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« on: November 07, 2008, 07:14:59 AM »

Are Zionists nothing more than a group of saintly do-gooders trying to promote the general welfare of the Jewish people, as well as protect and defend them from terrorists and racist aggressors?

Carefully examine all of the following and decide for yourself:

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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2008, 07:52:35 AM »

Lest anyone overlook the importance of this issue, consider the following excerpt from an October 6 article by Kurt Nimo:

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It’s too bad more Americans didn’t listen to the neocon wunderkind, Bill Kristol, before going to the polling places and voting for Barack Obama. Back in June, Kristol told the audience at an AIPAC conference there is little difference between Obama and McCain when it comes to Iran and the potential for conflict. “Obama’s not for cutting the defense budget,” said Kristol. “Obama’s not for pulling troops back from our forward positions around the world, with the exception of Iraq. Obama and McCain don’t actually differ, at least on paper, even on Iran, where they’re arguing about whether they would talk to [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad or not — and I think that’s an important dispute. Still, at the end of the day, Obama doesn’t say he would rule out the use of force.”

Unfortunately, by the time election day rolled around, few people seemed to realize or care that Obama is essentially a neocon dedicated to the very same agenda as McCain, who was handled by a bevy of neocons. McCain wasn’t called McBush for nothing. Now that the election is over and Obama won handily, it will be safe for him to show his real colors, as he did less than 12 hours after cinching the nomination back in June. During the election, few seemed to remember this undying devotion to Israel, so pervasive was the Obama voodoo trance.

“A mere 12 hours after claiming the Democratic presidential nomination, Barack Obama appeared before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee yesterday — and changed himself into an Israel hard-liner,” Dana Milbank wrote for the Washington Post on June 5. “He promised $30 billion in military assistance for Israel. He declared that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps’ Quds Force has ‘rightly been labeled a terrorist organization.’ He used terms such as ‘false prophets of extremism’ and ‘corrupt’ while discussing Palestinians.” He even went so far as to declare Jerusalem “the capital of Israel” and stressed, never mind international law, it must “must remain undivided,” that is to say in the hands of the Israelis.

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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2008, 10:16:49 AM »

Sounds like I picked the right day to create this thread, since Alex is talking about the Zionist control of U.S. policy right now.
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2008, 01:39:42 PM »

Re: What do you know about Zionism?

ITS NOT VERY NICE!

Also Check out THE PHILOSOPHY OF ZIONISM AND ISRAEL

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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2008, 01:49:19 PM »

Jesus warns about zionism in the book of Revelation.

Revelation 2:9
"'I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."

Revelation 3:9
'I will make those who belong to the synagogue of Satan-those who claim to be Jews and aren't, but are lying-come and bow down at your feet. Then they will realize that I have loved you.'
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2008, 02:01:22 PM »

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The Rothschilds’ found the Zionist Congress to promote Zionism. Zionism is portrayed as a political movement seeking to secure a homeland for the Jews, but is in reality a conspiracy to bring the entire world under a World Government administered and controlled by Jews, and in particular, the Rothschilds’.

To be able to control the world and promote the NWO agenda Rothschild's realized they needed a secure place where no other people or government would interfere in their agenda. That's why they saw the opportunity to form Israel to go on with the plans. The Zionists are atheists and they have spilled Jewish blood for it's plans.

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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2008, 02:10:21 PM »

You know, I really want to talk about this, but I'm not sure I want to do it here, lol.

I've begun to look at some of these things, and I'm starting to really feel very.... lied to... about our world's history, let me just put it that way.

To say the least.
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2008, 02:15:41 PM »

Rahm Emanuel
 
The new "golden boy" of the Democrat Party, the Israeli-American congressman Rahm Emanuel, is the son of a terrorist.
 
Really, I am not making this up, the chief power-broker of the Democrat Party, the 5-and-a-half foot foul-mouthed Israeli named Rahm, is the son of terrorist ­ a real living terrorist.
 
So, what do we do as citizens of the land of the free and the home of the brave fighting the War on Terror?
 
Do we run and hide from the foul-mouthed little Israeli who danced ballet and swears for effect - or do we laugh? Or do we demand answers? How can we respect a U.S. Congressman who served in a foreign army and whose father was a terrorist?
 
Rep. Rahm Emanuel, the Democrat congressman for the 5th District of Illinois in Chicago is the son of an Israeli terrorist. Rahm's father, Benjamin, was a member of the Irgun, the Zionist terrorist organization that coined a new word as they blew up hotels, train stations, and other buildings in Palestine in the 1930s and 40s.
 
Rahm was an Israeli citizen until he was 18 years old, when for obvious reasons he hid his Israeli passport in his underwear drawer. In 1991, however, he pulled his Israeli passport out and went and reportedly joined the Israeli Army to defend Zion from Saddam's Scuds.
 
Irgun, the army of his father, is short for Irgun Zvai Leumi, which supposedly means something like "National Military Organization" in Hebrew. As a matter of fact, the Irgun was simply a terrorist Zionist group that operated in Palestine from 1931 to 1948. They killed innocent Palestinians and British soldiers and blew up buildings.
 
After 1948 they became part of the new Israeli government and did the same thing. In September 2001 they put their skills to work in New York City and Washington to kick start the "war on terror" - a conflict long promoted by their chief architect, Bibi Netanyahu, son of the former secretary of Ze'ev Jabotinsky.
 
The Irgun even has a website with pictures of the buildings they blew up before they demolished the World Trade Center with Thermite and high explosives:
www.etzel.org. il
 
In Israel, the Irgun is referred to as Etzel, an acronym of the group's Hebrew initials. The Irgun was considered a terrorist organization by the British authorities as well as by mainstream Zionist and Jewish organizations, such as the Jewish Agency, the Haganah and the Histadrut. (It just has not made it onto the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist organizations ­ even after blowing up the World Trade Center. Some people are slow to learn.)
 
Irgun was founded by Ze'ev Jabotinsky and the relationship with Jabotinsky's Revisionist Zionism made it the predecessor to Israel's right-wing Herut and Likud parties.
 
Guess who runs Israel today?
 
Answer: The sons and daughters of Irgun. (Check out the commander list on the Etzel website if you don't believe me.)
 
Guess who runs the United States today? The same people ­ let's start with Rahm Emanuel.
 
Of course you won't find anything about Rep. Emanuel's father's exploits in Palestine on Rahm's website: http://www.house. gov/ emanuel/ aboutrahm. shtml
 
The late Sherman Skolnick of Chicago called Rahm Emanuel the "Acting Deputy Chief for North America of the Mossad ­ Israeli Intelligence. "
cloakanddagger. de Rahm Emanuel
 
Skolnick went on to say that Emanuel's father Benjamin had been "part of the Israeli assassin team that murdered Sweden's Count [Folke] Bernadotte" in 1948. Bernadotte was the envoy of the United Nations in Palestine who sought to find a solution to the UN Partition Plan that gave Palestinian land to Jews from "beyond the pale."
 
Was Skolnick correct? Skolnick does not document his claims so I checked into his allegations.
 
"Beyond the pale" would certainly describe where Rahm Emanuel's family came from. His father's family came to Palestine from somewhere in the Ukraine in 1917, according to what Dr. Benjamin M. Emanuel told me the other day. Dr. Emanuel now lives on the appropriately named Locust Road in Wilmette, Illinois.
 
Benjamin, speaking with a thick Israeli accent, told me that his father's name was Ezekiel Auerbach and that his mother's name was Pinina or something like that. He said it meant "pearl" in Hebrew. Asked about his role in the Irgun, Ben told me he had been a "simple soldier."
 
Yes, Ben, but serving as "simple soldier" in a terrorist organization makes you a terrorist. And the fact that you served in a terrorist organization 60 years ago makes no difference. You know, same rules for Nazis and terrorists.
 
Is that not what all those fellows in Guantanamo are being held for?
 
The Emanuel family name was Auerbach until 1936, although they are not related to the famous rabbinical family of Germany and Krakow named Auerbach. Ben said that his family was from Russia. (Well, the pale but not quite Russia.)
His father Ezekiel supposedly changed the family name to Emanuel when his son with that name died fighting Palestinians in 1936.
 
Many Jewish families in Palestine changed their names to make themselves sound like they actually came from Palestine. And you wondered where all those Jews disappeared during World War II?
 
Sheinerman became Sharon, Yezernitzky became Shamir, and Auerbach became Emanuel, and so on. And then multiply by a few hundred thousand. Voila! Millions of European Jews vanish from the face of the Earth - and build new lives in Palestine.
 
Ben told me that Emanuel Auerbach had died from "shrapnel in the knee" in 1936. When I asked him today for details on this incident he suddenly decided that he did not want to do an interview on the phone and hung up.
 
But before he terminated the conversation, Dr. Benjamin Auerbach- cum- Emanuel told me that he had been a member of the Irgun and had served under Menachem Begin. He told me that he had never met Begin and had not smuggled weapons into Palestine, other news reports notwithstanding.
 
Naftali Bendavid (not a local reporter) with The Chicago Tribune spent 18 months working with Rahm Emanuel to prepare a story for the week after the mid-term elections although Naftali did not think that there was enough room in the 9-page story to mention the salient fact that Dr. Benjamin Emanuel had been a member of the terrorist organization ­ the Irgun.
 
No. In 9 pages of Bendavid's fluff piece there was simply no room to mention the ugly fact that Rahm's father had been a member of a terrorist organization.
 
Naftali Bendavid (clearly of Israeli persuasion) wrote a 9-page cover story for last Sunday's paper, which took up the entire second section of the now-failing Chicago Tribune. (The latest rumor in Chicago is that the indicted but not convicted Zionist criminal Maurice Greenberg may buy the Tribune.)
 
(This is the same paper that actually hired an outside writer from TIME magazine to co-author a short piece in order to properly smear me and misrepresent the story of my brutal arrest at the hands of Homeland Security goons last August.)
Naftali, at his office in Washington, knew all about Irgun when I spoke with him on the phone. When I said it was an egregious omission to leave out the fact that Rahm's father had been in the Irgun, he said he just couldn't figure how to squeeze that bit into a 9-page article.
 
Naftali, let me help, as English is my mother tongue: "Rahm Emanuel's father Benjamin was a member of the Irgun, a Zionist terrorist group that operated in Palestine from 1931 to 1948. The Irgun blew up buildings and killed hundreds of innocent people in order to achieve the goals of militant Zionism in occupied Palestine."
 
Rahm's mother is Martha Smulevitz, who married the Israeli doctor in August 1955. Ben told me that they met in Chicago. I asked if she was related to the Smulevitz family that was living in Palestine in the 1930s. He said no.
 
There are Smulevitz's and Shmuelevitz' s all throughout the Zionist invasion of Palestine. One was hanged by the Brits, one dealt with the Nazis in Berlin, and another was the chief of staff for Menachem Begin ­ take your pick.
 
It would, however, be most interesting if Rahm's father were actually related to Moshe Auerbach, the Zionist who went to Berlin with Pino Ginzburg to arrange the transfer of Jews and money to Palestine ­ with the Nazi regime.
 
On February 28 1937, Feivel Polkes, head of the Haganah told Adolf Eichmann that he was interested most of all in "accelerating Jewish migration to Palestine so that the Jews would obtain a majority over the Arabs in his country."
 
In The Secret Contacts: Zionism and Nazi Germany -1933-1941 by Klaus Polkehn, he revealed that collaboration between the Zionists and the Third Reich was cemented by the "Mossad Aliyah Beth" which had been created by Haganah as an illegal immigration organization. Pina Ginsburg and Moshe Auerbach, with the blessings of the Reich, set up offices in Berlin to carry out their immigration activities in 1938.
 
Here is a page from Klaus Polkehn's book.
 
And you wonder where Rahm Emanuel got his "chutzpah" from?
 
Photo: "I said before the election that if the Democrats win the House, the lion's share of the credit should go to Rahm," says Rep. Ray LaHood, an Illinois Republican. "He legitimately can be called the golden boy of the Democratic Party today. He recruited the right candidates, found the money and funded them, and provided issues for them. Rahm did what no one else could do in seven cycles."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/08/AR2006110802239.html

And the fact that more than 70 percent of the American population is opposed to wasting U.S. blood and treasure to fight a Zionist war in Iraq means nothing?
 
 
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Anti Zionism and Antisemitism are not the same but its a controversial subject to say the least.



 
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A Jewish Defector Warns America
Introductory Note:

Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century. Born in 1890, he was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City at one time principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States.

Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times.

This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel, Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us -- his warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before. -- K.A.S.

Benjamin Freedman Speaks:
Here in the United States, the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons, too many and too complex to go into here at this time, the Zionists and their co-religionists rule these United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country. Now you may say that is a very broad statement, but let me show you what happened while we were all asleep.

What happened? World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. There are few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged on one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side by Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.

Within two years Germany had won that war: not only won it nominally, but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to the world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean. Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers, with one week's food supply -- and after that, starvation. At that time, the French army had mutinied. They had lost 600,000 of the flower of French youth in the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army was defecting, they were picking up their toys and going home, they didn't want to play war anymore, they didn't like the Czar. And the Italian army had collapsed.

Not a shot had been fired on German soil. Not one enemy soldier had crossed the border into Germany. And yet, Germany was offering England peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the lawyers call a status quo ante basis. That means: "Let's call the war off, and let everything be as it was before the war started." England, in the summer of 1916 was considering that -- seriously. They had no choice. It was either accepting this negotiated peace that Germany was magnanimously offering them, or going on with the war and being totally defeated.

While that was going on, the Zionists in Germany, who represented the Zionists from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet and -- I am going to be brief because it's a long story, but I have all the documents to prove any statement that I make -- they said: "Look here. You can yet win this war. You don't have to give up. You don't have to accept the negotiated peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win this war if the United States will come in as your ally." The United States was not in the war at that time. We were fresh; we were young; we were rich; we were powerful. They told England: "We will guarantee to bring the United States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side, if you will promise us Palestine after you win the war." In other words, they made this deal: "We will get the United States into this war as your ally. The price you must pay is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey." Now England had as much right to promise Palestine to anybody, as the United States would have to promise Japan to Ireland for any reason whatsoever. It's absolutely absurd that Great Britain, that never had any connection or any interest or any right in what is known as Palestine should offer it as coin of the realm to pay the Zionists for bringing the United States into the war. However, they did make that promise, in October of 1916. And shortly after that -- I don't know how many here remember it -- the United States, which was almost totally pro-German, entered the war as Britain's ally.

I say that the United States was almost totally pro-German because the newspapers here were controlled by Jews, the bankers were Jews, all the media of mass communications in this country were controlled by Jews; and they, the Jews, were pro-German. They were pro-German because many of them had come from Germany, and also they wanted to see Germany lick the Czar. The Jews didn't like the Czar, and they didn't want Russia to win this war. These German-Jew bankers, like Kuhn Loeb and the other big banking firms in the United States refused to finance France or England to the extent of one dollar. They stood aside and they said: "As long as France and England are tied up with Russia, not one cent!" But they poured money into Germany, they fought beside Germany against Russia, trying to lick the Czarist regime.

Now those same Jews, when they saw the possibility of getting Palestine, went to England and they made this deal. At that time, everything changed, like a traffic light that changes from red to green. Where the newspapers had been all pro-German, where they'd been telling the people of the difficulties that Germany was having fighting Great Britain commercially and in other respects, all of a sudden the Germans were no good. They were villains. They were Huns. They were shooting Red Cross nurses. They were cutting off babies' hands. They were no good. Shortly after that, Mr. Wilson declared war on Germany.

The Zionists in London had sent cables to the United States, to Justice Brandeis, saying "Go to work on President Wilson. We're getting from England what we want. Now you go to work on President Wilson and get the United States into the war." That's how the United States got into the war. We had no more interest in it; we had no more right to be in it than we have to be on the moon tonight instead of in this room. There was absolutely no reason for World War I to be our war. We were railroaded into -- if I can be vulgar, we were suckered into -- that war merely so that the Zionists of the world could obtain Palestine. That is something that the people of the United States have never been told. They never knew why we went into World War I.

After we got into the war, the Zionists went to Great Britain and they said: "Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let's have something in writing that shows that you are going to keep your bargain and give us Palestine after you win the war." They didn't know whether the war would last another year or another ten years. So they started to work out a receipt. The receipt took the form of a letter, which was worded in very cryptic language so that the world at large wouldn't know what it was all about. And that was called the Balfour Declaration.

The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay the Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting the United States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you hear so much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. I don't think I could make it more emphatic than that.

That is where all the trouble started. The United States got in the war. The United States crushed Germany. You know what happened. When the war ended, and the Germans went to Paris for the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the Jews, headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought to know.

Now what happened? The Jews at that peace conference, when they were cutting up Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations who claimed a right to a certain part of European territory, said, "How about Palestine for us?" And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized, "Oh, so that was the game! That's why the United States came into the war." The Germans for the first time realized that they were defeated, they suffered the terrific reparations that were slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted Palestine and were determined to get it at any cost.

That brings us to another very interesting point. When the Germans realized this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had never been better off in any country in the world than they had been in Germany. You had Mr. Rathenau there, who was maybe 100 times as important in industry and finance as is Bernard Baruch in this country. You had Mr. Balin, who owned the two big steamship lines, the North German Lloyd's and the Hamburg-American Lines. You had Mr. Bleichroder, who was the banker for the Hohenzollern family. You had the Warburgs in Hamburg, who were the big merchant bankers -- the biggest in the world. The Jews were doing very well in Germany. No question about that. The Germans felt: "Well, that was quite a sellout."

It was a sellout that might be compared to this hypothetical situation: Suppose the United States was at war with the Soviet Union. And we were winning. And we told the Soviet Union: "Well, let's quit. We offer you peace terms. Let's forget the whole thing." And all of a sudden Red China came into the war as an ally of the Soviet Union. And throwing them into the war brought about our defeat. A crushing defeat, with reparations the likes of which man's imagination cannot encompass. Imagine, then, after that defeat, if we found out that it was the Chinese in this country, our Chinese citizens, who all the time we had thought were loyal citizens working with us, were selling us out to the Soviet Union and that it was through them that Red China was brought into the war against us. How would we feel, then, in the United States against Chinese? I don't think that one of them would dare show his face on any street. There wouldn't be enough convenient lampposts to take care of them. Imagine how we would feel.

Well, that's how the Germans felt towards these Jews. They'd been so nice to them: from 1905 on, when the first Communist revolution in Russia failed, and the Jews had to scramble out of Russia, they all went to Germany. And Germany gave them refuge. And they were treated very nicely. And here they had sold Germany down the river for no reason at all other than the fact that they wanted Palestine as a so-called "Jewish commonwealth."

Now Nahum Sokolow, and all the great leaders and great names that you read about in connection with Zionism today, in 1919, 1920, 1921, 1922, and 1923 wrote in all their papers -- and the press was filled with their statements -- that the feeling against the Jews in Germany is due to the fact that they realized that this great defeat was brought about by Jewish intercession in bringing the United States into the war. The Jews themselves admitted that. It wasn't that the Germans in 1919 discovered that a glass of Jewish blood tasted better than Coca-Cola or Muenschner Beer. There was no religious feeling. There was no sentiment against those people merely on account of their religious belief. It was all political. It was economic. It was anything but religious. Nobody cared in Germany whether a Jew went home and pulled down the shades and said "Shema 'Yisroel" or "Our Father." Nobody cared in Germany any more than they do in the United States. Now this feeling that developed later in Germany was due to one thing: the Germans held the Jews responsible for their crushing defeat.

And World War I had been started against Germany for no reason for which Germany was responsible. They were guilty of nothing. Only of being successful. They built up a big navy. They built up world trade. You must remember that Germany at the time of the French Revolution consisted of 300 small city-states, principalities, dukedoms, and so forth. Three hundred separate little political entities. And between that time, between the times of Napoleon and Bismarck, they were consolidated into one state. And within 50 years they became one of the world's great powers. Their navy was rivaling Great Britain's, they were doing business all over the world, they could undersell anybody, they could make better products. What happened as a result of that?

There was a conspiracy between England, France, and Russia to slap down Germany. There isn't one historian in the world who can find a valid reason why those three countries decided to wipe Germany off the map politically.

When Germany realized that the Jews were responsible for her defeat, they naturally resented it. But not a hair on the head of any Jew was harmed. Not a single hair. Professor Tansill, of Georgetown University, who had access to all the secret papers of the State Department, wrote in his book, and quoted from a State Department document written by Hugo Schoenfelt, a Jew whom Cordell Hull sent to Europe in 1933 to investigate the so-called camps of political prisoners, who wrote back that he found them in very fine condition. They were in excellent shape, with everybody treated well. And they were filled with Communists. Well, a lot of them were Jews, because the Jews happened to comprise about 98 per cent of the Communists in Europe at that time. And there were some priests there, and ministers, and labor leaders, and Masons, and others who had international affiliations.

Some background is in order: In 1918-1919 the Communists took over Bavaria for a few days. Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht and a group of other Jews took over the government for three days. In fact, when the Kaiser ended the war he fled to Holland because he thought the Communists were going to take over Germany as they did Russia and that he was going to meet the same fate as the Czar. So he fled to Holland for safety, for security. After the Communist threat in Germany was quashed, the Jews were still working, trying to get back into their former status, and the Germans fought them in every way they could without hurting a single hair on anyone's head. They fought them the same way that, in this country, the Prohibitionists fought anyone who was interested in liquor. They didn't fight one another with pistols. Well, that's the way they were fighting the Jews in Germany. And at that time, mind you, there were 80 to 90 million Germans, and there were only 460,000 Jews. About one half of one per cent of the population of Germany were Jews. And yet they controlled all the press, and they controlled most of the economy because they had come in with cheap money when the mark was devalued and bought up practically everything.

The Jews tried to keep a lid on this fact. They didn't want the world to really understand that they had sold out Germany, and that the Germans resented that.

The Germans took appropriate action against the Jews. They, shall I say, discriminated against them wherever they could. They shunned them. The same way that we would shun the Chinese, or the Negroes, or the Catholics, or anyone in this country who had sold us out to an enemy and brought about our defeat.

After a while, the Jews of the world called a meeting in Amsterdam. Jews from every country in the world attended this meeting in July 1933. And they said to Germany: "You fire Hitler, and you put every Jew back into his former position, whether he was a Communist or no matter what he was. You can't treat us that way. And we, the Jews of the world, are serving an ultimatum upon you." You can imagine what the Germans told them. So what did the Jews do?

In 1933, when Germany refused to surrender to the world conference of Jews in Amsterdam, the conference broke up, and Mr. Samuel Untermyer, who was the head of the American delegation and the president of the whole conference, came to the United States and went from the steamer to the studios of the Columbia Broadcasting System and made a radio broadcast throughout the United States in which he in effect said, "The Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are now engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are going to starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide boycott against them. That will destroy them because they are dependent upon their export business."

And it is a fact that two thirds of Germany's food supply had to be imported, and it could only be imported with the proceeds of what they exported. So if Germany could not export, two thirds of Germany's population would have to starve. There was just not enough food for more than one third of the population. Now in this declaration, which I have here, and which was printed in the New York Times on August 7, 1933, Mr. Samuel Untermyer boldly stated that "this economic boycott is our means of self-defense. President Roosevelt has advocated its use in the National Recovery Administration," which some of you may remember, where everybody was to be boycotted unless he followed the rules laid down by the New Deal, and which was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of that time. Nevertheless, the Jews of the world declared a boycott against Germany, and it was so effective that you couldn't find one thing in any store anywhere in the world with the words "Made in Germany" on it. In fact, an executive of the Woolworth Company told me that they had to dump millions of dollars worth of crockery and dishes into the river; that their stores were boycotted if anyone came in and found a dish marked "made in Germany," they were picketed with signs saying "Hitler," "murderer," and so forth, something like these sit-ins that are taking place in the South.

At a store belonging to the R. H. Macy chain, which was controlled by a family called Strauss who also happen to be Jews, a woman found stockings there which came from Chemnitz, marked "Made in Germany." Well, they were cotton stockings and they may have been there 20 years, since I've been observing women's legs for many years and it's been a long time since I've seen any cotton stockings on them. I saw Macy's boycotted, with hundreds of people walking around with signs saying "murderers," "Hitlerites," and so forth.

Now up to that time, not one hair on the head of any Jew had been hurt in Germany. There was no suffering, there was no starvation, there was no murder, there was nothing.

Naturally, the Germans said, "Who are these people to declare a boycott against us and throw all our people out of work, and make our industries come to a standstill? Who are they to do that to us?" They naturally resented it. Certainly they painted swastikas on stores owned by Jews. Why should a German go in and give his money to a storekeeper who was part of a boycott that was going to starve Germany into surrendering to the Jews of the world, who were going to dictate who their premier or chancellor was to be? Well, it was ridiculous.

The boycott continued for some time, but it wasn't until 1938, when a young Jew from Poland walked into the German embassy in Paris and shot a German official, that the Germans really started to get rough with the Jews in Germany. And you found them then breaking windows and having street fights and so forth.

Now I don't like to use the word "anti-Semitism" because it's meaningless, but it means something to you still, so I'll have to use it. The only reason that there was any feeling in Germany against Jews was that they were responsible for World War I and for this world-wide boycott. Ultimately they were also responsible for World War II, because after this thing got out of hand, it was absolutely necessary for the Jews and Germany to lock horns in a war to see which one was going to survive. In the meanwhile, I had lived in Germany, and I knew that the Germans had decided that Europe is going to be Christian or Communist: there is no in between. And the Germans decided they were going to keep it Christian if possible. And they started to re-arm. In November 1933 the United States recognized the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was becoming very powerful, and Germany realized that "Our turn was going to come soon, unless we are strong." The same as we in this country are saying today, "Our turn is going to come soon, unless we are strong." Our government is spending 83 or 84 billion dollars for defense. Defense against whom? Defense against 40,000 little Jews in Moscow that took over Russia, and then, in their devious ways, took over control of many other countries of the world.

For this country now to be on the verge of a Third World War, from which we cannot emerge a victor, is something that staggers my imagination. I know that nuclear bombs are measured in terms of megatons. A megaton is a term used to describe one million tons of TNT. Our nuclear bombs had a capacity of 10 megatons, or 10 million tons of TNT, when they were first developed. Now, the nuclear bombs that are being developed have a capacity of 200 megatons, and God knows how many megatons the nuclear bombs of the Soviet Union have.

What do we face now? If we trigger a world war that may develop into a nuclear war, humanity is finished. Why might such a war take place? It will take place as the curtain goes up on Act 3: Act 1 was World War I, Act 2 was World War II, Act 3 is going to be World War III. The Jews of the world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are determined that they are going to again use the United States to help them permanently retain Palestine as their foothold for their world government. That is just as true as I am standing here. Not alone have I read it, but many here have also read it, and it is known all over the world.

What are we going to do? The life you save may be your son's. Your boys may be on their way to that war tonight; and you don't know it any more than you knew that in 1916 in London the Zionists made a deal with the British War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did you know it at that time? Not a person in the United States knew it. You weren't permitted to know it. Who knew it? President Wilson knew it. Colonel House knew it. Other insiders knew it.

Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I was liaison to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign when President Wilson was elected, and there was talk around the office there. I was "confidential man" to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chairman of the Finance Committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the treasurer. So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the head of the table, and all the others, and I heard them drum into President Wilson's brain the graduated income tax and what has become the Federal Reserve, and I heard them indoctrinate him with the Zionist movement. Justice Brandeis and President Wilson were just as close as the two fingers on this hand. President Woodrow Wilson was just as incompetent when it came to determining what was going on as a newborn baby. That is how they got us into World War I, while we all slept. They sent our boys over there to be slaughtered. For what? So the Jews can have Palestine as their "commonwealth." They've fooled you so much that you don't know whether you're coming or going.

Now any judge, when he charges a jury, says, "Gentlemen, any witness who you find has told a single lie, you can disregard all his testimony." I don't know what state you come from, but in New York state that is the way a judge addresses a jury. If that witness told one lie, disregard his testimony.

What are the facts about the Jews? (I call them Jews to you, because they are known as "Jews". I don't call them Jews myself. I refer to them as "so-called Jews", because I know what they are). The eastern European Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call themselves "Jews", were originally Khazars. They were a warlike tribe who lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike that even the Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern Europe. They set up a large Khazar kingdom of 800,000 square miles. At the time, Russia did not exist, nor did many other European countries. The Khazar kingdom was the biggest country in all Europe -- so big and so powerful that when the other monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000 soldiers. That's how big and powerful they were.

They were phallic worshippers, which is filthy and I do not want to go into the details of that now. But that was their religion, as it was also the religion of many other pagans and barbarians elsewhere in the world. The Khazar king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that he decided to adopt a so-called monotheistic faith -- either Christianity, Islam, or what is known today as Judaism, which is really Talmudism. By spinning a top, and calling out "eeny, meeny, miney, moe," he picked out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion. He sent down to the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of rabbis, and opened up synagogues and schools, and his people became what we call "Jews".

There wasn't one of them who had an ancestor who ever put a toe in the Holy Land. Not only in Old Testament history, but back to the beginning of time. Not one of them! And yet they come to the Christians and ask us to support their armed insurrections in Palestine by saying, "You want to help repatriate God's Chosen People to their Promised Land, their ancestral home, don't you? It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of our boys as your Lord and Savior. You now go to church on Sunday, and you kneel and you worship a Jew, and we're Jews."

But they are pagan Khazars who were converted just the same as the Irish were converted. It is as ridiculous to call them "people of the Holy Land," as it would be to call the 54 million Chinese Moslems "Arabs." Mohammed only died in 620 A.D., and since then 54 million Chinese have accepted Islam as their religious belief. Now imagine, in China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia, from Mecca and Mohammed's birthplace. Imagine if the 54 million Chinese decided to call themselves "Arabs." You would say they were lunatics. Anyone who believes that those 54 million Chinese are Arabs must be crazy. All they did was adopt as a religious faith a belief that had its origin in Mecca, in Arabia. The same as the Irish. When the Irish became Christians, nobody dumped them in the ocean and imported to the Holy Land a new crop of inhabitants. They hadn't become a different people. They were the same people, but they had accepted Christianity as a religious faith.

These Khazars, these pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns, were a Mongoloid race who were forced out of Asia into eastern Europe. Because their king took the Talmudic faith, they had no choice in the matter. Just the same as in Spain: If the king was Catholic, everybody had to be a Catholic. If not, you had to get out of Spain. So the Khazars became what we call today "Jews".

Now imagine how silly it was for the great Christian countries of the world to say, "We're going to use our power and prestige to repatriate God's Chosen People to their ancestral homeland, their Promised Land." Could there be a bigger lie than that? Because they control the newspapers, the magazines, the radio, the television, the book publishing business, and because they have the ministers in the pulpit and the politicians on the soapboxes talking the same language, it is not too surprising that you believe that lie. You'd believe black is white if you heard it often enough. You wouldn't call black black anymore -- you'd start to call black white. And nobody could blame you. That is one of the great lies of history. It is the foundation of all the misery that has befallen the world.

Do you know what Jews do on the Day of Atonement, that you think is so sacred to them? I was one of them. This is not hearsay. I'm not here to be a rabble-rouser. I'm here to give you facts. When, on the Day of Atonement, you walk into a synagogue, you stand up for the very first prayer that you recite. It is the only prayer for which you stand. You repeat three times a short prayer called the Kol Nidre. In that prayer, you enter into an agreement with God Almighty that any oath, vow, or pledge that you may make during the next twelve months shall be null and void. The oath shall not be an oath; the vow shall not be a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. They shall have no force or effect. And further, the Talmud teaches that whenever you take an oath, vow, or pledge, you are to remember the Kol Nidre prayer that you recited on the Day of Atonement, and you are exempted from fulfilling them. How much can you depend on their loyalty? You can depend upon their loyalty as much as the Germans depended upon it in 1916. We are going to suffer the same fate as Germany suffered, and for the same reason.


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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2008, 05:30:18 PM »

Did you all meet our new VP? Slash, Prez if the messiah meets his end prematurely.
He pretty much confirms all of the above in no uncertain terms, if you listen close he almost says conspiracy at one point when he's searching for the right word.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2008, 08:13:55 PM »

The Real Terrorism by Zionists - Doctrine of Judaism and Zionism is a good one that shows the philosophy of Zionism and how they are just as much terrorists as any Arab state.

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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2008, 10:24:03 PM »

The Real Terrorism by Zionists - Doctrine of Judaism and Zionism is a good one that shows the philosophy of Zionism and how they are just as much terrorists as any Arab state.

"Doctrine of Judaism and Zionism"?

According to the three sources I cited at the start of this thread, Zionism is the enemy of Judaism, so isn't that a rather misleading title?
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Well there are some who say there is no difference between Judaism and Zionism, or a Zionist or a Jew because both groups follow the Talmud, the Jews supreme holy book.

There is a small faction of I think it's Hasidic Jews that believe that Zionism is in direct contrast with the holy teachings of the Torah.

Of course I am not an expert on any of this and I could be wrong about this.

I just recommend that video is all.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2008, 02:31:26 AM »

You know, I really want to talk about this, but I'm not sure I want to do it here, lol.

Why not? I'd be very interested in hearing your thoughts.

If we don't exercise with a vengeance our First Amendment rights now, within a year there won't be any place online to talk about this without being censored.
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Why not? I'd be very interested in hearing your thoughts.

If we don't exercise with a vengeance our First Amendment rights now, within a year there won't be any place online to talk about this without being censored.

Because it'll just piss the Christians off and get the thread thrown into the trash heap with the rest of the threads that have deteriorated into "our way is the only way and anyone who doesn't agree with us is a satanist."
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2008, 06:35:36 AM »

Because it'll just piss the Christians off and get the thread thrown into the trash heap with the rest of the threads that have deteriorated into "our way is the only way and anyone who doesn't agree with us is a satanist."

the way this obama camps shaping up, I think the zionists and jewish lobby will get there war with Iran...go ahead phoenix piss the christians off...it makes for good debate.
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There are Jews and Christians who are Zionist, but I think that is because people are tricked by Zionism.  I think most of the Christians on this board are non-Zionist Christians, maybe I'm wrong, but I know I am a Christian against Zionism and the holocaust in the middle east.

The Bible warns us against those who say they are Jews, but are satanic.  I believe most Zionists are satanists trying to disguise themselves as Jews.  Freemasonry and Kabbalah, Jewish mysticism, are satanic at higher levels. Of course not all people of these groups are satanic, but the people at the top certainly are secretly satanic.

My point is that Christians follow the teachings of Jesus, who said to love your neighbor.  True followers of Christ do not support the mass killing of Palestinians and Muslims or the Zionist agenda.  The Muslims believe in Jesus and the Jews don't.  It's the corrupt Jews that killed Jesus!  Don't be afraid to speak out against Zionism.  They are responsible for much suffering in this world.




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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2008, 10:40:41 AM »

Because it'll just piss the Christians off and get the thread thrown into the trash heap with the rest of the threads that have deteriorated into "our way is the only way and anyone who doesn't agree with us is a satanist."

I don't see why it would do that, since few (if any) of the Christians who frequent this forum seem pro-Zionist, but do what you think is best.
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To focus on the neo-zionists is to miss the rest of a very big picture.
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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2008, 11:01:33 AM »

To focus on the neo-zionists is to miss the rest of a very big picture.

I never even implied that Zionism should be our sole focus, just pointing out that, in view of articles such as the following, it would be a critical mistake to overlook or underestimate its overwhelming dominance of U.S. policy:

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I don't see why it would do that, since few (if any) of the Christians who frequent this forum seem pro-Zionist, but do what you think is best.

Because the Bible is their tool, their way to control and dominate "the goyim." The more I've researched, the more I've learned that the Inquisition and the Conquests and all of the religious/holy wars are little more than destruction of all ancient spiritual knowledge... and all of the judaic-based religions have a singular purpose of controlling the goyim and preventing them from gaining genuine spiritual knowledge or growth.

There ae some christians who love to brag that the Bible meets certain numerological special features, and this proves it's of God... and they brag about how the prophecies are supposedly coming true.

However, anyone who has done some research into numerology and into astrology knows that these "predictions" could as easily be made by astrologers as "a prophet," and that numerology is one of the basics of "spells."

The Bible may well be so numerologically precise simply because it may well be a "spell" of sorts designed to deliberately enslave humanity... and it IS a self-perpetuating "spell." Once people are addicted to the lies therein, they, like any other addict, work very hard to bring people "into the fold" and create more addicts.
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I thought I would add the fact that I think Zionism is really just a smoke screen... once people began to realize that a sect of elitist Jews were at the source of some of these problems, they created an obvious group of people to blame it all on and to get people to focus on.
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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2008, 04:05:54 PM »

the way this obama camps shaping up, I think the zionists and jewish lobby will get there war with Iran...go ahead phoenix piss the christians off...it makes for good debate.
not iran............pakistan.

phoenix=   milkdud in the underpants of the forum.
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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2008, 04:17:38 PM »

phoenix=   milkdud in the underpants of the forum.

This thread is about Zionism, so would you please save your personal opinions about this or that poster for another thread?

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2008, 05:07:02 PM »

This thread is about Zionism, so would you please save your personal opinions about this or that poster for another thread?

Thanks in advance.

Obviously, thats why i contributed to this thread with my first couple of posts.

but 'milkdud' crapped on your thread like she does all of em.  never passing on an oppurtunity to try and sidetrack your well intentioned thread with slinging muck at christianity or the bible.

If she wanted to go on a diatribe about biblecodes she could of started her 'own' op.( but you didn't suggest that to her  Huh )

I thought I would add the fact that I think Zionism is really just a smoke screen... once people began to realize that a sect of elitist Jews were at the source of some of these problems, they created an obvious group of people to blame it all on and to get people to focus on.
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Because it'll just piss the Christians off and get the thread thrown into the trash heap with the rest of the threads that have deteriorated into "our way is the only way and anyone who doesn't agree with us is a satanist."


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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2008, 05:56:42 PM »

Are Zionists nothing more than a group of saintly do-gooders trying to promote the general welfare of the Jewish people, as well as protect and defend them from terrorists and racist aggressors?



The "Jews" Arent the bloodlined Israelites. The true Israelites are the 12 tribes of Israelites scattered across the earth.

Read Genesis Chpt. 49

I if the "Jews" are the Holy people why do they need America to back them.

Zionism is a plot to control the world. The true people of Zion aren't even recognized

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Because the Bible is their tool, their way to control and dominate "the goyim." The more I've researched, the more I've learned that the Inquisition and the Conquests and all of the religious/holy wars are little more than destruction of all ancient spiritual knowledge... and all of the judaic-based religions have a singular purpose of controlling the goyim and preventing them from gaining genuine spiritual knowledge or growth.

Act 5:29     Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

I do think you make a good point phoenix and the scriptures are used in the way you describe; however, they also paint a different picture if you read it all in context.
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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2008, 06:06:17 PM »

Obviously, thats why i contributed to this thread with my first couple of posts.

but 'milkdud' crapped on your thread like she does all of em.  never passing on an oppurtunity to try and sidetrack your well intentioned thread with slinging muck at christianity or the bible

No, you crapped on my thread by resorting to childish name-calling, and then, after I politely asked you to stop, resorted to it yet again.

There is a fundamental difference between (a) criticizing or promoting a particular belief system, and (b) personally attacking the individual doing the criticizing or promoting.

If you're unwilling to respect this difference, then I ask again that you please take your ad hominem attacks elsewhere.
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Act 5:29     Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

I do think you make a good point phoenix and the scriptures are used in the way you describe; however, they also paint a different picture if you read it all in context.

Yes, but what if the "God" gives commands that aren't very godly? Consider the fact that the Bible is tremendously supportive of the Jews. Why are Christians so eager and willing to support forcing the "Isreal belongs to the Jews and we'll go to war to help keep things that way"? Because that's a prereq for their "Savior" coming back. The Jews are still "God's chosen people," and if you look at it, the vast majority of the OT is spent in carefully portraying the Isrealites as being superior to others. All these laws and rules so they can claim superiority. All these "god's chosen people" comments so they can claim superiority. All these acts of genocide excused as "instructed by god."

Then the NT suddenly allows anyone who is willing to OBEY the Bible to be elitist and self-important. It suddenly gives a very confusing mix of "love thy neighbor" together with "except those ones over there" and "and remember that poverty is GOOD and even HOLY!" Tucked in there is "obey the law, pay the church a minimum of 10%-- but the more you give, the better you are, especially if it's your last few cents to buy food with."

As a mechanism of control, this is excellent... use a combination of "the moral high ground" together with "but you're just a worthless thing- nothing but human, and incapable of being good without believing the way we tell you to." This is the backbone of the idea "no one is more a slave than the slave that thinks s/he is free." (Terrible paraphrase, I know) Christians pride themselves on their free will, but they are coerced and forced into their belief with threats of hell-- and they try to do this to others.

This point keeps coming back to me over and over again as the defining exposure of the falsehood of the Bible. Threats of hell, combined with claims of free will... threats not only of bodily harm- some might not be convinced by this. Threats not only of death-- some might even welcome that.

No, what is threatened here is your immortal SOUL. ETERNALLY. So if your life is miserable, don't worry, you'll be rewarded later, just be a good servant now and don't make waves. If your life is hell, that's okay, you'll see heaven later. Always later. Always the reminder that life can NOT be good NOW, becaue the world is so horrific, etc.

Always the threat that you must obey or burn.

Talk about your terrorism!

Look at the OT and see how it's a STUDY in how to establish the superiority of one race over another. Then look honestly at Christianity... evidenced in this very thread... the superiority, and the demonization of any who dare speak against the belief.

The Jews are the moral right. The Jews are the chosen ones. The Jews must get the land they covet or no Jesus. The Jews might have made mistakes, oh sure-- but God still protects them. God still bothered himself to move into the Earthly realm and knock down walls on their behalf. God LOVES the Jews, the Jews are better than others. The Jews were the only ones the REAL God showed itself to. The Jews are the ones with the REAL knowledge. The Jews are superior and God is on their side, and if you aren't on their side, you will BURN FOREVER!

So Christians sit waiting for the return of their savior, and in the meantime accept the idea that Jesus was a Jew, and that although the Jews killed him, you aren't really allowed to talk about that, because that's anti-semitism. So instead, we must focus on how the CHOSEN ONES were escorted out into their land, and how it must be restored before the savior of the Goyim can come...

And hey, you never know when that might be, so you had better spend trillions of dollars keeping them there and helping them expand their hegemony.

I've posted it before, but there are so many, many, many parallels between Christianity and the NWO, it's chilling. And consider where it is descended from... Judaism. And what, exactly, does Judaism do? It establishes, quite firmly, the superiority of...

who?
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« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2008, 06:58:08 PM »

I've posted it before, but there are so many, many, many parallels between Christianity and the NWO, it's chilling. And consider where it is descended from... Judaism.

Judaism, however, is not Zionism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPB9ttKvDEA

Judaism is a religion, whereas Zionism is a political ideology (although its adherents often use Judaism as a public relations cover).

Please let's not confuse the two.
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Judaism, however, is not Zionism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPB9ttKvDEA

Judaism is a religion, whereas Zionism is a political ideology (although its adherents often use Judaism as a public relations cover).

Please let's not confuse the two.

I understand that this is what we're supposed to believe, that Zionism is separate from Judaism. However, I reiterate as stated above, that I don't believe it's as separate as we're supposed to think they are. This idea of the now-state of "isreal" has been around a long time, as the "homeland" of the Jews. Yet this whole Zion business is new (relatively speaking from a historical standpoint). We're supposed to separate the "isreal as homeland" ideology from the elist religion that spawned it.

Why?

Because it's really separate, or because it's a convenient scapegoat to point fingers at and remove suspicion from the place it ought to be?

Judaism has ALWAYS taught the superiority of the Jews. The whole basis of the OT/Torah is how the JEWS, and the JEWS ALONE are the Chosen people, and how they have been PROMISED A HOMELAND.

They were always a hegemony.

Now, it's highly likely that the average Jew is no more a part of this zionist/hegemonistic mindset than any of the rest of the average people of the world are knowing collaborators. And if someone in a group I were part of was doing something terrible, I'd want to disown them, too...

But in the same way that our government is an empirialistic hegemony right now, and as much as we might want to disown them but can't... the same thing applies here.
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« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2008, 07:29:36 PM »

I understand that this is what we're supposed to believe, that Zionism is separate from Judaism. However, I reiterate as stated above, that I don't believe it's as separate as we're supposed to think they are. This idea of the now-state of "isreal" has been around a long time, as the "homeland" of the Jews. Yet this whole Zion business is new (relatively speaking from a historical standpoint). We're supposed to separate the "isreal as homeland" ideology from the elist religion that spawned it.

Why?

Because it's really separate, or because it's a convenient scapegoat to point fingers at and remove suspicion from the place it ought to be?

Judaism has ALWAYS taught the superiority of the Jews. The whole basis of the OT/Torah is how the JEWS, and the JEWS ALONE are the Chosen people, and how they have been PROMISED A HOMELAND.

They were always a hegemony.

Now, it's highly likely that the average Jew is no more a part of this zionist/hegemonistic mindset than any of the rest of the average people of the world are knowing collaborators. And if someone in a group I were part of was doing something terrible, I'd want to disown them, too...

But in the same way that our government is an empirialistic hegemony right now, and as much as we might want to disown them but can't... the same thing applies here.

The Jews are NOT the chosen. like I said the are fighting over land that aren't threres. It belongs to the 12 tribes that are purposely unrecognized by the "Jews". look up the true Hebrew Israelites.

look up the origin of the Jews
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I know that Zionism was one of the most Naieve, unrealistic, irresponsible ideas born to man.

I know that that many Jews committed terrorism long before Arabs did, against innocent Arabs, and in my mind, they started that war.


I know that, to my knowledge, Zionism & Israel are not backed by the Christian religion, and as a Christian I feel allegiance to every human as a human....................

And as one will judge them by their fruits, well........Israel to me, is one of the most corrupt, immoral, false nations known to this planet...and at the same time...........Rothschild financed exclusively.

That's all I know.
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The Jews are NOT the chosen. like I said the are fighting over land that aren't threres. It belongs to the 12 tribes that are purposely unrecognized by the "Jews". look up the true Hebrew Israelites.

look up the origin of the Jews

It belongs to the people who were on it before they were slaughtered and pushed off of it to make way for the Isreali state.

Regardless, no one is the "chosen" at all, and the very concept is used to destroy and separate. Not even the christians are "the chosen," nor are the 12 tribes "the chosen," ad nauseum. This elitist mindset is a PROBLEM, no matter who you want to argue are the "real" chosen.

It's all about CONTROL AND OPPRESSION.

When you support any idea of "the chosen," you support their agenda of separation and control.
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It belongs to the people who were on it before they were slaughtered and pushed off of it to make way for the Isreali state.

Regardless, no one is the "chosen" at all, and the very concept is used to destroy and separate. Not even the christians are "the chosen," nor are the 12 tribes "the chosen," ad nauseum. This elitist mindset is a PROBLEM, no matter who you want to argue are the "real" chosen.

It's all about CONTROL AND OPPRESSION.

When you support any idea of "the chosen," you support their agenda of separation and control.

Precisely why I have never seen Christianity as a threat....
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« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2008, 05:36:44 AM »

I understand that this is what we're supposed to believe, that Zionism is separate from Judaism. However, I reiterate as stated above, that I don't believe it's as separate as we're supposed to think they are. This idea of the now-state of "isreal" has been around a long time, as the "homeland" of the Jews. Yet this whole Zion business is new (relatively speaking from a historical standpoint). We're supposed to separate the "isreal as homeland" ideology from the elist religion that spawned it.

Why?

This is why:

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http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/notjews.cfm

Zionists Do Not Represent Jews

From the inception of the Zionist State and particularly in recent times, the impression has been created in the World that there is some connection between the State, which falsely calls itself Israel, and the Jewish people as a whole. Therefore, we who continue to uphold the never-changing tradition of the Jewish people find it proper to again clarify the following points:

* A Jew is one who remains faithful to the laws of the Jewish religion, that is, the Holy Torah and its commandments.

* The Jewish people became a people before they had their own land, and continued to exist as a people also after they went Into exile, because our very people hood is based exclusively on the Torah.

The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people on the condition that they observe the Torah and its commandments. When they failed to do this, their sovereignty over the land was taken from them, and they went into exile. From that time, we are prohibited by the Torah with a very grave prohibition to establish a Jewish independent sovereignty in the Holy Land or anywhere throughout the world. Rather, we are obligated to be loyal to the nations under whose protection we dwell.

This situation has existed for close to 2000 years when the Jewish people were dispersed throughout all corners of the world. During this time, the Jews always remained faithful to the country in which they lived.

* The Jewish people are grateful to all those merciful nations which have allowed them to observe Torah and the commandments undisturbed.

* From ancient times, the relations between the Jewish and Islamic peoples have always been those of peace and brotherhood, and friendship always reigned between them. The proof of this is the fact that for centuries, in all the Arab lands, hundreds of thousands of Jews lived in honor and amidst mutual esteem.

* Jews throughout all generations yearned to grace the sacred soil of the Holy Land and to live there. However, their sole purpose was to fulfill the commandments dependent upon the land and to absorb Its holiness. Never, G-d forbid, did they have any nationalist or sovereign intent whatsoever which, as mentioned above, is forbidden to us. Indeed, also here in the Holy Land, our fathers lived in neighborly harmony with the Palestinian residents of the land, helping one another, to mutual benefit.

* Until about two hundred years ago, the vast majority of Jews observed the Torah and the commandments in entirety. Jewry's leaders were Torah scholars, who directed the people according to the Torah. They were loyal citizens in the host nations where they dwelled and to the local laws. They prayed for the welfare of their respective governments. To our sorrow, at that time a small number of Jews slowly left their observance of Torah and commandments. Together with this, they began to deride the spiritual leadership of their people. This assimilation was the basis upon which, one hundred years ago, the ideology of Zionism was born. Its founders were assimilated Jews who had abandoned the Torah.

* Immediately at the founding of the Zionist movement, masses of Jews under the leadership of their Rabbis, launched a heavy battle against Zionism. Their attack was directed not only at the non-religious Zionist idea, but rather, primarily at its opposition to the Torah-ordained path that Jewry must follow while in exile. As such, the Zionists incited the nations of the world, demanding political sovereignty over the Holy Land while remaining oblivious to the resentment this would arouse In the Palestinian Arabs, the land's veteran inhabitants. As stated, the leaders of Orthodox Jewry vehemently opposed the movement with all force.

* The Zionists refused to heed the voice of the Rabbis and Torah authority. They persisted in their ways until they succeeded in influencing the British government to issue the Balfour Declaration concerning the "establishment of a national home for the Jews in the land of Israel." To our great sorrow, from that point on began the deterioration of the good relations between the Jews and the Arab inhabitants of the land. This occurred because the Arab people understood that the Zionists wished to seize ruler ship from them. In addition, the Arab people had suspicions as if the Jewish people wished to seize control of the Temple Mount and other similar sites. Matters worsened as a result.

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I'm no fan of organized religion either. Nevertheless, it is just as foolish, in my view, to blame traditional Judaism for the creation of Zionism as it is to blame traditional Islam for the creation of al-Qaeda, or traditional Christianity for the Christian Identity movement.

That's not to say that religions don't deserve to be criticized, just that such criticism should be tempered with discernment, lest we make the same sort of sweeping generalizations and fallacies of composition that we so often chide religious folks for making.
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Zionist, Illuminati, Jesuit, Black, White, Mexican, American, European, Republican, Democrat, Liberal, Conservative, NeoCon...

Slaves and Masters.

The slaves are very good at dividing themselves.  Pointing fingers.  Making charges.  All the while supporting the very system that allows a small group of masters to rule over a big group of dumbass slaves. 

I find it interesting that the radical Zionists have gained more support in Israel due to the reaction of other nations and people to Zionist operations.  Subsequent to their political power they can propagandize outside criticism to give their population an "us and them" mentality.  This mentality makes the people more likely to support the fanatical policies of the Zionists.  They love to find ignorant people with misplaced hatred of Jews/Israel to show to their people and say, "See, they still want to kill us.  We need to do what it takes, we must protect Israel."  Michael Hoffman pointed this out on AJ's show.

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« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2008, 08:12:20 AM »

So the only argument, really, is "well, because they want a single hegemony, while we want to be spread throughout the world"?

That's a pretty flimsy argument. Granted, it's easier to infiltrate other countries when you live IN THEM and pretend to be part of them, that's true. But it hardly provides a basis for "so therefor, we obviously have nothing to do with them," and it's pretty much what that argument boils down to. "Because we want to infiltrate every country from within, and they want to take them over from outside."

There's very little difference in that philosophy, the end result is still domination of the goyim.

Have you ever really read one of the rabbinical Torah? Both traditional and Zionist Torah share something in common, and this is where this comes from in Islam, as well... it's perfectly okay to lie to Goyim, because they're not people.
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