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CIA Involvement in Fundamentalist Churches
« on: September 29, 2008, 11:13:16 AM »
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By: Stanley Campbell (no affiliation)

I didn’t think much when I met one of the evangelical pastors from an Assembly of God church, and he told me he was a former CIA agent. I wondered how he came by his faith. I thought he might have had to reconcile himself with what he had done for the United States government now that he was a pastor for the Lord. But then I met another, and then another. There seems to be a plethora of pastors who once worked as intelligence officers for the world’s largest spying corporation.
Now, I’m not a paranoid person, and I don’t believe in conspiracy theories, but the thought of ex-CIA agents taking over fundamentalist congregations seems too weird.

Because I remember when pastors were liberal and anti-war. I remember hearing of Catholic CIA agents who blew the whistle on atrocities committed in Vietnam and Central America. In fact, some of the best-known heroes of the left came from a religious background, entered the CIA and were appalled at what they were ordered to do.

Case in point: Daniel Ellsberg. Once a seminary student, then an officer in Vietnam, and finally working for the nation’s highest intelligence organization, he was ordered to compile all the records of our war in Vietnam into a readable history. Ellsberg got them published by The New York Times, instead of keeping them secret. Otherwise known as the Pentagon Papers, these records showed how America deceived its own citizens and fostered a war in that far Southeast Asian country, of which we are still feeling the effects today.

President Richard Nixon, to try to discredit Daniel Ellsberg, set up the “plumbers” spies who ransacked Ellsberg’s psychiatrist office. Tricky Dick then used these same plumbers to tap the Democratic Headquarters in the Watergate office buildings.

Other former CIA agents, like Phillip Agee and John Stockwell, told their stories of intrigue and American meddling in the affairs of other countries. All had a religious background and a penchant for telling the truth at inconvenient times. And in the ’80s, it seemed Protestant churches led the forefront of the peace movement. Maybe liberals got religion when Ronald Reagan was elected President, but they opened the church doors to Central and South American refugees fleeing American imperialism. Latin American “liberals” were being called Communists and were getting killed left and far left. Those that made it to our borders were given sanctuary in some of the churches of the United States.

The FBI hounded most of these pastors and lay people. But it was a time of religious fortitude. The congregations, most of them, stood strong against federal intrigue. And they were proven correct: from Chile to Chiapas, the long arm of the CIA reached into innocent people’s lives.

This may have triggered the CIA encouraging their members to find religion. I’m not saying it’s a program set up by the government. But if I were to write a novel, I would use the premise of evangelical churches getting lots of support from the United States government’s right wing.

It was about the 1990s when the growth of these churches reached corporate levels, and television enhanced the conservative Christian political activists. Many of the mega congregations have a conservative bent to their politics, and I would like to know how many of those pastors got their degree from Arlington, Va.

There is talk that in the End Times, an Anti-Christ will show up preaching peace but planning wars. There is little that is more anti-Christ than the Central Intelligence Agency. And some of these churches believe God hates homosexuals and wants us to go to war and kill Muslims. They have little regard for immigrants, and some profess Jesus never asked us to help the poor. If that isn’t “anti-Christ,” I don’t know what is.

But it all could be an overworked imagination.

Stanley Campbell is executive director of Rockford Urban Ministries and spokesman for Rockford Peace & Justice.


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Re: CIA Involvement in Fundamentalist Churches
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2008, 02:39:51 PM »
I would highly recommend watching The Doomsday Code.  It might upset some of
you but if you can see the forest through the trees the point is clear.

The Doomsday Code
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6439295521791525424

"For End-Timers, the rebirth of Israel marks the first and greatest of a sequence of
apocalyptic signs of the end times. It means that all the Bible's prophecies for the
end-times, many of which specifically mention Israel, can now be fulfilled in a completely
literal way."

What is the real source of these ideas that so many people attribute to the book of
Revelation? Whoever wrote it sheltered in a cave on the Greek island of Patmos,
probably a refugee from Roman occupied Palestine. He is also likely to have consumed
the local hallucinogenic magic mushrooms. So rather than taking these bizarre visions
literally, it might make more sense to try to understand them in their historical context.

There are some 40 apocalyptic books from this era but this was the only one that made
it into the Bible. If the author was writing about the hated Roman Empire, it could be
that the seven heads of the beast meant the seven emperors. The mark of the beast
could be the head of the emperor on the coins. The dreaded 666 very likely represented
three letters indicating the Emperor Nero – representing letters by numbers was, and is,
common in Hebrew. If so, instead of being a description of a world in chaos, it could be
seen as a book of morality, optimism and faith.

Let's hope the End Timers start to see it like that before their actions really do bring
about the end of the world. (Excerpt from main website)

Please visit the official website for more information:
http://www.channel4.com

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Re: CIA Involvement in Fundamentalist Churches
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2008, 02:11:06 PM »
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Let's hope the End Timers start to see it like that before their actions really do bring
about the end of the world.

Hi there,

I consider myself an End Timer myself, but not the kind you may think.  And I am not at all upset or offended.  In fact, I just now watched the Doomsday Code, and there wasn't anything new I learned.   It's exactly the way you describe it:   that End Timers really are bringing about the end of the world.   I believe we are fast approaching the End Times, and the reason is precisely because so many well-meaning but misled Christians are unwittingly helping to bring it about.   It is natural that non-Christians will generalize all End Timers into one, single category; but when you delve deeper there are actually a number of significant minority groups who could not disagree more with all of this.

Let's first start with the majority group:  this is the Christian Zionist, dispensationalist group.  This is your Left Behind, Rapture, 1948 Israel signifies the End times so yay Israel, if-we-invade-Iran-we'll-get-Armageddon and Jesus-will-come-back group.  It's exactly as Doomsday Code describes it.  Mega churches, televangelists, the whole bit.

But you have a number of other camps within Christian End Times theology who think this whole Christian Zionist thing is crap.  That's where I sit.


Along that line, I want to address the point about Revelation being written by a refugee from the hated Romans.  That is not entirely accurate.  Apostle John (Revelation's author) was fleeing from his own people, the Jews.  It's the same story here--just like there are fractures within Christianity, there was a huge rift in Judaism at the time:  those who accepted Christ, and those who did not.  Those who did not were the ones rebelling against the Roman Empire, and also persecuting and killing those who accepted Christ.  John, despite being Jewish, was fleeing from Jewish persecution more than he was the Romans. 

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Re: CIA Involvement in Fundamentalist Churches
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2008, 02:28:01 PM »
I will not get to see the Doomsday Code today but I will when I get a chance.  It sounds interesting.  I agree with the poster before me in that you can not lump all people that believe we could be living in the end times together.  There could be as many theories about the end times as there are people  that believe that we live in the end times.  Although Christian Zionism is linked with the popularity of the Left Behind Books it can be traced back to the book The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey written in 1970.  Anyway I look forward to seeing this movie.
"We have reached a stage at which we have surrounded ourselves with more things, but have less joy." - The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky translated by Ignat Avsey