IF 50 MILLION HOMES BURNED TO THE GROUND IN AMERICA, MONTANA COULD SUPPLY ALL THE WOOD THEY NEED TO REBUILD THEM.

  MONTANA---THE LAST GREAT PLACE IN AMERICA---despite Ted Turner having a ranch here---rat bastard.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 23, 2013, 04:40:50 PM
I think after all the forests have burned up millions in timber they will have create new policies of forest management (the old ones)  ( since all the forests have burned and there is no more fuel to burn OK? mission complete!  But they will never admit their policies were WRONG oh no  ) -  

http://www.hpj.com/archives/2013/apr13/apr15/GeneralTemplatesr.cfm

Bill would reduce excessive fuel loads on federal lands through livestock grazing and timber thinning

“The Public Lands Council, National Cattlemen’s Beef Association and Arizona Cattle Growers’ Association expressed strong support for the Catastrophic Wildfire Prevention Act of 2013 (H.R. 1345), reintroduced with bipartisan support by Rep. Paul Gosar, R-AZ. This bill, familiar from the last session of Congress, facilitates an expedited process to reduce hazardous fuel loads on federal lands through livestock grazing and timber harvesting.
 


The bill proposes to reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfire on areas managed by the U.S. Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management identified as high-risk. It would streamline analyses performed under the National Environmental Policy Act in those areas, expediting fuels-reduction activities such as livestock grazing and timber thinning. When threatened or endangered species are at risk, it would also allow for hazardous fuels-reduction projects to go forward under existing emergency provisions of the Endangered Species Act. Furthermore, it adds to last year’s legislation by including contract stewardship and good neighbor authority measures, which facilitate the completion of forest management projects through public-private partnerships and cooperation with state governments.

PLC President Brice Lee and NCBA President Scott George agreed that the bill addresses the significant issue of catastrophic wildfire in the West by reducing administrative delays, expediting forest management processes, and encouraging better forest health and economic development.


Last year, more than 9 million acres were burned in one of the worst fire seasons this country has seen in the last few decades. In that scenario, everyone bears the burden of habitat loss—ranchers, western communities, wildlife and the taxpayer, to name a few,” Lee said. “We hope that Congress acts swiftly and moves forward with passing this legislation, so that ranchers and entire communities do not remain vulnerable during what may be another devastating fire season this year.”

George added that fires threaten both rural and urban communities and impair the watersheds the public depends on.

“The red tape beleaguering USFS and the BLM when addressing wildfires is endangering the lives and operations of livestock producers, threatening the natural resources the public depends on, and hindering economic growth,” said George. “This bill seeks to put an end to these issues and allow for better management of public lands.”

...
The Catastrophic Wildfire Prevention Act of 2013 is a commonsense way to accomplish that and to prevent wildfires from destroying public and private lands across the West.”

Date: 4/15/2013

http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th/house-bill/1345
H.R.1345 - Catastrophic Wildfire Prevention Act of 2013 113th Congress (2013-2014

Sponsor: Rep. Gosar, Paul A. [R-AZ-4] (Introduced 03/21/2013)  

Cosponsors: 16

Latest Action: 04/23/2013 Referred to the Subcommittee on Conservation, Energy, and Forestry.  [ dead dead dead !  Oh there is SO much more to burn in the west!!! ]
Major Recorded Votes: There are no Roll Call votes for this bill


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DO NOTHING Jokers on House  Subcommittee on Conservation, Energy, and Forestry :

http://agriculture.house.gov/subcommittees/conservation-energy-and-forestry

Rep. Glenn Thompson, PA-5 Chairman Rep.
Timothy J. Walz, MN-1   Ranking Member

 
Members

Majority

Rep. Mike Rogers (AL-3)
Rep. Bob Gibbs (OH-7)
Rep. Scott R. Tipton (CO-3)
Rep. Eric A. "Rick" Crawford (AR-1)
Rep. Martha Roby (AL-2)
Rep. Reid J. Ribble (WI-8)
Rep. Kristi L. Noem (SD-At-Large)
Rep. Dan Benishek (MI-1)

 

Minority

Rep. Gloria Negrete McLeod (CA-35)
Rep. Ann M. Kuster (NH-2)
Rep. Richard M. Nolan (MN-8)
Rep. Mike McIntyre (NC-7)
Rep. Kurt Schrader (OR-5)
Rep. Suzan K. DelBene (WA-1)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: Anon27 August 23, 2013, 05:35:16 PM
Agenda 21 - shakes head.

These f**ks are insane people ruled by insane objectives.
Ironically due to group think one is actually more likely to be labelled insane for saying so.

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 24, 2013, 11:28:48 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/24/yosemite-wildfire-san-francisco-state-emergency
Yosemite wildfire: state of emergency declared for San Francisco

California governor Jerry Brown cites threats to electricity and water supplies as firefighters consider asking for military help

(http://www.mygen.com/images/Firefighters-wait-in-a-sa-008.jpg)

Reuters in San Francisco   
theguardian.com, Saturday 24 August 2013 01.29 EDT   

A wildfire raging at the edge of Yosemite national park is threatening power lines that provide electricity to San Francisco, prompting California governor Jerry Brown to declare a state of emergency.

The fire has damaged the electrical infrastructure serving the city, and forced the San Francisco Public Utilities Commission to shut down power lines, the governor said in his declaration.

There were no reports of blackouts in the city, which is about 200 miles west of the park.

The wildfire swept further into Yosemite national park on Friday, remaining largely unchecked as it threatened one of the country's major tourist destinations.

The so-called Rim Fire, which started last week in the Stanislaus national forest, had blackened 11,000 acres (4,450 hectares) at the north-eastern corner of Yosemite as of Friday afternoon after exploding in size overnight, park spokeswoman Kari Cobb said.

The blaze burning in the western Sierra Nevada mountains is now the fastest-moving of 50 large wildfires raging across the drought-parched US west that have strained resources and prompted fire managers to open talks with Pentagon commanders and Canadian officials about possible reinforcements.

The blaze, which has now charred a total of 165 square miles of forest land, mostly outside Yosemite, was about four miles west of Hetch Hetchy reservoir and some 20 miles from Yosemite Valley, the park's main tourist centre, Cobb said.

The reservoir provides water to 2.6 million customers in the San Francisco area. Should the blaze affect the reservoir, the city's water supply could be affected, Brown said in his declaration.

...

http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/

(http://www.mygen.com/images/lg_fire_nifc_2013-08-24.png)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 24, 2013, 11:59:23 AM


  We finally got a little rain last night---near Bozeman, MT.

  But with rain comes more lightning strikes.

  I do smell smoke this morning.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 24, 2013, 12:01:14 PM
  Thanks for posting this Tahoe Blue.

  Yes, all of this stuff is happening in Montana.

  The Bozeman Tea Party is trying to fight the Agenda 21 Plans.  The UN wants to eventually have all Montanans live in a few bigger cities and turn the forests into habitats for animals.  IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.

  THERE IS ALSO AN ANTI-FRACKING MOVEMENT UP HERE.  An individual is going around the state fighting them.  He claims we could have 20 Williston, ND-type towns here in MT.

  As for the forest fires, they seem to let them BURN AND BURN.  We have 3 of them less than 20 miles from our home.  At one of them, they keep letting the fire burn while 500 fighters sit at the camp eating 3 square meals per day.  MADNESS EVEN HERE IN MONTANA.

  I BELIEVE IF 50 MILLION HOMES BURNED TO THE GROUND IN AMERICA, MONTANA COULD SUPPLY ALL THE WOOD THEY NEED TO REBUILD THEM.

  MONTANA---THE LAST GREAT PLACE IN AMERICA---despite Ted Turner having a ranch here---rat bastard.

Yes America could be supplying the WORLD with quality lumber at low costs but NO that would be TOO GOOD ... ( the same with Canada Northwest )

do a search on Pinchot , who started the forest service to create a timber monopoly   - oh he did it ...
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 24, 2013, 12:12:48 PM
Yes America could be supplying the WORLD with quality lumber at low costs but NO that would be TOO GOOD ... ( the same with Canada Northwest )

do a search on Pinchot , who started the forest service to create a timber monopoly   - oh he did it ...


  Just think how many Americans could have jobs?  On some of these roads up here in Montana, you see miles and miles and miles of NOTHING BUT TREES.

  One bad thing here though.  We have pine beetles that are killing the trees.  After the beetles are done, the trees die---perfect kindling for forest fires---dry, dead trees.

  A friend of mine says he has a natural product to kill the pine beetle BUT THE GOVERNMENT WON'T HEAR HIS STORY.  He delves into natural herbs to help people with their sicknesses.  WHAT A COUNTRY.  ALL BY DESIGN.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: One Revelator August 24, 2013, 12:28:32 PM
Love the “contrails” in the pic above.

When one looks at what is specifically government funded and defunded, the agenda becomes clear. Didn’t I read that timber sales and management funds were being cut while firefighting budgets were being increased? Sure is a big incentive for firefighters to start new fires. And since some of them are trained to do forensics to determine origin and cause, who better to start something undetectable due to “natural causes”?

Years ago, Forestry sold people on wood as a cheap alternative to oil. They argued abundance and safety from wildfires.

Then they regulated any commercial firewood startups to the point where firewood became too expensive for the end user. They imposed timber sale fees, insurance requirements, etc. I’ve even heard rumors that Forestry demanded that wood cutters charge a minimum price per cord for the end user. A lot of small businesses just gave up and shut down  They couldn’t compete with the big guys.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 24, 2013, 12:37:37 PM
Love the “contrails” in the pic above.

When one looks at what is specifically government funded and defunded, the agenda becomes clear. Didn’t I read that timber sales and management funds were being cut while firefighting budgets were being increased? Sure is a big incentive for firefighters to start new fires. And since some of them are trained to do forensics to determine origin and cause, who better to start something undetectable due to “natural causes”?

Years ago, Forestry sold people on wood as a cheap alternative to oil. They argued abundance and safety from wildfires.

Then they regulated any commercial firewood startups to the point where firewood became too expensive for the end user. They imposed timber sale fees, insurance requirements, etc. I’ve even heard rumors that Forestry demanded that wood cutters charge a minimum price per cord for the end user. A lot of small businesses just gave up and shut down  They couldn’t compete with the big guys.

  I have a friend who is a small operator--selling firewood to locals--and he is about the go out of business.  THE REASON---THE FOREST SERVICE IMPOSES MORE REGULATIONS YEAR AFTER YEAR.  He sits in meetings each spring and a forest service worker goes over the new regs.  Insanity created by the low-level lawyers.

  I don't doubt that there are fire fighters that would start new fires.  But it is so dry out here right now that a cigarette smoker could throw out a cigarette anywhere and start a fire.  Also a tailpipe in high grass could set off a fire.  OF COURSE THE BIG CULPRIT ARE LIGHTNING STRIKES.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: One Revelator August 24, 2013, 01:09:22 PM
The history is quite interesting. From what I understand, Forestry used to be under military jurisdiction, the US Calvary. During WWII, there was a huge propaganda campaign fearmongering that the Japanese were going to firebomb the west coast. I believe this justified the existence of another government agency.

Around the same time, Smokey the Bear was iconized by the Ad Council - an NGO that  has traditionally placed the blame for any social problem on the public at large. They produced PSAs telling the public how to behave.

Today the Forest Service in integrated. They have a highly efficient deployment system that can tap anybody in the US and fly them across the country within days with a few keystrokes. Every job is categorized, with a qualification checklist similar to an MOS. I would call this a paramilitary organization.

One can start here:
http://gacc.nifc.gov/

and drill down to track any and all wildfires in the US. Some sites have interactive maps with funding information. I have personally witnessed a wildfire that was budgeted for over 1 million USD per day.

With that kind of money flowing, a lot of people are actively looking to get a piece of it.

You can actually rent a car, boat, pickup, ATV, dozer, etc to Forestry during fire season. Some people have earned enough during the season to turn around and buy a new replacement for the equipment they contracted out to the government.

The “emergency” industry is big business right now. And human behavior is being driven by money.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: Honor18 August 24, 2013, 01:14:45 PM
Have never dug into their history before but it looks interesting, Little off topic but over the last few months we have had Forestry Archeologists staying at the Hotel that I manage and I have tryed to get them to tell me what they have been looking at or for and they state that they are not allowed to talk about it.
     Also when those firefighters stayed here they actually had two guys with them that carried AR15 rifles they stated it was to deal with Wildlife but here in Florida about the only thing you would have to worry about would be a alligator which are quite easy to kill, found it interesting.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 24, 2013, 01:17:30 PM
  Thank you One Revelator.  Your posts are interesting and informative.    

  IT'S US AGAINST THEM.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 24, 2013, 01:17:58 PM
a little history .... 1910 fire .... ( the fire started along the railroad tracks of the Northern Pacific Railroad that was built to bring back NON-Pinchot timber for railroad ties to build railroad tracks for Vanderbuilt (and steel rails by Carnagie) get the idea?  

http://www.idahoforests.org/fires.htm
The West is Burning Up!

THE 1910 FIRE
 By Jim Petersen Evergreen Magazine, Winter Edition 1994-1995

It was the largest forest fire in American history. Maybe even the largest forest fire ever. No one knows for sure, but even now, it is hard to put into words what it did.

 For two terrifying days and night's - August 20 and 21, 1910 - the fire raged across three million acres of virgin timberland in northern Idaho and western Montana.   Many thought the world would end, and for 86, it did.

Most of what was destroyed fell to hurricane-force winds that turned the fire into a blowtorch. Re-constructing what happened leads to an almost impossible conclusion: Most of the cremation occurred in a six-hour period.

 A forester named Edward Stahl wrote of flames shooting hundreds of feet in the air, "fanned by a tornadic wind so violent that the flames flattened out ahead, swooping to earth in great darting curves, truly a veritable red demon from hell."

 Among the 86 who perished were 28 or 29 men - no one knows for sure - who tried to outrun their fate in a straight upstraight down canyon called Storm Creek.
 Two men too terrified to face death took their own lives. One jumped from a burning train and the other shot himself when he feared an approaching fire would overtake him. Two fire fighters fled into flames before the very eyes of horrified comrades huddled in a nearby stream.

 Hundreds more survived, many by the grace of God. Ranger Edward Pulaski, who became a hero at a place called the War Eagle Mine, led men with prayers on their lips through a pitch-black darkness punctuated by exploding trees and waves of flames that arced across the night sky.

 Perhaps, Edward Stahl would later say, "the men thought the small fires flickering dimly in the darkness were candles burning for the dead."
 "The fire turned trees and men into weird torches that exploded like Roman candles," one survivor told a newspaper reporter.
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On July 1, 1904, Bill Greeley went to work for the Bureau of Forestry, a renamed version of the old Division of Forestry. He quickly became one of "Gifford Pinchot's boys" - a name given to young lions hand-picked by Pinchot, who headed the Bureau. More important though was the fact that Pinchot was a great friend of President Theodore Roosevelt, who in 1905 engineered the creation of the U.S. Forest Service, and named Pinchot its first chief forester.

Allies at first, Pinchot and Greeley later became the chief protagonists in a bitter and frequently very public debate over the Forest Service's relationship with private forest landowners. Pinchot did not trust them, and wanted their every move regulated by law; Greeley's experiences with lumbermen convinced him they could be trusted. Whatever doubts he may have had were erased by the 1910 fire. And looking back now, it is clear no single event did more to mold the U.S. Forest Service in its historic image than did the 1910 fire.
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No official cause was ever listed for the 1910 fire. A bad electrical storm the night of July 15 touched off more than 3,000 fires in District One, but by August 19 - the night before the big blowup - the worst seemed to be over. But 1910 was also the driest year in anyone's memory. Snows melted early and the spring rains never came. By August, normally swift? running rivers had slowed to a crawl and many streams had simply disappeared into bedrock.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Pacific_Railway
Northern Pacific Railway

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Northern_Pacific.png)

The Northern Pacific Railway (reporting mark NP) was a transcontinental railroad that operated across the northern tier of the western United States from Minnesota to the Pacific Coast. It was approved by Congress in 1864 and given nearly 40 million acres (160,000 km2) of land grants, which it used to raise money in Europe for construction.

Construction began in 1870 and the main line opened all the way from the Great Lakes to the Pacific when former president Ulysses S. Grant drove in the final "golden spike" in western Montana on Sept. 8, 1883. The railroad had about 6800 miles of track and served a large area, including extensive trackage in the states of Idaho, Minnesota, Montana, North Dakota, Oregon, Washington and Wisconsin.

In addition the company had international branches to Winnipeg, Manitoba, and southeastern British Columbia, Canada. The main activities were shipping wheat and other farm products, cattle, timber and minerals; bringing in consumer goods, transporting passengers; and selling land. The company was headquartered first in Brainerd, Minnesota, then in Saint Paul, Minnesota. It had a tumultuous financial history, and in 1970 it merged with other lines to form the Burlington Northern Railroad.

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=LAH19010530.2.151
may 1901

RAILROAD WAR IS AT AN END . Struggle for Northern Pacific Ceases Gould and Vanderbilt Bring About the Peace Rockefeller-Gould Syndicate is Making an Effort to Secure Control of Delaware, Lackawanna and Western as an Eastern Outlet for Missouri Pacific System—Cowen Qnlts

NEW YORK. May 30.—Peace has been patched up between the HillMorgan combination, according to the World, and the Harriman-Kuhn-Loeb syndicate in the struggle for the control of the Northern Pacific Railroad. The friendliest feeling now exists, and an agreement has practically been reached, which will prevent any renewal of the strife. The amicable understanding was brought about through the friendly offices of George Gould and William K. Vanderbilt. Each side has ceased talking about its respective holdings in Northern Pacific stock. It is said that the Union Pacific railroad owns over $59,000,000 in securities of the Northern Pacific. James J. Hill, president of the Great Northern, is in the city. He has been in conference with representatives of the Northern Pacific and Union Pacific ever since his arrival. He refuses to say anything for publication either in regard to Northern Pacific affairs or the conflict with the Northern Pacific interests.
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(http://www.bnsf.com/about-bnsf/images/HistoricLogos.png)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 24, 2013, 01:25:52 PM
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/56775494-68/fire-yellowstone-park-rain.html.csp

  We are going to Yellowstone tomorrow.  TOMORROW IS A FREE DAY AT ALL NATIONAL PARKS---NO FEE FOR ENTRY--AUGUST 25, 2013.  Usually the fee is $25.


Rain helps cool Yellowstone National Park wildfires

Yellowstone National Park, Wyo. • More rain helped to control five wildfires burning in mostly remote areas of Yellowstone National Park but park officials were still keeping an eye out for flare-ups.

The biggest of the fires, the 12-square-mile Alum Fire, remained active around its perimeter but wasn’t growing much. Heavy smoke from the fire 5 miles north of Lake Village briefly closed the road between Fishing Bridge and Canyon Village on Tuesday.

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The fire calmed down considerably after heavy rain Wednesday and more rain Thursday helped keep the flames tamped down.

"But we still have a lot of personnel and equipment on hand should drier, hotter conditions prompt them to grow again in the coming days," park spokesman Al Nash said Friday.

Areas north of the Alum Fire, along the Yellowstone River, remained closed Friday. Among them were the Mud Volcano area and backcountry trails in the Hayden Valley.

More rain from scattered thunderstorms was forecast.

Yellowstone’s other fires also were growing little. The Alder Fire had burned about 7 square miles of a peninsula at the south end of Yellowstone Lake.

Other fires in the park included the 150-acre Druid Fire on the north side of Druid Peak near the Northeast Entrance, and the 200-acre Snake Fire 3 miles east of the South Entrance.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: One Revelator August 24, 2013, 01:27:37 PM
Have never dug into their history before but it looks interesting, Little off topic but over the last few months we have had Forestry Archeologists staying at the Hotel that I manage and I have tryed to get them to tell me what they have been looking at or for and they state that they are not allowed to talk about it.
     Also when those firefighters stayed here they actually had two guys with them that carried AR15 rifles they stated it was to deal with Wildlife but here in Florida about the only thing you would have to worry about would be a alligator which are quite easy to kill, found it interesting.

Didn't I just read something about Forestry making an massive ammo purchase? AR15's aren't exactly a good hunting round. 223/5.56 is traditionally anti personnel. Most people would be better off with a shotgun with slugs for basic bear protection.

Since when the hell does Forestry have anything to do with state secrets? I do know that the DHS is involved with training Forestry personnel. The "forensics" course mentioned above was a DHS thing.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 24, 2013, 01:29:39 PM
The history is quite interesting. From what I understand, Forestry used to be under military jurisdiction, the US Calvary. During WWII, there was a huge propaganda campaign fearmongering that the Japanese were going to firebomb the west coast. I believe this justified the existence of another government agency.

...
Today the Forest Service in integrated. They have a highly efficient deployment system that can tap anybody in the US and fly them across the country within days with a few keystrokes. Every job is categorized, with a qualification checklist similar to an MOS. I would call this a paramilitary organization.

One can start here:
http://gacc.nifc.gov/

and drill down to track any and all wildfires in the US. Some sites have interactive maps with funding information. I have personally witnessed a wildfire that was budgeted for over 1 million USD per day. With that kind of money flowing, a lot of people are actively looking to get a piece of it.

...
The “emergency” industry is big business right now. And human behavior is being driven by money.

Thanks for that link -  NGO's - internal government networks ,,, Tax dollars ->  Fed Budget --> back into an insiders pocket

http://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm
August 24, 2013

Nationally, initial attack activity was heavy with over 300 new starts. Three new large fires were reported and four were contained. Firefighters have made great progress on many fires in Idaho, Utah, Nevada and Oregon. Incident management will continue to move resources as they become available to areas with higher concerns.

One MAFFS C-130 aircraft from the 153rd Airlift Wing, Cheyenne (Wyoming Air National Guard), one from the 302nd Airlift Wing, Colorado Springs (Air Force Reserve), and one from the 145th Airlift Wing (North Carolina Air National Guard) are supporting wildland fire suppression operations out of Boise, ID.

Two MAFFS from the 146th Airlift Wing (California Air National Guard) are supporting wildland fire suppression operations out of Channel Islands Air National Guard Station, CA.


http://www.146aw.ang.af.mil/
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MAFFS 6, a C130J from the 146th Airlift Wing in Port Hueneme, Calif., drops a line of retardant over the trees in the mountains above Palm Springs July 19, 2013. The 146th Airlift Wing was activated July 18 to support CAL Fire and CAL OES on the Mountain fire and other potential wildfire activity throughout the state. (Air National Guard photo by: Senior Airman Nicholas Carzis.)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 24, 2013, 01:33:59 PM
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56769048-78/sltrib-http-com-csp.html.csp

  The Yellowstone Fire of 1988.  We still see dead trees standing that were destroyed by that fire.




A Look Back: The Tribune’s shots of the 1988 Yellowstone fire

Twenty-five years ago, Yellowstone National Park suffered the worst fires in its history.

Multiple fires raged in and around the park, beginning in early June and continuing through late September. A total of 51 fires were recorded during the summer, with nine being human-caused and 42 being sparked by lightning.

 
The fires affected 793,880 acres — about 36 percent of the park — and, on Sept. 8, forced the closure of Yellowstone to all but emergency personnel for the first time in the park’s history.

About 25,000 people fought the fires, which cost $120 million to suppress.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 24, 2013, 01:38:45 PM
rimfire photos ...
http://twitchy.com/2013/08/23/photos-devastating-calif-rimfire-near-yosemite-scorches-105k-acres/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSVSPsaCYAAmjl-.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSW9xfiCAAAx6Ks.jpg)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: One Revelator August 24, 2013, 02:22:07 PM
  I have a friend who is a small operator--selling firewood to locals--and he is about the go out of business.  THE REASON---THE FOREST SERVICE IMPOSES MORE REGULATIONS YEAR AFTER YEAR.  He sits in meetings each spring and a forest service worker goes over the new regs.

Yeah, I'm seeing the same thing. The little guys that just want to help out the community by selling cheap firewood to elderly or fixed income types are being shut down. This keeps the price up for the few vendors that hold a monopoly.

  I don't doubt that there are fire fighters that would start new fires.  But it is so dry out here right now that a cigarette smoker could throw out a cigarette anywhere and start a fire.  Also a tailpipe in high grass could set off a fire.  OF COURSE THE BIG CULPRIT ARE LIGHTNING STRIKES.

When a fire is discovered and entered into the database, they must indicate a cause. Usually it's either listed as "human" or "lightning". If the word "human" appears, then there's a liability issue with fines involved. Most fires indicate the latter. But it would be easy for a trained individual to monitor fire conditions and light something during a time when known lightning is in the area. There is a financial incentive to do so. And it would be difficult to prove one way or another. Just sayin...

BTW, here’s the system they use to manage/deploy/track ALL personnel and equipment for firefighting inside the US.

http://ross.nwcg.gov/

“The National Interagency Resource Ordering and Status System (ROSS) operates in an estimated 400 interagency dispatch and coordination offices throughout the Nation. The ROSS tracks all tactical, logistical, service and support resources mobilized by the incident dispatch community.”

All dispatchers have access to this.

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 24, 2013, 05:35:36 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2013/08/24/yosemite-area-wildfire-triples-in-size/?test=latestnews

  WOW! YOSEMITE IS  ABOUT 200 MILES FROM SF AND THEY GET MOST OF THEIR WATER FROM THERE.  INSANE!


California gov. declares state of emergency as wildfire spreads into Yosemite



  from the article...


San Francisco gets 85 percent of its water from the Yosemite-area Hetch Hetchy reservoir that is about 4 miles from the fire, though that had yet to be affected. But it was forced to shut down two of its three hydroelectric power stations in the area.

The city has so far been able to buy power on the open market and use existing supplies, but further disruptions or damage could have an effect, according to city power officials and the governor's statement.

The declaration frees funding and resources to help the city and makes it eligible for more federal funds to help with power shortages and outages or water problems.

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 24, 2013, 05:38:17 PM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-fire-yosemite-20130822,0,6339838.story

Wildfire enters Yosemite, threatens San Francisco water, power

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Firefighters on Saturday battled to gain control of a fast-moving wildfire raging on the edge of Yosemite National Park that is threatening power and water supplies to San Francisco about 200 miles to the west.

The so-called Rim Fire, which had grown to just over 125,000 acres as of early Saturday, remained largely unchecked with extreme terrain hampering efforts at containment.

"We are making progress but unfortunately the steep terrain definitely has posed a major challenge," said Daniel Berlant, a spokesman for the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: Dude447 August 24, 2013, 06:55:16 PM
Fire Activity Overview

SUMMARY:   National Interagency Fire Center
      National Fire News - Summary, National Preparedness Level, Statistics, Averages

ISSUED:   Saturday, August 24 2013

DETAILS:   

NOTE: This information will be updated daily.


Summary
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Nationally, initial attack activity was heavy with over 300 new starts. Three new large fires were reported and four were contained. Firefighters have made great progress on many fires in Idaho, Utah, Nevada and Oregon. Incident management will continue to move resources as they become available to areas with higher concerns.

One MAFFS C-130 aircraft from the 153rd Airlift Wing, Cheyenne (Wyoming Air National Guard), one from the 302nd Airlift Wing, Colorado Springs (Air Force Reserve), and one from the 145th Airlift Wing (North Carolina Air National Guard) are supporting wildland fire suppression operations out of Boise, ID. Two MAFFS from the 146th Airlift Wing (California Air National Guard) are supporting wildland fire suppression operations out of Channel Islands Air National Guard Station, CA.

Weather: Scattered showers and thunderstorms will form over the Four Corners region. Isolated to widely scattered thunderstorms will develop over parts of western Montana, central and northern Idaho and parts of Oregon and Washington. Windy conditions will develop across the Sierra and the western Great Basin. Temperatures in the West will be mild over the mountains and along the Northwest coast, but warmer in lower elevations. In the East, scattered showers and thunderstorms will develop across the Gulf Coast region. Scattered showers will move through the upper Midwest. Temperatures will remain very warm over the Plains and through the South, with mild conditions in the Great Lakes region and New England.


National Preparedness Level
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Preparedness Level 5: Geographic Areas are experiencing major incidents which have the potential to exhaust all agency fire resources. 80 percent of Type 1 and 2 IMTs and crews are committed, as well as the majority of other national resources.


Daily Statistics 8/24/13
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Number of new large fires:  3

States currently reporting large fires: 
Alaska (1), Arizona (1), California (10), Idaho (11), Montana (5), Nevada (3), Oregon (6), Utah (2), Washington (3), Wyoming (1)

Number of active large fires:  43

Acres from active fires:  854,480

Fires contained on 8/23/13:  4

Year-to-date large fires contained:  277



Year-to-Date Statistics
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2013 (1/1/13 - 8/24/13)      Fires: 33,126      Acres: 3,541,193

2012 (1/1/12 - 8/24/12)      Fires: 43,237      Acres: 7,147,484

2011 (1/1/11 - 8/24/11)      Fires: 50,471      Acres: 6,620,448

2010 (1/1/10 - 8/24/10)      Fires: 42,415      Acres: 2,686,316

2009 (1/1/09 - 8/24/09)      Fires: 63,832      Acres: 5,147,710

2008 (1/1/08 - 8/24/08)      Fires: 63,108      Acres: 4,434,364

Fires: 63,799      Fires: 63,799      Acres: 6,854,854

2006 (1/1/06 - 8/24/06)      Fires: 78,037      Acres: 7,165,712

2005 (1/1/05 - 8/24/05)      Fires: 44,181      Acres: 6,818,389

2004 (1/1/03 - 8/24/04)      Fires: 54,266      Acres: 6,630,417



10-Year Average
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2004-2013            Fires: 53,680      Acres: 5,711,326



Definitions
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National Preparedness Level: The National Multi-Agency Coordination Group establishes Preparedness Levels throughout the calendar year to help assure that firefighting resources are ready to respond to new incidents. Preparedness Levels are dictated by burning conditions, fire activity, and resource availability. The five Preparedness Levels range from 1-5, with 5 being the highest level. Each Preparedness Level has specific management directions. As the Preparedness Levels rise, more federal and state employees become available for fire mobilization.

Wildfire: Any nonstructure fire, other than prescribed fire, that occurs in the wildland.

Large Incident: A fire of 100 acres or more occurring in timber, or a fire of 300 acres or more occurring in grass/sage.

IMT1: Type 1 Incident Management Team assigned to Fire.

IMT2: Type 2 Incident Management Team assigned to Fire.

WFU: Fire Use. A naturally ignited Fire that is managed to accomplish specific resource management objectives in predefined geographic areas as outlined in Fire Management Plans.

      
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 25, 2013, 10:57:13 AM
Oh earlier this year was the AZ fires that killed 19 hotshots  wasn't that a tragedy waiting to happen with the policies in place from above?
Who is next to lose home and or life to this ?


http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jul/07/nation/la-na-fire-tic-toc-20130707
19 fallen Arizona firefighters showed courage to the end
As Arizona's Yarnell Hill fire took a sudden and deadly turn, 19 Granite Mountain Hotshot firefighters showed their resolve
July 7 2013

PRESCOTT, Ariz. — Hours before the Granite Mountain Interagency Hotshots climbed into the parched, craggy hills where they would die, one of them woke his father with a phone call.

"We have a fire in Yarnell," said Kevin Woyjeck. "It's big and getting bigger."

The lightning-sparked wildfire outside the tiny former gold-mining town had spread to 200 acres, sweeping over deep canyons and big boulders, taking fuel from chaparral rich with oils that burn hot and fast.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-arizona-firefighter-family-benefits-20130807,0,6537048.story
Fallen Arizona firefighter's family appeals for lifetime benefits
By Molly Hennessy-Fiske
August 7, 2013, 6:12 p.m.

Killeen, Texas—  Relatives of one of the 19 Arizona hotshots killed by a wildfire have launched an online petition to force the city of Prescott, Ariz., to provide his widow and young children with the same survivor benefits as other firefighters' families.

Andrew Ashcraft, 29, was a three-year city employee and one of the Granite Mountain Interagency Hotshot Crew members who were overrun by flames June 30 while battling a fast-moving blaze in the small town of Yarnell, about 35 miles south of Prescott. Only one member of the crew survived.

Ashcraft’s widow says she filed for the same benefits -- including income and health benefits -- as other families of hotshots killed in the Yarnell Hill fire, but was told last month that she didn't qualify because even though her husband was working full time when he died, he was technically a part-time employee.
...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/08/07/209892173/arizona-firefighters-widow-may-fight-city-over-benefits

The widow of a man who died fighting a wildfire this summer as part of a "hotshots" team based in Prescott, Ariz., says her attempts to be paid her late husband's lifetime benefits have been denied. The city's explanation is that Andrew Ashcraft, 29, was a seasonal employee, Juliann Ashcraft said Wednesday.
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 25, 2013, 11:07:46 AM
Oh does anyone remember when Los Alamos was evacuated and nuke secrets went missing?  


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerro_Grande_Fire

The Cerro Grande Fire was a disastrous forest fire in New Mexico, United States of America, that occurred in May 2000. The fire started as a controlled burn, and became uncontrolled owing to high winds and drought conditions.

Over 400 families in the town of Los Alamos, New Mexico, lost their homes in the resulting 48,000-acre (190 km²) fire. Structures at Los Alamos National Laboratory were also destroyed or damaged, although without loss or destruction of any of the special nuclear material housed there. Amazingly, there was no loss of human life. The US General Accounting Office estimated total damages at $1 billion.


http://www.autentico.org/oa09454.php
LOS ALAMOS NUCLEAR SECRETS MISSING
by Joseph Hebert

WASHINGTON (June 12 2000) - Two computer hard drives containing an array of nuclear secrets have disappeared from a highly secured vault at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico, prompting a top-level investigation, laboratory and Energy Department officials disclosed Monday.

Energy Department officials first learned that the nuclear secrets and other sensitive material were missing on June 1 and have not ruled out the possibility that the disappearance is related to the forest fire that threatened the lab and forced its evacuation last month.

Senior officials expressed doubt that it involved espionage.

''This is an extremely serious matter, and we are taking swift actions to deal with it,'' said John Browne, director of the federal nuclear weapons research lab. The facility was embroiled in an espionage controversy involving a former lab scientist for much of last year.

The two hard drives, each slightly larger than a deck of cards, contained material used by the Nuclear Emergency Search Team, or NEST, which is trained to respond to nuclear accidents or threat of terrorism. They contain detailed nuclear weapons data needed to render weapons safe in an emergency or as part of a threat by terrorists.

''It's very sensitive ... technical data,'' said retired Air Force Gen. Eugene Habiger, the Energy Department's top security official. He briefed Energy Secretary Bill Richardson on the disappearance Monday after a week-long investigation and search at the Los Alamos lab.

Habiger said in an interview that it is too early to determine what happened to the two hard drives.

But he said he has not ruled out the possibility that the materials might have been misplaced or destroyed during the confusion last month caused by the threat from a wildfire that destroyed much of the community of Los Alamos.

[ after the material had been copied - the drives were found .... ]  

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/06/16/losalamos.disks/
Missing nuclear secrets found behind Los Alamos copy machine
June 16, 2000
 
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Two missing computer hard drives containing sensitive nuclear weapons data from the Los Alamos National Laboratory have been recovered, federal authorities announced Friday

The drives were found behind a copy machine in a secure area of the laboratory that had previously been searched, sources told CNN
...


Oh now over ten years later were on fire AGAIN! ....  

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/new-mexico-wildfires-force-evacuation-los-alamos-nuclear-labratory-article-1.129481
New Mexico wildfires force evacuation at Los Alamos nuclear labratory
By Lukas I. Alpert  / DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Monday, June 27, 2011, 8:14 AM..

Raging wildfires in New Mexico forced the evacuation of the famed nuclear lab at Los Alamos Monday, though officials insist that radioactive material is secure.

Fires have burned as close as one mile from the government lab - threatening buildings, power lines and gas lines, officials said.

"Lab emergency crews have been dispatched across the lab to protect key facilities and materials," said lab spokesman Jeff Berger.

"Protected areas include all hazardous and radioactive facilities and our proton accelerator and super-computing centers."

About 100 non-essential personnel were cleared from the area around the lab, where the first atomic bomb was built.

Gov. Susanna Martinez toured the lab's emergency operations center late Sunday and ordered the state National Guard to the area.

http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/06/28/6963132-mandatory-evacuation-ordered-as-blaze-threatens-los-alamos?lite
(http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110628-alamos-da-03.photoblog900.jpg)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 25, 2013, 01:13:01 PM
Rim fire - Now the Sequoias are going up in flames along with all those peoples homes that live in the country side.
The Agenda 21 policies keep giving and giving...


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/25/yosemite-wildfire-strong-winds
Yosemite wildfire could worsen as firefighters brace for strong winds
Massive blaze burning in the vicinity of two ancient sequoia groves while thousands of rural homes also under threat

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/8/25/1377443360346/96561731-ef86-4085-a2fd-9252f39b9ae4-460x276.jpeg)
Inmate firefighters walk along state Highway 120 as firefighters continue to battle the Rim Fire near Yosemite. Photograph: Jae C Hong/AP

Firefighters braced for strong winds that could push a raging wildfire further into the north-west edge of Yosemite national park, threatening thousands of rural homes.

The massive blaze was also burning Sunday in the vicinity of two groves of giant sequoias that are unique the region, prompting park employees to take extra precautions of clearing brush and setting sprinklers.

The towering trees, which grow only on the western slopes of the Sierra Nevada and are among the largest and oldest living things on earth, can resist fire. However, dry conditions and heavy brush are forcing park officials to take extra precautions in the Tuolumne and Merced groves. About three dozen of the trees are affected.

"All of the plants and trees in Yosemite are important, but the giant sequoias are incredibly important both for what they are and as symbols of the National Park System," park spokesman Scott Gediman said Saturday.
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 25, 2013, 06:44:46 PM
Yosemite Rim Fire now a "crown fire"

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2013/aug/24/wildfire-threatens-yosemite-national-park#/?picture=415808432&index=0
Wildfire threatens Yosemite national park – in pictures

Firefighters struggle to contain a huge wildfire that has crossed into California's Yosemite national park. The part of the park frequented by tourists remains open, but a state of emergency has been declared for San Fransisco, because of the threat to the city's power and water supplies

theguardian.com, Sunday 25 August 2013 09.45 EDT

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/8/24/1377351701570/Rim-Fire-002.jpg)
A pine tree goes up in flames

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57599999/rim-fire-udpate-massive-yosemite-fire-creating-its-own-weather-pattern/
...

The high winds and movement of the fire from bone-dry brush on the ground to 100-foot oak and pine treetops have created dire conditions.
"A crown fire is much more difficult to fight," Berlant told The Associated Press Sunday. "Our firefighters are on the ground having to spray up."
...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/25/wildfire-san-francisco-yosemite-crown-fire
Wildfire containment efforts complicated by 'crown fire'

Biggest blaze in state history spreads across forest canopy in Yosemite national park as firefighters struggle to divert flames

Rory Carroll in Los Angeles
theguardian.com, Sunday 25 August 2013 17.22 EDT   

A total of 8,300 firefighters are battling nearly 400 square miles of fires across California.

Flames which leap across treetops creating a "crown fire" are complicating efforts to contain a huge wildfire in and around California's Yosemite national park.

The blaze raced across forest canopy as well as at ground level on Sunday, confronting firefighters with multiple challenges as the fire ravaged 207 square miles, one of the biggest in the state's history.

Helicopters and air tankers were supporting teams on the ground to try to contain and divert flames which threatened the Pine Mountain Lake community, said InciWeb, an inter-agency emergency services site.

"Direct attack is being used in some areas of the fire and more will be utilized as firefighters gain safe access." In steep, inaccessible terrain crews were using "indirect attack" to divert the blaze, it said.
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 25, 2013, 09:02:10 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqJCJHDN-QU
WRCFresnoTV -- Show 34 -- Agenda 21/Aspen Fire - July 31 2013 -- G. Edward Griffin -- Jon Gold
WeAreChangeFresno76
Published on Aug 17, 2013 

WRCFresnoTV -- Show 34 -- Agenda 21/Aspen Fire -- G. Edward Griffin -- Jon Gold -- Peace, Love & Liberty

Sam and Charlie have a panel discussion with G.I. Jim and Carol Funkner about the Aspen Fire, Agenda 21 and how to stop the new world order.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 26, 2013, 07:11:10 PM
So there are not ENOUGH fires yet for Agenda 21 !!!  

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=81919
(http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/81000/81919/california_amo_2013234.jpg)

On August 22, 2013, the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA’s Aqua satellite acquired this image of the drought-fueled Rim fire burning in central California, near Yosemite National Park.

Red outlines indicate hot spots where MODIS detected unusually warm surface temperatures associated with fires. Winds blew a thick smoke plume toward the northeast. A smaller fire—American fire—burned to the north. The lower image is a photograph that shows the fire burning at night on August 21.

Started on August 17, 2013, the fast-moving fire had already charred more than 100,000 acres (40,000 hectares) by August 23, despite the efforts of more than 2,000 firefighters. Hundreds of people were forced to evacuate their homes, and roads in the area were closed. As of August 23, no structures had been reported destroyed, but the fire threatened the towns of Groveland and Pine Mountain Lake.

By late August, wildfires had burned 3.4 million acres in the United States, making 2013 somewhat less active than other recent years.

Over the last decade, fires charred 5.7 million acres on average by August 22, according to statistics published the National Interagency Fire Center[/b].
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 26, 2013, 09:11:35 PM


  Report from Yellowstone National Park

  We went there yesterday  8-25-2013

  Only a few acres on fire---nothing big YET

  We have been blessed with quite a bit of rain.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: One Revelator August 26, 2013, 11:13:48 PM
We have been blessed with quite a bit of rain.

That’s usually what puts it out. That and a sharp rise in relative humidity. A lot of people don’t realize that wildfires are naturally occurring thanks to Smoky the Bear constantly wagging the finger at us. “Only you can prevent forest fires” is a boldfaced lie. It’s part of that cycle of life thing and needs to happen from time to time. Burn areas soon experience regrowth to allow a different habitat for different species of plants and animals. It was happening long before humans ever decided to try to control it.

Forestry can dump tons of retardant and buckets of water on such a large fire. They can doze fire breaks all day long. But all they’ll manage to do is possibly steer it a little and protect structures. They’re not going to put it out if the weather conditions are ripe for extreme fire behavior – low rh, fire  traveling uphill, dry fuel, etc.

Ultimately nature decides when fires start and when they stop. Whether humans control the weather or not is a different rabbit trail though.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 27, 2013, 10:12:07 AM
That’s usually what puts it out. That and a sharp rise in relative humidity. A lot of people don’t realize that wildfires are naturally occurring thanks to Smoky the Bear constantly wagging the finger at us. “Only you can prevent forest fires” is a boldfaced lie. It’s part of that cycle of life thing and needs to happen from time to time. Burn areas soon experience regrowth to allow a different habitat for different species of plants and animals. It was happening long before humans ever decided to try to control it.

Forestry can dump tons of retardant and buckets of water on such a large fire. They can doze fire breaks all day long. But all they’ll manage to do is possibly steer it a little and protect structures. They’re not going to put it out if the weather conditions are ripe for extreme fire behavior – low rh, fire  traveling uphill, dry fuel, etc.

Ultimately nature decides when fires start and when they stop. Whether humans control the weather or not is a different rabbit trail though.

  Thank you for the info.  We are still relatively hot here in Montana---90's every day.

  Yes I knew that most of these fires are caused by lightning.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 27, 2013, 10:57:14 AM
more history: Logging and timber industry is now 25 percent of what (on federal lands) it was in 1980's:

http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=5319
U.S. Forest Service protects the northern spotted owl by limiting timber sales on August 7, 1986.
By David Wilma, February 28, 2003

On August 7, 1986, the U.S. Forest Service acts to protect the northern spotted owl (Strix occidentalis caurina ) from decline and extinction by limiting timber sales in mature portions of National Forests, which the animals need to live. The immediate impact is outcry from the forest products industry and from environmentalists.  The industry complains that the measure goes too far and will cost thousands of jobs, and environmentalists claim that not enough is being done to protect the species.

This is one in a long series of governmental actions and court decisions that will result in a reduction of more than 75 percent of the timber harvested annually from public lands.

Beginning in the early 1970s, biologists in Oregon recognized that the northern spotted owl needed old-growth forests (200-year-old forests that had never been logged or burned) for their habitats. The scientists estimated that one pair of owls needed hundreds of acres of forest habitat to survive.  The spotted owl was regarded as an indicator species, one whose numbers reflected the health of other species and the forest ecosystem. In 1976, the National Forest Management Act required the U.S. Forest Service to make plans for the maintenance of "viable populations of existing native and desired non-native vertebrate species in the planning area.”

In 1984, the Forest Service developed an environmental impact statement and a forest management plan that required forest managers to consider owl habitat in the sales of timber. This placed in jeopardy the supply of logs for logging companies and lumber mills. The reduced number of logs had an economic impact in the entire forest products industry and in dozens of communities in the Northwest.

In 1986, the Forest Service proposed to withhold from sale 2,200 acres of forest for each of the 512 known nesting pairs of owls. This launched a debate over whether the measures were too restrictive on the forest products industry or not enough to protect the owls, with conflicting arguments and contradictory evidence. After much discussion and public comment, a final management plan was adopted in December 1987.

Endangered Species Act

Also in December 1987, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service declined to list the northern spotted owl under the Endangered Species Act. Environmentalists sued the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) to list the species. In the litigation, the agency admitted that it had taken into account economics and politics in its decision not to list. By law, economics and politics are not to be considered in listing a species.

In June 1989, the Fish and Wildlife Service proposed listing the owl as threatened under the Endangered Species Act. Most Northwest timber sales simply stopped and loggers and mill workers were laid off.

Loggers and mill workers blamed environmentalists and the owl for the loss of jobs. Environmentalists blamed mechanization and log exports for the unemployment. Protests grew violent in some areas. Courts entered the dispute with decisions to resume or halt timber sales. The losing side appealed nearly every decision.

On June 26, 1990, the Fish and Wildlife Service formally listed the northern spotted owl as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act throughout Oregon, Washington, and California. This impacted private and tribal lands in addition to federal lands since any "taking" of a species anywhere was prohibited. Taking included the loss of any habitat. The Fish and Wildlife Service delayed implementation until plans could be developed.

Judge Dwyer's Decision

On March 7, 1991, U.S. District Court Judge William Dwyer (1929-2002) ruled that the Forest Service Management Plan was inadequate under the law. By that time logging in National Forests had been cut by 50 percent.

In April 1994, the Clinton Administration presented Judge Dwyer with the Northwest Forest Plan that preserved 70 percent of federally owned old-growth forests -- reducing timber sales to less than a fourth of the 1980s. In addition the plan provided for restoration of watersheds that had been damaged by logging operations. Both sides in the dispute objected to the plan and went to court. In December 1994, Judge Dwyer held that the Northwest Forest Plan complied with the 1976 National Forest Management Act.

http://www.oregon.gov/odf/privateforests/docs/spottedowl.pdf

...
How Are Private Landowners Affected?
Less than ten percent of spotted owl habitat in Oregon is thought to exist on private forest land. All landowners and operators are required to follow the state requirements and avoid a “taking” as prohibited by the federal Endangered Species Act.

A taking is defined as harming, killing, pursuing or capturing a threatened or endangered species. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has established four guidelines that assist landowners and operators to avoid a taking. The federal Endangered Species Act creates different expectations for federal and private land. On federal
land, the act requires full measures be taken to provide recovery of a species. On private land, the act prohibits a taking of a threatened or endangered species. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is responsible for administering and enforcing the federal Endangered Species Act.


Oh there a " Mexican spotted owl too!!!
 

http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/MSO_CH_overview_map_lg.html
(http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/Images/MSO_CH_images/mso_unit_overview_lg.gif)

Interesting comment :
http://www.opb.org/news/article/new-critical-habitat-map-out-for-spotted-owl/
New 'Critical Habitat' Map Out For Spotted Owl

OPB | Nov. 21, 2012 9:37 p.m. | Updated: Nov. 23, 2012 1:25 a.m. | Portland, Oregon

Erica  
• 9 months ago  △ ▽

Mr Partin,

Why did the barred owls move into their habitat? And why do devastating wild fires occur? The more forest you remove, the more barred owls you will see. They like open areas.....unlike the NSO that likes dense forest canopy. We removed a bunch of forest, so our solution should be to remove even more forest because the barred owls are going to win anyway? Awww, shucks! Makes total sense. Might as well chop the whole forest down so it doesn't catch on fire!! I mean, fire does nothing good in the woods, right?

Mind blowing to me that someone from the "American Forest Resource Council" is trying to deny the chain reaction of deforestation. 9 million acres is too much? What is the right amount? Mr. Partin and the timber industry don't care. What people care about is money NOW, you can't replace OGF, and your logging jobs will come and go in a flash (there is no longevity in logging old growth). Just remember, the NSO is a keystone species.....it's not just it alone, that's disappearing.

http://www.fws.gov/pacific/ecoservices/nsofch.html

2008 Final Revised Critical Habitat for the   Northern Spotted Owl

(http://www.defenders.org/sites/default/files/spotted-owl-range-map.jpg)

http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/index.ssf/2012/11/obama_administration_increases.html
Obama administration increases 'critical habitat' for northern spotted owl

By  Scott Learn, The Oregonian  
on November 21, 2012 at 10:27 AM, updated November 21, 2012 at 7:19 PM

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service designated 9.6 million acres of critical habitat for  the northern spotted owl this morning, nearly double the last designation in 2008.

The acreage in Oregon, Washington and California won't be off limits to logging. But the service's decision requires heightened federal review of logging projects on lands owned by the U.S. Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management, the bulk of the designated land.

The northern spotted owl has been at the center of the Northwest's timber wars since it was listed as threatened in 1990 under the Endangered Species Act.
...
Harvests in Oregon's federal forests totaled a half-billion board feet last year, down from 2.5 billion to 5 billion board feet in the 1980s.

Timber industry groups warned the expanded critical habitat could dampen efforts to increase logging on BLM lands in southwest Oregon, where rural counties are banking on revenues from increased timber sales.

The expanded area is also likely to increase lawsuits from environmental groups on individual timber sales across the spotted owl's range, said Jim Geisinger, executive vice president of Associated Oregon Loggers.
...

Tom Partin, president of the American Forest Resource Council, called the service's decision "flawed." It included land that doesn't host spotted owls, he said, and isn't necessary for owl conservation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biscuit_Fire

The Biscuit Fire was a wildfire that took place in 2002 that burned nearly 500,000 acres (2,000 km²) in the Siskiyou National Forest in southern Oregon and northern California, in the Western United States. The fire was named after Biscuit Creek in southern Oregon.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/NASA_Biscuit_fire.jpg)

...
Since the fire, the United States Forest Service has been trying to log most of the severely burnt area, despite ecologists' concerns about the Port Orford Cedar, which is threatened from a root fungus that is most commonly spread on car tires and shoes. This will be the largest recorded timber sale in U.S. history, and a landmark case setting the future for all fires in national forests. The cost of salvage logging far outweighed the proceeds from sales (-$1.9 million).

In 2006, a research paper on the effects of post-wildfire salvage logging caused a controversy within the forest sciences community.

http://rense.com/general34/sdsee.htm
Severe Oregon Fire Erased  Much Spotted Owl Habitat
 By Beth Quinn
 Correspondent - The Oregonian
 1-27-3

GRANTS PASS -- The Biscuit fire destroyed three of every four trees across hundreds of thousands of acres in the Siskiyou National Forest, much of it old- growth habitat for the northern spotted owl that was at the heart of battles between loggers and environmentalist 20 years ago.   
...
To jump-start the creation of new owl habitat, the Siskiyou Forest will consider opening 36,568 acres of late successional reserve to salvage logging as well as 15,150 acres already open to commercial harvest.  In addition, dead trees " considered hazards will be removed from campgrounds, fire lines and up to 300 miles of forest road. Foresters say removing dead trees and replanting areas where some old-growth trees survive would regrow forests that might support owls in 80 to 100 years

 But environmental groups plan to challenge salvage logging projects because most of the trees are with - in roadless areas. "We definitely have a problem with any kind of logging in roadless areas, late successional reserves or wild river corridors," said Barbara "Ullian of Cave Junction-based Siskiyou Regional Education Project. "They're trying to push the time- lines. They don't want to wait for the natural succession to happen, for the shrubs and brush species to establish themselves and then the conifers come up through the brush.   The threat of delays caused by such challenges and the extra costs involved in helicopter logging won't deter comrnercial loggers long-starved of the Sisikyou's famed 24-inch and larger Douglas fir trees, said Dave Hill of the Southern Oregon Timber Industries Association.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 27, 2013, 11:25:58 AM


  Thanks for the spotted owl info TahoeBlue.

  Habitats for birds are SOME OF THE BIGGEST SCAMS OUT THERE.  A BIRD CAN GO TO A NEW HABITAT BETTER THAN ANY ANIMAL BECAUSE THE HAVE WINGS.

  More BS from the government and other weirdoes.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: One Revelator August 27, 2013, 12:39:38 PM
Looks like some good news for the Yosemite fire.

Yosemite Fire Update: Crews Finally Make Progress   

By: Brian Skoloff and Tracie Cone
Published: August 27, 2013

TUOLUMNE CITY, Calif.  -- Crews are finally gaining ground on a massive wildfire burning near Yosemite National Park as fire officials expressed optimism even as the blaze grew larger while containment jumped to 20 percent.

As flames lapped at the edge of the main reservoir that supplies San Francisco, fears that the inferno could disrupt water or power to the city diminished.

"It looks great out there. No concerns," Glen Stratton, an operations section chief on the blaze, said of the Hetch Hetchy Reservoir.

Nearly 3,700 firefighters battled the roughly 252-square-mile fire, the biggest wildfire on record in California's Sierra Nevada.

"A slight chance of thunderstorms is in the forecast for Tuesday and a flash flood watch is in effect for the burn area," said weather.com meteorologist Chris Dolce. "Although any rainfall would be helpful if storms do develop, the shifting winds associated with the storms could make firefighting conditions more difficult. The increased moisture will also keep humidity levels higher."

Crews remained confident they could protect hydroelectric transmission lines and other utility facilities at the reservoir, the chief source of San Francisco's famously pure drinking water.

"I don't foresee any problems," Stratton said.

More:
http://www.wunderground.com/news/yosemite-fire-progress-20130827
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 27, 2013, 12:55:37 PM
Looks like some good news for the Yosemite fire.


yes, there's nothing left to burn ... fire is hitting natural fire breaks....
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 27, 2013, 01:15:56 PM
yes, there's nothing left to burn ... fire is hitting natural fire breaks....

  Good news for the San francisco area.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: chris jones August 27, 2013, 04:30:03 PM
  Thanks for the spotted owl info TahoeBlue.
  Habitats for birds are SOME OF THE BIGGEST SCAMS OUT THERE.  A BIRD CAN GO TO A NEW HABITAT BETTER THAN ANY ANIMAL BECAUSE THE HAVE WINGS.
  More BS from the government and other weirdoes.
           Just after the Gulf war I had a meeting with a guy from another country. Somewhere in the conversation he mentioned the Gulf War and held up a magazine with a seagull laying on an oil soaked beach. He said- laughingly, they care more about some seagulls than the humans..
  I didn't like this guy, it was business only, but I do remember feeling at a loss for words.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc August 28, 2013, 04:14:21 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/28/officials-say-yosemite-fire-unlikely-to-cause-disruptions-at-sf-bay-area-chief/

  Hey, I thought this fire at Yosemite was suppose to be out or contained yesterday.

Fast-moving grass fire threatens homes in California, as crews continue to battle Yosemite blaze

A fast-moving wildfire has burned at least two homes and is threatening dozens more in a crowded Northern California neighborhood, as officials elsewhere in the state hope cooler temperatures will help in the fight against a blaze near Yosemite National Park.

A fire department dispatcher in Fairfield, about 40 miles northeast of San Francisco, says two houses on Marigold Drive near Interstate 80 are engulfed in flames and nearby homes are being evacuated. The local fire department is getting help from the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection.

Meanwhile, crews battling the massive wildfire near Yosemite are anticipating the temperatures and higher humidity this week may allow them to gain an upper hand in containing it.

The Rim Fire -- which is is threatening thousands of structures and historic giant sequoias -- remained 20 percent contained Tuesday.

The fire had ravaged 288 square miles by Tuesday night, the biggest in the Sierra's recorded history and one of the largest on record in California. Nearly 3,700 firefighters are currently battling the blaze, which is also a record.

As flames lapped at the edge of the main reservoir that supplies San Francisco, fears that the inferno could disrupt water or power to the city diminished. On Tuesday the fire moved into the watershed, which increases the chances of sediment runoff this winter.

"It looks great out there. No concerns," Glen Stratton, an operations section chief on the blaze, said of the Hetch Hetchy Reservoir.

Crews remained confident Tuesday that they could protect hydroelectric transmission lines and other utility facilities at the reservoir, the chief source of San Francisco's famously pure drinking water.

"I don't foresee any problems," Stratton said.

Utility officials monitored the basin's clarity and used a massive new $4.6 billion gravity-operated pipeline system to move water quickly to reservoirs closer to the city.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 29, 2013, 11:25:11 AM
Bring in the drone...  bring in the predator drone ,,,, notice that although contained many more square miles are burned

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/predator-drone-deployed-rim-fire-fight-article-1.1440190
Predator drone joins Rim Fire fight as Yosemite blaze spreads

The unmanned aircraft will report flare-ups in real time to ground commanders. The California National Guard pilots the Predator from hundreds of miles away, providing new data on the raging wildfire.
 
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Thursday, August 29, 2013, 8:39 AM


GROVELAND, Calif. — As crews advanced against a giant wildfire around Yosemite National Park, fire commanders said they would maintain use of a Predator drone to give them early views of any new flare-ups across in the remote and rugged landscape.

The Rim Fire expanded to 301 square miles, but crews had a productive day Wednesday and containment increased to 30 percent. Cooler temperatures and lighter winds aided the firefighters.

Increasingly confident fire officials said they expect to fully surround the blaze in three weeks, although it will burn for much longer than that.

“We continue to get line around this fire,” California fire spokesman Daniel Berlant said. “It’s not nearly as active as it was last week.”

The California National Guard drone deployed Wednesday was being remotely piloted hundreds of miles away, allowing ground commanders to keep an eye out for new fires they otherwise wouldn’t have immediately seen.

...

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-260
NASA 'Eyes' Dissect California's Massive Rim Fire

August 27, 2013

The Rim Fire burning in and near Yosemite National Park in California continues to grow and move its way up in the record books. As of Aug. 27, CAL FIRE (California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection) reports that the fire, which started Aug. 17, had consumed nearly 180,000 acres, making it the seventh largest wildfire in California's recorded history. The fire is one of 10 active major wildfires burning across California as of Aug. 27.

 New satellite images from NASA's Aqua and Terra spacecraft illustrate some of the many facets of the fire's effects on the landscape and atmosphere. The fire's plume of carbon monoxide pollution is shown in a new image from Aqua's Atmospheric Infrared Sounder (AIRS) instrument. The still image was acquired Aug. 26.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA17427
(http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/images/mediumsize/PIA17427_ip.jpg)

NASA's Aqua Spacecraft Images Pollution from California's Rim Fire

The plume of carbon monoxide pollution from the Rim Fire burning in and near Yosemite National Park, Calif., is visible in this Aug. 26, 2013 image from the Atmospheric Infrared Sounder (AIRS) instrument on NASA's Aqua spacecraft. The image shows a three-day running average of daily measurements of carbon monoxide present at an altitude of 18,000 feet (5.5 kilometers), as well as its global transport. The abundance of carbon monoxide is shown in parts per billion, with the highest concentrations shown in yellows and reds. The carbon monoxide plume from the Rim fire now extends into Canada. Even more prominent in the image are the carbon monoxide emissions from widespread agricultural fires in Africa and South America, and fires in the northern forests of Asia


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-rim-fire-containment-20130828,0,2975657.story
Rim fire spreading more slowly; containment expected in 2 weeks


By Robert J. Lopez and Julie Cart
August 29, 2013, 2:00 a.m.

The rate of spread of the massive Rim fire near Yosemite National Park has slowed in recent days and firefighters expect to have it fully contained by Sept. 10, officials said.

"That's given us a greater opportunity to get in there and strengthen our containment lines," he told The Times.

He said fire commanders expect full containment of the blaze in the next two weeks.

Last week, the fire burned 30,000 acres in a 24-hour span and 50,000 acres in another 24-hour span, Berlant said. But in the last two days, the rate of fire spread has slowed to 10,000 acres one day and 5,000 on another

Incident Cmdr. Mike Wilkins requested the MQ-1 aircraft belonging to the California Air National Guard. The remotely piloted plane began flying Wednesday morning. It continued on a 20-hour mission throughout the day, alerting crews to a spot fire and providing a more comprehensive fire map.

The drone, about the size of a small Cessna plane, takes off from the Victorville Airport and is operated from March Air Reserve Base in Riverside, said Lt. Col. Tom Keegan of the National Guard.

Unmanned aircraft have been used sparingly on fires but are gaining traction as a cheaper, more efficient tool for fire bosses to better understand where fires are going and how they are behaving.

They are especially prized for their ability to beam real-time pictures directly to fire bosses, who can make tactical adjustments more quickly. The aircraft are equipped with infared heat sensors and a swiveling camera operated by a remote pilot.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MQ-1_Predator_unmanned_aircraft.jpg
(http://www.mygen.com/images/MQ-1_Predator_unmanned_aircraft.a.jpg)
MQ-1 Predator unmanned aircraft. (U.S. Air Force photo/Lt Col Leslie Pratt)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc September 01, 2013, 11:25:21 AM
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/31/20274497-californias-fourth-largest-wildfire-fills-yosemite-valley-with-smoke-on-holiday-weekend?lite

California's fourth-largest wildfire fills Yosemite Valley with smoke on holiday weekend


(http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/130831-yosemite-hmed-10p.photoblog600.jpg)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: phyrefly September 01, 2013, 11:53:11 AM
Disgusting. So too the bark beetle epidemic. At one point in British Columbia, it was already known just how many bark beetles needed to die to prevent a catastrophe. The cork-sucking foresters and entomologists on both sides of the Canadian border allowed the debauch to the point that clouds of beetles could be detected on radar. Contemplate the pathology and behiold, in vivid intuition the madness in the bark beetle YouTubes: this arrogant female is telling us what forests of the future will be like, because the species that was (beetle-eaten[italics) will not survive. There will be a serious jones when pollen will have to be collected by hand (while dodging drones) for sale here at Infowars. A review of the militant gardener in Los Angeles (YouTube) will accompany a review of Euell Gibbons. Your choice whether or not to hire a capitalist scientist with testing equipment, or to go it alone and ingest the herbage, a kind of botanical roulette.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 01, 2013, 12:22:52 PM
Disgusting. So too the bark beetle epidemic. At one point in British Columbia, it was already known just how many bark beetles needed to die to prevent a catastrophe. The cork-sucking foresters and entomologists on both sides of the Canadian border allowed the debauch to the point that clouds of beetles could be detected on radar.
...

[ refer to the first post - the earlier fires have left the weakened forests vulnerable to the final blow of the Beetle  infestation

"Forest fires create entrances for diseases and insects; staining the wood that could be used for lumber; and cause rot to begin and continue."
]
 

http://www.dailycamera.com/old/state-west-news/ci_23610767/link-between-beetle-kill-and-forest-fires-draws
Link between beetle kill and forest fires draws closer look

Once affected trees' needles drop, so does flammability
By Kevin Vaughan and Burt Hubbard I-News at Rocky Mountain PBS
Updated:   07/08/2013 04:55:51 PM MDT

Colorado's 4.3 million acres of beetle-decimated forests represent a catastrophe in the making during another devastating wildfire season.

Or do they?

That is the conventional wisdom as another summer unfolds with destructive blazes that have left skies along the Front Range choked with smoke, but the reality is not so simple.

"The issue is not will beetle-kill forests burn -- they certainly will," said Monica Turner, a University of Wisconsin professor who has done extensive research of wildfires in the West. "The question is, are they [is] burning worse -- more severely -- than if the forest was green?"

[
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monica_Turner

Turner was raised in the suburbs of Long Island just outside of New York city. Her father was a self-employed lawyer and her mother was an executive in Girl Scouting. Turner obtained her B.S in Biology summa cum laude from Fordham University in 1980.
...
Turner went on to become a staff scientist at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory. As a scientist at Oak Ridge National Laboratory
...

In 1988 Turner sought to find a Landscape in which to study her model. After rejoining with fellow ecologist Bill Romme an expert in Yellowstone fire-history Turner was able to find the landscape she needed in the fire ridden Yellowstone, in which more than one-third of the park had been burned
...
 ‘‘As we continue to deal with the effects of global warming, I think we are going to see an increasing frequency, severity, and range of disturbances, which will produce much more interaction,’’ Turner on the future of ecological disturbances.
...

http://landscape.zoology.wisc.edu/

Dr. Monica G. Turner
 Department of Zoology
 University of Wisconsin-Madison
 430 Lincoln Drive
 Madison, Wisconsin 53706
 USA
]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_pine_beetle

The mountain pine beetle (MPB) Dendroctonus ponderosae, is a species of bark beetle native to the forests of western North America from Mexico to central British Columbia. It has a hard black exoskeleton, and measures approximately 5 mm, about the size of a grain of rice.

In western North America, the current outbreak of the mountain pine beetle and its microbial associates has destroyed wide areas of lodgepole pine forest, including more than 16 million hectares in British Columbia.[1] The current outbreak in the Rocky Mountain National Park began in 1996 and has caused the destruction of millions of acres of ponderosa and lodgepole pine trees. According to an annual assessment by the state's forest service, 264,000 acres of trees in Colorado were infested by the mountain pine beetle at the beginning of 2013. This was much smaller than the 1.15 million acres that were affected in 2008 because the beetle has already killed off most of the vulnerable trees (Ward).


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Fire hazards[edit source]

The long-held belief that beetle infestations and resulting deadkill lead to more devastating forest fires is currently being challenged. Though most firefighters would strongly disagree, ongoing NASA studies have shown beetle kill may actually reduce available small fuels and consequently limit the effect and reach of fires.[18]

http://cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/pages/49?lang=en_CA
The threat of mountain pine beetle to Canada’s boreal forest

The mountain pine beetle (MPB) is a native insect that attacks pines in western North American forests.

The current MPB outbreak started in British Columbia in the early 1990s. The insect has since killed about 50% of the total volume of commercial lodgepole pine in the province. While isolated records of MPB had been noted in Alberta before, it was the massive migration of beetles into that province from outbreaks in British Columbia during 2006 that fuelled the spread eastward.


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http://www.newser.com/story/173516/rim-fire-may-have-started-on-illegal-pot-farm-official.html
Rim Fire May Have Started on Illegal Pot Farm: Official

California's national parks are full of them, say authorities
By Ruth Brown,  Newser Staff

Posted Aug 31, 2013 4:59 PM CDT

Newser)  – A fire chief in California's Tuolumne County quietly revealed an interesting tidbit about the origins of the Rim Fire last week, the San Jose Mercury News reports: officials suspect it was started by marijuana growers. "We don't know the exact cause," he told a town meeting, but said it was definitely "human caused" and that it was "highly suspect that there might have been some sort of illicit grove, a marijuana-grow-type thing. "It wouldn't be the first time. A 2009 fire in Los Padres National Forest near Santa Barbara is believed to have been caused by a campfire at an illegal pot plantation run by a Mexican drug cartel.
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http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_23986627/rim-fire-did-illegal-marijuana-growers-start-blaze
Rim Fire: Did illegal marijuana growers start the blaze?
By Paul Rogers

progers@mercurynews.com
 Copyright © 2013 by Bay Area News Group

[
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqX4Qh2zWLM&feature=player_embedded
Chief McNeil Rim Fire Briefing
Published on Aug 23, 2013
 

Chief Todd McNeil of Twain Harte Fire has been on the Fire line as Division Crew Supervisor since the beginning of The Rim Fire on Sunday.
]


Investigators searching for answers into what caused the massive wildfire burning in and around Yosemite National Park have made some headway, fire officials said Friday.

Most authorities are mum about the details, but one fire official in Tuolumne County offered a tantalizing clue when he recently told a community meeting that the fire was likely caused by marijuana growers.
...
"We know it's human caused. There was no lightning in the area," said McNeal, a former captain with the Sonora Fire Department who has fought fires for 23 years for the Forest Service, the National Park Service and other agencies in the Sierra Nevada.
...
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 01, 2013, 01:09:16 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/01/yosemite-wildfire-congress-funding
Cuts to wildfire projects have harmed Yosemite fire recovery, critics say

Tree-thinning projects approved by US forest service but never funded by Congress may have slowed fire's progress

Reuters
theguardian.com, Sunday 1 September 2013 09.41 EDT   

A cluster of controlled fire and tree-thinning projects approved by forestry officials but never funded might have slowed the progress of the massive Rim fire in California, a wide range of critics said this weekend.
...
The projects, which were approved by the US forest service but never funded by Congress, would have thinned the woods in about 25 square miles (65 square km) in the Groveland district of the Stanislaus national forest, much of which was incinerated by the Rim fire. About 9,000 acres were suitable to be deliberately burned as fire prevention buffer zones in 2012, the forest service said in a document provided to Reuters.

But reductions in funding for fire prevention efforts by Congress in recent years coupled with stringent air quality standards that limit the timeframe for such burns have hampered efforts to carry them out on a larger scale.
...
"This is a colossal unfunded backlog of critically important fuel reduction work," said John Buckley, executive director of the Central Sierra Environmental Resource Center and a former forest service firefighter. The projects "would have inarguably made the Rim Fire far easier to contain, far less expensive and possibly not even a major disaster".
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Federal fire figures show an average of 7.6m acres charred per year between 2004 and 2012, up from 3.6m acres annually in the preceding 20 years.

Part of the problem, experts and many fire officials say, is that funding has been low for the controlled burns and forest-thinning work that makes it harder for a wildfire to spread.
...
Mike Albrecht, co-owner of the logging company Sierra Resource Management, which operates on public land in the Sierra Nevada mountains said that the backlogged projects would likely have helped limit the Rim fire. The "one-two punch" of thinning the forest through logging and prescribed burns is essential for stemming the tide of catastrophic wildfires across the American west, he said.
...

Craig Thomas, conservation director for the environmental coalition group Sierra Forest Legacy
... federal and state air quality regimes that limit the timeframe for prescribed burns by counting the smoke they generate along with industrial and auto emissions - while not counting the smoke from an actual wildfire.
...


Tom McClintock [(R)] , a third-term conservative Republican in whose district the Rim Fire has burned.

More dire than a backlog of forest service controlled burns, McClintock says, is the precipitous, 25-year decline in logging of bigger, money-making trees on public lands.

"If we were harvesting the same amount of timber we once did, we'd have fewer fires but also a revenue stream for the treatment of many thousands of acres that we're not treating today," he said.
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: phyrefly September 01, 2013, 01:13:08 PM
MPB did not start in the 1990s, and it would not be surprising if cartoon growers started the fires. Arizona's fire left alkaline conditions, so Fordham University's graduate can get her rump back to the book on plague published by that university, and at the same time review Rail's Ecotoxicology of Plague (UNM Press). The text to cite for earlier studies showing an imprtant threshold for bark beetles is still being sought so that common persons can see it for themselves publisehd in cyberspace. Knowing the delirium and impotency of late capitalism, we doubt that anyone else, paid or not, will be able to do anything about it, either: Jaba's punk-ass Gestapo tickets you for attempting to wipe off an oily sea-gull, because only those "certified" are allowed in the forest. What that fascist machine will be getting for it, will be stupidity-crucifying information anarchy, as the Oglala Aquifer is drained to amnesiac oblivion. What the hell else did you expect, Dipshit? Not only does it (have to get political[italics]), it also must put a leash on the schizoid homoeroticity of islamochristian capitalism and its passion seeking. This earth-debauching machine, that seeks to get everyone else involved while god chases everything non-human away, fish, ducks.... is being played out with the WHO telling us not to worry about the 2014 radiation wave from Fukushima: it not only does not know what will happen, it wants Jaba's prisoners to think only of themselves, which will help keep them in Stalin's White Nursery, and make it so that the Theologian can continue to project arrogance, stupidity, and the right to sequester.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 02, 2013, 01:20:17 PM
No ranching allowed in the rural agenda21 areas ....

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/02/20292536-hundreds-of-california-cattle-feared-hurt-dead-as-massive-rim-fire-scorches-region?lite
Hundreds of California cattle feared hurt, dead as massive Rim Fire scorches region
By Daniel Arkin, Staff Writer, NBC News

The monstrous California wildfire that has scorched an area nearly the size of New York City doesn't just loom over hundreds of homes — it's also threatening one of the cornerstones of the regional economy: cattle.

Many of the thousands of grass-fed cows who have grazed on lush land in the Stanislaus National Forest — where the massive fire sparked Aug. 17 — are now feared displaced, wounded or dead, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.
...
As local ranch hands deal with their potentially decimated stock — and with the future of grazing in the forest area unclear — the regional cattle industry may take a big hit, according to the newspaper

[ http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Yosemite-fire-displaces-grazing-ranch-animals-4780200.php
Yosemite fire displaces grazing ranch animals
]
...
Herds of cattle are now scattered over thousands of acres — making evacuation efforts a huge challenge.
...
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc September 02, 2013, 01:34:26 PM
Pretty devastating for California this year.  A lot of smoke here in Montana today. We've been lucky so far. But it ain't over until it starts raining and snowing.  90's for the next 4 days.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 13, 2013, 12:23:19 PM
Oh yes get ready for the rainy season ! Now that they've (agenda21) shut down the major industry of the west (Timber), if they can't  burn you out, they will flood you out...  Just think of all the spotted owls they have saved! (KILLED)  

They lie and people die .... Notice that the government ends up owning the remaining economy here either fighting fire floods and mopping up "the recovery"


http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2013/09/13/3-dead-in-colorado-floods/
At least 3 dead, thousands evacuated as Colorado flooding cuts off mountain towns

Published September 13, 2013
FoxNews.com

President Obama approved federal disaster aid late Thursday night for areas along Colorado’s Front Range mountains after days of heavy rain caused flash flooding that left at least three dead and prompted authorities to evacuate thousands from cities like Boulder.


Governor John Hickenlooper signed a disaster declaration and said, "this could easily be a 50 or 100-year-flood."

After a rainy week, up to 8 more inches fell in an area spanning from the Wyoming border south to the foothills west of Denver. Flooding extended all along the Front Range mountains and into some cities, including Colorado Springs, Denver, Fort Collins, Greeley, Aurora and Boulder.
...

Some of the flooding was exacerbated by wildfire "burn scars" that have spawned flash floods all summer in the mountains. That was particularly true in an area scarred by fire in 2010 near the tiny community of Jamestown and another near Colorado Springs' Waldo Canyon that was hit in 2012

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324576304579070993584463288.html
Updated September 12, 2013, 12:42 p.m. ET
Floods Soak Colorado Region Left Vulnerable by Fires
Hevy Rains Hammer Boulder, Nearby Mountain Communities, Stranding Residents
...
The large wildfires that wiped out swaths of forest land in the central area of the state during the past two years have exacerbated flooding conditions and sent debris-filled water careening down from the mountains, according to the National Weather Service.

There had been rain forecasted in the area, but the amount and duration of the precipitation was unexpected, said Nezette Rydell, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Boulder.

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http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/wildfire-burn-scars-worsen-colorado-flooding
Wildfire burn scars worsen Colorado flooding
A lack of plants and undergrowth -- burned away by fires -- allows rain to run off the ground as if it were a sheet of metal

Boulder, Colo., is getting absolutely drenched — since last night (Sept. 11), an incredible 5 to 10 inches (13 to 25 centimeters) of rain have fallen in the city and its surrounding areas, and the deluge continues.
...
 
The downpour has caused flash floods throughout the Boulder area and killed two people, according to news reports. Many roads throughout the area are impassible, and most businesses and schools throughout the region have closed.

But one factor has made the flooding considerably worse: the wildfires that have stricken the forests in the region in the past few years, said Kari Bowen, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service (NWS) office in Boulder.

"When you have a dense forest with undergrowth, you have plants and things to trap moisture and rain," Bowen told LiveScience. "But when it's gone, you have nothing to catch it." The fire also makes the ground almost hydrophobic, or water-repelling, and these effects can last 10 to 15 years, she added.

(http://www.mnn.com/sites/default/files/user/137915/ColoradoBurnScar_e_0912.jpg)
A satellite spied the burned-out scar left by Colorado's Waldo Canyon fire on July 4. (Photo: NASA

[Photos: Devastating Colorado Wildfires  http://www.livescience.com/21250-photos-devastating-colorado-wildfires.html  ]

This means that when large quantities of rain fall, the water runs off the ground as it would off a sheet of metal. Even a half inch (1.3 cm) of rain can cause flooding when it falls in a short amount of time, not to mention the current onslaught of precipitation, Bowen said. The mountainous topography of the area worsens the flooding, channeling it into valleys and sending it screaming down the slopes.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, then, the flooding is worse in some areas that have seen forest fires in recent years, including the High Park area and Waldo Canyon, the scene of fires of the same name in June 2012. The Waldo Canyon fire was the worst in the state's history to that date, burning more than 18,000 acres (7,300 hectares) near Colorado Springs and destroying more than 300 homes.

The burn scars from these fires are also at increased risk of debris flows and mudslides for the same reason: Water quickly runs off, and there are fewer plants to hold rocks and soil in place. "The water carries soil and rocks and dead trees, and causes a lot of destruction," Bowen said.

So far, there have been reports of debris washing out roads in the High Park area, Bowen said. Another place that saw wildfires, the Fourmile Canyon burn area, has multiple roads out due to flooding and debris, according to the NWS. That fire occurred in September 2010, 5 miles (8 kilometers) from downtown Boulder, and burned 6,181 acres (2,501 hectares).
 ...

oh yes this can kill you ....

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/09/13/warning-issued-about-dangerously-high-boulder-creek/
80 Boulderites Unaccounted For, Missing Woman Found Dead

Hotline Set Up For People With Missing Relatives Or Friends: (303) 776-2927

September 13, 2013 3:50 PM

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Almost 3,500 people were evacuated at midnight in the city as the Emerson Gulch in Fourmile Canyon west of the city washed out and there was concern that creek would crest. Water levels did rise rapidly, and one point overnight water flowed at speeds of 5,000 cubic feet per second.
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http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=82023

(http://eoimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/82000/82023/silverfirenm_oli_2013228.jpg)

As the 138,000-acre Silver Fire was still smoldering in New Mexico in June 2013, forest restoration specialists were already on the job. They needed to figure out where to focus emergency restoration efforts, so they analyzed maps to determine where the fire had destroyed vegetation and exposed the soil.

The Burned Area Emergency Response (BAER) team of the U.S. Forest Service goes into the woods as soon as the flames die down. Their job is to help protect reservoirs, watersheds, and infrastructure from floods and erosion in the wake of the fire. And Landsat satellites, built by NASA and operated by the U.S. Geological Survey, help guide those crews to the forested areas needing attention.
...
“The whole basis for this is the need for speed,” said Penny Luehring, leader of the BAER team and the watershed improvement program for the U.S. Forest Service. “In the southwest and southern California, there’s four to six weeks after fire season before it starts to rain and flood. If we’re going to put anything in place that has a chance of controlling or mitigating the effects of water, we have to do it right away.”

After the Silver Fire, for example, the BAER team identified severely burned areas upstream of a community, campgrounds, and forest roads. Crews scattered barley seeds over 11,000 acres, dropped mulch on 800 acres, closed off some roads and storm-proofed others.

http://landsat.gsfc.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/LIL-2-Fire-4.pdf
Burning Wildlands and a Burning Need for Landsat | Laura E.P. Rocchio

(http://www.mygen.com/images/mtbs_1984_2010.jpg)

(http://www.mygen.com/images/ThePlanForUS.jpg)

Compared the burned out areas to the RE-Wilding areas !!!  

http://www.mtbs.gov/
Monitoring Trends in Burn Severity project

Monitoring Trends in Burn Severity (MTBS) is a multi-year project designed to consistently map the burn severity and perimeters of fires across all lands of the United States from 1984 and beyond. The data generated by MTBS will be used to identify national trends in burn severity, providing information necessary to monitor the effectiveness and effects of the National Fire Plan and Healthy Forests Restoration Act. MTBS is sponsored by the Wildland Fire Leadership Council (WFLC), a multi-agency oversight group responsible for implementing and coordinating the National Fire Plan and Federal Wildland Fire Management Policies. The project is conducted through a partnership between the U.S. Geological Survey National Center for Earth Resources Observation and Science (EROS) and the USDA Forest Service Remote Sensing Applications Center (RSAC).

The MTBS project objective is to provide consistent, 30 meter resolution burn severity data and fire perimeters that will serve four primary user groups:

1.National policies and policy makers such as the National Fire Plan and WFLC which require information about long-term trends in burn severity and recent burn severity impacts within vegetation types, fuel models, condition classes, and land management activities.

2.Field management units that benefit from mid to broad scale GIS-ready maps and data for pre- and post-fire assessment and monitoring. Field units that require finer scale burn severity data will also benefit from increased efficiency, reduced costs, and data consistency by starting with MTBS data.

3.Existing databases from other comparably scaled programs, such as Fire Regime and Condition Class (FRCC) within LANDFIRE, that will benefit from MTBS data for validation and updating of geospatial data sets.

4.Academic and agency research entities interested in fire severity data over significant geographic and temporal extents.

MTBS is similar to other image processing and analysis methods currently utilized by the USGS and USFS for existing post-fire burn severity mapping efforts. The USGS Landsat image archive provides a consistent and continuous source of 30 meter resolution data for mapping burn severity of all fires greater than 1000 acres in the west and 500 acres in the east.


http://www.forestsandrangelands.gov/leadership/index.shtml

The Wildland Fire Leadership Council (WFLC) was established in April 2002 by the Secretaries of Agriculture and the Interior to provide an intergovernmental committee to support the implementation and coordination of Federal Fire Management Policy. A Memorandum of Understanding (PDF, 1.6 MB) was signed in April 2010 by the Secretary of the Interior, Secretary of Agriculture, and Secretary of Homeland Security to authorize the continuation of the WFLC. The Council meets regularly to provide oversight and coordination of the Federal Wildland Fire Management Policy.

Mission

The Wildland Fire Leadership Council (Council) is an intergovernmental committee of Federal, state, tribal, county, and municipal government officials convened by the Secretaries of the Interior, Agriculture, and Homeland Security dedicated to consistent implementation of wildland fire policies, goals, and management activities. The Council provides strategic oversight to ensure policy coordination, accountability, and effective implementation of Federal Wildland Fire Management Policy and related long-term strategies to address wildfire preparedness and suppression, hazardous fuels reduction, landscape restoration and rehabilitation of the Nation's wildlands, and assistance to communities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9n98SXNGl8
Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 movie adaptation
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http://nationalatlas.gov/mld/firplnp.html

The National Fire Plan (NFP) was developed in August 2000, following a landmark wildland fire season, with the intent of actively responding to severe wildland fires while ensuring sufficient firefighting capacity for the future. The NFP provides technical, financial, and resource guidance and support for wildland fire management across the United States. The Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the Department of the Interior work together to implement the five key points addressed by the NFP: firefighting, rehabilitation, hazardous fuels reduction, community assistance, and accountability. Field offices of five Federal wildfire management agencies and bureaus, the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the Bureau of Land Management, the National Park Service, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and the USDA Forest Service, use the National Fire Plan Operations and Reporting System (NFPORS) to plan and report accomplishments funded by the NFP.

 An Introduction to the National Fire Plan
History, Structure, and Relevance to Communities

Prepared by:
Pinchot Institute for Conservation
1616 P Street, NW Suite 100
Washington, D.C. 20036
(202) 797-6580
www.pinchot.org
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 15, 2013, 02:23:52 PM
No this has nothing to do with agenda 21 - just move along ....

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/15/us/colorado-flooding/index.html
Suspected death toll rises from Colorado floods as nearly 500 unaccounted for
By David Simpson, Nick Valencia, Emma Lacey-Bordeaux, CNN
updated 1:42 PM EDT, Sun September 15, 2013

Boulder, Colorado (CNN) -- Rain was still coming down Sunday in Colorado, preventing aerial efforts to search for those missing from a devastating flood, authorities said.

"It's unlikely at this point that we'll be able to reach those who are stranded in the hard-to-reach areas," said Kim Kobel, a spokesperson for Boulder's Office of Emergency Management.

But rescuers continued their ground efforts, searching for what could be hundreds of people unaccounted for.

A tearful Larimer County Sheriff told reporters that what he's seen, even in the most devastated areas, has restored his hope.

Sheriff Justin Smith visited areas "somewhat cut off from the rest of the world," he said.

The roads and homes might be gone, but Smith said "inch by inch, mile by mile, community by community they are taking this stuff back."

Smith spoke of firefighters who pulled signs out of the mud and residents using their ATVs to rescue neighbors.

Still he couldn't begin to estimate the scope of the damage. "I've known these areas for 25 years," he said "I don't recognize some of them."
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Damage worth millions

Boulder County alone will need an estimated $150 million to repair 100 to 150 miles of roadway and 20 to 30 bridges, county transportation director George Gerstle said. The repair bill will be "10 to 15 times our annual budget," he said.

A helicopter surveillance mission Saturday carrying Hickenlooper and members of Colorado's congressional delegation was diverted twice to pick up people waving to be rescued.

After the officials' delayed arrival at a Boulder airport, U.S. Sen. Mark Udall promised a bipartisan push in Congress for federal aid for flood recovery.

President Barack Obama signed a major disaster declaration for Colorado on Sunday and ordered federal aid to supplement state and local recovery efforts in Boulder County.
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Two teens killed

The four confirmed deaths included a man and a woman, both 19, who were swept away after leaving their car Thursday in Boulder County. Authorities said the woman left the car first, and the man jumped out to try to save her. Authorities recovered both bodies.

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Oh Yosemite fire started with illegal cooking fire by hunter ....   


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/05/yosemite-wildfire-cause_n_3874394.html

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A gigantic wildfire in and around Yosemite National Park was caused by an illegal fire set by a hunter, the U.S. Forest Service said Thursday.

The agency said there is no indication the hunter was involved with illegal marijuana cultivation, which a local fire chief had speculated as the possible cause of the blaze.

No arrests have been made, and the hunter's name was being withheld pending further investigation, according to the Forest Service.

A Forest Service statement gave no details on how the illegal fire in a remote canyon of the Stanislaus National Forest had escaped the hunter's control on Aug. 17. Because of high fire danger across the region, the Forest Service had banned fires outside of developed camping areas more than a week before the fire started.

"We're not going to release any more information while the investigation is ongoing," said Ray Mooney, a spokesman for the U.S. Forest Service.

Investigators would not say whether the hunter had turned himself in, Mooney said. When the investigation is complete, the U.S. Department of Justice would decide whether to seek restitution.
...

California's largest fire on record, a 2003 blaze in the Cleveland National Forest east of San Diego, was sparked by a novice deer hunter who became lost and set a signal fire in hope of being rescued.

Sergio Martinez was sentenced to six months in a work-furlough program, 960 hours of community service and five years of probation in 2005.

The so-called Cedar Fire burned nearly 430 square miles, caused 15 deaths and destroyed more than 2,200 homes
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 16, 2013, 10:42:46 AM
more about Colorado fires and the resulting flooding - oh and most articles found will connect a dot to the boogey man "climate change" ie global warming/cooling whatever, just open your wallet :

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/09/130913-colorado-flood-boulder-climate-change-drought-fires/
Amid Drought, Explaining Colorado’s Extreme Floods

Flash floods in Boulder area may also have ties to fires and climate change.


Brian Clark Howard
National Geographic
Published September 14, 2013

This story is part of a special National Geographic News series on global water issues.

University of Colorado, Boulder law school professor Brad Udall has long written and lectured about water issues in the American West, but this week’s Colorado floods have brought the subject to his doorstep.
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U.S. President Barack Obama declared an emergency for Boulder, Larimer, and El Paso counties on Friday and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has deployed four rescue teams to the area, the most ever in the state.

Just as troubling as all the damage, Udall says, is that this week’s floods do not fit into the usual pattern of high water in the West.

The floods were not the result of springtime rains or intense summer thunderstorms that quickly dump large amounts of rain in concentrated areas, such as the 1976 Big Thompson or 1997 Fort Collins floods.

“This was a totally new type of event: an early fall widespread event during one of the driest months of the year,”
Udall said.

....

Drought tends to harden the soil, she said. When rains do come, less of the water can absorb into the ground, so it quickly runs off the land.

Similarly, fires can lead to worse flooding, because they remove vegetation that can slow down and trap rainfall, Postel said. (See “Fire and Rain: The One-Two Punch of Flooding After Blazes.”  

http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2011/08/31/fire-and-rain/
)

In 2012, the Boulder area was afflicted by the Flagstaff Fire. In 2010, the Fourmile Canyon fire caused damage to Boulder County worth $217 million.
...


http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/09/15/officials-say-nearly-19000-homes-damaged-destroyed-in-flooding/
Officials Say Nearly 19,000 Homes Damaged, Destroyed In Flooding
September 15, 2013 4:31 PM

DENVER (AP) – Colorado emergency management officials have released an initial estimate that says the ongoing flooding has damaged or destroyed nearly 19,000 homes.

The Colorado Office of Emergency Management estimated Sunday on its website that 17,494 homes have been damaged and 1,502 destroyed.

In addition, 11,700 people have been evacuated and a total of 1,253 people are unaccounted for.
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http://wildfiretoday.com/2013/06/21/map-of-active-fires-in-colorado-june-21-2013/
Map of active fires in Colorado, June 21, 2013
(http://wildfiretoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Map-of-Colorado-wildfires-June-21-2013.jpg)

On the map above showing the active wildfires in Colorado, the green dots represent fires that are not being fully suppressed, while the red dots are fires that ARE being fully suppressed. The base map, with the dots, was provided by the Rocky Mountain Coordination Center; we added the fire names and acres.


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http://thepeacemealproject.org/fireworksco_red_cross__fire_departments
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The Waldo Canyon Fire in Colorado Springs burned more than 29 square miles.  35,000 people were evacuated and approximately 346 homes were destroyed.  Two died in the fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldo_Canyon_fire
The Waldo Canyon fire was a forest fire that started approximately four miles (6.4 km) northwest of Colorado Springs, Colorado on June 23, 2012.

It was declared 100 percent contained on July 10, 2012 after no smoke plumes were visible on a small portion of the containment line on Blodgett Peak. The fire was active in the Pike National Forest and adjoining areas, covering a total of 18,247 acres (29 sq mi; 74 km2).[1] The fire had caused the evacuation of over 32,000 residents of Colorado Springs, Manitou Springs and Woodland Park, several small mountain communities along the southwestern side of Highway 24, and partial evacuation of the United States Air Force Academy.[3][4] Approximately 346 homes were destroyed by the fire.[5] U.S. Highway 24, a major east-west road, was closed in both directions.[6]

The Waldo Canyon Fire resulted in insurance claims totaling more than US $453.7 million.[7]

It was the most destructive fire in Colorado state history, as measured by the number of homes destroyed, until the Black Forest fire surpassed it almost a year later, consuming 511 homes and damaging 28 others

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Forest_fire
The Black Forest fire was a forest fire that began near Highway 83 and Shoup Road in Black Forest, Colorado around 1:00 p.m. on June 11, 2013. As of June 20, 2013, the fire was 100 percent contained, 14,280 acres (22.31 sq mi; 57.8 km2) were burned, at least 509 homes were said to be destroyed, and two people had died.[4]

This was the most destructive fire in the state's history, surpassing the 2012 Waldo Canyon Fire which also began near Colorado Springs. (Most of the Waldo Canyon blaze actually was in the city limits, while Black Forest is to the north of the city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Forest,_Colorado
Black Forest is a census-designated place (CDP) near Colorado Springs, Colorado, United States

http://global.christianpost.com/news/colorado-wildfires-2013-maps-updates-black-forest-fire-sparks-wider-evacuations-2-deaths-latest-info-video-photos-98030/

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The Black Forest fire has destroyed nearly 400 homes, making it the most destructive in Colorado history.



If you noticed in the previous post of wildfire mappings, you will notice that Alaska Has seen  a lot of fires ... why?  

http://www.alaskacenters.gov/fires-in-alaska.cfm
Fires in Alaska

Managing Fire in Alaska
 Wildfires in Alaska burn hundreds of thousands of acres every year. Although aggressive fire suppression is a high priority for all agencies, the management objectives for suppression have been modified to integrate resource-management goals with fire protection by the “Fire Protection Levels.” The primary reasons for this change are:

•At certain periods during a fire season, wildfires can be so widespread, numerous, or burning so hot that they cannot be put out easily.
Fire is a natural part of Alaska’s ecosystem. Many positive benefits of fire have been recognized.
•Fire-suppression efforts sometimes are more damaging than the wildfire.

For these reasons, Alaska’s state, federal, and private land managers got together in the late 1970s and developed a plan for cooperative fire fighting; The Alaska Interagency Fire Management Council.

 The plan recognizes that fire is a part of the natural environmental cycle as well as a potential destroyer of life, property, and resources. The plan divides the state into fire-suppression areas based on natural fire breaks and the objectives of land managers—because fire does not recognize political boundaries.

 The plan focuses fire-suppression near communities and valuable natural resources. In remote and unsettled areas, fires will be monitored to assure they do not burn unchecked toward areas where human life or development could be threatened. This cooperative plan is working well and has saved millions of local, state, and federal tax dollars.

Current Fire News
 Alaska Interagency Coordination Center - Current Alaska wildland fire information

AICC Current Fires Map - Imagery of current fires throughout Alaska


http://www.inciweb.org/state/2/
Tok Fire Information - current fire information for specific areas

http://www.nps.gov/akso/nature/fire/
National Park Service Fire Information - Current information about active fires in Alaska's national Parks

 For up to date information on summer fire conditions in Alaska, you can follow
 http://twitter.com/alaskanps
 
Current fires in Alaska:
http://afsmaps.blm.gov/imf_fire/imf.jsp?site=fire

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/alaskan-firenado_n_3786387.html
Alaskan 'Firenado' Forms As Part Of Huge Tetlin Junction Fire (VIDEO)
 The Huffington Post  |  By Ryan Grenoble        Posted: 08/20/2013 4:50 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh67J4TNPKE&feature=player_embedded

What's scarier than a sharknado? A firenado -- because it actually exists.

More accurately known as a "fire whirl" or sometimes a "fire tornado," footage of a particularly violent one in Alaska has caught the Internet's attention.

According to the video's uploader, Douglas Burts, the footage is of Alaska's Tetlin Junction Fire. The clip, captured on Aug. 16, was filmed from a plane window, around 1,900 feet above the blaze. A report filed the next day noted the fire's 5,000-acre plume had "tornado strength" winds and several fire whirls.

The fire is believed to have been started on June 25 by a lightning strike. As of Aug. 19, the Tetlin Junction Ridge Fire had grown to 76,548 acres in size and was 50 percent contained.
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 20, 2013, 09:30:26 PM
Oh yeah - the myth that fires are "good" for forests:

http://news.msn.com/us/harsh-yosemite-fire-aftermath-40-percent-of-land-nuked
Harsh Yosemite fire aftermath: 40 percent of land 'nuked'

Within the footprint of California's Rim Fire is an area of 60 square miles where everything is dead, the worst such burn damage in centuries.

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — A fire that raged in forest land in and around Yosemite National Park has left a contiguous barren moonscape in the Sierra Nevada mountains that experts say is larger than any burned in centuries.

The fire has consumed about 400 square miles, and within that footprint are a solid 60 square miles that burned so intensely that everything is dead, researchers said.

"In other words, it's nuked," said Jay Miller, senior wildland fire ecologist with the U.S. Forest Service. "If you asked most of the fire ecologists working in the Sierra Nevada, they would call this unprecedented."

Smaller pockets inside the fire's footprint also burned hot enough to wipe out trees and other vegetation.

In total, Miller estimates that almost 40 percent of the area inside the fire's boundary is nothing but charred land. Other areas that burned left trees scarred but alive.

Using satellite imagery, Miller created a map of the devastation in the wake of the third-largest wildfire in California history and the largest recorded in the Sierra Nevada.
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Some areas of the Stanislaus National Forest ravaged by the Rim Fire had not burned in 100 years. Most of the land that now resembles a moonscape burned on Aug. 21 and Aug. 22, when the fire jumped to canopies and was spreading the fastest.


http://pix.pressdemocrat.com/20130919/WIRE/130919447/story.jpg
Nearly 40 percent of Rim Fire land a moonscape

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In this September 2013 photo provided by the U.S. Forest Service, Brad Rust, a soils scientist from the Burned Area Emergency Response team assesses a burn area in the Rim Fire near Yosemite National Park, Calif. (AP Photo/U.S. Forest Service)
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: TahoeBlue September 21, 2013, 01:28:18 PM
http://ca.water.usgs.gov/news/2013/RimFire.html

California Water Science Center Takes Action to Mitigate Impacts of Rim Fire on Data Collection

One USGS streamgage has been destroyed, two others have been damaged and nearly a dozen others have been threatened since the first flames of Rim Fire - now the third largest wildfire in California history - began burning in and around Yosemite National Park in August.

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Data from streamgages are essential for a wide variety of uses, including decision making related to water supply, hydropower, flood control, forecasting floods and droughts, water quality, environmental and watershed management, research, navigation, fishing, and water based recreation.
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: TahoeBlue February 05, 2014, 12:50:12 PM
Problem - reaction - solution Agenda21:  

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/05/politics/obama-climate-hubs/
U.S. sets up 'climate hubs' to help rural communities affected by extreme weather
 By Faith Karimi, CNN

updated 3:01 AM EST, Wed February 5, 2014

(CNN) -- The Obama administration plans to announce Wednesday the creation of seven "climate hubs" to provide information to rural communities facing extreme weather conditions.

The hubs by the U .S. Department of Agriculture will provide scientific knowledge to help farmers, ranchers and landowners battle risks associated with climate change, including drought, floods, pests and fires.

"For generations, America's farmers, ranchers and forest landowners have innovated and adapted to challenges," Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said.

However, he said, rural communities face more complex challenges today because of climate change.

"USDA's climate hubs are part of our broad commitment to developing the next generation of climate solutions so that our agricultural leaders have the modern technologies and tools they need to adapt and succeed in the face of a changing climate," Vilsack said.

The hubs will be in Iowa, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oregon and New Mexico.

Additional sub-hubs will be set up in various other states, including Michigan and California.

Climate hubs will focus on regional issues, and will equip local communities with knowledge to help them adapt.

...
The hubs are part of a broader commitment by President Barack Obama to make climate change a priority.

Vilsack will introduce the hubs at the White House on Wednesday.

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oh you can't reclaim lumber from the fire on FEDERAL Land !!!  

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130929/A_NEWS/309290310/-1/a_news14
Salvage logging bill sparks controversy

By Dana M. Nichols
September 29, 2013 12:00 AM

SAN ANDREAS - Rep. Tom McClintock, R-Granite Bay, this week introduced a bill to speed salvage logging within the 400-square-mile burned area of the Rim Fire.

McClintock says the bill is needed because lawsuits by environmentalists or regulatory hurdles could otherwise delay such logging so long that the wood inside dead trees would no longer be usable.

At least one environmentalist, however, says he supports massive salvage logging.

John Buckley, executive director of Central Sierra Environmental Resource Center, says McClintock's bill could actually spark resistance to legitimate salvage logging because it contains provocative provisions that would allow logging within wilderness areas in Yosemite National Park.
...

McClintock's bill, HR3188, would exempt salvage logging operations within the fire area from administrative review and from being challenged with lawsuits. It would also waive such logging from being delayed or prevented by existing laws, including the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 and laws governing timber management for Yosemite National Park.

The Rim Fire, which started Aug. 17 and is still smoldering in remote areas between Hetch Hetchy Reservoir and Cherry Lake, is the largest wildfire in recorded history within the Sierra Nevada. It burned roughly a quarter of the Stanislaus National Forest as well as part of Yosemite National Park.

The Stanislaus National Forest is a significant source of logs, and the fire's damage represents a substantial loss of future timber supplies.

McClintock, however, says that as much as a billion board feet of timber could be salvaged if it is done within the next 18 months before insects and moisture degrade the wood in dead trees. "Moreover, revenues from the sale of salvage rights could be used to restore our ravaged forests and provide recovery assistance to cash-strapped local communities," McClintock said. "But this can't happen if salvage is indefinitely delayed by bureaucratic processes or the usual litigation filed by extremist environmental groups."
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Buckley said he supports "massive" salvage logging because it is important to remove the dead trees so that crews can plant new tree seedlings. That way the new trees can get a head start on brush and grasses that will otherwise choke out burned areas.

Co-sponsors of HR3188 include Congressman Jeff Denham, R-Turlock who represents southern San Joaquin County. The bill is scheduled to go to a
hearing before the House Natural Resources Committee on Thursday.


[ NOW THEY ARE RECLAIMING ON PRIVATE LAND !!!! ]  

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/11/17/lincoln-company-quickly-salvaging-lumber-from-rim-american-fires/
Lincoln Company Quickly Salvaging Lumber From Rim, American Fires
November 17, 2013 5:51 PM

LINCOLN (CBS13) – A Lincoln business is salvaging logs from two major California fires, and says getting to the trees early is the key to replanting them for the future.

Logging trucks are loading up at Sierra Pacific Industries following a fiery summer season.

“We had a couple large fires here in California: The Rim Fire and the American Fire,” said Mark Luster, a spokesperson with Sierra Pacific Industries.

The trees may be burnt, but are still very useful.

“These logs still have a good value if you can capture these within the first 18 months,” said Luster.

Any longer than that and the logs lose their worth, rotting and decaying. So Sierra Pacific Industries has moved in to salvage the remains.

“If you look at the center of the tree, you can see that wood fiber still looks pretty good,” said Luster.

The technique Sierra Pacific uses is called forest thinning.

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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: chris jones February 05, 2014, 02:21:15 PM
 Fire lanes, whatever happened to them.
 I spent some time in an area that was all needle pine, you couldn't find a leaf tree if your life depended on it.
 Pine lights up quick , so the rangers had fire lines cut, about a 40 yards wide or more, this was a serious safety measure in the event of forest fire.
 Is it possible to allow lumberjacks and small time wood cutters to use areas to be designated for fire lanes, let em make a buck and keep a  degree of safety with lanes, or am I off the map..
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: One Revelator February 05, 2014, 03:00:18 PM
Fire lanes, whatever happened to them.
 I spent some time in an area that was all needle pine, you couldn't find a leaf tree if your life depended on it.
 Pine lights up quick , so the rangers had fire lines cut, about a 40 yards wide or more, this was a serious safety measure in the event of forest fire.
 Is it possible to allow lumberjacks and small time wood cutters to use areas to be designated for fire lanes, let em make a buck and keep a  degree of safety with lanes, or am I off the map..

They'll doze them IF there's funding for it. The more fires that have been in the area, the more justification to request additional funding. I've seen it happen.
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: TahoeBlue March 19, 2014, 06:50:31 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/mar/19/california-drought-wildfires-danger
California officials prepare for worst as historic drought deepens wildfire risk

Severe lack of rain and sun-scorched earth means that when it comes to fire risks, California is now in a class of its own

The Guardian, Wednesday 19 March 2014 11.00 EDT
Suzanne Goldenberg in Auburn

California is facing wildfires "outside of any normal bounds" as a historic drought turns drying brush and trees into a perfect tinderbox, officials have warned. The state recorded 665 wildfires from 1 January, about three times the average of 225 for this time of year, according to figures compiled by Cal Fire, the state's department of forestry and fire protection.

Each day without heavy rain deepened the risks of a catastrophic fire season and made it hard to deal with more wildfires if and when they broke out, officials warned. John Laird, the secretary for natural resources, told the Guardian: "This is going to be a fire season outside any normal bounds. Anything could happen at any time."

Although the wildfire season does not officially start until May in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada, locals are adjusting to life on a year-round frontline.
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The Obama administration announced on Monday that it would set aside disaster funds for "mega-fires" across the western states which, like California, are experiencing drought. But local officials told reporters that when it came to fire risks California was now in a class of its own. It is as dry in the foothills and in southern California as during a typical July – the height of the fire season.

Many of the fires recorded up to 8 March were unusually big, roaring through up to 40 hectares a time. Some 3,000ha have been destroyed so far this year, compared with 2,000ha last year, which already ranked as a bad year for fire.

Even before this year's drought, forest officials were reporting a longer fire season, and more catastrophic mega-fires, in California and other western states. Half of the worst fires in recorded Californian history have occurred since 2002.
...
Climate change and land-use patterns are adding fuel to those fires. Higher temperatures, with recurring and intensifying droughts are drying out landscapes. Pest invasions, such as the pine bark beetle, have killed off stands of trees.
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: Geniocrat March 19, 2014, 07:12:09 PM
Build homes out of concrete and save on fire insurance.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue May 16, 2014, 04:39:12 PM
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fires-20140514-story.html#page=1
San Diego County fires: 'It's like a scene from Armageddon'
 May 14, 2014, 6:58 PM |Reporting from San Diego

Brush fires broke out in more than half a dozen spots in northern San Diego County and spread at a dangerous pace as hot, dry, erratic winds, backed by record temperatures, raked Southern California for a second day Wednesday.

“San Diego [County] residents are all too familiar with the destructive force of wildfires,” Jones said.

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: chris jones May 16, 2014, 04:53:09 PM
 Do explosives assist in stopping fires. Can fire lanes be inserted with explosives.
 I give it a yes, how about you folks.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue May 16, 2014, 05:12:39 PM
Do explosives assist in stopping fires. Can fire lanes be inserted with explosives.
 I give it a yes, how about you folks.

These guys saw this coming a mile away ,,, there should have been large pre built fire breaks around all the home areas BEFORE all this a happened ... I lived in S.Diego. ITS A DESERT ,,, they spend millions on fighting the fire and little to none on prevention.  These fires have happened before and they will happen again but no one needs to lose their home or their life.

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: chris jones May 16, 2014, 07:10:39 PM
 Hi T.
I tried digging  to back up the firelanes made with explosives. No luck, sorry.
 I know I heard of this long ago, suprised it's not mentioned by the safety commissions.         NO- Not realy!
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue May 16, 2014, 08:20:28 PM
Hi T.
I tried digging  to back up the firelanes made with explosives. No luck, sorry.
 I know I heard of this long ago, suprised it's not mentioned by the safety commissions.         NO- Not really!

You are correct - explosive are and have been used in firelines and breaks ...

http://www.fs.fed.us/eng/pubs/pdfpubs/pdf91512330.pdf

United States Department of Agriculture
Forest Service
September 1991


New Fireline Explosives
Jim Tour, Project Engineer

Four new fireline explosives products have been tested for use on prescribed burns and wildfires.
These tests were conducted by the Missoula Technology and Development Center and the Bureau of Mines
...

ETI Firebreak—A water gel det cord supplied in an 80-foot length on a wooden spool. Case
weight is 55 pounds; density is .60 pounds/foot. This product reliably initiates with a No.8 cap or
exploding Bridgewire Detonator (EBW) at 32oF and above.

IRECO Fireline 6000—A water gel det cord supplied in an 80-foot length on a wooden spool.
Case weight is 55 pounds; density is .60 pounds/foot. This product  reliably initiates with a No.8 cap or
an EBW down to 5oF.
,...

New products will continue to be tested as part of the National Fireline Explosives Program

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvdQBACVwHQ
Fireline Explosives
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: chris jones May 16, 2014, 09:26:00 PM
 Ever get the feeling upper management enjoys chaos?
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue May 23, 2014, 11:17:08 AM
Flagstaff fire: Again - they have shut down the rural timber industry in the west for 50 years and here we have the results another massive fire , this is after the Prescott fire last year that killed 19 firefighters .,..

Fifty years ago the areas of the North County San Diego fires had no homes built there. there were no roads or power or sewer or water to serve those yet to be communities , there really was no Carlsbad , there was just the navy town of Oceanside ... there are now 3-5 times the population in the area as there was fifty years ago (California ~16 million -> now 38 million ... ) (and I suspect most of these new people are foreign born )
 
 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/thousands-more-may-be-forced-to-evacuate-ahead-of-fast-growing-arizona-wildfire/

AP/May 22, 2014, 4:47 AM

Blaze forcing thousands to prepare to flee "going to do some damage"



Last Updated May 22, 2014 3:03 PM EDT

KACHINA VILLAGE, Ariz. -- A wildfire that started in a scenic canyon snaked toward Flagstaff on Thursday, prompting residents of outlying areas to prepare to flee and blanketing the city in smoke.

The human-caused Slide Fire started Tuesday and had burned 7.5 square miles in and around Oak Creek Canyon, a scenic recreation area along a highway between Sedona and Flagstaff.

"We have no containment reported whatsoever," Bill Morse, a Flagstaff Fire Department captain and a spokesman for firefighting managers, told CBS News. "When you take fuel, weather and topography, put them all together after the drought that we've had, it's fire season in Arizona, and this thing's going to push. It's going to do some damage."

...
There were no reports so far of injuries or structures burned.

The fire forced the evacuations of 100 threatened businesses and homes in a 2-mile stretch north of the state park, and 15 people stayed at a shelter in Flagstaff.

As the fire moved up the canyon's steep walls, it sent up large amounts of smoke and ash and created hazy conditions in Flagstaff, about 15 miles from the blaze.

The blaze presented several challenges for firefighters, including steep terrain, thick pine forest, gusting winds and the drought conditions, Morse said.

The fire comes less than a year after a blaze in nearby Prescott killed 19 firefighters who were part of a Hotshot crew.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/concern-rises-over-fast-growing-wildfire-outside-sedona-ariz/
Hundreds of firefighters pour into Ariz. to battle blaze
Last Updated May 21, 2014 4:19 PM EDT

OAK CREEK CANYON, Ariz. -- Hundreds of firefighters poured into Arizona on Wednesday to battle a wind-whipped wildfire burning in a rugged canyon between Sedona and Flagstaff, forcing the evacuation of resorts and campgrounds and sending choking plumes of smoke across the area.

About 200 firefighters and other personnel are already assigned to the fire, including five Hotshot crews, Coconino National Forest officials said Wednesday. An additional 15 Hotshot crews are on order, as well as 10 other firefighting crews and dozens of fire engines, officials said. A top-level fire management team was to take over command Wednesday afternoon.

The fire had blackened at least 850 acres on the western slope of the canyon by Wednesday morning, U.S. Forest Service spokesman Brady Smith told CBS Phoenix affiliate KPHO-TV.
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: chris jones May 23, 2014, 04:48:36 PM
 The military have publically admitted they can controll weather, why no rain?
 
 
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: TahoeBlue May 26, 2014, 01:26:20 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/25/us/alaska-funny-river-fire/
Residents urged to evacuate as fire spreads in Alaska wildlife refuge 
By Carma Hassan and Dave Alsup, CNN
updated 2:26 AM EDT, Mon May 26, 2014

(CNN) -- Authorities asked people to evacuate 1,000 structures near a wildfire in Alaska's Kenai National Wildlife Refuge on Sunday as the blaze spread.

The Funny River Fire has been raging for almost a week in Soldotna, south of Anchorage, growing to engulf 140,000 acres by Sunday afternoon. Now, fire officials are worried recreational cabins and second homes where residents and retirees are spending the holiday weekend may be at risk, said Michelle Weston with the Alaska Interagency Incident Management Team.
...

The containment was at 20% with 450 personnel fighting the blaze. The Air National Guard sent two helicopters to assist with water drops, in addition to the four helicopters performing aerial firefighting.
...



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/26/alaska-wildfire-grows-evacuations-1000-structures
Evacuations of 1,000 structures ordered as Alaska wildfire grows

Massive Alaska fire covers nearly 243 square miles
• Arizona firefighting effort makes big gains over weekend

Associated Press in Anchorage, Alaska
theguardian.com, Monday 26 May 2014 10.50 EDT   

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The massive fire in Alaska's Kenai Peninsula covered nearly 243 square miles and was 30% contained, according to a posting Sunday night on the Alaska Interagency Incident Management Team's Facebook page. It was burning in the 1.9-million-acre Kenai National Wildlife Refuge.
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Wildfires in Alaska's remote areas are not unusual during the summer months, with an average of a million acres burned each fire season, Weston said.



http://www.alaskadispatch.com/article/20140525/residents-evacuated-amid-tense-day-battling-raging-funny-river-wildfire
Residents evacuated amid tense day battling raging Funny River wildfire
Nathaniel Herz|
May 25, 2014
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: TahoeBlue June 09, 2014, 02:37:41 PM
[ there is a Agenda21 need to shut down the rural economies ... ]  

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/06/us-usa-mushrooms-california-idUSKBN0EH1IM20140606
Wild mushrooms entice smugglers to fire-ravaged California forest
By Mary Papenfuss
GROVELAND Calif. Fri Jun 6, 2014 10:48am EDT

 (Reuters) - Smugglers in northern California’s fire-ravaged Stanislaus National Forest are sneaking out pricey contraband - not marijuana this time, but a favorite delicacy of foodies: the luscious morel mushroom. 

Despite a record “flush,” or bloom, of the tasty, wild fungi, mushroom hunters are banned from the forest because officials believe that scorched, unstable tree trunks, eroded soil and logging operations after last August’s massive Rim Fire have made the area too dangerous.

That means as much as $40 million in a bumper crop of morels — ironically sparked by the same fire that is blocking hunters — is rotting in the woods west of Yosemite Park.

“It’s a shame to let those morels go to waste,” said Curt Haney, president of the San Francisco Mycological Association, who doesn’t believe conditions are any more dangerous than in other, less productive, burn areas where gatherers have access
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http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/pageburner/blogs/post?oid=13275947
Morel mushroom hunters banned from prime multimillion-dollar bounty near Rim fire site
Apr 21, 2014

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by Alastair Bland

One of the largest wildfires in state history swept the western Sierra Nevada last summer. The blaze burned for two months, devoured 257,000 acres of forest and destroyed at least 11 homes.

The Rim fire also primed the region for a potentially massive uprising of morel mushrooms. These finger-sized, wrinkly headed delicacies grow in the springtime, and they sprout most prolifically in regions where fires have burned the previous summer. Mushroom hunters know this and, every April, they swarm into burned woodlands, baskets in hand, as they reap the bounty that rises from the ashes.

But this spring, there will be no such foraging bonanza in the Stanislaus National Forest, some three hours southeast of Sacramento. The U.S. Forest Service has closed the Rim fire zone to the public, and morels hunters are in dismay.

Forest Service officials are naming safety as the reason for the closure. Dead, burned trees, they say, are liable to drop branches and pine cones onto foragers and other hikers. Even those accessing the area by vehicle are at risk of being crushed by falling trees, they claim.

“Hazardous trees are lining the roadways,” said Rebecca Garcia, public affairs officer with the Stanislaus National Forest.

Other large areas that experienced forest fires last summer have been opened to the public—such as the large American fire area in the Tahoe National Forest. But Garcia explained that the Rim fire zone has remained closed because of the especially high temperatures at which this particular fire burned. The extreme heat left each standing tree at a higher-than-usual risk of falling and injuring hikers and drivers, according to Garcia.

Mushroom hunters are not convinced.

“We’ve hunted morels in areas identical to the Rim fire, where the burn was just as hot, and we’ve never had problems,” said Curt Haney, president of the Mycological Society of San Francisco.

Also baffling to mushroom hunters is the fact that 77,000 acres burned by the Rim fire within Yosemite National Park were opened to the public several weeks ago.

“So if it’s safe there, why not outside the park?” Haney said.

...

How real the dangers of hiking in burned forests are is a matter of ongoing debate. Donald Hughes, a mushroom-hunting enthusiast in Oakland, says he has hunted morels in a dozen or more fresh burn zones. One gets covered in soot and ash, he said.

“But I’ve never heard of anyone getting hurt,” Hughes said.

Haney, in fact, claims it has never happened. In an April 3 letter to Susan Skalski, the forest supervisor of the Stanislaus National Forest, Haney wrote, “There is no reported case of any member of the general public sustaining an injury while hiking or pursuing recreational activities in a burn zone, whether or not related to mycological activities.”

....


Morels are among the most valued of edible mushrooms. A variety of morel species occur worldwide, with nations in Europe especially prizing the earthy-tasting, meaty-textured fungus. Across the United States, annual morel festivals and group collecting outings reflect the huge popularity of this particular mushroom, which may retail for more than $40 per pound.
,,,

“There should be about $23 million, wholesale, of morels in that [closed portion of the] burn,” he said.
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: TahoeBlue July 21, 2014, 02:03:30 PM
[ just keep staring at the MH17 disaster ,,,, ]  

http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2014/jul/21/washington-wildfires-leave-destruction-pictures
After the flames: Washington wildfires leave behind destruction – in pictures

Firefighters in Washington state have spent a week battling wildfires that have covered more than 370 square miles (958 sq km), but favourable weather is expected to bring cooler temperatures and lighter winds. As firefighters gain control of the flames, residents are returning to find destruction in their wake

theguardian.com, Monday 21 July 2014 12.31 EDT

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Burnt vehicles are pictured after much of the area was consumed near Methow. Although the weather is improving, the towns in the scenic Methow Valley remain without power and have limited landline and cellphone service. Photograph: David Ryder/Reuters
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue July 27, 2014, 04:23:24 PM
Gee ya think Cali has the water to support more millions from south of the no border?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/27/wildfire-northern-california-destroys-10-homes
Wildfire destroys 10 homes in northern California

• Sand Fire burns 3,800 acres and forces hundreds to evacuate
• Separate fire near Yosemite gains strength

Associated Press in Plymouth, California
theguardian.com, Sunday 27 July 2014 12.58 EDT   

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Firefighters in northern California were on Sunday battling a wildfire that has destroyed 10 homes and forced hundreds of evacuations in the Sierra Nevada foothills, while a fire near Yosemite grew significantly overnight.

Fire officials said the Sand Fire had burned about 3,800 acres in Amador and El Dorado counties since Friday. A CalFire spokeswoman, Lynne Tolmachoff, said the fire continued to threaten hundreds of homes east of Sacramento.

Authorities have evacuated about 500 homes and closed roads near Plymouth in Amador County's wine-growing region.

Tolmachoff said the fire could grow again as firefighters brace for high wind and triple-digit heat.

Meanwhile, a wildfire that began on Saturday reached 2,100 acres, destroying one home in a small community outside Yosemite National Park. Park Ranger Scott Gediman said no others were immediately threatened.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 19, 2014, 08:19:21 PM
Tahoe Summit - They Finally say UNCLE and sign to allow Logging in Lake Tahoe Basin - Admit there policies have FAILED !!! ( as planned)
( It's bad for business if Tahoe turns into a burnt match stick and they are still pushing for a future winter Olympics! )

But what about the rest of the wests forests? Are they all to fall into decay and unrelenting fires?
 


http://www.rgj.com/picture-gallery/news/2014/08/19/tahoe-summit/14312439/

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Calif. Congressman Tom McClintock, right, addresses the Tahoe Summit at the Tallac Historical site Tuesday Aug. 19, 2014 whild Nev. Sen. Harry Reid stops to chat.  Marilyn Newton/RGJ
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/officials-say-lake-tahoe-imperiled-wildfires
Posted August 19, 2014 - 2:14pmUpdated August 19, 2014 - 4:11pm
Officials say Lake Tahoe imperiled by wildfires

By DON THOMPSON
ASSOCIATED PRESS


SOUTH LAKE TAHOE, Calif. — Lake Tahoe, a crown jewel of the western landscape, is being challenged by drought, invasive species, the threat of catastrophic wildfire and climate change, officials said Tuesday.

The warning came during an annual summit about protecting the iconic lake that straddles the California-Nevada border. The meeting brought unusual bipartisan consensus among federal lawmakers that more logging should play a role in reducing the fire danger.

Those in attendance said decades of suppressing wildfires, no matter how remote, has left many forests too thick with trees, leading to disease and stoking high-intensity wildfires.

“The policy of the last 30 years has failed and failed miserably,” said Republican Rep. Tom McClintock of California. He told more than 300 participants that money from logging could help forest improvements.

Democratic U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, who convened the 18th annual summit, agreed in a later interview that there are too many regulations preventing the removal of dead, dying and overcrowded trees before and after wildfires strike. She recalled that what were grassy alpine meadows when she first visited the lake more than 70 years ago are now dense forests.

Feinstein and other U.S. senators in both states are pushing legislation that would provide an additional $415 million in federal money to fight invasive species, wildfires and reduce erosion that clouds the lake.

Meanwhile, federal and state officials from both states and both political parties signed a proclamation at the summit backing timber reduction and wildfire prevention efforts near Lake Tahoe.

Governors Jerry Brown of California and Brian Sandoval of Nevada, U.S. Sens. Harry Reid and Dean Heller of Nevada, and Barbara Boxer of California signed the proclamation, as did U.S. Rep. Mark Amodei of Nevada.

Several said the region learned lessons in fire prevention after a wind-driven wildfire destroyed more than 250 homes on the south shore of Lake Tahoe five years ago.

U.S. Rep. John Garamendi, a Democrat from California, was not among the proclamation signers. He said in an interview that logging can play a role, though it is not the panacea suggested by McClintock. He faulted Republican leaders in the U.S. House for blocking a proposal to keep spending federal money on forest improvement programs instead of diverting the funds to pay for suppressing the rampant wildfires that are sweeping much of the West after three years of drought.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 19, 2014, 10:47:21 PM
Again - since they shut down the timber industry here in the 70's , they have left the forests to be burned away ...
oh and Agenda21 - thousands of people have been burned out of their homes...
(a lot of these homes have no fire insurance because of the locations.... )


 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/19/-sp-california-wildfires-climate-change
California's burning up: firefighters rush to the scene as major wildfires scorch the state

Eldorado national forest erupts in flames, prompting governor Jerry Brown to declare a state of emergency – with the prospect of more fires to come during California’s hot, dry autumn
In pictures: California wildfire leaves destruction in its wake
You tell us: how have wildfires have changed your life?

California is burning up. More than three years into a record drought, the state has become a tinderbox, and a single spark can be enough to burn ancient forests, coastal chaparral and any houses that stand in the way.

Just this week, a popular stretch of the Eldorado national forest, halfway between Sacramento and Lake Tahoe, erupted in flames. The fire, apparently started by an arsonist and fanned by high winds, ripped through more than 70,000 acres in three days, causing California’s governor, Jerry Brown, to declare a state of emergency.

More than 4,000 firefighters have rushed to the scene from around the country deploying planes, helicopters and hundreds of thousands of gallons of water and fire retardant.

...

People are constantly launching stealth cities, new communities within wild lands, which often have no mayor, no governance, no public services, yet on the weekends may attract 150,000 people,” he said. “Fire experts talk about creating firebreaks, but people don’t want their land modified


[ yeah right = the forest service won't let them do S.... ]

(http://i.guim.co.uk/w-700/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/9/18/1411051448564/07f727ff-648a-45e0-b297-c3f51a5fad1e-1020x612.jpeg)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue October 06, 2014, 12:14:09 PM
[ After the disaster in reflection - oh they were wrong .... ]  

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/10/04/experts-thinning-forests-could-help-increase-ground-water-supply/
Experts: Thinning Forests Could Help Increase Ground Water Supply
October 4, 2014 12:32 AM

TUOLUMNE COUNTY (CBS13) – Officials with the U.S. Forest Service say there are too many trees in the Sierra, creating a major fire hazard and sucking up much-needed water.

Some researchers say cutting down more trees could help ease California’s water problems
...

“This is a forest that is a product of the fire-suppression policies that have been imposed by the federal government over the past 100 years. It’s very dense,” he said.

[ they have suppressed the timber industry for over 50 years  and not allowed thinning ... ] so yeah fire suppression was a primary concern.   

You can see the difference between a forest cleared of extra trees and brush and a plot that hasn’t been touched in nearly a century. Bales and his team estimate thinning Sierra forests could provide 10 to 20 percent additional runoff — more water for us.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue July 01, 2015, 10:38:57 AM
2015 new fires - Washington - Alaska - California ....

http://www.businessinsider.com/fires-in-alaska-have-scientists-worried-2015-6
Fires are spreading like crazy in Alaska and scientists are concerned
Alex Lockie

So far in June, Alaska has seen 391 wildfires, with 152 of these starting up on the weekend of June 21-22, totaling more than 1.1 million acres of scorched earth,
according to the Alaska Division of Forestry (DOF).

Alaska is no stranger to wildfires. The Alaska Division of Air Quality reports that in 2004, the state saw 701 fires which consumed more than 6.5 million acres of land, but they are on track to break that record before long

Alaska DOF official, Tim Mowry, told NBC News that the fires were caused by a relatively dry spring which left plains vulnerable to ignition via lightning, but what was unusual was the volume and variety of the fires.

"We have almost 300 fires going right now," said Mowry.

https://twitter.com/AK_Forestry/status/613538891694354432/photo/1
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIO6XtPUMAAZpdY.jpg)


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/fires-in-alaska-have-scientists-worried-2015-6#ixzz3eeQr3ev4



http://www.statesville.com/news/us/ap/ammonia-leak-no-longer-a-threat-from-washington-fire/image_90d03cde-2fcc-5426-9355-736d940d5bdc.html
(http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/statesville.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/9/0d/90d03cde-2fcc-5426-9355-736d940d5bdc/559179a13a2a4.image.jpg)


In this Sunday, June 28, 2015 photo provided by The Wenatchee World, a Douglas County firefighter sprays down the back of a home in Wenatchee, Wash., trying to protect it from burning embers flying off of a neighboring house on fire. A wildfire fueled by high temperatures and strong winds roared into the central Washington neighborhood, destroying properties and forcing residents of several hundred homes to flee, authorities said Monday. (Don Seabrook/The Wenatchee World via AP)



http://news.yahoo.com/hundreds-told-evacuate-because-central-washington-fire-062349708.html#
'Mind blowing' flames destroy homes in Washington state
By DONNA BLANKINSHIP
June 30, 2015 4:25 AM

WENATCHEE, Wash. (AP) — From just across the Wenatchee River, Dominick Bonny watched a whole neighborhood in his central Washington town burn as a wildfire destroyed two dozen homes and forced hundreds to flee.


"With the wind blowing away from us, it was like we were watching a natural disaster within arm's reach," he said.

Wildfires hit parts of central and eastern Washington over the weekend as the state is struggling with a severe drought. Mountain snowpack is at extremely low levels, and about one-fifth of the state's rivers and streams are at record low levels

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California Lake Fire:
http://www.geologyin.com/2015/06/lake-fire-in-california-burns-over.html

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xj23cOt2hFA/VYVOpHy_-RI/AAAAAAAAFe4/NrMz36na-iI/s1600/Lake%2BFire%2Bin%2BCalifornia%2Bburns%2Bover%2B11%252C000%2Bacres.jpg)

The Lake Fire located in San Bernardino National Forest was reported just before 4:00 p.m. on June 17. The cause of the fire is still under investigation. It is approximately 11,000 acres in size and burning in timber. It is currently 10 percent contained. There are approximately 150 structures threatened, however no structures are believed to be damaged or destroyed at this time. Big Bear High School faculty and students had to relocate their graduation ceremony due to the fire's proximity.

Read more at http://www.geologyin.com/2015/06/lake-fire-in-california-burns-over.html#0px4m5lTR4OGbxGx.99
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc July 01, 2015, 10:55:47 AM
^^^^^^^

  That is an incredible picture of Alaska with it's 391 fires in June.

  IMO it is HAARP and them trying to divert radiation from Fukushima with chemtrails, etc. that helped cause this mess.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue July 01, 2015, 11:07:47 AM
^^^^^^^
  That is an incredible picture of Alaska with it's 391 fires in June.
  IMO it is HAARP and them trying to divert radiation from Fukushima with chemtrails, etc. that helped cause this mess.

Whatever is going on the Jet stream in the west and USA has been completely disturbed from normal . I haven't really seen any articles talking about how strange it is now and how it has disrupted the weather  across the USA ...  This seems tro have started up back in 2008 ( same time as the economic collapse! and Fukashima) :

https://sciencenotes.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/weather-jet-stream/
Weather: jet stream
April 28, 2008
— monado 

The jet stream these days is all over the place: very high, very low, and very swooshy. (That’s a technical term I just made up.) All this movement means that all of us are experiencing unusual weather. Above the line it tends to be cool, below warm

(https://sciencenotes.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/weather-2008-04-28-currentfronts.jpg)


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Take a look at this now in 2015 - totally strange :

http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/hurricanes2018/4336?gallery=
(http://icons.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/h/hurricanes2018/4336-800.jpg)

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here we go NOAA:
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/synoptic/201501
Synoptic Discussion - January 2015
Note: This Synoptic Discussion describes recent weather events and climate anomalies in relation to the phenomena that cause the weather. These phenomena include the jet stream, fronts and low pressure systems that bring precipitation, high pressure systems that bring dry weather, and the mechanisms which control these features — such as El Niño, La Niña, and other oceanic and atmospheric drivers (PNA, NAO, AO, and others). The report may contain more technical language than other components of the State of the Climate series.

(http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/sotc/drought/2015/01/dwm500-20150101-20150131.gif)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: larsonstdoc July 01, 2015, 11:25:41 AM
^^^^^

  Looks swooshy to me.

  They need to stop all this weather modification and let God take care of the weather---BUT THEY WON'T.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 01, 2015, 05:00:07 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/01/wildfires-prompt-brown-declare-state-emergency-calif/30981035/
Wildfires prompt Brown to declare state of emergency in Calif.
Doug Stanglin and Jessica Guynn, USA TODAY 4:26 p.m. EDT August 1, 2015

Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency for all of California
in the wake of wildfires that killed one firefighter and drove hundreds of people from their homes.

California's record drought, now in its fourth year, has "turned much of the state into a tinderbox," he said.

The emergency declaration, which included the activation of the California National Guard, will speed up help for thousands of firefighters, Brown said Friday.

Nearly 9,000 firefighters were battling 24 large wildfires in California on Saturday, according to state Department of Forestry and Fire Protection spokesman Daniel Berlant.
...

http://www.fire.ca.gov/general/firemaps.php
(http://www.mygen.com/images/calfire_08_01_15.jpg)

http://www.garden4us.com/picsrtnq/map-california-wildfires
(http://www.gearthblog.com/images/images1007/californiafires.jpg)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 21, 2015, 12:08:28 PM
bump
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 21, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/western-wildfires/scores-giant-fires-threaten-overwhelm-western-crews-n412731
Three Firefighters Killed in Washington as Wildfires Spread Across West
by M. Alex Johnson, Richie Duchon and Jacob Rascon
Western Wildfires
Aug 20 2015, 7:43 am ET


Three firefighters were killed and four others injured in central Washington Wednesday battling one of the more than 100 wildfires burning across at least 1.1 million acres in the West, authorities told NBC News.

The fatalities occurred when winds shifted unexpectedly near the towns of Twisp and Winthrop and turned back on crews fighting a small new fire, Okanogan County Sheriff Frank Rogers said.

"It was a hellstorm up here," Rogers told KXLY-TV. "The fire was racing and the winds were blowing in every direction."

...

White House spokesman Eric Schultz said President Barack Obama had been briefed on the situation. "On behalf of a grateful nation, the president's thoughts and prayers are with the families of these brave Americans," he said.
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http://elkodaily.com/news/dozens-of-wildfires-burning-across-west/article_d0ce65df-ccad-51ad-be06-8a4f55d8bf7b.html

(http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/elkodaily.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/2f/42fe4089-0e4d-593a-8b4d-d2da2576df54/55d1fccf49daa.image.jpg)

August 17, 2015 7:30 am  •  KEITH RIDLER Associated Press
BOISE (AP) -- Wildfires have destroyed 42 homes and at least 79 outbuildings in northern Idaho near the town of Kamiah
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 21, 2015, 01:01:28 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-military-national-guard-join-western-firefighters-2015-8
Military, National Guard join Western firefighters
Nicholas K. Geranios and Ted S. Warren, Associated Press
 Aug. 19, 2015, 4:23 AM

CHELAN, Wash. (AP) — National Guard troops used shovels and axes to dig fire lines as they joined hundreds of people fighting huge, destructive fires near this central Washington resort town.

The guard units working in Washington Tuesday were part of a massive response to blazes burning unchecked throughout the West.

The situation is so urgent that the National Interagency Fire Center in Boise this week called in 200 active-duty military troops to help contain roughly 95 wildfires. It's the first time since 2006 that the agency has mobilized soldiers for fire-suppression.

...
"The military has been activated. We have National Guard here to help us out," Allen said, adding that Canada loaned resources, too, and authorities were also talking to New Zealand and Australia.


read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ap-military-national-guard-join-western-firefighters-2015-8#ixzz3jTCyb6m0

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http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2015/08/20/soldiers-deploying-support-firefighters-west/32079863/
Soldiers deploying to support firefighters in the West
By Ezra Kaplan, Special to Army Times 8:12 p.m. EDT August 20, 2015

Soldiers are being deployed to help fight wildfires in the West for the first time since 2006, the Pentagon announced Thursday.

“The Army doesn’t have firefighters,” said spokesman Lt. Col. Joe Buccino. “But the Army has soldiers that can do things in noncombat roles.”

On Sunday, about 200 active-duty soldiers from the 17th Field Artillery Brigade, 7th Infantry Division at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Washington, will begin fighting the Tower Fire, located north of Spokane. The soldiers will assist the firefighters by taking care of places where the fire has gone out and helping to create firebreaks.

The 17th Field Artillery Brigade was identified for this role in April and has spent the summer training to fight wildfires.

With approximately 95 large wildfires burning 1.1 million acres across the western United States, 2015 is on course to be one of the worst fire seasons on record.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: egypt August 21, 2015, 02:38:44 PM

I am in the thick of the Idaho fires.    It is miserable with the smoke, all night, and day-after-day.  It is no fun waiting to see if we need to evacuate.  Friends of ours have been evacuated, one family forceably.  Year-before-last there was a fire nearby that burned 2 million acres.

Last night, finally, they worked on the fire during the night.  This was the first time for night work.  Equipment has been received, making it possible, from:

Alaska
British Columbia (Canada
Australia
New Zealand

The local efforts in Contractors being trained wasn't enough.  Prisoners are used, too.   I know they worked on it last night because I heard the helicopters flying overhead.  I can't help but notice the fires correspond to the Agenda 21 "re-wilding" map. 

Northern Idaho is solid red, right where the fires are concentrated.

____________________________________________________________________________________
(http://i.imgur.com/baNun5g.jpg)
Black Arrow was placed by me
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One of America's greatest resources (timber) is being systematically destroyed.  No place to self-subsist should it be needed.  Caches are possibly destroyed.  The chemicals used ruin the land.  Smoke inhalation causes lung diseases and conditions that kill (speeded-up eugenics of large populations?)

I remember when there were zero forest fires to speak of.  A wild blaze of any kind was a rarity.  And, they were put out quickly.   The following movies on chemtrailing may have part of the reason for all the fires:

What in the world are they spraying &
Why in the world are they spraying

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com



: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 22, 2015, 11:56:45 AM
right how many spotted owls have survived the 1 million acres burned? where will they live now ?

Since they shut down the logging for over 40 years now ... there are no logging roads into these areas so there are no logging roads or road firebreaks , no easy access in or out ( so more guys get killed by the firestorm)...
No where in these stories do they point out that the BLM / forest service practices are all wrong for half a century !

They never point out the source of the problem, the government policies .... look at previous posts about the spotted owl ...


http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/wildfires/2015/08/21/evacuation-okanogan-area-tonasket-fire-rages/32103005/
Wildfires evacuate more towns in Okanogan County
OKANOGAN, Wash. – Many towns remained under an evacuation order as raging wildfires continued their advance through Okanogan County Friday evening and Saturday morning.

...

Obama signs emergency declaration for Washington wildfires

Earlier Friday, Pres. Barack Obama signed an emergency declaration, ordering federal aid to assist in battling Washington state's wildfires.

The White House says the declaration allows FEMA to coordinate disaster relief efforts. The order specifically covers Asotin, Chelan, Douglas, Ferry, Klickitat, Okanogan, Pend Orielle, Skamania, Spokane, Stevens, and Yakima counties. It also brings aid to the Colville, Spokane, Kalispel, and Yakima tribes.

The news comes none too soon as firefighting resources are being stretched thin. National guard soldiers were headed to the fire lines Friday and, for the first time in state history, volunteers are being asked to fight the fires. Washington officials say more than 3,000 people have called and emailed in response to the state's request for volunteer help with wildfires.

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/3f2ae29932e690eb74b57096026fe6b9ae513ec5/r=x1443&c=1920x1440/http/cdn.tegna-tv.com/-mm-/f9672c0682fed738415152bcbb7a1e86b2888475/c=242-0-1678-1080/local/-/media/2015/08/21/NWGroup/KING/635757774766904214-Frifire8.JPG)

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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/western-wildfires/forest-service-identifies-three-firefighters-killed-washington-blaze-n413436
Three Firefighters Killed in Washington Blaze Identified
by M. Alex Johnson

The U.S. Forest Service on Thursday identified the three firefighters who were killed battling a fast-growing wildfire in Washington state as Tom Zbyszewski, 20, Andrew Zajac, 26, and Richard Wheeler, 31.

The men, all members of an engine crew from Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest in central Washington, died Wednesday after their vehicle crashed and was overtaken by flames near the town of Twisp. The fire spread quickly and erratically, driven by wind and feeding on drought-parched land, the agency said.

more history: Logging and timber industry is now 25 percent of what (on federal lands) it was in 1980's:

http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=5319
U.S. Forest Service protects the northern spotted owl by limiting timber sales on August 7, 1986.
By David Wilma, February 28, 2003

On August 7, 1986, the U.S. Forest Service acts to protect the northern spotted owl (Strix occidentalis caurina ) from decline and extinction by limiting timber sales in mature portions of National Forests, which the animals need to live. The immediate impact is outcry from the forest products industry and from environmentalists.  The industry complains that the measure goes too far and will cost thousands of jobs, and environmentalists claim that not enough is being done to protect the species.

This is one in a long series of governmental actions and court decisions that will result in a reduction of more than 75 percent of the timber harvested annually from public lands.

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: egypt August 23, 2015, 06:44:21 PM
The fires and the smoke are worse than ever.  We are planning to leave the area.   The question is, where?  Maybe the coast somewhere.   The smoke is so thick we can't see even 1/4 mile.  There are warnings to stay inside and not go out.  It doesn't do much good, the smoke comes in.

Many are in danger.  Stories coming in about the members of our Church:

A man "heard" the fire and ran out to look.  It was in a place it had already been put out.  But, the smoldering timbers re-ignited.  He saw it and quickly ran and got the family.  Two of the horses were in the trailer.  One was acting up so he had it by the reins, holding it outside the truck window, as he was driving away.  It was too late.  The horse's tail caught fire, the tires blew out, the fire was upon them.  They all survived.  It was a miracle.

Our lady friend evacuated with a few precious things in her car.  She was told to leave, all was going to be lost.  But, two firemen refused to leave.  Those two firemen and the neighbors fought the fire all night and saved her home... 



: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: donnay August 23, 2015, 07:25:12 PM
Egypt, stay safe.  I'll keep you in my prayers.

This morning I saw this headline: "UN Seen Starting Fires In North Central Washington."  I believe it was in Before it's News.  However, I cannot find it now.    :(

However, it would not surprise me one bit.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: decemberfellow August 23, 2015, 07:47:28 PM
Egypt, stay safe.  I'll keep you in my prayers.

This morning I saw this headline: "UN Seen Starting Fires In North Central Washington."  I believe it was in Before it's News.  However, I cannot find it now.    :(

However, it would not surprise me one bit.

found this:   UN Seen Starting Fires In North Central Washington - Godlike ...
 

www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2935654/pg1  (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2935654/pg1)
 
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: donnay August 23, 2015, 07:52:12 PM
found this:   UN Seen Starting Fires In North Central Washington - Godlike ...
 

www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2935654/pg1  (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2935654/pg1)

Thanks DF!  I knew I wasn't imagining it.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: egypt August 24, 2015, 02:59:47 AM
Thank you so much DF.. appreciate the link and your good wishes
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: windyacres August 24, 2015, 03:06:05 AM
Man's cement-dome home withstands wildfire

(http://raycomgroup.images.worldnow.com/images/8636837_G.jpg)

OMAK, WA (KXLY/CNN) - The Okanogan County complex fire is now more than 227,000 acres in size. Fire crews don’t know how many homes have been destroyed.
Almost 1,000 firefighters are working to get a handle on the fire, which is now 38 percent contained.

One man rode out the firestorm in the comfort of his living room, even as a wall of flames 20 feet high marched right around him.

“The fire was at this draw right here,” said John Belles. “We didn’t have time to do much of anything. The fire was like 30 yards or so to the north of me when I decided to go into the building.”

Belles built his concrete, monolithic dome in 1999 after he bought property near Riverside.

It’s designed to withstand Mother Nature’s fury, and that’s exactly what it did as he rode out the firestorm inside.

"I didn’t know how it was going to work out, but I figured I was safe inside the building. It was cool and well protected with the concrete and everything,” he said.

As the fire passed, Belles watched flames rip across the windows.

Read more -

http://raycomgroup.worldnow.com/story/29859029/mans-cement-dome-home-withstands-wildfire



: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: egypt August 24, 2015, 03:13:32 AM
I just don't doubt it one bit the forest fires are being set on purpose.  Yes it is a hot summer, as usual.  But, the hype is out there that it is *unusually dry.*  Personally, I haven't agreed with the hype.  And, if you look at the fires on the map, many are small, and almost in a pattern.

They are destroying vast timberland resources, in advance.  They had to mow down vast jungles of their vegetation with Agent Orange in Viet Nam.  I guess they mean it when they want to drive the rural population to the cities...  Burn them out!

They are playing the trumpet game too.  I heard a trumpet sound 3 times this morning.  Others hadn't heard it, so of course, it isn't true.  Other trumpet sounds on the internet have a telling sign that they are being played over loud speakers via a microphone = there is distinct feedback to be heard.  However, the trumpet this morning sounded very beautiful, not like the ones on the internet.  I didn't hear any proclamations with it though  :)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: donnay August 24, 2015, 10:27:11 AM
I have no doubt that this is part of Agenda 21. 

Please keep safe--everyone in these areas.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 24, 2015, 10:51:32 AM
http://www.pe.com/articles/fire-777844-resort-area.html
BIG BEAR LAKE: Summit fire forces 400 to evacuate, schools to close
Firefighters hoped to continue gaining ground overnight

(http://images.onset.freedom.com/pressenterprise/gallery/ntk8dx-04.fire.0823.jag19681239.jpg)
BY RICHARD BROOKS   / STAFF WRITER
Published: Aug. 23, 2015 Updated: Aug. 24, 2015 7:31 a.m.

A 100-acre brush and timber fire prompted the evacuation of about 400 homes south of Big Bear Lake on Sunday, Aug. 23, and the cancellation of classes for Big Bear Valley Unified School District schools on Monday.
 
The fire began at 12:25 p.m. Sunday near two forest service roads, about a mile west of Snow Summit Mountain Resort and a half-mile south of Big Bear Elementary School. Flames burning through trees in the San Bernardino National Forest sent up a huge plume of smoke.
 
As of 10:20 p.m., the fire had burned 100 acres -- with no growth since about 5:30 -- and crews had dug containment lines around 30 percent of the perimeter. There was no estimate on when the fire would be fully contained.
...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-northwest-fires-prompt-air-advisory-colorado-33279201
The Latest: Fire Near California Ski Resort Threatens Homes
Aug 24, 2015, 9:17 AM ET
...
Evacuation orders are in place for up to 500 homes, many of them cabins and vacation houses.

All schools within the Bear Valley Unified School District are closed Monday. Several mountain roads are off-limits.
...

7:05 a.m. (MDT)

A wildfire smoke health advisory has been issued through 9 a.m. for northeastern Colorado.

The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment issued the warning for east of the Continental Divide and north of Interstate 70.

Officials cite haze and smoke from Pacific Northwest, where more than a dozen large wildfires are burning across central and eastern Washington state.

The department recommends limiting outdoor activity when moderate to heavy smoke is present, especially for vulnerable groups.

Cities affected by the advisory include Denver, Fort Collins, Greeley, Golden, Littleton, Brighton, Limon, Burlington, Fort Morgan, Sterling and Julesburg
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http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/fires/article31703897.html
Huge Northern California blaze burns lodge, threatens camp
August 21, 2015
FRESNO, Calif.  —

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A wildfire burned a lodge in Kings Canyon National Park in California, the first structure the huge blaze has burned in the three weeks since lightning sparked it.

Pieces of foundation, charred metal pipes, broken dishes and a burned-out pickup truck were all that remained of the Kings Canyon lodge, which bills itself as a folksy getaway for tourists, the Fresno Bee Reported on Friday night.

The wildfire had burned across 65 square miles and was just 3 percent contained as it was bearing down on the popular recreation spot Hume Lake in the national park, officials said.

The blaze led to the evacuation of more than 2,500 campers, hikers, employees and residents earlier in the week. The Hume Lake Christian Camp has been evacuated as the fire moved closer, but the camp community worried for their cherished space
...
The lodge had been evacuated Monday and no one was injured.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/fires/article31703897.html#storylink=cpy

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 24, 2015, 11:01:44 AM
reference web sites:

http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/

also:

http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/

http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/data/lg_fire/lg_fire_nifc_2015-08-24.pdf

(http://www.mygen.com/images/wildfire_20150824.jpg)
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: donnay August 24, 2015, 09:19:50 PM
I am posting this because I got an email from a very trusted friend who lives in the area who said Republic, Washington wasn't even in the danger zone of the fires.  They said lots of very screwy things going on the area.  The trusted friend said: "Republic isn't in the danger zone of these fires!  and there had been no lightening (dry lightening) storms...and the evacuation got underway really really fast there in Republic , Washington!"  So this information would back up the story below a little better.  I have no doubt that this type stuff is happening and I trust what my friend has told me.

UN Seen Starting Fires in North Central Washington

Saturday, August 22, 2015

I just received a report from an eye witness that watched a White Colored UN Helicopter land on a mountain near Republic Washington and 2 men got out and started a brush fire.

This eye witness (Infantry Veteran) also sighted another odd looking aircraft fire a light beam into the woods and a forest fire erupted shortly afterwards.

These reports are spot on when it comes to location of the fires and is identical to reports of other fires starting across Washington State I have received.

Basically: These fires are being started by US and UN aircraft.

Washington State is under attack by the United Nations and United States Corporation and since the US Nationals Forests currently belong to the government of China, they are technically AT WAR with China and thus (According to the original and 2nd treaties signed) at war with the entire “BRICS Set Of Nations.”

Please remember that the UN Lucifer Trust folks stated several times in the last two months they intend to “Turn up the Heat.”

I have a personal friend who makes a very inexpensive Non-Toxic Biodegradable product that you can spray on either grass or trees that prevents them from burning and he was told to “Stay The HELL Away From Us:” by the Washington State Department of Natural Resources Procurement Officer.

They want you dead.

One last note – I studied Fire Weather Behavior at UC Berkeley and fought fires in Forestry for 7 years with my last assignment as the Commander of an Army Reserve Fire Camp.

Until about three years ago, ALL fire weather was completely predictable.

With all the spraying by the 60th Air wing out of Fairchild Air Force Base, the 9/10th Air wing out of Omaha and Evergreen Aviation, the fires will now get very hot very fast and there is little prospect for rain.

If the Governor of Washington had any guts, he would shoot down the planes starting the fires, buy the product to stop the fires, and force down the jets spraying chemicals to block the rain.

If he had any guts – and was not a flaming coward.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/08/un-seen-starting-fires-in-north-central-washington-3203236.html
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: egypt August 31, 2015, 09:26:52 PM
donnay:

The map really shows how they concentrated the fires in Norther Idaho where the Agenda 21 map shows solid red where no people are allowed... "Core Reserves & Corridors, Little to No Human Use."

Why do they specify "human" for use, or not?  If I were a human writing the above, I'd say Little to no use. 
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: donnay August 31, 2015, 09:58:57 PM
donnay:

The map really shows how they concentrated the fires in Norther Idaho where the Agenda 21 map shows solid red where no people are allowed... "Core Reserves & Corridors, Little to No Human Use."

Why do they specify "human" for use, or not?  If I were a human writing the above, I'd say Little to no use.

Good point. 

Have you left you area? 

My friend wrote this to me this morning:

"The local news didn't mention wind raged all the way over to the west side of the state where just outside of Seattle they had 90 MPH winds causing havoc.  Yep 90 MPH,  massive power outages over on the west side of the state with trees coming down."

Keeping you all in my prayers.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: jerryweaver September 01, 2015, 01:14:14 AM
I at the south edge of camp roberts and helicopter traffic tonight  is nonstop. Very unusual. It's usually quiet.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 12, 2015, 08:50:22 PM
Now that kids are going back to school ... evacuate ! Now ! Remember  no school unless you get your shots!  And now we'll teach you to be a good Global Citizen Slave with Rotten to the Common Core textbooks! Thanx Obama... 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/western-wildfires/northern-california-butte-fire-explodes-100-square-miles-n426361

(http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/components/video/150911/nc_fire_latest_150911.nbcnews-ux-1080-600.jpg)

Northern California Butte Fire Explodes to 100 Square Miles as Residents Evacuate
Sep 12 2015, 3:29 pm
by Elisha Fieldstadt

An explosive and erratic wildfire grew to more than 100 square miles in Northern California on Saturday, threatening thousands of structures and forcing hundreds of people into evacuation centers.

The so-called Butte Fire, burning in Calaveras and Amador counties, began Wednesday, scorching only 100 acres. But the flames kept up their momentum overnight Friday, ballooning from 32,000 acres to 65,000 acres by Saturday morning, said Dan Berlant, of the California Department of Fire and Forestry Protection, or Cal Fire.

The 2,700 residents of San Andreas, about 60 miles southeast of Sacramento, were placed under mandatory evacuation orders on Friday night before the fire switched directions and the order was lifted. But they were warned that they may need to leave at a moment's notice depending on the fire's trajectory.

Hundreds of people from other surrounding communities were ordered to flee their homes and quickly filled up evacuation centers, one of which had to change locations twice as the fire's path zigzagged.

,...

White told NBC News that the areas surrounding the Butte Fire are even "dark in the day, with lights on."

"Reminded me of an eclipse when it gets dark," White said.


: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 13, 2015, 08:36:11 PM
now Middletown s gone ... The Valley fire  Lake county ... now 60 square miles ...

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-wildfires-thousand-flee-firefighters-battle-blazes-n426531
California Wildfires: Thousands Flee as Valley and Butte Blazes Force Evacuations
by Elisha Fieldstadt and Matthew Grimson
Sep 13 2015, 7:55 pm ET

Hundreds of buildings have been lost to a fast-moving Northern wildfire that had forced thousands to flee Sunday, and hospitalized four firefighters with second-degree burns.

The so-called Valley Fire in Lake County, northwest of Sacramento, erupted early Saturday afternoon and rapidly burned through brush and trees parched from several years of drought, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection (Cal Fire).

The fire spread quickly, growing from 50 acres to 400 acres just before 4 p.m. (7 p.m. ET) Saturday, to 40,000 acres at 1:30 a.m. (4:30am ET) Sunday. Entire towns as well as residents along a 35-mile stretch of highway were ordered to flee their homes.
...

Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency in Lake County Sunday, less than 24 hours after the fire sparked, and Cal Fire called all personnel to report to duty, canceling any previously scheduled days off. One thousand firefighters were dedicated to battling the Valley blaze as of Sunday morning, and Berlant said more were on the way.

Twelve wildfires are raging across California, prompting the National Weather Service issued air quality alerts for a large swath of the middle of the state. "If you live anywhere in northern California, expect to see smoke," Berlant said
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: windyacres September 14, 2015, 04:57:07 PM
Thanks for posting the California fire info.  I know exactly
where the San Andreas fire is and it is very dry there in the
lower elevation of the foothills!  If more fires break out across
the USA in "The Foothill"  locations as foothills are more populated
then Agenda-21  is being activated, to burn everyone out of the "hills"
and down into the cities where they're more easily controlled....
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 14, 2015, 06:09:05 PM
http://www.fire.ca.gov/general/firemaps.php

(http://www.mygen.com/images/Calfire_09142015.jpg)

http://www.kcra.com/news/50acre-fire-in-lake-county-prompts-mandatory-evacuations/35242778
1 killed, hundreds of homes destroyed in Valley Fire
Cobb, Middletown, Hidden Valley Lake evacuated
UPDATED 10:18 PM PDT Sep 13, 2015

MIDDLETOWN, Calif. (KCRA) —One person has been killed and up to 1,000 homes and buildings have been destroyed by a fast-moving wildfire burning in Lake County, according to the Associated Press.
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: windyacres September 16, 2015, 03:54:29 PM
Still no word about what caused the San Andreas fire
from the email I got today from a friend near there and
to say it's dry in that area is an understatement.   If it
spreads, or they start more fires around Angels Camp
then it'll be very suspicious, more then it already is.
If it starts burning up Highway 4  into all those small towns
and they let it get out of control around the 4,000 foot elevation
(Before the town of Arnold heading to Bear Valley ski resort)
there will be no way of stopping the fire in that heavily pine treed area.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: windyacres September 23, 2015, 03:39:13 PM
One of the big fires in Washington State is now confirmed Arson -

http://www.khq.com/story/30026126/fire-officials-carpenter-road-fire-determined-to-be-intentionally-set

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 24, 2015, 04:55:08 PM
http://www.capradio.org/articles/2015/09/21/valley-and-butte-wildfires-among-most-damaging-in-california-history/
Valley And Butte Wildfires Among Most Damaging In California History
Ed Joyce 
Monday, September 21, 2015 | Sacramento, CA

The Valley Fire in Lake County is 75 percent contained at 76,067 acres Tuesday.

Cal Fire says 1,901 structures were destroyed in the fire, many of them in Middletown, making the Valley Fire the third most damaging wildfire in California history
- based on the number of structures burned.

The Butte Fire in Amador and Calaveras counties is 80 percent contained at nearly 71,000 acres.

It has destroyed 952 structures, making it the seventh most damaging fire in state history.

The Tunnel Fire in the Oakland hills in 1991 is the most damaging in California history. It burned 1,600 acres, destroyed 2,900 structures and killed 25 people
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(http://www.capradio.org/media/5251769/092115-cal-fire-20-most-damaging-fires_799x622.jpg)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue June 24, 2016, 01:56:43 PM
Here we go again ... nothing like NWO Agenda21 weather warfare ...

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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WESTERN_WILDFIRES_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-06-24-13-38-52
Jun 24, 1:38 PM EDT
 Real-time wildfire tracker.
   Wildfires Consume L.A. Homes
   Pasadena Wildfire Forces More Evacuations 
   Wildfire Mentors Aid Victims

   
Headlines
 
The Latest: California wildfire explodes to 29 square miles
 Flames roar through central California homes; thousands flee


Agency enlists high-tech help keeping drones from wildfires

LAKE ISABELLA, Calif. (AP) -- The Latest on wildfires burning in the West (all times local):

10:40 a.m.

A wind-whipped wildfire burning among mountain communities in California's southern Sierra Nevada has ballooned to more than 29 square miles.

The latest measurement at midmorning Friday is more than double the previous estimate.

About 100 buildings around the popular recreation area of Lake Isabella have been destroyed, including 80 homes, since the blaze erupted Thursday afternoon and sent residents fleeing.

 Fire authorities say an additional 1,500 structures are threatened.

Six hundred firefighters are battling the blaze about 35 miles northeast of Bakersfield and hundreds more are on their way
.

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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue July 17, 2016, 01:54:40 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3694384/High-temperatures-form-dangerous-heat-dome-country-braces-massive-coast-coast-heatwave.html
Coast-to-coast 100F heatwave could form dangerous 'heat dome' over most of the US and bring MORE unbearable temperatures
Massive heatwave could cause 'heat dome' over most of the US
Forecasters warned temperatures could be some of season's hottest
Weather officials also predict heat index will reach the dangerous category
Planted corn fields in the Midwest have been known to boost dew points, which can lead to high heat index values, according to weather experts
Deadly conditions could occur and some could suffer from heat exhaustion and heat stroke as temperatures rise throughout the week 
Most of the country will hit temperatures in at least the low 80s
The worst-hit point will be Arizona, which could hit 116 degrees on Friday
Thursday will be the worst day for the Midwest and Western states

By Valerie Edwards and James Wilkinson For Dailymail.com

Published: 10:11 EST, 17 July 2016  | Updated: 11:28 EST, 17 July 2016


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3694384/High-temperatures-form-dangerous-heat-dome-country-braces-massive-coast-coast-heatwave.html#ixzz4EgpGStHI
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: TahoeBlue July 25, 2016, 11:40:51 AM
Here it is ... Sand Fire - Santa Clarita ca.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Santa-clarita-sand-fire-containment-raging-updates-evacuations-388098982.html
Firefighters Battle 'Almost Unprecedented' 51-Square-Mile Wildfire
The Sand fire north of Los Angeles has burned 18 homes and threatens about 1,500 more
By Staff and Wire Reports

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Thousands of residents remained out of their homes Monday morning as the 51-square-mile Sand Fire continued to burn in Southern California's Santa Clarita Valley.

"This fire, what we've seen in 72 hours, is almost unprecedented," said Los Angeles County Fire Department Battalion Chief Dennis Cross. "We'd have to go back a long way to compare a fire to this. And, we're not through with this thing yet."


Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Santa-clarita-sand-fire-containment-raging-updates-evacuations-388098982.html#ixzz4FR3flEm8
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue July 30, 2016, 11:06:47 AM
Althogh this and the Monterey fire are the only major western fires right now ... the fall is just upon us.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/cities-in-southern-california-cant-escape-the-fire-at-their-door/
Cities In Southern California Can’t Escape The Fire At Their Door
Jul 29, 2016 at
By Ella Koeze

Southern California is on fire again. The Sand fire in the Santa Clarita Valley mountains north of Los Angeles has burned 38,873 acres, destroyed at least 18 homes and taken one life. Smoke from the fire created what the LA Times referred to as an “apocalyptic haze” around Los Angeles County and a scorch mark it left behind was clearly visible in images from NASA’s Landsat satellite. On Tuesday, the acting governor of California, Tom Torlakson, declared a state of emergency in the county, declaring that the fire is “likely to be beyond the control of the services, personnel, equipment and facilities of any single local government.”

What distinguishes the Sand fire isn’t its size — there are at least 500-odd fires that have been larger in the last 15 years — but its size given its location. The fire has burned at least 59 square miles, and breached the city limits of Santa Clarita, a city with nearly 180,000 people. In Southern California, this type of urban-adjacent wildfire is all too common.

Though the majority of the land scorched in the Sand fire is public and less developed, flames have also spilled into the “wildland-urban interface” (or WUI), which is “where houses meet or intermingle with wildland vegetation,” in the phrasing of the Forest Service.
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The Sand fire is one of the largest fires in such close proximity to a city in the past 15 years.
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To find the culprit for California’s fires, says Forest Service Chief Tom Tidwell, who began his career fighting wildfires in Idaho, look no farther than the historic drought impacting the state: “If you look at the map of where drought is most intense,” he says, “it often overlaps with where you have these catastrophic fires.” Most of Los Angeles County is currently in a zone of “exceptional drought,” according to the U.S. Drought Monitor.
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http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-soberanes-fire-central-california-20160728-snap-story.html

Deadly Soberanes fire on Central Coast forces 350 residents to flee, destroys 44 structures
By Veronica Rocha
July 28, 2016, 1:55 PM

Southern California’s deadly Sand fire was largely under control Thursday, but a massive wildfire burning north of Big Sur has grown to more than 27,000 acres and destroyed 44 structures, fire officials said.

The Soberanes fire, which has burned out of control for days and claimed one life, has occupied more than 3,500 firefighters and is now just 10% contained, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. To date, the fire has scorched 27,326 acres
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The fire, which started Friday in Soberanes Creek, is still threatening 2,000 homes and has forced at least 350 residents to flee. The fire has prompted the closure of six state parks along the Central Coast through Aug. 6, and all trails and roads in the Monterey District of Los Padres National Forest, Cal Fire said.

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The sweeping flames overtook Robert Bresnick, 67, who was evacuating with his girlfriend and pets. He was discovered dead about 7:20 p.m. Saturday inside a burned car in a driveway outside a home in the 26700 block of Iron Canyon Road.

The deadly fires prompted acting Gov. Tom Torlakson on Tuesday to declare a state of emergency for Los Angeles and Monterey counties.

The fire danger will remain elevated as high temperatures, gusty winds and low humidity persist through Thursday statewide, according to the National Weather Service.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 17, 2016, 03:00:19 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3744390/Fast-moving-Southern-California-wildfire-forces-evacuations.html
82,000 evacuated and 18,000 acres torched to the ground: State of emergency declared in southern California over terrifying wildfire
Officials ordered evacuations Tuesday as fire rapidly engulfed the area called the Cajon Pass
The so-called Bluecut Fire erupted in heavy brush just west of Interstate 15, the main freeway between Las Vegas and the Los Angeles area
The inferno prompted orders for residents of the community of Wrightwood, about 75 miles east of Los Angeles, to leave their homes
This is the latest in a series of wildfires that have blackened nearly 300,000 acres of the U.S. West

By Reuters

Published: 23:20 EST, 16 August 2016  | Updated: 08:32 EST, 17 August 2016

 Authorities in southern California ordered the evacuation of 82,000 people on Tuesday after a wildfire broke out in a mountain pass and rapidly engulfed at least 18,000 acres of terrain.

Officials said about 700 firefighters were battling to control the blaze in an area called the Cajon Pass, the latest in a series of wildfires that have blackened nearly 300,000 acres of the drought-parched U.S. West

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Thriving communities in California have been reduced to scenes of horror, houses turned to ashes and cars melted

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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: Geolibertarian August 17, 2016, 03:43:21 PM
Is it reasonable to assume that the carbonazis who automatically blame plant food (http://www.populartechnology.net/2008/11/carbon-dioxide-co2-is-not-pollution.html) whenever a disaster like this occurs want desperately for the following article (and all others like it) to be flushed down the memory hole?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/western-wildfires/arson-growing-concern-during-california-wildfire-season-n390561 (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/western-wildfires/arson-growing-concern-during-california-wildfire-season-n390561)

'Heinous Act': Arson Blamed for One in Five California Wildfires

by Hallie Jackson
NBC News
July 11, 2015

Blame California's historic drought, extreme heat and Santa Ana winds for spreading wildfires faster than ever — but the blazes don't begin by themselves.

It takes a spark to set them, and in California last year, more than 1,000 wildfires were started intentionally. Since 2007, one in every five state wildfires was deemed arson, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection.

But investigators like Jennifer Ricci are helping to hunt down the culprits.

"We investigate all fires, and arson is one potential cause of many," said Ricci, adding, "There has to be an ignition source. That's our job — to figure out that ignition source."

[Continued... (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/western-wildfires/arson-growing-concern-during-california-wildfire-season-n390561)]
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue August 18, 2016, 11:36:40 AM
wow ... at least soon there will be nothing in California left to burn ...


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-blue-cut-fire-20160816-snap-story.html
Homes burn, thousands flee as out-of-control brush fire chars more than 31,000 acres in Cajon Pass
Paloma Esquivel, Angel Jennings, Shane Newell

The aggressive fire in the Cajon Pass grew to 31,600 acres on Thursday as flames ripped through canyons and flatlands and reduced homes to ash and rubble.

...

The flames have left even veteran firefighters bewildered.

“It hit hard, it hit fast — it hit with an intensity that we haven’t seen before,” San Bernardino County Fire Chief Mark Hartwig said.

...
More than 80,000 people in the county’s rural communities have been forced to flee. An unknown number of homes were destroyed

...

Summit Inn, a historic diner along Route 66 once frequented by Elvis Presley, had become indistinguishable rubble. Charred skeletons of buildings and cars dotted the area. A cargo train sat idle on tracks, abandoned by its engineer.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jSWK4rOI4Cc/hqdefault.jpg)

(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8649001.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Summit-Inn.jpg)

A spokesman for the U.S. Forest Service said assessment teams and cadaver dogs would be sent to homes and structures along Highway 138.

“The fire came so quickly,” said Chon Bribiescas. “We want to make sure nobody was left behind.”

...
In addition to Lytle Creek,  Lone Pine Canyon, Wrightwood and Swarthout Canyon, mandatory evacuations were ordered for Baldy Mesa, Old Cajon Road and West Cajon Valley, fire officials said.

The northbound lanes of the 15 Freeway through the Cajon Pass reopened late Wednesday, according to the California Highway Patro
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: egypt October 04, 2016, 02:01:07 AM
I am wondering.  Is this a Monsanto operation.  Burn down the forests and then there's money to be made with reforestation using IMPROVED seed.  Just what is up here? wow
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It's the only seedling available for Idaho = Pine, Western White
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4.  At the bottom "Results" come up.  Chose "Post Details" at the end of that line.

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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue November 29, 2016, 02:41:48 PM
its weird - I haven't posted on this but it seems they are doing to the east  what they did to the west ( nothing left to burn there now ! )

This is not the first east coast wildfire ....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3980932/Gaitlinburg-burns-Wildfire-sweeps-Tennessee-resort-town-population-4-000-s-Dollywood-residents-evacuate.html

'It's the apocalypse': Thousands forced to flee resort Tennessee towns as massive wildfire destroys homes and hotels and threatens Dollywood
More than 14,000 people have been forced to evacuate from resort towns of Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge
Officials say 100 homes have been destroyed or damaged, as there's 'little hope' for relief anytime soon
Four people suffered severe burns trying to evacuate and are hospitalized as no deaths have been reported
Westgate Resorts, a 16-story hotel and every cabin at Black Bear Falls is believed to have been destroyed
Schools in Green, McMinn and Sevier counties will are closed, and more than 12,000 people in Sevier County were without power as of early Tuesday morning
Dollywood was evacuated and tourists fled the area as wildfires ripped through Eastern Tennessee Monday
In a statement, Dolly Parton said: 'I am praying for all the families affected by the fire and the firefighters who are working so hard to keep everyone safe' 
Terrifying video shot from the Gatlinburg Park Vista Hilton Hotel shows flames just outside the windows

By Hannah Parry For Dailymail.com  and Regina F. Graham For Dailymail.com 

Published: 00:00 EST, 29 November 2016  | Updated: 14:26 EST, 29 November 2016


Spreading Tennessee wildfires in the resort towns of Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge have forced more than 14,000 people to evacuate as officials say the blaze has caused the area to resemble the 'apocalypse.' 

Thousands of residents and visitors in the Gatlinburg area were evacuated from the Great Smoky Mountains, and hundreds of structures have been damaged and destroyed by the fire which is the worse to hit the area in decades as of Tuesday morning. 
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http://www.wbir.com/news/local/gatlinburg-neighborhood-voluntarily-evacuating-due-to-fire/357115866
TEMA: Hundreds of structures destroyed by Sevier County inferno

GATLINBURG - 9:30 a.m. Tuesday UPDATE:  Officials estimate more than 14,000 residents and visitors had to evacuate Gatlinburg due to an inferno in Sevier County.

Crews are also getting their first look at damage estimates.

As of 9:30 a.m., here was the latest update from the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency:
• Hundreds of structures lost due to Sevier county wildfire
• Westgate Resorts, Black Bear Falls completely destroyed
• 14,000 residents and visitors evacuated from Gatlinburg
• Ober Gatlinburg says its property has NOT been destroyed, contrary to TEMA report.

The Red Cross is accepting monetary donations. People can make a $10 donation by texting "REDCROSS" to 90999.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/11/20/forest-fires-burn-119000-acres-8-southeastern-states/94169774/
Forest fires burn 119,000 acres in 8 Southeastern states
USA Today NetworkSteve Ahillen, Knoxville (Tenn.) News Sentinel 4:17 p.m. EST November 20, 2016

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. — Forest fires that have burned more than 119,000 acres in eight states and have people from Asheville to Atlanta smelling smoke continue to rage through most of the Southeast.

More than 6,300 firefighters, some from as far as Alaska, are fighting fires that range from just a few acres to one in the Cohutta Wilderness in northern Georgia that has burned 27,000. That fire has burned more than a month and is just 20 percent contained.

A total of 74 aircraft, including Black Hawk helicopters and BAE tanker jets, have been used.

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The center’s Dave Martin said he can’t be sure if the extent of the fires is unprecedented, but it is the biggest he can remember.

“It has been quite a while since we had had this number of large fires at this many locations,” he said. “The last time it was comparable was in 2001 and even then it wasn’t this busy.”

States that have been dealing with fires are Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, West Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and Alabama. The fires taken together are even starting to rival the mammoth blazes of the west. The Big Sur fire in late July burned around 132,000 acres.
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Again ARSON has occurred:

https://weather.com/news/news/southeast-wildfires
Southeast Wildfires: Aspiring Weatherman Arrested on Arson Charges After Admitting to Starting Fire to Gain Facebook Views
By Pam Wright
Published Nov 14 2016


With little to no rain in recent weeks and prolonged drought conditions affecting much of the Southeast, hundreds of wildfires have broken out across the region, prompting evacuations and sending up a blanket of smoke that covers several states.

Many of the fires are the result of arson, officials say, and three people have been arrested thus far, according to the Associated Press.

Police in eastern Kentucky say they have arrested a man described as a "wannabe meteorologist" who deliberately set a wildfire in an attempt to garner a larger Facebook following. Johnny Mullins, 21 of Jenkins, Kentucky, faces a charge of second-degree arson for a blaze in Letcher County, Jenkins Police Chief James Stephens told the AP.

"(Mullins) likes to do Facebook videos and have people follow him on his 'weather forecast,'" Jenkins Police Chief James Stephens told the AP. "So that's pretty much why he did what he did. He enjoyed the attention he got from the Facebook stuff."


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Another unidentified teen was also arrested on suspicion of arson in Harlan, Kentucky, and a man was charged in Tennessee with setting fires and vandalism that caused more than $250,000 in damage outside Chattanooga.

According to the Courier-Journal, at least 150 of 210 wildfires — or 76 percent — that have broken out since October in Kentucky are arson-related, the Kentucky Energy and Environmental Cabinet reported.

The blazes have prompted officials in Tennessee, North Carolina and Kentucky to declare states of emergency.

More than 5,000 firefighters and support staff from around the nation have poured into the Southeast to help fight the fires, according to Shardul Raval, U.S. Forest Service Director of Fire and Aviation Management for the Southern Region. About 40 aircraft, including three large air tankers flying out of Chattanooga, have been brought in. 


: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue November 30, 2016, 12:38:11 PM
NWO / UN Agenda 21 attacks Dolly Parton:

http://www.breitbart.com/news/dolly-parton-heartbroken-by-wildfires-torching-her-hometown/
Dolly Parton heartbroken by wildfires torching her hometown
by AP 29 Nov 2016

ATLANTA (AP) — Country music icon Dolly Parton says she’s heartbroken about wildfires that tore through the Tennessee county where she grew up but spared the Dollywood theme park that bears her name.

In a statement released Tuesday by her publicists, Parton said she’s been watching the “terrible fires” in the Great Smoky Mountains. At least 14,000 people have been forced to evacuate the tourist area of Gatlinburg, Tennessee. Three people were killed in the wildfires, and more than a dozen others were injured, authorities said.

“I am praying for all the families affected by the fire and the firefighters who are working so hard to keep everyone safe,” she said.

In a video released just hours before the wildfires engulfed Gatlinburg and areas around Pigeon Forge, Parton urged people to prevent forest fires.

Parton appears with Smokey Bear in the 30-second video released Sunday by Great Smoky Mountains National Park. She tells people to avoid burning leaves and parking vehicles on dry grass, and warns that even a campfire can spark a wildfire.

Dollywood officials said the theme park itself wasn’t damaged but more than a dozen cabins operated by the park were damaged or destroyed by the wildfires.
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue July 11, 2017, 01:45:10 PM
Oh here we go again ... amid record snow ( 100 year records !) / rain fall !  .

massive forest  fires ? who is setting them ? hmmm
... hmmm ... 


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-new-wildfires-20170709-story.html

Raging wildfires across California force nearly 8,000 to evacuate: 'It was terrifying'

Javier Panzar and Matt HamiltonContact Reporters

With a heat wave continuing to bake California and the rest of the West, wildfires forced nearly 8,000 people to dash for safety Sunday as flames destroyed homes and threatened thousands of structures across the state.

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A car and house near Oroville, Calif., are engulfed in flames by the Wall fire on Saturday. (Josh Edelson / AFP/Getty Images)

About 35 miles to the south in Santa Barbara County, more than 3,500 people have fled the Whittier fire near Lake Cachuma, which was burning just north of Goleta
. The blaze scorched just over 12 square miles and burned 20 structures on both sides of Highway 154, according to officials with Los Padres National Forest.

That fire, which started about 2 p.m. Saturday, initially trapped some 80 campers at the Circle V Ranch Camp. But U.S. Forest Service firefighters reached the group later that day, said Capt. Dave Zaniboni of the Santa Barbara County Fire Department.
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: Peerless July 12, 2017, 06:47:39 PM
I lived in California from 1969-1990...

the amount of record rain/snow last season means about squat when related to fires IMO...that just fills up the lakes, causes issues when snow pack melts, etc...

hot/dry weather dries things up rather quickly when you get away from the waters...

not to say that this couldn't be arson/conspiracy/etc...but, when a fire gets going, it spreads easily through dry underbrush and when the heat is intense enough it will literally blow trees up.  sure, a healthy tree is capable of surviving some fires, but not all.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: egypt July 12, 2017, 09:08:09 PM

It seems to me the fires are set on purpose.  It's an act of war to burn up millions of acres at a time.  The forests are part of America's fantastic resources.  People could live out there.  Caches are buried out there.  They're hiding other-country military in groups out there.

That year of 2015, men were observed jumping out of the white helicopters, setting the fire and jumping back in to go do it again in another spot in Washington.  Reported orally here locally, a couple saw a landed helicopter leaving as a fire started.

I discovered that aluminum-resistant seed is available for pine trees from Monsanto.  Also, aluminum-resistant seedlings can be purchased and are being created for re-treeing burned areas.  Monsanto must be making at least $billions over these fires.

Those involved and perpetrating, setting the fires need to be held accountable for High Crimes Against Humanity.

Also, a commercial-grade ozone maker helped us here at home in clearing out the smoke inside, and making so we could breathe.  Now, I still use it to freshen up the air inside our home.

love, e

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue July 13, 2017, 09:36:57 AM
I  agree with you E. There have been several documented accounts of forest service people setting fires for whatever "unknown" motivations  (orders ? job promotions ? spite? ). But also homeless and illegals set fires  from having camp fires during high winds or just leaving them . Also these fires are not just in California , they are occurring all over the west . And yes these are areas that have been getting the aluminum con/chemtrails ( I've seen them over Lake Tahoe and all over the west) .  So are these chemicals on the trees acting as an  accelerant ?

And right they are re seeding vast areas of the west with WHAT? So Monsanto gets billions directly from the federal trough with govt. contracts .


https://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm
National Preparedness Level 4 as of July 9 at 2:00 pm MDT (on a scale from 1 to 5)
https://www.nifc.gov/nicc/logistics/references/Definition_of_PL_Levels.pdf
Preparedness Level 4
Description:  Three (3) or more Geographic Areas are experiencing incidents requiring Type 1 and 2 Incident Management Teams.  Competition exists for resources between Geographic Areas.  Nationally, 60% of Type 1 and 2 Incident Management Teams and crews are committed


http://www.forestguild.org/CFLRP/Documents/RiskAssessment_FireAccerlerants.pdf
RESIDUES OF FIRE ACCELERANT CHEMICALS

2.3.1 Aluminum and Aluminum Oxide.......................................................................9
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Helitorch/terra-torch or gelled gasoline in handthrown plastic bags.

Gasoline can be mixed with a gelling agent, generally aluminum carboxylates (“alumagel”), which solidifies the gasoline into a jelly-like form, sold under the trade names FireGel®, Surefire®, and Petrol Gel®
...
Based on the combustion products identified in Table 1-1 for each accelerant, the solid or liquid
residues that may potentially be present are as follows:
• Aluminum
• Aluminum oxide
...

2.3.1 Aluminum and Aluminum Oxide
Free aluminum (Al) is reactive.

Following combustion, aluminum oxide (Al2O3) will be the  dominant form in the environment. ATSDR (1999a) estimated a minimal risk level of 2.0 mg Al /kg/day for intermediate (15 to 364 days) oral exposure, based on the most sensitive toxicity endpoint (neurotoxicity) identified in studies in laboratory animals. This minimal risk level is equivalent to 3.78 mg Al2O3/kg/day. Long-term feeding studies in mice and rats using aluminum potassium sulfate or aluminum phosphide led reviewers to conclude that aluminum has not demonstrated carcinogenicity in laboratory animals (ATSDR 1999a).

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http://wildfiretoday.com/tag/smoke/

Wildfire smoke map, July 8, 2017
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This map showing the distribution of smoke from wildfires was produced at 6:37 p.m. MDT July 7, 2017.


ttps://fsapps.nwcg.gov/afm/

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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: Peerless July 13, 2017, 06:38:34 PM
I have memories from my childhood of being taught forest rangers do intentionally set fires...controlled fires to burn off the underbrush in attempts to prevent buildups that can cause much larger fires...as I noted previously, healthy trees can withstand such small fires.

look, I can easily agree that something could be going on...there are certainly way too many instances of idiots starting fires by being idiots...and there are of course arsonists doing it on purpose just for the kicks. 

as far as the record rainfall...eh, whatever...here in Texas we had a great wet winter, but it's already dry as all hell out here
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue July 19, 2017, 09:38:41 AM
Sounds like Agenda 21 to me ...

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-central-valley-wildfire-grows-20170717-htmlstory.html
'Please Stay Out': Wildfire scorches 11,200 acres in Central Valley, triggering evacuations

A wildfire burning in the Central Valley spread across thousands of acres Monday, forcing residents to flee their homes as fire crews wrestled with erratic flames and steep, rugged terrain.

The Detwiler fire, which began Sunday afternoon, has scorched 11,200 acres, destroyed one structure and damaged another about two miles east of Lake McClure in Mariposa County, according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection.
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At least six other smaller fires erupted across the state Monday, as high temperatures and dry conditions presented ripe conditions for destructive wildfires. The largest of the new fires burned 500 acres in Fresno County, Cal Fire officials said.
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Farther north in Mendocino County, about 450 firefighters tackled the 900-acre Grade fire.

Burning five miles northwest of Redwood Valley, the blaze, which was 25% contained as of Monday afternoon, triggered evacuation warnings in the Baker Creek subdivision.

The fire erupted about 2:50 p.m. Sunday along Highway 101 and threatened nearby homes and structures, according to the Mendocino County Sheriff’s Office.

Elsewhere, the 18,311-acre Whittier fire continued to burn into the Santa Ynez Mountains north of Goleta in Santa Barbara County.
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In Calaveras County, a 55-acre blaze ripped through thick, dry grass in the footprint of the 2015 Butte fire, triggering evacuations and leaving one person hospitalized with burn injures.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE57hBCVYAALUR9.jpg)

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue July 22, 2017, 03:58:36 PM
http://www.fresnobee.com/news/nation-world/national/article163063043.html
'Complete devastation' for some near California wildfire
By SCOTT SMITH and OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ
Associated Press
FRESNO, Calif.  —

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The aggressive wildfire sweeping through the Sierra Nevada foothills covered with dense brush and dead trees destroyed 60 homes and 64 other buildings. But it spared Mariposa, a historic Gold Rush-era town popular with tourists bound for the park.

 Firefighters lifted an evacuation order for residents of Mariposa and reopened Highway 140 between the town and Yosemite, California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection spokesman Andy Isolano said.

The wildfire that has scorched 117.5 square miles (298 square kilometers) threatened at least 1,500 homes and forced almost 5,000 people to evacuate.

Nearly 4,500 firefighters, air tankers and fleets of helicopters and bulldozers fought the blaze. A state fire statement said temperatures in the area could top 100 degrees on Saturday and the fire could move moderately fast through the area, torching isolated trees.
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The fire was 30 percent contained after nearly $11 million was spent to battle the blaze, officials said. The cause remained under investigation

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Read more here: http://www.fresnobee.com/news/nation-world/national/article163063043.html#storylink=cpy


Read more here: http://www.fresnobee.com/news/nation-world/national/article163063043.html#storylink=cpy

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: Jackson Holly July 22, 2017, 06:59:05 PM
 quote TahoeBlue:
"I  agree with you E. There have been several documented accounts of forest service people setting fires for whatever "unknown" motivations  (orders ? job promotions ? spite? ). But also homeless and illegals set fires  from having camp fires during high winds or just leaving them . Also these fires are not just in California , they are occurring all over the west . And yes these are areas that have been getting the aluminum con/chemtrails ( I've seen them over Lake Tahoe and all over the west) .  So are these chemicals on the trees acting as an  accelerant ?

And right they are re seeding vast areas of the west with WHAT? So Monsanto gets billions directly from the federal trough with govt. contracts ."

~~~~~~~~~~~

I live out West, too, and as I drive around
this is what I see ... near 40% (average)
dead reported in many areas!

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg148/evinyl/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/conifer_death.jpg) (http://s247.photobucket.com/user/evinyl/media/PrisonPlanetForum/FORUM/conifer_death.jpg.html)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: One Revelator July 22, 2017, 07:30:16 PM
There have been several documented accounts of forest service people setting fires for whatever "unknown" motivations  (orders ? job promotions ? spite? ).


No mystery. There's a HUGE profit motive to get the fires going during fire season. I've seen a local fire rake in over 1 million/day. Those state/federal coffers open up and everybody wants a piece of it. Some temporary positions in forestry can earn $50 or $60/hr. Right off the street. Check out “PR officer”. Big money.

I've seen locals scrambling to offer their ATVs, trucks, boats for “rent” by forestry. It's easy money. No need to lift a finger.  And they brag about earning enough during the season to buy an all-new vehicle.

I've spoken to forestry guys specifically trained in forensics to track down the origin and cause of wildfires. Courtesy of DHS. With that kind of knowledge, how easy would it be to start a fire due to “natural” causes.

I've seen a forestry official gleefully “predicting” that it was going to be a loooooong, dry, hot summer with a big grin on his face. All those equipment people just short of high-fiving the guy. Knowing smiles and winks all round.

Local business, restaurants, hotels aren't going to complain about the boom of business thrown their way by deployed firefighters. The closer a fire is to residential areas, the more resources and money forestry will throw at it. So the annual California shuffle is no surprise really.

Everybody squealing like a pig looking frantically to attach themselves to that big government teat. All quite pathetic. Reminds me of the annual "black friday" trampling spectacle in the fall.

The only thing that stops it all dead cold is....rain. High humidity. Winter.

They kaint, always get, wut they wa...ant....
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 03, 2017, 03:26:32 PM
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/largest-wildfire-los-angeles-history-forces-hundreds-evacuate-023933429.html
Largest wildfire in Los Angeles history forces hundreds to evacuate
By Alex Dobuzinskis
Reuters
September 2, 2017

By Alex Dobuzinskis

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A wildfire on the northern edge of Los Angeles rapidly grew on Saturday into what the mayor called the largest blaze in the city's history, prompting the evacuation of hundreds of people and the closure of a major highway.

The 5,000-acre (2,023-hectare) La Tuna Fire, named after the canyon area where it erupted on Friday, has led authorities to evacuate more than 700 homes in a north Los Angeles neighborhood and in nearby Burbank and Glendale, officials said.

Authorities warned of erratic winds that could force them to widen the evacuation zone, after the fire destroyed three houses in Los Angeles on Saturday.

"Other than that, no loss of any property," Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti said at a news conference. "That is a pretty amazing thing."

The fire was only 10 percent contained with more than 500 firefighters battling it.
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Video posted online by media showed the fire burning along the 210 Freeway when it broke out on Friday, with smoke hovering over the roadway as cars passed by flames a few dozen feet away. Officials quickly closed a stretch of the freeway.

More than 400 miles (644 km) to the north, the so-called Ponderosa Fire has burned 3,880 acres, or about 1,570 hectares, and destroyed 32 homes in Butte County since it broke out on Tuesday
. It prompted authorities to issue evacuation orders earlier this week to residents of some 500 homes.
...

California Governor Jerry Brown issued an emergency declaration on Friday to free up additional resources to battle the Ponderosa blaze.

Wildfires in the U.S. West have burned more than 7.1 million acres (2.9 million hectares) since the beginning of the year, about 50 percent more than during the same time period in 2016, according to the National Interagency Fire Center.

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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: egypt September 03, 2017, 07:03:58 PM


I'll say this:

I'm choking from the smoke and using InfoWars Lung Cleanse.  It really helps.
We filter our air using a commercial grade ozone maker.  It takes the smoke out of a room.
I would like to get the air purifier on the InfoWars site.  That would probably work really well.
We don't go outside.
We are drinking extra water.
We bathe more than the usual because the smoke is grimy.

love, e

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: egypt September 03, 2017, 11:47:20 PM
They're having a conference soon, September 12.  Must be nice to for our US Forest Service make a trip to Sweden.  I guess they work globally to burn up the forests and replace them with gmo'd aluminum resistant seedlings.  The website below is all about genetics among much more. 

I don't like paying taxes that go to huge operations such as these.  What part of "US" in Forestry is not understood?  It seems they took over our US Forestry Department.  Pretty plain they way they act gestapo-ish when you try to go into them.



https://www.rngr.net/resources/events/3rd-restoring-forests-regeneration-and-ecosystem-function-for-the-future

3rd Restoring Forests: Regeneration and Ecosystem Function for the Future
— filed under: Conference

IUFRO Conference

   The conference will focus on the following main topics: Learning from the past for the future, stress tolerant plant materials, and designing and establishing resistant /resilient forest landscapes.   Thus, the scope of the conference will cover a broad array of relevant research, promoting cross- and inter-disciplinary. All main topics will have clear bearings for the practical forest restoration, which will invite to science-society interactions.



love, e

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: swimreferee September 04, 2017, 12:41:32 AM
e.

Look at how this works.  Burn the west to forfill the Agenda 21 map and then all the smoke particulates collect as Rain Clouds and Flood the east. 
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: egypt September 05, 2017, 12:14:32 PM

Wish I knew more about weather control.  It does take particulate to make raindrops.

We are in the "Heavy" smoke area.  It's bad when lungs hurt and eyes are stinging from smoke.  So, we are trying to figure out how to leave & where to go.  Plus, these goldfish that used to be in the pond need to be fed.   :-\

At any rate, if we drop off in forum participation for a while, this is why.  I think we'll go mobile with camping.

love, e
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: jofortruth September 05, 2017, 01:30:01 PM
Wish I knew more about weather control.  It does take particulate to make raindrops.

We are in the "Heavy" smoke area.  It's bad when lungs hurt and eyes are stinging from smoke.  So, we are trying to figure out how to leave & where to go.  Plus, these goldfish that used to be in the pond need to be fed.   :-\

At any rate, if we drop off in forum participation for a while, this is why.  I think we'll go mobile with camping.

love, e


Wishing you the best, Egypt! Hope you find a good place.

You might consider Joel Skousens "Strategic Relocation " book if wanting to find a permanant change.

http://www.joelskousen.com/strategic.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HewwI7cX1yg&feature=youtu.be

http://thesurvivalmom.com/strategic-relocation-a-review/

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-books-video-references/80211-strategic-relocation-north-american-guide-safe-places.html

https://archive.org/details/aj2012-11-08rc

https://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/strategic-relocation-film-full-version-2/
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 05, 2017, 03:22:45 PM
http://www.krdo.com/news/top-stories/how-locals-are-affected-by-haze-from-western-fires-/616381312
How locals are affected by haze from Western fires

Dozens of wildfires burning
By: Scott Harrison 
  Posted: Sep 04, 2017

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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: jofortruth September 05, 2017, 05:06:02 PM
Oops, Egypt! Did not read entire thread. Get it now. You are just trying to temporarily get away from smoke.

Wow, sure are a lot of fires. Hope you dont have to leave long.

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: egypt September 05, 2017, 06:59:27 PM

np Jo! haha

You have it right that we might relocate entirely.  Have to think on it.   Because, it is plain that they want to burn us out.  Look at the map.  Take the Oregon & Washington border line and extend that east into Idaho.  That's where we are.  Even TahoeBlue's fires that are close to him, are sending the smoke to us.

love, e
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: jofortruth September 05, 2017, 07:29:54 PM
np Jo! haha

You have it right that we might relocate entirely.  Have to think on it.   Because, it is plain that they want to burn us out.  Look at the map.  Take the Oregon & Washington border line and extend that east into Idaho.  That's where we are.  Even TahoeBlue's fires that are close to him, are sending the smoke to us.

love, e

 :)

Tough situation! Glad you have some products to give you relief. Hate to speed up Winter, but hope it comes soon to deal with the fires and give you time to plan.

Yep, sounds like A21.

Kiss Idaho Goodbye: Another Major Land Takeover

https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2017/06/07/kiss-idaho-goodbye-another-major-land-takeover/


http://www.channelingreality.com/IEF_Agenda21/Road_To_Regional_Gov.htm
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue September 22, 2017, 12:01:47 PM
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-california-snow-20170921-story.html
On last day of summer, California is hit by unusual snow and hail storms
Sept 21 2017

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Snow fell in Sierra Nevada on the last day of summer, giving the towering mountain range shared by California and Nevada a wintry look in September and making travel hazardous.

Sixteen vehicles crashed on Interstate 80 as snow and hail fell Thursday, killing a man driving a pickup truck and causing minor injuries to a few other people, said California Highway Patrol Officer Chris Nave.

Snow dusted peaks in Yosemite National Park and temporarily closed Tioga Pass road, the soaring eastern entry to the park that typically doesn’t become impassable until mid-November.

Several inches of snow were expected at elevations of at least 6,000 feet in the northern Sierra, said National Weather Service forecaster Hannah Chandler in Sacramento.
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue October 09, 2017, 10:44:52 AM
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/10/08/wildfire-raging-on-atlas-peak-in-napa-county/
NAPA FIRES OF HELL - SAN FRAN CHOKED IN SMOKE

Raging Wine Country Wildfires Burn Homes; Force Evacuations
October 8, 2017 10:58 PM
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NAPA (CBS SF) — Wind-whipped wildfires roared to life Sunday night and early Monday across Wine Country, burning building, forcing evacuations and injuring several people.

The Atlas Peak fire was the largest of several wildfires, quickly growing to more than 200 acres near Napa. Meanwhile, the fire near Calistoga had burned several building and sent several people to the hospital to be treated for burns.

Cal Fire said firefighters were battling several blazes in Sonoma County. The largest was in the area of Porter Creek Road and Petrified Forest Road near Calistoga where mandatory evacuations were ordered for residents along Porter Creek, Petrified Forest, Franz Valley and Mountain Home Ranch Rd.
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue October 10, 2017, 10:25:09 AM
https://apnews.com/ccdb7cae5fc74236b164c82b6d22fed5/At-least-10-dead-as-fires-burn-in-California-wine-country
At least 10 dead as fires rage in California wine country

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLtgD0GUIAAYY8A.jpg)

SANTA ROSA, Calif. (AP) — Wildfires whipped by powerful winds swept through California wine country Monday, killing at least 10 people and injuring at least 100, destroying 1,500 homes and businesses and sending thousands fleeing as flames raged unchecked through high-end resorts, grocery stores and tree-lined neighborhoods.

The fires broke out nearly simultaneously and then exploded overnight, sending residents fleeing as embers rained down and flames raged around them. Two hospitals in Santa Rosa, the largest city in the region with 175,000 people, were forced to evacuate patients.
...

October has generally been the most destructive time of year for California wildfires. What was unusual Sunday, however, was to have so many fires take off at the same time.

Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency in Napa, Sonoma, Butte, Lake, Mendocino, Nevada and Yuba counties. Authorities imposed a sunset-to-sunrise curfew in Santa Rosa, saying they were on the lookout for looters.

The ferocity of the flames forced authorities to focus primarily on getting people out safely, even if it meant abandoning structures to the fire.

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/10/fire-1fa6q9o-640x427-640x489.jpg)

Elsewhere in the state, a fire churning through canyons in hilly neighborhoods of Orange County burned at least half a dozen homes and forced residents of about 1,000 homes to evacuate. Brown also declared a state of emergency for Orange County.


: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue October 11, 2017, 05:12:20 PM
Michael Savage proposes that the fires and Oct 10th are connected hmmm ...  this follows the Oct 1st Las Vegas action  which commemorated the beginning of the PRC hmmm


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_the_Republic_of_China
It commemorates the start of the Wuchang Uprising of October 10, 1911 (10-10 or double ten), which led to the collapse of the Qing Dynasty in China and establishment of the ROC on January 1, 1912. ... The National Day is now mainly celebrated in ROC-controlled Taiwan, but is also celebrated by some overseas Chinese.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/chinese-rev
On October 1, 1949, Chinese Communist leader Mao Zedong declared the creation of the People's Republic of China (PRC). ... The Chinese Communist Party, founded in 1921 in Shanghai, originally existed as a study group working within the confines of the First United Front with the Nationalist Party.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue October 13, 2017, 11:57:49 AM
http://www.drudgereport.com
Weekend winds threaten new fires in embattled California...
'Nothing more than ash and bones'...

31 DEAD, 460+ MISSING...
Couple survives HOURS submerged in pool...


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/13/weekend-gusts-threaten-new-fires-embattled-northern-california/760867001/
Weekend gusts threaten new fires; crews battling more than 20 blazes in northern California
Trevor Hughes and Doug Stanglin, USA TODAY Published 8:33 a.m. ET Oct. 13, 2017
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/2017/10/13/USATODAY/USATODAY/636434845938305653-101317-Napa-region-fires-online.png)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: egypt October 13, 2017, 01:07:01 PM
All that chemtrailing just off the beach, over the Pacific -- stopping storm fronts, purposely making a drought out of the bread basket of the world.  No rain.  No water.  Then, they set it on fire!  Just exactly the same in what is happening all over the West in America.  Those responsible need to be held accountable.  It is an assault on innocent lives, causing death and destruction for humanity.  There are no words for the extent of this evil.

love, e
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue October 13, 2017, 07:23:01 PM
http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/fires/article178666641.html
Live Fire Updates: Death toll climbs to 32 with hundreds still missing
By Benjy Egel And Sam Stanton
begel@sacbee.com
October 13, 2017 8:11 AM
1:30 p.m.

Death toll climbs

An 18th victim of the wildfires in Sonoma County has been discovered dead, bringing the statewide fatality count from fires since Sunday to 32, the deadliest week from wildfires in state history.

Sonoma County Sheriff Rob Giordano said Friday that hundreds of people remain missing, and that 45 search and rescue workers and 30 detectives are scouring the fire zones looking for victims.

...  256 still unaccounted for.

Giordano expects many of those people still will be found safe, but has said he expects the death toll to increase as searchers gain access to more burned neighborhoods.

Officials also warned that they are stepping up efforts against looting and price gouging in the county in the wake of the fires.

Sonoma deputies arrested a suspected looter Thursday, marking the sixth such arrest since the fires began, and District Attorney Jill Ravitch said such cases will be prosecuted.
...

346.5 miles of fire in state

8:30 a.m.

Seventeen active California wildfires have burned a combined 221,754 acres, or 346.5 miles, according to Cal Fire.
...

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/fires/article178666641.html#storylink=cpy
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue October 15, 2017, 11:03:54 AM
http://www.ktvu.com/news/what-started-californias-wildfires-theories-range-from-arson-to-downed-pge-power-lines
What started California's wildfires? Theories range from arson to downed PG&E power lines

...
Fire officials have not yet determined the cause of any of the 17 major fires burning north of San Francisco.
...
One woman speculated to KTVU on Monday that it could be an arson bug who waited for high winds to set the blaze.

The Bay Area News Group reported that emergency dispatchers in Sonoma County received multiple calls of power lines falling down and electrical transformers exploding on Sunday night, when the wildfires were first reported.

In all, according to a review of emergency radio traffic by the Bay Area News Group, Sonoma County dispatchers sent out fire crews to at least 10 different locations across the county over a 90-minute period starting at 9:22 pm to respond to 911 calls and other reports of sparking wires and problems with the county’s electrical system amid high winds.
...

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related: firebug starting fires in high winds :

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2017-08-07/man-23-suspected-of-arson-in-series-of-california-fires
Man, 23, Suspected of Arson in Series of California Fires

Southern California authorities say a 23-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of starting several recent wildfires, including one that injured a firefighter.
Aug. 7, 2017

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) — Southern California authorities say a 23-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of starting several recent wildfires, including one that injured a firefighter.

San Bernardino County District Attorney Mike Ramos said Monday that Jarrod Anthony Samra faces eight counts of arson for eight different blazes.
...
 Investigators say evidence was found at each scene that connected Samra to the fires, which started along roads and at similar times of day.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Dramatic-Photos-Palos-Verdes-Fire-55684317.html
Deadly Station Fire. - SoCal Fire Was Arson

Earlier:

http://abc30.com/archive/9152010/
Two arson suspects arrested for Yosemite Lakes Park fires

June 26, 2013 12:38:42 AM PDT
By Linda Mumma
FRESNO, Calif. --
Cal Fire law enforcement officers arrested a Coarsegold couple after dozens of suspicious fires in the Yosemite Lakes Park area.

Kenneth Alan Jackson, 40, and Allison Marie Waterman, 46, were booked into the Madera County Jail on arson charges.

Cal Fire officials said Jackson is being charged with 31 counts of arson, resisting arrest, and attempted battery on a peace officer. Waterman was booked on a single charge of arson.

"The Yosemite Lakes Park community has been threatened by countless wildfires over the past several months that we believe were a result of arson," said Chief Nancy Koerperich, CAL FIRE Unit Chief for the Madera-Mariposa-Merced Unit. "We appreciate the community's support and assistance as we worked to track down these suspects."

http://calfire.ca.gov/communications/communications_newsreleases_Yosemite-arson-suspect-arrested-
CAL FIRE Arrests Yosemite Lakes Park Area Arson Suspects

Arson Suspect ArrestedMadera - After a rash of suspicious fires, CAL FIRE law enforcement officers Tuesday night arrested a Yosemite Lakes Park couple on suspicion of dozens of arson fires. Kenneth Alan Jackson, 40 and Allison Marie Waterman, 46, both of Coarsegold, were booked into the Madera County Jail for arson. Jackson is being charged with 31 counts of arson, resisting arrest, as well as attempted battery on a peace officer. Waterman was booked on a single charge of arson.

The Yosemite Lakes Park community has been threatened by countless wildfires over the past several months that we believe were a result of arson,� said Chief Nancy Koerperich, CAL FIRE Unit Chief for the Madera-Mariposa-Merced Unit. �We appreciate the community�s support and assistance as we worked to track down these suspects.�

CAL FIRE law enforcement officers work diligently in arson cases to aggressively investigate and prosecute those suspected of intentionally starting fires. Numerous agencies assisted in the investigation and arrest including the Madera County Sheriff�s Department, Madera County District Attorney�s Office and the Yosemite Lakes Park security staff.

As fire danger remains extreme across California, arson is a major threat to both life and property. Residents should be vigilant in their preparedness and aware of suspicious persons when a fire does start. If you witness someone suspicious make note of the time, his or her physical description, as well as any vehicle description, including the license plate number. Always contact law enforcement, never approach a suspicious person. Anyone with information about arson is urged to contact the CAL FIRE Arson Hotline at 1-800-468-4408. Callers can remain anonymous.

see:

http://wildfiretoday.com/tag/arson/
http://wildfiretoday.com/2016/08/15/man-arrested-for-starting-the-clayton-fire-and-numerous-others/
Man arrested for starting the Clayton Fire and numerous others

(Originally published at 8:55 p.m. PDT August 15, 2016. Updated at 7:46 a.m. PDT August 16 with a list of charges against him and an updated mug shot.)

    County officials arrested a 40-year-old Clear Lake man Monday on 17 counts of arson related to numerous fires set over the last year, including the 4,000-acre Clayton Fire that has so far claimed 175 buildings and displaced hundreds of people.

    Lake County Sheriff Brian Martin and Cal Fire Chief Ken Pimlott announced the arrest of Damin Pashilk at a community meeting packed with evacuees at a casino doubling as a Red Cross shelter south of the blaze. Residents gasped at the announcement.
...
Chief Pimlott said Mr. Pashilk had been under investigation for about a year. The charges were enhanced because homes and businesses were destroyed. He has been arrested at least a dozen times before mostly for parole violations, but also on drug and weapons charges.
...
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: jofortruth October 19, 2017, 02:08:56 PM
Sonoma County wine country fire, suspected arson by an illegal alien

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=320330.msg1632210#new
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue October 20, 2017, 09:36:28 AM
Across California there are hundreds illegal aliens and "homeless" living in the woods starting unsafe campfires ... in santa ana like winds  (plus  illegal marijuana grows ) ... hmmm ... This  has caused a majority of wildfires in california for decades now ... But there are also people called pyromaniacs that go off when the conditions are ripe and they closed the insane asylums years ago ...

Plus on top of all this is California is home to satanists that love to murder people ... if they can get away with it .
 


http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-fires-immigration-20171019-story.html
,,,
ICE Acting Director Thomas Homan blasted Sonoma County for so-called sanctuary policies that he said has "left their community vulnerable to dangerous individuals and preventable crimes."
...

http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/fires/article179322896.html
Sonoma sheriff shoots down right-wing reports linking arson suspect to wine country fires
By Ryan Sabalow
rsabalow@sacbee.com
October 17, 2017 12:35 PM

The arrest of a 29-year-old Latino man this weekend on suspicion of starting a small fire in California’s scorched wine country ignited a firestorm of its own on right-wing media sites whose articles linked him – without evidence – to the catastrophic fires that have killed at least 28 people in the area.

Sonoma County Sheriff Rob Giordano forcefully shot down the allegations at a press conference Tuesday afternoon.

“There is a story out there that he’s the arsonist in these fires,” Giordano said. “That’s not the case. There’s no indication he’s related to these fires at all. ... I wanted to kill that speculation right now, so we didn’t have things running too far out of control.”
...

Gonzales was arrested at Maxwell Farms Regional Park in Sonoma on Sunday afternoon after he was seen leaving a creek bed with a plume of smoke rising behind him, Giordano said.

The fire was so small a responding sheriff’s deputy was able to mostly put it out before firefighters arrived, according to the Press Democrat. Gonzales, who was reportedly wearing a trench coat, was carrying a lighter and fire extinguisher, Giordano said.

Gonzales often sleeps in the park and is well-known to law enforcement, Giordano said.

“They asked him if he started the fire, and he said he started the fire to warm himself up,” Giordano said.

....
comments:

Curtis Gomes
I personally find it difficult that this one person could have set these devastating fires. I am ex law enforcement and have investigated arson fires.   Extremely difficult to prove for sure.  However, the real problem is California  politics driving law enforcement policy pitting one agency against another.
a leftist ploy to gain control ove all sectors......  Here's the real truth in this situation and this "Sanctuary" status that is forced on various Sheriff's departments:

WASHINGTON, DC — U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Acting Director Tom Homan confirmed on Thursday that a man arrested in connection with setting a fire in Sonoma County Wine Country is an illegal alien from Mexico who has been twice returned to his “home country.”

Homan also confirmed that ICE has issued detainer requests for Jesus Fabian Gonzalez five times now in the past year alone, including the one issued on October 16 in relation to his most recent arrest on suspicion of arson. All of the arrests were made “by Sonoma County on various felony and misdemeanor charges,” according to Homan.

Sonoma County is considered a sanctuary jurisdiction and does not fully cooperate with federal immigration officials. That includes not honoring ICE detainer requests. “ICE was never notified of Mr. Gonzalez’ various releases,” Homan wrote in the statement regarding Gonzalez.

There were several fires in the region, and it is not clear what role the fires Gonzales allegedly set played in the overall disaster.


Sonoma County wine country fire, suspected arson by an illegal alien

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=320330.msg1632210#new

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http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/pyromaniacs

Investigators Are Hot on the Trail of a Palm Tree Pyromaniac
March 25, 1990 | MICHAEL CONNELLY, TIMES STAFF WRITER

Pyromaniac Found Sane in Murder, Arson Case
January 30, 2002
A jury found Tuesday that a pyromaniac was sane when he set a drunken man on fire in 1997. Jose Manuel Carranza, 22, of Sylmar faces 30 years to life for first-degree murder and arson. He killed Luciano Olmeda, 45, on May 18, 1997. If found insane, he could have been sent to a mental hospital, possibly for life.

Fire Official's Arrest Stuns Colleagues
December 6, 1991 | PHIL SNEIDERMAN and DEAN E. MURPHY, TIMES STAFF WRITERS
Suspected arsonist John L. Orr was regarded as a mentor and sage by many of his firefighting colleagues, a veteran arson investigator called upon by fire officials across Southern California who were stumped by a tough case. The Glendale fire captain taught seminars, wrote articles for trade publications and helped develop educational classes for statewide conferences of arson investigators. "He has a lot more experience than most of us in the area," said Burbank Fire Capt. Steve Patterson.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue October 22, 2017, 10:53:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgPxd65EiHc&t=369s
CA Fires: Clear Evidence Santa Rosa Destroyed For Agenda 21/2030 Development
Published on Oct 19, 2017
Please circulate aplanetruth.info's video far and wide. The link is below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQy5CDDzhoc

aplaintruth.info
Published on Oct 12, 2017
Further evidence highly suggests the surprise record firestorm was created to re-purpose zoning developments towards AGenda 21 mandates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQgC0Zb4Sco
Man Films His Neighborhood Burning in Santa Rosa
Storyful News
Published on Oct 11, 2017
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 05, 2017, 11:34:32 AM
I'm beginning to see a trend here ..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventura_County,_California
...
For many years, Ventura County voted consistently for Republican candidates for local, statewide and federal offices. Only recently has the county begun favoring Democratic candidates in both federal and state elections.
...
For the previous twenty five years, most of Ventura County was represented by Elton Gallegly, a conservative Republican from Simi Valley, who retired in 2012.
...
On March 3, 2008, Democratic registration surpassed Republican registration and this Democratic edge has grown since.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/ThomasFire?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fcalifornia%2F2017%2F12%2F05%2Ffire-forces-27000-evacuate-ventura-dry-winter-looms%2F

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQRTkBNU8AASQKX.jpg:large)

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/12/05/fire-forces-27000-evacuate-ventura-dry-winter-looms/
Fire Forces 27,000 to Evacuate in Ventura as Dry Winter Looms
by Joel B. Pollak5 Dec 2017

A masive wildfire that erupted overnight and burned over 30,000 acres has forced 27,000 people in Ventura County to evacuate their homes as 150 structures were destroyed, according to reports from local news and wire services.

...

The Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday: “Hundreds of firefighters working through the night tried to prevent the blaze from spreading, block by block, as they were confronted by wind gusts of up to 50 mph. One firefighter was injured, though it’s unclear how.”

The Associated Press noted:

    The blaze broke out Monday and grew wildly to more than 48 square miles (124 sq. kilometers) in the hours that followed, consuming vegetation that hasn’t burned in decades, Ventura County Fire Sgt. Eric Buschow said.

    …

    “The fire growth is just absolutely exponential,” Ventura County Fire Chief Mark Lorenzen said. “All that firefighters can do when we have winds like this is get out ahead, evacuate people, and protect structures.”

The fire is being called the Thomas fire. Photographs on social media show a dramatic, destructive blaze:
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 06, 2017, 11:36:55 AM
Notice there is no explanation as to how the hills were suddenly TORCHED ,,,, no talk of arson ... hmmm
The Pyro's wait for the winds and then rush out ... they ought have the national gaurd out on nights like that just to protect the community ... but no they want the havoc
 


http://www.dailynews.com/2017/12/04/fire-burns-more-than-5000-acres-in-santa-paula-area-college-evacuated/

Throughout the Southern California communities overlooking the beachfront city of Ventura, residents were caught off guard late Monday when the hillsides exploded in flames.

The wind-driven Thomas fire tore through communities in the middle of the night, leaving rows of homes and a psychiatric hospital in ruins Tuesday and sending tens of thousands of people fleeing for their lives.

California Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency for Ventura County Tuesday afternoon saying the fire is very dangerous and residents must be ready to evacuate if told to do so.

http://www.drudgereport.com/
LOS ANGELES BURNS...
405 Closed...
Bel-Air Evacuates...
'Driving Through Hell'...
Fire Threatens GETTY Museum...
VIDEO...
Surreal scenes of devastation...
VIDEO: Ammo Flies Out Of Home, Hits Photographer...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-06/driving-hell-los-angeles-405-freeway-shutdown-wildfires-spread
"Like Driving Into Hell" - Los Angeles' 405 Freeway Shutdown As Wildfires Spread

https://twitter.com/_/status/938395777193279488


http://abc7.com/ventura-county-fire-chars-70-square-miles-destroys-homes/2740200/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQXkEOYUIAAoHZp.jpg)

Tuesday, December 05, 2017 11:43PM
VENTURA, Calif. (KABC) -- The wind-driven Thomas Fire exploded to 55,000 acres - or 70 square miles - with zero percent containment by Tuesday afternoon, destroying at least 150 structures, according to Ventura County fire officials.

Multiple homes in the area of Scenic Way Drive in Ventura could be seen burning from the air. In downtown Ventura, the Hawaiian Village apartment complex was engulfed in flames.
...
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 06, 2017, 01:49:15 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5152529/Terrifying-video-shows-drivers-LA-passing-hills-flames.html
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/06/17/470CA69A00000578-5152529-image-m-19_1512580609035.jpg)
...
Late Wednesday morning, Donald Trump retweeted a FEMA announcement that it was providing grants for the first three blazes - the Thomas, Rye and Creek fires.

He added: 'Our thoughts and prayers are with everyone in the path of California's wildfires. I encourage everyone to heed the advice and orders of local and state officials.

'THANK YOU to all First Responders for your incredible work!'

It's not known what sparked the San Bernardino fire - the fourth of the five fires so far this month - but two people were found badly burned near its point of origin close to a McDonald's restaurant.

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 06, 2017, 02:36:36 PM
FireWorks ??? geez ...

http://www.keyt.com/news/crime/arson-and-illegal-fireworks-run-amok-in-isla-vista-during-power-outage/668247699
Arson and illegal fireworks run amok in Isla Vista during power outage
Thomas Fire caused county-wide power outages
     Allison Weeks

Posted: Dec 05, 2017 07:21 PM PST

ISLA VISTA, Calif. - The Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Office is investigating illegal fireworks and acts of arson during the power outages in Isla Vista Monday night.

It happened around 10 p.m. near Del Playa Drive between Camino Pescadero and Camino Del Sur.

An unknown number of people started setting off illegal fireworks. The Sheriff's Office says mortar style fireworks were set off over the ocean and Del Playa Drive while cinder cone fireworks were being set off at intersections of residential areas. This attracted thousands of people to the fireworks display.

The same people who set off the fireworks then started to set two couches, a chair and a dumpster on fire.
...
Deputies would like to remind the public that first responders have been extremely busy because of the Thomas Fire.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 06, 2017, 02:55:13 PM
http://www.dailynews.com/2017/10/31/north-hollywood-woman-booked-charged-in-series-of-arson-fires/
By Brenda Gazzar | bgazzar@scng.com | Daily News
PUBLISHED: October 31, 2017

North Hollywood woman charged in arson fires, enters plea
(http://www.dailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ldn-l-noho-fires-crop22.png?w=818)

A woman taken into police custody last week has now been booked and charged for allegedly setting multiple fires in the North Hollywood area this month, Los Angeles fire officials said Tuesday.

Angelina McWhirter, 35, of North Hollywood was charged Friday with two counts of arson and one misdemeanor count of recklessly causing a fire, said Greg Risling of the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office in an email.

She pleaded not guilty on the same day, he said. Her preliminary hearing is set for Nov. 8..
...
McWhirter was arrested by Los Angeles Police Department North Hollywood Division officers on an unrelated warrant on Oct. 23 while police worked with Los Angeles Fire Department arson investigators to determine if she could have been involved in the suspicious fires, according to authorities.The police officers had initially recognized McWhirter from a crime bulletin that had been distributed by LAFD arson investigators.
...
CBS2 obtained surveillance video of what appears to be a woman trying to set fire to a big rig in North Hollywood in the early morning hours of Oct. 19.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 07, 2017, 11:38:13 AM
http://www.drudgereport.com/

More CA inferno...
82 square miles!
Looks Like Volcano Erupted...
LAFD Chief Warns: Firefighter Fatigue...
Fight to save LIONS, TIGERS, HYENAS..
LIVE...

BEVERLY HILLS OF HELLL
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hurricane-force-gusts-could-cripple-battle-against-southern-california-wildfires/
HURRICANE-FORCE WINDS SPREAD FLAMES
 CBS/AP December 7, 2017, 4:52 AM
Hurricane-force gusts could cripple battle vs. Southern California wildfires

...
"The forecast for tomorrow (Thursday) is purple," said Ken Pimlott, director at the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection. "We've never used purple before."

(https://fsapps.nwcg.gov/data/lg_fire/lg_fire_nifc_2017-12-07.png)

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5a28974f/turbine/la-lb-media-la-me-ln-socal-wildfires-main-2-20171206-111532)
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 08, 2017, 05:35:02 PM
now San Diego hills are up in flames .. who lit the match ? .

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-san-diego-county-fire-school-closures-20171207-story.html
San Diego County Fire: These schools are closed

The following North County schools and school districts will be closed Friday because of the Lilac Fire, the County Office of Education announced early this morning.

Due to forecasted high Santa Ana winds and possible power outages, the following school districts will be closed on Friday, Dec. 8, 2017:

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/wildfire/sd-no-bonsall-stampede-20171207-story.html
California fires: Sudden firestorm forces deadly stampede at Bonsall training center

Paul Sisson and Jay PosnerContact Reporters
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Accustomed to the highly-regimented life of the racetrack, hundreds of thoroughbreds frantically galloped together Thursday trying to escape the blazing Lilac wildfire.
...
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 09, 2017, 11:40:08 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fires-continue-to-spread-in-southern-california-1512747388
(https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-WN191_liondo_P_20171208175340.jpg)
 Fire crews searched for hot spots Friday among destroyed homes in the Rancho Monserate Country Club community in Fallbrook, Calif. Photo: Associated Press
...
The southern fires come just weeks after deadly fires in October that raged through Northern California’s wine country, killing 43 people and leveling more than 8,000 homes and other structures. Already, $9 billion in claims have been reported from the wine country fires, according to the California Department of Insurance.
...
Between 1990 and 2000, more than one million homes were added to the wildlands in California, Oregon and Washington, according to another study.

https://fsapps.nwcg.gov/
(https://fsapps.nwcg.gov/data/lg_fire/lg_fire_nifc_2017-12-09.png)

Fire Information Report for Lilac 5

Report Date: 09-DEC-17
Burnt Area:   4,100 Acres (105% increase from yesterday)
Location:   San Diego County, California
Cause:   Not Reported
Incident Team Type:   IMT Type 1
Containment Status:   20% contained
Expected Containment:   21-Dec-17

Fire Information Report for Thomas

Report Date: 09-DEC-17
Burnt Area:   143,000 Acres (24% increase from yesterday)
Location:   Ventura County, California
Cause:   Undetermined
Incident Team Type:   IMT Type 1
Containment Status:   15% contained
Expected Containment:   24-Dec-17

Fire report information is based on the Incident Status Summary (ICS-209) database and the Integrated Reporting of Wildland Fire Information (iRWIn). Additional information for current large incidents is available via the Incident Management Situation Report (IMSR) provided by the National Interagency Coordination Center.

Discrepancies between the fire acreage displayed on the large incident location map and the acreage reported in the ICS-209 are subject to the currency of ICS-209 information reported above (please note the report date). The USDA Forest Service Geospatial Technology and Applications Center is not responsible for the accuracy of this information.

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 10, 2017, 11:27:19 AM
what gets me .. I've lived here most of my life and these greedy idiots have made life here a hell ... they shut down the logging and proper management of the forests , they shut down dam building and built homes to expand the tax base and suck up all the usable water .  It's all about greed and NOTHING about "climate change" .

" Between 1990 and 2000, more than one million homes were added to the woodlands in California, Oregon and Washington, according to another study."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5163041/California-braces-high-winds-wildfires-continue.html
California governor blames devastating wildfires on climate change and says deadly winter infernos will be 'the new normal'

    California Governor Jerry Brown said Saturday that destructive winter wildfires will be the 'new reality'
    Blamed climate change for deadly infernos and urged lawmakers to take heed of natural disasters
    Fire crews bracing for high winds that are expected to whip Southern California wildfires Saturday night
    Gusts of up to 40mph are expected Saturday and up to 50mph Sunday in the Los Angeles area
    Six fires have destroyed more than 500 buildings, killed dozens of horses and forced 212,000 to evacuate
    First fire-related death confirmed on Friday after woman was found dead in crash along evacuation route

By Keith Griffith For Dailymail.com and Wires

Published: 13:35 EST, 9 December 2017 | Updated: 06:59 EST, 10 December 2017

California Governor Jerry Brown (pictured) said on Saturday that drought and climate change mean California faces a 'new reality' where lives and property are continually threatened by fire, at a cost of billions of dollars

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Shelby Hope walks through the remains of the Padilla Ranch near Sylmar, which was ravaged by the Creek Fire, on Wednesday. The ranch owners were forced to flee for their lives, and were unable to free their horses - 29 of which perished

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Mike_in_Kyiv, Kyiv Ukraine, about a minute ago

If Moon Beam and his predecessors has kept the underbrush cleaned out rather than protecting obscure extinct creatures like the snaill darter, we would not have this mess. Clean forest floor = less brush to be fueled by the Santa Ana winds. Jerry Brown is a fool. He knows full well it's bad enviro regs about keeping a clean forest that has really caused this!

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 12, 2017, 11:52:15 AM
I wondered when I'd see the word "Sustainable"  ...

http://sustainableventura.tv/2017/12/07/city-of-ventura-website-thomas-fire-news/
City of Ventura Website: Thomas Fire News

https://www.cityofventura.ca.gov/1254/Thomas-Fire

On 12/4/17, a fast moving active brush fire that started North of Santa Paula along Highway 150 and Bridge Road was pushed by strong east winds through the City of Ventura. There are more than 4,000 firefighters, and fire departments from multiple states involved plus cooperating agencies and community partners. The fire is currently estimated at 230,200 acres. In the City of Ventura, 85 structures have been identified as damaged and 427 structures have been identified as being destroyed.

The City, County and State have declared a State of Emergency.

On Saturday, December 9, more than 1,500 residents attended the Thomas Fire Community Meeting in the Auditorium of Buena High School in Ventura. ...

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WATCH Sustainable Ventura
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zhM6zUuVV0&feature=youtu.be&list=PLNmRFj63udgwf5Wx9zoaAndqNxIdKVfct
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 14, 2017, 02:22:14 PM
http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-thomas-fire-ledeall-20171214-story.html
'This fire is a beast'
: Massive inferno keeps growing despite epic battle by firefighters
 By Joseph Serna, Javier Panzar and Matt Hamilton
Dec 14, 2017



More than a week after the Thomas fire ignited in Ventura County, destroying hundreds of homes and displacing thousands as it grew into a massive inferno, firefighters are now in a race to protect the pristine coastal communities of neighboring Santa Barbara County before a shift in powerful winds forecast for this weekend.

Across the mountain ridges above Santa Barbara, Summerland and Montecito, firefighters Wednesday were building containment lines, clearing brush, digging breaks and setting small backfires to burn fuel, all in an effort to create barriers to stop the forward march of the fire.

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"This fire is a beast and you're gonna kill it," Martin Johnson, Santa Barbara County fire division chief, told fire crews at a morning briefing. "I have no doubt."

Authorities said it will probably take months for fire officials to determine the cause of the Thomas fire.

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 17, 2017, 11:59:50 AM
save the sheep ... and the sheeple too ..
https://fsapps.nwcg.gov/fireInfo.php?fireID=CA-VNC-103156
Report Date: 17-DEC-17
Burnt Area:   269,000 Acres (5% increase from yesterday)
Location:   Ventura County, California
Cause:   Undetermined
Incident Team Type:   IMT Type 1
Containment Status:   40% contained
Expected Containment:   07-Jan-18


http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/17/us/california-fires/index.html
California fire: Resident says neighborhood looks like 'war zone'
Sun December 17, 2017
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"Once a paradise, was like war zone," Frescas said of her Ventura apartment complex that was destroyed by the blaze.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRNfDmQUQAAtZH0.jpg)
#ThomasFire conditions can change quickly. Proactive measures include keepers and staff funneling churro sheep into crates for relocation to smoke-free area. Thanks for support & good wishes, but no public help needed.
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Oprah Winfrey, who has a home in one of the areas under evacuation orders, tweeted about the fire Saturday.
"Still praying for our little town," she said. "Winds picked up this morning creating a perfect storm of bad for firefighters," she said.
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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 17, 2017, 12:08:17 PM
http://losangelesskywatch.org/how-and-why-ca-fires-were-dew-created
How and Why CA Fires Were DEW Created
12 December 2017, 8:34 pm

https://youtu.be/fQy5CDDzhoc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGcvkAGCwFM
from 2011! Agenda 21 Plans to Burn Up Northern CA

aplaintruth.info
Published on Oct 27, 2017
Debora Tavares' interview with Jeff Rense in 2015 conclusively provides documented proof of premeditation of fire destruction of Sonoma and Mendocino Counties, in Northern California using microwave weaponry.
Additionally, RFID trackers are being used to locate victims in the vaporized rubble that is left of former residence's.
Part II will cover the logging companies efforts to provide massive fuel for West Coast forest fires using the hackn' squirt tree destroying methods of the Fischer Brothers, of Levi Strauss Jeans and GAP Stores fame.
This is all part of Agenda 21, which we will show is in full swing directly after the fires.
2011 PG & E and Cal PUblic Utilities Email exchange

http://www.stopthecrime.net/RF%20Beam%20at%20Sebastopol.pdf

N. Ca Burning Tavares
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb8eQGC-msc&t=513s

Directed Energy Weapons or Just WILDFIRES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_M3bYs0QME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2-NaTaWnRw
Nor Cal Fires Aftermath ~ Proof Agenda 21 Plans Are Being Implemented
Published on Oct 30, 2017
NorCA Fires Agenda  21 Going on Smoothly Without a Hitch     Aftermath ~ Agenda 21 Plans Already Being Implemented
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/7572376-181/fire-scorched-fountaingrove-in-santa-rosa?artslide=0
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 18, 2017, 06:52:15 PM
http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-thomas-fire-ledeall-20171217-story.html
Fire crews take advantage of calm winds, but 'we’ll always be in the ‘ready, set, go’ mode'
By Melissa Etehad and Ben Poston
Dec 17, 2017 | 10:35 PM
| MONTECITO, Calif.

Firefighters took advantage of light winds in Santa Barbara County late Sunday, mounting an aggressive attack directly on the massive Thomas fire's western face a day after powerful gusts pushed flames toward homes along the coast.

Crews were in place to protect homes should a wind shift send the wildfire toward neighborhoods overnight, but authorities said that's unlikely.

"The fire's burning in open country right now, which is away from homes, which is exactly where we want it," said Capt. Rick Crawford, a Cal Fire spokesman. Even so, he said, "We'll always be in the 'ready, set, go' mode."
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In advance of the weekend flare-up, firefighters smothered portions of the Santa Barbara County hills with hundreds of thousands of gallons of fire retardant to keep embers from igniting spot fires. Some hillsides were intentionally denuded above Montecito, Summerland and Carpinteria, including in Romero and Toro canyons, to limit the potential damage.
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"There's a spiritual element," he said. "That's why people decide to live here."

Not all homes were spared. On Sunday, a multimillion-dollar house on Park Hill Lane in the Montecito hills was still burning. From the outside, the Spanish-style structure appeared intact, but the interior was almost completely gutted.

All that remained was smoldering ash.

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: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 19, 2017, 06:09:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQtDEa6wceE
REPOST: Highly Decorated Fire Captain John Lord speaks out about CA Fires
Tony DuPuis
Published on Nov 8, 2017
THANK YOU : aplanetruth.info
Published on Nov 3, 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jKhlIV_3i8
"Smart Fire" Aircraft Lasers Likely Used on CA Fires

aplaintruth.info
Published on Nov 5, 2017
More evidence of highly advanced technology used in CA "Smart Fires"
https://www.wired.com/2008/08/will-ne...
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/201...

Using the excuse that the county/state does not want to use taxpayer funds for debris removal and must require homeowners hand over any debris removal funds from their homeowners insurance is highly questionable because the President already approved debris removal funding under the Stafford Act (see https://www.fema.gov/disaster/notices...).

Due to the severity of the destruction, it looks like the county/state may get 100% federal funding for debris removal rather than the normal 75%. IMO, those that sign the ROE are in for a major shock when they try to rebuild.

The ROE requires removal of foundations and up to 6 inches of dirt. People will max out their insurance benefits and be left holding the bag for the amount to rebuild from the foundation up. Once the city revises the building codes, which they are probably in the process of doing now, homeowners will likely sell out to whichever developer offers the most for the property. If homeowners do not use the government removal, they will likely hit a brick wall of red tape when they attempt to rebuild.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm_ffRXuBrQ
California Fire Extreme Anomalies - Crankshaft Under The Bed - Cars Dismembered - Tile Transfigured
mental_boost
Published on Nov 7, 2017
You know there is something wrong when you find a crankshaft under the bed.  Kiln fired clay roofing tiles swelling and changing shape.  Steel chassis on cars completely stripped out and missing. Engine blocks melted right out of the frames and actually thrown from the vehicle (or vehicle thrown from engine).  Insides of electric motors explode apart.  Cars flipped over while gas tanks still in tact.  Even the kitchen sink gets chewed right through.  More than a firenado... maybe sharknado?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1g_GbZO3pE
California Fires: Terracotta Roof Anomaly: Microwave Assisted Combustion Synthesis
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: Jacob Law December 19, 2017, 10:55:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgPxd65EiHc&t=369s
CA Fires: Clear Evidence Santa Rosa Destroyed For Agenda 21/2030 Development
Published on Oct 19, 2017
Please circulate aplanetruth.info's video far and wide. The link is below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQy5CDDzhoc

aplaintruth.info
Published on Oct 12, 2017
Further evidence highly suggests the surprise record firestorm was created to re-purpose zoning developments towards AGenda 21 mandates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQgC0Zb4Sco
Man Films His Neighborhood Burning in Santa Rosa
Storyful News
Published on Oct 11, 2017

This guys has it nailed down; and on this line there is the path of what truthfully is going on;
The first video shows that the firefighters are not even allow to use the aircraft to put out the fires. 

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Let it Burn Baby Burn; The Agenda 21 CA Smart Fires Continues On

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Directed Energy Weapons Used China etc

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 22, 2017, 12:32:59 PM
44 people ... The devastating Oakland hills fire was less ...

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/11/28/october-fires-44th-victim-a-creative-globetrotting-engineer-with-the-kindest-heart/
October Fires’ 44th Victim: A Creative, Globetrotting Engineer With ‘the Kindest Heart’
By Alex Emslie   
November 28, 2017

Michel Azarian, 41, died Sunday at UC Davis Medical Center from extensive burns he suffered when the Tubbs Fire trapped him outside his home on the outskirts of Santa Rosa.

He is the 44th person to have died as a result of the October wildfires that devastated huge swaths of the North Bay and other Northern California communities.
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Azarian spent eight years in Austin, designing radio technology and other wireless circuitry.
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Papanyan said his friend was elated when he got a new job — for Linear Technology — and moved to San Jose in 2014.
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But he left a community of friends in Texas, including one associated with the Armenian Church of Austin.
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He moved to Santa Rosa about two years ago, Papanyan said, and took a new job with Keysight Technologies there.
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Oct. 8, the night the fires hit Santa Rosa, or if he was outdoors and trapped by the wind-whipped wall of flames that roared across the hills from Calistoga.

Either way, he couldn’t get out, and appears to have tried to take shelter in a small clearing near his home. That’s where he was discovered the next day, with severe burns on more than half his body.

“It’s just amazing that he was able to survive the whole night being surrounded by the firestorm,” Papanyan said.
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Below: A sortable list of the 44 people identified as having died as a result of the October fires in Northern California . To access links, right click (Windows) or control click (Mac OS X):
,,

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_firestorm_of_1991

The Oakland firestorm of 1991 was a large suburban wildland-urban interface conflagration that occurred on the hillsides of northern Oakland, California, and southeastern Berkeley over the weekend of October 19–20, 1991. The official name of this incident by Cal Fire is the Tunnel fire.[1] However, it is also commonly referred to as Oakland hills firestorm or the East Bay Hills Fire. The fire ultimately killed 25 people and injured 150 others. The 1,520 acres (620 ha) destroyed included 2,843 single-family dwellings and 437 apartment and condominium units. The economic loss has been estimated at $1.5 billion (1991 USD)

: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 23, 2017, 04:38:44 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5207839/California-wildfire-largest-1932-Cal-Fire.html

REVEALED: California's Thomas Fire is now the state's largest EVER
The Thomas Fire that firefighters have battled for over two weeks is now the state's largest since at least 1932
The fire broke out on December 4 and burned 273,400 acres and destroyed 1,063 structures
It previously topped Cal Fire's list of the top 20 largest wildfires in the state
By Afp
Published: 23:20 EST, 22 December 2017  | Updated: 11:35 EST, 23 December 2017

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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/23/thomas-fire-now-ranks-as-largest-ever-wildfire-in-california-history.html

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Although a cold front and calmer winds have helped aid firefighters, the massive Thomas fire in Southern California now ranks as the state's largest-ever wildfire, Cal Fire said late Friday.

The flames have charred at least 273,400 acres, or more than 427 square miles
. That's slightly above the previous wildfire record of 273,246 acres from the 2003 Cedar blaze in San Diego.

"The Thomas Fire is now the largest wildfire in recorded California history," Cal Fire spokesman Brandon Vaccaro told CNBC late Friday. "The weather has been extremely cooperative, except for some winds we had earlier this week that were not bad."

As of Friday evening, the Thomas fire was 65 percent contained.

If the weather continues to cooperate, firefighters may be able to mop up the remaining portions of the wildfire shortly after Christmas, Vaccaro said. That would end the most destructive and deadly wildfire season in California history.
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The fire started Dec. 4 near the city of Santa Paula in Ventura County.
The cause of the blaze remains under investigation.
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue December 24, 2017, 05:07:59 PM
THIS is the California REWRITE ....

http://beta.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ventura-trauma-20171219-htmlstory.html
Landmarks in ashes, and of memory, confront fire victims in a traumatized Ventura
By Thomas Curwen
Dec 23, 2017 | 4:00 AM

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Initially they asked, “Did you lose your home?” Now it’s, “How are you doing?” in an understanding that possessions matter less than concerns of the heart.
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The residents of Ventura know they are lucky. Their city did not become another Santa Rosa with its myriad tragedies, but then again, they also know that not everyone in Ventura is feeling especially lucky.
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They believed they would be safe. They never imagined a fire like this would darken these December blue skies.
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Sparked in Santa Paula and pushed by Santa Ana winds, the Thomas fire streaked along the southern slopes of Sulfur Mountain. Consuming an acre a second, it crossed 11 canyons before reaching eastern Ventura late on the night of Dec. 4.
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On that Tuesday morning two weeks ago, flames rising 3 feet off the roof, he approached one of the 50 firefighters on the street, who told him that they would have to let the home burn.

“Why?” Jacobson asked.

“The hydrants are dry,” he was told — too much demand throughout the city — and they didn’t want to use the water in their trucks on a home so far gone.
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http://www.vcstar.com/story/news/2017/12/24/crews-battle-barranca-fire-near-camino-real-park-ventura/979732001/
Crews battle barranca fire near Camino Real Park in Ventura
Staff reports Published 12:34 a.m. PT Dec. 24, 2017

Crews battled a fire early Sunday in a barranca in the 4300 block of Whittier Court in Ventura.

The fire was reported at 12:02 a.m. in eucalyptus trees in the barranca near Camino Real Park. The neighborhood is a few blocks south of Ventura College and about halfway between Telegraph Road and Highway 126.

Several units responded and discovered a 100-foot by 100-foot spot fire that was threatening three structures. Crews worked to get the residents out of the structures.
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Crews worked to get the residents out of the structures.

Forward progress of the fire was reported stopped at about 12:30 a.m., and it had been knocked down about 15 minutes later.


http://vvvc.org/
VVVC LogoVietnam Veterans of Ventura County

http://downtownoxnard.org/calendar-item/remember-ventura-county-vietnam-back/
We Remember – Ventura County to Vietnam and Back

Presented by the Oxnard Film Society, a 501 (c)(3) non-profit organization, We Remember – Ventura County to Vietnam and Back is a multimedia exhibit that tells the story of local Ventura County Vietnam Veterans experiences in the Vietnam War through photos and text, video interviews and documentaries.

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On Nov 20, 2017, the Oxnard Film Society, a 501 (c)(3) non-profit organization, will be opening an exhibition entitled, We Remember – Ventura County to Vietnam and Back in downtown Oxnard.

This multimedia exhibit tells the story of local Ventura County Vietnam Veterans experiences in the Vietnam War through photos and text, video interviews and documentaries. The presentation also includes a brief history of Vietnam and Ho Chi Minh, an overview of U.S. foreign diplomacy from FDR to Nixon, the Draft, the Tet Offensive, Anti-War Movement and concludes with a Memorial Wall. The mission of the exhibit is to thank local Vietnam Veterans for their service, to honor the veterans who died in the war and to provide a better understanding of the Vietnam War to students in high school and college and to the community of Oxnard and Ventura County.

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-lists/ca-alpha.pdf

https://www.thedailybeast.com/states-with-the-most-war-casualties
States With the Most War Casualties
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California
Vietnam War: 5,575 deaths
Deaths per man 18-44: .19%
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue January 10, 2018, 11:33:50 AM
Well now the mudslide floods came ... again they could not get people out fast enough ( they should have been evacuated before the storms just in case KNOWING THAT THERE WAS IMMINENT MUDSLIDE DANGER ... BUT NOOO .... 15 dead and climbing .... These people are loopy

Updater .... they were warned to evacuate - but they didn't go !!!!  really ? ? ?


https://www.wsj.com/articles/many-ignored-evacuation-orders-before-mudslides-1515631602
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Of 1,200 people given mandatory evacuation orders in the Montecito area, only 200 heeded the warning to leave, said Shawn Boyd, a spokesman with the California Governor’s Office of Emergency Services, citing preliminary information.

“They all decided they didn’t want to go,” he said. WTF REALLY ? ... sound like bull to me ...

http://www.oprah.com/own-oprahshow/rob-lowe-santa-barbara-home-video_1


https://apnews.com/67ec5e87bbb74130b7ddedc6f61c6fc8/Victim-search-expands-as-California-storm,-mudslides-kill-15
Death toll hits 15 in California mudslides; search goes on

MONTECITO, Calif. (AP) — The death toll from the mudslides that struck Southern California climbed to 15 on Wednesday as rescue crews searched for anyone trapped, injured or dead in the onslaught that smashed homes and swept away cars.

The drenching rainstorm that triggered the disaster cleared out and was no longer a hindrance as searchers made their way across a landscape strewn with boulders and covered shoulder-high in places with mud the consistency of wet cement.

“Right now our assets are focused on determining if anyone is still alive in any of those structures that have been damaged,” Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown said.

He said that several dozen homes were destroyed or severely damaged, and that there are probably many more in similar condition in areas still inaccessible.

At least 15 people were confirmed dead, Santa Barbara County spokeswoman Yaneris Muniz said early Wednesday as the search continued through the night.

At least 25 people were injured, 50 or more had to be rescued by helicopters, and an undetermined number of others were missing, authorities said. Four of the injured were reported in severely critical condition.
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Most of the deaths occurred in and around Montecito, a wealthy enclave of about 9,000 people northwest of Los Angeles that is home to such celebrities as Oprah Winfrey, Rob Lowe and Ellen DeGeneres.

Winfrey’s home survived the mudslides. In an Instagram post on the same day many Democrats were talking about her for president because of her rousing speech at the Golden Globes, she shared photos of the deep mud in her backyard and video of rescue helicopters hovering over her house.

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https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/902732/Montecito-mudslide-map-Oprah-Winfrey-s-house-Santa-Barbara

Oprah’s house, nicknamed “The Promised Land”, is located on a 42-acre site in Montecito with mountain and ocean views, says satellite imagery website virtualglobetrotting.com.

Varsity also reported that Oprah purchased a further $28.85 million to buy horse ranch Seamair Farm in February 2016. The 23.26 acre equestrian estate borders her current home.
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Which other celebrities live in Montecito?

Ellen DeGeneres, host of the The Ellen DeGeneres Show, and actor Rob Lowe are other famous residents of Montecito.
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Other famous people who live in the area include Al Gore, Patrick Stewart, Jane Seymour and Malcolm McDowell.

Ellen has reportedly bought a property next door to Oprah’s, entertainment website TMZ reported last month.
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Actor Rob Lowe, who starred in political drama The West Wing, is one celebrity who lives in Montecito.

He tweeted: “Mourning the dead in our little town tonight. Praying for the survivors and preparing for whatever may come. #Montecito”


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So people in "voluntary" evac zones really know the danger ?  I don't think so

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5258933/Heartbreak-man-searches-mother-Montecito.html
17 swept to their deaths

... "mandatory and voluntary evacuation zones. "
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/10/21/47FB266D00000578-5256007-image-m-47_1515618381292.jpg) (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/10/21/47FA7D6300000578-5256007-image-a-48_1515618388614.jpg)
Sawyer Corey, 12, and Morgan Corey, 25, were swept away from their home. Their mother and other sister was rescued
: Re: The West on Fire - Forest and Timber Mis-Management and Agenda 21
: TahoeBlue January 12, 2018, 12:46:01 PM
Now the death toll maybe up with the Napa Fires :

43 people are missing Plus the 17 confirmed dead ...

The MSM continues to bury the stories and the dead

It is still unclear to me who was killed , were they voluntary evacs refusniks or mandatory ,..

notice this cnn story only saying mandatory ... ? did these people get the word ? did they know the danger ?
 


http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/us/southern-california-mudslides/index.html

 (CNN)As teams frantically searched areas of Southern California smothered by rivers of mud and boulders, officials on Thursday increased the size of the evacuation zones.

The immediate areas where at least 17 people were killed are under mandatory evacuation, Santa Barbara
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At an afternoon news conference Sheriff Bill Brown  said as many as 43 people could be considered missing.

Authorities have not confirmed that many people are unaccounted for, he said, but are looking into reports from phone calls, social media and message boards.
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"We certainly are searching for a miracle right now," he said.

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