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9/11/2001 Attacks Were An Inside Job => Other False Flags Throughout History => 7/7 => : weegie1 June 24, 2009, 12:19:02 PM

: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: weegie1 June 24, 2009, 12:19:02 PM
The programme, to be shown on BBC Two at 9pm on Tuesday 30 June shows that on one occasion one sceptic was right and spotted a significant error in the Home Office narrative. The government had to apologise for suggesting in a report, nearly a year after the attacks, that the four bombers had boarded a train which had actually been cancelled.

However, crucially the government insists the bombers were still able to get to London on time, because they caught an earlier train, which was delayed leaving Luton.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77.html

I wonder if Peter Power will be interviewed.
: Re: BBC to broadcast a new documentary defending the official story on 7/7
: ChristSavage June 24, 2009, 12:23:19 PM
Go figure, they air it 1 week before the anniversary.  I don't get BBC in America so it'll be interesting the BS they put out.  Talk about massive disinfo, that's exactly what this "new" documentary will be.
: Re: BBC to broadcast a new documentary defending the official story on 7/7
: Voskhod3 June 24, 2009, 12:27:54 PM
I wonder will they show us the rest of the CCTV pictures and videos?
: Re: BBC to broadcast a new documentary defending the official story on 7/7
: matrixcutter June 24, 2009, 12:41:55 PM
This is the one they would be playing if they actually wanted people to be aware of the facts.  Obviously, they don't.  In fact, that's the very opposite of the entire purpose of the BBC.

7/7 Ripple Effect (57mins)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8756795263359807776

N.B.  This video is freely available to download at the above URL, so if you haven't already, download it.  And share it.
: Re: BBC to broadcast a new documentary defending the official story on 7/7
: TheHouseMan June 24, 2009, 12:52:12 PM
The thing about the guy missing the train was captured in 7/7 Ripple Effect. it's going to be interesting to try and see BBC debunk this. They always have a petty excuse, like their pathetic answer for why they reported building 7 20 mins early.
: Re: BBC to broadcast a new documentary defending the official story on 7/7
: Voskhod3 June 24, 2009, 12:52:47 PM
They have only ever show 3 pictures of that day.

One at Luton Train Station and two of the alledged bus-bomber, one outside Boots the Chemist at Kings-Cross and one going up an escalator - both close CROPPED pictures.

The official report refers to other pictures that we're never been allowed to see.

The question is why?

London is the CCTV capitol of the world, there should be pictures all along their journey.


: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Dig June 24, 2009, 12:54:42 PM
The programme, to be shown on BBC Two at 9pm on Tuesday 30 June shows that on one occasion one sceptic was right and spotted a significant error in the Home Office narrative. The government had to apologise for suggesting in a report, nearly a year after the attacks, that the four bombers had boarded a train which had actually been cancelled.

However, crucially the government insists the bombers were still able to get to London on time, because they caught an earlier train, which was delayed leaving Luton.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77.html

I wonder if Peter Power will be interviewed.


Looks like they too many people in England know the truth, why else would be running a new disinfo campaign?

Total psyops, not one fact will be included in the documentary.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Mike Philbin June 24, 2009, 12:58:18 PM
there are CCTV cameras at every street corner, on every bus, on every train and every tube from Leeds to London.

oh, the CCTV FAILED on the day, that was fortunate for the "official story".

you know, this all stinks to HIGH HELL and back.

and even IF the CCTV footage had worked, it would just show four ACTORS playing their part in a SIMULATION that became REALITY, some of whom didn't make it to their mark on time or so it seems.

The facts in this case are FINALLY beginning to piss me off (!)

Bet they don't mention their escaping FALL GUY Jean Charles de Menezes either in that BBC show - one wonders why he was running down into the tube anyway - dead end, literally.  It's like all the things I used to believe about the BBC, you know honesty great reporting quality programming have all been shot to shit since Blair and Bush gathered together over the cauldron.

I hate Thatcher Thatcher milk snatcher but at least the told the Global Elite to f**k OFF.
: Re: BBC to broadcast a new documentary defending the official story on 7/7
: phasma June 24, 2009, 12:58:52 PM
They have only ever show 3 pictures of that day.

One at Luton Train Station and two of the alledged bus-bomber, one outside Boots the Chemist at Kings-Cross and one going up an escalator - both close CROPPED pictures.

The official report refers to other pictures that we're never been allowed to see.

The question is why?

London is the CCTV capitol of the world, there should be pictures all along their journey.


They have no pictures because the israeli owned security firm in charge of the london underground cctv had issues and none of the cameras worked that day !
(odd that the israelis knew what was gonna happen that day too huh - the netanyahu warning - but i guess thats just a coincidence.

You know what we need - a million cd`s - post them through every single door in our neighbourhoods - its hard to fight when we have no tv channel to air this stuff on !
(now theres an idea !)
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Voskhod3 June 24, 2009, 12:59:19 PM
I wonder if Peter Power will be interviewed.

I think he almost certainly will be!!!

He has all his ducks in a row now.

He will probably trot out the excuse he released a while back.

It was all coincidence.

The exact same scenario, same stations, same lines... all coincidence.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Dig June 24, 2009, 01:00:58 PM
there are CCTV cameras at every street corner, on every bus, on every tube.

oh, they FAILED on the day, that was fortunate for the "official story".

you know, this all stinks to HIGH HELL and back.

and even IF the CCTV footage had worked, it would just show four ACTORS playing their part in a SIMULATION that became REALITY.

The facts in this case are FINALLY beginning to piss me off

Bet they don't mention their escaping FALL GUY Jean Charles de Menezes either in that BBC show.  It's like all the things I used to believe about the BBC, you know honesty great reporting quality programming have all been shot to shit since Blair and Bush gathered together over the cauldron.

I hate Thatcher Thatcher milk snatcher but at least the told the Global Elite to f**k OFF.

There are over 40 cameras on every bus.

There are over 2 million cameras in the city of London alone.

The bullshit is stacking up so high you will need to be in the "eye" in order to get above it (BTW - ever car in the "eye" has over 20 cameras in it)
: Re: BBC to broadcast a new documentary defending the official story on 7/7
: Voskhod3 June 24, 2009, 01:01:25 PM
They have no pictures because the israeli owned security firm in charge of the london underground cctv had issues and none of the cameras worked that day !
(odd that the israelis knew what was gonna happen that day too huh - the netanyahu warning - but i guess thats just a coincidence.

You know what we need - a million cd`s - post them through every single door in our neighbourhoods - its hard to fight when we have no tv channel to air this stuff on !
(now theres an idea !)

That's not quite true.

The official report mentions other pictures.

From memory.. there is supposedly at least one picture of them at Kings Cross all saying goodbye to each other.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: phasma June 24, 2009, 01:03:29 PM
There are over 40 cameras on every bus.

There are over 2 million cameras in the city of London alone.

The bullshit is stacking up so high you will need to be in the "eye" in order to get above it (BTW - ever car in the "eye" has over 20 cameras in it)

Its so clearly bullcrap that the stink of it should be choking people to high heaven - and yet they accept it !?

Why??????

You can guarantee this thing will be yeah we messed up at the start - by the end there will be the pictures of the terrorists and ppl missing bits and a threat it could happen again . . .
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: weegie1 June 24, 2009, 03:51:06 PM
When Bruce Lait made this statement.

The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_royston/displayarticle.asp?id=211633

He soon received a very important visitor

(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3446/245125418fa217403a.jpg)

And will they call the advert on the bus just another bizarre coincidence.

(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/595/buslarge.jpg)

This should make for interesting viewing.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: phasma June 24, 2009, 03:54:41 PM
Is it coincidence that this is on the same night as the 7/7 truth meeting in london - where daniel obachike is talking about his experiences and what MI5 did to him after ?
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: netizen_x June 24, 2009, 04:13:38 PM
Let's get some pertinent facts on the BBC.

From the Wiki:

The British Broadcasting Corporation, almost always referred to by its abbreviation "the BBC",[1] is the world's largest broadcaster.[2] In common with the public broadcasting organisations of many other European countries, it is funded yearly by a television licence fee charged to all UK households

A compulsory tax

which own a television capable of receiving broadcasts, rather than being underwritten directly by the Government of the United Kingdom. Formally, this is mostly because the BBC was founded by, and is operating under, a Royal Charter granted by the British monarch.

Enough said...

British Broadcasting Company was founded in 1922 by a group of six telecommunications companies—Marconi, Radio Communication Company, Metropolitan-Vickers, General Electric, Western Electric, and British Thomson-Houston[3]—to broadcast experimental radio services.

Big corporations. New World Order.

A BBC Radio 4 documentary in 2005 claimed that it had evidence that a radio newsreader inserted the word "exactly" into a midnight timecheck one summer night in 1953, a code word to the shah of Iran that Britain supported his plans for a coup. The shah had selected the word, the documentary said, and the BBC broadcast the word at the request of the government. Officially, the BBC has never acknowledged the code word plot. The BBC spokesman declined to comment on a possible connection.[61][62]

Declined to comment....hmmmmm

The BBC has received criticism in recent times over its coverage of the events leading up to the war in Iraq.[79] The controversy over what it described as the "sexing up" of the case for war in Iraq by the government, led to the BBC being heavily criticised by the Hutton Inquiry,[80] although this finding was much disputed by the British press.[81]

Hmmmmm....

And the BBC reported that building 7 of the WTC had collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did. But obviously this is not allowed to be mentioned at wikipedia because it isn't.

: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: weegie1 June 24, 2009, 04:51:27 PM
Is it coincidence that this is on the same night as the 7/7 truth meeting in London - where Daniel obachike is talking about his experiences and what MI5 did to him after ?

I'm not convinced by Daniel Obachike. There are no pictures of him being anywhere near the bus, and some of the statements he makes just don't add up.If you go along to this meeting I'd love to read your thoughts. :)

You can read more about him and his book here.

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/j7-book-review-daniel-obachike-the-fourth-bomb.html
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: phasma June 24, 2009, 04:53:07 PM
I'm not convinced by Daniel Obachike. There are no pictures of him being anywhere near the bus, and some of the statements he makes just don't add up.If you go along to this meeting I'd love to read your thoughts. :)

You can read more about him and his book here.

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/j7-book-review-daniel-obachike-the-fourth-bomb.html
Ive read it already thanks !
There is one pic of him sitting on the wall behind the bus i recall.
Interesting anyway - i will go if i can !
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: kushfiend June 24, 2009, 05:03:40 PM
When Bruce Lait made this statement.

The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/cn_news_royston/displayarticle.asp?id=211633

He soon received a very important visitor

(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3446/245125418fa217403a.jpg)

And will they call the advert on the bus just another bizarre coincidence.

(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/595/buslarge.jpg)

This should make for interesting viewing.

Woah!  That is crazy I wonder what the queen told his dumbass, haha!  "Shut your damn mouth, ppl are going to figure out this is just to scare them into Iraq!"

That is equally crazy banner in that picture, a def shout out to the illuminati.  Terror, bold and brilliant.

These sick f**kwads make me want to puke!
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Scootle June 24, 2009, 08:16:33 PM
So the corporation that reported on the collapse of WTC7 20 minutes before it happened, reported on hijackers being alive after the event, ignored the debris 8 miles away from flight 93's crash site, mentioned that one of Stephen Jones dust samples was collected only 20 minutes after the north towers collapse but then said the microspheres were caused by cleanup operations, lied about WTC7's collapse time by starting the clock early, manipulated Barry Jennings' timeline, covered up his death and asserted that thermite cannot demolish a building ... but fire can(!) are now airing a 7/7 documentary are they?!

... I'm sure it will be very informative ::)  ...

Let's hope they have a new narrator for this one... that chick has the most annoying voice ever...
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Lin Kuei June 24, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
In regards to the extremely suspicious advertisement on the bus, the film was "The Descent", and came out the day after the bombings on July 8th 2005.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Descentposter.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Descent

A similar 'message to those who understand' was featured during the Bali Bombings of 2002, which forced Indonesia to participate in the 'war on terror' (they had previously refused - and were warned of 'possible events' if they did not reconsider), and also inspired support in Australia's public for the country's involvement in the Iraq & Afghanistan wars (many aussies died in the attack).
The site of the biggest and most suspicious explosion was at the Sari Club.  During this very period the nightclub was holding the following promotion event:
(http://southeastasianews.org/images/bp76.jpg)
(http://southeastasianews.org/images/BaliBombPoster_.jpg)

Sick shit, huh?  Note the blast radii and people on fire in the background... "Ultimate Explosion Party" is also a play on words, because the official story maintains the bomb was potassium chlorate - but strangely this kind of device is not capable of leaving the kinds of damage seen at the site, including a massive crater and buildings/cars destroyed over huge distances, as well as vaporized victims and concrete peeled back to its inner mesh...
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: rio June 24, 2009, 11:08:48 PM
This announcement comes right after an official calls for a new investigation.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: phasma June 25, 2009, 04:31:15 AM
so is anyone gonna go to obachikes 7/7 meeting and uk truther movement expos`e next week - or do we think that watching this thing will be more useful?
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Mike Philbin June 25, 2009, 04:51:14 AM
has anyone told MAIN STREAM MEDIA that Obachike is doing this presentation in London on the same night as the BBC 7/7 whitewash is show on telly?

I'll inform some newspapers if someone here hasn't already...

:)
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: phasma June 25, 2009, 05:55:32 AM
has anyone told MAIN STREAM MEDIA that Obachike is doing this presentation in London on the same night as the BBC 7/7 whitewash is show on telly?

I'll inform some newspapers if someone here hasn't already...

:)
Yeah good idea. I don`t know how interested they will be but its worth a try. . .maybe ch4 might be a good one to approach ? or the telegraph ! LOL !

: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Mike Philbin June 25, 2009, 05:58:04 AM
.. or the telegraph ! LOL !

Yeah, they could put their crack train-rider Justin Williams on the case. That's be sweeeeeeeeeet.

;)
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: phasma June 25, 2009, 06:03:11 AM
Yeah, they could put their crack train-rider Justin Williams on the case. That's be sweeeeeeeeeet.

;)

Shall we call up and suggest they cover it?

i`ll tweet @ justin and see if he`ll go !
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Scootle June 25, 2009, 06:04:31 AM
I wonder how the BBC are gonna explain how they themselves aired a propaganda piece in may 2004 about a fictional terrorist attack on three tube trains and a road vehicle... with PETER POWER IN IT!
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Voskhod3 June 25, 2009, 06:08:39 AM
Peter Power has been involved in TWO amazing coincidences involving 7/7 - before and during.

I'm sure he's going to be on the program, they've had enough time to think about it, it will be the excuse he came out with last year (I think)... it was just an on-paper operation that was an incredible coincidence.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: phasma June 25, 2009, 06:16:07 AM
I wonder how the BBC are gonna explain how they themselves aired a propaganda piece in may 2004 about a fictional terrorist attack on three tube trains and a road vehicle... with PETER POWER IN IT!

They just wont mention it ! pretend it didnt happen.
They are focussing on the "the 7.40 train never ran" argument mostly - will implicate themselves as little as possible.

Maybe we ought to ask someone else to investigate the bbc reporting on WTC7. Attack this thing one bite at a time . . .

Will be interesting to hear what he says - see if he drops any hints of future exercises !!!
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Scootle June 25, 2009, 06:20:21 AM
Peter Power did say a few months ago when he named the company that he was in a conspiracy files program that was delayed ... he'll be in it... and they'll name the company but not investigate further... just like how they said the WTC7 collapse report came from Reuters but didnt go further. Then they'll make up some BS about Peter Power being "harrassed" just like what they did with Jane Standley. Then of course they'll include the obligatory family member sob story saying how we're hurting them etc... completely ignoring the family members and survivors who do question the official account. They'll make no mention of the bandaged actor Obachike saw at the bus 12 seconds after the blast... they'll probably make no mention of the fact that metal and tiles on the tube trains were blown upwards by the blasts (which there is even photographic proof of) ... and if they do they'll make up some new law of physics like they did with WTC7's collapse and Kennedy's back-and-to-the-left head motion. They'll go with the official conspiracy theory without providing a single shred of evidence to support it.

It's not even aired and im already debunking it... they're so predictable
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Voskhod3 June 25, 2009, 06:23:13 AM
they'll probably make no mention of the fact that metal and tiles on the tube trains were blown upwards by the blasts (which there is even photographic proof of) ...

Interesting.. got a link?
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Scootle June 25, 2009, 06:31:12 AM
(http://www.911kemet.co.uk/mmedia/edgeware_tube_bomb.jpg)
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Voskhod3 June 25, 2009, 06:34:09 AM
(http://www.911kemet.co.uk/mmedia/edgeware_tube_bomb.jpg)

That's not all that convincing, in fact I'm struggling to see where the "blown upwards" is, I see lots of blown downwards though.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Scootle June 25, 2009, 06:40:21 AM
There's also this radio interview with a reporter who spoke to some survivors and some decribed tiles that "flew up"

(http://www.911kemet.co.uk/mmedia/mark_honigsbaum__guardian.jpg)

Audio (RealPlayer): http://www.augu51.dsl.pipex.com/mmedia/honisbaum_070705(1).ra
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: phasma June 25, 2009, 06:46:04 AM
Interesting.. got a link?
Well documented - even some where back in this thread i think?

They can try to re invent the laws of physics but they cant get away from the fact that explosive force pushes things away !
The floor coming up and people being thrown up in the air would suggest an under train blast (also one atleast was derailed - london tube rails are pretty deep, I cant confirm it as impossible, but i think a blast in the train above the wheels would push them down not up !
People carrying backpacks are common so many people would have seen some one with one.

Peter power has been very quiet since 7/7 and his numerous interviews afterwards - perhaps he thought the fact that his simulation so strangely and closely mirrored the attacks that people would think he was great at disaster preparation !?
If he appears again now we had better get ready for something !

If they have footage then lets see it !
What can be the reason they are witholding it?
I wonder how many spooks will go to Obachikes meeting? A fair few I guess.

the original article seems to have disappeared but here a copy of it on rense:
Bomb Was UNDER
The Train Says Eyewitness
Closest To It
7-25-5
 
"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.
  
Full story -
  
'I Was In The Tube Bomb Carriage - And Survived'
 
Cambridge Evening News - UK
7-25-5
  
Cambridge dancer Bruce Lait has spoken of his miraculous escape when a bomb exploded just yards away from him in a Tube train carriage.
  
The 32-year-old was knocked out by the blast and awoke to a terrible scene of devastation in the underground tunnel near London's Aldgate East station.
  
Mr Lait, who teaches dance in Cambridge, believes he and his dance partner Crystal Main were the only passengers in the carriage who survived the blast without serious injury - even though they were sitting nearest to where the bomb detonated.
  
When he came to, there was a body lying on top of him and he was surrounded by the dead and injured. But incredibly, the only wounds the dance coach sustained were facial lacerations and a perforated eardrum.
  
"I feel extremely, extremely lucky," he said.
  
The explosion happened just after Mr Lait and Ms Main, 23, got on the train at Liverpool Street on their way to the South Bank for a rehearsal.
  
He recalled that the carriage had about 20-25 people in it, from all walks of life, and aged from their teens to over 60.
  
"I remember an Asian guy, there was a white guy with tracksuit trousers and a baseball cap, and there were two old ladies sitting opposite me," he said.
  
"We'd been on there for a minute at most and then something happened. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums. I can still hear that sound now," he said.
  
The impact of the blast made him pass out. As he came to, he wondered whether he was alive or dead.
  
"We were right in the carriage where the bomb was. I was knocked out. I did not know what was going on.
  
"I wondered if I was dead or not. I said to myself, you can't be dead because your brain is having conscious thoughts, so concentrate hard. I was telling myself 'wake up Bruce, wake up'."
  
Disorientated, he only gradually realised where he was and what had happened.
  
"When I woke up and looked around I saw darkness, smoke and wreckage. It took a while to realise where I was and what was going on, then my first concern was for Crystal.
  
"She was okay but she was in shock because she was trying to deal with the person on top of her who had massive head injuries. We have just found out that this person died," said Mr Lait, who lives in Suffolk.
  
He too was afraid to move because there was a seriously injured woman lying on top of him.
  
"I realised someone was lying on top of me. I tried not to move her because I didn't know if she was still alive, or I could have made it worse. This person also died, while on top of me."
  
At the same time, he slowly tried to work out whether he or Crystal had been injured.
  
"I thought if I can wiggle my toes I'm okay, and I could, and I asked Crystal to do the same."
  
Describing the scene as they waited for help, he said: "It was just the most awful scene of death and there were body parts everywhere. There was something next to me. I was trying not to look. I couldn't figure out what it was."
  
When paramedics arrived, they confirmed that the woman on top of him was dead and carefully moved her body. Mr Lait said the middle-aged woman had blonde curly hair, was dressed in black, and could have been a businesswoman.
  
He and Crystal were helped out of the carriage. As they made their way out, a policeman pointed out where the bomb had been. It was like a huge electricity surge which knocked us out and burst our eardrums.
  
"The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said.
  
They were led through the tunnel to the platform at Aldgate, which was just a few hundred yards away, and taken out of the station to wait for an ambulance.
  
Mr Lait was taken to the Royal London Hospital, Whitechapel, where he was visited by the Queen on Friday.
  
He said: "They asked would I mind if my name were put forward and I said I'd love to meet the Queen, even if the circumstances weren't ideal."
  
Sitting with his parents, Pat and Tom, Mr Lait told the Queen as she stood at his bedside: "I'm very thankful to still be here."
  
He said of Her Majesty: "She just seemed very nice and concerned, she seemed very genuine."
  
Now back at home, he has been trying to recover from the ordeal, with the help of friends and family.
  
Mr Lait, who teaches the Latin formation team XS, based in Cambridge, and the Cambridge Dancers' Club, said he has been moved by people's care and consideration.
  
And he said the terrible experience has given him a new outlook on life.
  
"It has made me realise how important life is, and that we only get one life, and we've got to be happy with what we've got in our lives."
  
Reflecting on the ordeal, he said: "Out of that whole carriage, I think Crystal and I were the only ones who were not seriously injured, and I think we were nearest the bomb.
  
"It makes me thank Him up there. I'm not overly religious but I'm not a disbeliever. I pray now and again. Something like this has just made me think, 'thank you Lord'."  

: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: netizen_x June 25, 2009, 06:52:53 AM
That's not all that convincing, in fact I'm struggling to see where the "blown upwards" is, I see lots of blown downwards though.

Yeah, unless that's the ceiling Scootie. Get it right, get it right. We got a lot of evidence so don't muddy the waters with questionable speculations.  Or you may end up like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydXtCpYimN8
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: phasma June 25, 2009, 06:55:10 AM
some interesteing vids - inc cctv (or video?) from just after the bomb blast (oh, no that cant be right there wasn`t any right?)

http://www.the4thbomb.com/conclusive-obachike-cctv-evidence/
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Scootle June 25, 2009, 07:20:30 AM
There's a big black jaged piece of twisted metal sticking up on the left side!

... That vid is interesting ... the way it jerked was like a remote controlled camera...

There was definately a camera the other side of it...

(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5530/trafficcam772.png)

And another one ...

(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1572/trafficcam77.png)

Wonder why they didn't catch the blast...
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Voskhod3 June 25, 2009, 07:24:16 AM
(http://www.911kemet.co.uk/mmedia/edgeware_tube_bomb.jpg)

Seriously.. anyone who sees this picture as evidence of "blown upwards" is crazy.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Mike Philbin June 25, 2009, 07:37:32 AM
here's an interesting interview with Belgrano Enquiry's Nick Kollestrum:
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&q=Nick+Kollerstrom&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=il9DSsfeK9GrjAfgq_mtDw&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=307354145#

there are many who are debunking Nick Kollestrom, but he's the guy who's accompanying Obachike on the 7/7 presentation at the end of the month in London.

Obachike says this is conclusive 'cctv' footage that he was there, in Tavistock Square, on the day of the bus bombing. Blink, you'll miss it. But he's there.
http://www.the4thbomb.com/conclusive-obachike-cctv-evidence/
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: weegie1 June 26, 2009, 02:34:34 PM
Peter Power comments on the Documentary

79. At 09:33am on 26 Jun 2009, PGPOwer wrote:

Several months ago I supported the BBC team making the subsequently postponed 7/7 Conspiracy Files programme (now to be broadcast 0n 30 June) as I had the temerity to say on UK TV on 7 July 2005 that my company had that day also run an exercise involving simultaneous bombs on the London underground. A few days before so had more than one major London based origination and before that a BBC Panorama programme had done the same thing. The point being that the underground system in London has since 1885, been one of the most attacked structures in the UK apart from Belfast.

It follows that a company like ours that helps many organisations prepare for crises (a) always seeks to run one or more client based exercises and (b) will choose a scenario based on a realistic threat analysis. My comment on TV four years ago was intended to encourage others to do the same and at a time when the terrorist threat level remains very high to test their response in advance.

A message on this site dated 24 June mistakenly says that both 9/11 & 7/7 the respective governments were engaged in training simulations. The inaccurate assumption being our exercise that day was part of government training.

Regrettably there are many people who will always put conspiracy above coincidence and we still get menacing or otherwise nuisance emails and telephone calls every day.

Having already made available to the BBC our unexpurgated exercise material used in 2005 I look forward to this programme on 30 June and hope it will debunk some of the rather bizarre stories. However, I would still rather live in an open society where people can challenge official statements, but they in turn must be prepared to reconsider their assumptions if a cogent case is made to separate fact from fiction. I hope this will be the case next week.

Peter Power

post 79 at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77.html#P82059290


 His point seems to be that it is quite normal for private companies to run practice drills simulating attacks on the London underground,perhaps there are terrorists everywhere.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Dig June 26, 2009, 04:10:11 PM
Peter Power comments on the Documentary

79. At 09:33am on 26 Jun 2009, PGPOwer wrote:

Several months ago I supported the BBC team making the subsequently postponed 7/7 Conspiracy Files programme (now to be broadcast 0n 30 June) as I had the temerity to say on UK TV on 7 July 2005 that my company had that day also run an exercise involving simultaneous bombs on the London underground. A few days before so had more than one major London based origination and before that a BBC Panorama programme had done the same thing. The point being that the underground system in London has since 1885, been one of the most attacked structures in the UK apart from Belfast.

It follows that a company like ours that helps many organisations prepare for crises (a) always seeks to run one or more client based exercises and (b) will choose a scenario based on a realistic threat analysis. My comment on TV four years ago was intended to encourage others to do the same and at a time when the terrorist threat level remains very high to test their response in advance.

A message on this site dated 24 June mistakenly says that both 9/11 & 7/7 the respective governments were engaged in training simulations. The inaccurate assumption being our exercise that day was part of government training.

Regrettably there are many people who will always put conspiracy above coincidence and we still get menacing or otherwise nuisance emails and telephone calls every day.

Having already made available to the BBC our unexpurgated exercise material used in 2005 I look forward to this programme on 30 June and hope it will debunk some of the rather bizarre stories. However, I would still rather live in an open society where people can challenge official statements, but they in turn must be prepared to reconsider their assumptions if a cogent case is made to separate fact from fiction. I hope this will be the case next week.

Peter Power

post 79 at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77.html#P82059290


 His point seems to be that it is quite normal for private companies to run practice drills simulating attacks on the London underground,perhaps there are terrorists everywhere.

OMFG, I am hanging a picture of him with the above comment on the wall in my office so that I can stare at the completely scattered cockroaches as the scatter about when truth shines a light.

That is the funniest fricking thing I read in a long time, post that everywhere.  It is Pulitzer worthy information!
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Scootle June 26, 2009, 05:12:37 PM
Yeh... the officials just love to use the word coincidence don't they...

An amateur marksman gets of 3 shots with an old italian bolt action rifle in 6 seconds and scores two hits on a moving target including a head shot... creating 7 wounds in two people ... COINCIDENCE

Aload of training exercises  involving aircraft hijackings, false radar blips, planes crashing into buildings, doomsday planes in washington and NY and terrorism in NY on 9/11 ... COINCIDENCE

First 3 skyscrapers globally collapsing primarily due to fire in one day ... COINCIDENCE

All the cameras not working in the tunnel in Paris the night Diana died ... COINCIDENCE

An anti-terror exercise on 7/7 involving simultaneous bombs going off at the exact three trainstations as the actual attacks ... COINCIDENCE

Human history has defied impossible odds ... we should have made a bet...
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Mike Philbin June 26, 2009, 05:22:02 PM
yeah, the ODDS of these coincidences ... didn't they go into something 10 ^ 35 or some insane number like that?

God is clearly on the N.W.O.'s side, eh?

Eh?
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Scootle June 26, 2009, 05:31:05 PM
10^43 just for the 7/7 exercise coincidence... probably the biggest coincidence of them all is the fact that all these events have coincidences. There's not been one major event in the last century that hasnt been shrowded in coincidence... im pretty sure if u add up all the coincidences for each event... then take all the coincidences in all the events into account it will be summit like 1 in a googolplex ... the coincidences surrounding 9/11 alone would be more than a googol.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: netizen_x June 26, 2009, 05:31:50 PM
Yeh... the officials just love to use the word coincidence don't they...

An amateur marksman gets of 3 shots with an old italian bolt action rifle in 6 seconds and scores two hits on a moving target including a head shot... creating 7 wounds in two people ... COINCIDENCE

Aload of training exercises  involving aircraft hijackings, false radar blips, planes crashing into buildings, doomsday planes in washington and NY and terrorism in NY on 9/11 ... COINCIDENCE

First 3 skyscrapers globally collapsing primarily due to fire in one day ... COINCIDENCE

All the cameras not working in the tunnel in Paris the night Diana died ... COINCIDENCE

An anti-terror exercise on 7/7 involving simultaneous bombs going off at the exact three trainstations as the actual attacks ... COINCIDENCE

Human history has defied impossible odds ... we should have made a bet...

Nice, concise, precise.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: JBS June 28, 2009, 08:19:38 PM
Where does the BBC get off being the propaganda front for the us govt? What is their advantage to perpetuate propaganda lies?
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: agentbluescreen June 28, 2009, 08:36:54 PM
Where does the BBC get off being the propaganda front for the us govt? What is their advantage to perpetuate propaganda lies?

Wilson surrendered to Rothschild and Truman surrendered to Churchill at Potsdam, there is and has been no stinking "US government" since Theodore Roosevelt!

We all live under the unconstitutional conservatist bankstering corporate christian fascist usury mafia, it's criminal Pentagon standing army and it's MI6/CIA/Mossad enemy manufacturing propaganda dictatorships!

The MI6 manufactures enemies to extort wasteful loans for a helpless slave people to support massive useless destructive political war machinery that pays the parasite banksters huge profits for the costs of their own criminal conquests paid for by the slaves, and makes their agendas alone, no matter how perverse, destructive malignant and criminal, the only agendas.

Adopting the tools of tyranny to "fight it" is alway a total surrender to blind unreasoning fear!

It is a fools war, lost by the willing default of advanced surrenders.

: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: agentbluescreen June 28, 2009, 08:48:43 PM
Wilson surrendered to Rothschild and Truman surrendered to Churchill at Potsdam, there is and has been no stinking "US government" since Theodore Roosevelt!

We all live under the unconstitutional conservatist bankstering corporate christian fascist usury mafia, it's criminal Pentagon standing army and it's MI6/CIA/Mossad enemy manufacturing propaganda dictatorships!

The MI6 manufactures enemies to extort wasteful loans for, and freedoms from their helpless slave people to support massive useless destructive political war machinery that pays the parasite banksters huge profits for the costs of their own criminal conquests paid for by the slaves, and makes their agendas alone, no matter how perverse, destructive malignant and criminal, the only agendas.

Adopting the tools of tyranny to "fight it" is alway a total surrender to blind unreasoning fear!

It is a fools war, lost by the willing default of advanced surrenders.


: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: phasma June 29, 2009, 04:14:52 AM
Lest we forget this thing is on tomorrow !

So is that truth meeting in london.

some body here have the capability to record the thing on the beeb? for the ppl here who may not get to watch !
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Scootle June 29, 2009, 04:57:25 AM
It will probably be on the torrent networks shortly after. If it as bad as I'm pretty sure its gonna be im probably gonna download it and make a rebuttal video.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: weegie1 June 29, 2009, 11:53:53 AM
Anyone who was planning to go to the event in London should check that it’s still going ahead. According to Indymedia the antifascist movement have complained to the Conway hall about Nick Kollerstrom speaking as he has made comments in the past about Holocaust denial.

 http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/06/433062.html


According to Daniel Obachike site it’s still going ahead. 

http://www.the4thbomb.com/
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Scootle June 29, 2009, 12:02:43 PM
O great ... a holocaust denier... seriously WTF is up with british truthers? ... David Icke believes in Reptilians... David Shayler's a no-planer ... Daniel Obachike is overly paranoid... these people discredit themselves... pretty much the only sane one is Annie Machon.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Voskhod3 June 29, 2009, 12:18:29 PM
O great ... a holocaust denier... seriously WTF is up with british truthers? ... David Icke believes in Reptilians... David Shayler's a no-planer ... Daniel Obachike is overly paranoid... these people discredit themselves... pretty much the only sane one is Annie Machon.

What is holocaust denial?
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Mike Philbin June 29, 2009, 12:33:30 PM
Daniel Obachike is HEALTHILY paranoid.

:)
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: weegie1 June 29, 2009, 12:44:26 PM
O great ... a holocaust denier... seriously WTF is up with british truthers? ... David Icke believes in Reptilians... David Shayler's a no-planer ... Daniel Obachike is overly paranoid... these people discredit themselves... pretty much the only sane one is Annie Machon.

 It gets so much more interesting Daniel Obachike has said he will be presenting evidence that proves “we are change UK” are run by the MOD, the J7 forums have accused Nick Kollerstrom of plagiarising there work for his new book, and the antifascists are up in arms about Kollerstrom.

http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=17469&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

 Does anyone know which of this group aren’t spooks?

 All we need is someone to start a “no trainers group”
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: netizen_x June 29, 2009, 02:56:06 PM
I think it's quite clear that we should stop focusing on spectacles and concentrate on informing the people. Spectacles are the specialism of the powers that be. Spectacles are the circuses but the people need bread and food for thought. Wherever there is groupthink, big brother will be there. Individual think will bust his sorry ass.
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Stan June 29, 2009, 03:54:07 PM
O great ... a holocaust denier... seriously WTF is up with british truthers? ... David Icke believes in Reptilians... David Shayler's a no-planer ... Daniel Obachike is overly paranoid... these people discredit themselves... pretty much the only sane one is Annie Machon.

Maybe that's one of the revelations we'll hear tomorrow. Daniel will declare himself the son of God.

Although I do like seeing the poorly named anti-fascists wound up, so it's swings and roundabouts really.
: Tonight 9pm BBC2-The Conspiracy Files-7/7 Bombings
: jack dempsey June 30, 2009, 07:40:06 AM
This is from the makers of the Building 7 programme that some derided as a hit peice.Personally I thought anyone who watched it would have came away with plenty of questions to answer and that Richard Gage and Dylan Avery were given a fair hearing.At least tonights show might start people asking similar questions.
: Re: BBC2 9PM: new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Danis June 30, 2009, 11:04:38 AM
BBC Shite: Unmasking the mysterious 7/7 conspiracy theorist (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8124687.stm)

The amount of crap in the little video is plain journalism crap. They went all out on Character assasination too.

edit: would help if I can put the link in properly.
: Re: BBC2 9PM: new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Scootle June 30, 2009, 11:44:03 AM
I'm speechless... that video has actually rendered me speechless ... i cannot believe what I just watched ... its gonna be even worse than i thought...
: Re: BBC2 9PM: new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: jack dempsey June 30, 2009, 11:50:48 AM
 Fact that they're even bothering to make a programme on this shows they're havin to make a response to those who've been questioning official story.Even if they attempt to uphold the Govt. narrative plenty of public watchin will be unconvinced.
: Re: BBC2 9PM: new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: Danis June 30, 2009, 11:52:29 AM
I'm speechless... that video has actually rendered me speechless ... i cannot believe what I just watched ... its gonna be even worse than i thought...

I think this video has tipped my final decision, and other recent crap, into continuing with my PP subscription come August.
: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 12:50:31 PM
NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7

BBC Radio Times review  (http://www.radiotimes.com/ListingsServlet?event=10&channelId=105&programmeId=99141244&jspLocation=/jsp/prog_details_fullpage.jsp)


DOCUMENTARY

7/7: The Conspiracy Files

Highlight Tuesday 30 June  9:00pm -   10:00pm  BBC2

The makers of the series separating fact from overheated fiction have produced this programme on England's worst terrorist atrocity.

There have been three official reports into the London bombings on 7 July 2005, but for a network of sceptics these are no more than a cover-up job for what they believe was a government conspiracy to frame British Muslims.

The programme was still being edited as RT went to press, but it promises to help defuse some of the wilful paranoia that flourishes online.
 
Radio Times reviewer - David Butcher

VIDEO Plus+: 2011

Subtitled, Widescreen, Audio-described

Directed by: Tristan Quinn
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 12:55:43 PM
Tristan Quinn

Tristan Quinn made Panorama: "Faith, Hate and Charity",

here is the retraction from the BBC Press Office
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/07_july/30/panorama.shtml

For example

Asked by Panorama's John Ware if the Commission's investigation in 2003 could be described as "rigorous", Kenneth Dibble, Director, Legal and Charity Services replies: "It was an investigation which followed a particular concern and focus."
 
Ware: "But it wasn't widespread?"
 
Dibble: "It wasn't in depth."




: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 12:59:24 PM
Offical BBC Website Review (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lkp01)

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/images/episode/b00lkp01_512_288.jpg)

Nearly four years after the 7/7 bombings, England's worst terrorist atrocity, The Conspiracy Files investigates the conspiracy theories flourishing on the internet.

There have been three official reports into the bombings on 7th July 2005, which claimed the lives of 56 people and injured 784 others. The programme sees how conspiracy theories suggest four British Muslims were framed by the government, play on the fears of the Muslim community and spread a highly divisive and damaging message.

The Conspiracy Files: 7/7 examines the evidence in an attempt to separate fact from fiction.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 01:09:12 PM
Come on folks....

Can you not imagine the out right lies and distortions of the truth about to be made ?

Govt sponsored TV show !
Taxpayer Funded !
Outrageous !
Get Mad !
Post !

: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Scootle June 30, 2009, 01:37:19 PM
"Separating fact from fiction"

Yeh ... thats what they said about their first 9/11 piece... yet the entire thing was filled with people saying "conspiracy theorists need to believe theres more to it... it's their comfort blanket... they cant accept the fact that these things just happen" ... yeh ... coz believe 9/11 was a false flag makes me sleep soundly at night ...  ::)
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 01:41:54 PM
"Separating fact from fiction"

Yeh ... thats what they said about their first 9/11 piece... yet the entire thing was filled with people saying "conspiracy theorists need to believe theres more to it... it's their comfort blanket... they cant accept the fact that these things just happen" ... yeh ... coz believe 9/11 was a false flag makes me sleep soundly at night ...  ::)

Yup

Not going to interrupt my evening to watch garbage.
Def a job for BBC iPlayer.

If you live in america you need to use a proxy anonymizer that is based in the UK.
If your Infowars Staff PM me for access to one.


Mind you since its propaganda, no doubt it will be on Google Video and not get deleted...

: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 01:51:12 PM
Everyone get your antibullcrap / anti-hypnotic-subliminal-messages goggles on and strap in. . . .  8)

(how many times will you swear at the tv before this thing is done??  >:( :-X :'()

Its in the CONSPIRACY FILES it is bound to go along with the govt conspiracy ! It will have to so the beeb can keep getting all that lovely licence fee money !

Licence fee is what - 120 quid a year or something? per household (or per 5 tv`s)
I saw the other day the queen gets the equivalent of 69p from every person in the UK per year.
Not that i think she should get anything - but if the beeb is getting how many % more than the queen then it shows how valuable a tool the beeb is to the govt no ???
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Danis June 30, 2009, 01:53:33 PM
Haven't trusted the BBC since 2003, especially with these types of 'debunking' propaganda 'documentaries'. I'm sure PJW or Steve will have an interesting article to write tomorrow. Hopefully the program will draw the truely open minded people into checking out 7/7 Ripple Effect and making their own minds up. They should start supplying barf bags with TV licenses.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Scootle June 30, 2009, 01:55:04 PM
A great drinking game ... drink everytime they use the words "conspiracy theory" or variations ... some of my friends did that for the history channel 9/11 hitpiece ... they almost died.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 02:00:04 PM
LOL yeah i`m up for that scootle . . .  :D

drink every time they say "according to the conspiracy nuts on prison planet". . . . LOL! We cannot expect this to be anything but laughable.

But, the fact they have made this may say more than what ever inane content it has.

(BTW on ch 4 same time is a thing about the mumbai attack - that might be interesting too - its on plus one so ya can catch both if your not laying on the floor pissed as a newt after the 7/7 thing that is . . .
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: netizen_x June 30, 2009, 02:11:38 PM
Where does the BBC get off being the propaganda front for the us govt? What is their advantage to perpetuate propaganda lies?

It's not for the US government. The same people who are in control of the US government control the UK government and the EU and all the other states that have a capital 'U' in it. Innit? It's all about unity and being united in a 'post-national' world.

that's why we call it the New World Order.
: BBC AJ story
: Irobot June 30, 2009, 02:13:04 PM
 Unmasking the mysterious 7/7 conspiracy theorist

In the absence of a public inquiry into the 7 July bombings, conspiracy theories have filled the vacuum. One of the more inflammatory involves a man hiding behind an Arabic-sounding pseudonym taken from a sci-fi film starring Sting, says the BBC's Mike Rudin.

The 56-minute homemade documentary opens with a view from space and the words: "A message from Muad Dib".

What follows is a stream of allegations about the 2005 bomb attack on London. The film, entitled 7/7 Ripple Effect, accuses former prime minister Tony Blair, the government, the police and the British and Israeli security service of murdering the innocent people who died that day, in order to shore up support for the "war on terror".

The video has become an internet hit, hailed by conspiracy theorists and picked up by some Muslims in the UK as evidence that the official account of what happened that day is untrue.

The official version says four British Muslims blew themselves up in the UK's first suicide attacks, murdering 52 people and injuring 784 others.

But it took nearly a year for the official account to be published, and much of the evidence, such as CCTV and photographs, only came out slowly afterwards.

In that atmosphere conspiracy theories have flourished. A host of internet films now claim the government account is a deception.

7/7 Ripple Effect, released two years after the attacks, goes much further than just posing questions.

The narrator alleges the four men blamed for the bombings were in fact fall guys in a government plot to win support for the war on terror; they were tricked into travelling to London with rucksacks on that day.

CCTV that shows them arriving in London was supposedly just to incriminate them. The film claims that they were not on the trains that blew up.

It's alleged the three men blamed for the Tube bombings were in fact murdered by police at Canary Wharf, after government agents set off pre-planted explosives to frame them.

'Unbelievable' coincidence

Muad Dib's conspiracy video has been picked up and held up as truth. A copy of his film was sent to a survivor of the attacks and to the Chairman of the Birmingham Central Mosque, Dr Mohammed Naseem.

He has long harboured doubts about the government account. "The Ripple Effect is more convincing than the government statement," he says.

Dr Naseem made 2,000 copies of 7/7 Ripple Effect for the mosque. At Friday prayers he asked the congregation to raise their hands if they did not accept the government version - nearly the entire gathering did.

Muad Dib hangs much of his conspiracy theory on the fact that on 7 July 2005, there was a mock exercise preparing for a possible terror attack on the London underground, with a very similar scenario to what happened - three London stations. This he describes as "an unbelievable set of circumstances".
“ If people in mosques think the government is so antagonistic that they're willing to frame them for a monstrous crime, what does that do to levels of trust? ”
7/7 survivor Rachel North

But Peter Power, a former Scotland Yard police officer, says on 7 July, the exercise he ran was office-based and involved just six people from a publishing company.

That has not stopped him receiving hate mail from anonymous sceptics accusing him of "murder" and threatening "justice" with "no mercy".

Muad Dib did not send Peter Power a copy of 7/7 Ripple Effect, but when it was showed it to him, he found it "quite menacing [and] quite worrying".

He has now passed the DVD and the threatening e-mails to the Metropolitan Police. But Mr Power was frustrated because of the difficulty of prosecuting someone who hides behind a cloak of anonymity.

Dune clips

The Conspiracy Files 7/7, a BBC documentary, tracked Muad Dib down, eventually finding him in the small town of Kells in Ireland. He is in fact John Hill, from Sheffield.

His alias, Muad Dib, is a fictional character in the science fiction film Dune, a film starring Sting and Kyle MacLachlan about inter-galactic freedom fighting, from which he seems to draw inspiration.

Clips from the film - including the quote "The sleeper must awaken" - appear in 7/7 Ripple Effect.

Frank Herbert's series of Dune novels use Islamic concepts like "jihad" and other terms based on Arabic.

A document on Muad Dib's website reveals he believes he is the Messiah and that George Lucas wrote Star Wars after being told telepathically what to write, by the very "Force" to which the films refer.

John Hill has now been arrested and is facing extradition to the UK on a charge of perverting the course of justice for sending DVDs of 7/7 Ripple Effect to the judge and jury foreman in a trial linked to the attacks.

This hasn't stopped his film. Alex Jones, who runs an internet site and a US radio show devoted to conspiracy theories, claims that 7/7 Ripple Effect has been "just exploding all over the web" since Hills' arrest.

There have been two official reports into the bombing by the Intelligence and Security Committee. The government has always resisted calls for an independent public inquiry, and has decided not to actively counter conspiracy theories.

But there is concern that conspiracy theories are divisive and could alienate Muslims from the authorities. The former Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner, Brian Paddick, says action is needed to prevent further atrocities.

"Hopefully there will be people in the police service, the security service and in government who will realise how important conspiracy theories are. And how important it is… that every attempt is made to try and counteract them."

Rachel North, a survivor of the 7 July bombings, is troubled by the acceptance of conspiracy theories.

"If people in mosques think that the government is so antagonistic towards them that they're actually willing to frame them for a monstrous crime they didn't commit, what does that do to levels of trust? That is a problem for the government and for everybody in this country."

Mike Rudin is series producer of The Conspiracy Files 7/7

A selection of your comments appears below.

I have seen this film and the fact that the government has seen fit not to order a public inquiry into the worst terrorist attack on London since the IRA ceased hostilities is puzzling and disturbing in itself. Crackpot or not, the film comes across as credible and does pose some serious questions which of course have never been answered. The execution of JC de Menezes also adds to the disquiet and I wish I could say that the arrest of the film maker comes as a surprise. Logan McGeary, London

Well, I'm not into conspiracy theories but it happens to be completely true that the security services in both New York on 9/11 and London on 7/7 were running mock terrorist attack exercises. Make of that what you will. Mike, Corby

We need an inquiry, more than that, we deserve an inquiry. It's absence is indicative of a government that has become utterly obsessed with secrecy, despite all of it's empty promises and hot-air about 'transparency'. An inquiry would take the wind out of the sails of extremist conspiracy-theorists, but, time after time, the government tells us that we have no right to know why our fellow Britons were blown up and killed. Are they, perhaps, scared that an inquiry would establish, for once and for all, that those attacks were a direct response to the foreign policy of Blair? Dr Michael Swann, Thurso, Scotland

This is the same nonsense as the 9/11 conspiracy. People come out with idiotic statements and there are those impressionable minds that don't know any better who believe them. Take the moon landings. The very facts that are supposed to prove they didn't land, actually proves that they did. The conspiracy theorists simply do not understand basic physics. Paul, Lowestoft

It is interesting that both the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks occurred at times when the political leader of the nation was suffering in public opinion, and that both these attacks have enabled the governments involved to introduce draconian measures in the name of "security". Whilst I do not actually believe that the governments were directly involved in either of these attacks (or at least I pray they were not), I am not so sure that they did not consciously ignore critical intelligence and thus allow the events to come to pass. Bryan Wallbridge, Boston, Lincolnshire
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8124687.stm
: Re: BBC to broadcast new 7/7 doc to support the already failed "official" story
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 02:13:30 PM
It's not for the US government. The same people who are in control of the US government control the UK government and the EU and all the other states that have a capital 'U' in it. Innit? It's all about unity and being united in a 'post-national' world.

"Anglo Empire " = english speaking superstate never discussed, but it does exist in practical terms.

America, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand etc.. all just component parts of this federation.
: Re: BBC AJ story
: heavyhebrew June 30, 2009, 02:15:01 PM
Wow, sending the truth to a jury is tampering? Tampering laws were meant to discourage organized crime from intimidating jurists and prevent bribing of the jury by the rich.

Sending a video that questions the legitimacy of the official report on 7/7 is tampering. Could they be more obvious?
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Irobot June 30, 2009, 02:16:44 PM
Oh, I see this was in the 77 thread sorry. Is this the story he was mentioning minutes ago?
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Dig June 30, 2009, 02:26:32 PM
"But Peter Power, a former Scotland Yard police officer, says on 7 July, the exercise he ran was office-based and involved just six people from a publishing company."

6 people? Wow. And he said the exercise involved the exact same trains and the exact same times. Six people? Are they X Men?
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 02:28:22 PM
w00t

Alex is now talking about this on the Radio Show
2 hours 20 minutes into the show approx
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 02:31:03 PM
Anyone know which gaol / jail Mau Dib is in aka John Hill ?
(The bloke behind 7/7 Ripple Effect)

: Re: BBC AJ story
: Dig June 30, 2009, 02:32:15 PM
"But there is concern that conspiracy theories are divisive and could alienate Muslims from the authorities. "

The truth could alienate Muslims? You mean because the genocide in Iraq is not enough? Because the profiling, round ups, and clandestine detentions are not doing the job? Ripple Effect allows the Muslim population to feel solidarity with the British natives against the psycopathic, genocidal, incestuous, perverted Royal Elite pieces of shit.  This is a national security issue.  Arresting John Hill shows the Muslim population that they cannot speak about the truth of 7/7 and that even when the native British population wakes up they will be arrested for thought crimes. This will lead to more animosity and conflict.  It is an obvious National Security issue by falsely arresting people who speak the truth.  Why is the piece of shit Queen arresting honest and hard working citizens? Why is she such a piece of f**king shit?
: Re: BBC AJ story
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 02:34:48 PM
They can not silence me

"2+2=4" - winston


: Re: BBC AJ story
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 02:37:43 PM
(http://911review.org/London/fake-7_7.JPG)

http://911review.org/London/fake-7_7.JPG (http://911review.org/London/fake-7_7.JPG)
: Re: BBC AJ story
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 02:39:33 PM
Note the VAN
That company does DEMOLITION

(http://www.csiwembley.co.uk/H33T/773.jpg)

: Re: BBC AJ story
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 02:40:34 PM
(http://www.takeoverworld.info/images/britaingetstough.jpg)
: Re: BBC AJ story
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 02:41:42 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3474/3406920910_49e521ae93.jpg)
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Dig June 30, 2009, 02:44:21 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3474/3406920910_49e521ae93.jpg)

Imagine that, the BBC did not add an interview of that survivor in their "news"/propaganda hit piece.
: Re: BBC AJ story
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 02:44:35 PM
Out right Terror
Bold and Brilliant

(http://www.wiseupjournal.com/images/articles/7-7-bus.jpg)
: Re: BBC AJ story
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 02:46:26 PM
Imagine that, the BBC did not add an interview of that survivor in their "news"/propaganda hit piece.

I got Alex Jones inter viewing eYe witness survivor Mike Obache.
Anyone want the link message me.

Here is Mike's website
http://www.the4thbomb.com/


(See its worth getting a Prison Planet Membership)
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Scootle June 30, 2009, 02:51:07 PM
Out right Terror
Bold and Brilliant

(http://www.wiseupjournal.com/images/articles/7-7-bus.jpg)

The BBC should call their piece "Outright Lies: The Bold and Brilliant Coverup"
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Dig June 30, 2009, 02:55:53 PM
This would be like arresting Woodward and Bernstein (forgetting that they are NWO pawns) for exposing WaterGate.  It is so completely preposterous.
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Danis June 30, 2009, 02:56:09 PM
Next week they're airing 'Patriotic Turds: We Polish, We Serve'. I've seen more conspiracy theories, lies and fear mongering come out of the BBC than from the truth movement.
: Re: BBC AJ story
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 02:58:02 PM

Play spot the terrorist ?

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/01/article-1176280-04C6C010000005DC-905_468x286.jpg)

Can you identify the suspect beyond reasonable doubt ?

: Re: BBC AJ story
: Dig June 30, 2009, 03:01:58 PM
With all the insanity of MI5/6 infiltrating the UK truth movement at least the BBC has exposed that 7/7 Ripple Effect is 100% non MoD material.

THANKS BBC!

Shit, I think a title change is in order...

BBC AJ Story: BBC confirms that 7/7 Ripple Effect is 100% accurate!
: BBC AJ Story: BBC confirms that 7/7 Ripple Effect is 100% accurate!
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 03:07:36 PM
With all the insanity of MI5/6 infiltrating the UK truth movement at least the BBC has exposed that 7/7 Ripple Effect is 100% non MoD material.

THANKS BBC!

Shit, I think a title change is in order...

BBC AJ Story: BBC confirms that 7/7 Ripple Effect is 100% accurate!

Go for it Sane !

We some times feel a little forgotten this side of the pond.
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Dig June 30, 2009, 03:13:37 PM
Go for it Sane !

We some times feel a little forgotten this side of the pond.


Shit 7/7 exposed how this is truly an "al-qaeda" network of international banking elites (so did Bali, Madrid bombings, and Mumbai).  Keep posting all the incontravertible facts about this false flag operation. It is beyond insane that they are so utterly scared of the truth that they arrest the film splicer of a montage film.  Not only a montage film, but one that mostly uses video from BBC and other "MSM" news outlets.
: Re: BBC AJ story
: phasma June 30, 2009, 03:29:46 PM

Play spot the terrorist ?

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/01/article-1176280-04C6C010000005DC-905_468x286.jpg)

Can you identify the suspect beyond reasonable doubt ?

i can say beyond a reasonable doubt that i cannot, no !
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Anti_Illuminati June 30, 2009, 03:32:06 PM
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Upgrading CAESAR via successful 7/7/05 False Flag Execution (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=103704.msg622138#msg622138)
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The most important pieces of this document are the abstract and the conclusion. Unless of course you want to make your AI super commander a better super commander ...
Basically  under the guise of the investigation of 7/7 they  present to you the upgrades to CAESAR that allowed it to not only commit 7/7 but learn from it and cover it all up in the process.
 They willing admit  that they require a computer system capable of temporal analysis to carry out   their plans on such a scale that no human could possibly be capable of planning and executing...

Also is the fact that it is designed specifically to eliminate all inconsistencies is even more damning ....


These very facts are  why they had to wait till a year after the bombings and then guise it under the premise of being an after the fact investigation -- just to be able release this white paper with the results of what their new system was capable of...

I am sure  CAESAR probably told them how to do that to boot ...

:/
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Virgil_Hilts June 30, 2009, 03:33:42 PM
The part about him believing that he is the messiah and that Star Wars was dreamed up psychically? Well, he suffered from paranoid delusions. We're all insane.
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Scootle June 30, 2009, 03:35:49 PM
It it pisses me of how the BBC guy goes up to Muid Dib and say "why are u accusing the government without evidence?" and "why do you ignore the massive amount of evidence linking the 4 bombers?" ... what evidence are we talking about here? The passport of one of the bombers that was found in two places? lol
: Re: BBC AJ story
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 03:43:26 PM
Friends of Muad'Dib   (http://mtrial.org/)
http://mtrial.org/ (http://mtrial.org/)

The purpose of this website is to serve as the official outlet for news regarding Muad’Dib’s arrest and trial, and also to appeal for your participation in putting another nail in the coffin of the so-called N.W.O. which only Muad’Dib (on Earth) knows how to defeat forever.

As many of you will know, Muad’Dib is the producer of the film "7/7 Ripple Effect", and He was arrested in Ireland for the “crime” of sending DVD’s of the film to the judge and jury of the first trial of three men: Waheed Ali, 25, Sadeer Saleem, 28, and Mohammed Shakil, 32, who were being tried at Kingston Crown Court, England, wrongfully accused of helping the four designated patsies of the London 7/7/2005 bombings who were; in reality; victims, as much as all the others who died and/or were injured and traumatized that day.

Muad’Dib has been falsely and hypocritically accused of “attempting to pervert the course of justice”, when the film; and the act of sending copies of it to those in charge of delivering a verdict; are all about STRAIGHTENING the course of justice, which the U.K. authorities are perverting.

Sending proof of someone's innocence should NEVER be a crime.
 
LLTF (Long Live The Fighters [For God/Good]),
The Fremen (Freemen).
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Virgil_Hilts June 30, 2009, 03:53:28 PM
I'd like to see the document from his website from which these claims of mental illness arise.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Stan June 30, 2009, 03:55:34 PM
Gonna watch it in a sec. They have to use the words 'holocaust denial' at least once otherwise it's not a proper hitpiece.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: wembley87 June 30, 2009, 04:33:06 PM
f**k me , they are doing their best to explain this one away , it is making my blood boil .
: Re: BBC AJ story
: phasma June 30, 2009, 04:34:33 PM
i`m up to 14 conspiracys so far

not richard jones jeez

If ya gonna ask someone atleast ask someone credible - jones is a joke !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 04:36:16 PM
f**k me , they are doing their best to explain this one away , it is making my blood boil .

deep breath!
We knew this would be bullshit. . . watch for new lies ! (no israeli warning ! ha ! they warned them 2 months before never mind 2 mins. . .

dont take the bait. .
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: wembley87 June 30, 2009, 04:37:04 PM
They must have said ' conspiracy theorists ' about 100 times in the last 40 minutes !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 04:38:44 PM
enter mr powers !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: wembley87 June 30, 2009, 04:39:09 PM
deep breath!
We knew this would be bullshit. . . watch for new lies ! (no israeli warning ! ha ! they warned them 2 months before never mind 2 mins. . .

dont take the bait. .

But the sheeple beleive this bullshit phasma , it winds me up  >:(
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 04:40:19 PM
But the sheeple beleive this bullshit phasma , it winds me up  >:(

but maybe some will question - here he goes . . .
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: wembley87 June 30, 2009, 04:42:37 PM
but maybe some will question - here he goes . . .

It was common sense to choose to have mock exercises at the same tube stations as the attacks happened !!!   WTF !!
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 04:43:58 PM
paper exercise yeah . . . blah blah all crap !!!!!!!!!!!!!
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: wembley87 June 30, 2009, 04:46:06 PM
paper exercise yeah . . . blah blah all crap !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fair play to the muslim guy in the mosque , he was having none of the official story .
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Dig June 30, 2009, 04:46:20 PM
i`m up to 14 conspiracys so far

not richard jones jeez

If ya gonna ask someone atleast ask someone credible - jones is a joke !

richard jones?
: Re: BBC AJ story
: phasma June 30, 2009, 04:48:00 PM
richard jones?
decidedly dodgy "eye" witness who jumped off the bus just before it blew - said he saw the man and gave 5 different descriptions in as many days !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: wembley87 June 30, 2009, 04:49:26 PM
The conclusion - it was all a astonishing coincidence . What a load of bollox !!
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 04:50:20 PM
Fair play to the muslim guy in the mosque , he was having none of the official story .
They are making it sound like all the conspiracy theorists are muslim - its not just the muslims who dont trust the govt !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: jesqueal June 30, 2009, 04:51:44 PM
I couldn't even bring myself to watch a few minutes of it...meanwhile over on the quasi-government-owned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_4#Channel_Four_Television_Corporation) Channel 4 there is a programme reinforcing the threat from Mumbai attacks...is it power of nightmares night or something?
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 04:52:52 PM
BANG! holocaust denial = 7/7 conspiracists are nuts !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Danis June 30, 2009, 04:53:20 PM
Not watching it either, but I wouldn't be surprised that the BBC would make us look like we're linked with Islamic Fundamentalists.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 04:54:06 PM
Not watching it either, but I wouldn't be surprised that the BBC would make us look like we're linked with Islamic Fundamentalists.
well, they said it - we are with them - or against them !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: wembley87 June 30, 2009, 04:57:15 PM
LOL, Alex has just been on . Now they say the evidence clearly shows the 4 muslims carried out these attacks .
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 04:58:27 PM
LOL, Alex has just been on . Now they say the evidence clearly shows the 4 muslims carried out these attacks .
LOL!
What proof? Did i blink and miss it
what a shocker - the govt dont want to comment !
keep spreadin that conspiracy theory guys !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Mike Philbin June 30, 2009, 05:00:36 PM
man, the tone of every single voice-over sentence (and the sneering way they're delivered) is so disturbing, so ominous, so corporate - they even mentioned Kollerstrom's Auschwitz article.

it's like REAL (proper) propaganda for a mentally disabled populace...

wow, the conclusion?  we must WIPE OUT ALL CONSPIRACY THEORIES, and their originators.

very, very worrying bullshit.

EYES

WIDE

SHUT

:(
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 05:02:02 PM
man, the tone of every single voice-over sentence (and the sneering way they're delivered) is so disturbing, so ominous, so corporate - they even mentioned Kollerstrom's Auschwitz article.

it's like REAL (proper) propaganda for a mentally disabled populace...

wow, the conclusion?  we must WIPE OUT ALL CONSPIRACY THEORIES, and their originators.

very, very worrying bullshit.

EYES

WIDE

SHUT

:(
yeah - we are to blame for the muslims not trusting the govt . . . what the hell???

thing about mumbai attacks on ch4+1 now
terror night. . .
why? they up to something ?
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Wacaday June 30, 2009, 05:06:39 PM
I just watched a couple of Min's, its just as laughable as the other programmes in the conspiracy files series. They don't even try to give credible explanation's to all the coincidental evidence of staged attacks, instead they just parade around a group of "victims" of the evil conspiracy theorists rants. Interestingly there is also a Mumbai terror doc on channel 4.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Scootle June 30, 2009, 05:11:56 PM
oh my god what a hitpiece...at least they actually interviewed the guy who said he saw metal being blown up and how he supported 7/7 truth. They said some people confirmed the bomb was on the train ... who are they?! ... Give evidence BBC... put the quote on screen ... thats what Alex would do.

A paper exercise!? Lmao! A paper exercise which matched only two... not all three ... of the train stations ... how exactly would that send "hairs on the back of my neck standing up right"? ... they made no mention of the drills on 9/11 and OKC ... which is the main reason we find it so fishy ... instead they just showed hate emails ... which were probably sent by government operatives to discredit us.

No mention of the bandaged man Obachike saw... no mention of obachike himself...

Obligatory character attacks... blah blah ... Muad Dib and Shayler believe they're the messiah, kellerstroms a hollocaust denier....

No mention of the fact that the explosives were reported by several news outlets to be of military origin...

Ooo... they said they wanna attack us ... see! they confessed!  ::)
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 05:15:30 PM
we knew what this would be - lets hoe some newbies saw it and will go watch ripple effect or search for alex jones -
thats the best thing to come from that
o my god i just had a flash
the big build up re meeting on 7/7 in b`ham central mosque
the way they made it seem the muslims are all pissed
something is coming and ripple effect will be cited as being the cause
then will come the clamp down !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Stan June 30, 2009, 05:16:19 PM
I was waiting the whole hour for that. The only two "conspiracy" advocates either believed they were Jesus or that Auschwitz was a holiday camp.

Then you have the token survivor who talks about hatemail and how conspiracy theorists hate the victims.

The ex-police commisioner (or whatever) also thinks doubters of the official conspiracy theory encourage terrorism.

I'm not surprised. I just think it's funny how they're so predictable and I mentioned the Auschwitz thing just a few seconds before they brought it up.

Douchebags.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: 8 June 30, 2009, 05:16:31 PM
It was pretty abysmal, the bits that I watched, I'll watch the rest later..

If anyone wants to watch this propaganda there's a torrent here:

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4982414
: Re: BBC AJ story
: 8 June 30, 2009, 05:18:36 PM
There's a torrent here if anyone wants to see the propaganda and selective "debunking" by the UK government propaganda organ the BBC.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Danis June 30, 2009, 05:19:10 PM
Bet they didn't mention Martin McDaid, who is, to me, a potential suspect of being the handler or provocatuer.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2005/07/21/exclusive-bombers-and-the-special-forces-soldier-115875-15760968/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2005/07/21/exclusive-bombers-and-the-special-forces-soldier-115875-15760968/)

and

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jun/24/july7.topstories3 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/jun/24/july7.topstories3)

The BBC misses out on all kinds of evidence.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Stan June 30, 2009, 05:20:40 PM
A paper exercise!? Lmao! A paper exercise which matched only two... not all three ... of the train stations ... how exactly would that send "hairs on the back of my neck standing up right"? ... they made no mention of the drills on 9/11 and OKC ... which is the main reason we find it so fishy ... instead they just showed hate emails ... which were probably sent by government operatives to discredit us.

Indeed. If it was so irrelevant then why was he all over TV talking about a thousand-strong company pushing a terror drill?

I also love the way, 50 minutes in, they talk of Ripple Effect asif it was proved completely fraudulent based only on their opinion. Hacks.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Stan June 30, 2009, 05:22:16 PM
It was pretty abysmal, the bits that I watched, I'll watch the rest later..

If anyone wants to watch this propaganda there's a torrent here:

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4982414

Man, that was fast. I can't watch it again though. Too painful.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 05:23:10 PM
lets re watch and de bunk their de bunking !
: Re: BBC AJ story
: jimwill June 30, 2009, 05:24:50 PM
What gets me is that even if the elite did just come out and say "Yea, we did it, and 9/11 too. So what are you going to do about it?"
Most people would shrug their shoulders and change channels on the tv!

So, why don't they just admit it? - - Probably because there is a percentage (a lot of them here on infowars) who would do something!? (Maybe that's why they are trying to criminalize everyone who can think?)
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Scootle June 30, 2009, 05:25:39 PM
lets re watch and de bunk their de bunking !
When a DIVX version comes out im probably gonna download it and make a video in response to it... simialr to david shaylers "9/11 and the british broadcasting conspiracy"
: Re: BBC AJ story
: phasma June 30, 2009, 05:29:50 PM
Did you not get what that was all about?
They are trying to turn ppl against us
to make them see us as something more than just nuts - to make ppl see us as instigators of terror - why else the big thing inc the date (7/7) about the meeting in bham central mosque between conspiracy theorists and muslims
they are trying to convince ppl we are insighting musilms with our anti govt spin,
and then something will happen
and this time it will be us to blame for firing up the muslims ! then they will clamp down on us !

RED ALERT PPL !!!! BIG GIANT RED FLAG WAVING !!!!!
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: 8 June 30, 2009, 05:31:01 PM
Man, that was fast. I can't watch it again though. Too painful.

It's an iplayer rip so thanks, BBC! The wmv format is ideal for chopping up and youtubing.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 05:31:21 PM
good !
anyone going to the meeting they mentioned in birmingham mosque this coming 7th?

wonder what happened at obachikes meeting?
: Re: BBC AJ story
: 8 June 30, 2009, 05:31:52 PM
There's a torrent here if anyone wants to see the propaganda and selective "debunking" by the UK government propaganda organ the BBC.

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4982414

: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: 8 June 30, 2009, 05:34:19 PM
good !
anyone going to the meeting they mentioned in birmingham mosque this coming 7th?

wonder what happened at obachikes meeting?

I thought you were going to go, phasma! I had to babysit my sick cat, so what's your excuse?
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma June 30, 2009, 05:36:24 PM
i could tell u but its gross so your better off not knowing - major messy disaster at home ! Had my tickets and all - told my mate in london to go but dont know yet if he did - not sure if they`d let him pick up my ticket since he didnt have my card !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Stan June 30, 2009, 05:38:22 PM
To be honest, I wouldn't want to risk being caught in a photograph with Nick Kollerstrom.
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Scootle June 30, 2009, 06:01:22 PM
Did you not get what that was all about?
They are trying to turn ppl against us
to make them see us as something more than just nuts - to make ppl see us as instigators of terror - why else the big thing inc the date (7/7) about the meeting in bham central mosque between conspiracy theorists and muslims
they are trying to convince ppl we are insighting musilms with our anti govt spin,
and then something will happen
and this time it will be us to blame for firing up the muslims ! then they will clamp down on us !

RED ALERT PPL !!!! BIG GIANT RED FLAG WAVING !!!!!

(http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/modernmaterialist/2008/09/elephant-in-the-room.jpg)
: Re: BBC AJ story
: phasma June 30, 2009, 06:03:07 PM
Feck it i see the elephant and i`m gonna yell about it before it squashes everyone !
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Dig June 30, 2009, 06:07:39 PM
Did you not get what that was all about?
They are trying to turn ppl against us
to make them see us as something more than just nuts - to make ppl see us as instigators of terror - why else the big thing inc the date (7/7) about the meeting in bham central mosque between conspiracy theorists and muslims
they are trying to convince ppl we are insighting musilms with our anti govt spin,
and then something will happen
and this time it will be us to blame for firing up the muslims ! then they will clamp down on us !

RED ALERT PPL !!!! BIG GIANT RED FLAG WAVING !!!!!

*phasma has hit the nail on the head!*
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Scootle June 30, 2009, 06:13:42 PM
This is getting scary... the whole thing with the policeman was basically arguing that conspiracy theorists detach muslims from the government making it less likely they will be able to uncover terrorist plots in advance... they're basically saying that conspiracy theories are dangerous and make terrorism less likely to be stopped ... thats a dangerous spin ... as if the nutjob stereotype wasnt bad enough now they are directly linking us with islamic terrorism.
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Scootle June 30, 2009, 06:15:55 PM
You should rename the other thread... "BBC predictive programming: 7/7 truthers promote islamic extremism" or something.
: Re: BBC AJ story
: phasma June 30, 2009, 06:16:10 PM
i would love to be wrong on this
but i really think that is what that whole program was for . . . it certainly wasn`t a serious attempt to debunk the conspiracies - more an attepmt to draw attention to them for people who haven`t read about them yet !
If they are trying to diminish us it is because they are worried we are getting stronger !

and scootle - clever dont you think? because dangerous is a far worse label than nuts and they have powers to act against dangerous ppl, not so much nutty ppl !
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Scootle June 30, 2009, 06:19:18 PM
Yeh and the constant 9/11 comparisons linked 9/11 truth in aswell ... its just like Glenn Beck and his "von brunn was a hero to 9/11 truth" lie ... and the mention of Muad'Dibs arrest and Kellerstroms holocaust denial brings it all in full circle...
: Re: BBC AJ story
: phasma June 30, 2009, 06:20:35 PM
round we go mate . . . round and round !

lets see what happens over this meeting on the 7th !
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Dig June 30, 2009, 06:21:16 PM
i would love to be wrong on this
but i really think that is what that whole program was for . . . it certainly wasn`t a serious attempt to debunk the conspiracies - more an attepmt to draw attention to them for people who haven`t read about them yet !
If they are trying to diminish us it is because they are worried we are getting stronger !

and scootle - clever dont you think? because dangerous is a far worse label than nuts and they have powers to act against dangerous ppl, not so much nutty ppl !

this is in their documents for the past 50 years.

this is cointelpro to the masses.

just read the "full spectrum dominance" rhetoric in exposed war game documents in the PhD section.  AJ has been exposing this for over 10 years.
: Re: BBC AJ story
: squarepusher June 30, 2009, 06:27:05 PM
"Hopefully there will be people in the police service, the security service and in government who will realise how important conspiracy theories are. And how important it is… that every attempt is made to try and counteract them."

But what if they are 'true'? Should every attempt still be made to try and counteract them even if they are true?

BTW, I wanted to leave a comment on there but there's no input form to do so. Do they deliberately shield 'anonymous users'/'guests' from leaving a comment? I'm getting sick of all these bogus 'respected' newssites who insist they are so impartial and truthful yet I need to register on their goddamn site - which means they can put it into their big fat database, send the user information over to Lexis Nexis or some other service that will pay them money for it, and that will be data mined and cross referenced with all the other stuff that e-mail address lookup will reveal.

All semantical games and psychological mindtricks in this article. Meanwhile, no real attempt is made to reinforce the flimsy story of the 'Official Conspiracy Theory' - which has holes so big you could drive a truck through it.

But whatever.
: Re: BBC AJ story
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 06:37:55 PM
Hey they posted it on BBC iPlayer really quickly...

Bet it gets posted on You Tube or Google Video really quick and does not get pulled for copyright violations. Will watch it now and let you know what I think.

: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: EvadingGrid June 30, 2009, 08:02:28 PM
I'm really glad to read all over your posts, because to be quiet frank i found the movie deeply upsetting.




: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: jesqueal June 30, 2009, 08:13:10 PM
It was the BBC hitpiece of 9/11 back in 2002 or so that first got me looking at 9/11 "conspiracy theories"...I wonder if this new one will have the same effect on people
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: weegie1 June 30, 2009, 08:44:45 PM
I've uploaded TPB version to infowars TV for anyone who hasn't seen it yet. Don't you just love lies on this scale. ;D

http://www.infowarstv.com/video/2912/The-Conspiracy-Files-77
: Re: BBC to broadcast a new documentary defending the official story on 7/7
: matrixcutter June 30, 2009, 10:44:19 PM
This is the one they would be playing if they actually wanted people to be aware of the facts.  Obviously, they don't.  In fact, that's the very opposite of the entire purpose of the BBC.

7/7 Ripple Effect (57mins)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8756795263359807776

N.B.  This video is freely available to download at the above URL, so if you haven't already, download it.  And share it.
Wow, they did mention it.  And they linked it to anti-semitism, and used various other standard techniques that have already been pointed out.

I was completely unaware of any (alleged) belief of John Anthony Hill's regarding being the messiah.  I know that David Shayler, who was also mentioned, says he believes himself to be the messiah - so a casual/irrational viewer might look up David Shayler, watch a few of his recent videos and then conclude that all 7/7 "conspiracy theorists" (a term which, as usual, excludes the government's official theory about a ridiculously unlikely conspiracy) think they're the messiah.

Anyway, I've had a quick look and this is what I've found:

This page (http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/j-for-justice-77-ripple-effect.html) asserts that Hill "believes he is the Sheffield-born messiah and demands 'that he be acknowledged as the Rightful British-Israel King.' (http://jahtruth.net/emmau2.htm) "

The link they send you to - http://jahtruth.net/emmau2.htm - indicates that the website was created by "JAH".  Does anyone know of any proof that "JAH" is John Anthony Hill, the man who made 7/7 Ripple Effect?
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: crutley June 30, 2009, 11:06:56 PM
HQ Torrent Download:

Sorry, I would have gotten this sorted earlier if I had not fallen asleep on the sofa. I guess all these hit pieces have the same effect on me these days!

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4982686 (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4982686)
: HQ VIDEO TORRENT: BBC's The Conspiracy Files (77 Hit Peice)
: crutley June 30, 2009, 11:09:09 PM
HQ Video Torrent Download:

Sorry, I would have gotten this sorted earlier if I had not fallen asleep on the sofa. I guess all these hit pieces have the same effect on me these days:

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4982686 (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4982686)
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: SteJo June 30, 2009, 11:18:46 PM
i just got round to watching this thing on bbc iplayer and i cannot believe the bullshit that they spouted during this. first of all they just dismissed all the facts and said it all these extreme conspiracy theorists and yeah it kinda pissed me off that they were implying that the only people that believe this are muslim almost disregarding that alot more people than that doubt the story. also didn't like the woman on it that was on the train, shes basically saying i was there so i should know, just because your on a train when a bomb goes off doesn't mean you know that the government didn't plan it. one last thing i thought was funny with the whole tony blair saying this was done in the name of islam 8 hours after the attack when they "didn't" know who done it their answer was him saying that not all muslims are like that, and they arn't but it was just a weak way for them to try and cover up blairs screw up
: Re: HQ VIDEO TORRENT: BBC's The Conspiracy Files (77 Hit Peice)
: vCFy7W3SFb July 01, 2009, 12:09:17 AM
download is too slow 5K/s insulting and i'm cancelling the torrent.
: Re: HQ VIDEO TORRENT: BBC's The Conspiracy Files (77 Hit Peice)
: crutley July 01, 2009, 12:25:58 AM
download is too slow 5K/s insulting and i'm cancelling the torrent.

Give it time for more seeders to build up.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: jesqueal July 01, 2009, 07:43:03 AM
i just got round to watching this thing on bbc iplayer and i cannot believe the bullshit that they spouted during this. first of all they just dismissed all the facts and said it all these extreme conspiracy theorists and yeah it kinda pissed me off that they were implying that the only people that believe this are muslim almost disregarding that alot more people than that doubt the story. also didn't like the woman on it that was on the train, shes basically saying i was there so i should know, just because your on a train when a bomb goes off doesn't mean you know that the government didn't plan it. one last thing i thought was funny with the whole tony blair saying this was done in the name of islam 8 hours after the attack when they "didn't" know who done it their answer was him saying that not all muslims are like that, and they arn't but it was just a weak way for them to try and cover up blairs screw up
Dude c'mon you're just a conspiracy theorist, like the one who firebombed the NY recruitment centre. the only people who think 7/7 was an inside job are booga-booga-muslims, under-your-bed-and-in-your-shop, guys who think they are the divine genetically-engineered leader of a group of fictional sand people, and people who think they are the ressurection of da vinci. Ad hominium ipso facto you FAIL
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma July 01, 2009, 07:48:12 AM
Yeah that woman - forgot about her !
"I was there so i know what happened, The people who say the govt did this have no right", , hmmm.
She was on a train, something went bang, then she partly deaf, disorientated, and stunned and laying on the floor - and???
Unless she has researched it she has no idea what happened, only what happened to her.

That program really pisses me off.

But it is good that they feel they need to discredit us - its the trying to tie us up with inciting radical behaviour from muslims that is bad, very bad !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Scootle July 01, 2009, 08:11:50 AM
What I find strange is that Rachel North is obviously unsatisfied with the official account... like most of survivors and family members ... but still finds the idea of a conspiracy ridiculous... Also she said in her BBC diary (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4670099.stm) that people didn't leave the Picadilly train for 20 minutes:

“After about 20 to 30 minutes we started to leave the train.”

But yet somehow these women were able to exit the train after "3 or 4 minutes":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4JD6Pnogvc&fmt=18

They also describe "an explosion overhead" and "orange light outside the carriage".
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 08:14:32 AM
What I find strange is that Rachel North is obviously unsatisfied with the official account... like most of survivors and family members ... but still finds the idea of a conspiracy ridiculous... Also she said in her BBC diary (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4670099.stm) that people didn't leave the Picadilly train for 20 minutes:

“After about 20 to 30 minutes we started to leave the train.”

But yet somehow these women were able to exit the train after "3 or 4 minutes":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4JD6Pnogvc&fmt=18

They also describe "an explosion overhead" and "orange light outside the carriage".

"Blue Rinse" m8  ;D

How did they manage to avoid Daniel Obachike  ?

: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Berminator July 01, 2009, 08:16:06 AM
so 7/7 ripple was made by another Messiah ?
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma July 01, 2009, 08:17:57 AM
If you have ever been in the middle of a major unfolding disaster scootle you will know that your brain switches into survival mode, memory at this point is unreliable, all it will do is try to keep you alive, even giving you tunnel vision, such is the intensity of concentration on the matter at hand.
After ward the survivor will often be stunned and confused and will cling to anything that is presented as a reasonable explanation

She knows something is not right - but she cannot grasp that muslim men were not responsible. Maybe she will with time.

I thought the worst of all the glossing was the bit regarding the photo

Theres a bar thro his face and left leg because of ummm pixelling on the blown up image, , , yeah, sure. Thats totally explained it away for me. . .
And definitive proof they were all in london - that cctv showing 4 men moving quite close in not much scenery - certainly nothing i would confirm as being in london. ASnyway they could have been in london - If they were patsy`s !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: jesqueal July 01, 2009, 08:18:36 AM
so 7/7 ripple was made by another Messiah ?
Nope, just good ole paul atriedes...But the film itself is quality
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Berminator July 01, 2009, 08:20:29 AM
Nope, just good ole paul atriedes...But the film itself is quality

So peter power had about 5 people working for him on the day?
ripple says hundreds, i call it bullshite now, though it's still interesting.
i do believe still it was a nwo job.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma July 01, 2009, 08:25:44 AM
bLIAR coming out saying it was muslim extremists when they had no idea who it was at that point is enough to convince me it was a inside job.

I just got a new out book called the terrorist hunters about 7/7 by the ex MET guy who is now calling for a public enquiry.

thought it might be interesting, some bits of it are.

In the first few pages he discusses a RTA that involved Bush on the morning of 7/7 . . . he ran into a car whilst cycling and was knocked on his ass apparently.

Not much further info on the actual bombings as yet. . . will post anything that looks worthy.

: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Mike Philbin July 01, 2009, 08:30:10 AM
this one?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Terrorist-Hunters-Andy-Hayman/dp/059306335X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246451261&sr=1-1
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma July 01, 2009, 08:31:53 AM
this one?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Terrorist-Hunters-Andy-Hayman/dp/059306335X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246451261&sr=1-1

Thats the one. . . a bit dull to read, but read it i will. No one can say i wont look at all the evidence, even if that evidence works faster than a dose of nytol !
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 08:34:58 AM
bLIAR coming out saying it was muslim extremists when they had no idea who it was at that point is enough to convince me it was a inside job.

I just got a new out book called the terrorist hunters about 7/7 by the ex MET guy who is now calling for a public enquiry.

thought it might be interesting, some bits of it are.

In the first few pages he discusses a RTA that involved Bush on the morning of 7/7 . . . he ran into a car whilst cycling and was knocked on his ass apparently.

Not much further info on the actual bombings as yet. . . will post anything that looks worthy.

Please Do !

I appreciate it can be real hard work to read an entire book just to come up with maybe one or two lines worthy of a quote. As a tip, I keep post it notes to use as book marks.

: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Stan July 01, 2009, 08:35:38 AM
We Are Change UK’s MI6 Secret Revealed
http://www.the4thbomb.com/we-are-change-uks-mi6-secret-revealed/

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: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 08:37:45 AM
We Are Change UK’s MI6 Secret Revealed
http://www.the4thbomb.com/we-are-change-uks-mi6-secret-revealed/

¬_¬

Cheers m8
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma July 01, 2009, 08:38:48 AM
Please Do !

I appreciate it can be real hard work to read an entire book just to come up with maybe one or two lines worthy of a quote. As a tip, I keep post it notes to use as book marks.

Cheers - i have been studying for so long that im pretty good at skimming books and just noting relevant stuff, guess i`ll have to tackle it at a time when i cant fall asleep !
The interesting stuff so far goes on about COBRA protocol etc, and outlines proceedures, all useful info for future erm, events.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: mr anderson July 01, 2009, 08:48:18 AM

Obligatory character attacks... blah blah ... Muad Dib and Shayler believe they're the messiah, kellerstroms a hollocaust denier....

I would suspect that he did not say that himself.

: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: mr anderson July 01, 2009, 08:52:17 AM
We Are Change UK’s MI6 Secret Revealed
http://www.the4thbomb.com/we-are-change-uks-mi6-secret-revealed/

¬_¬
I'd be nice if the author had some sources or evidence.

I'm withholding judgement and as always not rushing to an opinion.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Stan July 01, 2009, 08:56:01 AM
I'd be nice if the author had some sources or evidence.

I'm withholding judgement and as always not rushing to an opinion.

Same here. I was hoping for something a little more substantial than this, assuming he was right.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Dig July 01, 2009, 09:22:09 AM
We Are Change UK’s MI6 Secret Revealed
http://www.the4thbomb.com/we-are-change-uks-mi6-secret-revealed/

¬_¬

very interesting.  The British Royal Family is the most psycopathic paranoid inhuman family on the planet. If they were not having sleepless nights over how to infiltrate the truth movement I would be surprised.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: jesqueal July 01, 2009, 09:28:32 AM
We Are Change UK’s MI6 Secret Revealed
http://www.the4thbomb.com/we-are-change-uks-mi6-secret-revealed/

¬_¬
That website is BS...its 'proof' that WAC is a MOD group is a photo of one member with McKinney
http://www.the4thbomb.com/we-are-change-uk-is-an-mod-front/
Totally discredited, never supplies proof - check the comments
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma July 01, 2009, 09:34:16 AM
He started off good, then seemed to loose the plot over the last few years - everyone is a mi5 agent or MOD (MOD dont even have a surveillance team !)
He always deletes my comments - he posted one about some woman he was involved with four years ago (they dated for 2 months) he split with her cos he discovered she was mi5 (etc) . . . and he is still following her on facebook.
I left a comment asking why he was still following her after 4 years !!!
thats stalking i think !!!
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Danis July 01, 2009, 10:00:43 AM
He started off good, then seemed to loose the plot over the last few years - everyone is a mi5 agent or MOD (MOD dont even have a surveillance team !)...

Daniel, to me, seems to suffer from paranoia; MI5 and SIS can't be everywhere nor can they spend a lot of expenses on just one person.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Dig July 01, 2009, 10:00:59 AM
He started off good, then seemed to loose the plot over the last few years - everyone is a mi5 agent or MOD (MOD dont even have a surveillance team !)
He always deletes my comments - he posted one about some woman he was involved with four years ago (they dated for 2 months) he split with her cos he discovered she was mi5 (etc) . . . and he is still following her on facebook.
I left a comment asking why he was still following her after 4 years !!!
thats stalking i think !!!

and the plot thickens.  Yeah on his site he seems to think everyone on the planet is MoD like her was in a 1970's movie with Donald Sutherland.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: phasma July 01, 2009, 10:04:47 AM
I dont know if he believes it or does it to promote his book.

he takes random photos of ppl and says he`s a plant, this one was in the same chippy, he`s MOD . . .

I doubt they are still after him, he`s said all he has to say i think !
: Re: BBC AJ story
: Virgil_Hilts July 01, 2009, 10:14:56 AM
What, do I need a bigger avatar or something? They are saying that the guy that made 7/7 Ripple Effect was also mentally delusional. Don't any of you think that that's even a little interesting?
: Re: BBC AJ story
: phasma July 01, 2009, 10:16:59 AM
If he did say he is the new jesus etc then they might be right - still does`nt mean everything he says is rubbish ! But it does lessen his credibility somewhat.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Stan July 01, 2009, 10:28:58 AM
very interesting.  The British Royal Family is the most psycopathic paranoid inhuman family on the planet. If they were not having sleepless nights over how to infiltrate the truth movement I would be surprised.

Yeah, regardless of wether Daniel's claims are true you have to assume they're at least trying to infiltrate some or all of these groups. These are paranoid control freaks we're talking about. I mean it's not like we're the ones who're obsessed with knowing every little thing about Joe Bloggs and his dog, and I don't lie awake all night wondering what the next door neighbour is upto.
: Re: HQ VIDEO TORRENT: BBC's The Conspiracy Files (77 Hit Peice)
: crutley July 01, 2009, 10:49:52 AM
Plenty of seeders now, so it should all download a lot quicker for all you impatient peeps out there. Just do the good thing and return the favor by seeding it for a while yourselves.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: chaosrules July 01, 2009, 11:16:24 AM
At least "Ripple Effect" got a good Plugging. I was so furious with the show. Even the narrator was talking down to the viewer!!. To me it just goes to show they have something to hide. They missed out so many points from the ripple effect. Dont know why I watched I knew it would leave me agog. Even had a pop Alex Jones.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: Scootle July 01, 2009, 11:22:27 AM
What I really don't like is how they say we ignored details of the drills... WE DIDNT KNOW THE DETAILS... Peter Power wasn't officially investigated and he repeatedly denied requests of independent researchers for interviews. He didnt reveal anymore details about it until a few months ago.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/peter-power-reveals-more-details-of-77-terrorist-bombing-drills.html
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: JBS July 01, 2009, 02:16:23 PM
I refused to watch BBC anything because I refuse to subject myself to irritating propaganda. Anything they say is a guaranteed lie and I feel sorry for those who watched it and believed it.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: JBS July 01, 2009, 02:18:34 PM
Yeah, regardless of wether Daniel's claims are true you have to assume they're at least trying to infiltrate some or all of these groups. These are paranoid control freaks we're talking about. I mean it's not like we're the ones who're obsessed with knowing every little thing about Joe Bloggs and his dog, and I don't lie awake all night wondering what the next door neighbour is upto.

Infiltrators are easy to spot. You just need to look at them in the eyes and they will get scared, like most liars do.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 02:20:41 PM
I refused to watch BBC anything because I refuse to subject myself to irritating propaganda. Anything they say is a guaranteed lie and I feel sorry for those who watched it and believed it.

Well I only watched it to be able to refute any of the assertions it made.

I will not condem anyone who did not watch it.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 01, 2009, 02:28:45 PM
Well I only watched it to be able to refute any of the assertions it made.

I will not condem anyone who did not watch it.

I watched it to see if they have come up with any new more interesting rebuttals - didnt see one.
Not sure whether the peter power drill was really on paper or not, and i`m not sure it matters in any event. The idea of these drills is to create chatter to confuse systems that are listening in (other non friendly countries for example) so paper or real life it will have the same effect.
: Re: NEW - BBC propaganda "Hit Piece" on 7/7 - Tonight on BBC2
: kushfiend July 01, 2009, 02:31:19 PM
What I really don't like is how they say we ignored details of the drills... WE DIDNT KNOW THE DETAILS... Peter Power wasn't officially investigated and he repeatedly denied requests of independent researchers for interviews. He didnt reveal anymore details about it until a few months ago.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/peter-power-reveals-more-details-of-77-terrorist-bombing-drills.html

+1

good point scooter.  These stupid mock-u-mentries just piss me off.  So filled with lies they all blend together.  Not to mention that many witnesses reported the explosion coming from beneath the train, not from a bag brought on it.

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 02:35:17 PM
I watched it to see if they have come up with any new more interesting rebuttals - didnt see one.
Not sure whether the  drill was really on paper or not, and i`m not sure it matters in any event. The idea of these drills is to create chatter to confuse systems that are listening in (other non friendly countries for example) so paper or real life it will have the same effect.

Well I do not know for sure about "Peter Power", but him just saying "I am innocent" is not proof.
If they was so sure why no proof ?

With the israelis and netenahu  they did point out that it could be sourced to associated press, but again they did not offer proof they just repeated a statement by mossad some one form the israeli embassy.

Its classic hit piece, making assertions as if they are fact.

The one that really got me was a one line claim about the forged cctv picture of the alleged suspects at Luton station.


: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 01, 2009, 02:41:50 PM
Well I do not know for sure about "Peter Power", but him just saying "I am innocent" is not proof.
If they was so sure why no proof ?

With the israelis and netenahu  they did point out that it could be sourced to associated press, but again they did not offer proof they just repeated a statement by mossad some one form the israeli embassy.

Its classic hit piece, making assertions as if they are fact.

The one that really got me was a one line claim about the forged cctv picture of the alleged suspects at Luton station.



I read another book by some guy who really looked into the london bombs (The london bombings - an independant inquiry - nafeez mosaddeq ahmed). It turns out that half the planet were warning them of an unfolding event for weeks, if not months prior to the actual attacks ! (inc pakistan, french, saudi, spanish and israeli secret services !)

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
I read another book by some guy who really looked into the london bombs (The london bombings - an independant inquiry - nafeez mosaddeq ahmed). It turns out that half the planet were warning them of an unfolding event for weeks, if not months prior to the actual attacks ! (inc pakistan, french, saudi, spanish and israeli secret services !)



That would fit into the standard operating procedure of the false flag attack by the illuminati.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Mike Philbin July 01, 2009, 02:52:52 PM
what is this propaganda or lies or truth? about "follow the Israelis" with events like 9/11 (guys not turning up for work? told not to get on planes?) and 7/7 (some Israeli MP told to stay out of London)?

weren't different groups of Israelis told to FLEE on either of these two days?

is this disinfo or did it REALLY happen?
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: JBS July 01, 2009, 02:53:25 PM
Well I only watched it to be able to refute any of the assertions it made.

I will not condem anyone who did not watch it.


Nor would I condem anyone for watching it, as long as they realize what it really is. Never hurts to know what the sheep are eating.
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: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 02:56:55 PM
Nor would I condem anyone for watching it, as long as they realize what it really is. Never hurts to know what the sheep are eating.

Gave me indigestion

 ;D
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 01, 2009, 02:58:02 PM
That would fit into the standard operating procedure of the false flag attack by the illuminati.

well yes, it would, Funny that huh.

And as far as i know AP reported that mossad warned uk govt - but then retracted it. Netehyahu did not go to the metting he was supposed to attend - it was due to start earlier than the bombs (so he didnt miss it because of the bombs).

Just another thing swept under the carpet out of our sight.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 01, 2009, 03:07:14 PM
Haha ... Just rewatching it and noticed another distortion ... when they made the comparison to the indestructable 9/11 passport that survived a plane crash and two demolitions and was found the next day... they show u Ziad Jarrah's passport that was heavily burnt...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Ziad_Jarrah_Passport_Photo.jpg/160px-Ziad_Jarrah_Passport_Photo.jpg)

but that one was from Flight 93! ... the passport they were talking about was Al Suqami's from Flight 11 that looked like this...

(http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Saquami_Passport.jpg)
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 03:08:43 PM
Haha ... Just rewatching it and noticed another distortion ... when they made the comparison to the indestructable 9/11 passport that survived a plane crash and two demolitions and was found the next day... they show u Ziad Jarrah's passport that was heavily burnt...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Ziad_Jarrah_Passport_Photo.jpg/160px-Ziad_Jarrah_Passport_Photo.jpg)

but that one was from Flight 93! ... the passport they were talking about was Al Suqami's from Flight 11 that looked like this...

(http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Saquami_Passport.jpg)

Well done, great bit of research as it debunks a chunk of the film visually in seconds.

: Re: BBC AJ story
: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 03:35:37 PM
HOWTO burn 50 Copies of '7/7 Ripple Effect' (26p each)

(1) Download the ISO from here Friends of Muad'Dib (http://mtrial.org/)
  
(2) Goto Asda
   grab the pack of 50 x Blank DVD's £10.00
   grab two packs of clear plastic  wallets £1.50 x 2
   pay £13.00

(3) Burn 50 Copies of 7/7, double click on the ISO you downloaded,
your computer should know what to do with it.

(4) Figure its not working because you forgot to put a blank dvd in the drive.

(5) Write with marker pen 7/7 Ripple Effect DVD Film

You can drop them in peoples letter boxes, and be anonymous.
Its important to label it as a Film / DVD for TV, people really are that dumb.

 
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Stan July 01, 2009, 04:58:27 PM
The purpose of this website is to serve as the official outlet for news regarding Muad’Dib’s arrest and trial, and also to appeal for your participation in putting another nail in the coffin of the so-called N.W.O. which only Muad’Dib (on Earth) knows how to defeat forever.

And also remember to check the ISO file for any links to this website.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 05:52:20 PM
And also remember to check the ISO file for any links to this website.

Eh ?
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 06:42:48 PM
And also remember to check the ISO file for any links to this website.

Dohhh silly me

When I tested the DVD all became clear, it has a proper menu with the option "visit website", which leads to some extra text document / letter.

Very well put together...

Silly me . . .

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Stan July 01, 2009, 06:57:13 PM
Hmmm. What was the quality like? I've only ever seen the Google version.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Philip King July 01, 2009, 07:39:25 PM
Thanks for the link to 7/7 ripple effect. Saw the feeble BBC doc even included a personal attack on Alex.
Have'nt seen ripple effect yet. downloading now.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Dig July 01, 2009, 07:48:44 PM
Thanks for the link to 7/7 ripple effect. Saw the feeble BBC doc even included a personal attack on Alex.
Have'nt seen ripple effect yet. downloading now.

ripple effect kicks ass!!!
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 07:50:55 PM
Hmmm. What was the quality like? I've only ever seen the Google version.

I test played it, having also only ever watched the freebie versions, and it was great.
Epic fail for Auntie BBC and the illuminati . . .

My better half is behind the idea even though she has not seen the BBC hit piece. She is american, (not her fault hahah ) and it is one of her fravorite films. She could nt belive that they made any issue about the name Mau'Did , as she recons every one has read Dune or seen the awfull celluloid version.

Anyway, I'd encourage anyone reading this who is annoyed at the BBC to stick one were it hurts . . . in the DVD Writer and get toasting DVD's and hand them out..
: Re: BBC AJ story - burn down the NWO - with 'The 7/7 Ripple Effect'
: EvadingGrid July 01, 2009, 07:53:19 PM

Burn Down the NWO !
Toast a DVD and hand it out !


HOWTO burn 50 Copies of '7/7 Ripple Effect' (26p each)

(1) Download the ISO from here Friends of Muad'Dib (http://mtrial.org/)
  
(2) Goto Asda
   grab the pack of 50 x Blank DVD's £10.00
   grab two packs of clear plastic  wallets £1.50 x 2
   pay £13.00

(3) Burn 50 Copies of 7/7, double click on the ISO you downloaded,
your computer should know what to do with it.

(4) Figure its not working because you forgot to put a blank dvd in the drive.

(5) Write with marker pen 7/7 Ripple Effect DVD Film

You can drop them in peoples letter boxes, and be anonymous.
Its important to label it as a Film / DVD for TV, people really are that dumb.



Toast a DVD and hand it out !
Burn Down the NWO !

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Philip King July 01, 2009, 09:32:45 PM
Just watched Riple Effect, Excellent!  In total contrast to aunty beebs b.s. I found the doc to be extremely well reasearched and presented by a very coherent and articulate man. Not the cranky old hippy/psuedo moslem who thinks he's jesus as the BBC portrayed.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Dig July 01, 2009, 11:22:46 PM
Just watched Riple Effect, Excellent!  In total contrast to aunty beebs b.s. I found the doc to be extremely well reasearched and presented by a very coherent and articulate man. Not the cranky old hippy/psuedo moslem who thinks he's jesus as the BBC portrayed.

and that is why to this day he is the only one arrested for making a video of 7/7.

BECAUSE IT IS SO FRICKING TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they cannot taint the truth then they arrest the truth teller.

Queen Elizabeth II is the epitome of a psycopathic genocidal paranoid incestuous control freak. Let him out of prison, just because he told the truth you lock him up? How the hell is England NOT a master/slave state of insanity?
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Voskhod3 July 02, 2009, 03:46:34 AM
The official report talks about what the supposed bombers did in Luton Station car park in the hours before catching the train - including moving cars about, moving stuff between cars, walking around the car park, going and checking the timetable and more.

The only way they could know this is because;

a) It's all on CCTV.
b) they were being followed.

I don't think they'll claim "b" in a million years, so they must have lots of CCTV footage.

Why haven't they shown it? There is absolutely no reason they could give for not showing it.

In fact they've only ever shown four pictures, some of them closely cropped.

They don't seem very interested in trying to jog the memory of the public.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Mike Philbin July 02, 2009, 03:50:55 AM
Very interesting (and in-depth) response from 'Danny' on Prison Planet (his link goes to JAH Publishing):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bbc-77-documentary-just-a-hitpiece-or-something-more-sinister.html#comment-415016

I've just contacted 'Danny' as part of a blog entry I'm putting together about this 7/7 propaganda piece.

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 02, 2009, 10:19:00 AM
and that is why to this day he is the only one arrested for making a video of 7/7.

BECAUSE IT IS SO FRICKING TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they cannot taint the truth then they arrest the truth teller.


Now that sums it up with the eloquence it truly deserves...

I could post a longer answer to back the above up, but what is the point ?

You'd have to be pretty stupid not to realise that going to the trouble of extradition from Ireland, which is a neutral country allegedly hostile to the monarchy for a petty offence is proof of guilt by the authorities. Those that have been around the block a couple of times will recall that many of the english attempts to extradite a citizen from the free republic have failed.

And lets be honest, your not supposed to corrupt or influence a jury. However, we are not talking about some gangsta trying to intimidate a jury, we are talking about a minor infraction of the rules... deserving no attention by the authorities. Even that is open to debate,  as the film was in the public domain.

Queen Elizabeth II is the epitome of a psycopathic genocidal paranoid incestuous control freak. Let him out of prison, just because he told the truth you lock him up? How the hell is England NOT a master/slave state of insanity?

No way is she top level illuminati, she is just a puppet like all the other monarchs in history.
 
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 02, 2009, 10:23:47 AM
Very interesting (and in-depth) response from 'Danny' on Prison Planet (his link goes to JAH Publishing):
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bbc-77-documentary-just-a-hitpiece-or-something-more-sinister.html#comment-415016

I've just contacted 'Danny' as part of a blog entry I'm putting together about this 7/7 propaganda piece.



Here it is

Danny Says:
 July 1st, 2009 at 5:18 pm

There was an email exchange between Muad’Dib and the BBC people producing the Conspiracy Files program, prior to the “ambush” on the street. Terms were not agreed for Muad’Dib’s participation in the program. He wanted a guarantee that they would show 7/7 Ripple Effect on prime time, and then He would take part in their program. So that even if they did make a hit-piece (like they have done), the truth would already have been shown to the British people.

Then; in full knowledge that terms had not been agreed; they went and started filming Him to use the footage in their program, asking Him all sorts of insinuating and downright baffling questions. This is why He refused to speak a word to them and passed by them. They have no honour.

The makers of this BBC program are liars because they pretended to set out to genuinely appraise the alternative theories concerning 7/7. But that footage of Muad’Dib on the street was filmed a year ago, in Summer of 2008. Did you notice the “reporter” accusing Muad’Dib of lying about innocent people? ONE YEAR AGO?

So they never had ANY intention of being fair, right from the start. They didn’t bother telling you, the viewer, that the footage was a year old, in order to protect the illusion of their impartiality.

Another deception was them presenting the incident they themselves fabricated, as them “exposing” Muad’Dib as a white man from Sheffield. To the hundreds of thousands who knew Muad’Dib or had heard of Him before, this was not a surprise. He has NEVER denied being a white man from Sheffield! But we do not exist or are irrelevant to the British Bullshitting Corporation.

The revelation of who He is, is not new at all, and has been publicly available knowledge since TWENTY-THREE years ago, when Muad’Dib wrote the book “The Way home or face The Fire”. If a substantial number of people have only been exposed to this fact now, it has a lot to do with the very same BBC stonewalling Him for all those years until they could no longer pretend He does not exist.

They are now obviously afraid of the impact that 7/7 Ripple Effect is having, and judged that more damage would be incurred by ignoring it than by attempting to colour it the way they want people to see it. The latter being what they set out to do in their program. But; having seen it; I reckon they have shot themselves in the foot. The ripple effect is becoming a tidal wave and cannot be stopped either by them sticking their heads in the sand or by attacking it with weak ad-hominem arguments. All they have done is feed the wave, accelerate it.

Anyone else notice that Canary Wharf wasn’t mentioned even once? I wonder why.

Anyone notice that the interviewer did not ask Peter Power: “if it was only an office exercise with no bearing on what took place, then why did you say ‘we had to jump from slow-time thinking to quick-time doing’?”.

“We had to suddenly switch the exercise from fictional to real” - Peter Power.
http://www.youtube.com/v/JKvkhe3rqtc

“We had to jump from slow-time thinking to quick-time doing” - Peter Power.
http://www.youtube.com/v/sEbUQiYOGjU
Just an office exercise aye Peter??

And how about the laughable assertion that the four Muslim men dropped their ID’s away from the blast locations so that they would be found intact and everyone would know who did it? Talk about clutching at straws aye?

Let’s be clear - if they really were terrorists who wanted everyone to know they did it, then they would have specified their targets in the videos. They would also not have made the videos in 2004 because there would be a risk of the videos being found prior to the attack. They would have filmed themselves the night before the attack, or the very morning of the attack.

Leaving ID’s at the scene, when there would possibly be hundreds of other ID’s belonging to other people, would not provide a reasonable signature of who-dun-it. Not to mention that Mohammed Sidique Khan’s ID was found in three separate blast locations according to the official report. This makes no sense unless someone planted it, after the event, and this also was not addressed in the BBC hit-piece. You see, why would two terrorists who wanted everyone to be SURE who did it; according to the BBC; carry ID belonging to a third terrorist, when this would only cause a big question mark in people’s minds about whether or not this meant the evidence was planted by another party?

The Truth MAKES SENSE.
Lies don’t.
That’s how you know it’s the Truth.

This Conspiracy Files program helped to drive home what is said in 7/7 Ripple Effect about the BBC being a government propaganda organ and that it lies to the British people. For doing such a good job of that, I’m very grateful.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 02, 2009, 10:25:03 AM

I've just contacted 'Danny' as part of a blog entry I'm putting together about this 7/7 propaganda piece.

w00t !

Excellent !!!
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Mike Philbin July 02, 2009, 10:26:53 AM
Excellent !!!

yeah, he thanked me for my inclusion of his public response on Prison Planet into my 7/7 blog post.

:0)

I don't remember where I heard it (it certainly wasn't on the BBC news site) but the BBC is infiltrated with Common Purpose. So, what a surprise there's been such an obviously corporate hit-piece made. Not good, not good at all.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Dig July 02, 2009, 11:22:23 AM
No way is she top level illuminati, she is just a puppet like all the other monarchs in history.

And the sooner she gives Buckingham Palace to the people the better.  SHe may be a puppet, but all written authority is hers. She has legal power over all the empire and has used that power in the worst interest of her slaves.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 02, 2009, 11:30:25 AM
And the sooner she gives Buckingham Palace to the people the better.  SHe may be a puppet, but all written authority is hers. She has legal power over all the empire and has used that power in the worst interest of her slaves.

While I'd like to see the monarchy kept for the tourists, I'm one of those awkward customers who think that it is wholly inappropriate to have a monarchy in the 21st Century. The thing that gets me really angry about the crown is the allodial property scam the royal family exercises. The crown is not the constitutional monarchy we are brainwashed into beliving.

oops I'm starting to rant
and get off topic...

Next I'll be moaning about the English Civil War...
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 02, 2009, 11:32:43 AM
yeah, he thanked me for my inclusion of his public response on Prison Planet into my 7/7 blog post.

:0)

I don't remember where I heard it (it certainly wasn't on the BBC news site) but the BBC is infiltrated with Common Purpose. So, what a surprise there's been such an obviously corporate hit-piece made. Not good, not good at all.

Yea I wonder how many of the panorama crew are infected with the "Common Purpose NLP Virus"

Brian Gerish rocks . . .
he is such an old school gentlemen . . .
so honest and upright.

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Mike Philbin July 02, 2009, 11:59:55 AM
November 10, 2001 - President Bush Speaks to United Nations
G.W. Bush:

"We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous
conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th;
malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists,
themselves, away from the guilty. To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance
the cause of terror."
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 02, 2009, 12:22:04 PM
November 10, 2001 - President Bush Speaks to United Nations
G.W. Bush:

"We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous
conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th;
malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists,
themselves, away from the guilty. To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance
the cause of terror."


They gotta use that in the opening statement when we get him on trial...
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Stan July 02, 2009, 01:10:46 PM
While I'd like to see the monarchy kept for the tourists...

Yeah, so would I. In the Tower of London.  8)
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 02, 2009, 01:20:41 PM
Yeah, so would I. In the Tower of London.  8)

ROFL

What they try and indoctrinate us is that the Royal Family are just for the tourists, and for getting gullible Arabs to give england fat arms contracts.

None of it stands up to any serious examination.

Every week while Parliament is sitting you can see the truth by following the Prime Minister as he has to report to the Queen and her Advisor's...

As to Allodial Property Rights....
I encourage everyone to check this out for them selves.
Its no good me making crazy talk in a conspiracy forum, you have to check the facts out for your selves.

The Queen owns every single square inch of England, no peasant owns a single inch of the land. When you get the Deeds to the Property, that just gives you the legal right to sell the land Fee Simple.

This issue is real, it is NOT a PATRIOT MYTH.....

Try looking it up on Wikipedia..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title

PS I suspect that Stan already knows this as do some of the other regular posters from the UK, this applies to all countries which inherited "English Law".

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 02, 2009, 05:57:29 PM
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that this destruction was caused by concentrated hydrogen peroxide and powdered masala sauce?

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/08/01/article-1040732-02DCFFD90000044D-105_468x530.jpg)

 ... Maybe we should call the Mythbusters lol.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 02, 2009, 07:07:09 PM
Does anyone else find it hard to believe that this destruction was caused by concentrated hydrogen peroxide and powdered masala sauce?

Eek I quiet like a ruby murray

I had no idea that eating curry was that dangerous.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 02, 2009, 07:14:34 PM
The type of explosives have changed many times ... first they were believed to be military C4, RDX or TNT ... then it changed to TATP ... now its hydrogen peroxide and flour/pepper/sauce or summit ... u'd think considering they actually have some of the explosives that were conveniently left behind they'd know....

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/popup?id=979901&contentIndex=1&start=false&page=5

Honestly... the fraud is so blatant its unreal ... its just like how Mohammad Atta conveniently left his bag at the airport with aload of evidence in.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 02, 2009, 07:33:39 PM
The type of explosives have changed many times ... first they were believed to be military C4, RDX or TNT ... then it changed to TATP ... now its hydrogen peroxide and flour/pepper/sauce or summit ... u'd think considering they actually have some of the explosives that were conveniently left behind they'd know....

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/popup?id=979901&contentIndex=1&start=false&page=5

Honestly... the fraud is so blatant its unreal ... its just like how Mohammad Atta conveniently left his bag at the airport with aload of evidence in.

Yup

Do not know what to say as the conspirators utter stupidity leaves me with nothing intelligent to say.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Philip King July 02, 2009, 09:49:19 PM
Home made, in the kitchen sink?  NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Mike Philbin July 03, 2009, 02:54:44 AM
Jean Charles de Menezes - noticable by his absence.

:(
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 03, 2009, 03:42:28 AM
Jean Charles de Menezes - noticable by his absence.

:(
Quite. Im still reading that terrorist hunters book, he was mentioned in there - along with a section on police surveillance, and a bit about those other guys they shot accidentally in a flat in london. There is a bit in it that i will type out later, that talks about the fact that there is only so many police, and that they want to mobilise the civilians to be their eyes and ears and it was quite sinister actually.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 03, 2009, 08:32:59 AM
Haha ... it backfired on them ...

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/8575/77rippleeffecttrend.png)
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 03, 2009, 08:36:18 AM
ha ha ha
great.
hopefully ppl`s opinions won`t be coloured by what they saw on that stupid program.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 03, 2009, 09:10:38 AM
Yeh ... well even if they don't by into the conspiracy... u can't deny how ridiculous it makes the official story seem ... my favourite bit is where he shows the illogical movements of Hasib Hussain taking the number 91 bus, then boarding the number 30 bus which was supposed to go back to where he started but was then diverted to tavistock square ... which he supposedly wouldnt have known about ... and the fact that the number 91 bus actually goes to tavistock square! ... just from that, any rational person can come to the conclusion that the number 30 bus was specifically singled out.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 03, 2009, 09:13:59 AM
They admitted that that no 30 bus was the ONLY bus to be diverted that day ! No explanation as to why the only bus that was diverted was also the one to blow up !

Another unbelievable coincidence i guess !
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: mr anderson July 03, 2009, 11:29:00 AM
The type of explosives have changed many times ... first they were believed to be military C4, RDX or TNT ... then it changed to TATP ... now its hydrogen peroxide and flour/pepper/sauce or summit ... u'd think considering they actually have some of the explosives that were conveniently left behind they'd know....

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/popup?id=979901&contentIndex=1&start=false&page=5

Honestly... the fraud is so blatant its unreal ... its just like how Mohammad Atta conveniently left his bag at the airport with aload of evidence in.
I'm seeing a trend  ;)

The Bali Bombing's in Oct 12, 2002 'bomb makeup' changed several times aswell... got all the evidence and dumped it into the ocean..

1 year, 1 month and 1 day after 9/11  :-[ *Shakes head*. Then again in 2005...  >:(

Great Documentary on that is 'Fool Me Twice' - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4135706276167925924

I just shake my head that US, UK, Spain, Indonesia x 2 are hit... and the news in Australia is just peppering the stories about this target might be hit, terrorists might use this and I'm just waiting for the day - It's bound to come.  :(
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 03, 2009, 11:33:40 AM
I'm seeing a trend  ;)

The Bali Bombing's in Oct 12, 2002 'bomb makeup' changed several times aswell... got all the evidence and dumped it into the ocean..

1 year, 1 month and 1 day after 9/11  :-[ *Shakes head*. Then again in 2005...  >:(

You can follow it all back to Oklahoma City and Mc Viegh... Its like they stuffed that one up on so many levels, and yet got away with it, then refined and adapted there ideas on modus operandi.

I did watch the video some one made on the Bali Bombing BTW.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: mr anderson July 03, 2009, 11:45:55 AM
You can follow it all back to Oklahoma City and Mc Viegh... Its like they stuffed that one up on so many levels, and yet got away with it, then refined and adapted there ideas on modus operandi.

I did watch the video some one made on the Bali Bombing BTW.

Mmm not to deviate away from 7/7 but it all works together... with OKC it was the militias, with UK, US & Indonesia it was Muslim "Terrorists".

Certainly I believe with a high degree of certainty an attack here will be blamed on Muslims. Some people can be overtly racist by simple conditioning.

OR they'll blame it on Outlaw Bikie Gangs... the Bikie Gangs are the renewed focus now and people are as ignorant when it comes to Bikies as they are Muslims.

I may be a tad delusional here but perhaps our intel guys never accepted participating in any terrorist attack here?  :( OR they just haven't been given a "exercise" to carry out. Just remember folks our first terrorist attack was in 1978 and Australian Intel had it f-ing paws all over it!  ::)

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=88905.0

Back on topic though >>> I remember seeing the Live reports come in at home and was confused as to what had happened. First they said some electrical or gas explosion and then all the conditioning started to rev up.

With 9/11 I never had an emotional response rather what I can only try and describe as my subconscious saying 'Don't jump the gun, does this look right to you? How can this happen in a country with the likes of MI5 / 6 & CIA sharing a bed? And how could they have not stopped this?'

That's the question! How could the intelligence agencies not stop it?!

Well if the good guys weren't being stonewalled and the whole organisation did their job---ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!  ;D
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 03, 2009, 11:51:33 AM
Now this is interesting... I was just looking at the July Seventh Truth site and there's a whole page about Peter Power's exercise and they have a quote that I hadn't seen before... The day after 7/7, in an interview with a local Manchester newspaper, he said this:

: http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/july-7-terror-rehearsal.html#mockbroadcasts
Mr Power said: "I was an inspector at the time of the King's Cross fire and was involved in co-ordinating the operation.

"After leaving the Met, I set up my own crisis managment consultancy.  Yesterday we were actually in the City working on an exercise involving mock broadcasts when it happened for real.

"When news bulletins started coming on, people began to say how realistic our exercise was - not realising there was an attack

We then became involved in a real crisis which we had to manage for the company."

Mr Power added: "During the exercise we were working on yesterday, we were looking at a situation where there had been bombs at key London transport locations - although we weren't specifically looking at a scenario where there had been a bomb on a bus.

"It's a standard exercise and briefing that we carry out."
Image of the newspaper article: http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/images/PeterPower-ManchesterEveningNews.jpg

"Mock Broadcasts"? He didn't say anything about that in the BBC piece!
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: mr anderson July 03, 2009, 11:58:32 AM
Now this is interesting... I was just looking at the July Seventh Truth site and there's a whole page about Peter Power's exercise and they have a quote that I hadn't seen before... The day after 7/7, in an interview with a local Manchester newspaper, he said this:
Image of the newspaper article: http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/images/PeterPower-ManchesterEveningNews.jpg

"Mock Broadcasts"? He didn't say anything about that in the BBC piece!

Mmmm that reminds me of 'Flu-casters' where a news broadcast was deemed to be real but at the end proclaimed it was fake and part of an exercise.

Ain't it just sickening.
"When news bulletins started coming on, people began to say how realistic our exercise was - not realising there was an attack." - Peter Power

Blurring reality for those involved in the "Exercise"... How on earth are you to be sure that in the future the exercises you participate in aren't terrorist attacks?! And that even as a first responder you may be the patsy terrorist..  ???
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: Voskhod3 July 03, 2009, 12:00:16 PM
"Mock Broadcasts"? He didn't say anything about that in the BBC piece!

Correct.

Mr Power isn't telling the truth.

Mr Power is a key player in 7/7.
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: Mike Philbin July 03, 2009, 12:52:46 PM
hey, let's arrest him and put him under oath so he can Lie on the Bible.

 ::)
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: mr anderson July 03, 2009, 12:55:46 PM
hey, let's arrest him and put him under oath so he can Lie on the Bible.

 ::)
Can I suggest that he obtain a particular Bible from a Prison library and just forget to sign him out?  ;D
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 03, 2009, 01:03:35 PM
Actually, i had heard (read) somewhere that he had some mock broadcasts during his drill. I very much doubt though that it involved only 6 people ! And why hasn`t what ever company he was running this drill for come forward and said, yes actually it was for us ! What would be the harm?
Also, what normal small company with 6 employees would need to employ powers to imagine up the kind of scenario the occurred on july 7th?
One final thing that bugs me - He is known to say "we had to jump from slow time thinking to quick time doing"
Why?
He was nothing to do with the london bombs - he was running an exercise for a small company, he was not employed by the govt, why did he have to jump to quick time doing? Who made that his responsibility? What did it have to do with him ?
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Voskhod3 July 03, 2009, 01:09:46 PM
He is known to say "we had to jump from slow time thinking to quick time doing"

"Quick time doing" must involve appearing on the TV and Radio putting out a story about a coincidental drill (just in case anyone was wondering if there was a connection) a short time after the event.

Because that's what he did.

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 03, 2009, 01:10:24 PM
Actually the company had 1000 employees, the crisis team supposedly involved only 6 ... but yeh it is a little odd that he would have to switch it from fictional to real and cause confusion if it was just a table top discussion and a powerpoint presentation as he now claims ...

I dont like accusing the people the BBC interview as willing participants but after Mark "Thermite can't bring down a building symmetrically, but fire can" Loizeux's testimony in the WTC7 hitpiece, it seems most of the people they interview are liars who were involved in these crimes...
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 03, 2009, 01:14:30 PM
Except, that Im sure i read somewhere there was a large drill going on involving police and actors playing casualties (like obachikes infamous guy with bandage on head yelling and screaming near bus !
Also, why was there so many police around tavistock sq prior to the blast - if what obachike and other survivors recall is true?

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 03, 2009, 01:21:23 PM
O i have no doubt the bus was specifically singled out, and rerouted to an area with loads of police, actors and agents waiting ... all the evidence seems to indicate that and the official story is just completely illogical.

I'd love to know who these actors are ... it's like that harley shirted guy on 9/11 who said "it veered right into the world trade center exploding through the other side and then I watched both towers collapse first one and then the other, mostly due to structural failure coz the fire was just too intense"... their presence really is quite sinister...
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 03, 2009, 01:31:11 PM
so, If you were an actor that day playing that role. wouldnt you have talked?

Unless they were not actors but all agents playing actors?

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 03, 2009, 01:44:23 PM
Well not necessarily ... Do hitmen feel guilty about the people they kill? ... Do the people who rigged the twin towers feel guilty about it? ... Probably not ... for the right price people will do anything ... and these agents and actors were probably paid alot of money.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 03, 2009, 01:47:36 PM
Well not necessarily ... Do hitmen feel guilty about the people they kill? ... Do the people who rigged the twin towers feel guilty about it? ... Probably not ... for the right price people will do anything ... and these agents and actors were probably paid alot of money.
Or gagged by official secrets act and threatened with never ending jail sentences or worse !
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 03, 2009, 01:52:08 PM
In the case of 9/11 they were probably killed ... Barry Jennings' testimony of stepping over dead bodies just opens up a hole new rabbit hole... who were those people? Were they the ones who remotely flew the planes? Were they the ones who rigged the buildings up? Was building 7 demolished to cover up their deaths? Seems like a better explanation than the "we dont have a paper shredder so we're gonna demolish an entire building" theory!
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Mike Philbin July 03, 2009, 02:21:47 PM
He was nothing to do with the london bombs - he was running an exercise for a small company, he was not employed by the govt, why did he have to jump to quick time doing? Who made that his responsibility? What did it have to do with him ?

Exactly, and if the BBC documentary would have had any balls, they would have questioned him about just this, and several other things. It's really insidious that this Common Purpose infested corporation are LYING TO US ALL THE TIME, for a corporate purpose that involved Global Domination and EUGENICS.

PS: why is SUICIDE illegal when there's clearly more benefit for as many people as possible no longer being alive. That's the bit that really PISSES ME OFF, the kill yourself, it's illegal to kill yourself issue

It's like they ONLY get their corporate rocks off if they're seeing people suffer while they play their ridiculous game of RISK. I mean, I'm sure there's NOT some alien beast who's running our global 'elite' demanding that they inflict as much PAIN AND SUFFERING as possible as part of some intergalactic deal .... but I know that's f**king bullshit as well. Then again....
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 03, 2009, 02:24:26 PM
In the case of 9/11 they were probably killed ... Barry Jennings' testimony of stepping over dead bodies just opens up a hole new rabbit hole... who were those people? Were they the ones who remotely flew the planes? Were they the ones who rigged the buildings up? Was building 7 demolished to cover up their deaths? Seems like a better explanation than the "we dont have a paper shredder so we're gonna demolish an entire building" theory!

Really good point.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 03, 2009, 02:25:10 PM
Exactly, and if the BBC documentary would have had any balls, they would have questioned him about just this, and several other things. It's really insidious that this Common Purpose infested corporation are LYING TO US ALL THE TIME, for a corporate purpose that involved Global Domination and EUGENICS.

PS: why is SUICIDE illegal when there's clearly more benefit for as many people as possible no longer being alive. That's the bit that really PISSES ME OFF, the kill yourself, it's illegal to kill yourself issue

It's like they ONLY get their corporate rocks off if they're seeing people suffer while they play their ridiculous game of RISK. I mean, I'm sure there's NOT some alien beast who's running our global 'elite' demanding that they inflict as much PAIN AND SUFFERING as possible as part of some intergalactic deal .... but I know that's f**king bullshit as well. Then again....

Poor old Auntie BBC is getting shredded in here  ;D  ;D  ;D
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 03, 2009, 04:08:27 PM
Exactly, and if the BBC documentary would have had any balls, they would have questioned him about just this, and several other things. It's really insidious that this Common Purpose infested corporation are LYING TO US ALL THE TIME, for a corporate purpose that involved Global Domination and EUGENICS.

PS: why is SUICIDE illegal when there's clearly more benefit for as many people as possible no longer being alive. That's the bit that really PISSES ME OFF, the kill yourself, it's illegal to kill yourself issue

It's like they ONLY get their corporate rocks off if they're seeing people suffer while they play their ridiculous game of RISK. I mean, I'm sure there's NOT some alien beast who's running our global 'elite' demanding that they inflict as much PAIN AND SUFFERING as possible as part of some intergalactic deal .... but I know that's f**king bullshit as well. Then again....

Is suicide actually illegal???
I didnt know that ! LOL. How can they decide that its not for you to decide when your life will end ? And how could they prosecute you if you were successful ! :S
Very weird ! :)
: Daily Mail - Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7
: Mike Philbin July 04, 2009, 11:14:03 AM
The Daily Mail is running a rather ballsy editorial about the London Bombings on the 7th July 2005. I say ballsy bacause since September 11 2001 it's like the mainstream media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the corporate global elite ruled by the City of London bankers. The Daily Mail is reporting that the general public are less and less convinced by the 'official cover story'. That might be because it's FULL OF HOLES, full of insane inconsistencies, full of coincidences. And will somebody please resolve the Jean Charles de Menezes issue, it's getting annoying now.

Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry.

Campaigner Diana Gorodi, whose sister Michelle Otto, 46, was one of those killed, explains: 'It's just very hard for us to believe four people got up in the morning, put bombs together on the basis of information from the internet and managed to throw London into chaos and to create a tragedy. It's impossible for me to believe those four individuals acted on their own.'

Rachel North, a 39-year-old strategy director who survived the King's Cross Tube bombing, adds: 'We need a public inquiry. It was the public, after all, not the politicians, who were attacked. Let the public know what risks they run and tell them why there are those living among them who seek to kill for an ideal.'


Read the rest of the article at the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197419/Conspiracy-fever-As-rumours-swell-government-staged-7-7-victims-relatives-proper-inquiry.html).
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: wolfman86 July 04, 2009, 12:46:00 PM
In the case of 9/11 they were probably killed ... Barry Jennings' testimony of stepping over dead bodies just opens up a hole new rabbit hole... who were those people? Were they the ones who remotely flew the planes? Were they the ones who rigged the buildings up? Was building 7 demolished to cover up their deaths? Seems like a better explanation than the "we dont have a paper shredder so we're gonna demolish an entire building" theory!

I don't think they were the ones flying the planes (I think the global hawks took care of that). There were probably a bunch of reasons for blowing up Building 7, and covering up people that had been capped could have been part of it. There was a lot of paper shredding and a lot of computer deleting that was taken care of by blowing up 7--easier in some ways that trying to get rid of the info through normal means.
: Re: Daily Mail - Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7
: Dig July 04, 2009, 01:12:10 PM
The Daily Mail is running a rather ballsy editorial about the London Bombings on the 7th July 2005. I say ballsy bacause since September 11 2001 it's like the mainstream media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the corporate global elite ruled by the City of London bankers. The Daily Mail is reporting that the general public are less and less convinced by the 'official cover story'. That might be because it's FULL OF HOLES, full of insane inconsistencies, full of coincidences. And will somebody please resolve the Jean Charles de Menezes issue, it's getting annoying now.

Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry.

Campaigner Diana Gorodi, whose sister Michelle Otto, 46, was one of those killed, explains: 'It's just very hard for us to believe four people got up in the morning, put bombs together on the basis of information from the internet and managed to throw London into chaos and to create a tragedy. It's impossible for me to believe those four individuals acted on their own.'

Rachel North, a 39-year-old strategy director who survived the King's Cross Tube bombing, adds: 'We need a public inquiry. It was the public, after all, not the politicians, who were attacked. Let the public know what risks they run and tell them why there are those living among them who seek to kill for an ideal.'


Read the rest of the article at the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197419/Conspiracy-fever-As-rumours-swell-government-staged-7-7-victims-relatives-proper-inquiry.html).

Ballsy? They are calling for all out was on the truth, demonizing then probably genociding anyone who dare speak the truth (look at the last few sentences)...getting ugly...

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Conspiracy fever: As rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry

By Sue Reid Last updated at 11:53 PM on 03rd July 2009


Today almost four years on, the images of that dreadful morning are etched into our minds: the woman in the haunting white burns mask being helped to safety; the shell-shocked businessman in a suit with his hair and shirt matted with blood; the crippled No 30 bus with its roof blown off; the mangled wreckage of smouldering Tube trains.

The country's worst-ever terrorist atrocity during London's morning rush hour on July 7, 2005, shattered for ever the heady euphoria in which the capital was basking the morning after winning the bid for the 2012 Olympics.

That afternoon, Tony Blair - who was hosting the G8 summit on global poverty in Gleneagles, Scotland - returned to Downing Street to pronounce that the attack was an act in the 'name of Islam'.
 

Fateful day: The iconic image of a 7/7 Tube victim wearing a burns mask

Later, at a meeting of the Government's national emergency committee COBRA, London's anti-terror police chief Andy Hayman told senior ministers that he suspected suicide bombers.

And so the story of 7/7 that we have come to accept was pieced together: four British Muslims - Mohammad Sidique Khan, 30, Shehzad Tanweer, 22, Jermaine Lindsay, 19, and Hasib Hussain, 18 - blew themselves up using home-made explosives, killing 56 and injuring 700 on three Tube trains and a double-decker bus.

They had travelled on a mainline train from Luton into King's Cross Thameslink Station in London, each carrying a heavy rucksack of explosives.

It is a version of events that has been endorsed by a high-level Parliamentary inquiry and a government report, both published in May 2006 ten months after the event, based on 12,500 statements, a police examination of 142 computers and 6,000 hours of CCTV footage.

The report insisted that the bombers acted on their own, constructing explosives from chapatti flour and hair bleach mixed in the bath at a flat in Leeds, Yorkshire, where all four had family and friends.

It concluded that the Muslim bombers were not controlled by a terrorist mastermind, but inspired by Al Qaeda ideology picked up on extremist websites.

But families of the dead victims and an increasing number of 7/7 survivors claim there are inconsistencies and basic mistakes in the official accounts that need explanation.

And they are demanding a full public inquiry to answer key questions about what the Intelligence Services and the police did and did not know before the bombings.

Meanwhile, the Government's determined refusal to meet their demands is having a very dangerous side-effect - fuelling myriad conspiracy theories about 7/7. Books, blogs and several video documentaries point to oddities in the official accounts.
 

Messages left for the victims of the London bombings at the site of the bus explosion in Tavistock Square

Alarmingly, some of the conspiracy videos are being hawked around mosques throughout the country to whip up anti-British sentiment.

For the most outlandish and offensive of them suggest that the attacks were not the work of Muslim terrorists at all, but were carried out by the Government to boost support for the Iraq war.

The survivors are so intent on an independent inquiry that they are now taking legal action in the High Court to try to force the Home Secretary Alan Johnson to authorise it.

Campaigner Diana Gorodi, whose sister Michelle Otto, 46, was one of those killed, explains: 'It's just very hard for us to believe four people got up in the morning, put bombs together on the basis of information from the internet and managed to throw London into chaos and to create a tragedy. It's impossible for me to believe those four individuals acted on their own.'

Rachel North, a 39-year-old strategy director who survived the King's Cross Tube bombing, adds: 'We need a public inquiry. It was the public, after all, not the politicians, who were attacked. Let the public know what risks they run and tell them why there are those living among them who seek to kill for an ideal.'

Central to the puzzle is which train the four Muslims caught from Luton to London on the morning of the bomb blasts - bearing in mind that the three separate Tube explosions at Edgware Road, Aldgate and King's Cross occurred together at exactly 8.50am, followed by the red bus an hour later near Tavistock Square.
 

Tavistock bombing: The remains of the bus after the terrorist attack

The official reports said the bombers got on the 7.40am train from Luton which would have arrived at King's Cross in good time for them to board the Tube trains.

However, the 7.40am train never ran that morning. It was cancelled.

The Government has since corrected this information - but only after the error was raised by survivors - saying the bombers actually caught an earlier train, the 7.25am from Luton, for the 35-minute journey to King's Cross. It was due to arrive in the capital at 8am.

Yet this throws up more questions than it answers. For this train ran 23 minutes late because of problems with the overhead line which disrupted most of the service between Luton to King's Cross that morning. It arrived in London at 8.23am, say station officials.

According to the July Seventh Truth Campaign - another group calling for a public inquiry - this again places the official version of the bombers' travelling times in doubt.

A still CCTV photo of the four bombers arriving at the station in Luton is the only one of the four men together on July 7. Controversially, no CCTV images, either still or moving, of them in London have ever been released.

The Luton image is also contentious: the quality is poor and the faces of three of the bombers are unidentifiable. The conspiracy theorists say it could be a fake.

This photo is timed at four seconds before 7.22am. But if this were the case, the men would have had just three minutes to walk up the stairs at Luton, buy their £22 day return tickets and get to the platform, which was packed with commuters because of the earlier travel disruptions.
 

Blown up: A Circle Line train between Liverpool Street and Aldgate stations

The Truth Campaign group is equally sceptical about the bombers' supposed arrival time at King's Cross.

They say it takes seven minutes to walk from the Thameslink line station to the main King's Cross station, where there is an entrance to the Tube network.

Police say the four men were seen on the main King's Cross concourse at 8.26am, although no CCTV footage has ever been made public.

But is this possible? How had the men got there in three short minutes after getting off the Luton train at 8.23am?

And it is such inconsistencies that are fuelling the deepening concerns. This week, a television documentary on BBC2 called Conspiracy Files 7/7 revealed the existence of a conspiracy theorist's 56-minute video called Ripple Effect.

It accuses Tony Blair, the Government, the police, and the British and Israeli Secret Services of murdering the innocent people who died that day to stir up anti-Islamic fervour and create public support for the 'war on terror'.
 

Fact or fiction? Some theories suggest Mohammad Sidique Khan's video was a forgery

It alleges that the four British Muslims were tricked by the authorities into taking part in what they were told would be a mock anti-terror training exercise. What they weren't told, the video alleges, was that the Government was going to blow them up, along with other passengers, then pretend the four were suicide bombers.

Without any evidence, the Ripple Effect video accuses government agents of setting off pre-planted explosives under the three Tube trains and on the bus.

It suggests that the four Muslims were not, in fact, on any of the Tube trains, claiming that they missed them altogether because of the train delays on the Luton to London line.

It adds, astonishingly, that because the four did not get onto the Tube on time, three of them were murdered by police at Canary Wharf later that morning and the fourth - the bus bomber - ran off.

Outrageous though these claims are, the video has become an internet hit. More worryingly, it is playing on the fears of Britain's Muslim community.

Even some senior Islamists believe the events of 7/7 were fabricated. As Dr Mohammad Naseem, the chairman of Birmingham's Central Mosque, says in the BBC2 documentary: 'We do not accept the government version of July 7, 2005. The Ripple Effect video is more convincing than the official statements.'

Mr Naseem, a well-educated man, had made 2,000 copies of Ripple Effect for members of his mosque. Research has revealed that even before the contentious video came out, one in four British Muslims thought the Government or the Secret Services were responsible for the 7/7 atrocities. Now the number of doubters is growing.

At Friday prayers recently, Dr Naseem asked the congregation to raise their hands if they did not accept the government version of events. Nearly the entire gathering of 150 men and boys did so. He then urged his audience to collect free copies of Ripple Effect at the back of the mosque.
 

A victim is taken away from King's Cross station by emergency personnel

The respected chairman has since said that the identities of the bombers were discovered by the police suspiciously quickly. 'When a body is blown up, it is destroyed. How is it that the identification papers found at the bomb scenes of these men were still intact? Were they planted?'

That is another suggestion in Ripple Effect. So who is behind this dangerous video?

He is 60-year-old Yorkshireman Anthony John Hill who lives in Kells, County Meath, Ireland. He is currently under arrest there and fighting extradition to Britain. Police here want to interview him on a charge of perverting the course of justice after he sent a copy of his video to a jury member in a terrorist case.

Mr Hill made Ripple Effect at his own home and is the narrator.

In many ways, it is an amateurish affair: the dialogue is jumbled and hard to understand. But that begs the question, why is Ripple Effect having such an impact?

The answer is that muddled in with the wild theories of a government plot are some questions that are hard to ignore.

Why did the four bombers get return tickets to London if they were on a one-way suicide mission? Why are there no CCTV images of the four together in London even though the city has thousands upon thousands of such cameras in public places?

Why did so many survivors of the Tube bombings say that the explosions came upwards through the floor of the trains, not down, as would be the case if a backpack blew up inside? And why do no passengers on the London-bound Luton train clearly remember the four bombers with their huge rucksacks on that fateful morning?
 

Some sources say the Government planned the attack

By the most extraordinary coincidence - Ripple Effect says it is a billion-to-one chance - there was a mock terrorist exercise going on in London that day. This was revealed by the organiser and former Scotland Yard officer Peter Power on BBC Radio 5 in the early evening after the atrocity.

He said: 'At half-past nine this morning we were running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up.'

And what of the menacing suicide videos that Khan and Tanweer made before the bombings, which were released on the internet after the attacks? The Ripple Effect video has an answer for this, too.

Mr Hill explains on it: 'The oldest would be asked to make a "suicide video" prior to the mock training exercise in order to make it as realistic as possible... the second oldest would also be asked to make a similar video, as a back-up, just in case anything went wrong or the oldest pulled out of the exercise before the date.'

Fact or fiction, it does not matter. The impact of the video is swaying Muslim feeling. The BBC2 documentary shows worshippers in the Birmingham mosque commenting on 7/7 after seeing Ripple Effect. One elderly man states: 'There can be little doubt that the Government did this themselves to these four young men.'

Another adds: 'We have been deceived by the British authorities, and Muslims have been framed for these attacks. They are lying from A to Z.'

Few are more concerned than Rachel North, the King's Cross Tube bomb survivor, about Ripple Effect and the discontent it is stirring up: 'If people in mosques think the Government is so antagonistic towards them, that they're actually willing to frame them for a monstrous crime they didn't commit, what does that do to levels of trust? That is a problem for everybody in this country.'

She says the video's central tenet - that 7/7 was faked to demonise Muslims and sway public opinion in favour of the 'war on terror' - is like throwing petrol on a fire.

Like her, many responsible people - and they include former Scotland Yard deputy assistant commissioner Brian Paddick, former anti-terror chief of London police Andy Hayman (who oversaw the police response to 7/7) and David Davis, until recently Tory Shadow Home Secretary - now support the call for an independent investigation into the bombings.

Paddick himself said this week, the torrent of rumours about 7/7 was harming relations between Muslims and the rest of Britain: 'Hopefully there will be people in the police service, the security service and Whitehall who will realise how important it is that every attempt is made to counteract these conspiracy theories.'

As the fourth anniversary of the London bombings approaches next Tuesday, they are words the Government would be wise to heed.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 04, 2009, 02:05:23 PM
/me waves 2 claws at the establishment
: Re: Daily Mail - Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7
: Mike Philbin July 04, 2009, 04:17:36 PM
Paddick himself said this week, the torrent of rumours about 7/7 was harming relations between Muslims and the rest of Britain: 'Hopefully there will be people in the police service, the security service and Whitehall who will realise how important it is that every attempt is made to counteract these conspiracy theories.'

As the fourth anniversary of the London bombings approaches next Tuesday, they are words the Government would be wise to heed.

Nope, no more stories, no more hit pieces, no more excuses. Just the truth. If you ENGINEERED a mass murder of innocent people, on 9/11 and 7/7 (and 11/3 Madrid, and Bali, and Mumbai) just accept it, take the legal consequences, and we can move on with our planet. The truth will out in the end anyway.

Thank you.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: weegie1 July 04, 2009, 05:15:22 PM
Something that interested me in the BBC hit piece was the story that Benjamin Netanyahu was about to leave his hotel in London, but a local plod advised him not to as there had been a terrorist attack on the underground.

 The BBC is asking us to believe that Netanyahu with his Mossad security new nothing about this until a passing policeman told them? WTF!!!

REMEMBER AT THIS TIME IT WAS STILL BEING REPORTED AS A POWER OUTAGE ON THE UNDERGROUND.

 But the AP article that was also carried by Haaretz appears to tell a different story.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050709002013/http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1

Strange that all the mainstream media links to this story have disappeared from the internet.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: weegie1 July 04, 2009, 05:41:08 PM
Jean Charles de Menezes - noticable by his absence.

:(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706913.stm    watch the 3 minute video

Now if the BBC had chased Mark Whitby down the street and asked him to explain his comments, it might make more interesting viewing.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 04, 2009, 05:51:29 PM
Something that interested me in the BBC hit piece was the story that Benjamin Netanyahu was about to leave his hotel in London, but a local plod advised him not to as there had been a terrorist attack on the underground.

 The BBC is asking us to believe that Netanyahu with his Mossad security new nothing about this until a passing policeman told them? WTF!!!

REMEMBER AT THIS TIME IT WAS STILL BEING REPORTED AS A POWER OUTAGE ON THE UNDERGROUND.

 But the AP article that was also carried by Haaretz appears to tell a different story.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050709002013/http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1

Strange that all the mainstream media links to this story have disappeared from the internet.


I seem to recall that in the hit piece that because some one from the israeli embassy / mossad has made a retraction that suddenly its all not true . . .

Well that is not evidence, just like Peter Power going on air to deny it all....
: Re: Daily Mail - Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7
: Scootle July 04, 2009, 08:08:16 PM
Paddick himself said this week, the torrent of rumours about 7/7 was harming relations between Muslims and the rest of Britain: 'Hopefully there will be people in the police service, the security service and Whitehall who will realise how important it is that every attempt is made to counteract these conspiracy theories.'

As the fourth anniversary of the London bombings approaches next Tuesday, they are words the Government would be wise to heed.

O dear... they are really going all out to link us with islamic extremists... they are definately conditioning the public for something... something which may go down on the fourth 7/7 anniversary... Something tells me I should leave this 95,000 square mile concentration camp we call the United Kingdom...
: Re: Daily Mail - Rumours swell that the government staged 7/7
: EvadingGrid July 04, 2009, 09:02:04 PM
O dear... they are really going all out to link us with Islamic extremists... they are definitely conditioning the public for something... something which may go down on the fourth 7/7 anniversary... Something tells me I should leave this 95,000 square mile concentration camp we call the United Kingdom...

I would if I could
I fled America post 911.

Anyone in a high risk area should reconsider moving, I would most definitely get out of London and the Thames Valley. They are not the only hotspots in the UK, it should not be to hard to figure out were you live is on balance a bad risk.

Some places are really, really dangerous... others are dangerous and some areas are low risk.

These noises in the press, building up a group to demonize post a false flag attack are known modus operandi of the NWO. Now I'm no psychic or a great prophet from the old testament. But i can see things that make me nervous with justification.

Before 911 the average person had not head of Bin Laden or Al CIA-da. The coverage was at a similar level and quality and quantity to what we are seeing now.

That is not the only reason, a big reason is that it is clear that the whole "War On Terror" has run out of steam. It has run its course, and if they do not switch tactics they are in danger that the illusion of the war will be revealed to the public. Now I do not mean that everyone will suddenly wake up, but what I can forsee is that can not keep this running for years like they did with the cold war.

Next, motive for plotting summat, is that they need something to blame the economic collapse that has nothing to do with the Banks. I say this because if they pull off some really big stunt, and then the economy goes down the tubes people will blame the so called terrorists. They will forget the Banks started it all and are actually responsible.

Then there is the whole European Empire running on the Euro, and the UK running on the pound, and it being political suicide for any party or politician to dump the pound in favour of the Euro. Well, post some big attack with a collapsed economy that will be a completely different scenario.

Well I can see what the end game is,

ID Cards
Silence Critics
Euro replaces Pound

What we do not know is the exact target, or the exact date. I appreciate that naming dates has a bad reputation on conspiracy websites, so i wont give a date prediction. I will point out that some calendar events can be factored into a prediction by deduction, but that will not give a day month or hour. For example, an educated guess could be made of the next election date, but not with certainty.

What I would stick my neck out and predict, is deducible by things like the background noise they have been generating in there media. Why has did the BBC put in the time and the effort making all those hit piece documentaries when they could have ignored them and not given them the publicity ?

Folks as a group I think we should start calling ourselves "The Oswalds", because like Lee Harvey Oswald, we are gonna get the blame along with possibly Christian fundamentalists and racists. Just like in Blackjack.


: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 04, 2009, 09:05:14 PM
Jean Charles de Menezes - noticable by his absence.

:(

That reminds me about the joke about the Dealy Piazza Book Depository in the JFK Assassination Museum,
its really truthfully accurate because Lee Harvey Oswald's not there...
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: mr anderson July 04, 2009, 11:55:25 PM
Jean Charles de Menezes..

Almost like WTC 7 of the 7/7 attacks. There was absolutely no need to bring him down.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Philip King July 05, 2009, 12:20:01 AM
Yes, but they don't like living witnesses!
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: chrsswtzr July 05, 2009, 03:36:27 AM
Yes, but they don't like living witnesses!

They certainly do not!! Look back to all the "eye witnesses" within a 10ft radius to the motorcade for JFK whom all died within a few years after his assassination.... leave no rock unturned!!  :-\

Here are some very relevant 7/7 videos exposing this massive cover-up false flag operation for what it is!!

The Truth behind the bombings in London 7/7 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4943675105275097719)

....and.... one more series;

7/7 Mind the Gap - London Bombings (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2001897549763616199)

!!! KEEP THE TRUTH ALIVE !!!

Enjoy  ;)

-Chris
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: mr anderson July 05, 2009, 11:20:39 AM
7/7 BBC Conspiracy Files Blooper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USUPy1iP-iE

"7/7 CONspiracy files 30 June 2009 - Nick Kollerstrom"
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Voskhod3 July 05, 2009, 11:35:00 AM
I have never seen the released moving video of the four together.

Anyone got a link to this film?
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Voskhod3 July 05, 2009, 11:46:38 AM
Here is the BBC web page shown in the documentary;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7378468.stm

Now hold on their... the BBC has put "8.25" against one of the videos themselves.

Where is the actual original timestamp?

And where are pictures of the suspects boarding the trains?
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Voskhod3 July 05, 2009, 11:52:36 AM
Also, the clip where they start walking from the car towards the station has been cropped, you can no longer see the time stamp.

Why would they do this?

This is potentially a deception.

Also.. this is an edited BBC report.

Where is the original released film?
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Voskhod3 July 05, 2009, 02:30:13 PM
Good video:
http://j7truth.blogspot.com/2008/01/ludicrous-diversion-ld-refuses-bbc.html
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Voskhod3 July 05, 2009, 03:05:45 PM
There are at least 26.. YES 26... cctv cameras at Luton train station because the camera in the BBC film is camera 26.

The camera at the entrance to the station is camera 14.

A poxy little nothing train station like Luton has at least 26 cctv cameras (think about that!).. and all they've offered us is ONE still shot at the entrance (Camera 14 timed 7.21.54) and a very very short clip (14 seconds - Camera 26) with the last visible time of 7.20.01

And I've looked at the car park camera a number of times and I only see 3 people.

They've got to do better than this, this is simply not good enough, there must be cameras inside the station and on the platform.
: Re: BBC to broadcast a new documentary defending the official story on 7/7
: gunDriller July 05, 2009, 03:19:48 PM
This is the one they would be playing if they actually wanted people to be aware of the facts.  Obviously, they don't.  In fact, that's the very opposite of the entire purpose of the BBC.

I was in San Francisco at the time of the attacks and I was fascinated by the newspaper coverage the next day.  The front section of the Chronicle was ALL "London Terror".  really milking it for the "scary Muslim terrorists" effect.

I looked at the BBC website the next day also.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/default.stm

not a word about the attacks.  given that it's the "world" section, maybe that's why.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 05, 2009, 03:36:59 PM
Well the BBC is funded by the Govt . . . .


: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 05, 2009, 06:23:56 PM
... And I'm back... after two whole days of non stop video editing on my laptop that has a tendency to switch itself off randomly ... I made my latest truth crash course... this one on 7/7...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu36NFdskQA&fmt=18

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 05, 2009, 06:39:16 PM
... And I'm back... after two whole days of non stop video editing on my laptop that has a tendency to switch itself off randomly ... I made my latest truth crash course... this one on 7/7...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu36NFdskQA&fmt=18



Bookmarked, will watch as soon as todays show is over.

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phigsy July 05, 2009, 06:44:46 PM
... And I'm back... after two whole days of non stop video editing on my laptop that has a tendency to switch itself off randomly ... I made my latest truth crash course... this one on 7/7...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu36NFdskQA&fmt=18



Just watched that. Well done with the editing handiwork. Still don't agree with your opinions on the Pentagon though, but hey......  :-\
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 05, 2009, 08:35:52 PM
... And I'm back... after two whole days of non stop video editing on my laptop that has a tendency to switch itself off randomly ... I made my latest truth crash course... this one on 7/7...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu36NFdskQA&fmt=18



Just watched it and thought it was fantastic, great editing, liked it so much that I'm downloading it in HQ and gonna show it to Mrs EvadingGid tomorrow.

Now I'm off to bed, want to check out what else is on your channel since

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu36NFdskQA&fmt=18

Was so good !
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 05, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
Thanks that means alot ... its the best video I've made so far... the other good-ish videos ive made are the 9/11 crash course, the red chip video, the "i am not a conspiracy theorist" video and the 9/11 fires in perspective... I'm actually considering making my own 9/11 film... kind of like an updated 9/11 mysteries.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Phil R. July 05, 2009, 09:22:26 PM
Great job with that 7/7 vid. If you do make a 9/11 documentary, perhaps include a section devoted to the pentagon and/or disinfo techniques since you seem to be expanding your expertise to more than just the Twin Towers and Building 7.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Stan July 05, 2009, 10:03:25 PM
Yeah, great stuff. I'm gonna mail that to someone myself.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: mr anderson July 05, 2009, 10:04:36 PM
... And I'm back... after two whole days of non stop video editing on my laptop that has a tendency to switch itself off randomly ... I made my latest truth crash course... this one on 7/7...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu36NFdskQA&fmt=18



We know....  ;)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2mmsttv.jpg)
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Philip King July 06, 2009, 01:16:57 AM
Anyone notice this BBC quotation RE. CCTV camera stills.

"Abhorations consistent with the freezing of low quality VIDEO...!!!!!!!"

Looks exactly like a PAL video interlacing anomoly?  Is this because it's a photoshop modified single field still?

At least this confirms that PAL video footage was captured on CCTV!  And once again only single frames are ever released!

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: mr anderson July 06, 2009, 01:30:00 AM
What are people's thoughts on this?:

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/j-for-justice-77-ripple-effect.html


7/7 Ripple Effect - a rebuttal and rejection

A video was released on 5th November 2007 entitled '7/7 Ripple Effect' which appeared via a website called JforJustice. Both the video and website are authored by Muad'Dib (the name of a fictional character from Frank Herbert's Dune) who believes he is the Sheffield-born messiah and demands 'that he be acknowledged as the Rightful British-Israel King.' He also appears to hold rather offensive, anti-Muslim views:

        .... Therefore the moslems are calling God a liar, which is a satanic thing to do. Satan called God a liar in the Garden of Eden and God condemned Adam and Eve for believing Satan's lies. These satanic lies are now being continued by the moslems when they contradict God by saying that the True Bible no longer exists....

The video begins with Muad'Dib saying:

        “Regarding the 7/7/2005 terrorist attacks in London, let us look at the facts, and what we were told, and compare them. Then, using Ockham’s (sic) Razor and common-sense, let us see what conclusions are to be drawn, so we can all understand what most likely really did happen that day.”

J7: The July Seventh Truth Campaign, who have been researching the events of 7/7 since the day they happened, take issue with any production which can claim to 'understand what most likely really did happen that day', unless this can be backed up with evidence that supports the alternative hypothesis. J7 maintain the view that the official Home Office report into July 7th, released by the Home Office on 11th May 2006, remains totally unproven, as no evidence has ever been placed in the public domain which categorically proves, beyond reasonable doubt, the official version of events. On the contrary, our research has shown that this report contains many errors, inconsistencies and anomalies and, in fact, the Home Office has twice been forced to amend the narrative in response to challenges by J7, resulting in an updated narrative that makes even less sense than the original version did. Our position on attempting alternative narratives which are not based on evidence is very succinctly expressed by a J7 researcher who, after viewing 7/7 Ripple Effect, wisely wrote:

        “Reading the transcript, the impression I get is of an attempt to construct an alternative account of what happened. I don't think this is a good approach. It tends to exclude other possibilities from the debate ie the debate narrows to either jforjustice's account or the Home Office account. There are so very many discrepancies in what has been reported (as documented on this forum) that any number of plausible alternative accounts could be constructed, so I think it is unwise to promote one particular alternative.

        I think it is significant that the opponents of J7 have persistently used the taunt of "what do you think happened then?"; quite recently someone posted on another forum that we don't put our money where our mouth is. This is a trap. As soon as an alternative is put forward, the focus shifts from examining the official account to examining the alternative account.

        As far as I can see, all the material in "The Ripple Effect" has been available for a good two years, so I am curious as to why it is only now that this film has been released."

So, what does Muad'Dib and 7/7 Ripple Effect claim 'most likely happened that day'?

After examining the role played by the BBC and Peter Power in the Panorama programme 'London Under Attack' and Power's subsequent 'terror rehearsal exercise' that he was running on the 7th July 2005, examined in detail by J7 here, the 7/7 Ripple Effect film states:

        “Therefore, as part of the exercise, they would have recruited four young Muslim men to carry four backpacks, that were to contain mock explosive devices.

        Who were their Muslim recruits?

        These Muslim men would naturally buy return train tickets, and not one-way tickets, because they would be going home after playing their parts in the training exercise”.

No evidence is produced to support this conclusion and no matter how neat and appealing this alternative scenario might be, it remains totally hypothetical and without supporting evidence. Muad'Dib goes on:

        “The fake terrorists have been recruited, the suicide videos have been made, and everyone has been given basic instructions, for the day that the exercise is to be put into operation – 7/7/2005.

        The four mock-terrorist actors were to meet at Luton Train Station at 07:20 AM on the 7th of July 2005 and catch the 07:40 AM train from Luton to Kings’ Cross Thameslink Station, with their pretend-bomb backpacks, and then split up and catch three tube-trains and one bus, to pre-arranged destinations, where the fake explosions were to take place, as part of the training exercise.

        Finally the big day arrived.”

A convoluted attempt is then made to explain why the only image of the four men accused of being responsible for what happened, taken outside Luton station at 07.21.54, has to be faked:

        "The four men were supposed to arrive together, on time, at Luton Station, and be caught on CCTV, at 07:21:54 AM, entering the station, but three of them are not on the same video frames as Hasib Hussain, so have to be inserted later, using computer software. Hence the obviously, and very badly, doctored official single frame, time-stamped photo that we have been shown, from the CCTV outside Luton Station.

        They can’t show them moving, because it has been faked, that’s why they show only one single frame still photo.

        Why did the authorities have to fake this photo? They would have had to fake it, because three of the actors missed the tube-trains that they were supposed to catch, and which blew up without them being onboard, and so there was no video footage from Verint Systems of them boarding the three tube-trains, for the authorities to be able to use, as false evidence, to try to prove to the public that the Muslims were guilty. So they had to doctor and show us the fake photo instead".

Again, no evidence is offered as the basis for the statement “the four men were supposed to arrive together” and this is pure unsubstantiated conjecture in the same way that the Home Office has provided no evidence for its version of events. Further, there is no evidence for why Hasib Hussain would be the only one of the four entering Luton Station at 07.21.54. (Note: 7/7 Ripple Effect correctly states that the 7.40am Luton to King's Cross train, which the original Home Office report claims the accused caught, was cancelled on 7th July 2005. That the Home Office changed the official report on 11 July 2006 to say that the accused caught the 7.25 and that the 7.40 had been based on 'erroneous witness statements' fails to make it into Muad'Dib's version of events). Despite the supposed need to 'fake the photo' to show all four men entering the station together 7/7 Ripple Effect still manages to place the accused in King's Cross together -- again, something for which no evidence has ever been provided by the Home Office or police -- albeit too late to catch the tube trains that 7/7 Ripple Effect claims they have been told to board as part of Peter Power's exercise:

        “The first available train the Muslim actors can catch, gets them to King’s Cross after the tube trains have already left without them. Hasib Hussain splits off from the other three at King’s Cross Thameslink station, because he still has time to catch the number 30 bus, as his part in the mock-terror exercise. When the tube-trains they were supposed to catch are blown up, the other three smell a rat and realise they have been duped, and are Muslim patsies who will be blamed for the attacks, and everyone knows what happened to Lee Harvey Oswald.

        The Muslims are not from London. Their homes are many miles away, and so they are like fish out of water, and have no idea what to do, or where to go and hide. They realise that they can’t go home, and do not know anyone in London whom they can trust.”

It would be highly unlikely, even if this scenario were plausible, that any 'exercise' could arrange for 3 'patsies' to board specific tube trains, especially as the tube that day was subject to many delays and line closures. (7/7 Ripple Effect's constant referral to Khan, Tanweer, Hussain and Lindsay as 'the Muslims' is also highly questionable and we can only wonder if Muad'Dib would refer to these 4 young men as 'the Jews' or 'the Christians' if the official story had alleged that to be the case.)

On 7th July 2005 there were reports that 'suicide-bombers' had been shot dead at Canary Wharf, Brian Paddick of the Metropolitan Police was even asked at a press conference whether he could confirm these reports, and replied “We have no reports of any police sniper shooting at anybody today”. Once again, there is no tangible evidence to prove or disprove the reports, or the subsequent denial of these reports by Brian Paddick. However, 7/7 Ripple Effect makes the claim that Khan, Tanweer and Lindsay were all shot at Canary Wharf, with a further stretch that perhaps they were attempting to find sanctuary in the offices of a newspaper:

        “If we have at least three of the four "suicide-bombers" shot dead at Canary Wharf, and we KNOW they weren't on the tube-trains that blew up, because the 07:40 AM train from Luton to King's Cross was cancelled that day, then we have overwhelming proof that they did not blow the tube-trains up, and that the blowing up of the three tube-trains was an inside-job.

        At the Canary Wharf Docklands site there are media companies, for the Muslim patsies to have told their story to and cleared their names, if they could, and two possible escape routes, via air from the nearby London City Airport, that has flights to 34 destinations in the U.K. and Europe, and, if they couldn’t fly out, there was the possibility of getting a boat across the channel to France”.

7/7 Ripple Effect continues on in much the same vein, from which we can only conclude that using every known discrepancy in the reports of the events of July 7th, many of which are examined in detail by J7 in our sections Mind The Gaps I and II, and weaving them into a totally evidence-free and fanciful hypothesis, which would be more honestly described as a 'What If' rather than what 'Really did happen', will do more harm than good in aiding anyone to get to the truth of the events of that day.

In summing up 7/7 Ripple Effect, we leave the final words to a J7 researcher:

        "... nor is joining up the loose ends in that wretched government "narrative" in the fashion of a Saturday night fictional TV thriller particularly likely to be viewed positively - drop the fantasy references, re-edit it to play as a 'what if?' docudrama that is clearly self explained/described as an unsubstantiated narrative the same as the official government narrative is and it might get more respect, but as it stands, it's just too damn kooky for me to believe it's accidental.

        Sorry Muad, but the people you most need to reach are least likely to take you seriously - if that is a concern of course, and if it's not, then that says quite a lot."

The advice of the J7 campaign and research collective is simple: Question everything.

As an addendum to the rebuttal and rejection of 7/7 Ripple Effect, J7 received email notification from Muad'Dib requesting cash donations and assistance in contacting the bereaved families and survivors in order to send them unsolicited copies of this film.

J7: The July 7th Truth Campaign immediately responded with a refusal to support or condone the film and J7 researchers universally condemned the intentions of Muad'Dib in the unsolicited sending of the film to bereaved families or survivors, re-iterating the point that J7: The July 7th Truth Campaign have never endeavoured to contact bereaved families or survivors. J7 are not in any way party to the making of the 7/7 Ripple Effect. We do not support the film, its producers, its unsubstantiated conjecture, or the sending of the film to relatives of victims or survivors, nor has J7 provided any assistance with locating relatives of the deceased.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 06, 2009, 03:04:06 AM
Many people in the july seventh truth movement dont like to speculate... coz speculation normally sets us up for a debunk fest ... neither mind the gap nor ludicrous diversion actually suggest alternative theories... they simply tear apart the official story ... which is what they like...

its sort of like how many 9/11 families dont like to speculate about demolition and things, they just say the official story is bull and demand a new investigation... u can debunk controlled demolition with debunker pseudo science but u cant debunk a family member asking questions.

7/7 ripple effect is good at laying out the facts but because it speculates and offers an alternative narrative without hard evidence they dont like it.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Voskhod3 July 06, 2009, 03:05:26 AM
The J7 website is the best place for 7/7 information.

They have never supported the Ripple Effect film.

http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/

: DAC Brian Paddick - 7/7 London Bombing timings.
: Mike Philbin July 06, 2009, 03:08:48 AM
this is odd, no? not at all like the SIMULTANEOUS EXPLOSIONS scenario this 'exercise' became...

DAC Brian Paddick - 7/7 London Bombing timings.
http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2009/07/dac-brian-paddick-77-london-bombing.html
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Stan July 06, 2009, 06:27:53 AM
What are people's thoughts on this?:

I agree with the doctored photo thing for one, but they're being a little anal. They need to treat themselves to a glass a of shandy every once and a while.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 06, 2009, 06:50:16 AM
this is odd, no? not at all like the SIMULTANEOUS EXPLOSIONS scenario this 'exercise' became...

DAC Brian Paddick - 7/7 London Bombing timings.
http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2009/07/dac-brian-paddick-77-london-bombing.html
I seem to remember a delay between reported "explosions" that day. I heard the first report while i was in the lab, I knew my supervisors son was in london that day so i told him and listened carefully to the unfolding story and i remember that it was one explosion, then a while later two, then even more time later 3 etc. I never got the feeling they were simultaneous as reported, I also remember they later started to use the phrase "almost simultaneous".
This terrorist hunters book gives a time line and the writer (Hayman) says there were reports coming in sequentially, not all at once.
Nicely spotted. Yet another example of them tripping up on the huge numbers of lies !
Why do people go crazy over some inane thing like a politician claiming 10 pound for something, but do not even blink (or register) such glaring discrepencies as these?
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 06, 2009, 09:31:58 AM
Jim Fetzer Interviews Muad'Dib:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Muad%27Dib+%28Creator+7/7+Ripple+Effect%29
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 06, 2009, 02:55:09 PM
They have an awful long track record of suspicous CCTV incidents . . .

Heck this goes back to Mc Veigh and the still missing CCTV recordings
And don't hold your breath waiting for the Pentagon to release anything for 911 washington attack...

Its on wonder people scream "foul" over the 7/7 CCTV . . .


: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 06, 2009, 08:21:51 PM
I uploaded an XVID of the 7/7 video I made to rapidshare:
http://rapidshare.com/files/252812886/7-7.avi.html
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 06, 2009, 08:40:51 PM
I uploaded an XVID of the 7/7 video I made to rapidshare:
http://rapidshare.com/files/252812886/7-7.avi.html

I'm downloading . . .
Gotta have it...

Mrs EvadingGrid is watching  Mystery of Molech IV while I'm downloading Scooties 7/7.avi

But she wants to see it, she is a huge fan of 7/7 Ripple Effect...
Bet she will LOVE IT, just like I LOVE IT

I'm amazed at how slick the editing is,
must have taken you ages to make it.



: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 06, 2009, 09:13:36 PM
took me about 2 days non stop ... my laptop kept dying randomly... luckily sony vegas has an autosave function lol.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Stan July 06, 2009, 09:17:14 PM
Hey, Scootle, have you used Adobe Premiere? I've only given it a quick try but I know someone else who swears by Vegas.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Mike Philbin July 07, 2009, 01:44:52 AM
THE DAILY MAIL
Conspiracy fever: As rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry
By Sue Reid
Last updated at 11:53 PM on 03rd July 2009

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197419/Conspiracy-fever-As-rumours-swell-government-staged-7-7-victims-relatives-proper-inquiry.html
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 07, 2009, 03:31:43 AM
THE DAILY MAIL
Conspiracy fever: As rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry
By Sue Reid
Last updated at 11:53 PM on 03rd July 2009

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197419/Conspiracy-fever-As-rumours-swell-government-staged-7-7-victims-relatives-proper-inquiry.html
Bloody Brilliant !!!
Tried to damage us and ended up shooting themselves in the foot by the look of it !
Opened up a whole can of worms - and better still its in the msm so more people will see it !
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 07, 2009, 04:20:42 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2009/06/the_conspiracy_files_77.html
The Conspiracy Files: 7/7
Mike Rudin | 08:53 AM, Wednesday, 24 June 2009

The bombings on 7 July 2005, which killed 56 people and injured 784, England's worst terrorist atrocity, are the subject of one of the most difficult programmes in the Conspiracy Files series. Difficult because it is still an understandably sensitive subject for survivors and relatives of victims.

But I also think it is important to investigate the conspiracy theories that continue to develop around 7 July attacks, because they play on the fears of the Muslim community and spread a highly divisive and damaging message. The programme carefully and analytically works through the allegations and the evidence to separate fact from fiction.

There have been three official reports into the bombings. However, a host of internet films continue to scrutinise every word and every picture for signs of a hidden truth.

The programme, to be shown on BBC Two at 9pm on Tuesday 30 June shows that on one occasion one sceptic was right and spotted a significant error in the Home Office narrative. The government had to apologise for suggesting in a report, nearly a year after the attacks, that the four bombers had boarded a train which had actually been cancelled.

However, crucially the government insists the bombers were still able to get to London on time, because they caught an earlier train, which was delayed leaving Luton.

Internet videos question the official account, suggesting the British government has deceived people into thinking four suicide bombers carried out the attacks. Some go even further and allege the British government was involved.

The latest Conspiracy Files programme films one notorious conspiracy video being played at the Birmingham Central Mosque and sees first hand how conspiracy theories have found favour among some Muslims.

One opinion poll by Gfk NOP for Channel 4, two years after 7 July attacks, found that around a quarter of British Muslims questioned thought the government or MI5 were involved in the bombings.

Rachel North, who survived the bomb on the Piccadilly line, tells the programme that the conspiracy theories need to be countered for that very reason:

"If people in mosques think that the Government is so antagonistic towards them that they're actually willing to frame them for a monstrous crime they didn't commit what does that do to levels of trust? That is a problem for the government and for everybody in this country."
Brian Paddick, who was Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner at the time of 7 July 2005, argues it is important to counteract the conspiracy theories:

"Programmes like this may be very controversial but hopefully there will be people in the police service and in the security service and in government who will realize how important conspiracy theories are. And how important it is to try and prevent further atrocities that every attempt is made to try and counteract them."
Mike Rudin is series producer of The Conspiracy Files. The Conspiracy Files: 7/7
is on Tuesday 30 June at 9pm on BBC Two.


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Previous Next 1. At 09:16am on 24 Jun 2009, U14046943 wrote:
"But I also think it is important to investigate the conspiracy theories that continue to develop around 7 July attacks, because they play on the fears of the Muslim community"

The BBC needs to stop doing things because the Muslim community may be scared/offended.

It is offensive to millions of people that the BBC insists on doing so.

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2. At 09:29am on 24 Jun 2009, kaybraes
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3. At 09:41am on 24 Jun 2009, hackerjack wrote:
The BBC needs to stop doing things because the Muslim community may be scared/offended.

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Actually I would rather the BBC DID do it, they are pretty much the only option available who are well funded enough to do a thorough job on the investigation but also non-commercial enough not to have to 'sex up' the program in order to generate ratings.

It is of interest to many millions in the UK, not just Muslims.

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4. At 09:43am on 24 Jun 2009, tengearbatbike wrote:
I thought the tone of the article was that they didn't want to offend the victims, which I think is fully justified and a commendable attitude.

In terms of offending religious communities, I personally couldn't care less- this isn't just aimed at Islam, but anyone dumb enough to fall for one fiction will inevitably fall for more. I think the incidence of religious people who beleive ridiculous theories (Catholics and holocaust denial, every religion and that silly book about the Elders of Zion etc etc ad infinitum) is more than a little disturbing. No more disturbing than beleiving in transubstantiation, flying horses or reincarnation though.

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5. At 09:57am on 24 Jun 2009, ynda20
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6. At 11:18am on 24 Jun 2009, Secratariat wrote:
Is there any chance you're going to mention the coincidence that on both 9/11 & 7/7 the respective governments were engaged in training simulations that matched the actual "terrorist atrocity" in almost every single detail ?
Seems an important point that the officials were quite happy to overlook.


kaybraes:
"The Muslim community is the offender in this case, not the British people ; the bombing was carried out by Muslims in the name of Islam."

This is one of the most ignorant & offensive things I've ever read in response to 7/7, it may well be a lack of clarity in what you've said but it comes across like you want to blame the whole Muslim community for the events of that day.

The Muslim community is not and was not the offender that day, a handful of individuals who happened to be Muslim were (if you believe the official story).
Laying the blame on the whole Muslim community is the equivalent of blaming all Europeans for the Holocaust.
It is this type of ignorant statement, and the hatred that lies behind it, that needs eradicating from our society and I find your whole statement to be typical of the self-pitying White Europeans we get moaning about all subjects these days.

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7. At 12:21pm on 24 Jun 2009, forthblue
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8. At 12:57pm on 24 Jun 2009, Secratariat wrote:
forthblue:

"Why are Muslims unhappy here?"

Who said they were ?
I've got lots of Muslim friends and they're all happy here, how about you try making friends with some and finding out what they actually think instead of believing the lies & propaganda peddled by the tabloid press & BNP.


"Freedom of religious expression is permitted, compulsory conversion is not."

None of my Muslim friends have ever tried to convert me to Islam, I've been invited to various religious events and have enjoyed taking part in them just as I have Christian and Jewish events that I've attended but at no time did anyone ever try to convert me.
The Church of England puts far more effort into trying to convert people to Christianity with their religious schools etc than the Muslim community do.


"If I was that unhappy living in a country the answer would be to go and live with one that agrees more with my viewpoint."

Britain has a rich tradition of people standing up for what they believe in and using the democratic system to try to make changes to the way the country is run. I have yet to experience any Muslim trying to make Britain an Islamic state or trying to implement Sharia law though. Many of my Muslim friends parents came to Britain to escape Theocratic oppression and they and their children are not trying to bring it in here now that they have got away from it.


"So instead of trying to spread fear and terror why not go and live in one of those or other Islamic nations."

Very few Muslims are trying to spread fear and terror, most of them just want to get on with their lives and don't really care what you or anyone else believes, just like the rest of us.
It is you who is trying to spread fear & terror with your paranoid delusions and baseless lies.

How do you think a British Muslim would feel reading statements such as yours ?

Many of my Muslim friends have been living in fear for the last eight years, they feel they are being blamed for something they have no influence over and no responsibility for by people who can only ever see the colour of their skin and the religion they observe.
People like you who would twist their beliefs and use the statements of others to condemn them.
On several occasions since 9/11 I've been to friends' homes and businesses to help clear up the damage caused by mindless idiots who would blame all Muslims for the actions of a handful of individuals they've never met & have no influence over. Statements like yours only serve to inflame the brain-dead and incite them to commit further crimes against innocent people and you are therefore only continuing the cycle of violence and hatred that the rest of us are trying to break.

Replace the word Muslim with the word Jew and your statement would read like the paranoid ramblings of a Nazi from 1930s Germany.

Just like the German Jews from that time, most British Muslims have far more to fear from us than we do from them.

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9. At 1:13pm on 24 Jun 2009, forthblue wrote:
No matter what the religion or cause blowing people up is hardly going to endear them to your viewpoint is it? I personally think religion is the biggest source of trouble to humanity in history and as long as people cling to their outdated beliefs, this type of thing will continue. Nice liberal point of view dissection of my last point Secretariat. Shame it is all founded om a false premise though. In fundametalist Islam all infidels are to be disposed of. Hardly a tolerant religion is it? Since that is what the terrorists are fighting on behalf of, I really do not fancy that idea at all.

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10. At 1:18pm on 24 Jun 2009, goldCaesar wrote:
The BBC needs to stop doing things because the Muslim community may be scared/offended.

It is offensive to millions of people that the BBC insists on doing so.
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If they didn't want to risk offending muslims then they wouldn't broadcast the programme at all, after all, according the article it seems the programme is concentrating on the minority of muslims who believe the conspiracies, as well as the usual online forums.

I suspect that while the programme will find small groups of radicals who use 7/7 as evidence of an anti-islamic conspiracy there will also those who cannot bring themselves to believe that their religous brethren could carry out a random attack against innocents (and fellow muslims).

I would also imagine that the vast majority of 7/7 conspiracists are not muslims but those who are also convinced 9/11 and global warming are also conspiracies. experience has told me that the vast majority of these will never change their opinion, regardless of what evidence is presented to the contrary.

i look forwards to the programme.

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11. At 2:29pm on 24 Jun 2009, Secratariat wrote:
forthblue:

"I personally think religion is the biggest source of trouble to humanity in history"

No, that would be greed. Religion is just an excuse given by those in positions of power to convince the masses that what they're doing is righteous.
Religion on a personal level is not a bad thing and the idea that getting rid of religion will solve all of our problems is ridiculous, people always will find reasons to hate each other and until we rid ourselves of the "them and us" mentality there will never be Peace.
This isn't a matter of self interested bias either, I do not belong to any organised religion.


"Shame it is all founded om a false premise though. In fundametalist Islam all infidels are to be disposed of."

What is "fundamentalist Islam" ?
How many of the worlds Muslims are "fundamentalist" ?
You're making over-simplified generalisations that simply are not true.
The Quran specifically states that non-Muslims should be protected if they live in a Muslim country.
Have you ever read the Quran or even spoken to a Muslim about their beliefs ?

The idea that all Muslims, or even all "fundamentalist" Muslims share the exact same beliefs and interpretations of the Quran is yet another fallacy.
No two Muslims have the same interpretation of Islam just as no two Christians share the same interpretations of Christianity, it's only those who wish to spread fear and hatred that try to give the idea that they do.


If you want to talk of tolerance then try casting your eye over your own intolerant statement, as the Bible says: You notice the splinter in their eye while ignoring the plank in yours.

How exactly do you know what all "terrorists" are fighting for ?

Read the interviews given by many of the Majors & Generals who've been dealing with detainees in Iraq & Afghanistan and they'll tell you that the people we're fighting against are, for the most part, not fighting for religious reasons but because they are angered by the continuing colonial attitudes and actions of certain Western nations.

From a recent interview in the Independent:
""The reason why foreign fighters joined al-Qa'ida in Iraq was overwhelmingly because of abuses at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib and not Islamic ideology," says Major Matthew Alexander, who personally conducted 300 interrogations of prisoners in Iraq."

Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/torture-it-probably-killed-more-americans-than-911-1674396.html


You are living in a state of self imposed ignorance where you have sought the easiest answer possible to explain something, just as those with faith cling on to the idea that it is all God, so too do you cling on to the false idea that "it's all religion".
In fact, it is all greed, and those in positions of power are just using religion as a method to divide and conquer the people of the world for their own ends.

Our politicians have been trying their hardest to paint our nations as innocent victims of the Muslim world since 9/11 when nothing could be further from the truth.
Look at the Dictators we've supported over the years, The Shah in Iran, the Al Sauds in Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein until he decided he'd had enough of doing what he was told.
All of them, and many more, have been supported by the UK & US governments for decades. While we talk of freedom and democracy we support some of the most brutal regimes the world has ever seen and, for the most part, it is these hypocritical policies that have caused these attacks on our nations as people are sick of living in oppressive regimes so that we in the West can enjoy the fruits of their labour & the resources of their nations.

But you can go on believing it's all the fault of the Muslims and this vicious cycle will continue and all of the worlds children will suffer the consequences.

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12. At 2:31pm on 24 Jun 2009, deamon138 wrote:
"Why does the BBC feel it is required to pander to the M uslim community ?"

It takes a special kind of backwards of logic to think that debunking a myth held by 25% of British Muslims is somehow pandering to Muslims.

My comment is disagreeing with you. You might even say it's debunking your comment. Does that mean I'm pandering to you?

"The Muslim community is the offender in this case, not the British people"

Of the four terrorists who carried out the bombings, 3 were born and raised in Britain, and 1 was born in Jamaica, before taking up British citizenship when he was little. It is not true to say that the "Muslim community" and the "British people" are somehow separate, there are many British Muslims in this country, and as I have just shown, 4 were involved in 7/7. There is nothing in the term "Muslim" that says they can't be British, all it says is who or what they worship. That's all.

"Why is the BBC attempting to raise doubts in the minds of the population about who carried out the attack and why it was carried out."

The program is debunking the conspiracy. How does debunking raise doubts?

"should be condemned out of hand , rather than being justified as a fault of the victims."

And you got the idea that the BBC is blaming the victims from where exactly?

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13. At 2:34pm on 24 Jun 2009, rexel123 wrote:
It is amazing how so many people try to turn any discussion which happens to mention Muslims into a discussion into how we should blame Muslims for everything. Just a bit of advice, if you are going to do this then don't make stupid mistakes such as suggesting British people and Muslims are two separate groups, many people follow Islam and also consider themselves British. Also, being Muslim does NOT make you a terrorist any more so than being Catholic. It is pathetic idiots who believe that stuff that are destroying the country.

Anyway, as to this particular subject I do not see it as pandering to any particular group of people. Whether or not you believe any conspiracy to do with 7/7 (and a surprising amount of people of various backgrounds do believe) you should be pleased to see that offical statements are just being accepted and alternative explanations are considered, it all ties in with our "freedom". Conspiracy theory programmes on TV can often be dismissed as cheap entertainment but if done right they can provide a good public service.

I will watch this programme not because I happen to think the authorities are lying but because I will be interested to learn more about the views of other people regarding the subject. I have found previous Conspiracy Files episodes to be interesting even though conspiracy theorists will inevitably say the programme was biased and is simply covering up the truth, maybe this time it is, I look forward to watching the episode and deciding for myself.

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14. At 3:07pm on 24 Jun 2009, kaybraes wrote:
I did not as it seems, intend to blame the whole muslim community for the bombing, though it may have come out that way, what I meant was that the offenders were wholly from the muslim community and therefore the onus is on the muslim community to rectify the situation, not on the rest of the population to make special overtures to the community which may in fact be harbouring more of the same potentially murderous thugs; misguidedly allowing religious allegiance (as in Ireland during the troubles ) to shield the perpetrators and planners of such atrocities. Neither the rest of the population nor the security forces has any way of reaching into these communities where it is in fact a " closed shop " as far as information on terrorist activity is concerned either through fear of reprisal or just an unwillingness to become involved.

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15. At 3:12pm on 24 Jun 2009, Isenhorn wrote:
#8,
'This is one of the most ignorant & offensive things I've ever read in response to 7/7, it may well be a lack of clarity in what you've said but it comes across like you want to blame the whole Muslim community for the events of that day'

How typical! Just mention something negative about Muslims and a split second later somebody gets offended! Now all we need is an imam to start calling for a wolrd-wide 'day of anger'. I do not know whether the Muslims community supports terrorism, but Muslims do seem to be most easily offended by anything nowadays.

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16. At 3:24pm on 24 Jun 2009, get-real wrote:
I hope this programme will be interviewing the distinguished writer Nafeez Ahmed whose book The London Bombings: An Independent Inquiry (Duckworth) raises many disturbing questions about the atrocity.

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17. At 3:25pm on 24 Jun 2009, Elysiumfire wrote:
Kaybraes: "The Muslim community is the offender in this case..." I'm sorry, Kay, but that is a very obnoxious statement. Are we to blame all Christians for the witch burnings of earlier centuries, or perhaps even, the Inquisition? The offenders (or patsies) were individual persons aligned to the Muslim cause by both religious and ideological zeal. You cannot blame carteblanche a whole people or nation on the actions of individuals. Then again, your statement could be taken as an attempt to derail comments to the conspiratorial tone of the 7/7 bombings.

After doing research for myself, the conclusion I have drawn (but subject to change) is that the 7/7 attacks became good 'PR' for the reasons on the so-called 'War On Terror', particularly at a time when criticism of the war was reaching ever increasing vociferous levels. Bear in mind that the Iraq invasion was based utterly on lies, obsfucation, and corporate interests, all hiding behind the cause of fighting terrorism.

Coincidences of similarities between the attacks of 9/11 and 7/7 are alarming and most certainly thought-provoking. One such coincidence is that on days of both attacks, emergency services were already in place before the attacks took place holding supposed drills on the type of scenarios that actually transpired. The point of conspiracies is that they draw needed attention to the scenario of the conspiracy itself, and that they seek to provoke investigation into who ultimately benefits from the attack?

The wider picture (of which the attacks are a part of) is an incredibly nightmarish vision of a move to Corporate Totalitarianism on a global scale...and it is still unfolding, especially so whilst most of the population sleep their accepting way into its grip. This programme, will I expect seek to paint the conspiracy as being nothing more than the warped thoughts of fringe extremists, disgruntled with the government. An attempt to discredit and whitewash over the concerns and alarm of those whom are investigating the attacks. It is very important to use the faculty of discernment when doing the research, and there are plenty of people out there who are doing just that.

Always bear in mind that these events are not unconnected, but are pieces in the global jigsaw of a world being steered towards a corporate ideology that if shown in full crystal clarity would frighten the living daylights out of the people. Quiet though...the people sleep a uneasy and disquieting dream, best not to awake them to the truth, they could not take it.

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: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 07, 2009, 06:20:25 AM
THE DAILY MAIL
Conspiracy fever: As rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry
By Sue Reid
Last updated at 11:53 PM on 03rd July 2009

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197419/Conspiracy-fever-As-rumours-swell-government-staged-7-7-victims-relatives-proper-inquiry.html

Wow ... that's awesome... the comment ratings speak for themselves

This conspiracy theory is quite plainly wrong and some muslim leaders are using this to foment hatred towards Britain. I wonder why they aren't being arrested and charged for promoting racial hatred - no such luck. For example the time of the train at Luton is a non-starter. How many times have readers here caught a train, when services are disrupted, and it turns out to be an earlier train which has been delayed. This happens all the time. If this train was 23 minutes late then it doesn't follow it would be 23 minutes late at Kings Cross, trains often make up a few minutes if they are running late. The sensationalism of all these claims is ridiculous.

Sadly though the government did nothing to quell these theories with an incompetent and shoddy enquiry into 7/7. The only way of putting these rumours and untruths to rest is a public inquiry before this all gets out of hand and another group of deluded and hateful young men decide to wreak havoc on us all again.

- Jim Donnelly, Nottingham, England, 04/7/2009 07:48 Rating   -478

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As with the lunatics and conspiracy theory nuts who continue to trot out the lie that the US Government was responsible for 9/11.
Now the same lunatics are now saying that the UK Government is responsible for 7/7.
This is shameful and only adds grist to the Ismamic extremists.
This sort of lie is shameful beyond description.

- Howard Leech, Lancaster UK, 04/7/2009 08:32  Rating   -645

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Both 9/11 and 7/7 enquiries should be reopened with full transparancy and an fully independent body of ajudicators. There are far too many discrepancies in both occurences and too much hush hush to be convincing.
- Jim SA, Centurion S. Africa, 04/7/2009 08:10  Rating   608
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Geolibertarian July 07, 2009, 06:48:40 AM
What the banker-owned political establishment is either too stupid or too arrogant to realize is that, the more they bombard the public with these endless "hit pieces," the more they come across -- in the eyes of the very masses they're trying so desperately to fool and deceive -- as someone who "protests too much (http://www.goenglish.com/ProtestTooMuch.asp)."

The more you mindlessly exclaim, "Pay no attention to that conspiracy behind the curtain," NWO, the more you make people want to look behind that curtain (http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/aljoevsp1.html).

So to all you intellectual whores who lovingly serve the criminal, parasitic "global elite (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13808)," by all means, keep those ridiculous hit pieces coming! If there's one thing we can rely on, it's that you're way too arrogant not to.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 07, 2009, 06:55:38 AM
Daniel Obachike reviews the Conspiracy Files piece.
http://www.the4thbomb.com/bbc-conspiracy-files-review/

I watched the documentary with interest as initially I’d been the first person the BBC approched in 2007, before J7 passed on it when hearing of their arch nemesis Rachel North’s involvement. That left Nick Kollerstrom. I expected to get some kind of coverage but as an eye witness survivor with a different opinion to Rachel North and the government that just about ruled me out. With the blanket media ban imposed by Evans in 2007 I suppose the BBC couldn’t take the risk of bringing me to wider public attention.

One glaring omission from CF2 was the bandaged man who appeared at 2 bombing aftermaths, Piccadily and Tavistock square, led from one to the next by 2 intelligence operatives.

Does the BBC’s hachet job on the truth movement cripple it? It’s being stifled enough by the “Glamour kids” running it on behalf of you know who, focusing on every fleeting protest or point of public scrutiny as a means to embed themselves as anti-establishment. But personally I believe the BBC documentary only entrenches many of the misgivings people have about 7/7

(http://www.the4thbomb.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/bandaged_man_bbc_omission_obachike.jpg)
The BBC doc never explained the bandaged man


So apparently the BBC did interview him ... interesting how they left him out.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Mike Philbin July 07, 2009, 07:11:51 AM
Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
The Observer, Guardian.co.uk
Sunday 14 January 2007

The BBC has dropped a politically sensitive drama it was making about the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes by members of Scotland Yard's firearms squad.

The move has distressed members of the innocent Brazilian's family and enraged Katy Jones, the docu-drama's award-winning producer.

'I am extraordinarily disappointed, more than anything for the family. It was devastating for them. We had been told by the BBC it was the most important television commission of the year,' said Jones, who, with Jimmy McGovern, made Hillsborough and Sunday.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/jan/14/bbc.jeancharlesdemenezes
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: Stan July 07, 2009, 07:14:20 AM
THE DAILY MAIL
Conspiracy fever: As rumours swell that the government staged 7/7, victims' relatives call for a proper inquiry
By Sue Reid
Last updated at 11:53 PM on 03rd July 2009

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197419/Conspiracy-fever-As-rumours-swell-government-staged-7-7-victims-relatives-proper-inquiry.html

"Rachel North, a 39-year-old strategy director who survived the King's Cross Tube bombing, adds: 'We need a public inquiry. It was the public, after all, not the politicians, who were attacked. Let the public know what risks they run and tell them why there are those living among them who seek to kill for an ideal.'"

Well said for once. It's disgusting that we have to beg these crooks for an investigation we rightfully deserve. Just who do they think they are?

And I love the way the Telegraph continues this line that opposing views are dangerous and fuelling Muslim (read Extremist) hate. If the authoritahs would just answer the bloody questions with a proper investigation this wouldn't be a problem. At least not for those who seek the truth.

Wow ... that's awesome... the comment ratings speak for themselves

Yeah, I just noticed that. Great job, truthertrolls.  ;D
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Stan July 07, 2009, 07:17:03 AM
Vanessa Thorpe, arts and media correspondent
The Observer, Guardian.co.uk
Sunday 14 January 2007

The BBC has dropped a politically sensitive drama it was making about the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes by members of Scotland Yard's firearms squad.

Oh we can't have sympathy for a guy who was ruthlessly murdered by the state. I used to respect the BBC growing up but my eyes are fully open to them now.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: matrixcutter July 07, 2009, 12:57:56 PM
What the banker-owned political establishment is either too stupid or too arrogant to realize is that, the more they bombard the public with these endless "hit pieces," the more they come across -- in the eyes of the very masses they're trying so desperately to fool and deceive -- as someone who "protests too much (http://www.goenglish.com/ProtestTooMuch.asp)."

The more you mindlessly exclaim, "Pay no attention to that conspiracy behind the curtain," NWO, the more you make people want to look behind that curtain (http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/aljoevsp1.html).

So to all you intellectual whores who lovingly serve the criminal, parasitic "global elite (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13808)," by all means, keep those ridiculous hit pieces coming! If there's one thing we can rely on, it's that you're way too arrogant not to.
Or maybe a mass awareness of the criminality of the powers that be is actually part of the agenda.  We know that the MoD releasd a document predicting 30 years of riots, which have already started and are due to escalate next year:

April 13, 2007 Alan Watt blurb
"Pathocrats' Conspiracy AGENDA for Upcoming Generation (from Ministry of Defence)" - mp3 (http://dl.cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/Alan_Watt_Blurb_PathocratsConspiracyAgena_April132007.mp3) - transcript (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_PathocratsConspiracyAgena_April132007.html)
Watt discusses a document released by the Ministry of Defense (http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles/strat_trends_23jan07.pdf), mentioned in The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/apr/09/frontpagenews.news), which discusses a brainchipped population by 2035, "flashmobs", revolutionary middle classes, and the possible use of neutron bombs on the population.

Someone has made a video corresponding to this blurb (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4543855892537509598).

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Michael A. Hoffman II discussed the theory that we are living in the age of the Revelation of the Method in his book Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare (http://www.revisionisthistory.org/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi?cart_id=3561521.23404*xB5-L0&product=Books_and_Pamplets).

See also Revelation of the Method and the Murder of Spirit (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=98067.0)
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 07, 2009, 01:01:06 PM
So apparently the BBC did interview him ... interesting how they left him out.

Simple  ;D

Your not allowed to interview a Spook, you gets a "D-Notice" from Mi5  :o
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: matrixcutter July 07, 2009, 01:09:10 PM
I used to respect the BBC growing up but my eyes are fully open to them now.
I used to repect the BBC, largely due to repetition of people on TV saying that the BBC is so well respected around the world.

Two significant implications are that 1) the people on TV are very important, otherwise they wouldn't be on TV, and 2) most people respect the BBC, therefore you should too.  If you don't, it's because there is something wrong with you.  (Today the word for such a person would probably be 'extremist'.)

These two implications, combined with the predictability of how most people behave in certain situations, are at the heart of what is essentially mass brainwashing.  People who learn to think for themselves as an individual can see it happening everywhere, in the knowledge that most of the population can't, so far.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 07, 2009, 01:15:22 PM
I used to respect the BBC, largely due to repetition of people on TV saying that the BBC is so well respected around the world.

Two significant implications are that 1) the people on TV are very important, otherwise they wouldn't be on TV, and 2) most people respect the BBC, therefore you should too.  If you don't, it's because there is something wrong with you.  (Today the word for such a person would probably be 'extremist'.)

These two implications, combined with the predictability of how most people behave in certain situations, are at the heart of what is essentially mass brainwashing.  People who learn to think for themselves as an individual can see it happening everywhere, in the knowledge that most of the population can't, so far.

I remember during the cold war how the Brits would laugh at the Russians for being so daft as to believe anything published by Pravda as it was a Russian govt run and owned publication.

Perhaps they ought to apply the same criteria regarding the BBC.

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Mike Philbin July 07, 2009, 01:22:47 PM
I remember during the cold war...

What COLD WAR?  never existed, at the leadership level. Just TV, move along...

:)
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 07, 2009, 01:34:14 PM
What COLD WAR?  never existed, at the leadership level. Just TV, move along...

:)

LOL

Back then I used to try and point out that Soviet Union was bankrupt, no way could it afford to fund its military, and that a large chunk of its forces was needed to police its own popualtion . . . .

I was not part of any truth movement, all I did was read the backpage articles in The Times and apply some critical thinking. Next thing the BBC is saying "nobody could have predicted the collapse of the soviet union", what a load of bull !

Incidentally the CIA kept saying that the Soviet Union had no secret weapons and was broke, so Rumsflield says they got stuff so secret even the CIA can not detect it so we must spend more on high tech defences...

Anyway, I'm getting off topic, but the point is nobody should trust the BBC... It did not take a genius by a BBC reporter to notice just how bankrupt the Soviet Union was, . . . .

bottom line the BBC has a long history of being liars, why should anyone trust a Govt News Agent, when if you ask them "Do you trust the govt" 99% will say "No, don't be daft"
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Mike Philbin July 07, 2009, 01:38:50 PM
WG,

did you see my PANORAMA (last night) thread?
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=117504.msg727948#msg727948

there may actually be a Liberty From Tyranny  faction within the corporate Beebst

;)
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 07, 2009, 02:31:16 PM
Of course I missed it otherwise I would have posted a 'positive' comment . . .

Thanks for the tip
Another fine post
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: matrixcutter July 07, 2009, 03:07:07 PM
I remember during the cold war how the Brits would laugh at the Russians for being so daft as to believe anything published by Pravda as it was a Russian govt run and owned publication.

Perhaps they ought to apply the same criteria regarding the BBC.
Similarly, as Watt pointed out in last night's RBN show, people today laugh at how people centuries ago (and more) were conned and lied to by the priesthoods.  Yet millions of the same people don't ever question the new priesthoods i.e. scientists, even when their lies about global warming, vaccinations, etc. are exposed for anyone who cares to investigate it.

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July 6, 2009
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN:
Masters 'Correct' the Percept:
"Take a Little Time of Introspection,
Find Who's Playing with Your Perception,
Events Unforeseen Simply Unfold,
Experts Act on the Spot, so We're Told,
Yet Declassified Info Seems So Damning,
With Powerful Think-Tanks in Future Planning,
They've Political Agendas, Though Unelected,
Massive Financing, Well Protected,
Distorting Reality with Well-Crafted Word,
Mixing Truth with Deception, Perception is Blurred"
(Article: "RFID Implants for Humans Hyped On Yahoo Tech (http://www.voltairenet.org/article160843.html)" (voltairenet.org) - July 1, 2009.)
***Dialogue Copyrighted Alan Watt - July 6, 2009 (Exempting Music, Literary Quotes, and Callers' Comments)
***LISTEN / DOWNLOAD (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM2009/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_357_Masters_Correct_the_Percept_July062009.mp3)
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Berminator July 07, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
Similarly, as Watt pointed out in last night's RBN show, people today laugh at how people centuries ago (and more) were conned and lied to by the priesthoods.  Yet millions of the same people don't ever question the new priesthoods i.e. scientists, even when their lies about global warming, vaccinations, etc. are exposed for anyone who cares to investigate it.

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July 6, 2009
Alan Watt "Cutting Through The Matrix" on RBN:
Masters 'Correct' the Percept:
"Take a Little Time of Introspection,
Find Who's Playing with Your Perception,
Events Unforeseen Simply Unfold,
Experts Act on the Spot, so We're Told,
Yet Declassified Info Seems So Damning,
With Powerful Think-Tanks in Future Planning,
They've Political Agendas, Though Unelected,
Massive Financing, Well Protected,
Distorting Reality with Well-Crafted Word,
Mixing Truth with Deception, Perception is Blurred"
(Article: "RFID Implants for Humans Hyped On Yahoo Tech (http://www.voltairenet.org/article160843.html)" (voltairenet.org) - July 1, 2009.)
***Dialogue Copyrighted Alan Watt - July 6, 2009 (Exempting Music, Literary Quotes, and Callers' Comments)
***LISTEN / DOWNLOAD (http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/CTTM2009/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_357_Masters_Correct_the_Percept_July062009.mp3)

Thanks matrix, i'll catch it after show. :)
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phigsy July 07, 2009, 06:16:52 PM
I remember during the cold war.......

Enter the re-incarnation of uncle Albert from 'Only Fools & Horses'.

No offence pal, good job  8)
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 07, 2009, 06:26:37 PM
Enter the re-incarnation of uncle Albert from 'Only Fools & Horses'.

No offence pal, good job  8)

Haha... just imagine in many decades time when we're old telling our grandchildren stories stories of the infowar...
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 07, 2009, 07:25:22 PM
Enter the re-incarnation of uncle Albert from 'Only Fools & Horses'.

No offence pal, good job  8)

maybe I'm not a kitten anymore . . . .  ::)

: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Philip King July 07, 2009, 11:06:30 PM
I'm so pleased the BBC found 5 minutes after the Michael Jackson ceremony and the tennis, to include a tribute to lives unnecessarily lost via the tradgic events of 7/7. Although the focus did seem be on the one million pound? statue erected in memory of the innocent victims.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Mike Philbin July 08, 2009, 01:55:01 AM
I'm so pleased the BBC found 5 minutes after the Michael Jackson ceremony and the tennis, to include a tribute to lives unnecessarily lost via the tradgic events of 7/7. Although the focus did seem be on the one million pound? statue erected in memory of the innocent victims.

I don't want any more of MY MONEY spent on the tyrannical overthrow of MY PEOPLE.
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: phasma July 08, 2009, 03:37:47 AM
A tribute to the start of the end !
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Scootle July 08, 2009, 07:11:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MkJc_aQ-3c

Awww how kind ... Gordon Brown and Prince Charles took time out of their satanic rituals to "pay their respects".

Sickening.
: Re: BBC to broadcast a new documentary defending the official story on 7/7
: pr July 26, 2009, 12:42:46 AM
Wow, they did mention it.  And they linked it to anti-semitism, and used various other standard techniques that have already been pointed out.

I was completely unaware of any (alleged) belief of John Anthony Hill's regarding being the messiah.  I know that David Shayler, who was also mentioned, says he believes himself to be the messiah - so a casual/irrational viewer might look up David Shayler, watch a few of his recent videos and then conclude that all 7/7 "conspiracy theorists" (a term which, as usual, excludes the government's official theory about a ridiculously unlikely conspiracy) think they're the messiah.

Anyway, I've had a quick look and this is what I've found:

This page (http://www.julyseventh.co.uk/j-for-justice-77-ripple-effect.html) asserts that Hill "believes he is the Sheffield-born messiah and demands 'that he be acknowledged as the Rightful British-Israel King.' (http://jahtruth.net/emmau2.htm) "

The link they send you to - http://jahtruth.net/emmau2.htm - indicates that the website was created by "JAH".  Does anyone know of any proof that "JAH" is John Anthony Hill, the man who made 7/7 Ripple Effect?

This page shows links to his websites. You can also listen to JAHs radio interviews over half way down the page, its the same voice as Ripple Effect.

http://100777.com/ark

Also this is his free book in pdf.

http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net/
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: EvadingGrid July 27, 2009, 11:15:31 AM
This thread - 7/7 - will not be forgotten . ., .
: Re: BBC hit piece on 7/7 actually confirms that Ripple Effect is 100% true!!!
: Mike Philbin July 27, 2009, 11:32:29 AM
EVER.

 8)

This thread - 7/7 - will not be forgotten . . .